Detroit's Mayor Bing is a vocal member of Mayor Bloomberg's "Mayors Against Illegal Guns"...problem is, is that they continually go against law abiding gun owners....

Detroit is the Poster City for everything wrong with Progressivism....It will soon be under the Supervision of the State.

Michigan is now a Right-to-work State, Citizens have a right to carry concealed weapons.....very similar rules to those in Florida :

"People in Michigan are legally allowed to defend themselves with deadly force provided imminent harm --- such as death, severe injury or sexual assault --- are about to occur. Michigan also has no requirement for people to retreat. If someone is under attack in a place he is legally allowed to be present, he may stand his ground and defend himself. For those who carry concealed weapons, they may not be in their home when they need to use them, which protects them should they refuse to run away."

Read more: Michigan Law on Concealed Weapons | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/info_8202847_michigan-law-concealed-weapons.html#ixzz2GwJue8u8

It will take a little time....to clear out the decades old riff-raff and to Detroit's Corrupt Politicians....

For whom does the bell toll ??......It tolls for thee......your corruption days are numbered

Mayor Bing never really had a chance with the status-quo...I don't know all that much about him but I think he may be a man of principle and given the right support might be able to help lead the turnaround.....

I wonder why there is no description of the shooter ?

I heard if Obama had a son, he would look just like him

Just imagine the murder rate if there were actually people left in Detroit. When I think of Detroit I think of the Kurt Russel movie Escape from New York. Which is cool. It is cool to have an actual city like that. We should completely cover the city with cameras and mics so we can log in and view it 24/7. First we would have to build an impenetrable fence around it and then plant a 1 million dollar briefcase somewhere and say finders keepers.

No description of the shooter eh? Welcome back MSNBC...god I missed ya;)

YOU, are a riot.

Some Guy...only an idiot would assume cars were manufactured to kill people. I suppose you think guns were manufactured to look pretty on a shelf?

Here is a quick Kindergarten lesson for you: cars were manufactured for transportation; guns were manufactured for killing. I rest my case in point.

2.2...i believe you missed the sarcasm... oops!

I suppose you think guns were manufactured to look pretty on a shelf?

Why else would they make all those neat racks and cases for them?

cars were manufactured for transportation; guns were manufactured for killing.

And cars with gun turrets were manufactured for killing on the go! What a convenience!.

I rest my case in point.

I don't even remember if I flubbed my idioms that badly when I was in kindergarten.

iownaniroc... YOU, are a riot.

That's spelled "idiot".

Although he was right about being awesome. I'm constantly in awe of the number of morons who think they're being clever by wanting to ban everything. 

That's so.... kindergarten. Especially after the 100,000th time.
Yes, boy, you're awesome!

That's spelled "idiot".

not to mention he'd have to change the 'a' to an 'an' so it would be, "YOU, are an idiot".

I'm constantly in awe of the number of morons who think they're being clever by wanting to ban everything.

Next time I'll make sure to properly tag it with <sarc> and </sarc>.

Yes, boy, you're awesome!

Really?

Guns are manufactured to SHOOT, not kill. Just because they are used in that capacity does not mean they were designed with that in mind. They can be used for target shooting, skeet shooting, all kinds of marksmanship competitions, etc.. I was in the military for 10 years and never shot anyone. I did shoot a lot of targets though...

When a scum bag confronts you to rob or do you harm just tell him you don't believe in self protection and he will go away. NOT

I rest my case in point.

Truly, the best thing I've read on newsvine in a good long time.

I rest my case in point.

peteMT

I have a Case. Trapper with carbon stee blades. Damned good pocket knife. I always close it though. Never , ever rest it with the point out. Fold it always, it's razor sharp.

So just who is going to pay for all the drugs you think addicts should get from doctors? The addict? Let me guess. You think the taxpayers should foot the bill for the poor drug addict? If the taxpayers aren't paying for it then you're back to the addict robbing and killing people to get the money to pay for his drugs that are administered by a doctor. If you think the taxpayers are going to be willing to foot the bill for a junkie I'm afraid you'll be disappointed.

You can take them out of the jungle, but... they just build a new jungle.

LOL, cat.

Yes, animals will be animals and no amount in welfare payments can change that.

Liberal "utopias" kill people.

Guns do kill people especially in South Chicago, South LA, Detroit, Atlanta and Philadelphia.

What do these areas have in common?

Hey! NYC no longer mentioned when it comes to high murder rates :D

@cunical... A lot of pawn shops?

@ cunical.... Bullet proof glass?

Hey, so long as we're profiling certain areas for their proclivity towards gun violence can we also profile all those suburan and rural areas where they're cooking up big batches of crystal meth for their child molestation parties? If you don't know which areas I'm talking about look for the regions still worshiping the Confederate flag and are stockpiling arsenals of assault rifles for their next bout of home-grown terrorism.

I wonder what those people have in common... Oh, that's right; we don't profile those guys for their instances of crime like we do everyone else. They're SPECIAL and need SPECIAL HELP

go ahead and profile. Most of them are correct.. not always, but most.

Black- lazy and non law abiding

Redneck- hard working, has a lot of guns, wouldn't dream of hurting a child or another decent person that hasn't broken the law

Big city- liberal

rural areas- conservative

Why would you want to molest a child while on Meth? From what I have heard & read, you couldn't get a woody on that stuff if you had duct tape & a pencil.

Do you think MSNBC will ever post stories of legal gun owners stopping home invasions, robberies, protecting themselves and their families, and disabling/killing attackers?

What a day that would be. Both sides of the issue, clearly reported.

Two days after the rampaging lunatic killed so many innocent children and people at Sandy Hook Elementary in Connecticut, there was another lunatic who started shooting in a restaurant trying to kill his ex-fiancée; and then he chased many of the other patrons into another movie theater with plans to kill more people there. Why wasn’t it in the national over just the local news … because an off duty San Antonio Texas peace officer took him out with a nasty old gun … and that goes against the liberal 'Anti-Gun' agenda to report it.

Good point!

Right because I'm sure both the cab driver and the woman would've been well versed in returning fire from the interior of a car, while under fire, with 4+ foot long weapons.

A fantastic case for the deregulation of Short Barreled Rifles. I'm with you!

you are all underestimating the required retaliatory firepower... where my grenades at?!

Now, this wouldn't have happened if both the cabbie and the lady passenger had been carrying assault rifles.

She had one, it was just in her purse and she didn't have time to whip it out.

I would like to see that. Maybe it would work.

Unions, liberal policies and corrupt socialist politicians made Detroit the paradise it is Today.

Did they make you the bigoted idiot you are today, too? 

gawd..... Why don't you move there since you share the same mentality as the fools that lived there and the prisoners trapped there? I am certain you would endorse every policy there. After all I am certain you think the "gun man" is a victim too? Its not his fault.. he was "entitled."

navyvet98....

I live in Detroit and you couldn't be further from the truth as to why the city is in the shape it's in today. But don't let that stop you from spouting off the ridiculous right-wing puppeteer remarks of the the string holder you so limpishly bow down to.

For the record, we do not have strict gun controls here in Detroit. Again, that's just you saying whatever you want to fit your silly little agenda in this comment section. Maybe you should run for congress if you're such a shill and all?

BTW - you're exactly the type of person that would come to Detroit and get yourself in a heap of trouble because you have such little knowledge in how the real world works. Instead you sit back and cast stones from the confines of your posh little computer room. So typical it barely phases me anymore.

Yeah downgrade.....the conservatives destroyed Detroit. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the great society welfare garbage that destroyed the black family, the coleman young and 40 years of utterly corrupt, LIBERAL democratic rule, the pothead unions, and the collapse of the NEA-backed schools. Nothing at all to do with them.

May I enquire as to how navyvet's comment was bigoted? Defamatory of unionized, liberal, corrupt paradise, yeah.

But bigoted?

Downgraded

"I live in Detroit"

Well they say recognizing the problem is the first step to recovery. Speaking of judgmental and bias your name says it all. So I am sorry but I cannot consider the opinion of a societal leech offering advice. Just drink your kool-aid and do not even try and delude yourself that you are anything of consequence. You are just a slave

You talks as if living in Detroit makes you some sort of super human. In truth, you could not live where I live. Here you are expected to support yourself and your family, to be independent and self-reliant. You know .... A MAN

At one time the City Of Detroit was the City of Industry. What happened? Why did the jobs leave? Why does Deroit have one of the highest rates of violent crime? Why is it such a hole?

yes godly one, it does have a lot to do with the reason we are the way we are. I wasn't nearly as opinionated and prejudice until I grew up and started paying taxes. Property taxes and payroll taxes really pushed me in this terrible direction of not wanted to support the trash that does nothing constructive anymore

navyvet98

Just drink your kool-aid and do not even try and delude yourself that you are anything of consequence. You are just a slave

Oh, the Kool Aid line. How original. Ever try to debate with your own thoughts? Or do you you just jump from article to article regurgitating the same cut-and-paste crap you were told to spew.

Here you are expected to support yourself and your family, to be independent and self-reliant. You know .... A MAN

You have no idea who I am and what my life consists of. Your silly rant reeks of immaturity. Another glaring problem with Americans today...... they generalize their way into rosy conclusions, then pat themselves on the back for a job well done.

At one time the City Of Detroit was the City of Industry. What happened? Why did the jobs leave? Why does Deroit have one of the highest rates of violent crime? Why is it such a hole?

You have obviously proved to me and anyone here reading this that even if I did answer these questions, those answers would fall on deaf ears as you have predisposed yourself to ideas which fit your narrow-minded scope of life. You know exactly what I'm talking about too.

Try to stick with topics you have some input in which to offer the subject. This one just wasn't your cup of tea. Don't be mad someone called you out on it. That's life.

Sage of the Age

Yeah downgrade.....the conservatives destroyed Detroit. It had nothing whatsoever to do with the great society welfare garbage that destroyed the black family, the coleman young and 40 years of utterly corrupt, LIBERAL democratic rule, the pothead unions, and the collapse of the NEA-backed schools. Nothing at all to do with them.

Sage - I'll dignify your sarcastic, coded comment for $hi+s sake. What you're hedging your premise on is a wobbly conclusion that Liberals ran Detroit into the ground. You would be so happy too.

While the items you listed above did have their parts in the degradation of Detroit, you so conveniently leave out heavier catalysts. For one, the suburban exodus of the upper-to-middle class tax payers. Unfettered sprawl resting on the laurels of unending growth, partly fueled by unlimited credit and but also sustained by real estate redlining. Somewhat intertwined with that is the ongoing two-way racial divide which plagues the city until today. Detroit is one of the most heavily segregated communities in the States. And that leaks into public office and has its own ramifications as well.

Also, Let us not deny that Detroit was a one-industry town held up by the Big 3 (you know, the arsenal of democracy who made our tanks in WW2). The same Big 3 who Romney said "let them go bankrupt" and then later flopped his way into somehow saying he was responsible for the salvation of the automotive industry. Well, first Flint decided in 1980 they could build parts and cars on the cheap if they relocated manufacturing elsewhere. Plants closed, jobs were shed and so goes the story of Flint. Shortly after, Detroit and other mid western regions followed suit. That left a tremendous amount of people unemployed thanks to raw capitalism at its finest. Hopefully coming to a town near you soon.

There's so much more, but I get the impression that like your boy navyvet98, you too most likely do not care for the facts and only see them as obstacles that dust up the perfect little model you have in your head. By the way, nowhere did I ever say that "conservatives destroyed Detroit"...... not sure why you said that or what you even took from my prior posts. Perhaps I'm debating someone who can't maturely handle the concept of a debate. Oh well, too late.

What bull. The article is a case in point. The cabbie was not known. Lots of strangers are shot up these days.

Julieann actually believes the manipulated data that her gun hating entities spew out. Poor Jules, you really need to leave Wonderland and return to the real world.

and 1789697 must be an NRA lifetime card member cause everyone Knows the NRA never lies

There's an old saying, " Just because you are paranoid doesn't mean there really aren't people after you. "

Or maybe Godbless reads and understands statistics.

Do you folks think that the mass murderers know all their victims?

Hilarious.

They are just trying to justify not having any friends. It may get you killed.

I plussed you because yes that was pretty damn funny

I hear dat!! Don't forget Latinos also!

Blacks don't kill people; crazy white guys with arsenals kill people and then say its the culture that made them do it.

Of course when blacks do kill people its black's fault. When whites kill people its society's fault for driving the poor dolts to insanity. Poor white people.

Statistically, he's right.

http://projects.wsj.com/murderdata/#view=all

And the culture that you are not personally responsible for anything. It's the government's job to take care of everyone and everything. Of course by taxing those greedy rich. Hmmmm..... I guess the rich all left Detroit, didn't they?

ryandallastexas Please explain how the unions are to blame for this.

Smitty, don't interrupt him. He's about to explain to us how one or two items are to blame for the web of woes that Detroit finds itself entangled in. And he's going to do it from his lazy-boy in a state roughly 1200 miles away no doubt. This should be enlightening.

That's funny because when welfare was only for whites (through the 1930s to the late 1960s) and unions were entirely white enterprises (except for the IWW, the "Wobblies") Americans seemed to just LOVE both. Yep, your lawyer grandpa got into college using a GI Bill only whites could use post-WWII, moving into VHA-loaned houses that were protected from integration by redlining laws that banned minorities from moving in next to him, and fed your grandma with Social Security payments designed to protect the sanctity of white households in the event that gramps passed on without leaving her any savings.

But the average mouth-breathing trog wingnut is convinced that social Welfare programs began in the 1960s, only for minorities, and that poor whites that made it in this country never had any assistance from any source to get them their. And that's why you guys are "losing the country"; because you're too dumb about your own history to know how we got here and are too willing to let talking heads tell you to be scared of your fellow man to learn the truth.

Thank you for enlightening all of the trog wingnuts with your superior understanding of history.

Hilarious. Hint: there are wingnuts of both political parties, and we are long past the '30's.

So, Downgrade -

Care to give us your understanding of the "web of woes" entanglement which Detroit has been cast into?

Nothing to do with city government policy, corruption, drugs, welfare or unions?

Do tell.

Tea Party Downgrade... I'll explain to you how the unions are tied into this mess. The Second World War created a huge amount of industrialization growth, much of which was centralized in this nation so as to protect the production from German or Japanese bombs. When WWII concluded, JEEP for instance went from producing war materials to civilian transportation with the industry modernized by the war effort. Many industries tooled for other productivity. Union growth expanded, for the sole reason that much of the rest of the worlds industrial areas were demolished in the war, and US products were demanded to fill the post war wants. When areas, like Germany for instance, rebuilt, they rebuilt from the ground up, and after a few decades were providing the world with products again, more modern products than the older unionized industry the US produced with in the war. The US paid to rebuild both Japan and Germany. Eventually the decades passed and American industry shed union jobs in favor of robotics, leaving large industrial areas like in Detroit, vacant of skilled well paid laborers. However, union growth did expand in the public employee union sector... which requires a tax base to pay for it. Without major modern manufacturing on a large scale to meet these tax revenue demands, and other entitlements, these older once industrial cities find themselves in further decline. Nepotism doesn't help economic growth, nor does cronyism help curb political corruption. Unions don't function well with small labor forces and specialized shops. In the case of Japan, or China, they have a monoculture labor force, distinct from the labor force in the US. They can have cheaper labor costs, because all the costs or benefits go to favoring just one distinct cultural value. In the US not all laborers value union culture, especially now that union membership dwindles further and further with each successive year, and people are unwilling to provide more for public sector union salary and benefit demands. If union workers were so significant to Detroit's economic well being, it would show over the past 60 years.

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So, Downgrade -

Care to give us your understanding of the "web of woes" entanglement which Detroit has been cast into?

Nothing to do with city government policy, corruption, drugs, welfare or unions?

Do tell.

Racism drives government policy (Urban and suburban). Greed and lack of oversight is responsible for the corruption - no different than our federal government. A lack of taxpayers (due to the white flight circa 1940-present) has starved the city of taxes for years. That has in turn decimated city services such as police, fire and medical responders. Those items have a direct affect on crime and drug use. Which in turn, keeps the concept of re-gentrification from happening. It is a wicked cycle that needs a moral and ethical injection. At this point, uneducated and unemployed households are now multiple generations deep. And broken households are the status quo in Detroit. How can a single mother raise three kids when she is holding down three jobs to feed them? As much as people would like to attribute Detroit's problems to economic policies, it is as much a societal breakdown as well.

While I'm not pro-union or anti-union as I have never belonged to one, I will share with you my brief thoughts on their existence. Obviously they had their place in our country once upon a time. They are what separates us from other countries who use underage workers in unsafe conditions. They are what provides job security in an age when jobs can simply be shipped away to those same underage, under-danger workers in foreign countries. These days, the unions do hinder management with legacy costs and the inability to fire workers who would be roadside in minutes for infractions you or I would never believe. And therein I see abuses. But what is to stop companies from just disbanding American operations altogether if they succeed in busting the union? After all, if a dime can be made for off shoring a thousand American jobs, you can bet your A$$ that company will off shore those jobs. It is the system we have.

Thank you, Downgrade. I appreciate the reasoned response - sans any insults.

Don't necessarily agree with all your position, but do appreciate the dialogue!

Wow, dude. Awesome stat. Now tell us what the percentage of people everywhere else is who "LOST THEIR LIVES from MURDER." Please. You are correct, though. The only reasons we hear about this junk are to make money for this lib-site, or to further the lib-agenda. Notice this isn't on a normal site like Fox.

.05%, when applied to the 300-some million people is still a number too large for my liking. It is entirely cultural. Somewhere along the way, people learn to think that violence is an acceptable means to their ends. It is, and never will be acceptable.

You might say 0.05% of the population, but statistics are meaningless when you are in them. I pose the following question, hypothetically, to make people evaluate their stance on things: Suppose a foreign country assassinates a single person in your country. Is it worth going to war for one person, where many more will die? So, what if the person is a convicted murderer in prison. Most would say, "Ok, let it slide." What if the person assassinated is a beloved President, who does great things for the nation? The value of a single life cannot be measured -- it does not have finite value. All these numbers and statistics thrown around desensitize us to the reality that multiple persons have lost their lives needlessly through violence. We should remind ourselves of this, when thinking of 0.05%. What if a child, a spouse, or a best friend were one of the 0.05%? Would we just as easily "shrug it off?"

That's complete nonsense. Detroit isn't dead, it moved! The Old Detroit is the direct result of greed, greed, greed. Its not the fault of one political system or another, its the result of the failure of people, all kinds of people, Liberal, Conservative, Christian, Muslim, Black White, Jew, German, Polish, Greek, etc etc.

Explain how liberalism is directly responsible for the failure of the domestic automobile industry and the shifting of manufacturing to Mexico and overseas.

This should be good.

It's cheaper to build them elsewhere. When you can get a monkey to install the same part day after day for bannana's , why should you pay some Auto Worker Union Thug $30.00 hr plus benefits? They priced themselves out of a job. Unions = Leftards

The products were crap. The cars were crap. Accept that.

Union thugs? Maybe. But the last thing you want to do is pay people a decent wage, right? Right, right-winger?

It's better to pay foreigners less to increase your profits for shareholders and bonuses for CEO's, right, right-winger?

Your way doesn't help anyone that needs it. But nice try though. It's kinda cute.

The auto companies suffered for DECADES from inept and incredibly STUPID management!

James - yes, yes they did. Stupid management that approved stupid products and we know how that worked out over time.

Luckily they're on a comeback - I wonder how long it will last?

You might get arrested in NYC if you use a taser or pepper spray for defensive purposes.

Please feel free to hope your pepper spray and/or taser are sufficient as a means of defense. Personally, I'll use my 9mm. It is much more efficient and effective. It also has proved to be effective without even being fired against a number of assailants. All decided bringing fists and feet to a gun fight was not conducive to their good health. Of course when the odds were one (50s + at the time) old guy against about ten youth, they were very very brave. Once my handgun was drawn, they were literally tripping over themselves running away.

Happy new year!!

I will gladly turn in all of my firearms the day the FBI has announced they have successfully disarmed all the criminals. However, if they are found to be lying, they must then commit seppuku with a crowbar.