drano: THAT was ACE.

Give it 20 more years; the lad will be running for the senate....

It's no worse than the pot smoking politicians. It's amazing how many of them either do, or have smoked it, but won't legalize it lol

Hey, if I had Rand Paul for a father, I'd skip the alcohol and go straight for the heroin!

I thought the last A beating would be the end of hearing about Paul's. I guess they come back like a bad case of the boogers......

bagdad,

The apple seldom falls far from the tree and a son of a popularly elected federal official who places his father's reputation in jeopardy simply to satisfy his own reckless impulse is likely a very bad seed.

This a story.... we all have had someone in our familys that have had these problems...

Ah yes...they request privacy for family members. Of course if it's the Obama family, his wife and even his daughters are subjected to the most vicious and vile comments from the radical right wing scum with which Mr. Paul so identifies. Can you just imagine if one of President Obama's underage daughters was caught drunk and disorderly? Like the alcoholic Bush daughters, arrested how many times?...for underage drinking. The degenerates at Fux, Dick Morris, Laura Ingram and all the rest of the drooling lip flappers would be waiting in line to make a public spectacle out of the incident. The right wing republikan hypocrisy is just breathtaking.

Ah yes...they request privacy for family members. Of course if it's the Obama family, his wife and even his daughters are subjected to the most vicious and vile comments from the radical right wing scum with which Mr. Paul so identifies. Can you just imagine if one of President Obama's underage daughters was caught drunk and disorderly? Like the alcoholic Bush daughters, arrested how many times?...for underage drinking. The degenerates at Fux, Dick Morris, Laura Ingram and all the rest of the drooling lip flappers would be waiting in line to make a public spectacle out of the incident. The right wing republikan hypocrisy is just breathtaking.

Uh yes, it would amount to "Those darn kids, doing silly things"

Come on. we are talking about a little underage drinking. 90% or more of all teenagers have or will have some alcohol at some point while they're still teens.

The only hypocrisy is your bitching about it.

bagdadjoe-1347766, your Senator is one of the biggest problems this country has. He and his TeaParty are eager to let our country be destroyed so millionaires don't have to pay their fair share of taxes.

Of course the left has never had incidents with the law.......

Teddy and Chappaquiddick, but then I guess Death and abandonment does not matter.

It is a fools errand to point fingers on either side of the aisle when speaking of the Children of our Representatives.

I would rather spend time making the rep accountable for themselves, and that would be a feat since they are all graduated attorneys.

Yep, Robert Warner, Millionaires like Obama who will NOT pay taxes for his use of Air Force One. Of course, it is ok for President to use Air Force until one has to push the "fair tax" hypocrisy on use. None of the rest of us get to use Air Force One at the Taxpayer's expense. So for Obama to pay his "Fair Share", he should be paying for all his benefits that he gets as a President that the rest of us don't get. Afterall, it is only "fair"

Dougler, per the Robert Warners, the "fair share" is the more productive you are as a citizen, then the more you pay to support the Union Thugs and Career Welfare Receipients.

TheDougler---A little under age drinking kills dozens and dozens of teenagers in this country every year. Talk to the parents of the young man at Northern Illinois University who died of alcohol poisoning in a fraternity hazing incident just a few weeks ago. Ah, "Those darn kids, doing silly things" like driving home drunk from a party and killing themselves and friends on a rain slicked highway. Your post was idiocy.

Kurt's comments said ; "Of course, if we had Rand Paul as President, our National Debt would be A LOT lower then the current 16 Trillion and there would be no "Fiscal Cliff" issues"

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Well, Kurt, if your deadbeat state- like the rest of the red states- could support itself our National Debt wouldn't be the problem it is today. You have some stones crying about federal debt in supporting Rand Paul when his state gets about $1.50 from the federal government for every $1 dollar it sends to Washigton. Before you tend to the speck in others eyes, maybe you should tend to the beam in Kentucky's eye.

I'm sorry bluelake. I missed the part where this kid was driving....Oh that's right he wasn't.

I also missed the part where my statement wasn't true.

The idiocy is the fact that you are making it a republican/democrat issue.

Robert Warner-3092405

Kurt's comments said ; "Of course, if we had Rand Paul as President, our National Debt would be A LOT lower then the current 16 Trillion and there would be no "Fiscal Cliff" issues"

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Well, Kurt, if your deadbeat state- like the rest of the red states- could support itself our National Debt wouldn't be the problem it is today. You have some stones crying about federal debt in supporting Rand Paul when his state gets about $1.50 from the federal government for every $1 dollar it sends to Washigton. Before you tend to the speck in others eyes, maybe you should tend to the beam in Kentucky's eye.

So when you take in money from your boss, is she/he giving you welfare?

Your idea of welfare is extremely loosely based.

When looking at REAL welfare, there are only 2 "Red" States in the top 15.

But I wouldn't expect you to be able to separate actual welfare from budgetary money acquired by politicians.

By the way I'm still waiting for this

Hey Robert. Can you please breakdown what "fair share" is? And don't tell me what isn't a "fair share", I want to know what IS a "fair share" and how you would decide to breakdown the different income levels, so that everyone "Pays their fair share"

MSNBCMFE

bagdad,

The apple seldom falls far from the tree and a son of a popularly elected federal official who places his father's reputation in jeopardy simply to satisfy his own reckless impulse is likely a very bad seed.

The only way his father's reputation is in jeopardy is with idiots who look at a kid who was caught drinking underage and then say things like "the apple seldom falls far from the tree".

He's 19 years old. He drank alcohol. So do almost 80% of teens. Expecting him to never do anything wrong simply because his father is a Senator is just flat-out ignorant.

TheDougler960608

So when you take in money from your boss, is she/he giving you welfare?

Your idea of welfare is extremely loosely based.

When looking at REAL welfare, there are only 2 "Red" States in the top 15.

But I wouldn't expect you to be able to separate actual welfare from budgetary money acquired by politicians.

By the way I'm still waiting for this

What's the difference? Welfare is money spent or given to people who can't afford to, or won't, fix their own problems. That's red states.

When looking at REAL welfare, there are only 2 "Red" States in the top 15.

For starters, the Federal Government is not the "boss" of the states. The states are not salaried employees working for the Federal Government.

It's actually very easy to understand: there are states that take more money from the Federal Government than they pay in taxes (i.e., the moochers, the ones that increase our national debt), and there are states that pay more money in taxes than they receive from the Federal Government (i.e., the givers, the ones that pay the bills). There are only 17 "givers" in the country, only one of which voted Romney last year. And of the top 15 moochers, 11 voted Romney.

Spin it all you want, it doesn't change facts: red states contribute far more toward our national debt than blue states.

James Winn

TheDougler960608

So when you take in money from your boss, is she/he giving you welfare?

Your idea of welfare is extremely loosely based.

When looking at REAL welfare, there are only 2 "Red" States in the top 15.

But I wouldn't expect you to be able to separate actual welfare from budgetary money acquired by politicians.

By the way I'm still waiting for this

What's the difference? Welfare is money spent or given to people who can't afford to, or won't, fix their own problems. That's red states.

That would be a fantastic statement, if only it were actually true.

You see it's the blue states that have some of the worst debt problems. California comes immediately to mind. Most red states have no problems whatsoever in that area. Just because red state politicians are better at getting funding for the projects (keep in mind many of which have mixed state senates and houses) doesn't mean they take in more "welfare".

Again, the democrats use the term "welfare" extremely loosely. There is a difference, whether you want to admit to it or not.

This kid knew better than to order drinks on a plane as an underage minor. It would not be beyond speculating Little Rand used the fact that his daddy was a Senator of 'tucky and he should be served. Or I will tell me daddy on you. Being the son of a dentist in 'tucky would be tend to bring this brat a good life. Dental hygiene is not a priority down there. In reality the press should treat this like his father run's his mouth about how this country is being run. Drag it through the front pages and shame the entire family if they have are capable of being shamed.

As for teen drinking, well how many end up drunk at an international airport? Not your average teen does or we would be seeing and hearing more about it on the news. What happened to the family values these Tebaggers brag about and preach about? I would suspect what this kid is doing is mimicking his family values. Could the reason Rand Paul became so quiet after his ride with the President on Air Force One have something to do with family values as Little Rand just showed the world? This causes me to wonder what else Little Rand is in to as well.

Let's hope Ashley Judd knocks Big Rand off his throne and provides him with some humiliation. Big Rand can go back to being a dentist and tell his clients about when he was a Teabagger Senator that held this country hostage instead of working to create jobs. Should bring him so more clients just to hear his rant and swaggered attitude. In the meantime Little Rand will get off with nothing for underage drinking and public drunk. Afterall North Carolina is a Red State. They will protect their own even if it is from 'tucky.

Fear of flying? Just a thought ...

On topic: This happens all over the country on a daily basis. Maybe not at an airport, but certainly across the country. Police are called because of teen parties where alcohol is, or because of suspected teen inebriation.

Off topic:

Kurt, get it thru your head that the Presidents name is NOT Barry. You and people like you continue to disrespect the President for no valid reason, and have the audacity to call yourselves Americans. All you do is give this countries enemies fuel in their preaching hate towards America by showing how small minded some hate filled people are. Keep up the good work (sarc).

Kurt's comments

So Bluelake, you claim Obama's "daughters are subjected to the most vicious and vile comments", can you provide back up for this?? I think you are getting confused with the Palin's Children.

Bluelake stated: IF

Bluelake

Ah yes...they request privacy for family members. Of course if it's the Obama family, his wife and even his daughters are subjected to the most vicious and vile comments from the radical right wing scum with which Mr. Paul so identifies.

Also Kurt:

The National debt would exist regardless, because if you haven't noticed it takes a hell of a lot longer than four years to erase it. Clinton did it in 8. Further the President DOES NOT control spending CONGRESS does. and if and when certain members of congress stop filibustering everything that President Obama or his administration propose, then maybe the U.S. economy would stay in a positive direction.

TheDougler960608

That would be a fantastic statement, if only it were actually true.

You see it's the blue states that have some of the worst debt problems. California comes immediately to mind. Most red states have no problems whatsoever in that area. Just because red state politicians are better at getting funding for the projects (keep in mind many of which have mixed state senates and houses) doesn't mean they take in more "welfare".

Again, the democrats use the term "welfare" extremely loosely. There is a difference, whether you want to admit to it or not.

Yeah, if you're looking at total debt, California certainly does top the list. But total debt is skewed by the fact that California has far more people than any other state. Change it to total debt PER RESIDENT, and you'll once again see red states topping the list.

DERAIL: How did a news article about the arrest of the teenage son of a politician become just another platform for hijacking the discussion to make it about partisan arguments over the National debt?

Some of you folks really need to get a grip!

Hey Joe, for the record, while at Occidental College in L.A. Friends of his knew him both as Barack Obama, and Barry Obama, according to an Occidental spokesman. So it's no stretch to call him Barry.

Occidental spokesman Tranquada: Contemporary public documents, such as the 1979-80 freshman ‘Lookbook’ published at the beginning of President Obama’s first year at Occidental, list him as Barack Obama. All of the Occidental alumni I have spoken to from that era (1979-81) who knew him as Barry Obama

factcheck.org/2009/05/was-obama-born-in-the-usa/

Joe Vet, never stated the National Debt would NOT exist if Rand Paul was President rather I stated "our National Debt would be A LOT lower than the current $16 Trillion". We would have a much lower National Debt today, if Rand Paul was President since January of 2009 rather than the Spendaholic/Taxaholic Barry Soetoro and of course, the country would be much better off economically today with a Rand Paul Presidency.

Obama, the ONLY "President" with Over $1 Trillion Annual "Budget" Deficits... and he had them 4 years in a row heading for the fifth year in a row.

'TheDougler960608,' the point is ... when a person is elected President of the United States, even the Vice President of the United States addresses that person as "Mr. President" (and hopefully someday "Madam President"). Childhood and adolescent friends who once knew Barack Obama as "Barry" would now also say "Mr. President." This is what respectful, civil and grown-up people do. If nothing else they show respect for the office.

Referring to President Obama as "Barry" IS disrespectful, and is intended to be. You know it, so don't try to take shelter when called on disrespectful incivility by presenting lame defensive arguments. We know what you folks are doing, and why you are doing it. and we also know what that makes you, regardless of your claims to the contrary.

Food for thought: When you show such uncivil disrespect for others, you also are disrespecting yourself in the eyes of others.

But I guess "Dubya" was ok then?

If the worst that is said about Obama is that people are calling him "Barry", then please, you don't really have anything to complain about.

MSNBCMFE says:

The apple seldom falls far from the tree and a son of a popularly elected federal official who places his father's reputation in jeopardy simply to satisfy his own reckless impulse is likely a very bad seed.

I agree, you're so right, just look at all those Kennedy kids.

No, "Dubya" was NOT ok. It speaks to your mindset that someone who would point out your incivility must be speaking from partisanship.

Are you arguing that two wrongs make a right? Your hatred and partisanship is clouding your judgement. You might want to give that some thought.

Robert in Oregon

No, "Dubya" was NOT ok. It speaks to your mindset that someone who would point out your incivility must be speaking from partisanship.

Are you arguing that two wrongs make a right? Your hatred and partisanship is clouding your judgement. You might want to give that some thought.

Nothing is clouding my judgment. I have no hatred for Obama, or democrats in general. You're making an argument about something as pety as calling the President "Barry". Come on man, what are you really complaining about? NOTHING.

How about we speak to the mindset that when responding to Robert Warners comments about "fair share", when I simply ask for a definition of what "Fair Share" is, and how it would be broken down based on income levels, the hatred and partisanship of this very message board has the closemindedness to colapse my post.

I've been asking for months for dems to define "Fair Share", I find it interesting either no one will answer, or they'll jump to the "I'll tell you what isn't fair" BS. I guess defining "fair share" doesn't really assist in their argument further than simple rhetoric to create class warfare. Gotta hand it to Barry, he did a hell of a job dividing the nation.

TheDougler960608

"...Gotta hand it to Barry, he did a hell of a job dividing the nation."

Thanks for the chuckle. The humorous irony of your comment is that it is the abundant incivility - such as the tenor of your own posts on Newsvine - that is actually "dividing the nation"; and that fact is entirely lost on you. Incivility fuels incivility and divisiveness.

If you want to change the dynamic, ...stop fueling it.

Not fueling anything. I didn't know it was illegal to call someone by their name. Forgive me for I have sinned lol

By the way Robert in Oregon. Would you like to take a shot at the definition of "Fair Share" ? I really would like an honest answer to what "Fair share" actually is, and how it breaks down with regards to income levels.

Another spoiled rich brat..born with a golden spoon up his butt!

You're right Robert. Little ole me a Republican on a left leaning message board is "dividing the nation"

It's about time someone recognized my power of influence ::rolls eyes::

TheDougler960608 wrote:

"Not fueling anything. I didn't know it was illegal to call someone by their name. Forgive me for I have sinned lol

By the way Robert in Oregon. Would you like to take a shot at the definition of "Fair Share" ? I really would like an honest answer to what "Fair share" actually is, and how it breaks down with regards to income levels."

I don't believe anyone said your rhetoric was "illegal". You were called on being "uncivil" and "disrespectful". The escalation of those admonishments is yours.

And I have no idea what "Fair share" means. It's not part of my vocabulary. I haven't seen the phrase used, and I have never used it so I'm curious why you put an extraneous question on my table?

Just changing the subject, perhaps? I don't have any idea what you are talking about. Why don't you answer your own question?

What's uncivil about calling someone by a name they've accepted of themselves. There is nothing uncivil about it. Certainly there are some hate filled names that people have called all sorts of different people, but that's not what I did.

Barack Obama has, during his lifetime, accepted being called "Barry", so why is it of issue if I or anyone else refer to him as such, President or not?? It's not required by law or otherwise to call someone by Mr. President, and I'm also certainly not in his presence. If I were, I'd likely call him by Mr. President, or at least something along those lines. But who really gives a rats ass if I or anyone else calls him by an accepted name.....seems it's only you Robert.

As for the fair share question, I was not asserting that it as a part of your vocabulary, but rather speaking to the mindset, and closemindedness of the left on this board. It was obviously another attempt to find an answer I haven't received in months. I was merely offering up a question to see if you might have an answer, that is all, nothing more, nothing less.

This is news??? Come on people of the pen, you can do better than that.

TheDougler960608

"As for the fair share question, I was not asserting that it as a part of your vocabulary, but rather speaking to the mindset, and closemindedness of the left on this board. It was obviously another attempt to find an answer I haven't received in months. I was merely offering up a question to see if you might have an answer, that is all, nothing more, nothing less."

I see. Well, perhaps if I were "a Dem" or part of "the left", I might know of what you are speaking.

Here's a clue, however. Someone calling you on your disrespectful incivility does not make that person "a Dem" or on "the left."

One great Conservative thinker, William F. Buckley once cautioned that "When you move too far to the right, everyone appears to be a leftist."

"What's uncivil about calling someone by a name they've accepted of themselves. There is nothing uncivil about it. Certainly there are some hate filled names that people have called all sorts of different people, but that's not what I did.

Barack Obama has, during his lifetime, accepted being called "Barry", so why is it of issue if I or anyone else refer to him as such, President or not?? It's not required by law or otherwise to call someone by Mr. President, and I'm also certainly not in his presence. If I were, I'd likely call him by Mr. President, or at least something along those lines. But who really gives a rats ass if I or anyone else calls him by an accepted name.....seems it's only you Robert."

OK. I see that you have circled back to your original defense for incivility and disrespect, but expanded that defense. Circular logic = circular debate = waste of time = I'm out of here.

Take care. Have a good day.

Robert in Oregon, your reading comprehension seems to be lost on the fact that you think you're smarter than everyone else.

My question was posed essentially to anyone who would answer it.

The reason I repointed out the fair share question, was to show you that if you scroll up just a little bit, you can see the closeminded leftist idealogy of this message board has in fact collapsed my question, of which was a simple response to someone elses comments. Follow along.

I'm not circling around anything. My position never changed. It's only that your argument and questioning of calling someone by an accepted name is feeble at best.

"Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Lt. Blake Hollar told the Charlotte Observer that Paul “was possibly served alcohol on the flight.""

Oops! If the airline gave him the booze, I would be shocked if they prosecute because they are the ones responsible for serving alcohol to a minor!

If they do decide to prosecute, they'll probably (and should) be slapped with a suit for serving alcohol to a minor.

Nothing is clouding my judgment. I have no hatred for Obama, or democrats in general. You're making an argument about something as pety as calling the President "Barry". Come on man, what are you really complaining about? NOTHING.

The only reason you would refer to President Obama as Barry is out of disrespect. That in and of itself isn't as bad as being such a pussy you won't even own your own words....

drano-2462756

The only reason you would refer to President Obama as Barry is out of disrespect. That in and of itself isn't as bad as being such a pussy you won't even own your own words....

what have I not owned?

It's certainly nice you can throw names around hiding behind a computer there drano. You sure got me running and hiding as we speak. lol

For starters, I did not start calling him by Barry. Someone else did. A response to that person was that Barry is not his name, to which I proved otherwise. Perhaps you should read all the posts before you go running your mouth?

Again, what is your problem with calling him by a name he himself accepted?

Get off your high horse, there is nothing disrespectful about calling him Barry!

drano what's in that name? I can use him the next time my sink or toilet plug up!

Well, after the babble from the right wing morons, it should be said that drano's remark was right on. Poor kid needs the alcohol. It's a desperate attempt to modify his genetic makeup. After all, take a good look at Ron (I didn't know the newsletter was racist) Paul and tell me with a straight face that he is not a cross between man and chicken.

I actually think it's OK for people to call Obama Barry...

Or it would be OK, if it weren't for the fact that 75% of the people who call him Barry don't do so because his friends used to call him that, but because they believe it's a clever way to hint at his alleged second identity ("Barry Soetoro").

This story reminds me of when Al Gores son was caught just a few miles from me for speeding, high on pot and in possession of prescription drugs not prescribed to him (Valium, Vicadin, Xanax, and Adderall). BTW I support the legalization of pot, just don't support people loaded on anything behind the wheel.

I also seem to recall how all the Gore supporters kept crying about how it was a personal family matter and those on the right shouldn't be making disparaging comments about it.

It wasn't just some teen getting smashed. It was actually part of a religious ceremony he was performing to pay homage to his daddy's god, Aqua Buddha!

His dad will argue that there was nothing wrong with his son's behavior. The problem is with the repressive laws that exceed the authorities under the original Constitution and restrict our freedoms.

Yeah, is offense was pretty darn minor. When I was a kid, the police would never have been called for something like this. I would think that the vast majority of people have done the same as this young man did. Maybe not at an airport, but so what? If I'd have been on a plane at his age, with a stewardess would serve me, I'd have been loaded at the other end of the flight too. But, again, back then the police would have NEVER gotten involved.

I agree, in principle. And I thought the same as you when the Bush girls had their drinking episode(s).

If the child is a Kennedy, however, for a significantly large group of Americans predisposed to hate 'all-things-Kennedy' their arguments border on the suggestion that Kennedy children emerge from the womb with the mark "666" on the tops of their heads.

The kids of politicians have a tough row to hoe. It's difficult enough for kids just growing-up in contemporary America. I wonder how any of us would fare through our teen years if also required to contend with the added burden of the public spotlight on our "parental units" and the built-in hatred and hate-speech directed at all of those politician parents because of the rabid partisan incivility which has become the norm in American society.

I believe in freedom of the press, but with freedom comes responsibility. Making this insignificant "coming of age" incident a page one headline story, was in my opinion poor judgement on the part of NBC News.

Shwan,

"It's nice to know that our elected officials have normal teenage children."

That's true, but his mistake was in being disorderly. If you are going to drink when underage, it is particularly important not to attract attention to yourself by raising a stink. The media is always certain to seize on it if you are related to a celebrity of any kind.

I see the Politically Correct Revionists History Censors are here, They deleted my #1.7, just for making the claim Rand Paul would make a better President as follows:

Of course, if we had Rand Paul as President, our National Debt would be A LOT lower then the current 16 Trillion and there would be no "Fiscal Cliff" issues. I would take Rand Paul anyday over the Taxaholic/Spendaholic that we currently have occupying the Oval Office. Impeach Obama to have a "Beer Summit" with Rand Paul's son and replace Barry Soetoro with Rand Paul, the country would be much better off for it.

How dare I speak of someone else being a better President than the Media Elite's Annoited One.

'Kurt's comments', it could be that your comment was deleted because it was a deemed to be a "derail." Reread the Newsvine site guidelines which you agreed to when you setup your account.

These things happen, but are not necessarily nefarious or partisan.

I too have had a comment deleted, which I now in retrospect would admit (to my chagrin) that was WAY too partisan and off-topic.

And I can assure you that it was not a right-wing or Conservative post. HA!

I hope that helps just a little to know that the NBC moderator's pendulum swings both ways.

Cheers! ;-)

Kurts Comments, your post was not deleted, but "collapsed by community"- it is still available to read. What's up with Republican whining about their victimhood, like you do here? Y'all cry "Politically Correct" whenever anyone points out your nonsense for what it is. Just because you have freedom of speech doesn't mean everyone else has to respect what you say. The intelligent people here, unlike the dittoheads on FAUX news site, reject what you say. Now stop whining about it, k'?

Bob in OR, Pointing out a Congressman known for wanting less spending compared to a President who wants to tax and spend us into "properity" with the obvious piont that the one with wanting less spending would have us in a lower National Deby range than the tax and spend politician is not "Partisan Politics", but rather, just the facts.

Yep, Robert Warner, you want Chavez style "freedom of speech", no respect to anyone's free speech that does not kowtow to the Chavez Regime.

Kurt's comments

"Bob in OR, Pointing out a Congressman known for wanting less spending compared to a President who wants to tax and spend us into "properity" with the obvious piont that the one with wanting less spending would have us in a lower National Deby range than the tax and spend politician is not "Partisan Politics", but rather, just the facts."

My name is Robert. Why would you presume to call me "Bob." Is it just natural for you to be inappropriate toward other people?

Perhaps if you communicated in a little more civil manner, others would not perceive incivility in your comments... and collapse them? (which was your original complaint). Is there really no possibility in your own mind that you bear responsibility for your own words?

If your comments are "just the facts", as you contend (others may disagree with that contention, of course) why not just state them in a mater-of-fact strait-forward manner rather than tempering them with other uncivil and disrespectful snipes and quips.

I offer your own post again, ex-positive of this point:

Kurt's comments Comment collapsed by the community

"Of course, if we had Rand Paul as President, our National Debt would be A LOT lower then the current 16 Trillion and there would be no "Fiscal Cliff" issues. I would take Rand Paul anyday over the Taxaholic/Spendaholic that we currently have occupying the Oval Office. Impeach Obama to have a "Beer Summit" with Rand Paul's son and replace Barry Soetoro with Rand Paul, the country would be much better off for it."

Do you see how others reading your words may in fact see your statements, presented the way you choose to communicate, as offensive rather than "not 'Partisan Politics', but rather, just the facts" ... as you contend.

Have you become so comfortable with incivility, that you don't recognize it in your own communications? If so, isn't a little introspection in order?

Why not try dialing it down a bit, and see if people stop collapsing your comments. The cause-and-effect relationship may be enlightening for you. Just a thought.

Cheers!

Kurt, you a dope, dude.

Robert in Oregon...

Trying to explain something rationally to a republiClown is a complete waste of time! You would be more likely to succeed explaining calculus to a chimpanzee!

The kid has been taught nothing but disrespect for the law by his idiot libertarian father and grandfather. So this is not surprising.

LOL! Somebody tell NBC that teenagers both drink and eff around. There's not enough bandwidth in the world to report on the sins of teenagers...or of their parents for that matter.

Look at the bright side: at least he didn't drunkenly drive a car off a bridge, swim to shore, change into dry clothes, go back outside, casually ask someone the time (trying to establish an alibi), go back to his room to sleep it off and... did I forget anything? Oh yeah: my secretary is still in the submerged car and I haven't reported the accident to the police.

I'm guessing this won't kill the kid's future political career. We tend to have a short attention spans and/or overlook past incidents when it's politically convenient.

Not all teenagers. There are some who study hard, learn as much as they can, and even hold jobs. I guess those are the ones whose families won't just get them a job by nepotism.

Absentee father syndrome? So sad when kids pay the price for parents ambitions... :(

234r

Look at the bright side: at least he didn't drunkenly drive a car off a bridge, swim to shore, change into dry clothes, go back outside, casually ask someone the time (trying to establish an alibi), go back to his room to sleep it off and... did I forget anything?

You forgot the one who ran a stop sign and killed a teenage girl. Remember that one? You know, the one that had no investigation or charges.

Funny how some people like 234r have to go digging back 50 years in time to bring up something to bash democrats with when republicans furnish all kinds of bad behavior to use to bash republicans on a constant basis. LOL Sad really when you think about it. The Republicans Party the "Lack of Morals and Decency Party". :D

Actually I am torn between that moniker and the "Hypocrisy Party". Both would fit them quite will and be pretty damned truthful too.

Elizabeth,

"Not all teenagers. There are some who study hard, learn as much as they can, and even hold jobs."

Aren't those the ones the other teenagers call "nerds" or "dweebs" or other derogatory things?

Sandy,

First, just because I wasn't a fan of Teddy doesn't make me a Republican. I'm sorry if I heard a story about politics and alcohol and immediately thought of Ted "Where's my keys" Kennedy.

Second, are you blind enough to think Dems are paragons of moral virtue? Between Eliot Spitzer's hookers (and Barney Frank's male one), Jim McGreevey's Israeli boy-toy, Edwards cheating on his dying wife, Jesse Sr.'s love child and Anthony Wiener's.. umm.. wiener pics... there's plenty of stupidity to go around. You want non-sexual scandals? One word: Illinois. Take your pick from selling congressional seats to misuse of funds to bribing judges to appointing mob widows.

By the way, Marion "B*tch set me up" Barry is still on the D.C. Council. I think that proves my point about the short term memory of voters. Barry could snort a line of blow of a hooker's backside and pay her with taxpayer dollars - and do it on live TV - and the 8th ward would still re-elect him. They'll keep voting for him because he's black, he's a Dem, and they recognize the name (even if it isn't for the best of reasons).

Before I get blasted for only hitting on Dems: the same thing goes for George W. A "reformed alcoholic," a "suspected crackhead" and a horrible business manager. People voted for him because he wasn't a Dem and they recognized the name. The number of idiots who though they were voting for George H.W. Bush was likely the difference between him winning and losing both the 2000 and 2004 elections. It definitely was enough to decide the 2000 race, since you only needed a handful of idiots in Florida (and there were quite a few more than a handful). 2004 is more debatable, but still likely.

Crack kills....

Or maybe he was acting like a kid? Let's not size him for satan horns just yet.

Acting like a kid..yes. But no doubt dad will not be very happy with him.

Here's some more politicians kids who got in trouble - it's a bi-partisian thing

Ashley Biden (daughter)
Vice President Joe Biden (D)
The daughter: Ashley BidenArrested 1999 marijuana, arrested 2002 obstructing a police officer, threatening statements blocked police officer.
Charges dropped.

John Boy (son)

Former congressman Allen Boyd (D)
Boyd was caught smuggling at the Arizona-Mexico border. A search of his car turned up other illegal items including methamphetamine, 4 illegal immigrants and a gun.
The punishment: Boyd pleaded guilty. 30 months in prison after pleading guilty to the felony charge of conspiracy to transport and harbor illegal aliens for profit.

Danny L. Burton II (son)
Congressman Dan Burton (R)
In 1994, when Burton was 18, he was arrested with 7 pounds of marijuana and charged with possession with the intent to distribute. The charges were dropped. Six months later, he was arrested again, this time in his Indianapolis apartment. thirty marijuana plants and a shotgun.
Federal and Indiana state attorneys decided not to prosecute Burton, but a Louisiana judge was unmoved. Six months later Danny L. Burton II was arrested again, sentenced to community service, probation, and house arrest.

Bush daughters
President George W. Bush (R) Jenna Hager (nee Bush) and Barbara Bush
Cited for misrepresenting their ages in an attempt to purchase alcohol,19 at the time. Both pleaded not guilty. They attended community service alcohol awareness classes and paid $100 fines.

Noelle Bush (daughter)
Gov. Jeb Bush (R) Arrested for prescription drug fraud (Xanax).
Sentenced to mandatory drug treatment. While in the program she was found with hard drugs and did 10 days in prison for crack cocaine.

Caroline Giuliani (daughter)
Rudy Giuliani (R)
Arrested at a New York City cosmetics store for shoplifting items worth more than $100.
Charged with petty larceny. Shoplifting charge dismissed upon completion of one day of community service and no trouble for six months.

Al Gore III (son)
Former Vice President Al Gore (D)
2007 stopped by police for speeding at 100+ mph. Found a portable pharmacy drugs (Vicodin, Valiu, Xanax, Adderall).
Pleaded guilty to possession of marijuana and the prescription drugs. Served 90 days in drug treatment.

Alexandra Kerry (daughter)
Sen. John Kerry (D)
2009 Alexandra Kerry for failing a field sobriety test. Refused a Breathalyzer, expired registration. Shown under limit.
Based on her test results, not prosecuted for dui.

D'Anne Leigh Mica (daughter)
Congressman John Mica (R)
Driving home in 2010 pulled over by police and had blood-alcohol content more than twice the legal limit. Despite the evidence, Mica's attorney challenged the legality of the traffic stop. Judge dismisses dui charge.

Jeffrey Rush (son)
The politician: Congressman Bobby Rush (D)
Was head of security at a halfway house for women. In 2007 he arranged to have sex with an inmate off-site. He was found guilty of sexual misconduct and sentenced to 30 months' probation, but kept his job. Lost job a year later. Multiple counts of official misconduct/ deal with prosecutors/pleaded guilty to only a few counts. 180 days in jail. Pleaded guilty to three counts of official misconduct. Indicted on 47 counts.

Cameron - Your foundation for that remark?

And you are probably still blowing up your "date".

It's Kentucky, mescalita. I'm sure Rand had his pick of 1st cousins... ;)

I didn't catch that. At 19, his drinking should be legal.

It's only because it's a son of a republican. Would it be the child of a democrat, or even Obama's oldest daughter, it wouldn't be news, and if it was, the headline would read "Kids will be kids"

TheDougler960608, you're joking, right? You really believe that if PRESIDENT Obama's daughter got arrested for drinking, it wouldn't be the biggest story for weeks? The reason that this is a story is that he was arrested. Josh Brolin drinks and it has never made the news- until he was arrested. The star of Criminal Minds drinks and it has never made the news- until he was arrested. Congressman Crapo drinks and it has never made the news- until he was arrested. Your real problem is- of course, that a democrat won the white house- get over it.

Dougler has to come up with something to defer the attention from the fact that a political figure's son acted like a moron.

Josh Brolin drinks and it has never made the news- until he was arrested.

Can you REALLY be that clueless. Josh Brolin is over 40 years old. A LOT of people drink. And yes it ISN'T new until you get drunk. A lot of people drives cars...and yet it isn't news until you crash into a wall killing yourself. If you are a typical Paul supporter we are lucky he failed.

More than likely he's yet another entitled 19 year old who thinks acting in a reasonable and mature manner isn't required of him.

Who the hell said anything about Josh Brolin? robert was the one that bought him up.... not me!!

It's more than likely he's yet another typical 19 year old

Rscalzo, you really need to brush up on how to understand what you read. The point is about why the event made the news. Second, as far as drinking and driving, Josh Brolin WASN'T DRIVING.

You're assuming he was served it on the flight, or at the airport in Ky. If they did, either the airline or airport would be in hot water.

It's probably more likely he drank prior to going to the airport.

Ever get drunk at a airport? Even the rich can't get drunk at a airport. Have you seen the cost of a drink at the airport? Had the boy been smoking some of that good Marijuana grown in his state of Ky he would have gotten on the plane had a snack and went to sleep.

Because this is America, not Iran. If an adult of legal drinking age wants a drink before or during a flight, why shouldn't they have one. Because the American Taliban says so? I don't think so.

Bob, he is 19, not 21.

@NAV. Bob's comments were to Uncle Henry, whose comments were based solely on why alcohol is served on airplanes, regardless of age.

Uncle Henry, there are a lot of people that enjoy a beer or glass of wine and drink responsibly. Just because a few cause problems does not mean the rest of the world must suffer because of them.

In addition, Lisa, the article doesn't really say that he was causing problems. "Disorderly Conduct" seems to be a catch-all term. He might have not been doing anything arrest-worthy except that for being tipsy.

lisa the same could be said about owning firearms yet the knee jerkers want to take that right away from people. if you need a drink that bad take greyhound oh wait a sec you cant drink on greyhound but you can if you are in a pressurized metal tube at 35k feet. makes sense.

TO: TheDougler960608 who wrote:

"You're assuming he was served it on the flight, or at the airport in Ky..."

"...Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Lt. Blake Hollar told the Charlotte Observer that Paul “was possibly served alcohol on the flight.""

I think the cops are assuming that too.

TO: Smitty-4183671 who wrote:

"Ever get drunk at a airport? Even the rich can't get drunk at a airport. Have you seen the cost of a drink at the airport? Had the boy been smoking some of that good Marijuana grown in his state of Ky he would have gotten on the plane had a snack and went to sleep."

lol

American Girl-724855

TO: TheDougler960608 who wrote:

"You're assuming he was served it on the flight, or at the airport in Ky..."

"...Charlotte-Mecklenburg Police Lt. Blake Hollar told the Charlotte Observer that Paul “was possibly served alcohol on the flight.""

I think the cops are assuming that too.

At the time I made that comment, that bit of info was not part of the story.

Spoken as a perfect parent, who has perfect children. Right?

All young folks push the boundaries. Watch out for the ones that appear to never do anything wrong.

BobW Thank You for your service to your country!

Actually Smitty I was just b------- a little. It was an honor. And yes, I would do it ALL again. Twice if that is what it took.

I don't think the BEAR would appreciate being consumed as a beverage.

Bob, First of all, Thank you for your Service, I appriciate it and I do feel a sense of failure on our part the people who depended on your group for defending our way of life.

I feel as though we have taken it for granted and are about to lose it to the Euro/Socialist everyone has a right to everyone else's stuff attitude that is running ramshod over what we used to call Good Common sense. Theft used to be obvious, someone would come to your home and rob you..... Now they do it with an attitude and an activist legal branch of government.

If "We the People", do not wake up soon and realize it is time for us to stand up and be counted as you have done for many years, and our Grand Fathers before us who shed BLOOD to allow us to debate ourselves out of the very rights they fought for, then we deserve the upside down world that we now see unfolding before us.

They are in the public eye and know it. They like the benefits then they better accept to downside. How many times does he use the family name for his own benefit? so when he screws up, it's news. He can't deal with that fact now he's never going to make it as an adult.

Fox "News" reported this first. What's your excuse for that?

I would have the kid in a fox hole watching my 6 any day. I can not say that about obama.....

It's a little piece of file footage just in case this young adult grows into one of those tea party types that do not allow anybody else to do anything at all.

Oh, quit whining. News outlets ALWAYS report on arrests of famous people or their relatives. If NBC didn't, every other news org would- regardless of political affiliation. When did republicans decide the path to success was to whine "Waaahhh, quit picking on us you mean ol' liberals. Waaaahhhhh!!"

Elizabeth, you are so far off, you couldn't be further from the truth. Libertarians believe you should be allowed to do anything you want as long as you do not infrine upon the freedoms and rights of others. That includes using drugs, alcohol, abortions, gay rights(although they would not call it gay rights more the right of anyone to marry anyone else). It's called liberty and that is what Rand Paul and other libertarians beleive. Stop listening to the new so much. Thy lie. Attend a tea party rally and listen to what people are saying there. Then you can make up your mind yourself rather than religating that to NBC.

TC

Um, TrueConservative...Rand Paul is anti-abortion, so's his dad. Although the elder Rand promoted legalizing prostitution which was probably to protect johns.

I have attended a TP Rally and they remind me a whole hell of a lot like the Rallies given by a certain party in Germany in the 1930's that I have seen on old news reel footage. FRIGGING SCARY!!!

Actually, real Libertarians are pro-life, no sane person would be for such child abuse and be so much against individual rights of our youngest ones. A true Libertarian follows "LIFE, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness". If you are aborted, you have no opportunity for "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Of course, it can be easy to be for abortion when one is too old to be aborted. Ron Paul being a Medical Doctor realized early in his career the tyranny of denying others of Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness in the name of abortion "rights" as obvisouly the child has no "right" in the decision on being aborted or not.

A fetus isn't a child. Otherwise child abuse would be charged against a doctor and a woman involved in the abortion.

As for after a child is born, apparently it's up to the baby to feed itself, as Ron and Rand don't believe in "entitlements". And if adopters from the US wanted to make homes for all the babies that Ron and Rand would "save", why are they going overseas to obtain children or surrogates (in India, to name one place) to produce the baby for them? After all, there are 240,000 children waiting for adoption in this country right now, and no one wants them.

But we're off topic now. Back to the actual story.

Takes one to know one

Probably likely, but that's essentially what every underage drinker gets for a first offense. It's not like it's breaking news.

I certainly hope so. I detest his father, but this is just nothing to bust the kid's chops about. Though this national attention might be a good wakeup call to get him to realize the kind of spotlight he's under because his father is a politician. Most people's kids can behave like this and not have a problem. He needs to realize- as unfair as it is- that he needs to keep his nose spotless.

Well said. I see you do not comment here often but when you do....thanks.

So now the young man is an addict?? "Oh no, Martha, he had a snootful!! Call the detox center!!" Jeez Louise, all you reformed sinners need to get off of your high horse and realize that- at least as for as the drinking goes- this young man did nothing (terribly) wrong. Illegal, maybe, but when you send 18 year olds to die in Iraq but the law says that they can't have a beer when they get stateside, the law is the one that is wrong.

ECF "I can't stand the Paul family". You have met the ALL personally? wow

Touche, BobW. My original comment got lost in a computer glitch and read I can't stand the Paul family's politics. I typed it up incorrectly the second time. But you missed my main point, which was "leave the kid alone."

Yes. And the person I really feel for...Chelsea. Gotta be tough. Socs had it hard too I bet.

So by your conclusion, if only Rand Paul was a liberal, and didn't teach his son to be conservative, straight and narrow, then there would be no story? All would be fine right?

Well I have been in Washington State since 1958. I sincerely hope that your narrow minded bigotry does not reflect on the rest of us Washingtonians like you claim this incident reflects on Sen. Paul Just like my behaviour as a stupid teenager did not reflect on my parents or grand parents. Nor was it ever held against me beyond my youth. I hope someday you are judge with the same rigidity you seem to judge others. You will NOT pass believe me. It is your attitude that makes me feel a little foolish as I described in my post here #11. Did you raise teen-aged boys? Do you really want to be held accountable for everything they did? This is not red or blue. Liberal or Conservative it should just be common sense-should be.

Actually,he's a libertarian. Though I think the term is misleading about their philposophy, the term "conservative" would not be accurate. He'even goofier than conservatives.

Bob W. I hear ya! Raised three boys and one girl. All four different personalities. They're all grown and are respectable kids but oh the stories they tell at family gatherings of what they did when they were teenagers/young adults and even in their adult years that we parents were unaware of. However, there were many we were aware of and had to deal with during those alien teen years that were NOT a reflection of what they were taught, but a reflection of them just growing up. My parents were as close to the Huxtabels in the Cosby Show yet in my youth I too did things that no one could blame on them. Making them responsible for THEIR actions was key just as my parents did.

It's not liberal or conservative thinking. We have one Independent, one Libertarian, one Democrat and one far left progressive among our kids. Quite a diverse group. Parents are one moderate Independent and one Republican who often splits their ticket. Go figure.

Robert Warner-3092405

Actually,he's a libertarian. Though I think the term is misleading about their philposophy, the term "conservative" would not be accurate. He'even goofier than conservatives.

Not really Robert. Libertarians are essentially Fiscally conservative, and usually socially liberal, or at least center-left socially. So largely libertarians are not goofier or further right than conservatives (evangelicals), they are more centrist than anything else.

I have a feeling if I had you as a mother I would tip a few as well.

Who knows, maybe "Mr. Paul" IS yer father.

The one there now brews his own (probably grows it too) and makes a national issue of it....so what?

And the fool in this equation is the one who cannot see that our current decision making is leading us down the very same path, maybe 46 years later maybe not. They say the bigger they are the harder they fall.

Those who ignore history are bound to repeat it.

Do not tell me that America cannot end up where Greece is !!!!

If we keep spending money that we do NOT have we will be there quicker than you can imagine.

The Great USA is not exempt from the laws of economics.

Comparing us to Greece is a warning...if we do not heed it we WILL make the same mistake buy doing the samething. To not heed it IS insane. To continue to support someone that does not heed it is just as insane.

I blame Reagan....he tripled our debt. Of course, Cheney was telling him that deficits don't matter. Bush doubled our national debt. Was it okay then?

Gunjunke

Yes... we are one of the "top performing economies" in the world. Of course the majority of the products keeping us there are munitions and NOT consumer goods.

How many people are employed making a fighter jet? How many MORE people would be involved making an equivalent dollar volume of CONSUMER PRODUCTS like jeans, or foot wear, or shirts?

How many people are involved making heavy construction equipment like Caterpillar produces? How many MORE people would be involved making an equivalent dollar volume of CONSUMER PRODUCTS like toasters, microwave ovens, major and minor appliances found in EVERY home?

How long do you believe the American economy can survive as a CONSUMER nation?

Consumer nations ultimately shrivel and die, like Greece as an example.

Producer nations prosper and grow, and I'll use CHINA as an example.

How many credit cards can we max out BEFORE the creditors tell us to pound sand? There are already moves to replace the US Dollar as the worlds "reserve currency". When that happens, watch just how fast we spiral into a failed state like Greece.

Yes, Bob Freebird, it was OK because Republicans did it. Haven't you learned anything from the TeaParty?

There is only one president that has had to deal with two of the largest sky scrapers in the world being knocked down, the Headquarters of the United States Military attacked, and being targeted personally all in one day. Then he had to try and make sure none of it happened again. There was this little thing called Katrina and a few smaller disasters to deal with. That just might have cost a dollar or two more than he had planned on spending, you know.....and what would life be like right now if he had NOT spent it? Keep in mind he did all that and STILL did not spend what the current pres has....for what? Those are just facts. Try this...tomorrow morning when your alarm clock goes off pretend it is 911, and you are the President of the United States. Most if not all of us would turn the clock of and go back to sleep.

What was Reagan's excuse?

Meanwhile, while Bush had all this "necessary" spending, he gave tax cuts to the rich. Look at the tax rates during WWII. There is a reason they were called our Greatest Generation.

Bob Freebird

Look at the tax rates during WWII. There is a reason they were called our Greatest Generation.

Excuse me??? Are you insane or simply practicing stupidity?

I surmise you haven't heard of that minor altercation called WORLD WAR II.

The TAXES paid have NOTHING to do with why they were called the Greatest Generation. Do you think it might have had something to do with beating both Germany and Japan in a global war?

And please, I was lambasting the Republicans and Bush as well.

When will you be happy, when the economy implodes on itself? Please, if additional taxes are that important to you, NO-ONE will stop YOU from writing a check to the US TREASURY for more than you owe.

Listen, you stupid SOB, did I say that the reason they were our greatest generation was because of the tax rates? Pull your head out. Yes, they won a two fronted war, allthe while not bitching about taxes or rationing. Could that happen nowadays? No. The rich must protect their low taxes...America be damned.

WOW..... Now that's a really adult and intelligent post. I could have but didn't denigrate YOUR mother now did I? Do you always have temper tantrums? Lay down on the kitchen floor kicking and screaming until mommy gives you your ice cream?

Here.... read your own words;

Look at the tax rates during WWII. There is a reason they were called our Greatest Generation.

The inference is that they were the greatest generation due to tax rates.

So, please tell me EXACTLY how much is too much?

Please tell us EXACTLY how much YOU are willing to pay. What tax rate will YOU ACCEPT FOR YOUR EARNINGS?

Put YOUR money where your mouth is. It's so easy to spend the money of another, yet those brass balls usually turn to melting ice when it's your own money.

Well Freebird you kind of had me actually considering some of your points until #26.10 and you started sounding like the typical smear, fear, smoke, mirrors, irrational, emotionally charged, adrenaline and hormone driven idiot of your ilk. Now you are just "of those". Too bad. You actually have some brains but the othre crap drowns it out. That is ok though, it took obama 4 years to show his true colors though we new it all along.....you have fallen for a good one I'll give him that. baaaaaa!

"though we new it all along" -BobW-3215303

Jesus, if you don't know the difference between "new" and "knew", how can we trust anything you say? I used to think our military was collectively intelligent until you came along.

If we want to fight wars, we should buck up and pay for those wars, not kick it down the road to our children and grandchildren. Bush wanted to fight two simultaneous wars, but didn't ask Americans to pay for them. Pretty cowardly, if you ask me.

"Excuse me??? Are you insane or simply practicing stupidity?" -XDm9mm

You call me insane or stupid and expect me to reply civilly?

I find it very interesting that you still refuse to let the world know WHAT INCOME TAX RATE ARE YOU willing to accept?

And my other statement still stands. You obviously have difficulty with the English language. YOU were inferring the "Greatest Generation" was called such due to their tax rates. YOU never indictated ANYWHERE any other reason like winning a World War.

Look at the tax rates during WWII. There is a reason they were called our Greatest Generation.

"I surmise you haven't heard of that minor altercation called WORLD WAR II." -XDm9mm

Reading comprehension, Einstein. WWII is another term for World War II. Little history lesson for the ignorant today.