Bloomy did a Vito Corleone....made the Giffords an offer they couldn't refuse.Maybe he can hook her up for a book deal.He's well connected,you know.

She's a private citizen, jjj, and just like you she has right to travel freely. The fact that one or two news agencies document her travel is outside of her control. I hope that you apply your same standard to the likes of Sarah Palin.

What offer was that, John?

Why did they have to talk to Bloomberg?,if you want to know what she got,get up close and personal with her and ask,don't be bashful.

What a PSA film this would make : run for public office and get shot at and live to tell about it !

I think the kids want to forget about people getting shot !

and this salem witch uprising going on about banning shooting video games is not the answer. how about being a parent and spend time with them and get to know your kids and see what idiot friends they have, because peer pressure leads to most bad behaviour, which is your kids looking for attention from YOU !

typical liberal left, always parading someone else for their benefit. Her life was dramatically changed. I only wish her well.

Adam Lanza never played shooting games. He played starcraft and warcraft. They are strategy games. One is in space, the other is medieval times. Its all moving armies around and stuff, there is no shooting. Its all top down view, moving pieces around like a board game..

jjj-1504336

WTF?? can't this woman get over it and stay the f*%# home and out of the news.!!!!

I agree with you JJJ.

Jeezusfukkinchrist, go back to your fula@!$%#ta state woman and leave the rest of the country alone.

No one gives a flyin-fuk what you think. This isn't about your azz, it's about these kids and their families.

What an effen media-ho she's become. Go back home to Arizona and fix your racist and bigoted pos state and do something real meaningful and useful for a change.

jjj moron first class... king of the derelicts!

taffy... your slot in hell is secure.

you know jjj, it's because of people like you that our great Nation has gone to fecal matter but be careful because when some people are so jaded, as you are about Mrs Gifford, the very thing turns upon them, or you. however, it's because of Mrs Giffords and many people like her that our hope in mankind is still existent; these days i find it hard to even think the thought that i'm proud of any of our whorish lawmakers who have sold their souls to Satan, but Mrs Giffords makes me proud of being a citizen of the USA. i would like to meet her someday. so as we've seen that God shows no preference to man, whether rich or poor; so instead of saying " how could this happen here ", maybe we should start saying " how can we stop this from happening here ". someone stated " that we've lost our respect for life " , being the reason why all these killings are being committed; however, it's because we've lost our respect for God!!!

MSNBCMFE

She's a private citizen, jjj, and just like you she has right to travel freely. The fact that one or two news agencies document her travel is outside of her control. Really, outside of her control? You actually believe that? This whole thing was set up and probably by her husband, the great and noble Mr. Kelly. He has a lot to answer to but no one wants to confront him on it. What you ask? A lot of people want to know why there was no security at his wife's meet and greet when she had received death threats prior to the event. Only one person called him out on that, the man who lost his wife in the shooting. That question was nevered answered. So now he's an expert on gun control? Or is he just trying to make up for the shortcoming of not getting security for his wife when it was needed. Now you may say that having security there might not have stopped the shooting but we'll never know will we? Just like the school shooting. I am not condoning what either Jared or Adam did but to blame everything else but the shooter? You try to remedy the situation by treating the symptom but neglect the disease. I normally don't go after someone like Kelly but I think he deserves it. What Kelly is doing right now is no different than Sarah Brady shoving her husband in his wheelchair into ANY congressman's office who had the audacity to question gun control and making sure the press was there to record it, just like now with Giffords. History is repeating itself.

Native American children who survived the killings at the Red Lake Reservation school in Minnesota also went to Newtown to meet with the parents and people there... but not being either white, politicians, astronauts, or celebrity singers, it has never been mentioned by the news media.

I don't guess it's any big deal when a few more Indian kids are killed... not worth mentioning, even when the survivors travel across the country to offer blessings from the heart.

let's hope we get better results this time.

gotta love the hypocrisy when it comes to their children

I hope poster #1, jjj-1504336
got a mental health
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before applying for a gun.

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That kind of venom is disturbing.

"..........Just remember folks.......

Hitler rounded up all the citizen held guns in Germany then killed 6 million Jews!"

When it comes to history the lefties get amnesia. Why else would they ignore it and continuously demand to repeat it over and over again expecting different results? Did their gray matter develop in a backward process, or what?

I PITY anyone who lives in the paranoid world.

Such demons circling in their head.

The irrational fear of Hiltler clones banging down their doorway makes me wonder where they live.

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The "amnesia" of what the 2nd Amendment was intended for is either ignorance or denial. Tell me, was gun violence so prevalent when the FOUNDING FOUNDERS guaranteed a "right" that they intended all of us to ARM ourselves against our fellow citizens?

I must have missed that part in the history books.

The vitriol being directed at Gabby Giffords in this thread is unbelievable. None of these morons seems to have considered the fact that she is reminded of what lax gun laws have wrought every waking minute of her life by her partial blindness, her loss of function in her arm, and her difficulty even walking. It's hardly surprising that she and her husband have made it an issue. Just like James Brady, the former press secretary to the most CONSERVATIVE president in recent history, Ronald Reagan, for whom the now-expired Brady Law was named.

leftward bound

jjj moron first class... king of the derelicts!

hahahahahahah, says who, u... hahahahahahaha

taffy... your slot in hell is secure.

Once again, hahahahahahahahaha, I don't believe in your fairytale heaven or hell, besides, I've already been there, done that, and they sent me back. hahahahahahahahaha...

Just because one is sick and tried of ole Gabby and Hubby stealing other people's 15 minutes of fame/attention to promote her sorry azz book don't make you right. Old Gabby is wrong for honing in on these kids deaths. It has nothing to do with or about old Gabby and her hubby, but I am sure she will be pleased hocking some of her books on the death tour of these kids and teachers.

She has no shame imo, and she needs to remover her flabby Gabby azz from this grade school massacre. It has nothing to do with her.

How was the WEST won???

With a squirt gun splashing blood thirsty Indians?

"When the White Man and the Indians had a battle and the White Man won, it was called a great battle. When the Indian won, it was called a massacre."

(Couldn't resist that quote, but I voted for your comment since it was quite true.)

@jjj-1504336

The real f*%#ing BS is living peacefully in your own country- not at a war zone -and getting f*%# for life (or gone forever) by a trigger happy psycho.

Have you asked yourself why she has to live the rest of her life in the condition she is at present? More importantly, have you consider why this particular town in the article needs to live in hell's shadow from now on? Go pay a visit yourself and talk to family and neighbors there. It would do you a lot of good.

Anyone notice anything 'unusual' in Post #1.13 by AtomAnt?

Or is it just me?

I think it's a wonderful gesture for Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly to visit the Newtown victims' families. Whenever one suffers a personal tragedy of any kind, it is helpful talking to people who have walked in your shoes and can understand your pain.

These people who have endured such great loss at the hands of mentally disturbed individuals who gained access to military-style weapons and killed innocent victims, are the very people to lead the charge on stricter gun laws.

I applaud and support their efforts.

And here we have a female version of Jim Brady - a handicapped shooting survivor being paraded around the country by their spouse to push a political agenda.

While it is sad that they were shot, there are more effective ways to achieve their goal.

p.s. I hadn't read #1.13 until after I posted this.

jjj is not only an a$$hole, he's the $hit that comes from it.

Thank God for the human beings who are FOR realistic gun control for semi-automatics and automatics... and the ridiculous clips that can shoot on and on and on. I pray to God something is done to ensure intelligent screening, registration and licensing. I don't want to hear the crap about the criminals... where the hell do you think they're getting them? They're breaking into YOUR house after all the BRAGGING you do about what a big man you (think you) are! Yeah, you're going to shoot anyone that breaks in... IF your home... and what about when you shoot a member of your family cause you're freaked out about a noise in the night? We'll all have the same compassion for your stupidity as you have for these most recent victims and their families.

Food for thought... have you looked at any of the small children in your life and considered the absolute terror of those poor little kids as they saw their teachers and classmates get shot repeatedly as they waited for their turn?????

B!tches, the so called 'right to bear arms' does NOT supersede the 'right to LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness'.

Our country seems to have lost all compassion for our fellow human beings... the comments on here by gun enthusiasts show a total lack of any intelligent, rational thought, just pure selfishness and cruelty.

52junebug

You are really a huge a$$hole jjj!!

Did you dissect JJJ correctly, or is that just a guesstimatation?

Bob Johnson-1313170

jjj is not only an a$$hole, he's the $hit that comes from it.

Into scat much BJ? Sometimes it's better to think before posting BJ. (hahahahaha) BJ-1313170 and counting.

Speaking of guns, it's four days into the New Year and the NRA's Wayne LaPierre remains the anti-Christ.

Hey, Wayne, GITMO is calling....your cell is ready.

I think you posted this last week,get some new material.

Just to annoy YOU, john, I'll be posting it each and every day until it becomes 'fait accompli,' which by the way means 'a done deal' for you neanderthals.

It doesn't annoy me,I just figured you got tired of thinking up new BS.

It's OK

One would think most of the police officers would be dead by now...

I think it's offensive what you said. I have personally owned firearms for going on 28 years and I have neither hurt myself or any of my family or friends and I have many friends who are also responsible gun owners. Ruben Rivera Chief Firearms Instructor at AimRight Firearms Training

You tell em,Ruben....that crap about everybody shooting family and friends is BS.

Been around firearms for 50 years,have neither shot myself,my family or my friends.

Anti-gun hogwash.

The commie libs pull that BS outta their own arses you know?

This anti-gun propaganda which used to be constantly repeated by the news media was disproved years ago by PHD research done at the University of Florida which was cited with approval in recent U.S. Supreme Court decisions validating private citizens' right to own guns for self protection; instances of people lawfully using a gun to protect themselves from criminal acts far outnumber accidental shootings. If you want to disbelieve the true statistics, fine. I suggest you keep a copy of the BS stats close at hand so when the local ghouls are in the process of killing your kids or raping your wife you can wave em in their face and they'll realize what they're doing isn't really happening and they'll magically vanish! Oh yeah, also keep a copy of the criminal statutes that outlaw murder and rape handy so that they'll realize that their actions have severe penalties. That always works as a deterrent.

Mr. Kage, here you come in and say this was dis proven by some research, yet you fail to even source your article that states that. If you're going to say that something isn't true and has been dis proven, then at least have some decency and back it up.

So Steve,

did that Ph.D. research ever rise to the level of acceptability to be published in a scholarly, refereed journal? If so, please provide the reference. If it was rejected for publication due to shortcomings, please be honest and say so.

Sorry, thought this was old news; forgot some people don't get out much.

Sources:

Kleck & Delone, Victim Resistance and Offender Weapon Effects in Robbery, Journal of Quantitative Criminology 9 (1): 55-82

Kleck & Sayles, Rape & Resistance, Social Problems, 37 (2): 149-162

District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570 (2008)

Also see: McDonald v. Chicago, 561 U.S. 3025 (2010)

The Kleck studies are flawed, but even so, the number given by the DOJ is approximately 108,000 defensive firearm uses per year. The number published by another source, midway between the DOJ/BJS and the Kleck (among other studies) 2.5 million, estimates the real number to be more like 900,000. I'd don't remember the source offhand, but it's easy enough to locate, merely by using the magic tool called "Google" and the search terms "defensive firearm statistics."

It would be more accurate to say "SOME consider the Kleck studies to be flawed". The validity rests upon your personal opinion as to whether the portion of the Kleck study which estimates unreported gun use (i.e., people who used guns as a threat to prevent crime without reporting the incident) involved valid criteria. Even so, you are correct in stating that a sober look at all of the "actual use" stats shows a hell of a lot of people are using guns for lawful defensive purposes. I've personally used a gun 3 times as threat to prevent a burglary (the burgler took off running, I couldn't catch him; decided I needed to stop smoking), and 2 gang attacks (punks were beatin up a young kid, I fired in the air, they took off runnin; and drunks were about to attack me, I showed em my gun, they backed off). I never reported the incidents (figured the cops had bigger fish to fry). I've been shooting for 56 years- all types of firearms-never had an accident. I've been using knives for even longer; have cut myself a few times! My personal stats show knives are much more dangerous than guns!

Did they have cameras at that school?

If so,where is the film?

As far as I know, they have cameras already in most schools, at least here in TN.

And johninpa you have the gall to ask for a video of the shooting?

Did I ask for a video of the shooting?Don't tell me about gall,I want to know how he got in,and if anybody was with him.

I'm supposed to believe a lying government and news media?I don't think so.

Hey Dee... how about bulletproof glass and doors on ALL classrooms. My husband teaches in an open classroom. Guess what... he has NO desire to have to carry a gun to school. What the hell kind of country do we live in now anyway?

I see, it's too late for you john, you already have your tinfoil hat on.

You are correct,Lochner should be fried,and Gifford should be using her influence to get that done.

Instead she attacks the Bill of Rights. Makes a lot of sense,not.

Stopping the violence is NOT part of the agenda gentlemen, disarming the public IS

I guess them Japanese have a really high rate of death from firearms since they are disarmed right? With their 553 deaths in 2007.

In other words they had 0.4 deaths per 100,000 people, in any gun related homicide in 2007.

The U.S. had a 5.61 deaths per 100,000 people in 2007.

That's a 1400% difference.

How could Japan have 553 deaths from firearms if they cannot legally own firearms? Guess the killers decided to ignore the law. Wouldn't happen in the U.S.; our killers respect the law.

U.S. lets everyone have guns Kage, why aren't these lawful gun owners stopping these homicides?

Even a slap on the wrist will get you booked for abuse or domestic violence which in turn gets you a felony which in turn gets your firearms rights revoked. Yet these evil whacked out MF's that commits mass murder gets three hots and a cot for life. Pretty damned ironic.

Or he could of ran his car through a crowded school playground... who could of stopped him? Where there is a will there is probably a way.

Rob, around the same time that this occurred a man attacked a school in china with a knife. He injured around 25-30 kids. Guess what?

No one died.

How many of these kids would be alive if he had only come in with a knife?

This is not Japan or China,neither of which have Chicago,Detroit,Camden,etc.

When law abiding Americans have only kitchen utensils to defend themselves,will the street gangs disarm?

I see, only America has organized crime, sorry I didn't know that.

I though here in my ignorance that the Yakuza wasn't a gang.

Attention whores don't roll that way.

True -- Mrs. Gabrielle Kelly's presence is not going to change anything -- just more unneeded publicity for a town trying to finally get out of the public eye.

Its good that things like this receive attention, because many people would rather sweep this incident under the rug and continue to do thing like they always have been, until the next school gets shot up.

Its the same method we use for the Holocaust, learn about the causes and effects of it, and REMEMBER, so similar event never happen again, we need to do the same for school shootings, we need to know what caused it, gun control laws which are ineffective, sure there are background checks, but they only check the purchaser, not other inhabitants in the purchasers house.

I will say this, i am a believer in gun rights, i've owned and fired guns in my own lifetime, but i also believe in sensible gun control, i dont believe citizens should have access to assault rifles, fully automatic even semi-automatic weapons.

Wow, whole lotta hate here tonite. I must have missed something, because I don't recall Giffords being a "media whore" and on camera all the time. She was an elected official, so she's pretty much wired to try to change things. Not only was she injured, but people with her were killed. If she wants to take that experience and use it to make positive change, I don't get what's wrong with that. Sarah Brady did it after her husband was shot in the Reagan assasination attempt, and she affected positive change. Was she a media whore? It's not like Giffords made a speech during her visit.

Look, I'm Republican (though not conservative) and I own a rifle for target shooting. But I still think there's room for a lot of change in our gun laws. Not stripping people of guns -- I believe Giffords owned guns too. But there's room to be reasonable, with the assault weapons, large clips, and finding a way to identify mental health risks. I sure haven't found California's gun laws too restrictive. Unfortunately, none of these changes will keep handguns out of criminals' hands.

Pragmatic Brit

Why is this phase - "sensible gun control or reasonable gun control" the new catch phase? Don't you think we (gun owners - I'm not lumping you in with the other gun owners mostly because I don't believe you own or have ever owned guns) haven't heard it before? Every time someone uses a gun illegally, we hear that phase. More gun control will solve the problem! Yes, it will! Pass these law and you can pat yourself on the back, say you helped save the world and do NOTHING else to correct the real problem until it inevitably happens again. You turn away from the problem because it's hard to face but want "sensible/reasonable gun control" because it's easy and it won't affect you (or at least you don't think it will but you would be wrong in thinking that.) You bring up the Holocaust as an example of not forgetting so it doesn't happen again but remember it was also the prosecution of the perpetrators went a lot farther in making sure it didn't happen again.

As far as whether an us "ordinary citizens" should have access to the so called assault rifles (which for once get it right they are semi automatic NOT AUTOMATIC, which told me you are NOT a gun owner past or present), when you or a family member is getting beat up, stabbed or heaven forbid shot by some criminal and one of us "ordinary citizens with an "assault weapon" stop him are you really going to feel bad for the criminal?

If you moniker is correct, how's that gun control thing working for your countrymen? You know the ones that live in one of the most monitored, most security camera installations in the world, country.

You pulled that one staight outta yo ASS!

actually most guns in the household will be used first for suicide of a household member, and secondly for the accidental shooting of another household member. defending the household comes in far down the list. you can look it up. and, just so you know, i realize gun control won't work. most gun owners aren't as wacko as the small percentage who feel compelled to get on public forums with their mindless rants, fortunately.

The problem is,Bryan,they are not about suggesting you get a gun safe,this is a coalition forming to pass gun laws at the federal level,using the gun free school shootings as an excuse,that will eventually lead to an attempt at confiscation.Feinstein admitted that was her goal,years ago.

I agree with you and I wish people would secure their weapons,especially around kids....but you know you can't regulate how careless people are,they still stick forks in toasters.

Sure JOHNNY, we get it. You're a Reich Wing gun dip@!$%# who gets his rocks off with firearms. Fact is, we make up 5% of the world's population and guess what??? We have fully 50% of the world's firearms. Do you see something wrong with this picture? And please, spare me the NRA talking points about "guns don't kill people......" and all the mindless drivel about the Second Ammendment. You clowns know nothing about the Constitution. You know who does? Our president, that's who. He taught Constitutional law as the University of Chicago. It says that firearms can be owned, it doesn't way what kind or where they can be carried. Can I mount a brace of .50 cal Brownings on the hood of my car? What about rocket launchers? I'm kind of partial to a nice little howitzer or perhaps a 4" mortar. Does the Constitution give me the right to have all of these killing machines? I doubt even you would say yes. And if so, it means there have to be limiations on the kinds of firearms and magazines that are used. I know this is wasted breath with you gun crazies who fancy yourself great patriots because you have guns but this latest incident is a game changer.

I live less than 15 minutes from Newtown. Several of the teachers killed there lived in my town and we held the wake for them and buried them here as well. We've had enough funerals for the time being, thank you very much. I've been to gun shows, I know the kind of crap that goes on there, purchasing guns without background checks and all the rest. This insanity has to stop.

MIDNIGHT, I see, so we should have ZERO gun laws, is that it? Cause if we have any regulation at all, it means we're coming for your stupid frigging guns. Yea, the black helicopters are coming for you buddy. Better run to your bomb shelter where you have your arsenal stashed along with 10,000 of ammo, preferably cop killer bullets.

And nice to see that your an anti semitic scumbag, it suits the rest of your mindset.

Oh and Harley boy, I've got a great joke for you. What's the difference between a Harley and a Hoover???

THE LOCATION OF THE DIRTBAG!!!! That means you fella.

THE LOCATION OF THE DIRTBAG!!!! That means you fella.

HA HA HA ROTFLMFAO!!!!!! There, does that make your hurt butt feel better Joo Boy?

I can't argue with you Mr Oz,you got all the answers....Constitutional scholar,helped bury the teachers and all around raconteur.

But as far as your comedy routine....don't quit your day job as troll extraordinaire.

Thanks John, I owe you one buddy.

midnightridr gives a perfect example of the type of gun wacko i was writing of in my post a few above. probably an ineffectual, incompetent, loner sociopath. a ticking time bomb, he's the type that shouldn't own a gun. he's the kind that will eventually cause rational gun owners no end of problems trying to defend.

Have you no brains??? How dare this woman who was nearly killed and is crippled for life have the audacity to meet with other victims of gun violence and offer them consolation as well as work towards this country finally getting some sane gun laws. You may like living in a armed encampment but I along with the majority of Americans don't.

I'm still waiting to read an intelligent post of yours and seriously doubt I ever will. Dip@!$%#.

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FRANK, serious question. Are you really as much of an imbecile as your post would indicate??? Yea, Obama set up both of these shootings, just so he could take your dumb ass firearms away from you. Nitwit.

BTW smart guy, Fast & Furious was initiated by Dubya, not Obama and the AG was not even aware of the program until after it all went to hell. So you can thank your boy Dubya, the swaggering, gunslinging, Texas gunfighter.

And you're god damn right pal, we do aim to you finally get some common sense gun laws in place so idiots like you who have a small arsenal in their homes and one day decide to go Postal, won't take at half the town, using 30 round magazines or 100 round drums as in the case of the Colorado shooting. Evidently you are perfectly happy to see your fellow countryman slaughtered just so you can play Johnny Soldier Boy.

Ozzie, you're the perfect example of the "feminization" of America. Grow a set of balls and take care of yourself. Quit clamoring for your government to take care of you. I've never heard of a law abiding citizen commit a gun crime, have you? Thailand is calling, they want their lady-boy back. Now scram...

Hey GOOBER, I sure hope I didn't hurt your feelings, you ignorant, knuckle dragging, beer swilling goon. I certianly didn't mean to.

Ozzie, put on your Birkenstock sandals and loosen your pony tail. It's cutting off the blood to your brain. How does it feel to be fully feminized?

JIM, yea, you're a real manly man, right buddy? How do you know I don't own firearms? And regardless of whether I do or not, how the phuk does that make me a tough guy? Oh yea, I'll bet you've got some pair of balls. What a tough guy. LOL

YOu schmucks are so predictable, it really is kind of sad. Sorry buddy, I'm not a keyboard commando tough guy like you. Man, I'll bet you're a regular Rambo.

And next time dip@!$%#, how about trying to respond to the point of my post as opposed to your low rent chicken @!$%# name calling. That is, assuming you are capable of an intelligent exchange of ideas which I seriously doubt.

Because I'm overcome by half man liberals like you. I just don't get it.

Now go put on your girly sandals, loosen your pony tail and don't your panties in an knot...

Snap!

That's the bet ya got JIMMY boy??? How sad.

Heres one for you tough guy. Last week the boy of Senator Daniel Inouye lay in state in the rotunda of the Capitol. One of only about 35 Americans in the last 200 years so honored. He served in WWII with the 442 Regimental Combat Brigade, the single most highly decorated unit in our entire armed forces. He was awarded the Medal of Honor for singlehandly neutralizing several German gun positions, losing an arm in the process.

He supported gun contro and yes, he was a Liberal. Apparently in your dark, twisted little mind, he's a pansy cause his politics differ from yours. And your mindset is truly very sad indeed. And no, I don't wear Birkenstocks, usual Cole Haan if you must know.

Snap! Angry Spice?

By the way Ozzy, I'm all for gun control. Proper grip, stance and squeeze.

low rent chicken @!$%# name calling.

WHY YOU DOUBLE STANDARD HYPOCRITE SOB YOU!!!

Why I oughta...

Ozzie-You told us about the dead anti gun war hero last week,did you help bury him,too?

I don't care if he was in the Charge of the LIght Brigade,it don't mean jack to me.If he can't honor the Bill of Rights,he should never have been a United States Senator,him being one shows how low we sunk.

Sorry JOHNNY boy, his credentials give him the right to say whatever the hell he pleases. Particularly when he happens to be right. And you don't know jack @!$%# about the Bill of Rights or any other documents for that matter. Spare me the NRA rant. I've heard all this crap repeatedly. Too bad you gun goobers aren't equally concerned with civil rights, world hunger and disease and all the other issues effecting mankind. But no, you only get a stiffy over your dumb ass guns. How quaint.

World hunger is not in the US Constitution,pinhead.

Didn't your buddy Obama clue you in?

AMEN TO GUN FREEDOM, Down with the global elite and there attempt to disarm us. Was this a part of the last builderberg meeting? Come on MSN where is the story on the issues in this world!

I have to agree with Ozzie here, there needs to be laws in place that prevents @!$%# like this from happening, frankly im sick and tired of Republican NRA sheep bleating "NO GUN CONTROL" even after little children were brutally murdered, i believe that there needs to be a certain level of gun control, and we are far below it.

OzzieBoy

You're wrong about Inouye! It wasn't his credentials as a war hero or even being a US Senator that gave him the right to say whatever he pleases, it was he was a citizen of the United States of America. He could say whatever he pleases because it was and is a RIGHT guaranteed by the First Amendment. You know the amendment which is guaranteed by the Second Amendment! The First Amendment gives a citizen the right to free speech (even in it's present corrupted state). Your post points to a widely held flaw in a lot of people's thinking today " Obviously, I know SO MUCH more than you so I will tell you how to live your life, what to say, what to do what to eat, etc, etc, etc. and you will thank me oh so much for making your life better even as we strip away your liberties, you poor sheep you!

Johninpa - Obviously you know everything about everything, don't you. Not possible someone else could differ from you and be right is it?

Not when it concerns my freedom.old man.

SLODON, we have the same kind of "capacity" that you gun goobers do. Namely, a 30 round magazine or better still, a 100 round drum so you can take out an entire town. After all, it is your "Constitutional Right" now isn't it???

And FYI, those names are all public knowledge, nothing illegal whatsoever. After all, you cretins hide behind the law and your "second ammendment" rights, but now you have a problem with someone else taking advantage of the law?

That just lets all their buddy criminals that they protect from punishment know where their pansy asses can be found and exploited. They are too stupid to even realize that.

Ozzie

My good friend. I see your still not the WIZ. True they are public knowledge. BUT you don't have to plaster it all over the world. Now there are Jail personnel being threaten by the inmates. You know the type of threats. "I know where you live" Would you like to be threatened like that? What about the people who don't have a permit? Now the crooks know exactly who has and who hasn't a firearm in their house. Does that make them safer? What house would you rob??

SLODON, well now you know how I feel living around gun toting goons. The statistics don't lie, households that have firearms have dramatically far higher rates of both homicides and suicides. That is a fact fella, you can look it up. The NRAs answer to gun violence is more guns. They want everybody packing, even school teachers and most likely your Auntie Matilda for that matter. I think we already have enough guns in circulation, 300 million approximately. The rest of the world thinks we're out of our frigging minds and guess what, they happen to be right.

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your=you're Sorry about that word police.

Ozzie, the rest of the world is so jealous of the USA, it's got them out of their minds. Fact Jack!

Ozzie

So you don't care about the cop's families being threatened and at risk? You don't care that non-gun owners are at a higher risk of being robbed or killed or raped? How Liberal of you,just thinking of yourself.

What if that map just showed the homes that didn't have a gun permit? Would you be happy with that?

JIM, you obviously have not seen much of the world if you say that. I can think on numerous places on this planet that are as nice and perhaps in some ways, even nicer than the US.

FRANK, there were two armed guards at Columbine and that didn't seem to help too much. As for placing a "burden" on gun owners, too damn bad. We live in a highly regimented society. I have to jump through more hoops to register my car than purchasing a rifle. And the proliferation of these insane quasi-military AR-15s and the like are totally out of hand. These things are killing machines, nothing less. That's why the body count was so insane with the episode here on Connecticut.

The guards at Columbine were not armed.

They were armed fella.

JFK and Reagan had armed guards,they were shot.

By your logic we should drop presidential armed guards because it did not work out so well for them two.

Is that it?

Ozzie Boy-2719086,,"AR-15s and the like are totally out of hand. These things are killing machines, nothing less".

Actually the AR-15 and M-16 weapons will and have killed many, but they are not near as powerful as most hunting rifles.

A Remington Gamemaster in .308 or 30-06 will do far far more damage, is semi auto and can have another clip put in it just as fast as any little AR-15. An AR-15 won't go though a block wall, the Remington Gamemaster in .308 or 30-06 will make dust of it.

No JOHNNY, by my logic, you are in dire need of a brain transplant. And here's the good news buddy, now with Obama Care, you can afford it!!!

I hardly think that the POTUS is comparable to average Americans. And you keep insisting that I or anyone else wants to ban guns. That is not the case. I want them carefully regulated so that we can prevent the massacre that is taking place in this country. I realize that your solution to gun violence is more guns. Somehow I think there is something wrong with that picture.

Disarm all of the police while we are at it, after all, quiet a number of them are gunned down every yr.

Ozzie-I don't trust you or your phony potus ,who sends guns to the drug cartels,and attacks gun owners in this country.

You're a phony liar,just like your hero.

But unlike your phony hero, you cant declare executive priviledge and get away with it scot free Ozzy.

@ArizonaBill

But do most hunting rifles fire as full automatics? semi-automatics? and they be modified to fire 100 rounds in less than a minute? THAT is why Assault rifles are considered weapons for war, not recreation.

Pragmatic Brit -

Wow as a self proclaimed "gun owner" you don't know sh*t about guns do you? Even your so called "assault rifles" fire only semi-automatic (which is one shot per pull of the trigger, just in case you didn't know that). There are hunting rifles that are semi automatic does that make them assault rifles? For the record fully automatic weapons are tightly regulated by the ATF so they are not and haven't been the issue. As for any gun being able to fire 100 rounds in less than a minute please identify which guns they are, you being such a knowledgeable "gun owner".

Your so called "assault rifles" are not the problem in America today. They are just easier to deal with than with the real problem.

Uh BILL, Gabby Giffords never made it a secret that she had firearms. All the more reason for other gun owners to take heed of what she is saying.

And as I mentioned before, I live two towns over from Newtown, have friends there and know the town very well. Beyond that, one of the cops who was one of the very first to respond to the seen lives here in my town. From what I've been told, the seen was so gruesome that some of the cops are going to retire. He riddled these kids bodies with numerous rounds, sometimes as much as a dozen. And I'd say that Commander Kelly has just as much right as you do to air your opinions, and really more right than you do. He's been personally effected by gun violence and you hate the fact that "one of your own" has taken a dissenting view. Getting shot can do that to you.

Ozzie, you're mom should come down into the basement and give you a good scolding! Why are you up so late? Plus, why are you commenting on a topic that is out of your league? You should be on a fashion site or maybe TMZ. Isn't a Kardashian preggers? Why are you here? Snap!

Ozzie Boy-2719086,,Gabby has for years been a supporter of firearm owners Rights, the Right to carry. Gabby also has been a long time friend to the motorcycle community and been on Bike Runs on her BMW cycle.

This Anti gun crap is mostly from her husband, who will never mention that Gabby could have had security there that day and refused it.

BILL, who said I don't like bikes??? I own half a dozen of them. What the hell does that have to do with anything? And I'd say that Commander Kelly has every bit as much the right to give his opinions as you do and probably moreso given his valorous service for his country.

You gun nuts are just so predictable. It's like the NRA handed you a dozen one liners and you keep puking them up incessantly.

Giffords is the new poster girl for the gun grabbers,I guess they got tired of Jim Brady.He's old news,cant get any more mileage out of the old chap.

Ozzie Boy-2719086, I agree with your #17.1 and 17.4 and I still like Gabby just as always. And yeah getting shot can change ones mind I'm sure. Kelly has said some pretty nasty stuff about people in Arizona and firearms holders. He has his right to his opinion, my point was he never mentions that his wife was/is a firearms owner and he doesn't seem to want to say those same things about her,,I call that a little one sided.

As to your motorcycles,,,be safe, watch for cages, and keep the oily side down.

Ozzie Boy

You gun nuts are just so predictable. It's like the NRA handed you a dozen one liners and you keep puking them up incessantly.

Pot meet Kettle, Kettle meet Pot! You talk about the NRA and one lines! Reading through your previous poste, you throw out every known insult and name ever used against gun owners (even a new one - gun goobers). You bring in rocket launchers, howitzer, machine guns, 50 cal guns, massacres, all the emotional buttons that the gun control groups use but of course you're not puking them up are you?

Regarding the Constitution and who know and doesn't know - your example of President Obama teaching constitutional law - what the only way to know the Constitution is to teach constitutional law? He has a complete disregard for the Constitution and will not let it stand in the way of getting what he wants. But then again you and people like Pragmatic Brit will do all the hard work for him won't you? You will give up any right (or take away anyone else's right, especially) so you can feel "safe".

But President Obama doe's not want to take your gun away

Don't even go there old man, there's wayyy too much rock solid proof against him that will blow that statement right outta the water buddy. You can start with his voting record as a senator if you'd like, not to mention all the on and off record remarks. And then the books he has published. It's all on public record for everyone to see, hear, and read forever more. Break free from that cacoon of ignorance and edumacate thy self!

Slodon, you trying to hurt my feelings there fella??? I'll overlook the disrespectful remarks cause I'm such a nice guy.

Besides, I think I've had my fun for the evening with the redneck brigade. Heading out for the evening. But thanks to you and the rest of your pals online, I've had a very entertaining half hour or more. Tell the boys I say so long, would ya?

I knew it all along, you're a GD TROLL!!!!!!

Ozzie Boy-2719086 , I'm not in the NRA, and have carried a firearm since I was 18, I turned 60 this year. Stay safe Brother Man,and thanks for the conversation.

Ozzie Boy

Are you sure you want to step outside your door? My God, your posts make it sound like it's awfully dangerous out there! Aren't you afraid that some "gun goober" (where the f*ck you got that one I don't know) might start shooting up the place? Or you don't worry about that because you know what a "gun goober" looks like and you stay away from "Those" places where they may be. Yeah, you go to the "right" place and hang out with the "good" people.

Stopping violence is NOT the agenda, disarming the American public IS.

Being kind I can only think you are uninformed. THIS IS GRAND STANDING AT IT'S BEST.

"Being kind I can only think you are uninformed."

That's right, you THINK. When I research all the avenues and can clearly see in which direction they head, then draw my OWN conclusion based on my OWN research as to exactly what is going on here, no amount of influx from others will change my thoughts on it simply because I AM AN INDEPENDENT THINKER. I will listen to others opinions but I will NOT allow those outside opinions to sway my thoughts. After taking in the big picture and staying up to date and on top of it, as far as I'm concerned there is absolutely no doubt in my mind whatsoever about what is going on here. PERIOD! You are free to think as you please.

I can't for the life of me believe that he was the only one to jump on this wagon.......Yet.

That doesn't fit into the agenda of tearing this nation down. Is it just me, or does it just seem like everything that is being done is headed in that direction?

It is just you and the idiots like you.

Big Bad Blob........There you go with the name calling right off the bat. Can't you libturds be just a little civil?

Sticks and stones.

Are better than 30 bullet magazines.

They're cartridges,Bobbo.

Bullets are the projectiles,Einstein.

At least he didn't call it a CLIP. gotta give him credit for that.

Don't fool yourself. We get it. Look at the rewards we have reaped by listening yo your crowd.

Cue the sinister music....dum dadum dum

That's right,you got that weiner Biden to lead the charge,good luck with that idiot.

So Bob, what do you think about doing something more towards harsher punishment for criminals? And what about mental health for the mentally impaired? Don't you think that those two subjects would go one hell of a long way towards healing our society of it's ills. Maybe even possibly just as far or perhaps even FARTHER than the ONLY thing that is being screamed about which is gun control?