wonder if they were charging double for the pop corn...got'a cover the cost of the free tickets...

Since people are stupid and look towards the easiest (i.e. wrong) target to blame. Often times this ends up creating more violence. Who is honestly stupid enough to blame video games, movies, tv, etc. for this stuff happening? Is it too late to require IQ tests to breed?

Rick, I agree. The only thing I have thought of is to have alarms go off when exit doors are open. That way, maybe the exit door could have been closed before he came back in.

I am sad for the families losses.

I am not sure I would want to go to this or any other theater ever again but golly these guys are just trying to show you their compassion.

If you do not like it and I am not sure I would, just don't go.

@thisguy...Only if you have already reproduced.

Who is honestly stupid enough to blame video games, movies, tv, etc. for this stuff happening?

RTyp0 falls into this category.

RTypo:

"I'd rather be an "anti-gun-liberal" than a paranoid, the sky is falling, Chicken Little alarmist."

"Why is it that you people are always pedalling fear?"

If you are ever unfortunate enough to find yourself in a life and death situation and somehow manage to live through it I would love to hear your take on it then. Whether or not it does happen to you, you have no right to denegrate others for being prepared for it and especially those of us who have experienced it first hand. It CAN happen to anyone at any time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is very very foolish indeed.

@summs100 --- That thought process sir makes you a "soft target" and potential victim. When needed a gun in the hand is far more effective than on cop on the 911 line. Even with an outstanding response time the event will be over by the time law enforcement arrives on the scene.

Pre-WW2 Germany? Securing your freedom (from the same government who gave it to you in the first place-and who has tanks and aircraft carriers???)??? Cowadly to not want a gun?

The "liberals" are right....... you people are insane ......

No win situation for the theater, especially since the families who are so offended are suing the theater chain for improper security. I wonder if they are going to sue the NRA, who made it so easy for this moron to get his weapons, or sue the producers of the movie for portraying realistic violence, or the police department for not having armed guards at every public site in the town. It goes on and on, so move on with it, people.

Midnightridr

RTypo:

"I'd rather be an "anti-gun-liberal" than a paranoid, the sky is falling, Chicken Little alarmist."

"Why is it that you people are always pedalling fear?"

If you are ever unfortunate enough to find yourself in a life and death situation and somehow manage to live through it I would love to hear your take on it then. Whether or not it does happen to you, you have no right to denegrate others for being prepared for it and especially those of us who have experienced it first hand. It CAN happen to anyone at any time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is very very foolish indeed

And yet you feel free to denigrate those who have opinions that differ from yours. Hypocrite much????

The Day is coming when you will have to choose if you want to be free or slaves

You already are enslaved by your idea that every place in America has to be militarized.

live in fear and freedom dies...live in freedom and have no fear...now pass the pop corn...

TrueAmerican08, insult much? I'm an educated individual with more emotional intelligence than most of the population. I want my guns, and will fight for them, because that is the only thing that keeps the government in check. Therefore, your opinion is based on ignorance and fear yourself and not in any way shape or form facts.

I"m sorry, WHAT culpability does the theater have? They did nothing wrong other than providing a service that was abused horribly by one man. They did not have signs on the door asking armed f*cknuts to come in and kill people. They have nothing to defend.

These people are taking a tragedy and drama whoring it up at this point.

"And yet you feel free to denigrate those who have opinions that differ from yours. Hypocrite much????"

Opinions are like ass holes, everybody's got one and entitled to it, but name calling and belittling others is a whole diff ball game buddy. Show me anywhere in my post #1.16 where I name called or belittled RTypo or anyone else for that matter.

True American08 wrote

"Please look into how many well educated, financially stable successful people are fighting to keep guns. My point, only the poor, stupid, incompetent want guns while the rest of us suffer".

What source are you using for your statement? The perp in this case was a PhD candidate, and his father and mother both possess advanced degreees. So, neither the Perp or his parents are "stupid". None of them were poor. None were incompetent. It appears that the Perp has some severe mental issues.

My point - don't exclude yourself from the "poor, stiupid, incompetent" class. My guess is that you are marginally educated, dependant on others to provide your well being, and a bit of a crackpot.......

and the correct answer is always the most obvious!!! You simply require the installation of metal detectors at every entrance of public venues and set them sensitive enough to eliminate/stop guns, and the hip replacement surgery people have a pass card.... that should keep the killers out in the open where armed security and police have a better opportunity to stop them cold.

"I"m sorry, WHAT culpability does the theater have? They did nothing wrong other than providing a service that was abused horribly by one man."

They only hung signs up denying people their legal right to self protection which doubled as an advertisement to all the nut jobs out there letting them know that the establishment could be attacked w/o opposition. They then failed to provide security measures to prevent it, that's all. But of course I'm more than sure you don't see it that way, but others do, a lot of others.

Ooooh Mike, I'm going to turn in all of my guns, simply because of your extremely mature and sophisticated comment. I wouldn't be surprised if such wisdom won't be plastered all over tomorrow's national news

I am really glad that the victims and relatives told this guy to stick it. Why would anyone want to go back to a place like that? I,m proud of the way the victims are handling this, not like some of the victims fathers of the columbine shooting that are still sticking their kid out for the public to see. All these people should grieve their lost ones and let the events die down.

Who is being the alarmists? I think its the libs! I don't know your definition but when every time someone dies or is killed you try to ban anything that could be remotely connected to it that is an alarmist! If you go after guns and movie theatres why haven't you gone after alcohol and cars? Oh yeah, YOU don't want to have to stop what YOU like!!!!

Mike1233........Crawl back under your rock and hold your breath.

@Bogy Registrar It saddens me that you are ignorant enough to think the United States government is responsible for giving freedom to its citizenry. It saddens me more to know that you are not alone in your ignorance. Perhaps you should read the contents of the U.S. Constitution. It will first require that you have a level of reading comprehension equal to the top 5% of your public high school graduates. Since that may be hard for you to acquire, I at least suggest you look up the word "inalienable" in a dictionary. Feel free to look up the other big words you will encounter.

If you are ever unfortunate enough to find yourself in a life and death situation and somehow manage to live through it I would love to hear your take on it then. Whether or not it does happen to you, you have no right to denegrate others for being prepared for it and especially those of us who have experienced it first hand. It CAN happen to anyone at any time. Anyone who thinks otherwise is very very foolish indeed

You're guys are right. Feel free to head to your backyard and dig that bunker a little deeper, add a few more cans of Spam and wait for that armagedden that's supposedly on the way. (I've been waiting since the 70's, when exactly is it supposed to get here?) Mae sure your entire family knows how to recognize those FEMA death squads. Not to mention making sure they know how to distill their own urine into drinking water again.

I mean is this finally the Cons version of a Jobs bill? Let's replicate Sheriff Joe's Posse idea and hire groups of armed men and station them at every entrance to an event? Definitely a shovel ready job, since most of them would have to actually put the shovel down and step out of the bunker for a bit.

Feel free to keep collapsing posts, Cons. It shows what little regard you have for anyone else's opinion other than your own.

People who go on and on about "Maybe if people had been armed" act like those who would be armed are better shots than a mad gun man. Who's to say that everyone would have been safe if five people with concealed weapons permits all opened fire at once? It makes no sense. This hollywood mentality of the good guy always shoots the bad guy and never hits the innocent bystanders is just stupid.

For example if three guys were in the theater and had their CWP's and the gunman burst in, who's to say any of them would hit the guy? Chances are good in the ensuing chaos, they'd likely hit more innocents than actually hitting the gunman. All these things working against them would be people running and screaming, darkened theater, limited movement ability. People don't take these things into account at all.

The theater has no culpability at all. I'm sorry but I wouldn't want to sit next to some guy who's packing wondering if he's going to take it into his head to start blowing off peoples heads while I'm watching Frodo pick flowers with Legolas and Gimli on the way to take the ring to Mt. Doom.

The shooter was dressed up as "The Joker" who is a character from a Movie, and he was a Nuroscience Phd candidate who dropped out. There are a lot of people who would have sheltered the victims of this shooter and in fact, there were several people who tried to protect others with their own bodies.

Labeling every gun owner as a potential criminal is a false belief. what happened there is a tragedy but I, and millions of other legal gun owners had nothing to do with it, or the school shooting for which a borderline senile U.S. Senator (Diane Feinstein) wants to violate our constitutional rights, as if making everyone defensless is safer than being prepared to defend ourselves and others, as the laws allow.

Being bitter over these incidents is understandable, but using a law to violate my rights to own any gun of my choice is not acceptable to me, and is a federal offence as per Title 42 chapter 1983 usc.

It is already illegal to shoot innocent people, so making more people defensless is only helping the criminals.

If Obama* and Feinstein want to try to ban Semi-automatic weapons, I will Sue in a court of law and I will win their impeachments.

Remember Benghazi

I don't see anything wrong with the offer.

The guy has to run a business. It certainly was a tragedy - especially for the families of the victims - but life has to go on and they should not expect the owner to turn it into a ground zero style memorial. It may have been a foolish offer but maybe he thought it was a grand gesture in the aide of healing.

Thank you Tyler, you saved me the trouble!

Chris from Yucaipa, do the world a favor, stay in Yucaipa. I'm sure you fit right in!

@Chris from Yucaipa........I AM one of those who have been unfortunate enough to have been visited upon by evil. Had I not been armed there's no doubt about it, I wouldn't have survived. It's something that I would never wish upon my worst enemy. I refuse to be a statistic. Make fun of it all you want. To each his own.

I refuse to live in fear. I live in a great community with friendly, helpful neighbors. Yet, when I read conservative posts on these vines, there is almost always a fear angle to their rantings. Life is too short to be afarid. Once in a while it'd be nice to read something upbeat and positive from the cons. Something good about our country and the world.

btw Obama isn't the anti-Christ and Jesus (or any other Messiah) isn't coming back folks. Once we get over that nonsense (like most of Europe) we'll all realize that what we do while alive does matter for the Earth and the good of ALL people.

Mike1233

the revolutionary war is over, deal with it and give up your assault rifles, you pussies

So says the brave soul sitting at his computer. Perhaps you should have paid a bit more attention in history class, because if you had, you would realize your comment makes no sense.

Mike1233

soooo, you white trash want everyone in the world to have a hand held killing machine to make the world a safer place?

Typical.... If all else fails, resort to name calling.

RTyp0 Comment collapsed by the community

I'd rather be an "anti-gun-liberal" than a paranoid, the sky is falling, Chicken Little alarmist.

Why is it that you people are always pedalling fear?

LOL! The only people peddling fear are those who think every gun has the potential to murder someone. You really think YOU aren't the one living in fear? Then why do you care what sort of guns your neighbors may own?

Carrying a gun for self defense is like having a spare tire in your car. You don't carry the spare because you fear getting a flat you do because of the remote chance that you might need it.

bob rosa

Rick, I agree. The only thing I have thought of is to have alarms go off when exit doors are open. That way, maybe the exit door could have been closed before he came back in.

You don't go to movies very often, do you?

People exit out of the doors all of the time, because the exit is a short-cut to the car, the movie stinks, because they get claustrophobic, etc. There are silent alarms, indicating which exit doors aren't closed properly, and theater personnel do check them, but who wants a claxon going while the movie's showing just because some kids got into a spat and one leaves the showing in a huff?

Furthermore, you have to have an exit to the outdoors from the theater, in case of a fire. You just can't have everyone go out the front door.

RTypo:

"I refuse to live in fear. I live in a great community with friendly, helpful neighbors. Yet, when I read conservative posts on these vines, there is almost always a fear angle to their rantings."

I don't live in fear of anything or anyone, never have, and never will. I have more than enough piece of mind. And BTW, I am staunchly independent and proud of it.

over analyze much? must nicked a nerve

edit: spare tires arent used in massacres

Excellent post Backcountry164.

"over analyze much? must nicked a nerve

edit: spare tires arent used in massacres"

Wow, do you mean to tell me that you cannot even comprehend when someone is attempting to use something as an example?

This movie theater was not part of a conspiracy to kill any of those victims. They .. in another form .. are victims of these acts as well.

I totally sympathize with the families and understand their emotional need to put a face to responsibility and a movie theater is the only place at this point they can direct anger and find some resolve.

I simply feel its the wrong place to do it.

People enough already. Quit arguing with the anti gun nuts. Do what you need to be ready. Buy, stock pile,train,study, learn all the survival techniques you can. When the time comes and some day it will,take care of you and yours and leave them to their own demise that they created.

The only people peddling fear are those who think every gun has the potential to murder someone.

Every gun does have the potential to kill somebody (not necessarily murder). Thus reasonable restrictions are needed. Limiting assault rifle capacity and/or fire rate isn't unreasonable.

No rtypo you are just an idiot. Nothing else.

"People enough already. Quit arguing with the anti gun nuts. Do what you need to be ready. Buy, stock pile,train,study, learn all the survival techniques you can. When the time comes and some day it will,take care of you and yours and leave them to their own demise that they created."

I'm taking your advice, it's the best post on the whole damn thread!

culpability? absolutely no way.

Fre-2427257

Name calling takes place when the person name calling another person has nothing of use left to say. You just let RTypo win.

I just wish people that keep blaming guns for the actions of criminals and psychopaths would just shut the f— _k up or do us all a favor and go jump off a bridge. If you don't like guns - don't buy one. If you don't like going to movie theaters because an act of violence occurred there - then don't friggin go. When you try to stop the rest of us from exercising out constitutional rights or freedom of assembly then just leap off that bridge before we get fed up and push your sorry assess off it. YOU do NOT have the right to dictate to US and millions of us are really getting tired of it. GET IT Rtypo and friends?? As for those now choosing to make a crusade out of Century Theaters; the hell with you. I lived in Aurora when a black kid shot up a Chucky Cheese Pizza Parlor and killed four people less than 2 miles from the Cinemark theater where Holmes committed his murders. YES he was BLACK, Nathan Dunlap to be precise, yet how many of you have heard of the Chucky Cheese killings? If not, I wonder why - NOT! Then, as now, idiots crusaded and sued to have the Pizza Parlor removed, which it was, much to the chagrin of the many hundreds of locals that used it on a regular basis and putting the owner that had put his life savings in the restaurant out of business. I feel sympathy for those that lost loved ones in the Cinemark, and that's ALL. As far as a law-suit, my tolerance stops there. Sorry folks, the needs of the many out-weigh the needs of the few, and the MANY, want their weapons, want their movie theaters, and want their pizza parlors. If you don't like it, there are nice bridges in San Francisco and Brooklyn just waiting for you.

The theater's culpability? There was none.

Oh they're culpable alright.

They forbad responsible gun owners with carry permits to enter the theater with their weapons and refused to provide the security that was in place at the several theaters the shooter had to drive past in order to get there.

If you do not own a firearm you are not an adult.

I can't imagine what insanity is behind the rationalizations you offer yourselves when you go to sleep at night knowing that you can't defend yourselves or your children from a mortal threat.

It must be some kind of weird shame that drives you.

No other animal is without some form of defense and would never hesitate to defend its own life.

You are not fools, you are insane.

Gotta love the ignorance of some people.

Fact: The movie theatre is not legally "culpable" for what happened. Movie theatres are not required by law to provide security of any kind. Period.

Fact: Those who believe that more gun laws will keep this from happening are not just ignorant, but blatantly incapable of logical thinking.

I hate to break this to you anti-gun Nazis...but limiting the capacity of magazines and banning so-called "assault weapons" (a truly stupid phrase that proves most people don't know what they are talking about) does NOTHING to curb events like this.

I direct your attention to a little incident known as Columbine. The assault weapons ban was in full force back then...and correct me if I'm wrong, but it didn't stop what happened now did it?

This psychopath that killed all those poor children at Sandy Hook broke over 40 LAWS!!! Hmmmm, they didn't do much good either now did they? When will you intellectually challenged fools learn that no law ever devised will stop a determined individual??

I should already know the answer to that. Emotionally driven, intellectually challenged people will always be totally clueless when it comes to logical thinking.

I see nothing disgusting about it. The theater has been redone, it's a business, and they offered the family free tickets. If they don't want to go, then don't go. Business as usual. do e need to permanently shut down roads that people are killed on as well? Hell no!

There is a time to mourn the loss of a loved one, and then there is a time to learn to move on. If you mourn for years, then you need therapy to help you with it.

Don't blame the theater chain for the deaths of your loved ones.

It was the azzhole that came in with loaded guns and killed your loved ones, not the theater.

Just an FYI - the 2nd Amendment was ratified about 80 years before the NRA was founded. For all those calling them "the devil" or "satan" or any number of other irrational things, you need to realize our right to bear arms was guaranteed long before the NRA was around.

I know it's easy to fling insults at people who don't think like you, but that too is a form of fear. Seems like a lot folks here possess only internet courage.

Before guns it was swords and knives and arrows and axes. Before that it was tools and rocks. People are always looking for things to make up for lack of physical equity. Guns provide that, both for hunting and self defense. It's no more complicated than that. The only people I know who fear guns are those who haven't been properly educated in their use and care.

RTypo,

Every knife does have the potential to kill somebody (not necessarily murder). Thus reasonable restrictions are needed. Limiting blade size and/or sharpness isn't unreasonable.

Every car does have the potential to kill somebody (not necessarily murder). Thus reasonable restrictions are needed. Limiting gas tank capacity and/or speed rate isn't unreasonable.

Every hand does have the potential to kill somebody (not necessarily murder). Thus reasonable restrictions are needed. Limiting finger length and/or muscle tone isn't unreasonable.

Care to give up your sharp silverware?

Care to give up your car?

Care to place your hands on the table to be chopped off?

Scooter often says the first assault weapon was a rock, I disagree. I think we learned how to assault each other with our hands before someone picked up the rock to smashed it in the other guy's face.

RTyp0

Limiting assault rifle capacity and/or fire rate isn't unreasonable.

ANY limit to our freedoms solely for the purpose of providing a false sense of security to sheeple is most certainly unreasonable. Limiting the capacity of magazines won't make one iota of difference the next time some nut-job gets hold of a gun. Rate of fire is already limited and even the NRA doesn't bitch about that.

Look how well 12 heavily armed secret service agents were able to keep Regan from getting shot, they didn't even have time to unholster their weapons before it was all over.

DAVID LG: You really don't have to show how ignorant you have chosen to become. AMERICA: You need to get over your "Poor Me Fricken Selves" STFU&Sit Down!

The second amendment states

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed"

There seems to be a lot of misinterpretation of exactly what the right to bear arms means, We have grown leaps and bounds beyond the need to keep arms handy for the defense of the state, we have a well regualted "militia" in our national guard units and police forces. The year is 2013, not 1789, the founding fathers meant for this to be interpreted as stated, not misconstrued into "the everyone should be packing" mentality of the NRA.

Having said that and having served with men from many rural regions of the U.S. where a hunting culture is well established, I do not wish to see the right to own guns eliminated. Most hunters I know do not need 30 round clips to bring down a deer, there are rational approaches to gun ownwership where limiting the capability of a madman to own 30 to 100 round clips.

Happiness is not a warm gun, bang bang, shoot, shoot. (apologies to Lennon-McCartney)

OldDog47

Chris from Yucaipa, do the world a favor, stay in Yucaipa. I'm sure you fit right in!

Oh I fully intend to. That was the whole of retiring here. And unlike you I've been to 27 different countries during my career in the Navy. Unlike you I've deliberately fired a weapon that took the lives of 4 people while in the service. So what's your point?

You folks seem to forget that the same theater provided security on the weekends most of the time... and has never offered an explanation for why the security which had been arranged for that evening was called off.

And none of you has answered my question.

I just don't see how anyone can have any self respect if he doesn't provide for his own self defense from a lethal threat... no one can do that for you.

My display name says it all.

An entire damn thread and I saw only ONE comment regarding the movie theater. The rest is political bantering garbage to say the least. Guns, abortion, global warming, what else shall we all bicker about while the world is going to hell in a handbasket?

Regarding the theater..I don't think what they did is that crazy, I mean, they are offering the loved ones of the victims to come back to the remodeled theater and maybe get some peace. Why they would lash out I really don't know..but I can't say how I would react because of nothing, and I mean nothing of this magnitude has ever happened to me or anyone I know. May the victims' families find some peace soon.

I don't blame the theater for what happened but think their offer the way it's presented appears to be a celebration of the event rather than honoring those killed. It should have been handled differently. I do believe too much of the outrage from the victims families might have to do with lawsuits pending and trying to make the theater owners look insensitive.

You folks seem to forget that the same theater provided security on the weekends most of the time... and has never offered an explanation for why the security which had been arranged for that evening was called off.

Most theaters have a couple of unarmed young people to stop people from smoking, being rowdy or talking through the movie, not to deal with a heavily armed madmen. They may have an off duty cop on weekends when the theaters are packed but not be able to afford the same during the week when 1/4 full. There's no way every business can have armed guards. People need to be realistic.

Remember when Hollywood (in good hearted) delayed the opening of Jack Reacher because they said it was not an appropriote time just after the Newtown murders? A useless Texas Chainsaw 3 is now opening too. Do we really need movies like this? Oh, I forgot, it's all about the money!

I'm trying to figure out why people seem to be under this delusion that just because someone has a permit to carry that they're sane, well adjusted and may not snap. I keep seeing these comments of supposed responsible gun owners but really if we get down to brass tacks what's stopping them from acting irresponsibly? Nothing more than their mental stability. Personally, I have no way to tell who's sane and who isn't around me, maybe I missed that part of development or something or maybe it was blunted when I got older, but there's just no way for anyone to prove if the guy next to me is any saner or responsible with a weapon than the guy sitting ten rows from me.

If anything gun owners do tend to scare me quite a bit. Many (not saying all) are way too defensive and willing to threaten to blow peoples brains out for the possibility of touching their gun rights than I am of the guy sitting in a corner stroking a dead cat and muttering about gutting grandma. Both sound equally crazy to me.

Tim Warner Thank You for your offer..... You have to understand that there will always be someone to find fault with any kind of offer made..... Remember the old saying Damned if you do and Damned if you don't..... At least you Tried.....

It's a known fact the U.S. has the highest gun deaths per capita in the developed world. People around the world think we're crazy for our permissive gun laws. These gun enthusiasts don't understand that more guns in society makes us less safe not more safe.

Did this Movie House remove its "Gun Free Zone" signs. Are ANY of you aware that there are SEVEN movie theaters in that general area and the ONLY one that got shot up was the one with Gun Free Zone Signs?

As to all the antigun posts, I invite you to come and try taking my LEGAL(the only kind i own) guns away from me> What? You say it should be the cops or military that take them away? You mean you want me to not have guns but are too COWARDLY to take them away yourselves? How about this, Ill let you have one of my guns, if you make it past the 4 hungry and lean Pit Bulls i will adopt to replace that gun. Come on anti gunners, step up or shut up.

david i have a weapon...cause there are nuts that would kill me for my T.V....they would kill for no reason ...an unarmed public is what these jerk wads count on...to get a high body count...yes criminals don't care if the gun is legal or not... if they want to kill they will get one...

@bobbygordon You have not been answered because your comment is ridicules. What animal uses a weapon ? And really if you don't own a gun your not an adult ? I own a gun and support gun ownership but you are not helping.

Honestly, I really don't see anything disgusting about reopening the theatre or inviting the families. Everyone needs to remember and have closure (of some sort). Tragedy happens in this world, but to use your pain to inflict pain on someone else is not right either. Simply declining the offer would have sufficed. I don't think the theatre owners meant any harm. They just wanted to involved the families. They are rebuilding and moving on. If everywhere closes down after tragedies, then many colleges, supermarkets, beauty palors, etc. would never reopen. To me, that is claiming defeat, and the perpetrators have won, twice over. What happened to compassion, understanding, and peace. Why boycott the theatre? I don't agree.

All I am reading is that the theatre is extending an invitation to "The Families." I am somewhat taken aback when it seems that "The Families" think they are so important that they can raise hell about the offer. If "The Families" had any class, their response should have been a simple "No, thank you!" Now they are lowering themselves to an extent that I do not want to hear from them anymore!

"...but being a coward and not wanting a gun only makes you weak and a soft target." That about sums up the mentality of this dumbed-down society.

"Mike1233

over analyze much? must nicked a nerve

edit: spare tires arent used in massacres"

Mike, can you say strawman?

As for the rest of you; I hear you talking about fear, I hear you talking about responsibility, and I hear you talking about intelligence or lack of. Those of you calling for banning or restricting firearms are the fearful expecting someone else to take responsibility so that you don't have to exercise your intelligence. I know y'all don't like to, but just once try to THINK about it in an objective logical unemotional fashion.

I really do fail to comprehend how the families of the victims, their grief not withstanding, can hold the owners of the theater culpable in any way for the tragedy that happened.

Friedadtt, go take your worthless spam scams somewhere else. Not the time or place here!

The families are still hurting. Their opinions toward the invitations are based on no reply from the owners after the tragedy. There are always different ways to go about handeling many situations, it just depends on individual preferences. I will respect these families, because it was not my family. Plus, I do not know all the circumstances that led to their opinions. Everyone comments are well taken, their points are their opinions. Just like the man with the gun, his opinion was deadly. @

CaerRaven

I'm trying to figure out why people seem to be under this delusion that just because someone has a permit to carry that they're sane, well adjusted and may not snap

A-Federal background check

B-No one with a permit has ever done such a thing

I'm trying to figure out why people seem to be under this delusion that anyone with a gun is a hairs breadth away from "snapping".

Wonder what is playing......Django Unchained, Gangster Squad, Baytown Outlaws, Officer Down, The Last Stand. etc, etc etc....

Surely these films are good family flicks and have no violence or sexual overtones.....

Perfect Venue considering.....

I can't imagine what insanity is behind the rationalizations you offer yourselves when you go to sleep at night knowing that you can't defend yourselves or your children from a mortal threat.

And I can't imagine what it must be like to spend your life living in fear and preparing for that moment where you might be called upon to use deadly force.

Chris, that could be applied to anybody who is in security. Gaurd, Police, Military, etc.

Only a fool would believe that they fear nothing. Let me tell all you guys a story about the wolf problem in Alaska, and if you don't feel like reading, read the last paragraph, I'll sum it up down there.

Gun or not, I never feel safe because I know that the variations of death are unlimited and could happen anywhere. Guns are a way of life if you live in Alaska anywhere outside big towns like Anchorage or the port towns.

In my town in Alaska, some men are now paid as sentries as full time jobs because the wolves pass through town very often and often in large packs. We actually have sirens that blare when a pack approaches, I keep one of five armories in the back of my shop that most of the guys keep their gear in. 30 round magazines sometimes are just enough in most situations and the deal with the Police is if we keep an armory and they provide gear and ammo, we have to train with the gear, a very fine deal. Having military shaped rifle also make it much easier to access and carry compared to a Ruger mini-14 or something similar.

At first when I moved here, the town had a very bad wolf problem with the occasional bear. When I got here the Sheriff found out I was ex-military and had me put together a posse to track the wolves to their den, what we found was just a large den and we cleared out the wolves. About a year later they started coming again so we went back out to the same den and found something much more horrifying, rather than a large den, the wolves were grouping up in multiple large dens in very short distances from each other. Given the high elk population in the area we knew they would never leave no matter how many times we cleared them out.

Since then, the wolves have adapted to every measure we've put in place. They tear through fences with ease. Gunfire doesn't scare them anymore. The sirens were originally to scare them away but like with the gunfire, they just don't care anymore. We tried just locking ourselves in our houses but they just camped outside for hours. Now we just team up on the main streets and wait for them when a sentry spots a pack. A lot of people say we're crazy just for living there but the town is in an excellent trading spot where a few roads are frequented by travelers from Canada.

The whole reason we use "military style" weapons is because everything else didn't produce results and ended up getting people killed and dragged away. When people talk gun control, they think about cities and forget about the rest of the world. Gun control gets my people killed, I can't speak for others but I refuse to have someone's child told "daddy got dragged away and eaten by the wolves because the people over 4,000 miles away told him how he could defend himself."

Screw the talking hair pieces in office, we're a country away and they try to tell us what's best to defend ourselves with from the safety of their bodyguard ridden warm homes and summer beaches while we slug it out with wolves in a foot of snow. What makes them more important than you or me? I'm sure more than half of us could lead the country or deliver a speech that would send horrible politicians like Obama and Boehner out of office with their tails between their legs.

All animals are armed by nature with claws, fangs, evasive instincts, intelligence and the absence of any guilt or shame about using them to defend themselves.

An adult takes responsibility for himself in every way including protecting himself, whereas children expect to have everything done for them, so if you don't own a gun you are a child.

The founding fathers very clearly stated that the second amendment is protection of an individual right to bear arms and even stated that every citizen ought to be armed.

The idea that protection of the state from invasion is passe is beyond naive tending more toward pollyannic.

And yes I would like to know what its like to go to sleep at night knowing that you are helpless in the face of mortal danger with no hope of receiving help in time to save you...

Seems insane considering that owning a gun and knowing how to use it would be all that is needed to remedy the situation and increase the odds of living in the event that self protection become necessary.

Suppose you are in a theater or a school or the mall when a deranged shooter opens fire; Would you rather have a gun and a chance to stop the massacre or would you rather run away while people die all around you?

QUOTES FROM FOUNDING FATHERS REGARDING GUNS:

"And that said Constitution be never construed to authorize
Congress...to prevent the people of the Unites States, who are
peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms..." SAM ADAMS, in
the Philadelphia Independent Gazetteer, Aug. 20, 1789.

"To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of the
people always possess arms and be taught alike, especially when
young, how to use them..."  RICHARD HENRY (LIGHT HORSE HARRY)
LEE, writing in Letters from the Federal Farmer to the Republic
(1787-1788)

"On every question of construction [of the Constitution] let us
carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was
adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates, and
instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text,
or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it
was passed." THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to William Johnson, June
12, 1823, found in The Complete Jefferson, p. 322

"The whole of the Bill [of Rights] is a declaration of the right
of the people at large or considered as individuals... It
establishes some rights of the individual as unalienable and
which consequently, no majority has a right to deprive them of."
ALBERT GALLATIN of the NY Historical Society, October 7, 1789.

"...the people have a right to keep and bear arms."  PATRICK
HENRY AND GEORGE MASON, Elliot, Debates at 185

"No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms."  THOMAS
JEFFERSON, Proposal for a Virginia Constitution, 1 T. Jefferson
Papers, 334 (C.J. Boyd, Ed. 1950)

"As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before
them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which
must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert
their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people
are confirmed by the article in their right to keep and bear
their private arms." TENCH COXE in "Remarks on the First Part of
the Amendments to the Federal Constitution," under the pseudonym
"A Pennsylvanian" in the Philadelphia Federal Gazette, June 18,
1789.

"Last Monday a string of amendments were presented to the lower
house; these altogether respect personal liberty..." Sen. WILLIAM
GRAYSON of Virginia in a letter to Patrick Henry.

"The people are not to be disarmed of their weapons.  They are
left in full possession of them."  ZACHARIA JOHNSON, 3 Elliot,
Debates at 646.

"A free people ought...to be armed..."  GEORGE WASHINGTON, speech
of Jan. 7, 1790 in the Boston Independent Chronicle, Jan. 14,
1790.

"The best we can hope for concerning the people at large is that
they be properly armed."  ALEXANDER HAMILTON, The Federalist
Papers at 184-8.

"The great object is that every man be armed.  Everyone who is
able might have a gun."  PATRICK HENRY, 3 Elliot, Debates at 386.

"A strong body makes the mind strong.  As to the species of
exercises, I advise the gun.  While this gives moderate exercise
to the body, it gives boldness, enterprise and independence to
the mind.  Games played with the ball and others of that nature,
are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind.
Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks."
THOMAS JEFFERSON, Encyclopedia of T. Jefferson, 318 (Foley, Ed.,
1967)

"The supposed quietude of a good man allures the ruffian; while
on the other hand, arms like laws discourage and keep the invader
and plunderer in awe, and preserve order in the world as well as
property.  The same balance would be preserved were all the world
destitute of arms, for all would be alike;  but since some will
not, others dare not lay them aside... Horrid mischief would
ensue were one half the world deprived of the use of them..."
THOMAS PAINE, I Writings of Thomas Paine at 56 (1894)

"Arms in the hands of citizens [may] be used at individual
discretion... in private self defense..."  JOHN ADAMS, A Defense
of the Constitutions of the Government of the USA, 471 (1788)

"A militia, when properly formed are in fact the people
themselves...and include all men capable of bearing arms."
RICHARD HENRY (LIGHT HORSE HARRY) LEE, Additional Letters from
the Federal Farmer (1788) at 169.

"What, sir, is the use of a militia?  It is to prevent the
establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty."  Rep.
ELBRIDGE GERRY of Massachusetts, I annals of Congress at 750
(August 17, 1789).

"I ask, sir, what is the militia?  It is the whole people, except
for a few public officials."     George Mason, 3 Elliot, Debates
at 425-426.

"The right of the people to keep and bear...arms shall not be
infringed.  A well regulated militia, composed of the people,
trained to arms is the best and most natural defense of a free
country..."  JAMES MADISON, 1 Annals of Congress 434 (June 8,
1789).

"Besides the advantage of being armed, which the Americans
possess over the people of almost every other nation...
Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several
kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public
resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the
people with arms."  JAMES MADISON, Federalist Papers, #46.

"Have we the means of resisting disciplined armies, when our only
defence, the militia, is put in the hands of Congress?"  PATRICK
HENRY, 3 Elliot Debates at 48.

"And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are
not warned from time to time, that this people preserve the
spirit of resistance?  Let them take arms... The tree of liberty
must be refreshed from time to time, with the blood of patriots
and tyrants."  THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to William S. Smith,
1787, in S. Padover (Ed.), Jefferson, On Democracy (1939), p. 20.

"Congress have no power to disarm the militia.  Their swords, and
every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the
birth-right of an American... [T]he unlimited power of the sword
is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments,
but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of
the people."  TENCH COXE,  Pennsylvania Gazette, Feb. 20, 1788.

 "Are we at last brought to such a humiliating and debasing
degradation, that we cannot be trusted with arms for our own
defense?  Where is the difference between having our arms in our
possession and under our own direction, and having them under the
management of Congress?  If our defense be the real object of
having those arms, in whose hands can they be trusted more
propriety, or equal safety to us, as in our own hand?"  PATRICK
HENRY,  3 Elliot Debates 168-169.

i hate to say it but its time to move on. i mean should we have just left the rubble there after 911? No. ladies and gentlemen its time to move on. get over yourselves. people die in factories every day. companies dont shut down forever.

They still have a right to their opinion and free speech wether you agree or not.

How rude of these people. They get a nice offer to come and bring a guest and slam it. If they don't wish to attend just don't go or send your thanks but regrets note. An even classier gesture would be to offer their tickets to someone who can not afford to see a movie...pay it forward.

Of course the families of the shooting victims didn't expect the theatre to never open again. What they're upset about is being invited to the re-opening, which I can understand. That's like offering them an invitation to see where their loved ones were gunned down. And, for those of you who say it's time to "move on", that can be so easy to say when it's not our loved ones who have died.

If the theater had opened and not made any effort to reach out to families of victims we would be reading a story about how offended they are to not be invited. For this theater everything is going to be a lose-lose proposition. Just do business as usual.

jake2247: the families of the victims aren't opposed to the theater re-opening. They're aware that this is a business decision and that the community wants it to happen. What they're angry about is that Cinemark made NO attempt to reach out to the families after the shootings - and now they want to use the families for a publicity stunt. If I had lost a family member, I would be just as disgusted as these folks are.

I sympathize with the families of the victims, but the movie theater chain was doing what all of the other movie chains do. They are no more guilty than any other movie chain.

It's time to put the blame where it belongs, - on the perpetrator.

@RTyp0

They still have a right to their opinion and free speech wether you agree or not.

What gives them the right to their opinion?? The First Amendment.

Just as the Second Amendment gives us the right to KEEP and Bare Arms. Something that you have identified in previous statements are quick to take away.

I'm glad the theatre is reopening. In a follow-up to the Conneticut schoolshooting a national television reporter visited the theatre and I was stunned to see the entire building roped-off and thought what a cost to the theatre to have it just sitting there. I'm sorry some of the families of the primary victims were offended, but thought that the owners and employees were victims of the perpetrator's action, too. The theatre's approach to victim's families was not ideal and long in coming, but to me, those who protested are venting poorly and against the wrong folks.

I think this is a case of the victims family using this event as publicity to strengthen their lawsuits against the Movie theater. I feel very sorry for the victims of this mad man and I hope the ones that survived heal and can move on with their live, to the ones that have seen this as a way to make a quick buck, I have nothing left for you. The theater is doing the right thing, if it didn't reopen the mad man wins.

Agreed...and I'm sick of seeing people "cash in" on grief. Survive and sue. It wasn't the theatre's fault. Blame rests squarely on the shoulders of the perp.

I think its rude for anyone to blame the movie theatre. If you always put the blame on everything but where it really goes than NOTHING will get fixed and nothing will change! People need to be aware of mental health issues that could progress to this point. We need to get after the Medical field to allow more help to people that try to commit people! This comes from all the people that are so worried about mentally challenged people! You need to be worried about the people they could harm. How about all the women killed by crazy men whe they try to leave them? They try to get help and are told no one can do anything until something happens. Well, these are the kinds of things that can happen and this is one of them!

On december 04, 2012 , I was present when a man had a heart attack and I performed chest compressions for 12 minutes untill the Emergency response people arrived. I was on the phone with 911 operators for 10 of those minutes while I was doing the chest compressions on the man who died 2 days later.

When Seconds count, the police are only Minutes away.

True Story....

I have noticed that sometimes, when I am driving down a rural road, that there are crosses placed where people died, is that an insult too?

Rtypo, your comments are pointless and self centered. Just because someone may have the right to do something does not make it right. Until you and your brainless friends learn a few basic facts about life and getting along with others we will always have these disagreements. Grow up!!

If the theater had opened and not made any effort to reach out to families of victims we would be reading a story about how offended they are to not be invited.

I was thinking the same thing. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

Disturbed-840009

Just as the Second Amendment gives us the right to KEEP and Bare Arms.

I was totally unaware that the Second Amendment had anything to do with my clothing covering or not covering my arms and elbows.

Just as the Second Amendment gives us the right to KEEP and Bare Arms. Something that you have identified in previous statements are quick to take away.

Wrong. I own guns. Added restrictions to assault rifles and limiting what the public can purchase is not an affront to the second amendment. Just because I can't buy a rocket propelled grenade launcher from a gun store, that's not a restriction of my 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms.

And there are restrictions to the first amendment as well. You can't yell "fire" in a crowded place or threaten others with bodily harm or their life. This takes away nothing from freedom of speech.

Yes, I can imagine the hoopla if the theatre has a reopening event and did not acknowledge the people who lost loved ones in some way. An invitation is not an order to attend and buy popcorn. I saw nothing offensive in the invitation. It is a gesture of remembrance (with counselors even) and I think those who got offended by this owe us all an apology because they are discouraging kindly intended gestures. If the theatre gave tours of the place to morbid thrill seekers, now that would be an offensive gesture. And I sincerely hope that all businesses are not made to feel that they have to post armed guards all the place or get sued if a mentally unbalanced person decided to do something horrible on the premises. What kind of society is that?

There are a lot of politicians calling for stricter gun laws. These politicians have their own armed security and most Senators and Congressmen and women have concealed carry permits. So the "special" people should have the ability to protect themselves but all us common folk should not have that right. The disconnect between the government and the people is expanding everyday.

w bates, Get a life! Appearently, you must live in a nice cottled community where nothing happens! Don't worry, your time may come! I live in Webster, NY and we will never forget what happened to our brave firemen/police officers! The healing process is long term! So be careful how you use the term, "time to move on people"!

Live to Ride, I agree. But, I hope nothing else deadly will happen in our communities. There are many different religions in this world, when will they reach everyone conscious?

I have donated money to religions, so far the leaders are multimillionaires. Why are there still millions of poor people? Is everybody mentally ill? Will wars and murders and greed ever stop? I do not know, maybe this is what borned in a world of sin is all about.@

The residents of Aurora were asked to weigh in and vote on whether to tear the building down, build a memorial, or redesign the theatre and re-open. The majority voted for the latter. My daughter is an Aurora resident and received this invitation to vote. It's a hard one to call. Not sure if I would have voted at all. But DO know I will never step foot into this spooky ass theatre.

While the theater seemed to have good intentions, I think Steve is absolutely correct. It was not prudent to contact the victims families as it would only evoke anger.

Steve,The theater is a business and this is what good businesses do.I'm sure they didn't intend on infuriating anybody but were simply making a nice gesture to these people.After all,what is it that they can do about this tragedy?They were not responsible for it.

I would reserve judgment until I saw how the invitation was worded. They do have to re-open eventually. It seems disrespectful NOT to let the victims' families in before all the gawkers come out to see "where it all went down." The article did say they would have counselors on hand.

So they offered to screen a free movie after the event. They're a theater. It's what they do. Would you prefer coupons to Jack-in-the-Box? Free Ford Fiestas? No matter what they offered, it would be viewed as an insult.

Sad thing is... had the theater owner NOT invited the families, they'd be up in arms as to why they weren't invited...

Sad how we Americans love to complain about everything.

My brother was murdered, and it took me a long time to pass the place where he was murdered without having horrible memories surface. It is still raw I'm sure for the families, but what is the business to do? Their kind of between a rock and a hard place. Someone should explain this to the business as well as the families, so no hard feelings are left behind.

I'll have to say, inviting the victims families back to the theater does seem to be a bad idea!

If the theater folks didn't at least make the effort, the families would be angry just the same. It's a lose-lose situation.

Exactly RbJk...If the theatre had ignored the families and re-opened, then they would be screaming for being ignored.

You can't please some people.

And now some idiot is filing a lawsuit against the State of CT for the murders at the School. The School system is no more responsible than the theatre is.

Or give out free rifles to the first 150 customers.. Hey, they do it in Montana and other red states. Open a bank account and get a free firearm. At the bank itself even.

RTypo,

You Moron, this is not about Red or Blue states. Of course we all know you are a libtard now.

RTypo - what a perfect moniker - you are just a typo to be ingnored because it has no value......

Hey, they do it in Montana and other red states.

Dumb statement. While I'm fed up with the gun-toting hicks running around, I'm willing to bet most (if not ALL) of these random shootings are not by LEGAL gun owners.

Disturbed: Hug?

Good point rbjk, but I'll bet the weapons and ammo involved in those shootings came from a legal source to begin with.

rbjko174s - are you referring to rtypo in your "gun-toting hick" statement or the 180 million americans that own over 300 million guns LEGALLY??? Isn't it humorous how people run their mouths on the internet. Go to Texas and call the next guy you see with an AR in his rifle rack on his truck a "gun toting hick" and see what happens. It is apparent that you suffer from the same mental disorientation and elitist attitute that you see on CNN and NBC everyday, which is believing that people who own guns and do NOT want the government messing with them are a "hick". As far as Red and Blue states go, are you aware than much of our military comes from RED states?? Guess they're gun-toting hicks as well.

i sure wish Texas would declare war at the border they are really letting the rest of the states be invaded...need to protect your state from this illegal foreign invasion...yupp we the people with a leader like we have are losing more rights every day...undocumented my ass Mr.Obama...

Ignore Rtypo. He's referring to a scene in the Michael Moore documentary "Bowling for Columbine."

And we all know how reliable that source is.

William,Well said and I agree 100%.

Well said William - 360414! Where are peoples manner's now-a-days? It's difficult to feel empathy for these family members when clearly they took a private matter (aka the theater offering them free admission via a letter sent to them personally ) and exposed it for public scrutiny while attempting to spin the invitation into something vile and mean spirited. A simple and private "no thank you" is all that was necessary.

These families probably unwittingly just insured this theater will have a very successful re-opening night!

If we fund mental health, whos is gong to pay for all the free medical care for the illegals. They get all sorts of medical freebies. A friend of mine is a dentist. All day long he works for the state filling and pulling teeth. They have no money but but roll up in brand new Ford 150s and Expeditions, cell phones, 10,000 dollar hub caps and spinners, and 200 dollar double and triple strollers. Never thought of it though, the good thing is they don't speak English and too stupid to operate a computer so I won't be seeing the here. Ever give an illegal instructions. If they say yeah yeah yeah, you are in trouble. Never give them anything attached to a motor either. They'll screw it up ten times faster.

Why is it always "Gun Control" or "Mental Health"??

How about, PARENTS? Had this man's parents been IN his life, they'd be able to teach him right from wrong. Parents, these days, spend far to much time worring about themselves and NOT enough time BEING parents to their children.

You want to blame someoen? Blame the guys parents... Start THERE with your law suites...

Ok Nuclear Waste, we get your message. You can't stand illegals. So do a lot of hard-working Americans. So what do illegals have to do with providing more help for the mentally ill? Do you really think that illegals are the reasons there is no funding for mental health? Even those who pay for medical insurance only have limited access to mental health care because insurance only covers a very tiny portion of mental health cost.

Sadden, I have to disagree with you. Parents can teach the difference between right and wrong, but the mentally ill can be incapable of differentiating the two. Furthermore, if an adult refuses mental health care, there is not a darn thing a parent. They cannot force them to get mental health care. Perhaps, parents can try to get the mentally ill declared incompetent, but it is not an easy task.

While I'm sure the theatre meant well, it does seem a bit callous given the circumstances. That being said, the tragedy was in no way the fault of the theatre.

@William-360414

You're placing the blame in the wrong place. The blame is with groups like the ACLU and others, along with courts that will not allow mentally disturbed people to be treated if they refuse. It's not a matter of legislators not wanting to fund treatment.

In the Milwaukee area there were 34 incidents of people driving the wrong way on the expressway and causing the deaths of innocent people. 30 of these people cannot read english and are illegal aliens, the others were drunk. so what do we do? close the expressway?

put up signs in 40 foreign languages? This is america and there are criminals from over 40 other countrys coming here to do their crimes.

Obama* and the Democrats needed their votes so they are criminally negligent. or say that the Highway Department is culpable?

Any business that posts signs that do not allow weapons on their property MUST be liable for providing security. Just like this cinema; ALL the law abiding citizens followed the rules and it cost them their lives. Same thing with the schools. ALL the law abiding students and faculty died because they followed the law. Bad people DON'T follow rules or the law....DUH!! Protect yourself or become a victim...it's that simple.

Why is not PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY ever an option?. Do you people realize how many People in this country are being treated for some form of mental illness or another? Should they all be locked up, and/or not be allowed to have guns?

Stop blaming the guns, the parents, and Mental Health Issues.

BLAME THE SHOOTER and ONLY THE SHOOTER.

yes you do, all the time in fact

Robert, I expect the government to get legislation in place so that I, who pay for medical insurance, can get mental health care if I need it! Blame the perpetrator, not the parents. Some parents do all they can for their children, but when an adult child does not want to get help for mental illness, parents can't force them to get help. Mental illness does not equate to poor parenting!

People First,Good comments and well written.

Jo Griffith,Thank you for sharing.You are a level headed person with compassion.I'm sorry about your husband.

Just curious, do you think the lawsuits they have on the cinema will help?

@Jo Griffith

My heart breaks for the families of these victims, but life goes on. I cannot make their grief any less intense and neither can the company.

It will take alot longer before the anger goes away, but it will. I promise.

Their anger will subside, it will never go away. The problem here is that their anger is misplaced! My son was murdered 23 years ago, and there is no one to be angry at besides the murdering felon who shouldn't have been out in the free world. Not the courts, not the parole board, not the system.

The parents already have filed lawsuits for lack of security. I wonder what their justification is going to be. Stealing popcorn or sneaking the back door.

They should join the IRA and voice their opinion about arming teachers or guards in schools.

@Nuclear Waste

They should join the IRA and voice their opinion about arming teachers or guards in schools.

What the hell does the Irish Republican Army have to do with this?

OldDog47,

I was wondering the same thing. Does the IRA stand guard at schools in Ireland?

Join the IRA.... Wow! Those gun toters show their stupidity and why the rest of the world should be concerned about them.

SPOT ON.

If someone was killed in your house, would you demolish it too?

Why demolish the theatre? What would that accomplish, other than to give the shooter more recognition.

Why John? Was Columbine Demolished? Will the grammar school in Ct be demolished? Was VA Tech Demolished?

That's just ridiculous.

Hey John....Sandy Hook opened for class today!!! Are you going to say something ignorant about that? You are nothing more than a low class assH0le!!!

I'm not going to compare tragedies or get into some "deck chair on the Titanic" debate over this-one-is-worse-than-that-one. Rest assured, however one feels about them, the lawsuits out of Newtown will happen, it's just a matter of time.

There is already a lawyer seeking permission to sue Newtown (or rather Connecticut), the child only heard something over the loud speaker and the lawyer wants to sue for 100 million for this 1 family. The lawyer needs permission however because Connecticut requires it.

I think both tragedies are absolutely horrid, neither worse than the other. However, blame should lie with the killer. It's not like either place just opened their doors and welcomed those psychopaths in. I understand being angry and heart-broken but let's keep the blame where it belongs.

HARTFORD, Conn. (AP) - A Connecticut attorney seeking to sue the state for $100 million on behalf of a 6-year-old survivor of the Newtown school massacre has withdrawn the claim - at least for now.

The Stamford Advocate reports that Irving Pinsky withdrew the lawsuit but says he might refile. He says he received new evidence on security at Sandy Hook Elementary School and is reviewing it.

Pinsky last week asked to sue the state, saying his client suffered "emotional and psychological trauma and injury" during the shooting rampage that killed 20 children and six adults. He says state officials failed to prevent his client from foreseeable harm.

The state attorney general said Monday there appears to be no basis to support the suit or the state's liability.

Mike.... I wish we could get rid of the ambulance chasing lawyers.... OMFG.... I wouldn't be a bit surprised if Mr. Pinsky contacted anyone he could find who was hospitalized just to cash in on the law suit... Sweet deal.... 33% of 100million if the state settles out of court.... more like 60% if it goes to trial and he wins...

So many attorneys are nothing but circling vultures....in my opinion...

If you lost anyone in any shooting incident, that will be the worst incident for you. To those of us who didn't lose anyone, Conn., probably, sounds the worst because most of the victims were so young. I cannot imagine the pain felt by a parent who has lost a child, whether the child was 5 or 55. Parent's aren't supposed to have to bury their children.

I am sure that most of those who were injured or who lost someone in one of the incidents, initially, blamed the shooter. When the lawyers get into it the dynamic changes. The shooter doesn't have much money, probably, not enough to entice a lawyer to make any real effort but, if they can blame the business, school, gun manufacturer, ammunition manufacturer and anyone else they feel they can point a finger at in some way a lawyer can make millions.

A few million dollars won't replace a loved one but, it can pay for the lawyers Mercedes, his/her kids college, the best vacations money can buy and, why live in a gated community when you can afford your own estate.

You want to see lawsuits? just wait..

Title 42 chapter 1983 usc makes it a federal Offence to use a law, ordinance, regulation or other rule to deprive people of their rights.

Look it up. and then read the sign on the door that prohibits you from exersizing your rights to ccw or be otherwise armed.

Criminals do not pay attention or comply with the signs, do they? Victims do.

@Lisa from Wayland

So many attorneys are nothing but circling vultures....in my opinion...

You mean in your very correct opinion!

@tiredofhypocrites-794827

I cannot imagine the pain felt by a parent who has lost a child, whether the child was 5 or 55. Parent's aren't supposed to have to bury their children.

I can. Some vulture lawyer suing anyone with deep pockets isn't going to do anything for the pain of those who lost a child! The lengths that some people will go to in order to cash in on a tragedy never ceases to amaze me.

"Gun epidemic"? More like crazed shooter epidemic. When I was young, high school kids (in this small town) brought their hunting guns to school for show and tell in speech class and kept them on the gun racks in the windows of their pickups. There were no school shootings. But it's easy just to blame the guns. Causes are so much more than the presence of a gun. People dismiss movies and video games, yet a movie like Rambo acts out personal rage using guns, demonstrating the very act itself in a kind of self-justifying and heroic portrayal. But simply possessing and handling a gun never instilled in me a desire to go shoot people. Perhaps an assault rifle style would in some people, but there are other things going on as well if that's the case. Perhaps too much firepower available in some guns for some people, yet in the right person's hands harmless. I'm rambling so I'll quit. Nothing personal, just thoughtful conversation.

Boy, you went from giggly to hate in a bout 10 seconds. Don't suffer from road rage by any chance do you.

Why would anyone "hate" movies? So you lost 2 hours of your life at age 9 and are still dwelling on it? Age 9! Really?

Quell thinks it's all about him/her. Hates movies? Or just hates......

You're awesome Quell! But then people think I'm a little different as well :)

Quell, I get you, although we have a slightly different take on movie entertainment, such that it is. I don't dislike movies, per se. I dislike unimaginative, made for the masses, excuses for for movies, as well as movie theaters full of tasteless, over-priced food substitutes and rude, gassy and chatty movie-goers. I don't care to be jammed into an uncomfortable seat for 1 - 2 hours, on average, with the entire first portion being dedicated to advertisements. I don't care to sit that close and that long next to people I don't know from Adam. I'm not talking about a phobia here, I'm talking about my personal preference to be highly selective with my movie choices and, further, to watch said movie choices in the privacy of my own home without having to literally rub elbows with people I neither know nor want to know. The things that pass for entertainment these days can be and often are just plain pathetic.

Try breaking in and stealing the pot.

I also am a Coloradan and I agree completely with you. We aren't the only ones who have suffered losses. I think that "No thank you " is the appropriate response. As for James Holmes and knowing the Denver/Aurora police and seen them in action, my question is: why did you let that son of a bitch walk out of there? He could have very easily "taken his own life" like they usually do. Shouldn't have let him walk, should have taken him down like a sick animal that he is. Maybe not exactly the graceful way to handle that particular situation, but certainly the correct way.

There isn't no NRA below the border or in Tripoli. Seems like gun control is working well there. Most illegals don't want to return to that corrupt country.

N Waste,

Gun control is working great in Western countries developed similarly to the USA.

Assault rifles are used in less than 1% of gun violence let alone overall violence. This debate isn't about preventing violence this is about control. Pandora's box was open long ago...and you can't put the gun back in it. New gun laws will not prevent these tragedies. Be thankful this guy didn't do any online reading on bomb making or lethal gases that can be made or more people would have died.

Change the headline and see if we would be having any of these gun control conversations..."armed gunman shot and killed by .....security guard.....or armed citizen". The answer is no because it would barely be a headline for more than a day.

My prayers are for every family who has lost a loved one to any sort of violence.

What we are seeing thanks to the “if it bleeds, it leads”
media is an “assault weapon” mass hysteria. The media would have you believe
that there is an unprecedented epidemic of violent crime sweeping the nation
and that the so called assault rifle is the go-to weapon of choice for
criminals of every ilk. The truth is that there is a very specific definition
to the term “assault rifle” and that these particular weapons are subject to
some very strict regulation as a result of legislation passed in 1934 and 1986.
Furthermore, the violent crime rate has been dropping steadily from a record high
of 758.2 persons per 100,000 in 1991 to 383.3 per 100,000 in 2011; a change of -49.1%.
The murder rate in the U.S. is around 4.7 per 100,000 and rifles of all types,
semi-automatic and scary looking or otherwise, are used in about 0.1 per
100,000 murders. So while it will likely never make the news, America is actually
enjoying some success in crime reduction and control. Saying so however, does
not support the pre-conceived notions and political agendas of those who have
already devised them and are set to implement them. “You never want a serious crisis to go to
waste”.

Source: FBI Uniform Crime Reports-Violent Crime and Property
Crime 1960 – 2010; Crime in the United States by Region, Geographic Division,
and State 2010 – 2011; Murder Victims by Weapon 2006 – 2010.

Pio Dal Cin: You mean SEMI-automatic. There is a big difference. Full auto are not made for purchase by the public.

actually tobyboy i live in ohio and the firing range/gun store down the road from me (of wich i am a member) does sell fully automatic thompson machine guns ar15s and uzi's but they are prohibitively expensive and i think you do have to register them with the atf

They should allow people to sue lawyers for being the scumbags that they are.

Exactly, but if there is money to be made by scumb bag lawyers, you know the answer to that.

And, nobody is talking about the college he attended and the psychologist he had been seeing, people who had an opportunity to observe him first hand. We are all looking to blame while at the same time being careful not to become too involved because of liability. If you try too hard to help people with their mental state, there's a fear of liability if we fail so we end up not getting too close or involved in people's problems. A strange paradox. People need help but we're afraid of trying to do too much and getting sued. Here's an idea, if someone wants to end their life in a 'blaze of glory' or 'suicide by cop' they could sign a waiver, go to a special camp where they could run around with a gun and serve as target practice for SWAT training teams. They could go berserk, shoot, get shot, and no innocents are harmed in the process. Not sure why I picked here to reply, your comment is great, I'm not trying to argue.

I agree, but common sense from them or others have to click in sooner or later. Maybe not. That has to be some hard duty or cross to bear.

I totally agree with this, I don't blame either side for saying what they're saying, a truly horrific event and if was me I would decline. Having said that I don't blame the family for saying no, and I'm sure that after more time passes they will understand that the owners had nothing to do with the tragedy, and their offer, while maybe premature and not particularly well thought out,, was certainly not intended to insult, hurt, or cash in on the shootings. I believe it was an honest attempt to reach out to the families (albeit in a very misguided way, I'm sure all the families believe the building should be bulldozed)

No matter what he did or did not offer, it would not be the "right" thing for the families. If they had chosen to not acknowledge it, they would have been ridiculed because they did choose to acknowledge it, they are being ridiculed. There is no right or wrong way to respond to this. There are families that are hurting and they are going to lash out at the easiest target. It is called grief and everyone walks through it differently.

So you're in favor of the status quo, as long as we remain aware of the need for change? You must be a career politician.

Suing the Cinemark is wrong. My heart goes out to the victims and their families but Cinemark Theaters were in no way at fault for what that psycho did. I have never been in a theater that has had security. When we choose to go into a public place that is a risk we all take. None of us know when our last day will be. We could walk across the street and get hit by a car. Would you sue the city for not having proper security to protect us from idiot drivers? The city is no more at fault for something like that than the movie theater is for that sick freak sneaking his way into the building. The blame lies in the shooter only. No one else. The fact that the Cinemark invited the victims families back I think was a really nice gesture. It could be a good step in the healing process. I think this was their way of showing their condolences. I am sorry to those who lost their love ones, my heart goes out to them but behaving the way some of them are is uncalled for in my opinion. If my child or loved one was taken in such a way. I would go. When my boyfriend was hit by a car and killed. I went to the side of the road and left flowers there every week for months. I felt close to him there for some reason. It was a good source of healing for me. But that's me, I know everyone is different. But I think the movie theaters did a nice thing. Also, messing with our rights to bear arms is not the answer to this problem. Taking away peoples right to own guns not only to protect ourselves from crazy people and from even our own government if needed, but a lot of people love to hunt and collect guns. Just because we have a select few out there who are crazy does not give the government a right to break the 2nd amendment. Does anyone else find it interesting that at the same time our government is trying to disarm America all these shootings happen to take place?