Yep, I thought the same thing. Would the killings go to your Visa or frequent flier miles? Juveniles at the helm today writing baiting headlines....

Well, there isn't any sense in being pessimistic about it; no matter what they titled this, it probably wouldn't have been any better anyway....

Somehow that didn't come out just right.

sadly, clockwork orange coming to fruitation. poverty striken psychos with no value for human life, prey on helpless. an eye for an eye....don't see these crimes being commited where they chop off your hand for simple thievery. kill 'em.

reeblite kill' em

Wow your idea is being used in middle eastern countries. So your saying that some Muslim Law will work in America?

"Poverty stricken psychos with no value for human life"!?? Come on, Reeblite, you don't have any idea who killed these ladies.. It could just as easily and, this is my guess, be some sick middle-aged psycho like Dennis Rader, the BTK serial killer or some rich kids killing helpless old ladies for the fun of it! It's stupid to try and play guessing games with killers, it's usually the least likely person in the neighborhood.. Some person or persons that everyone thinks is the nicest guy (or gal) in the world.. Police always say to look at family and people in the neighborhood first because the majority of those who commit murder are usually close by.. Let's not be blaming this on some poor kids from the wrong side of the tracks UNTIL we have a lot more information!

California being broke and all, wonder where that 10 grand came from? I'd be leery of that.

My mother is 68 and an avid gun owner and excellent shooter, who learned from her late ex-military husband, my father. Good luck to the POS who tries to break into her home. Well, while we still have the RIGHT to own guns anyway.

@Jhawke

My mother is 68 and an avid gun owner and excellent shooter, who learned from her late ex-military husband, my father. Good luck to the POS who tries to break into her home. Well, while we still have the RIGHT to own guns anyway.

There was an article just a few weeks ago about some guy that wrestled a gun from a cop and managed to shoot 3 cops (IIRC) in the middle of a police station full of armed and trained officers. So good luck to your mom getting the upper hand before they get the drop on her cuz the mere fact of owning a gun, being an "avid" gun owner or even being armed at the time doesn't preclude you from getting shot.

Also, thanks for making this about guns first with you unwarranted pro-gun arguments.

PS: Also how they catch whoever is doing this.

@Vision: Cops are trained to NOT shoot first. Or did you not know that? Your story is an EXTREME rarity and you know it! And these women had their homes broken into. By DEFAULT that validates a gun ownership comment. So go pound sand! There are tens of millions of women who are armed and have concealed weapons permits. Some are eventually unfortunate enough to have to put their training to the test. Most succeed. Like this one:

http://www.wsbtv.com/news/news/local/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-intruder/nTm7s/

Or this one:

http://digitaljournal.com/article/317319

Or this one:

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/alabama-woman-shoots-home-intruder-to-protect-herself-and-her-ax-and-knife-wielding-daughters/

I'm sure you get the point.

My condolences to the families.

@Jhawke

Yeah, I've also heard about stories non-professional gun owners that haven't been trained not to shoot first shoot someone that isn't really a criminal. Like this one:

edition.cnn.com/2012/09/28/justice/connecticut-father-kills-son/index.html

Or this one:

fox40.com/2012/10/15/man-accidentally-shoots-and-kills-girlfriend/

Or this one:

cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57536870/pa-girl-in-costume-mistaken-for-skunk-shot/

So be sure to call your mom first before you go visit.

Note: Had to take the "http://" part of the addresses because the site won't let me post links for some reason. The last one also had "a www."

Pick up a copy of "The American Rifleman" a whole page each month devoted to people who saved themselves from intruders. And their neighbors also.

Just an FYI, I'm not such a little old lady; but I'm a bigger old(er) lady. I don't live in California, but we have our share of crazies in Ohio. Nevertheless, I and my home are protected, too. And yes, I'm a crack shot. I abhor violence, but I do target shoot for entertainment. I've taught a class or two, as well, on proper usage, storage, defense, etc. No, this vine is not about firearms, but I just wanted to get that out of the way.

I sincerely offer my condolences to the families and friends of the deceased. What a terrible tragedy for you all. Please accept my sympathy for your loss.

Folks in San Bernardino may want to draw closer to their neighbors and help look out for one another. Those who prey on the weak and elderly will eventually move to those less weak and less docile. It's in everyone's best interests to get this/these predator(s) off the streets. The sooner, the better.

The guy got the gun from a woman cop inside the police station. There have been several stories in the news over the last year of elderly women shooting intruders. This news site refrained from carrying the story of the Atlanta mother who took her children into a closet to hide from a man who broke into her home; luckily, she also carried her Smith & Wesson with her because he found her and the children and she shot him five times, stepped over him and took the children and ran to a neighbor's home to wait for the police.

And by the way, she had called her husband and the police when she heard the intruder breaking in. The police, with their legal law enforcement guns, did get there in time to protect her and her children.

Every one can give a theory and mine is that most home owners don't have the mind set to shoot someone. They most likely hesitate to pull the trigger on another human being, standing there saying, "I"ll shoot! I'll shoot"!" giving the intruder the seconds available to take the gun away.

If they would just shoot the minute they see the person inside the home those home owners being shot with their own guns would stop becoming statistics.

Move to China, North Korea or any of a number of Muslim governed countries where you'll feel right at home, robert. Hell, who cares that many of our inmates in general population and on death row may be innocent.

Well Sichuan, don't let your bleeding heart fret. Homeowners still have the RIGHT to defend their homes with lethal force so society won't HAVE to deal with the menaces ever again...and more prudently, listen to you bed wetting criminal apologists whine about people in jail.

@Jhawke

While I usually agree with you, I can't this time! Our "justice" system is so screwed up that there are lots of people in prison for crimes they didn't commit. I think accurate trials would better serve the American public than speedy executions! We'd be a lot better off with police and prosecutors who were more concerned about guilt or innocence, and less about their career advancement.It doesn't protect the public one bit to lock up or execute the wrong person! Before you start trying to call me a liberal or"criminal apologist" let me assure you that you would be way off base. If you look up any of my other previous posts you'll see that I'm a conservative, who's seen our legal system in action too many times to believe that mistakes aren't made.

Yeah Sickone---do us all favor and move there yourself--it's because of you bleeding heart liberals that we DON'T put murderers to death any more.

On the topic of the death penalty... this isn't just a "liberal" issue but a valid concern in a system with privatized prisons and police officers under presure to catch someone (anyone) and pin the crime on them rather than properly determine innocence or guilt. Otherwise I'd have no issue with killing off some of these bastards (and have no issue now, if the evidence is overwhelming).

But I'm sure you'll just keep addressing the lables and peg people as "conservatives" or "liberals" rather than addressing the actual issues.

"...many of our inmates in general population and on death row may be innocent." Many? Highly doubtful.

Jhawki, may the next innocent person in jail or prison, especially if he/she is on death row, be from your family. butterflyinoh, try researching a few U.S. Supreme Court decisions and come back and let me know why you know so little about the situation. Common Sense, you don't read very much, do you?

Dial 1911 as in a Colt Style 1911 .45 caliber...older ladies living alone and at home just prey for the trash that infest the major metroplotian area's...

We should definitely not insist that they move in with responsible relatives, where there would be other adults around to deal with the thugs and repeal possible invaders, and where they would not be alone.

Ancient lady with a handgun, a slight case of dementia and/or Parkinson's--she'd probably shoot herself.

Larry,

Do you seriously believe that some 90 year old lady would be able to take a gun and aim with any degree of accuracy at someone who was intent on killing her? In all probability you would just be providing the intruder with another weapon. I'm not arguing against guns for self-defense, I am simply pointing out that there are people who would not benefit from same.

They just need to practice target...If they failed then it would behoove them to take their guns away, and think of something to protect these elderly from thugs...

The weapon of choice for the old ladies I know is a 410ga shotgun. You don't have to be too accurate.

Dear underemployed, it's an Appalachian thing, down here old people have grown up with guns! PS, don't mess with old prople, they don't have that long to live so they don't care...they will kill you!

There are many Asian cultures in the U.S. that still respect the elderly. I'm not Asian, but my elderly mother and I (no spring chicken) have always been treated with respect by Asians, especially. The younger generation, especially the "thug" generation, have no respect for anyone, but especially the elderly. Unfortunately, the elderly are regarded as the lowest of the low on the respect scale (or, rather, no respect scale). You can see examples of this everyday. The elderly walk too slow, become confused easily, are easily taken advantage of with some of the younger generation regarding them as easy prey or as a nuisance to be ignored.

I take care of my 84-year-old mom and sometimes I even lose patience, but I really notice it whenever we're out somewhere. My mom is totally ignored and almost run over by people in too big a hurry, lack of any kind of patience, as if she is taking up valuable space. One time, in a department store, she was almost run over by an impatient mom using her baby's stroller as a weapon. Had I not been there, she would have tripped and fallen. I yelled at the woman, but she pretended to ignore me and went on her busy way.

I hope they find these killers so no one else has to suffer the loss of life as a person, mother, grandmother, great-grandmother. These women have people who appreciate and love them. They have endured much to get to the age they were, only to be taken advantage of and killed for material possessions.

I'm sure if you would look into those honor-the-seniors Asian cultures, that you would notice that families live in multi-generation homes. If Dad gets a job 300 miles away, the whole family, including the grandparents, pack u[ and move. Granny doesn't get her nice quiet senior living apartment, where she doesn't have to put up with noisy grandkids and crying babies, or can come and go as she pleases.

In other countries the elderly are cherished, not the case here. So sad...

Hmm, too much generalizing in that statement. The elderly are not ALL mistreated here in the US and I'm sure they're not ALL "cherished" around the world. Why do so many bash America? There's plenty of bad in many other places as well.

ElkMeadow - Multi-generational households are common in quite a few cultures. America is becoming one of them. All generations can benefit from living with others of all ages, including the elderly. Living with other generations promotes tolerance, patience, familial ties and may actually help the elderly stay sharp, lessen depression, and make them feel as if they are an active part of the family.

Seniors living in assisted-living lack and want social communication. They suffer from depression, isolation, boredom and lack of mental stimulation. Yes, it's quiet, but at what price?

Here's a word for you "sarcasm" look it up!

Then there's the man on death row 8 years and incarcerated for 8 more who was innocent. In Texas! It was just on 48 Hours Mystery. Careful who you want to kill for the crime. We must be sure they are really guilty and not just a victim themselves.

True that, but if a suspect leaves DNA at a crime scene I say strap him down and run him up.

If you don't fight fire with fire, evil WILL WIN.

There sure seems to be a lot of violent readers against violent crime.

Huh? Yeah, you're right; we should be nicer to the killers. Make it easier for them to get out and kill again, huh?

mr. harley, are you really a mr. or just a mean person??? Trying to make some political point of the tragedy, adding some hatred to the mixture?

He has more thumbs up than you do Decibella. Are you one of those bleeding hearts that loves to coddle evil?

Midnight read my post below and you will find out about my zero tolerance of violence. But to turn a violent crime into racism is HORRIBLE and if you have the littlest understanding of the law, also illegal. To me, the guilty is guilty because the guilty committed a crime, NOT because the guilty had a certain skin color. Most gun men in mass murders are not colored, rather white, but still I only focus on the criminal and the crime, regardless of skin color. A violent criminal deserves the death penalty, within 6 months, no appeals.

It is the constant environment of hatred and intolerance that contributes to our violent culture. As an earlier poster noted, this society is self-absorbed and vindictive and advocates violence and still more violence for every social ill. We treat the elderly badly, just wanting them to hurry up and die so that we won't have to provide social security and medicare. When we discuss cutting social security, is this not a form of violence toward a ninety year old woman? Do you expect her to go out and get a job in order to make up the difference between her reduced social security and her living expenses? Everyone has something nasty to say about anyone who is not earning a few hundred thousand a year and then they say that the intruder who kills an elderly woman is evil? How evil is it to be willing to starve that same elderly woman by reducing her income and her medicare? The only difference is the speed with which she is murdered.

By the way, thumbs up depends on the people's values - not on common sense, or even majority of a population, since there is only a small sample of the population on this board. In reality this kind of board could attract lots of racists.

so da- true! and it's happening more and more , since he was elected!

Decibella: Adding hatred to the mixture? Ummm... Sir, William Ayers, obama's best friend from Chicago, attempted to BLOW UP THE PENTAGON. Talk about hatred. Obama HATES America. He proves it each, and every, day. His mentor, Jeremiah Wright, said "G.D. America, G.D. America, G.D. America". Fact after fact, after fact proves my point. Thank you.

mr. harley Adding hatred to the mixture?

Speaking of hate you need to read your own posts. Your full of hate to your "fact after fact" proves that your a hater.

Decibella: Typical lib. You refuse to address the points that I make. You just hide under your pitcher of kool aide, and refuse to address the points that I made about Frank Marshall Davis, William Ayers, Jeremiah Wright, etc.... Sir, when someone attempts to BLOW UP THE PENTAGON, they are full of hate! William Ayers is obama's best friend from Chicago. Jeremiah Wright said, "G.D. America" multiple times. Obama went to his "church" for twenty years. Frank Marshall Davis was obama's mentor. Mr. Davis hated America. Address these points, please.

Furthermore, you should have said, "YOU'RE" full of hate.... Not, "your". 'YOU'RE' is a contraction for YOU ARE. The word "your" reflects possession, like "your" philosophy differs from mine. You're not one to address facts.

Mr., you are regurgitating an OLD statement and ADDING you own opinion that our President hates our nation - what an awful and false statement - SHAME ON YOU. Your false opinion does not in ANY way solve the problem, rather inflames the issue.

Smitty, YES, I hate violence and racism.

Obama has nothing to do about this. The American Society is doing it all by themselves. Heck, look at the people we voted for in Congress. We voted in a 113 Congress, most of them served in the 112, who think fighting with the President and the other party is their only job. They get a 6 figure salary to do nothing but we picked them and we pay them. We, the people, talk about compromise, but we don't force them to compromise. We talk about term limits but we don't limit their term by our votes. All the American people do is talk.

Most gun men in mass murders are not colored, rather white

Hmm, but how many mass murder shootings are there compared to the shootings blacks commit in robberies, muggings, subways, streets etc.? If you wanna play that game, you'll lose. Racist twit!

Decibella: WHAT is false about the facts that I presented. Frank Marshall Davis? Jeremiah Wright? William Ayers? Etc....

Why don't you watch the movie "2016" before you post again. Why don't you read "The Transformation of America" before you post again. Why don't you read "Dreams of My Father" before you post again.

Furthermore, another FACT: The Communist Party USA strongly ENDORSED obama. Google it, and then post. The Communist Party USA endorsed obama both in 2008 and in 2012. FACTS. FACTS. FACTS.

mr.? harley, I let you live in the passed with your grammar corrections/kool aide comments...GOP will lose in 2016 and you will not understand why....sorry.

Decibella: You STILL refuse to address the points (facts) that I have made. You refuse to comment on the facts that I have made. Why?

Furthermore, what do you mean, "I let you live in the passed..." passed? Have you "passed out" from drinking too much kool aide? Just sayin'.

Did you watch the movie "2016" yet? Did you google: The Communist Party USA endorsed obama yet?
Did you read "The Transformation of America" yet? Just askin'.

@decibella

Not big on facts are you?

I was just asking, posted before I read your other post. But yes, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Seriously, MR., I am happy to let you know, I am not caught up in any GOP conspiracy theories...

I focus on what is going on, here and in the world. I get my facts from a multitude of sources, to support my opinions. If you do the same, you will understand why GOP lost.

Sadly, this article has nothing to do with Obama, but people like you drag the conversation into the typical anti-Obama, racism blabla, just to score political points. Please, have a good evening.

arch and mid, I understand that the "superior" facts comes from FOX, right? Well, you are sweet duo that also should have a nice eve.

@Decibella

Sadly, this article has nothing to do with Obama, but people like you drag the conversation into the typical anti-Obama, racism blabla, just to score political points. Please, have a good evening.

You were the first to mention race. Best look in the mirror to see the true racist.

midnightridr Dude do you hear how you sound? You sound like the taliban.

Yeah, but I have 5 thumbs up to your one. you gotta fight fire with fire, if you don't evil will win.

midnightridr Well just $hit your pants. I glad you think your quite the man. If a thumbs up on a blog makes your day you need to get a life. It just shows that their are other taliban thinking people like you out there.

Since you believe California is a cesspool, I suggest you move to Texas, where there are no regulations, a joke of an education system and a moron for governor. They are good at only one thing, executions. They love executions.

...and California is a cesspool in denial. Broke and a joke (not to mention the phonies out there).

I take CA over Texas any day

Decibella: Did you mean to say, "I'll take..... ", instead of "I take ....."? I see you as one of those San Francisco types!! You could OCCUPY SAN FRANCISCO, and be right at home!!

mr. have a nice eve.

That is the problem! There is too much power in the defense and too little in the prosecution. It has to get better balanced. Speed up the executions. There is no rehabilitation for such crimes - the death penalty is a proper punishment for the crime...why all the delays? Too give the defense repeated chance of "rescuing" a killer? and at the same time cost the tax payers money? It has to go.

The Penal system in California is a joke. They have over 600 on death row forever. The People let this happen. Instead of demanding justice they just look the other way and let the folks that were elected do absolutely whatever they wish. It's called money! The more appeals, trials and stays of execution means money in the pockets of Judges, Lawyers and rights activists. This of course comes out of the pockets of The People Of California. I lived most of my life there and left 10 years ago. Some say they would rather live in California then Texas. Take a look at the Worst States to do business in. California was voted last for the past two years. Businesses leaving in droves and you wonder why. There are many problems other then cities going bankrupt and keep prisoners on Death Row forever. It is a sad state of affairs. I also feel bad for the families of these women that were murdered right in their homes. There will always be criminals for a number of reasons. Greed, hatred, bigotry or maybe just because they can. If there is anything to be tough on it's these type of crimes committed. It's up to everyone to make the World a better place to live in.

So you advocate abandoning those constitutional guarantees for due process? Why not just scrap the entire Bill of Rights, the Constitution and the courts. Let's embrace vigilante justice and forget that we are a country of laws.

due process, take way too dam long here in AMERICA, cost us a lot of taxe payers money.

underemployed, YES, with violent crimes that CLEARLY has charged the violent criminal. There has been cases where the guilty has been proven guilty, has confessed guilty and even WANTED the death penalty....and anti-death advocates and lawyers are flocking around to STOP the execution. That is COSTLY and STUPID. Make the violent crimes speedy! Look at high profile cases where people like OJ and CA got away with murder...because the defense team was better than reality and common sense. That has to go!

Decibella.. so apparently you couldn't care less about the innocent people your wonderful idea for hasty executions would have killed. You know, all those who languished on death row for YEARS only to eventually be found innocent? You know.. the whole PURPOSE why we have an appeals process so that we aren't just killing innocent people willy-nilly out of bloodlust?

Why, exactly, do you think making EXTRA DAMN SURE we are kiling the right person is a BAD THING?

Christina, not willy-nilly. There are many cases where the evidence is OVERWHELMING. Those are the cases I am talking about. In the CA case, she was found not guilty, because the defense came up with one theory: the child could have drowned and CA's father made her be quiet about it. Just because of ONE defense theory, the other evidence fade. That is not fair to the victims. Personally, I think we are on a wave to encourage crimes of this nature, since the defense is so powerful, there is no fear of a consequence. In other words, it pays off to kill...the punishment will be mild or the killer will get off.

@Decibella

You've told people "good evening" multiple times. I was really hoping that meant you were going away. What a disappointment that you're still here!

The majority of welfare recipients are white women with children who have been abandoned by the father of those children.

underemployed, yea, you are right, but for some people it is "easier" to blame the "illegals".

I believe that could have some serious consequences, because it would be exploited by criminals....