There is no need to put anyone through a dragged out legal process. This is a straight case and there is only one satisfactory ending to this. I am not a monster but what I am talking about does not involve locking him up.

If only his and Adam's father were not set to testify in the Libor scandal. Seems a little odd to have two of the children of the fathers set to testify in a case that has so much money on the line to both commit mass murders.

I wish there was some video evidence that shows up like Holmes in his orange hair buying a movie ticket and entering the theater (since no one actually saw his face). Could it be possible that someone drugged Holmes, kidnapped him, and had him waiting outside. Bought a movie ticket, committed the shooting, and set him up. Why was he waiting for police outside? Why not flee or try to shot the police?

Adam could have been a set up too. No one saw his face either and he decided to kill himself without a fight when he heard police coming... Someone could have killed both Lanzas and easily framed the son.

You are going to saw "you watch to many movies", except I do not. What are the odds/probability that the sons of two people set to testify in the same case commit mass murder? Has that ever happened before? It would only take a few corrupt individuals to make something like this happen. Granted if something is "possible" it will eventually happen, but why in a case with so much money on the line.

When there is that much money and power are on the line I expect people to bend and break the rules. When it comes to profit, a hundred lives or so is nothing. History has proven this time and time again.

Sucks for the residents of Colorado if he pleads out and gets life without parole...they get to support this murder for the rest of his life.

Tired you are so on the money. We aren't getting the whole story, just the edited version. I think this was done to send a warning to the fathers of these two brainwashed kids.

Crackpots...that's the kindest thing we can say about Tired and worn out.

It's funny how the "media" never mention this little coincidence about the fathers of these two guys that allegedly committed these mass murders. In the Newtown situation, the facts reported have been changed and streamlined so many times, it's nearly impossible to separate the real facts from the fake facts. Remember that there were initially multiple gunmen reported at Sandy Hook Elementary, the Bushmaster was recovered from the car, etc. etc. In the case of Aurora, think about the possible use of Scopolamine. Look it up:

I have a better idea. Have the trial, then blindfold him and put him up against a wall. Firing squad, done, over. Aurora cops-why did you let this looney tune walk? He could have "taken his own life" like the usual scenario.

Really, what about the bloody foot prints that went at least a hundred feet past his car to another parking space and mysteriously disappeared while HE was found sitting in his car with no bloody footprints nor any blood on his shoes? Hmmmm, very interesting that the media and the authorities want to overstate their case and rush to sweep this under the rug. There was another 4 death shooting in Aurora just the other night as well. makes me wonder what they're putting in the water there? LIBOR scandal anyone or are you content with being witch-hunting sheeple under the control of the media and the government?!?

Put him to death.Period.We know he did it so what's the reason to let him live?There is no reason to let him take up space and breathe in and out everyday.

Let's see, 3 meals a day, no taxes to pay, any education he wants, television in his cell, possible visits by female friends & the chance that some governor or president could pardon him in the future is a punishment?. Save the taxpayers all the time & money. Lock him in a room with the relatives of the people he killed & let nature take it's course

Try him and fry him. What are you going to do keep him
around and study him like a lab rat? There is no doubt he did it.

I know nothing of what Tired andTodd are speaking of but I would like to know where to read about it,After the FT.Hood shooting being ruled a "workplace incident" and Obama doesn't refute that? Or anyone else for that matter,I only mention Obama because he repeated and seems to except this as okey for our Military men and women who survived that attack not eligible for certain claims and settlements because it was workplace violence??I would entertain any evidence showing cover ups,this Administration is littered with them.

Actually RB they may do just that. Let me share this link with you but, since newsvine won't let me share links you'll have to plug in the http and the www

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253797/DNA-Sandy-Hook-killer-Adam-Lanza-examined-evil-gene-study-kind-conducted-mass-murderer.html

and Ster2, stories are all over the internet, just start plugging queries into your search engine and hit enter and peruse the results. There is enough verification to substantiate much of what you'll find.

Once again, it costs far less to incarcerate for life than to execute. It is also a much harsher punishment than being put to sleep. The death penalty doesn't deter, and it must stop being used. It's as barbaric as stoning.

I dont understand why people cant keep this straight. It costs far more to execute someone than it does to keep them in prison the rest of their lives. They sit on death row at least 16 years filing appeal after appeal after appeal which costs a fortune. Rarely do the appeals work and they are eventually put to death but it is dragged out for years and years. I am not pro-death sentence except maybe for monsters like this but again I feel it is the easy way out for them. I saw "let them suffer" before they get the needle.

Agreed Buffaloe51, even without the added cost of execution, it gives the person a LONG time (or short) in prison to think about it, and worry whether or not someone will get to them beforehand. Misery lasts a lot longer than immediate "out." I also don't believe CP is a deterent.

This @!$%# deserves no priligedges! That is the problem with Americia! Once a sinner you must convict! This guy went into the movie theatre where others were relaxing and watching a movie and open fired! How can there be anything other decision but conviction! He has no rights! This is America and we need to take back this country and put GOD in the equation! Let this guy stand trial and be hung!!!!!!!! How dare he take away our rights to be at home and live in peace and harmony!

I bet if Obama had a son he's look like this guy

Buffaloe: Stoning that is good, a really big rock dropped on him from a substantial height. 2 tons would make a good imprint and no doubt of quick death. Maybe?

I agree with the "conspiracy theorists", there's a whole helluva lot more to all of this than meets the eye. We are being dumbed down and kept in the dark on this crap.

my guess is the guy is mentally unfit for trial...i'm a good guesser...

I know that many people want to see this person punished severely, and some seem to feel the bother of a sanity hearing, or a trial, is an unnecessary bother. But there is such a thing as being too crazy to comprehend the wrongness of one's actions. I don't know if James Holmes falls into that category. But I certainly think it is worth finding out.

The checks and balances of the legal process are not there just to protect guilty parties from justice. They are there to prevent the innocent from being railroaded by either over-zealous prosecutors, or an angry public.

Buffaloe51

Once again, it costs far less to incarcerate for life than to execute. It is also a much harsher punishment than being put to sleep. The death penalty doesn't deter, and it must stop being used. It's as barbaric as stoning.

#1.14 -

Only because the lawyers drag it out, appeal after appeal. And they get paid regardless of the outcome of those appeals. As of 2010, the average wait on death row is 15 years, with all accompanying legal fees.

One solution, if the defense attorney loses an appeal, he doesn't get paid.

My solution; Best 2 out of 3. First a Trial. if found guilty, you get one appeal, all evidence is open and available. that way neither can argue suppressed evidence. If there is evidence to show a bad verdict, the state gets an appeal. This has a 2 year maximum. (obviously my solution has more detail than this, but this is the jist of it)

Also, I would add, that if a convict is later found to be innocent, the Prosecutor and the Defense Lawyer should both be disbarred. As it becomes obvious neither one did their job competently.

@ Tired, Todd, Ster2, & Midnight

I am glad I am not the only one who thinks the reporting on these incidents is speculation and sensationalism. Where are the time lines? Usually the MSM has a minute by minute account of what these individuals did before and during the attacks. Where is the follow up to the "other" individuals found at the scenes? What happened to the guy they tracked down? (they showed aerial video of the foot chase into the woods) An innocent bystander I am sure, but where is the verification?

And btw, the gun they found in the car turned out to be a shotgun, not a rifle as reported.

I just got into this on another vine, and WOW! Talk about a vitriolic reaction. I was just asking questions, looking for some verification of the facts. (I guess Liberals aren't interested in facts after all) here's a link:

usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/05/16367150-police-4-dead-including-gunman-in-aurora-colo-hostage-situation?commentId=73161680#c73161680

And like Leroy Jethro Gibbs says, "I don't believe in coincidence". (I do actually) But something smells awfully fishy here. I am not a conspiracy theory type, but I do know these things are possible, however improbable they may seem.

That is to say, the logically reason for this is just plain down right pi$$ poor reporting. Trying to get the scoop on the story and reporting things that aren't there. (Most so called journalists I have the misfortune of meeting aren't that bright or knowledgeable and wouldn't know an M-60 from a butter knife let alone a K-Bar) However, given the discrepancies, it sure opens the door for other likely scenarios.

After seeing videos and pictures of James Holmes, hearing his replies when questioned and then watching his reaction to some questions he was asked in a court of law, it is blatantly clear the guy was doped up. I'm guessing scopolomine. I think we have the same drug being used in Sandyhook. Something is really wrong here and it's not getting reported. The kid in Sandyhook shot his mom directly in the face, literally blew her face off. That is NOT NORMAL BEHAVIOR, not even for shootings like this. These shootings are off the wall! As tragic as all of this is, we've simply got to question the oddity and realize we've got probelms here that seem to lead to bigger fish.

I heard about the Libor case too but I haden't heard the parents of both boys were set to testify. I don't know if I believe that, I just haven't seen any proof to back that up but... the drug scopolomine turns people into walking zombies willing to do anything they are told and with ZEST! However, they hold no memory of involvement. Sure looks just like that. What I don't want to see is losing sight of the drug angle due to false info around the Libor case.

As far as the Libor case is concerned... everyone should read up on that for their own good. Talk about white collar crime. Whew. Seems like we are plagued with it these days.

Is that a little short sighted? My vote is to learn everything we can from him and his particular violent pathology; that means a lifetime of hospitalization and treatment.

I feel this was too costly not to examine him to exhaustion from every conceivable angle. Learn to treat him, learn to identify any signal that may exist in other people and maybe we'll get a little closer. Does he deserve the death penalty? That's a very hard question; what he did was inhuman and evil beyond measure in rational terms but he was also completely out of his mind.

If you think this is some sense of misplaced mercy, I personally think keeping him alive at this point is probably as cruel as any execution would ever be. We could make his life worse, for sure, but given the nature of his crimes and his mental illness, I don't know what purpose that would serve. I doubt he even remembers most of what happened if my past experiences with schizophrenics is any kind of prologue.

I think the public would benefit by finding out who he was treated by and what drugs he was given....but theres not much chance of that.

At his first hearing he was drugged,and the judge let it slide.He should have been given a drug test.

death penalty or nothing says the media spoon-fed drone. Who do you get to wake you up in the morning and who tells you how to get to work because you obviously don't have a mind of your own to figure those types of things out for yourself.

Todd
If you have inside info please share,Im not baiting you,I'd really like to know so I can see for myself,reliable un bias new is close to impossible anymore,and with this Administrations track record on cover ups and the hysteria of Anti-gunners with agendas,It would not be the first time somebody was used as a scapegoat to promote a false outcome and keep the guilty from reach.

Chris: When a dog attacks and kills, we put it down. Why? Because in the course of human events it is more than likely it is in his nature and he will do it again.

Little Jimmy the failure. Not a man just a cockroach of society.

When someone who has no gun ownership history, suddenly buys an arsenal of weapons and body armor, that should be a red flag.

That's why it's important to have a centralized database of gun purchases... But what are the chances of that happening? lol

journal journal

When someone who has no gun ownership history, suddenly buys an arsenal of weapons and body armor, that should be a red flag.

Suddenly buys an arsenal?????? 4 guns in total is NOT an arsenal and he made at least 3 purchases.

That's why it's important to have a centralized database of gun purchases... But what are the chances of that happening? lol

And just what would that database have done to prevent this? Far as I can tell it would have VERIFIED he purchased the firearms that he was found to be in possession of when he was arrested. Yep that would prevent what happened.

don97524

One problem is that too many guns are in the hands of people who should not have guns. Almost all guns are purchased legally.

And MOST guns used in crime are obtained ILLEGALLY.

I'm certain that the gang-bangers, drug dealers, and other miscreants go to the local gun store and get a background check./sarcasm.

It is illegal to drink and drive, yet thousands are injured and killed by drunk drivers every year. You can pass any law you wish and they will all be ignored by those who wish to ignore the law.

It was an arsenal. Normal people don't just wake up and say, "I'm going to go buy 3 semi-automatics, body armor and tons of ammunition" A database would have denied the purchases pending further questioning. You know, the same way a drunk driver can be pulled over if they're caught weaving on the road or gets caught in a checkpoint because it is illegal to drink and drive and the cops can legally arrest you for doing it. Not so with sudden gun purchases out of the blue from people who have no history of even holding a taser.

You keep saying "Oh, laws won't help anything." Laws do help. That's why Congress is suddenly feeling pressure to pass some.

What law will stop the shooting by madmen in the gun free school zones?

Will they obey it?

trust_verify

The point is that almost all guns are INITIALLY purchased legally, then sold to people who should not have them. I'm sorry I did not make that more clear. Something needs to be done about these secondary market sales of guns.

Bob

Why are you gun people so concerned about auto deaths. The two kinds of death have nothing to do with one another. However, if you wish to make the comparison, let's think about the fact that REGULATIONS are in place to reduce the number of auto accidents and there is no doubt that those regulations have been effective. The regulations range from safety engineering requirements of the vehicles, laws defining maximum blood alcohol (which has been reduced in recent years), rules of the road, etc.

We ARE trying to reduce the number of auto deaths. What are we doing about GUN DEATHS?

Are you silly enough to believe that when all deaths from a particular cause are not prevented that it is pointless to try anything?

johninpa

The prevention needs to happen before the "madman" arrives at the school zone with weapons. Let's work on keeping weapons away from madmen. Dig?

About the smartest ideas I have heard of. No one should be able to buy or own a gun unless he/she has a mental evaluation by at least two Psychology experts. A person going into a school or a theater to kill people is like shooting fish in a pond.

Trust_verify - Just how many guns make up an arsenal? I think 4 purchased in a very short time particularly by someone who's just making their first purchase would be something that would make a good case for checking into it. Especially when the buy a ton (No, moron, that's not literally a ton) of ammo. Add to it his purchase of freaking body armour and this SCREAMS "Look at me!"

What? your privacy? BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! Come on, even YOU'RE not that stupid right? C'mere and let me explain life to you. You walk into a pharmacy and buy some candy and some condoms. You slap down your credit or debit card and guess what happens next? The card company mines that data to try to figure out how they can make money off it. You may start getting some ads from wedding related services with your bill each month. That's right, short of a completely CASH society your habits are being examined. it's been going on for years. Remember those magazine ads you used to get with the little stickers? The choices you were sent weren't random, they were based on previous magazine and other purchases. So don't get up about your privacy, you gave that up a long time ago and your didn't even know it.

So why NOT start doing the same thing with guns? Four guns, a ton of ammo and body armour? You're gonna tell me this is what your common hunter would buy? Grow up, it should have set of alarms from here to Alaska and back but NOOoooo, You have to have your "privacy" no matter how many people die. After all, you can always blame it on the doctors.

Hey, while we're at it let's just let the government require everyone to give a DNA sample too so they can profile us by our genetic makeup so, when the Herr Doktors isolate the "Evil" gene, they can round up and imprison everyone who possesses that gene whether they have commited a crime or not.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253797/DNA-Sandy-Hook-killer-Adam-Lanza-examined-evil-gene-study-kind-conducted-mass-murderer.html

Just add a http and a www to the front end of that and read that story if you think I'm kidding but spare me your childish personal attacks because you're too much of a coward to investigate the truth and what about the bloody footprints at the theater shooting that went 100 feet past Holmes' car to another parking space and disappeared while Holmes was found sitting in his car with no bloody foot prints around and no blood on his shoes? There was another 4 death shooting in Aurora just the other night as well. Makes me wonder what they're putting in those peoples' water.

Fred

"About the smartest ideas I have heard of. No one should be able to buy or own a gun unless he/she has a mental evaluation by at least two Psychology experts"

That is about the dumbest idea I've heard of. It's a waste of time and money. It's not difficult to act and appear normal to a doctor if you are in fact mentally ill. Psychology is not an exact science so it's also possible a normal person might be found mentally ill.

How many times has a person committed a crime where everyone thinks the guy must be crazy, yet he is found competent.

At what stage do we decide that a person is to mentally ill to own a gun? Is depression a reason not to own a gun, or should it be a social disorder?

Brought to you by the "Captain Obvious of the Day" post...

don - Did I say I was a "gun person"? Why must you immediately attack? And the question is, why are you NOT concerned about auto deaths?

My point I was making is that you can make all the regulations you wish and you will NOT stop some one who wishes to ignore them. You can demonize guns and gun owners until the cows come home and folks will find other ways to kill. (OJ used a knife, Teddy used a Caddy, McVeigh used fertilizer.) You can be like the fools in Cook County and believe that taxing gun owners is the way to stop the violence, and you will fail as miserably as they are. (I really don't believe that the gangs of Chicago have Corporate accounts at Bass Pro)

You speak of general regulations in place to stop auto deaths, but you ignored the drinking and driving. Why is this? The problem is that we immortalize those celebrities, and our politicians, who commit this act making it almost glamorous to the youth. When Paris Hilton gets a weekend in some country club jail, then gets a hero's welcome at home on release, what does this say? When Lindsay Lohan gets chance after chance, each slap on the wrist becoming just a little harsher, with a big apology to follow, what does this say? When an Illegal Alien, twice deported for DUI, comes back to the US then kills a Nun in another DUI, and Immigrants groups come to his DEFENSE, what does this say? You folks would be the first to throw away the key if any of these offenses were committed with a BB gun much less a 9mm.

The NRA is the LEADING group in the US advocating gun safety. Their President was just vilified for daring to suggest that school have armed guards, yet it was similar to what Barbara Boxer (D-CA) suggested when she advocated using the National Guard and she was applauded. Why is this? Could (horror of horrors) Politics be playing a part here? Or could it be that some just don't want to have a "good tragedy go to waste" (from Rahm Emmanuel).

Just on a side note, more people died from Ted Kennedy's car than by any gun I have ever owned.

Frederick: Psychologist's like the one's who said Charlie Manson and Jeffery Dahmer were sane? The ones who said the man who cut the arms off a fifteen year old girl was sane. Who then got released from prison and killed more girls. Those types of pyschologist's? Recently the pediphile who killed a child because he was deemed cured? I don't put much trust in that so I"ll stick with owning weapons and being vigilant like all good citizens should be. Ready to stand by your neighbors and countrymen not waiting for someone else to solve problems when their not even there. Remember Flight 93 the day Americans stepped forward and said "Let's Roll." Stand and be counted is Americas motto. Friend or Foe?

Bob

You were trying to make a point by comparing gun deaths to auto deaths due to drunk driving. We HAVE stricter DUI laws than in the past and the deaths due to drunk driving have decreased. Therefore your point is not valid. You believe that you are proving your point with your anecdotal evidence about Linsey Lohan and illegal aliens. Amusing stories, but the fact is that stricter DUI laws have resulted in decreased DUI fatalities.

And ...... the NRA is the LEADING group fighting any impediments to lots of people getting lots of guns with lots of firepower and, if they want them, large capacity ammunition clips. Hunter safety is a good issue, but compared with the deaths involving hand guns and semi-automatic weapons the hunting deaths are negligible.

Why do they even still call themselves the National RIFLE Association. Why not the National Hand Gun And Other Human Killing Firearm Association?

journal journal

It was an arsenal. Normal people don't just wake up and say, "I'm going to go buy 3 semi-automatics, body armor and tons of ammunition"

Again he did NOT buy all FOUR guns at the same time. He purchased them in pairs of one long gun and one hand gun. NOT an unusual purchase. He purchased them 30 days apart. The amount of ammunition is NOT that unusual either. Many people, especially on Colorado, go to the range on a weekend with friends and go through hundreds if not thousands of rounds. He could have produced his own in greater quantities had he chosen to do so and no one would have known until the shooting.

AGAIN HOW would a registration have prevented what happened? "sir we notice you have purchased X weapons in this period of time".... "Yes officer I ...... pick your set of falsehoods or even truths....." Not so long ago some guys decided to take flying lessons.... there was this other guy that rented a truck and purchased a large quantity of fertilizer and diesel fuel... a postal worker bought several rolls of tape....

don97524

but the fact is that stricter DUI laws have resulted in decreased DUI fatalities.

Actually enforcing the laws and stricter punishment has decreased the number of repeat offenders. BETTER safety equipment and life saving techniques have reduced the number of deaths.. that is borne out by the overall reduction of traffic deaths even as the total number of vehicle miles has increased over the years.

On the other hand the total number of firearms, and percent of households owning firearms, has increased while the overall crime rate, including homicides by all means, has declined and the percentage of homicide by firearm has remained relatively the same. The number of "mass" shootings has remained about the same for the past 50 years. I'm not saying even one is acceptable. The biggest thing has been the immediacy of reporting and the ability of "individuals" to participate in the discussion.

Mass shootings, the current emphasis, is a relatively small number of the annual gunshot deaths in the United States. The number of total gun fatalities in this country is roughly 1000x greater than in most developed countries, for example England, Germany and Japan. That shameful statistic is related to the large number of non-hunting firearms and the woeful level of regulations regarding responsibility regarding guns.

This Ray talking to you Don,England,Germany, Japan along with many other countries,do not have the right to bear arms. You look at these countries that do not have that right,they are fighting to live the best way they know how. As far as buying a gun from a dealer, you fill out some paper work,it then goes to the D.O.J. for you to be checked out. When you have to wait for 5 to 10 days before you can pick the long gun or hand gun up.For body armer that is got a Surplus store So before you start comparing other Countries ,with the United States,see how these other Countries are living and if you would like to live under their laws. I've been around this world four time and the United States is the only place to be ,ask any foreigner.

Ray & ......

OK ..... we have the right to bear arms and we pay for that right with a lot of lives.

I also have travelled to other countries and many people in other countries who feel very free believe that America is a wonderful country with three exceptions, attitudes about the 3 G's

• Guns
• God
• Gays

Maybe I asked different people than you did

You are right on target! I'm so tired of seeing the faces of these mass killers, it's disgusting. One time in the initial report is enough...the media is giving them the attention they were crave...enough already...

Yeah, I mean if people keep seeing mass shootings on the news they might want to do something about lax gun laws.

Journal, nobody said they shouldn't tell the stories. Just keep the perps name and face out of it. Refer to them as "the killer" or "the deranged man".

I understand your point but I disagree. I want to know if I see that guy in the streets or at my door, or if he ends up being my neighbor, that he is a mass murderer, because our laws are often too soft for "people" like him. You know, the "poor him, its not his fault, he is sick" thing, we "heal" him, and then release him after a few years. Like the "man" who murdered his grandmother, then was eventually released, and went on to murder firefighters.

you are clown

So your answer for mass murder prevention is censorship. It ain't gonna happen and it would not work anyway. Copycat mass murder cases are extremely rare ..... each of those murders has his own story and each story is different.

Let's work on keeping guns away from these people. It might be necessary for people who have guns to demonstrate that they are responsible enough to have guns.

Well, so much for freedom of the press.

Are there any other aspects of society you think should be controlled?

I.M.

How about we control gun owner responsibility?

don97524, you mention that copycats are rare. That may or may not be true in the case of serial killers, but what we are doing here in making martyrs out of these people. Want to be famous? Kill a bunch of people. MSNBC will keep your name in lights and your picture on the front page for weeks on end. The name and identity should be kept out of the story.

-Anna- You make a very good point. This guy doesn't have any chance of ever walking the streets as a free man again, but what you mentioned is all to common in the case of child sex offenders and murderers. I would also like to see a one strike your out on certain crimes - murder and child rape specifically.

Haven't you heard about Fast & furious? The government sells weapons to the drug lords in Mexico that return to the U.S. Lets start there instead of with people who already obey the laws as they stand. Then go after the criminals who don't care about the laws. These semi automatic weapons that their talking about could include everything from pistols, rifles & shotguns since if they have more than bullet in them they will fire every time you pull the trigger. It's not right that a off duty cop can carry one in the trunk of his car but i can't. If you ban them, do it for everyone including police & politicians. Even now, some of The politicians want to carry concealed weapons & their the ones who want to restrict our rights to do the same.

or they could refer to them as "The Alleged Killer" or "The Suspect In These Killings" since I'm pretty sure the government hasn't suspended due process yet so maybe many of you could quit being such witch-hunting little drones, doing the media and government's job for them by whipping up the hysteria and fear. Don't worry though, when the "Herr Doktors" isolate the "Evil" gene, as they have been instructed to do by the Connecticut state ME in the Adam Lanza/Sandy Hook case, the government will oblige all of you and suspend due process and then require you all to surrender a sample of your DNA so they can profile you and, if found to possess the gene in your make up, will escort you off to indefinite detention as a danger to society without ever having commited a crime.

Just plug the http and the www onto the front end of that

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253797/DNA-Sandy-Hook-killer-Adam-Lanza-examined-evil-gene-study-kind-conducted-mass-murderer.html

you are clown: I agree with you. I understand it's a freedom-of-press issue, but unless the shooter is at large (which they usually are not), we don't need to know their identity, just what happened. The press isn't always free anyway; details and identities are often witheld to protect the integrity of a police investigation or to protect victims. Why not withold the identity of a mass murderer to protect THEIR FAMILY MEMBERS from retaliation and harassment? The media prematurely identified the Newtown, CT shooter as his older brother Ryan! How the remaining members of the Lanza family will find any kind of peace after being branded like this is beyond me.

To all you posters here that propose some common sense gun legislation - BRAVO!!

We need to have a database of gun purchases, close the loop holes and not let mentally dangerous individuals purchase guns. I fully agree that Mr. perpetrator (May his name be blotted out for eternity) acquired an arsenal and that should've been a red flag. Also no one but no one should be able to own semi- automatic weapons that can shoot a god awful amount of bullets without reloading. Just as fully automatic weapons are difficult if not impossible to obtain.

David LG

We need to have a database of gun purchases,

What would that database have done in this case?

close the loop holes

Which loophole do you feel he stepped through in this case? ALL the firearms were legal purchases and included a background check.

and not let mentally dangerous individuals purchase guns

Since the mental health system FAILED to flag this individual (it was "in the works???") just how do you propose fixing the system with a database beyond what already exists?

Oh don't worry, they'll be "fast-tracking" the death penalty process soon enough but do not whine when you find yourself lined up as the next victim of the guillotine when your DNA sample proves you have the "Evil" gene.

TONYWARVET

Guns always trump innocent peoples lives says the gun nuts.

Can you explain what that means to someone not a psychopath? And what is your definition of a gun nut? Is it not the metal piece that holds the swivel for the sling? I myself have 4 rifles I use for hunting, I do not consider myself a nut in any sense of the word. To me very little is more precious than a human life (my family especially); I also do not believe every human life is equally valued, e.g. a murderous scumbag's life is worthless and should have his right to live exonerated. The ONLY thing worth more than a decent human being's life is liberty & freedom, remember these Tony? Hundred's of thousands have already given their lives for us to still keep these basic human rights, so I will now state it must be you that are crazy to start removing these basic human rights, as for your first statement I believe you need a psychiatric assessment yourself as you are the only one that understands whats in your mind.

Ken Trout.............My definition of a gun nut is not you. You don't own any of those guns that spit out hundreds of bullets per minute. The people that own those ARE THE GUN NUTS. Of course, you are a little out there on the crazy fringe. You believe there are more important things than a decent human beings life. Really? To whom?

And if you really think Tonywarvet needs a psychiatric assessment..........why, I'll bet I could get 12 people to say you need one too. Whatcha think???

SoSick, so, by your definition, our military, our police departments and our government are all gun nuts because they all advocate and possess the types of weapons, for themselves, that you describe as the basis for your definition. But when they decide YOU are the enemy who is going to protect you from them and if you think I'm just blowing smoke you should find out about the research into the "EVIL" gene that has been ordered by the Connecticut ME on the DNA of Adam Lanza. Once the doctors have isolated that gene and require EVERY man, woman and child in this country to surrender a DNA sample so they can be profiled by that gene and, once found to have that 'genetic disorder', will be indefinitely isolated from society as a threat without ever having commited a crime then, if you have that genetic disorder, you become an enemy of the state.

here's the story if you're not too much of a coward to read it and investigate the truth for yourself. Just plug in the http and the www on the front since newsvine won't let me share links.

dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2253797/DNA-Sandy-Hook-killer-Adam-Lanza-examined-evil-gene-study-kind-conducted-mass-murderer.html

and at least Ken and I aren't hiding behind ridiculous aliases like so many of you on here who claim to "not be afraid". If you're not afraid, why not use your real name?!?

SANE PEOPLE don't have sex with members of the same sex nor do they copulate with animals. We have a lot of people here that would disagree with me on that point But C'EST LA VIE . . .

He is no crazier than any otherfreak . . . he just gets his kicks in different ways.

Oh do not worry Julia, they government will be suspending due process and "fast-tracking" the death penalty process soon enough but do not whimper and whine when you find yourself next in line for the guillotine because you have been found to possess the "Evil" gene.

Move to a socialist country they have strict gun laws and they will protect you. Aristocratic ones might be more your cup of tea though. I am offended by people calling anyone who use guns demented sociopath's when it is uncalled for. There are many destructive weapons that have been in the hands of Americans for centuries. It is only recently that a plethora of violent attacks have occurred after the implimatation of the most intrusive laws ever bestowed upon the citizens of the US. The Patriot Act, Homeland Security, and lesser known information act which allows the gathering of information without due notice. War on terrorism. Feel Safe?

We don't have a hardware problem in this country, we have a software problem. Don't make me pay for some nut bags meltdown.

Large well trained dogs are more likely to turn on their masters than a 12 guage is.

You call gun owners "paranoid", I call them realistic (and people who simply enjoy target shooting and/or hunting), I call them people who would rather be able to protect themselves and their family than be defenseless if faced with a criminal who would threaten their lives. You fear an inanimate object, I fear the criminal, and an inanimate object in the hands of a criminal, whether this object be a gun, a knife, a car, or anything else that can be used to kill. You think guns are bad, I think they are the best self-defense weapon. You think guns should be banned, I think if they were it is the law abiding citizens who would be left defenseless.

I also believe in the 2nd Amendment, and in our right to bear arms. For private self-defense, defense of the country if it was ever attacked, and defense against tyranny if it ever happened.

Thomas Jefferson: “Laws that forbid the carrying of arms…disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes…Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”

John Adams: “Arms in the hands of individual citizens may be used at individual discretion… in private self defence.”

James Madison: The Constitution preserves “the advantage of being armed which Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation…(where) the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms.”

Anna.............Do you think Jefferson Adams and Madison were referring to semi-automatic weapons? Really? You want to keep you blunderbuss, that's okay. The other sh!t I think we should take away from you.

so sick, fat chance.

our 2nd amendment rights were insured by the founding fathers to protect us from tyrannical governments, including our own, and the type and style of weapons are not limited to what the founding fathers had available in their day but are relative to contemporary standards so, SoSick, your paranoid, self-serving logic just doesn't wash.

Sosick: You forgot the Nock gun. 1779 If you had two it would surpass 10 round magazine. (14 barrels)

I almost forgot sosick; who is this "we" should take your guns from you?

SoSickoftheGop

Anna.............Do you think Jefferson Adams and Madison were referring to semi-automatic weapons?

They were not referring to any specific guns, they were referring to the right to protect yourself, your family, and your country, either against a potential enemy, or against a government that would become a dictatorship. The potential enemies didn't have semi-automatic weapons either at the time.

P.S. to Bob: Nock gun is a good example, I also thought of the Punt guns, but they were invented a bit later if I am not mistaken.

Anna: As far as weapons go there is some real serious stuff invented hundreds if not thousands of years ago. Catapults loaded with big rocks or other sh.t, massive damage. Rockets used by military and Warlords for centuries.

bob-2476682

Anna: As far as weapons go there is some real serious stuff invented hundreds if not thousands of years ago. Catapults loaded with big rocks or other sh.t, massive damage. Rockets used by military and Warlords for centuries.

Very true.

2 hours,no answer....

anybody??????????

was it the popcorn?

he liked the decor?

You know why he chose it – of the many in his area, this was the only one posted: GUN FREE ZONE.

And sorry, I know a photographer who was on the scene in minutes (less than ten) and was there every day for nearly 60 days – no bloody footprints. Sorry. Urban myth.

johninpa...they were showing a killer movie...

johninpa

why did Holmes pick that theatre?

YOU are asking us to SPECULATE as to why someone that MOST of us would describe as a mental defect would choose any particular action... The first question would be why he chose to do the shooting and since most sane people cannot conceive of a valid reason to do that it is impossible to speculate why that particular theater.

NOW if you are asking WHY a THEATER?:

Large number of guaranteed unarmed VICTIMS in a gun free (victim) zone is likely the answer. Also he was likely to blend in with theater goers in various costumes... there we go lets ban all costumes in public so nut jobs stand out.

Crazy, nut case, does not equal stupid.

Mary Davis gets it....the anti gunners get it ,too.

Gun free zone..the man Holmes is crazy,but not crazy enough to go where he might get shot.

Please quote your source for...the NRA sold him his weapons.

It's just a fad, they'll grow out of it.

It was the US government who gave a gun to a guy who knew a guy he could trade for money or drugs. Then that guy gave it to someone else who came across the border sold the drugs pawned the gun and then went back to his country and did it again. You can pick from over a hundred countries of origin too. Damn Canadians.

Tony, you just cemented your place in the "gun grabbers hall of the uninformed" In order to solve our problem of all this "crap killing" we need to have a rational conversation, It seems to me that you, my friend, are not rational.

TONYWARVET

Most are wimps who could never defend themselves without a weapon. They think the gun makes the man,when that's never the case. some gun owners are not rational or responsible.

I am a woman, and I believe that if a man attacked me I would be defenseless (and most men as well, as most are not ready for a fight with a person who would intend to kill them), and he would most probably be able to hurt me and/or kill me. You on the other hand, seem to think of yourself as some kind of Rambo or Bruce Lee, but most people are more realistic then you, and they would rather own guns and be called "wimps", then be the stupid dead guy who thought he could take on the criminal.

Guns are equalizers.

Not rational nor war vet.

@TONYWARVET --- I'll highly doubt your Veteran status, unless you are permanturely anticipating your role in WW III.

that a girl Anna! You tell em!

Probably not. The ACLU would never stand for any perceived infringement of his precious "civil rights".

Tony,,,"I we had better enforcement ,more scrutiny, especially in the selling of weapons,stricter penalties for weapons violations and much longer sentences for convicted weapons violators that would help."

This sentence is total correct. I, as one of your "gun nuts", support this. Oh, and by the way, I am a member of the NRA. We need to work very hard to accomplish what your sentence says, but it will not be easy. We get into mental health, and that is a tough one.

Mental health is not a problem. In 1972 a guy would come to your house to do a Lobotomy. Isn't science great? We now have Nano-bots that can be inserted and instructed to adjust or alter brain function, cool huh?

Wallyjaz I am totally with you on this one, what kind of bull@!$%# system do we have in this country it is getting insane no wonder you got all those sickies acting up.

They know exactly what they are doing, but our taxes get raised because we are housing these sore excuses for living, wanna solve the economy, round up every criminal that ever killed anyone shoot them in the head and problem solved and so will the economy. The tax payers will thank us for it

So you kill people with a low IQ like Hitler did? what about George Bush Senior, he was under 100 in IQ----, just where are you setting the limit--at 100 or 98? or 78?--Remember 50 % of all people are at 100 and below--so where should we start the killing?

But the US dept of justice is a joke when it comes to police/politicians killing people by gun, chasing and otherwise, like they are free to do so like some dictator countries!.

In wallyworld all the crazy people are rounded up and shot!

The solution to increasing gun violence? Guns for everyone! The gun manufacturers are laughing all the way to the bank.

He'd probably get sold a bunch of guns with no background check.

Troll.

I can certainly see why the United States has so many people behind bars if it's as much fun as you seem to think.

Wouldn't that just be shi* in your cornflakes if they were Christians and forgave him only to place him in prison for life.