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A U.S. flag hangs over stockings left as a memorial for victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, along a fence surrounding the Sandy Hook Cemetery in Newtown, Conn., on Thursday.
A $100 million legal claim filed against the state of Connecticut in the wake of the deadly Newtown elementary school shooting has been withdrawn for now, local media reported Tuesday.
New Haven, Connecticut-based attorney Irving Pinsky said he dropped the claim because he was evaluating new evidence, according to a report on CTPost.com.
Pinsky said he did not rule out further legal action, the report said. He did not respond immediately to Reuters requests to comment on the report.
The attorney filed the claim last week on behalf of an unidentified 6-year-old survivor of the Newtown shooting at a primary school that left 20 children and six adults dead on Dec. 14.
The survivor, referred to as Jill Doe, "has sustained emotional and psychological trauma and injury, the nature and extent of which are yet to be determined," the claim said.
State Attorney General George Jepsen on Monday called the claim misguided and said a public policy response by the U.S. Congress and the Connecticut state legislature would be more appropriate than legal action, according to a spokeswoman.
"Our hearts go out to this family, and to all the children and families affected by the Newtown shootings," Jepsen said in a statement. "They deserve a thoughtful and deliberate examination of the causes of this tragedy and of the appropriate public policy responses."
By law, any claim against the state must be approved by the state claims commissioner before it can move forward. The state attorney general serves as the state's defense attorney.
"The Office of the Claims Commissioner is not the appropriate venue for that important and complex discussion," Jepsen said in his statement.
"Although the investigation is still under way, we are aware of no facts or legal theory under which the state of Connecticut should be liable for causing the harms inflicted at Sandy Hook Elementary School," he said.
According to the claim, the unidentified child heard "cursing, screaming, and shooting" over the school intercom when the gunman, 20-year-old Adam Lanza, opened fire at Sandy Hook Elementary School.
Pinsky's claim said the state Board of Education, Department of Education and education commissioner failed to take appropriate steps to protect children from "foreseeable harm" and had failed to provide a "safe school setting."
Pinsky said last week that he was approached by the child's parents within a week of the shooting.
Lanza shot and killed his mother and killed himself as well, police said. The violence has prompted extensive debate about school security, gun control and the suggestion by the National Rifle Association that schools be patrolled by armed guards.
Lanza’s father, Peter, claimed his son's remains on Thursday, and private arrangements were held over the weekend at an undisclosed location, a spokesman for Peter Lanza said.
NBC News staff contributed to this report by Reuters.
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That's because he knew it was butt stupid and both he and the parents in the suit are jerks.
No money to be made here folks, move along.
Someone turned the heat up in the kitchen and the flames scorched his behind.
Stink-en ambulance chaser should have his license taken away.
IT WAS A PUBLICITY STUNT, the legal community came down hard on him, he was looking at sanctions from the court, put his tail between his legs and ran; in any profession 10% are bum's, 10% are top of the line, 80% run from fair to good.
Parasites feeding off misery?
Must be a voting member of the Party of No and NRA.
he is a registered democrap
@NEVER STOP ASKING QUESTIONS...you're an idiot, spewing garbage from your suckhole at every turn. Shut it dumba##
demon crap ?
TORT REFORM.... won't happen... most Democrats seem to be lawyers but that is exactly what is needed... These cases need to be handled better than this... I'm am so glad this litigation was withdrawn.
When will the Party of No and NRA realize that it is no longer 1850?
Shame on me for asking a non-rhetorical question (members of the Reichwing will need to look up that hyperedumacated, unrefudiated term).
Despicable money grubbing losers. All involved.
class action litigation was pushed by the multi-national corporations for years, finally got passed by Congress, now the same corporations want it repealed;
Tort reform has been agreed to by all the national lawyers associations, has been stopped by the insurance company's;
those States that have passed it have seen a reduction in lawsuits of almost 50%, the lawyer groups in those states are the one's that got it passed.
Medical Malpractice reform passed by almost all States, now the taxpayers insure the medical care providers for any amounts over 100 thousand; medical malpractice insurance is one of the best books of business a insurance company profits on.
@NEVER STOP...shame on you for being just plain idiotic...You are a typical fingerpointing liberal, that hides behind theory over reality, and is too much of a coward to actually face the truths of matters. Typical liberal big mouth, alwaus crying and whining, yet when the real sh## goes down, you'll be looking at us "Reichwings" for protection and to bail your whiney a## out of trouble. Go knit a sweater or start a blog whining abut something else...
Yet morons like you claim the need to kill if you're lawnmower is stolen. The case will be refiled.
R.Scalzo...you referring to me, if so, yes douchebag, you infringe on my property and personal space, you are in grave danger. You're an absolute jackoff with that comment.
You're thirty dollar lawnmower worth killing someone over? Guess you never bothered to look into the massive case law on the subject.
Spoken like someone who (1) hates anyone who doesn't agree with them, and (2) apparently doesn't realize that the majority of personal injury lawyers are democrats.
Biggfly you are a person who should not have a gun because you obviously can not make logical sense and seem to think you can use any excuse to use your gun against someone. People like you are the reason us left wingers feel that there should be some kind of gun control so idiots like you can't get a gun.
Gee Saxon, the web site of the American Tort Reform Association (ATRA), the nation's largest tort reform organization, contains a sample list of their members, and it includes a whole bunch of corporations, especially insurance companies.....and not one single lawyer. What say you?
Wow, the phones must have been ringing off the hooks at the Bar Association after this brainless ambulance chaser tried to pull this stunt! Goof....along with the parents!
The Party of No is a dinosaur party.
Their ideas are bankrupt and ancient...see the last election.
Wonder what scared him off a potential $40 million fee? Musta been something pretty scary. Disbarment? Embarrassment has never been an effective means of discouraging attorneys.
spider; there are several so called tort reform groups, the one you mention is one of the most far out; they want all disputes to be handled out of court with appointed mediators, they are in favor of doing away with all jury trials, and to cap any awards; real tort reform is up front and fair dealing on the issues and claims; and to penalize any party that refuses to negotiate in a fair and reasonable manned; that is what Florida did , and the amount of court filings has dropped over 50%, tort reform is not to due away with all court cases, only to make sure court is a last resort and penalize those that refuse to deal in a fair manner.
Despicable, just despicable!!!!! Sure this kid " was scared" sure this kid heard OTHER PEOPLE BEING KILLED, sure this kid will have "problems" in the future, BUT SO WILL THE REST OF THE NATION! I would like to sue these parents for even thinking of "THEMSELVES" AND NOT THE 26 THAT DIED. If this "family" wants to improve their child's future THEY SHOULD DEMAND PROPER MENTAL HEALTH FACILITIES that would actually treat crazies like Lanza, AND NOW THEIR DAUGHTER, BECAUSE SHE HEARD SOME "CURSE WORDS" OUT THE MOUTH'S OF PEOPLE BEGGING FOR THEIR LIVES!!!!!!!!!!
Minameme...ya sure, thats a logical statement. You know nothing about me douche, people like you perpetrate an action that may have consequence, yet you cry like a baby about the consequence. Typical. I will use guns when reasonable and prudent, absolutely!! Better than sitting in a corner crying about the consequence of my actions like you, or pointing a finger st someone else, or waiting for someone else to help me. Go away now, people like you bore me with your generic, one line rationales of gun rights and such. Run along little man.
Somehow this turned into a political discussion, as most things seem to do these days. Is it even remotely possible for us to agree that there are highly ethical and highly unethical people on both sides of the political coin? That there is both greed and selflessness on either side of the fence? That when children are hurt we all care, regardless of the political leanings of their parents? I can only imagine the terror each and every child and teacher must've felt as they faced Adam Lanza's gun, and I'm sure the survivors bear scars we'd only normally see on the most war-torn soldiers - there's no question the child in the lawsuit was harmed that day, but so were at least 27 other families, including the gunman's. If we don't stop acting like every problem has to be solved with a lynching and that everyone who doesn't agree with us is deserving of hatred and ridicule, our world is going to continue the warp-speed slide down the toilet it's been on for decades now. Throughout these comments I see far more spewing of hatred and unhappiness than kindness and willingness to listen. It makes me feel old and tired and sad for my children and the world they'll inherit some day.
The NRA claims that school shootings can be (at least) reduced by having armed security in schools. The lawsuit is based on the idea that the school (and the school system) did not do enough to make sure the school was secure.
You anti-liberal, anti-Democrat fools seem to be claiming that it is wrong to file a lawsuit for damages when it has been shown that the damage was caused by a lack of security....
How the hell do the people who posted above tie this to the NRA or the democrats?!?!?! You people are freakin' idiots!! This is about some people who are trying to cash in on a tragedy. This has NOTHING to do with politics or the 2nd Amendment. It's ass-backwards thinking like this that creates the problems we have in this country today. Stop reaching for straws and stick to the subject! Or simply go back to your UFO sightings and conspiracy theories and stay off actual news sites.
saxon
IT WAS A PUBLICITY STUNT, the legal community came down hard on him, he was looking at sanctions from the court, put his tail between his legs and ran; in any profession 10% are bum's, 10% are top of the line, 80% run from fair to good.
All except for lawyers...they are ALL scum sucking bottom feeders............
Just who should be blamed for something like this, the Mother she is dead, the father, no money there so these blood sucker go after the state, why not the Gun manufacturer can't go there they did nothing wrong its all about MONEY not justice, the real person to blame is DEAD, what a bunch of idiots.
Sue the NRA and the federal government until they learn to be responsible. Add heavy insurance burdens to the owners of these weapons.
I guess the threat of being disbarred for abuse of process woke this idiot up. There was absolutely no legal theory under which the state or the school district could be held liable for what happened. The shooter had to use a weapon to shoot out the locks on the school doors just to gain entry into the building. There was more than adequate security against threats that could be reasonably anticipated at the school.
And if you go to a restaurant, and one of the cooks poisons your potato, sue the United Potato Growers of America and the State of Idaho until they learn to be responsible.
It's people with your attitude that make sure there is a place in America for scum-sucking ambulance chasers.
There. I fixed it.
If there is any lawsuit ... it should be against the estate of the killer's mother ... she was the one that kept an arsenal of guns in her house while well knowing that her son was unstable!!!!
Adam Lanza was a 20 year old adult. If any lawsuit occurs it would be against HIS estate...not his mothers. Good argument...just your line of logic was a bit off.
So, if someone comes into my home, kills me, steals my guns, and commits a crime with them, MY estate is the one that should be sued? I don't think so. It doesn't matter if it's a family member or not. It doesn't matter if the person lives with me. If MY property is stolen, and used illegally, I can't see where it's my fault.
I have no idea what Adam Lanza's mental condition was. He may not have exhibited any violent tendencies at all. He may have. I don't know. Let me ask this, how many of you could have ever imagined this horrendous deed even being conceived? It's beyond my scope to think that one of my children or grandchildren could even dream up such a horror. I would believe that Lanza's mother NOT once considered her child capable of such a thing.
Put the burden where it belongs--on the criminal. Blaming anyone and everyone doesn't do one thing to fix any problem.
However, back to the article. Ambulance chasing. It would be nice if ambulances had an emergency reverse gear. That way, they could back up so suddenly that they would run over who ever was doing the chasing. Pinsky needs to be examined--closely. He may have serious mental problems that are a real danger to his community. No one is that stupid by choice.
Old joke: What's the difference between a lawyer and a catfish? One is a bottom-dwelling scum sucker; the other is a fish.
If your child engages in, say, vandalism, you can be held civilly liable, and homeowner's policies (for example) will pay claims, acknowledging liability. Adam Lanza lived at home and purportedly Mom planned to seek conservatorship, which--if true--would mean she regarded him as unable to exercise all adult rights. And she not only owned the guns, she actively engaged him in their use. Pretty hard to argue criminal theft as his means of obtaining weapons she let him use.
Legal paper on liability for misuse or unauthorized access to guns. . . http://www.saf.org/journal/14/lock,stockandbarrel.pdf
I think shooting the owner to death while she was sleeping, and then removing the firearms from the house is a pretty good argument for theft. I suppose one could argue inheritance at some point, but that's really pushing the issue.
Was mom granted conservatorship yet? If not, the issue is moot. And since the mom was dead, any conservatorship ended on her last breath. He was a legal adult.
I have taught my grandchildren how to shoot, (and yes, with all the rules, regs, laws, etc. included), but that does not allow them to remove my property from my home without my permission. Again, permission is kind of hard to grant when one has been murdered.
VR - isn't that the truth. You know, 99% of lawyers give the rest a bad name.
Cal me "crazy", but 10 to 1 odds this claim was supported in spirit or directly by the NRA. It had LaPue's stench to it.
I won't call you crazy, but I will call the lawyer and the parents that.
I doubt the NRA was involved in this.
This guy is the kind of lawyer who passes by a wreck and throws his cards out of the window.
And the parents are even worse slugs.
Yes, but the bogus legal claim would have to be based on the assertion that an armed person in the school would have prevented the tragedy which is the NRA's only "solution" to gun violence.
Any one else think "gun violence" is redundant? Violence to something living or a proxy for it is what guns are manufactured for. I have never read of "gun kindness" or "gun humanitarianism", so It would seem gun and violence are one and the same, hence gun violence is redundant.
Kamaaina....stop standing on the bodies of those children to make your pathetic politcal arguments...you are as bad as that reprehensible lawyer. Both of you are bottom feeders.
Kamaaina,
Yes, you are crazy. The NRA would not have wanted the publicity that this stupid lawsuit would have generated, feeding the crazies like you who seem to want to turn every single thread, regardless of content, into an anti-gun forum.
This piece is about a lawyer backing down because the State Attorney General more or less informed the lawyer that the case would not be allowed to go forward as one where the school system and the state were accused of being lax in providing adequate security for students.
To allow such a case would open the door for lawsuits all over the country. However, since the deaths at Newtown, school security all over the country IS an issue and states have to address it or be held accountable. They have to at least show some measure of trying to provide protection.
Heh!
Kamaaina,
You are crazy. I will take those odds. Please send me my check ASAP. I have Christmas bills to pay
screminmimi,
very well said! I'm glad some people actually still have common sense, and don't see a political agenda behind every action that someone takes.
screwminmimi,
"This piece is about a lawyer backing down because the State Attorney General more or less informed the lawyer that the case would not be allowed to go forward as one where the school system and the state were accused of being lax in providing adequate security for students.
To allow such a case would open the door for lawsuits all over the country. However, since the deaths at Newtown, school security all over the country IS an issue and states have to address it or be held accountable. They have to at least show some measure of trying to provide protection."
The connection is a clear one. Placing armed individuals in schools does open the door for lawsuits such as this one by implicating the school as the responsible party for preventing gun violence by those severely disturbed and your neighbors, rather than the manufacturer or gun advocates. The NRA's proposal is a transparent, short term effort to focus prevention efforts away from unbridled gun access in the USA and resulting deaths of innocents.
Kamaaina...absolute idiocracy. Some family and lawyer saw a disgusting way to try and capitalize on tragedy and you find a way to blame NRA, are you really this stupid and deluded. Quit running your suckhole like every other liberal a## about the NRA and this tragedy. Your an absolute embarrassment, go away.
typo***You're
bigfly--seems I struck a nerve here also with the "collapsed by the community" comments which are well-reasoned.
Kamaaina..You dont strike any of my nerves, I just have zero tolerance for stupidity and fingerpointing douchebags like you...go cower in a corner and hope your words bail your a## out of trouble someday, because you clearly are too much of a whiney bit## to actually take real action. Typical...fingerpointer and deluded idiot..
Yep, the NRA did it all by themselves. The Supreme Court didn't have a thing to do with it, nor did Congress.
The NRA passed all those laws as a separate entity of our government bypassing all other branches of the United States government, ignoring checks and balances set forth in the Constitution. None of the laws cheered on by the NRA members ever were championed by members of Congress, ever were voted on by the people you elected to represent you, ever went to the Supreme Court for discourse on the merits.
It was all the special body of our government called the National Rifle Association.
You people don't even know how utterly ignorant you sound with the "blame the NRA" chant. Blame your damned selves. You elected the people who were influenced by the NRA lobby, who, while giving you lip service, carry their own concealed weapons, have armed security for themselves and their children, who wouldn't for one second give up their own handguns while they go to a toilet in a bar in Georgetown.
Kamaaina
"Well reasoned" HA! No one starts out a "well reasoned" post with "call me crazy but...". The fact that you start your post with such a comment shows quite clearly that you were well aware of the fact that your comments were nonsensical.
ga mimi
Apparently you slept through that class in law school where they teach you that affirmative action is not a requirement for criminal negligence.
Kamaaina lets put blame were it belongs, NOT THE GUNS OR GUN MANUFACTURES. 1st it's the criminals that use the guns for violence, Not the law abiding citizens that use them for self defense, hunting, target shooting or for those that just like to collect the guns. 2nd it's the criminals system for allowing plea deals for violent crimes and not enforcing the CURRENT laws we all ready have. Society has made it too damn easy to blame everybody else rather then place the blame were it belongs, on the criminal. Because of this the rest of the law abiding citizens pay for it, no matter what is done, the criminals will get the guns. Without law abiding citizens having guns, we are just prey on the criminals.
biggfly: Might consider anger management while you're working on your vocabulary. What happens when a school guard unwittingly wounds or kills a student, a staff member or another security agent? Won't happen? Try again.
Spending so much time and energy throwing around terms like 'stupid', 'idiocy', 'blcth', 'azz', 'suckhole', 'deluded idiot' and others suggest shortcomings in your reasoning and your literacy. Anger management....
Hi, DB.
Do the same thing we do when police unwittingly wounds or kills a child or adult during a shootout, or a high speed chase. And what is that? Immunity from prosecution.
You throw up "why we can't do this and that" but you have no solutions or ideas to offer in place of your nay says. And "get rid of guns" is asinine as a blue sky solution because the GUNS ARE ALREADY OUT THERE!
That is the absolute undeniable fact that you anti gun rabid drool dripping fang gnashing fools will not face and deal with.
Not an attorney, but I would think it would have to be based on the assertion that the State, County and School would have had to have foreseen the possibility that the school would have been the focus of an attack by a deranged madman determined to break through their heretofore acceptable and adequate security measures of a locked door during school hours.
DB,
Sorry, my above comment makes it look like I was responding to a comment made by you, and I'm sure you know I was not, but was just saying "hello" to you, my friend.
Backcountry,
"Well reasoned" HA! No one starts out a "well reasoned" post with "call me crazy but...". The fact that you start your post with such a comment shows quite clearly that you were well aware of the fact that your comments were nonsensical.
I was satirizing the NRA's "La Pue" comment which waspart of his grand announcement for stopping gun massacres. You must have missed it.
SDN...my comments and vocab are reserved for such people as yourself. Trust that I am a very well educated man, and I save my phrasing and terms for people i feel and prove it is appropriate and fitting for...you namely. Anger management is thrown around by jackoffs like you because you are a coward and a fool. People with strength and will and courage frighten peope like you, youre scared by people with spines, and courage to fight for what is right. Your silly words and vocabulary arent going to save your "azz" when a madman comes at you with a gun or such. But your deluded vision of criminals obeying new laws are not only an absurdity, but also pathetic. Its then hypocrites like yourself look to people such as myself and others like me to save your sorry "azz" from trash that ,on paper and online, you think you can reason with and legislate. Youre a sorry excuse to live in theory and false dreams than reality, but then hypocrisy from liberals knows no bounds. Run along now.
"Jackoffs", "cowards", "fools", "pathetic", "hypocrites"? My "deluded vision of criminals.."? Strange, I just can't seem to find anything implied or expressed in my posts to suggest anything resembling that.
You seem unwilling or unable to respond to what I considered a sufficiently simple question. Very well educated man? My "sorry azz" has managed to travel the world for the past 65 years and the only trouble I've ever had was in this country with babbling ramboettes like yourself.
Reasonable, rational conversation seems to be available to only a few of us, and you've demonstrated ad naseum that you have neither the credentials, nor the temperment to participate. You're crystal ball incited ranting is boorish, at best.
You two are both clowns...you hide behind your pen and paper because you lack guts. Hey rocking moroccan, I belittle imbeciles like you, who spew garbage and pretend you know something. Not Harvard, but I will wager more than you can afford, I have a considerably higher education portfolio than yourelf. Armchair quarterback??spoken exactly like one as yourself, unlike you I have seen the field of play, and competed, both in atheletics and real life. Yep, beat my wife and kids, you caught me...you see a little clown like you hides on the internet because you would never nor consider facing someone as myself. You fail at life, now run along, I have no use for sheep like you. The only beating done would be to a little pathetic coward as you. SDN i refuse to have conversations with weak people like you, you are pathetic. 65 yrs of world travel means zero to me, you still are weak and gutless. You go have ration conversations with other weks people like moroccan or whoever the clown is. Cowards like yourself are so predictable and typical, you want to claim your prowess as intelligent and sophisticated over people like myself, who are both smart, but also strong. I'm sorry you were picked on as children and never got to be picked first. The only babbling done is your failed attempt at trying to seem intelligent and refined. Truth is you are just weak. You only fight with pen and paper because its all you have the guts and courage for. Run along world traveler, your time is up.
biggfly
Huh? LOL
Apparently your higher education didn't include the knowledge that a more impressive portfolio would be "thicker" rather than "higher." That is, unless you meant to say you have more higher education, in which case the word "portfolio" is superfluous. And who told you about my elf?
biggfly, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Never let a good tragedy go to waste, huh, Pinsky?
What a shameful thing to do in the first place - just a scheme to make money from a tragedy.
They lost a child and you call it a ":stunt"? What a moron.
The suits have only just started. there will be over thirty of them. No wonder Cellibrus pulled their funding from the gun companies. They are about to lose their shirt.
Can you READ moron? They didn't lose a child. Their child survived, wasn't even injured. They're suing because their child heard curse words over the intercom and is "emotionally scarred" from it.
I bet the words and gunfire over the intercom were almost as intense as that which you hear at the movies and video games.
Too bad that crap is all over the place.
What really plucks at my heartstrings is the phrase "failed to protect the children." Six educators gave their lives protecting those children. Who knows how many more might have died if they had not stood in defense of their students.
R. Scalzo
They lost a child and you call it a ":stunt"? What a moron.
They didn't lose a child, the child survive the attack unlike 20 others. The filing of this lawsuit is a despicable act, this scum of the earth and the parents are seeking to profit from this horrible tragedy. They were one of the lucky ones whose child survived and they should be thankful for that. Nothing could have stopped Adam Lanza, if they were armed guards at the school, he would have killed them and probably there would be more carnage.
The cowardly parents didn't have the decency or the balls to use their real names. However, the truth always comes out in the end, we will know who they are. Brave teachers and administrators gave their lives to save many children. One of the teachers was found clutching some of her students, those are the real heroes and no amount of money will bring them back or erase the trauma. I really hope this lawyer is disbarred or doesn't get any client for as long as he lives.
Must have had a problem with his percentage. Greed in its ugliest form.
And so I said to myself 'hmmm... 35% of $100 million - not bad! I'll do it!'
Maybe you should have asked yourself, 'is this sleazy, or what?'
These parents are a$$holes. I'm very sorry their child had to live through such a horrible ordeal, no one should have to.
But it comes off just a tad insensitive to ask for a ridiculously huge sum of money when your kid is alive and twenty others aren't, don't you think?
Makes me sick.
ditto,jax
Pinsky should first explain his action to the members of his synagogue.
Yeah, don't think they will be too happy about him withdrawing the suit. Probably revoke his rights of being jewish.
The people of Newtown would ultimately pay for the settlement. They've been through enough.
I posted here the day after the shooting that this would happen. And here it is. The child heard "screaming, cursing, and shooting" OVER THE INTERCOM. This means the child wasn't even near the shooting. Opportunity knocks, and this was an attempted payday.
We got dead children. And now we have slime.
It's going to be OK. Money gonna fix it and make it all better.
I suspect he filed for such an obscene amount expecting a healthy settlement. The state and/or district are no doubt insured and those wimps settle over the most outrageous things rather than fight for the principle of a thing.
Not today - with the economy the way it is, most state governments don't have enough to provide the services they are mandated to provide, much less payout for lawsuits. I doubt Connecticut has the deep pockets some people might believe. Even if they did, this kid's trauma is not worth 100 million - everyone in that building was terrified and traumatized.
parents need to be tarred and feathered.
Folks, the parents and attorney would base their claim on exactly what the NRA, as the leading gun advocacy organization, proposed to keep kids safe--an armed person ion every school. So why is the harsh criticism (which I agree with) just for the parents and attorney and not the NRA?
Because Kamaaina your attack on the NRA based on your fantasy of a legal theory is preposterous. There is no evidence that the NRA was involved in this lawsuit. No evidence in fact that it was nothing more than ambulance chasing by a sleazeball attorney. Stop making stuff up.
Well Joe, I am sure the attorney follows the news and relished the NRA's grand announcement. There is enough published to indicate the attorneys position would be the school did not take enough precautions. The only one not taken was not having an armed person somewhere in the school, though we do not even know that for a fact.
Talk about fantasies, a lone gunman in a school protecting against an assault weapon arsenal! Well, Columbine had an armed guard--didn't work.
Kamaaina.
You don't even have a clue as to what a true assault weapon is.
Maybe a handful are owned under heavy license legally in the US.
The NRA is involved because they provide the unnecesary weapons to sick people with out SCREENING y, pistols are for self defense, automatic weapons NO ! but no any politicians challenge the NRA idder the politicians they afraid from them, shame !
I found it odd that with all the mass shootings that the NRA suddenly steps up and denounces the murders of these little children, tells US how to protect them, why we, as parents, teachers, etc. have failed. What about the movie theater, what about the Oregon mall - they didn't say anything then!!!
This is damage control by the NRA to protect "their" rights under the 2nd Amendment. I'm all for Constitutional rights but am getting pretty tired of groups like the NRA, the ACLU et al using the Constitution for their personal agenda - they consistently twist & turn the words, meanings to suit their causes.
So far, the NRA has blamed the school systems (yet we don't know where nut jobs are going to strike), the mental health system (most people are 'normal', never had an issue and then snap), video games (that's for the parents who buy them for kids to young to understand) and on and on.
Police details at every school in the US??? Is the NRA going to pick up the tab? The school was LOCKED - he (I refuse to mention his name, give him any more celebrity) shot his way in.
My city (pop. 80,000) is a nice suburb, small crime but has had a cop on detail at the high schools (2 of them) for close to 30 yrs. Our elementary, middle schools have had buzzers on the doors for years - no one is allowed to wander the halls, no one can take a child from the school unless there is an "approved" list and even then, a parent/guardian is called to verify any removal of a kid.
So, if you want to go duck hunting, get your license, training, a BCI up to and including any calls to your home for a domestic dispute, any treatment/prescription for a "mental" problem (sorry, but let's twist the laws to protect everyone - screw the "privacy" issues!), the license, training, BCI have to be renewed yearly and you get the appropriate gun to shoot a duck, a moose, a deer - you DON'T have the need for an AK47 or you'll end up with shredded meat!!!
Sorry - but if the NRA wants to twist the 2nd Amendment around, we want our rights to live peacefully, quietly and without fear of harm. It works both ways.
Baco78; Were you born an idiot OR did your mother drop you on your head repeatedly as a child?
1. The FEDERAL GOVERNMENT controls who is able to purchase firearms
2. The NRA is NOT in the weapons manufacturing business.
3. A citizen CANNOT buy an AUTOMATIC weapon without an extensive background check by the FBI and then paying a $200 tax.
Note: You show your complete ignorance of ANYTHING to do with firearms and the laws governing them.
4. The NRA advocates for the 2nd Amendment RIGHTS of ALL firearm owners and YES they list those that oppose the 2nd Amendment and the CONSTITUTION of the USA.
Give it up. Every gun shop advertised the semi-auto variants as "assault weapons". The definition has changed years ago.
Seems this shop didn't get your memo..
http://www.gunnersden.com/index.htm.assault-weapons-for-sale.html
Lesmax; You are another liberal idiot without a clue about the 2nd Amendment and WHY it is IN the COnstitution. The first TEN AMENDMENTS are NOT about rights "granted" by a government; They ARE about GOD GIVEN rights that EVERY citizen has.
The NRA and many others blame stupid liberals like you for the proliferation of so-called "Gun Free Zones" that invite ANY mass murdered to come and shoot up the place because he'll have a bunch of helpless targets cowering in corners and NO ONE to oppose him until the police arrive.
You NEED to learn how many times a citizen with the right to carry a concealed weapon has stopped or prevented a robbery or killing; I can tell you it numbers in the millions.
Now back to your "Dick and Jane" reader and liberal indoctrination papers.
Kamaaina
And I'm sure you believe any sort of BS that supports your preconceived gripes regardless of how utterly ridiculous they are. My proof is every post you've made on this topic, where's yours?
Kama is just one of the many who think that the NRA and FAUX News are the two branches of government.
Hilarious.
Colonialgirl - Got news for ya - I'm not a liberal !!! I'll take the time to explain to you how wrong you are by your comment to Baco78 -
1. The Feds THINK they control who has firearms
2. While the NRA may not be in the business of manufacturing firearms, I'd like to see how many have invested $$$ via their 401Ks, etc. in the firearms business!!
3. Outright wrong - anybody can get hold of, buy a gun illegally. Read the paper. Every time I read of a shooting in my area, the gun(s) used were illegally obtained. There's a huge black market for guns and I'm willing to bet they far outnumber those legally obtained, registered and licensed. They're coming into this country by the boatload and you'd better wake up and face the reality of that !!!!
The laws, the Constitution and anything else you want to throw at me mean nothing. I'm giving you real facts. I'd give you numbers, where to find them, how many the police have collected in my capital city this year alone and even have a goal set to get these guns off the streets (so far, higher this year than last) but it would give my location.
So, I'm throwing your "laws" to the wind. These shootings, whether they are mass shootings or on one individual, are being done for illegal purposes by people who abide by no laws, rules, Constitution and they far outnumber any 'legally' obtained guns. They have one rule - the rule of the street. Go to any crummy section of any town and you can exchange a few bucks for a gun.
Was the Newtown case different? We don't know. All we know is the guns themselves were legally obtained by the mother. Did that man have a license? Doubt it.
Spout all the laws, rules, amendments you like - I try to live within them but there are people out there for whom these mean absolutely nothing. That's the sad reality.
If you need a gun to eat, to kill a rattlesnake or bear about to attack, go for it. We go to war, get a gun. Your rights are protected via the 2nd Amendment. I'll learn to shoot and stand right beside you, help protect you. Otherwise, stop twisting the words around in order to justify guns. Police officers need guns, the military need guns. Live in the wild, you need a gun. Diss someone's girlfriend? Use your fists like a man, stop hiding behind a gun. Target practice? Get a hobby - better yet, as I cringe when I read blogs, go back and take an English grammar course!!
Your points are valid but look around - they're not "real", they don't work in today's world. The amendment was written in times when life was far different, when the population wouldn't fill a state now, people didn't live next to each other, needed protection from the wilds and yes, always a bad guy!, shot their dinner, was at war with England. Time to amp-up the 2nd Amendment to reflect the times but amp-up the laws as well. We shouldn't have to live in fear, we shouldn't have to have armed guards & bars on our schools, workplaces, or any other place where there's a gathering of people. We shouldn't have to look over our shoulders, be wary of anyone we don't know nor live behind locked doors. It's violating my freedoms, my rights, to live a peaceful existence.
This was not the reason for the 2nd amendment -
lesmax -
"The laws, the Constitution and anything else you want to throw at me mean nothing."
Scary comment, but thanks to the 1st amendment, you have the right to braodcast it.
lesmax
So the laws and Constitution mean nothing because they are being violated anyway but you solution is to "amp them up"??? So did you just lose your train of thought half way through your rant or do you ever make any sense?
he saw the light and crawled back into his hole. isn't that what vampires do?
Not unlike the "cursing, screaming, and shooting" that is heard every day on the TV?
Or in the grocery store, sidewalk, on the talk radio, etc.
Hollywood culture another free beast in our society
Lawyers like this disgust me.
Well, I hope this a$$-hat and his idiot clients doesn't file another frivolous lawsuit.
Shame on the parents and lawyers. Why sue the state? They should be suing the shooter. Good luck getting your $100 million.
Rollie - Sleazeball lawyer 101 - sue people who have money and are alive...
Why doesn't he sue the manufacturer of the Bushmaster and the high capacity magazine? Go after the real culprits!
Because they aren't the real culprits. There is one and only one culprit here - the guy holding the gun.
The only 'real culprit' here was the shooter. Lets place the blame where it belongs and stop using this tragedy to try and further your own agenda.
I am curious, with your kind of thinking where does the responsiblity end? Chasing the symptom only leads to rich lawyers. The culprit is Lanza.
I'm still trying to figure out how he used a bushmaster ar-15 when two report's I read stated that it was found in the back seat of he car. He killed himself inside the school when the cop where entering the shcool. So how could he of used the weapon. The two handguns and a few magazine's for those would have done the same job for sure. This sound's as it's a cover up in order to get a ban!
I agree with DrRiverSong on this subject oh I like Dr. Who also
Not chasing the symptom results in twenty dead children.
You may as well try to sue a toaster manufacturer for sticking a fork in one.
They all have disclaimers and we ALL know what things are used for.
You will not get a lawsuit two inches ahead against gun manufacturers, magazine or ammo manufacturers.
The man was a loon, and you could go after his parents at best.
One is dead.
The NRA is to Big to sawllow for this attorney, NOBODY challenge this bastard company
The NRA wasn't named in the suit. The city was named.
@del...123 - you're clearly reading the OLD reports that were released the day of or only a couple days after the shooting.
It's been determined through autopsy that all of the victims were killed by a rifle.
@John N
Perhaps we should go after alcohol manufacturers for supplying the tools for drunk driving and binge drinking, the fast food and junk food industry for providing the tools for obesity, the auto manufactures for providing the tools that allow one to exceed the speed limit, etc, etc.
This killer pre-planned this, just like the Aurora, Oregon and AZ killers. They didn't work with the gun manufacturers to plan this. Magazine capacity limits and bans on cosmetic features that make a rifle look like a bad-ass military weapon will not stop nut jobs like these "people".
I have little doubt that before it's all over, all of the manufacturers of the weapons, magazines and ammunition will be sued and I wouldn't be surprised if the manufacturer of the car he drove to the school gets sued too.
But just like the car, the weapons aren't the issue. There are no safety aspects of these products that caused this. Any of these products can kill or injure if used improperly. The cars, the guns, the ammo and magazines are all used quite safely without killing or hurting anyone by the enormously vast majority of the people who own and use them.
The manufacturers here are no more at fault than the manufacturer of a heavy cast iron frying pan that falls off a high shelf striking someone in the head and killing them.
But civil suits can avoid strict legal interpretations of laws and regulations. And occasionally someone wins one of these. This was not a case of the weapons accidentally firing. There is no doubt this was a deliberate act by the perpetrator, not what he used that day. Maybe Lanza's family can sue the police because had they not arrived, he may not have killed himself that day, so therefore they are complicit in his wrongful death. A reasonable conclusion, but just as innapropriate a lawsuit.
These type lawsuits are simply wrong and shouldn't be allowed. I have no doubt this young survivor was traumatized by the events that day. So were a bunch of us who saw the reports and read the accounts, albeit to a lessor degree.
But who is to blame and does financial compensation somehow fix that? If they wanted to sue the estate of Mr. Lanza, I would have no issue with that, but I think it is safe to assume, they don't get much money from that. I do believe the school district and to a lessor extent, the State, does have some responsibility here. I am reasonably certain they will take some measures to see that survivors get appropriate treatment. And I wouldn't doubt the families of the victims probably receive some compensation either from the school system or possibly some insurance company. If anything, the school system has some degree of liability here to a higher degree than does the weapons manufacturers. As for the general public who may have been somewhat traumatized, do we have someone to hold liable? Is the media to blame? I doubt it because we had a choice as to whether or not to expose ourselves to it.
I am very much on the left and I don't recall every agreeing with JoeMike before, but he is correct in this case. Personally, I support the freedom to own guns within the confines of "reasonable" regulation. Reasonable regulation implies that it works well for the large vast majority and doesn't unnecessarily restrict a law abiding citizens' rights. If you weigh the statistics on guns and gun ownership, the current regulations are at least reasonable if not excessive. Mr. Lanza violated the regulations when he took possession of the first gun and killed his mother. He went on to violate numerous laws multiple times.
I see the right to own these weapons as a personal right, not so different than the right of a woman to choose what to do with her body or the right of gays to marry who they choose, or the rights of minorities to not be discriminated against. These are individual rights and freedoms. But unfortunately freedom sometimes has a cost when some individual choose to do horrible things directed against others. We can't achieve the absolute prevention of such things without infringing upon everybody's freedoms. Should every human being spend there entire lives contained within a cage so that they can not hurt others? No I don't think that would be acceptable.
Mr. Lanza was a free individual who abused his freedom. He may or may not have previously exhibited some behavior which would suggest that reasonable regulation might have appropriately restricted some of his freedoms. I'm not sure that we know that, nor am I even confident that the appropriate restrictions on his freedoms would have prevented this tragedy. I don't believe anything suggests that he should have been locked up in a cage. But effectively, that may have been the only such restriction that would definitely have worked. But then to do so would have likely have violated his individual rights.
The point is that the individual, Mr. Lanza is/was the culprit responsible for this tragic event. Not the weapons, not the school and not the victims of the survivors. The very fact that we have freedoms in this country means that occasionally we will have someone exploit their freedom to such an extreme degree. It isn't the freedoms that are the problem, it is the occasional individual like Mr. Lanza. We should not focus on restricting freedoms but instead focus on how we help people like Mr. Lanza so that he doesn't make such horrible decisions.
I'm still puzzled by a "pseudo-assault" could be used "properly" in civilian life.
Why doesn't someone sue the NRA for insisting that semi-automatic weapons are recreational and a "right" of the American people? There is no valid reason those weapons should be in public possession!
Would you please explain to everyone what laws the NRA are violating by insisting that semi-automatic weapons are recreational and a "right" of the American people?
Alice Keppel
Do you even understand what a semi-automatic is?
Again, Alice.... the only one to blame here was the shooter. Why are you dragging your own agenda into this? Rather vulture like behaviour isn't it....to use the deaths of innocents as a platform for your personal beliefs? You and the lawyer have a lot in common.....
The Hell is fill with attorneys...
Alice,
You are not going to win this argument. Almost all guns are semi-autos today. And the "right" you note is exactly what it is....a right to bear arms(granted not semi-auto), written in our constitution. When are you going to understand. You cannot stop putting these semi autos in people's hands because there are millions of them out there now. Wouldn't be fair fight if a thug came at you with one of the millions of semi autos and you only had a gun you had to reload for every single shot now would it.
The NRA is violating the law that says twenty six and seven year-olds should be allowed to grow up.
Urmana,
You are asking a nation to be at risk for further massacres with millions of stolen weapons circulating for your fantasies of a "fair fight" with a thug?
You are asking your children, parents, friends, wife/husband or girlfriend to be at risk because of your "need" for a gun as a binky" By far the leading cause of death with legal weapons is someone you know or suicide .
We're always blaming the shooter and yet we continue to let him shoot. Take away what he's shooting with and he can't shoot. Simple and logical!
Exactly !
Alice Keppel
Out of curiosity what valid reason is there for people to posses alcohol? What valid reason is there for cars that can exceed the speed limit? Are you actually suggesting we make a list of all of the "invalid" things people do or use and then ban all of those things? Or do you just want to do away with the thing that YOU personally won't be affected by?
How about portable nail guns that construction workers use? Those are just as deadly as guns at the range this mentally sick person was shooting from. What about baseball bats? Knives? This idiot was at close range. Without the shooter, the guns don't shoot. How's that for simple logic? Quit blaming the guns. The real problem lies in the inability of parents to raise their children to respect life and love others. Take responsibility for their actions. Instead, as a society, we have determined that it is better to make excuses for our criminal family members. Prosecute stronger, penalize tougher. Parole is not an option. Criminals in jail should not be allowed any priviliges. They gave any "rights" up when they commiitted a crime.
The gun was just a tool the murderer used. Its a good thing he didn't just pack a car full of gas cans or propane cylinders and ram into a bus head-on. How many would die from that? More than 20 I bet. Would we cry ban cars, or buses, or portable gas cans Sad reality is evil exists and our news media and Hollywood sensationalize it.
I have used many semi-auto guns for target shooting without having any impact on other's ability to pursue life, liberty and happiness. Unless you consider you being unhappy that I enjoy shooting sports as a hobby.
The VAST majority are in the hands of responsible owners. But a fraction of one percent that misuse them make the news. That's a fact in any area.
The problem was the parent didn't take the necessary precautions to secure those firearms from a son she knew had serious issues.
Here's one more example of why public esteem for trial lawyers is on the same level as drug pushers, politicians, and child molesters.
Don't forget gun-lovers!
And gun grabbers!
Don't forget carp.
The parents are as soul-less and greedy as the ambulance chaser. I'm betting they will be
relocating soon. Even if we don't know who this kid is, you can bet the Newtown people
do. Shame on the parents and ambulance chaser for wanting to profit from this horrible incident.
The truth always comes out, they probably told a relative who will tell others. There is always one or two people who will try to make money out of tragedies, one already got caught and will probably do jail time. I don't think these parents are done yet, I think they will try to find others way to get money out of this horrible tragedy.
I was asked for donations "to help the victims of Newtown" I didn't give anything because this happened in an affluent community and I'm sure all these parents had money to bury their children. Also as a mother, I really would be insulted if someone gave me donations of money because my child was killed by a mentally ill person. It is different if the parents are poor and cannot afford the funeral, in that case I would have certainly made a donation.
As a father, I expect the parents are far beyond shell-shocked, and this bipedal maggot took full advantage. It is the right thing to do.....really.......has nothing to do with the money. It was the fault of those that allowed your child to be so traumatized - never mind they lost their lives attempting to prevent this. My fee will be 40% of the take......uh, settlement.
As a relative of one of the deceased, who is a police officer so aptly stated - he lives in a state that has one of the most stringent guns laws on the books - yet the weapons are there. They (his state) just created a black market for them. I am not a gun fan - I don't own one and if I did, it certainly would not be an assault weapon. All I am saying is, like prohibition, you can't stop what someone is set out to do and if that is to own an assault weapon, they will find it. I don't think these weapons should be for sale to anyone and everyone that walks in the gun store and wants one, either. I am just saying, if you think banning them will stop it, you are living in a dream world.
And if you due NOTHING also is DREAMING, ok ?
But he didn't get the rifle on the black market, it was legally purchased by his mother who legally taught her mentally unstable son to use it. Had she not legally kept this and other weapons easily accessible in her home this wouldn't have happened.
Leanne Excellent logic. However, gun-lovers are not interested in logic. They are fueled by the fear and paranoia that the government is coming to get them and that they will be saved as long as they are armed. They live in "Red Dawn" land. Sorry gun-lovers, it's not 1776 anymore!
Leanne,
you are right. His MOTHER legally purchased them and did not keep them from her mentally unstable son. Most gun owners have gun safes that their weapons are kept in. For this reason. This mentally unstable person was going to kill people no matter what. Gun, knife, pipe bomb, bat or a big stick.
Blah, Blah, Blah, Hang. And yet it continues to happen!
An AR-15 is NOT an assault weapon.
You people need to stop reading the news so much and learn a little on weapons.
Really.
Correct. so treat the real problem. I don't disagree that there is a problem in this country but it is not with gun control. We continue to take God out of everything that this country was founded upon. We say that we don't need Him or His rules and guidelines. Please tell me how this lawyer and those parents were using the "Golden Rule" when they filed this lawsuit.
Viewer, another gun-lover that wants to split hairs about assault weapons. To those twenty children at Sandy Hook they were assault weapons.
To those 20 kids, any gun would be an assault weapon. So would knives, bats, explosives, a car speeding through a packed playground. The focus needs to be on the person committing the act, not the tool. There were about 80 million firearms owners in possession of an estimated 300 million guns that did not kill any children than day.
Dealers themselves bill them as just that. Putting a name on them doesn't change the issue.
http://www.proguns.com/assaultrifles.asp
This dealer advertises them as such. So saying they "aren't" is useless. Call them whatever you want to. what's the difference? The issue is that they were left unsecured when a unsuitable people obtained control of them. Go back to square one and blame the parent who failed to know what her own child was capable of doing. So maybe now more will take the steps to secure their firearms and prevent something like this. Regardless, you will never stop them all.
Really???? Religion was going to stop this?? Keeping the firearms away from a mentally ill individual is a religious responsibility?
So, he killed his mother to get the weapons. Nowhere have I seen that she made the guns easily accessable.
Think you could keep a determined twenty-year-old out of a gun safe if he had all the time in the world?
But, let us hold the manufacturer responsible by all means. (Oh, and that is NOT the NRA.)
(Anti-gunnutz logic.)
smalltown: "There were about 80 million firearms owners in possession of an estimated 300 million guns that did not kill any children than day. Unfortunately, that's not quite the case.
This bastard attorney and his "clients" show their THRU COLORS, Vultures tray to "made profit" from the Dead childrens and teacher, SHAME IN THEM ! so they want the money from everybody in the small Town for his pockets eh ?
The Bushmaster company also made a profit on dead children.
NO. Bushmaster made a profit on Lanza's mother. Using your logic then the US government makes a profit of killing children in foreign countries as well. Those dots don't connect. try again.
No, Hang, not the government, but the military-industrial complex made a profit from dead children. Remember Ike warned us about them. We should have headed that warning.
And Jesus warned us about not believing in Him or His laws. Society continues to do so and further into Hell this country falls. Maybe He is the first person/God that we should be heading a warning from.
Following more of your logic, then McDonalds, Burger King, Taco Bell, Steak Restaurants, Hershey, M & M Mars Inc., and any other food company is profiting off of dead children as well. Our choices are what dictates, not what companies produce. Lack of demand will control supply. Simple economics. There is a demand for guns because evil exists. Not the other way around.
So then the idiots from the Westboro Baptist Church should be followed? Not likely. You wast to follow religion? Fine. This country was founded on those freedoms. Don't expect everyone else to do the same. I don't need a church to tell me right from wrong.
Hang. When in doubt play the old Jesus, "God's will" card. Lame!
The school and people should sue NRA and thee gun manufacturers for $1B.
For what? How did the NRA have anything to do with what happened in Newtown? A nutjob took his mothers LEGALLY purchased and licensed guns and shot up a classroom. How does the NRA bear any responsibility?
The NRA has been lobbying, threatening congressman with defeat and contributing a great deal of money to prevent the sake gun laws enjoyed by all other developed Nations. Yes, the NRA is to blame and seems a domestic terrorist organization.
Lobby = BRIBE, and this is ILLEGAL the politicians change the word and made OK, understand ?
If it were ILLEGAL to purchase those weapons this would not have happened!
The fact the mother who owned them did nothing to prevent the son from getting access to them. That's the crime. This wasn't a criminal using them but legally purchased firearms not secured.
These mass shooting killers are not members of the NRA. To carry out their acts, they broke many laws. Do you really think making the guns illegal would fix the problem. Go read some history about Prohibition. See how effective that was...it backfired and created a huge underground of crime (mob) and associated violence/death.
You do realize that the NRA is one of the main bodies that provide firearm safety training? Even if all guns except single shot type were banned and confiscated, the NRA would still have a valuable role in gun safety.
Don't generalize and refer to NRA people as some sort of terrorist that wants to kill people. I could probably find some product or hobby of yours that can be misused to hurt people. Does that make you or the industry evil and responsible? Do you drink alcohol? Eat junk food? Eat fast food? Drive in a car that can exceed the posted speed limit? Where does one stop the fingerpointing and urge to ban things that some people might not like?
The NRA bears responsibility on the violence that is sweeping country. They lobby for the gun industry and use their money to buy politicians so these idiotic laws stay on the books and new gun laws are defeated in the House and Congress. They used the Constitution to justify a civilian owing an assault rifle or a high powered weapon. We are not in a war, why does the average person need an assault weapon? If you want to protect your home, I think a simple hand gun or stun gun would be more than enough.
Scalzo -
How do you know that the mother hadn't secured the guns? It is highly likely that she died trying to prevent them falling into her son's hands.
time to sue god for not protecting the children
I think the parents heard all the critics and decided to pull out to save face, the attorney didnt file this suit on his own, took someone to initiate it!
Ask to the Newton Town to DEPORTED this bastards !
If this was the parents' decision then they must be extremely embarrassed as to what they tried to do. Shame on them. Friends have not doubt been lost.
Good possibility.
I agree, the lawyer would have never pulled out on his own, he was expecting a quick settlement which will probably happen because the state would not have gone to court, it just costs too much money. The parents finally figured out how much damage this whole thing would do to them and their children and they knew that if their names became public, they would have to live under a rock where they belong for the rest of their lives. They actually would be victimizing their child all over again for the sake of making money.
The state should sue the idiot lawyer.
Amen to that!
This lawyer AND his clients are slugs. Too bad their child wasn't killed. Then they'd have something to complain about.
You guys know why a lawyer wears a tie, don't you? So his foreskin does not slip up over his face and suffocate him.
sue god for not protecting the kids
All these people want is MONEY. What about the families that lost love ones; all they want is their children back. Maybe the parents of this little 6yr old should step up to the plate and talk to their child. Gee, what an interesting idea. But no, money is all they want...