A newspaper in New York's Lower Hudson Valley that was besieged by criticism for publishing the names of local gun owners in December now reportedly has hired armed guards because of safety concerns.
After the Dec. 14 shootings at a Newtown, Conn., elementary school shooting left 20 children and six adult staffers dead, The Journal News published the names and addresses of licensed gun owners across New York's Westchester and Rockland counties. The information was publicly available — something anyone can access through a Freedom of Information Act request. But the newspaper's move to post an interactive map with the data online brought a heated reaction.
The Journal News has hired armed security guards for its Rockland County headquarters in West Nyack, N.Y. through at least Wednesday, according to the Rockland County Times.
The Times cited local police reports that stated a Journal News editor was concerned by the amount of "negative correspondence" the paper's office received. But the hired security firm told Clarkstown, N.Y., police last Friday that there had been no problems at the newspaper's headquarters, the Journal News reported.
Following the outrage, the newspaper had defended its publication of the gun owners names.
"We felt sharing information about gun permits in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shootings," Janet Hasson, president and publisher of The Journal News Media Group, told Reuters.
Related: Newtown school shooting reignites gun control debate
New York newspaper The Journal News is responding to massive criticism after publishing the addresses of gun permit owners in two counties. The information published in the article isn't anything secret, but the data spread like wildfire on social media, sparking thousands of angry complaints. NBC's Katy Tur explains how and why the newspaper created the map that's sparking so much outrage.
The Journal News wasn't able to obtain the amount of guns or types of guns in these households across the two counties — just the names and addresses.
The Journal News had also requested information for pistol permit holders in Putnam County, N.Y., but county officials denied the request, Reuters reported.
"There is the rule of law, and there is right and wrong, and the Journal News is clearly wrong," Putnam County Clerk Dennis Sant told Reuters in a statement. "I could not live with myself if one Putnam pistol permit holder was put in harm's way, for the sole purpose of selling newspapers."
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The Journal News' Hasson told Reuters in a statement Tuesday that they are "troubled" with the county's move: "We believe the law is clear that this is public information and the residents of Putnam County are entitled to see it."
The Journal News reportedly has taken an editorial position in favor of strict gun control, according to the Rockland County Times. The Journal News Media Group, owned by Gannett, serves New York's Westchester, Rockland and Putnam counties. The region is just north of New York City.
According to Reuters, Republican New York state Sen. Greg Ball wants to introduce legislation that would keep permit information private with exceptions for prosecutors and police. When Ball was a state assemblyman, he introduced a similar bill that failed, Reuters reported.
NBC's Katy Tur and Reuters contributed to this story.
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I just hope the first person that has their home broken into sues the paper. Talk about making it easy for anyone to know where the goods are to steal, this paper just did it.
I'd be less inclined to break into a house where I knew they had guns.
It's the number one stolen item where I live. Easy to resell, I guess. They just watch and wait until nobody is home, and then in they go.
They actually announced which houses don't have guns, so if your name is not on that list, you might want to get one...and a big dog. Criminals loooove houses with no chance of a gun being there.
Well, not exactly. As I understand it, people need a permit for a handgun, but permits are not required to own a long gun. So an unknown percentage of those houses without handgun permits will have a rifle or shotgun. It's up to the bad guys to guess which ones.
Well Janet smart-ass, you are wrong. This is none of your business and only underlines the cheap reporting crap you are involved in. News my arss!
If a gun was your only line of defense, you were screwed anyway. If you live in a high-crime area, an alarm system at minimum would be a big deterent to a criminal. As mentioned, a dog is not a bad idea either - German Shepherds are smart, loyal, and family friendly, but will fight to the death to save their owner. The last thing you want to hear when sneaking into the window is a big, deep "WOOF!" followed by an angry growl. Hope the owner is home so they can call their dog off, or you will probably die.
A gun is more of a reason to break into a house than a deterant therefrom. Then again, all of this is public record anyway...if they want to know whether a house has a gun, it wasn't that hard to find out on their own.
I cannot wait until the national gun nut map comes out for Google Earth. due out for web publication any day we can now know where the gun owners are all around the country and we can stay away from these people. according to national crime statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a gun in your home. we publish a map of dangerous people in our neighborhoods so that we can stay away from them. Gun owners are now included. if you don't like it too bad. This is the United States of America we have where freedom of speech, at least for now.
Yes Ben, please have all of your liberal ilk, the welfare collectors/union thugs/drug dealers/pimps/hos/most criminals/etc... you know, those who make up a large base of the liberal left, stay away, too.
I hear Chicago, New York, Detroit, DC, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Birmingham, etc... are just the cities you should move to and stay. They're full of liberal idiots. We ALL see how well liberals have run those cities and crime is virtually non-existent.
Janet, poor logic in "We felt sharing information about gun permits in our area was important in the aftermath of the Newtown shootings," Janet Hasson, president and publisher of The Journal News Media Group. You should not be the publisher (BOSS in general) of anything. But, typical lib reverse (perhaps perverse) logic pattern. You just killed your own newspaper and the people who work there's livelihood. Something my beloved newspaper industry does NOT need. An undoubtedly anti-gun person has to hire armed guards. Just hard to do anything but laugh.
Well, the govt knows where the permit holders are, so it's only fair for us citizens to know where they are so when we need to organize to fight off the tyrannical guvmint , or to fight off foreign invaders, we know who to call and who (non-permit-holders) not to bother with. . . right? Seems pretty in line with the Second Amendment. Don't see why these permit holders have their powder in a wad, really.
BEN-And this gun "map" will include all the guns in the possession of felons and criminals? No? Didn't think so.
The armed guards will do nothing to deter the written word, I'd say that it's time to overload the servers at the paper's website and show the power of the pen.
Ben
Well Ben, when they take the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment away, the First Amendment won't be far behind.
Are you also waiting with baited breath for the Google World map of all of the people that talk to much to come out?
Those that don't want to protect our freedoms, all of them, deserve none of them. So stop speaking your mind please, you do not deserve the right!
shaking my head
Given the number of children "accidentally" killed by guns in homes I would, as a parent, want to know who owned the guns so that I could prohibit my children from playing at that house. If it is publicly available information already then this consolidates it as a public service.
Wow, I would be outraged. Glad I don't live there. I can't understand people that are sooo opinionated and so uninformed. I can't understand it. It seems that they are taking over. They know nothing except thier media indoctrined education that they parrot. Wow, man we are headed in a bad way.
By publishing a list of responsible law abiding gun permit holders, the newspaper has also provided would-be criminals the homes that do not.
The responsible gun permit holders are the ones being demonized here.
Kelcy, I would just ask the parents unless you let your kids visit strangers homes.
LAWSUIT, LAWSUIT, LAWSUIT. For every threat, nastygram, negative email the gun owners receive... (liable, mental anguish). Class action lawsuit... I Wish my local paper did that... I would own the joint.
Kelcy, you need help. Please get help from someone that actually knows what is going on.
Nothing better than having to worry every time you leave the house because your on some hit list.
They shoul list high income earners as well, how about a list of disabled people as well, list any one else that would make home invasion criminals happy as well.
This has nothing to do with guns, it's an attempt by a business to make victims for profit
The newspaper's 'outing' of these gun owners was apparently meant to imply that the ownership of a gun is somehow simply wrong, and that gun owners should be ashamed of their gun ownership.
The newspaper is wrong - very wrong - for fanning the flames of what is always a heated debate.
A very very good argument against gun registration schemes.
The newspaper should be legally liable for any harm coming from its harassment.
Will make it harder to get any restriction whatsoever on the machinegun-like military assault weapons.
Any negotiation toward stopping the manufacture and sale of those things to civilians should be bundled with prohibition of the sale or dissemination of the violent video games of the type associated with the school shooters.
Kelcy, I can appreciate your thinking. Just about everyone I know owns guns of one type or another. Yet in all my fifty-plus years I've only personally been connected to one child who was involved in a shooting accident and in that case it was because her dad did something extremely stupid. I could make an entire list of those I knew who have been killed in car accidents or maimed by drunk drivers or drowned in a local ditch or pond and those who intentionally took their own lives. Considering the number of people I've been associated with or connected to through my life (and trust me, this IS the kind of thing you hear about, no matter how far removed the connection is) accidental shooting deaths aren't all that common.
The public has a right to know this information. The newspaper did the right thing. I can't see one thing wrong with posting names and addresses of gun owners.
Yes, it's true that the information is public record.
But the criminals who would like to know where to break in and steal guns aren't going to go and look up this information, making it obvious that they were interested in knowing where guns were owned by private citizens.
And most of the gang members wouldn't have even known that this information was public knowledge if the newspaper had not broadcast the fact... now they all know it, so they can get the few educated members to either read the addresses from the newspaper, or go check out the information from public records.
The fact that this stunt has made national news has also alerted the rest of the criminals across the country to the fact that the location of registered guns is as easy to find as a trip to the local court house. So now, every legal gun owner in the US is at the mercy of any criminal who wants to take the time to look up his address in public records.
You don't? Consider this... if every state has this information as public record, and as this story has made national news....
then every literate criminal in the US now knows they can access information on the whereabouts of firearms by simply going to the local court house and looking it up. They then just have to wait for the legal owner to leave the house and break in to get the guns.
Of the millions of legal gun owners, how many do you think will have more than simply a registered hand gun? How many will have rifles, shotguns, and... oh my!... the dreaded "assault rifles!...
This newspaper has now put all that information directly into the hands of anyone who wants it... adult criminals, mentally disturbed/angry teens, would-be terrorists....
You idiot!
"The public has a right to know this information. The newspaper did the right thing. I can't see one thing wrong with posting names and addresses of gun owners."
Yes Jim, lets not have any privacy in our lives at all anymore, ok? So we can make sure we know who is perfect, and who is not. Heaven forbid our children be around non perfect people. Oh wait, none of us are perfect, are we?
Yepppp... No one is perfect - and that includes the paper staff. Who in the FONGONUS decided it would be a good idea to print information about gun owners? !! The criminals have guns, and they are not registered...
The newspaper owners/stockholders should consider firing everyone connected to that article. Why? It was not a newsworthy article. Plus, printing the article involved impaired reasoning.
Does that paper print the name and address of all people convicted of DUI? Those people pose a danger to society. How about people convicted of domestic violence? Those people are apt to use weapons.
For whatever reason, it is very difficult for some newspapers to admit they made a big mistake. The only way they can learn is to have advertisers boycott the newspaper. People should call all the businesses placing ads with that paper, and let them know they will not be making purchases at that business because of the irresponsible actions of that paper. That might teach the impaired reasoning people at that paper a lesson about life.
Ben, after going through this whole forum, and seeing how many times you posted the same thing time and again, I can now safely say, there is a 100% chance that you are a paid antigun troll.
Every gun owner whose address was published is one count of treason by every manager responsible for this truly a$$hole decision. Wouldn't bother me in the least if any of those managers pay for it with their lives. Wouldn't necessarily bother me if rank and file employees end up paying the price for management's stupidity, either. The way the world works is very simple: if you work for this company, no one gives a $hit who you are, only that you are someone who needs to be held accountable for this, and they're the ones tasked with holding people accountable. Therefore, choosing to remain employed at this newspaper would be your own mistake; it's your own tough $hitting if you choose to squat for nothing over standing for something.
Nice touch MSNBC, on the page that you have your write up about all of this newspaper antigun crap, you place an ad from a gun dealer.
Wow why are gun owners ticked? Obviously it is public information anyone can get so it means nothing. Just another time for the gun nuts to vent their imaginary frustration for being picked on. Poor people.
Are you saying every gun owner is a gun nut? Pretty stupid thinking on your part. This kind of idiocy makes it less likely that people will register their guns.
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Now, if this newspaper is so right then why the need to hire guards. I mean, if you print something stand behind it 100% don't be a chump and take you medicine. You talked chit now reap your just reward.
CynDee Royale(Cynthia R. Lambert)
17 McBride Ave
White Plains, New York 10603
Turnabout IS fair play.
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The freedom of information act is a bitch when it works both ways.
I'd like the newspaper to also publish the race/color of all people and provide an interactive map, most of which can be found on the latest census--public information. Also, I would like it published as to who went to college and who didn't--more public info. College probably means higher income, better things to steal. Income? why not--still from the census. Social/legal history/prison--go for it. If it's in the courts, it's public info. Number/age of children (census again)? I hear there's a market for kids in the kiddie porn industry. Let's put that out there, too. If ANYONE thinks they have a right to invade another's privacy over a legal status, all the others are fair game, too. Otherwise, what is it? Discrimination and fanning the flames of panic and distrust. Is that what this country really needs?
Huh? I thought a home with a gun was impenetrable and gun owners were proud of the fact. Isn't that the whole point of having a gun, so you can kill any tresspasser?
You cannot undo what this communist newspaper has done but you can call/write all of their advertisers and tell them you will stop buying from them as long as they give their business to this paper. Money talks.
You may call them communist, but they are exercising their first amendment rights. Nobody's privacy was violated, because gun licensure in NY is a matter of public record.
One more proof that guns are required for protection.
They have armed guards of course they do bunch of gutless cowards that can't defend themselves. They have no one to blame for this situation but themselves.
I'll quit crying, you gunowners all about the Constitution until it turns out to be freedom of speech and then you want to shoot somebody.
BEN-. . . Must . . turn . . . on . . . coherency . . . filter . . .
Ok Ben, time to come back from Margaritaville, time for your reality check.
Did they post the guards' addresses?
See! The media does not hesitate to hire protection for themselves but oppose and think we are nuts to protect our children in schools. Sorry bums. We need to post the addresses of all the employees and see if they become gun owners. What ever the media can do to stir the pot. Well how ironic is this.
Hypocrites. So they out all the gun owners, but hire armed guards themselves. Practice what you preach.
I cannot wait until the national gun nut map comes out for Google Earth. due out for web publication any day we can now know where the gun owners are all around the country and we can stay away from these people. according to national crime statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a gun in your home. we publish a map of dangerous people in our neighborhoods so that we can stay away from them. Gun owners are now included. if you don't like it too bad. This is the United States of America we have where freedom of speech, at least for now.
Yes Ben, please have all of your liberal ilk, the welfare collectors/union thugs/drug dealers/pimps/hos/most criminals/etc... you know, those who make up a large base of the liberal left, stay away, too.
I hear Chicago, New York, Detroit, DC, Los Angeles, New Orleans, Birmingham, etc... are just the cities you should move to and stay. They're full of liberal idiots. We ALL see how well liberals have run those cities and crime is virtually non-existent.
Ben's right, freedom of speech allows me to list the addresses of the president of the paper (what's good for the goose, eh):
Janet Hasson, 3 Gate House Lane Mamaroneck, NY 10534 (914) 694-5204 / (248) 594-2197
Editors:
Cyndee Royle, 1133 Westchester Ave., Suite N110, White Plains, NY 10604, 914-694-9300
Nancy Cutler 9 Woodwind Ln, Spring Valley, NY. (845) 354-3485
and the reporter on the story:
Dwight Worley, 23006 139 Ave Springfield Gardens, NY 11413 (718) 527-0832
Ben-3027972 - Just one question... are you including suicides in that little factoid? Oh, you are? You think that's a little misleading?
BEN-I can't wait either! Will make it much easier for the criminals types to find you. Freedom of speech, cuts both ways doesn't it?
Ben
Well Ben, when they take the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment away, the First Amendment won't be far behind.
Are you also waiting with baited breath for the Google World map of all of the people that talk to much to come out?
Those that don't want to protect our freedoms, all of them, deserve none of them. So stop speaking your mind please, you do not deserve the right!
Right, paper is so anti-gun what are their guards armed with pepper spray,tasers?...LMAO. Sanctimonious hypocrites.
Wonder if there on that lifts now ??
I have a serious problem with your phrasing of this. They "out" gun owners. What exactly are you trying to say? Most people are proud of exercising their second amendment rights. They shout it from the rooftops. They spout on and on about it in stories like this.
Liberal hypocrisy rears its ugly head yet again.
All one can do is....... laugh!
Right on do as I say not as I do.
Here is a list of undesirables ...... This sounds familiar ... But were has media been used this way
Yes yes, lets do what we can, to keep the people at each others throats, and keep things unstable in this country. Job well done newspaper. Nothing can beat the smell of fear in the air to sell the news, right?
/s
Lunkystraydog, when you own a big chunk of the major corporations, media included, like the government does(check the Federal government CAFR and see how much they own), and you have an agenda like the gun control, and you want to keep the people stirred up because of it, the best way of doing it, is through that which you control, the media.
I don't think that was a very wise move, publishing names and addresses like that.
Sure the info is available but why make it so handy as to publish it in the media?
Not cool.
How about knowing where you ex is and if they are unarmed or for that matter where the guns aren't. Self righteous liberal jerks. They are soooo sure about the 2nd Amendment being wrong. I am not too sure the the 1st doesn't need some tinkering too. How would they feel about that?
I'm a liberal. Me and my liberal friends support the Second Amendment. This isn't about restricting guns, it's about idiots with guns. Why restrict the responsible gun owners because our world has lunatics in it?
It is always heart wrenching when children are slaughtered, but we should be careful not to act on outrage without thinking things through. I'm hard pressed to blame the NRA for this, although their PR guy sucks but that's another topic.
I just don't get it.
I feel like we the people have the right to see where all gun nuts live. If you don't like it change the Constitution to eliminate freedom of speech. That's what we're trying to do change the Constitution to eliminate freedom of guns. If these rules don't work for you, you should think about altering your geographical location.
So, do 'We the People' have the right to know where anyone with HIV or Aids lives? Or houses where people download deviant porn, and what they download? Hey, let's publish a list of all Muslims! That won't encourage any crazies to go vandalize or commit violent acts, will it?
I wonder if the Nazis published the list of Jews they had, or just used it to persecute them?
Ben-3027972, maybe you are the one who should alter your geographical area. Maybe Mexico, Pakistan, Honduras, Czech Republic or Germany? They all have very strict gun laws. You would do well there :) Be sure to voice your opinion vehemently also. See where that gets you. :)
BEN-Just because someone has a permit they are a "gun nut"? That is a stretch. Just because you have a permit it does not necessarily follow that you have a gun. At any rate, it's for handguns. And, I'll defend your freedom of speech even if I don't agree with your opinion. Americans do that for each other. I have a feeling it would be a one-way street in this case though.
Ben
Define "gun nut" please.
Ben = Troll.
Ben's prolly packing himself. LOL
After their stupid stunt I hope they live in fear and regret what they did every minute....why nor post addresses of sex offenders or drug dealers or honest lawyers...no wait, there aren't any of those.
due out for web publication any day the Google Earth gun nut map. we can now know where the gun owners are all around the country and we can stay away from these people. according to national crime statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a gun in your home. we publish a map of dangerous people in our neighborhoods so that we can stay away from them. Gun owners are now included. if you don't like it too bad. This is the United States of America we have where freedom of speech, at least for now.
Ben
Well Ben, when they take the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment away, the First Amendment won't be far behind.
Are you also waiting with baited breath for the Google World map of all of the people that talk to much to come out?
Those that don't want to protect our freedoms, all of them, deserve none of them. So stop speaking your mind please, you do not deserve the right!
Don't worry Ben, any day now Google Earth will publish a map back to reality.
Hey Ben, what's the pay now a days for troll postings, is it pretty good? You seem to be pretty good at it, posting the same thing over and over and over again. You have to get paid by the quantity of posts, and not by the quality of them from the looks of it.
Why do they feel the need to hire armed guards? I thought they want strict gun control laws....why do you need something that you want to outlaw or restrict? seems quite hypocritical and laughable except for the homeowners that are not registered gun owners and criminals have a roadmap to easy pickings....
Completely hypocritical unless the guards are armed with nothing more than pepper spray and Tasers.
They should just make their newspaper offices "gun free" zones.
I just love the more liberals talk about gun control. Gun sales are absolutely exploding. 2 million background checks in November a new record, then today the FBI said that they did 2.8 million in December. Another all time record. You can buy multiple guns with one background check, so how many are really being sold. Plus then you have the gun shows which are standing room only. The nations largest Ammo producer said last week that they sold 3 1/2 years worth of ammo, and high capacity clips in just 3 days! My mailman just told me today that he just bought his first gun. My neighbor, and painter friend just bought their first guns. Everybody I know is buying, and all the gun stores are shoulder to shoulder with people, and they are picked clean of virtually every gun and ammo. Keep it up you idiot Libs.
Plenty of us Libs are gun owners.
Yeah, I'm a Conservative But I know there are plenty of Liberals who support the second amendment. I just wish Obama, and all lot of the more radical Liberals would learn to respect it.
I know a kindergarten teacher who bought at least 2 handguns and a Bushmaster semi-auto to protect her family, oh wait a minute.......................
I am a liberal. I was in Nam with the first Inf. I have always stated that if the gov't owns guns i want one. I witnessed first hand what gov'ts will do with their guns! A gun is harmless. It's the idiot that holds it in his hand that's the problem! I am just sick to death about those poor families that lost their baby's! My heart goes out to the father of the child that killed those children and his wife. I can't imagine what he most be going through right now.
I have yet to see one good reason for permit holders to get all freaked out about their addresses being available to the public. Are you equating gun ownership with HIV-AIDS? Is it something to be ashamed of or hide? That's not the impression I've gotten. . . .
I consider myself pretty liberal but I also own guns as does my daughter and husband, also fairly liberal, own guns and none of us have any problem with shooting a thief doing a B&E on our homes! This is pretty much the norm for my neighbors as well, we tell each other when we're leaving for the night, weekend, or on vacation and I have no worries that my things will be there when I get back because THEY will watch it and take the appropriate action should they see someone break in!
All the gun store in my area are sold out, never seen this before.
I saw a nurse in line and thought I was seeing things, every thing is sold out around here, at least the three cities I live close to
You people who are complaining are not thinking. The info is public, thieve already have access to the info if they want it. It would be interesting to see how many people in my area are armed. Maybe I should request the info. Kind of like knowing where the pedophiles in the area live.
It's the fact that they made the list quite handy and an issue out of in the media. What message were they sending? Go get the gun owners? What?
You wouldn't find my name on any gov't list of people who own a gun, but I own a gun... legally. So good luck with that. Here in TN, you don't need a permit or registration unless you conceal carry.
By the way, third home invasion in a week here in Nashville. So if you suggest that I not own a firearm, I'll tell you that's a stupid idea.
So, Crushedu, what is your name and address? It's on record somewhere, so you may as well post it here.
zupercram, while you fumble for your gun in the dark of night, I've got mine ready. If I'm not mistaken, Nashville is a fairly large city, so three home invasions shouldn't be a surprise. And for those Nashvillians, one of which is you, to continue my first sentence, I'm gonna blow your ass away, take everything in house, and laugh all the way to the Pawn Shop. That's what happens in home invasions, the bad guys are ready for someone with a gun that isn't ready and loaded. The terrorists, and yes nearly all terrorists in the USA are homegrown and not Muslim, are ready for you. And sorry for your ass when it gets handed to you.
Are the gun owners scared of the non-gun owners coming after them? No? Scared of the government coming after them? No, because the government has their addresses from the permits. Scared of the criminals? Well, isn't that why you GOT the gun to begin with? Now, shush up and drink your milk.
Come on into my house in Kentucky for some B&E there jackieboy! There won't be any fumbling for my Glock 23 no matter where I am in the house cause it's either in it's holster on me or within hands reach on the bedside table 24/7!
jackieboy - What is your point exactly? Or do you just enjoy threatening people on the internet? No, jackieboy, I own a gun for real bad guys, not internet bad guys.
A firearm will be of assistance in most cases, because, despite what you see in movies, home invaders don't exactly strike with SEAL Team 6 precision. It's not like any paramilitary force is really that interested in my TV or stereo.
jackieboy - Read some of your other posts. Apparently, you take issue with "rude comments" and "hateful bozos" with "so much venom." But making threats is totally OK? Here's one non-hateful, non-venomous, purely factual comment: you're a hypocrite.
jackieboy needs to be investigated by the police.
You've missed the point that they placed every permit holder's address on a map. And when you make a FOIA request, you fill out a form and put your name on it. I don't know if you need to show ID or not, but regardless, no criminal is going to risk that.
But thanks to this idiot reporter, all they have to do is look at a map, look for a cluster of 5 or 6 homes, wait for a Friday night when families are out to dinner, and have it.
I mean honestly, the stupidity of the media when it is on a crusade is just mind-boggling. They want to have access to who owns permits to make a point on their anti-gun agenda, fine. But the data could've been displayed in a way that did not make it easy for criminals to select targets. Just stupid and insensitive journalism.
What they did was FUBAR and now these anti-gun idiotss are hiring the very people they are against...people with guns. Oh the irony.
oh quit crying. It's all about freedom of speech. The national gun ownership map utilizing Google Earth will be out any day now. Why is it that gun owners can't stand the light of day.
I have no problem with you knowing I have a couple of firearms. Come by the house and I will show them to you, set up a couple of targets, and let you plink at them with me.
Why would I care if liberals avoid me, I don't like them anyway!
So the anti-gun paper hires armed guards to protect themselves from people that are no legitimate threat to them.
Guess we know who has the irrational fear...
Sensationalism sells.
I'd never heard of that paper till now. Guess what... that was the whole plan to begin with! Now they've got their 15 minutes of fame.
In harm's way? How? I thought the idea was to let people know you are armed so they don't mess with you or your stuff. I'd be pissed if I didn't own a gun. Now all the crooks know which houses to break in to.
Yup, there's that to think about too.
Actually, if its permits then I would guess these are only addresses of folks who like to HIDE guns, not the folks who have guns they don't conceal. And 2nd Amendment says nada about the right to hide guns.
My definition of a liberal is someone who will stand up for the rights of fellow (sane) citizens to own guns and say what they think.
Very basic stuff here, protection of self and family and speaking your mind without fear of government oppression.
That's what real liberals are all about IMHO.
Sadly, your definition, does not apply to 90% of other self-proclaimed liberals.
Let's find some middle ground and call it 60-40, give me some slack here.
I try not to broad brush all Conservatives as evil dumb asses. Ya see, I think the problem is (especially on News Vines) we start to box people into categories without considering the whole of a person.
Human nature.
I cannot wait until the national gun nut map comes out for Google Earth. due out for web publication any day we can now know where the gun owners are all around the country and we can stay away from these people. according to national crime statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a gun in your home. we publish a map of dangerous people in our neighborhoods so that we can stay away from them. Gun owners are now included. if you don't like it too bad. This is the United States of America we have where freedom of speech, at least for now.
@Ben-3027972...Are you for real? Why do you believe that people who own firearms are inherently dangerous. And where did you get your statistics about 8 times more likely. What are YOU afraid of. Someone getting your name and address, and coming to your house to harass you about your freedoms? Your freedoms that our forefathers fought (with those horrible things called guns) and died for so that you could have those rights.
I think someone should publish the names and address of everyone who works at newspapers. That way, all those gun hating liberals will think twice about what they publish...let's take away some of their sense of freedom and see how safe and comfortable they feel. Then they will have to be like Senator Diane Feinstein here in California. She wants to outlaw guns but carries one herself.
Hypocrites that believe their way of thinking is "the only way" live in fear everyday that someone out there is going to do or believe in something that is contrary to their way of thinking/believing. Those are the people we need to fear.
So, good luck with your lie (oops, I mean life, Ben).
Ben
Well Ben, when they take the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment away, the First Amendment won't be far behind.
Are you also waiting with baited breath for the Google World map of all of the people that talk to much to come out?
Those that don't want to protect our freedoms, all of them, deserve none of them. So stop speaking your mind please, you do not deserve the right!
Ahhhh... Ben the Troll is still at it I see.
Yes he is, and he has met my criteria for being put on the IGNORE list
Since the sewer system is public domain, let's monitor the wastewater discharges of the newspaper staff (especially the editor) and charge them whenever we find any illegal substance in their sewage. Actually, the laboratory tests are quite sensitive and I'm pretty sure we could catch several of them on drug charges. Remember, it's public domain, so it doesn't violate any of their privacy rights. This makes at least as much sense as what they did. I'd like to see a class action suit brought against the editor for violating the gun owners' rights.
Consuming drugs isn't against the law. Possessing and trafficking them is. But there are plenty of private employers who won't hire you or will fire you if there's evidence you consume drugs.
I also reject the premise of your argument. Gun owners shouldn't be ashamed of exercising their rights, just as I am not ashamed of exercising my first amendment rights here. But in the course of exercising my right, I am not having a reasonable expectation of privacy. When you register a gun, you shouldn't have any expectation of privacy concerning that matter either. If gun owners are ashamed, perhaps they shouldn't exercise their right. They can choose not to.
This is too funny. Journalists become frightened when other people exercise their First Amendment right to express differing opinions.
Just like registered sex offenders, all you have to do is take the time to look.
WilliamOfRites
Yes. A far greater danger to everyone yet the newspapers don't publish the entire list, only when one is moving to "their" neighborhood do we hear about them.
These gun nuts only belive the 2nd amendment is sacred and not the 1st. It is called freedom of speech.
I dunno Doug, if you think about it, the two amendments go hand in hand.
Are you saying we shouldn't criticize the paper for publishing the data because it is their First Amendment Right?
Well you are 100 percent correct, it is their right to compile and publish information open to the public.
Was it wise? Allow me to exercise my First Amendment Rights and say that I am of the opinion that they did it to sell their product without thinking things through.
That's the problem with liberals... Conservatives value both the 2nd and 1st amendment rights. As a matter fact the founding fathers thought so highly of the 1st that they incorporated the 2nd to protect it.
Liberals only value either when it applies to their causes.
Go ahead. Yell "Fire!" in a theater and claim First Amendment rights.
Moron.
out for web publication any day the National Gun ut Map. we can now know where the gun owners are all around the country and we can stay away from these people. according to national crime statistics, you are eight times more likely to be killed by a gun if you have a gun in your home. we publish a map of dangerous people in our neighborhoods so that we can stay away from them. Gun owners are now included. if you don't like it too bad. This is the United States of America we have where freedom of speech, at least for now.
Ben
Well Ben, when they take the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment away, the First Amendment won't be far behind.
Are you also waiting with baited breath for the Google World map of all of the people that talk to much to come out?
Those that don't want to protect our freedoms, all of them, deserve none of them. So stop speaking your mind please, you do not deserve the right!
No they don't. At least not universally. Look at some of the comments here from 2nd amendment exercisers. They're saying things to the effect of "maybe the first ought to be tweaked a little." See, this is the problem with painting a group of people with too broad of a brush.
Take off your partisan blinders. Everybody does this.
When will they be posting the names and addresses of all of the armed guards? Seems like they would want the world to have that information.
The names, addresses of the guards and the firm for whom the guards work must be made public. Those plus the names and addresses of those who hired them.
This is gonna be a twofer for the ambulance chasers. Criminals break into certain houses because they know guns are there. Result: Civil Suit on behalf of the owners. Criminals break into certain houses because they think guns are NOT there, based on the paper's publication. Result: Civil suit on behalf of those owners. I hope that newspaper gets it from both sides.
I would think it would be exactly the opposite...criminals are looking for the easy score....the paper has just provided them with a listing of homes with no gun permits....in their simplistic way of thinking that means that homes NOT on the list are the ones to hit...... Of course only handguns require a permit there and there are more than likely homes with long guns. The paper has actually made targets of their unarmed readers....congrats to them....morons.
I just wish every stinking subscriber would immediately cancel their subscriptions and tell them WHY they are canceling. Once their income drops drastically, they can all revel in the fact that they created the problem themselves. FUBAR fits perfectly here.
I love freedom of speech, that's why I immediately subscribed to the paper as soon as I saw the article. I also made a contribution to the national anti-gun organization is building a national map utilizing Google Earth. All gun owners throughout the nation will be soon exposed the light of day and if you don't like it too bad
Ben
Well Ben, when they take the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment away, the First Amendment won't be far behind.
Are you also waiting with baited breath for the Google World map of all of the people that talk to much to come out?
Those that don't want to protect our freedoms, all of them, deserve none of them. So stop speaking your mind please, you do not deserve the right!
Can you say "hypocrites"?
Sounds like the newspaper was attempting to make news instead of reporting it. Now they are receiving the criticism they deserve. The paper apparently does not understand their customer base very well and miscalculated the backlash. Suggest they stick to the fundamental business of reporting the news fairly and without bias and maybe then they won't see the local population turn against them. The paper should not garner any sympathy or favorable attention from anyone, most of all the national news organizations. Instead, let them live uncomfortably with the situation they created.
three words: freedom of speech. Four words:United States of America. Sunlight always sends the cockroaches scurrying into dark corners
You forgot a few words Ben:
The right to bear arms!
You cannot defend one right withourt defending them all.
Good leading Ben, nice analogy with the cockroaches, I believe that is what just happened with the Journal News as evidenced by their hiring of an armed security force.
Please call the following people from the Journal News and let them know that Google Earth is going to help them:
Janet Hasson, 3 Gate House Lane Mamaroneck, NY 10534 (914) 694-5204 / (248) 594-2197
Editors:
Cyndee Royle, 1133 Westchester Ave., Suite N110, White Plains, NY 10604, 914-694-9300
Nancy Cutler 9 Woodwind Ln, Spring Valley, NY. (845) 354-3485
and the reporter on the story:
Dwight Worley, 23006 139 Ave Springfield Gardens, NY 11413 (718) 527-0832
@Ben-3027972
With your repeating you kind of sound like that troll just repeating "thanks NRA!!" or "Ban The Assault Weapons" but I digress - Ben!!! If this cockroach gets his firearms / rights taken away Please find another house to run to for help when the REALLY mean cockroaches come out of the woodwork... Ugh NOPE, I cant say that even to you... If you had a problem from a worse cockroach than me and you needed help I would still assist, that's the way I am. I'm more middle of the road and cant stand the yap yap yap of some people from the extreme ends of the gun issue, Come to the middle every now and then to talk.
FYI, You do realize that if all guns just miraculously disappeared from the US that there is still objects around the house that can be assembled to throw a projectile efficiently or worse... right? but you shouldn't have to worry about that; if my legal firearms are taken then the crooks will still have their weapons to use on even more people.
When are we going to get away from this Liberal vs. Conservative BS? Are we that brain washed by the media?
Why can't we find some fricken common ground, just a little bit?
I go out in public and everyone for the most is polite and gracious to each other (I live in the South) we could be of any political bent.
My town got hit by a tornado on Christmas day, I saw neighbor helping neighbor. No one asked each other if they were Liberal or Conservative. They all just pulled together and started the clean up of our beautiful Mid Town.
We need to find some common ground and pull together. Just one little issue at a time.
It's easier to lump groups of people into convenient bins than talk to them or exercise critical thinking.
I've found over my years that the best way to conduct yourself in controversial discussions is to ask the types of probing questions that will give you insight into their line of thinking. Most people argue with the goal of moving somebody over to "their side." And it rarely, if ever, works that way. The way to have civil discourse is to understand the other person's point of view and work to get the to understand yours. Nobody has to agree. But it is much easier to find common ground.
I'm not a big supporter of gun rights, but I also recognize that taking them away from people is wrong-headed. I support registration (I need to register so many other purchases, such as land, structures on my property, my vehicle). I also support insurance, because whether something is a right or not, you're still personally responsible for your actions. Let a friend borrow a handgun and kill somebody, you ought to be responsible on some level for what happened. Just as if you give your car keys to somebody who goes off, gets drunk, and runs over a person.
I like to get reassurance once in a while that all the political fluff is just hyperbole and that when the chips are down, people will revert to being decent human beings to one another. Thank you for that reassurance. I saw it after Sandy as well.