Don't be silly 7.62. Everything is not about liberals and Conservatives. Anyone can be biased, but it's not smart to do so.

Well, the number of suspects is probably very limited. Someone to inherit and the ability to cause the ingestion of cyanide,.

@Coloradoboy: That's exactly the first thing that came to my mind also.

Wow , Coloradoboy. Just about enough time for you to go back to school.

I guess it would be too much to ask of an "investigative" reporter to tell us if there is a wife, business partner, kids... the most obvious perps...

and I am unemployed!

Two things:

Political comments on this story shows how insensitive people can be, especially when politics had nothing to do with his death.....money did. Someone is dead and all you can do is make some smart ass comment. Shame on you.

Why on earth if you think MSN is one sided would you ever use it for a news source? Why not go over to Fox or some other news net server. I have no fear of debating an idiot, but come on, where do you guys draw the line.

Wow! Lots of people looking for a forum, any forum, to vent...anything.

A 46 year old died the day AFTER collecting his winnings and the coroner doesn't suspect murder immediately? My 12 year old would have been suspicious.

@Russ

The article states that the 425k was his 'lump sum' winnings. Typically, lottery winnings are paid out over the course of 20-25 years to total whatever the lottery amount was. When someone takes a 'lump sum' payment they receive a significantly smaller amount then the lotteries face value.

Suspect #1: The wife...

They need to look at the person who benefited from the death.

Chicago...

Russ62 doesn't have a clue. 57.5 % tax rate? Where do you come up with this silliness?

For the same reason you spelled it "poisen". Stupidity.

@7.62x39mm Lemme guess...the answer is to have MORE cyanide in every home, business and school.

what is up with the conservatives on these msn posts! Jesus if you don't like us liberals why don't you go to your own kind and post on fox I agree steve! Since msn is so liberally bias why do you even read the news on this site! Go to your own freakin web sites what the hell is wrong with you guys! You must love abuse! I sure don't go on fox looking to tell you guys something so wtf?

I never post on faux or even support it in any way but I imagine this:

Disgruntled Ooooold republican #1: Poor people take all our money (despite STATISTICS stating this "war" costs double yearly than social programs besides medicare)

Disgruntled Ooooold republican #2: Ya who cares about the disabled and mentally ill! I say throw them out on the streets they are wasting our tax paying dollars!

Disgruntled #3: Those damn liberals wanting abortions! Don't they know they should care about babies only UNTIL they are born and then give two sh*ts later! Hell no more taxpaying dollars to pay for abortions OR for Social programs for the children! We will make the children suffer for their idiotic parents who are bottom feeding scum even though they were laid off from their jobs by the sacred job givers of the 1% who are to be worshiped and asskissed every minute of the day!

Chat room full of grunts and old farts in the staunchy wind...

RUSS62

Sad that he got poisoned but I think the real crime is that he got taxed 57.5%on his winnings

@RUSS62, he is not taxed at 57.5%. He received a "lump-sum" of $425K out of the one million winnings. Normally, lottery is payable in 20 to 25 years which means he will be receiving one million in 20-25 years. The 425K lump-sun is the present value of the one million today.

Congrats you got the joke guy lol! Thats the point of the post

Leadin:

I found that both political parties are good at being divisive. After all, it wasn't a liberal who came up with "I'm the decider" and "If you're not with me, you're against me." I agree with the statement that not everything has to be about politics.

Regarding "anonymous" lottery winners...that won't work well. The news will report that "somebody" won the gazillion dollar lottery but we will never know who it is because they want to remain anonymous. We'll just have to go on faith that somebody actually won and not wonder if the lottery is otherwise rigged, because you KNOW you can trust people in the world to do the right thing; people like those who run the lottery and manage the money, those very trustworthy people.

And do you mean far left liberal? No i don't think everyone is only one way! And when did I ever state in my post that anyone is either far right or far left? That is completely false! Actually stats show people are more moderate than anything. Im just telling the conservatives to go eff themselves on fox. Uhhh DUH?

Anyone who has worked at the Cook County Medical Examiner's Office or has to deal with this office knows that a toxicology report takes several weeks.
After the autopsy, the initial manner of death is pending, and then the manner is confirmed after several weeks when all the lab tests (toxicology & histology) are complete.
Notice that the concerned relative contacted the office in a week. Dr Cina had to issue an initial manner of death based on the autopsy, which must have seemed like cardiac arrest. And then, several weeks later he had the opportunity to review the lab results and answer the suspicions. The family could have delayed the funeral for several weeks if they wanted to.
So please, stop calling people stupid unless you understand the science. Thanks.

Hi Dave,

No, sorry, you have the math wrong. The tax rate is fixed at whatever it is in Illinois. So by taking the lump sum payment rather than the 20-plus yearly payments the man, who is now dead, agreed to take a lower amount than $1 million. Maybe, and I don't know this for sure but I use it just to illustrate the point, that lump sum amount was $600k. So the net amount is reduced by the taxes paid, but in no way is it 50+ percent.

If the man took the extended payments rather than a lump sum amount he'd have paid the same taxes, or very similar, to the lump sum taxes in net present value dollars.

Dave

He was not taxed at 57.5% on the lump sum. He still has to pay taxes on the $425,000.

"He took the lump sum to have all of the money now, there for it is taxed at a rate of 57.5% according to the article."

The article does not mention taxes once. A lump sum payment doesn't mean that you forfeited the 57.5% to taxes. $425,000 was the value of the ticket on the day he cashed it in.

Another possibility is that the $425,000 is the lump sum after taxes, which would make the lump sum before taxes somewhere between $550,000 and $700,000 depending on the percent the face value was discounted.

It looks like you failed logic 101.

Win the lottery, what a GREAT COUNTRY!

Nothing to do or to contribute to society

Internet

old fat guy

conservative

Now I understand

just a good thing that there is a body to exhume... they have the toxicology report but if he would have been cremated it could have been a bad thing.....at least they can look into it further

He wins the million dollar jackpot then dies the very next day of natural causes.

Sure; makes complete sense.

7.62x39mm

Time for the libs to ban cyanide.

I'd rather we just ban idiotic comments and the people who post them.

Seriously, get a life.

JohnnyOnTheSpot-3794903

Dave

He was not taxed at 57.5% on the lump sum. He still has to pay taxes on the $425,000.

The taxes are taken out by the Illinois lottery prior to issuing him his check.

Do I Have To Pay Taxes On Winnings?

Yes. 25% in Federal tax is withheld from prize amounts over $5,000, and 5% Illinois state tax is withheld from prizes of $1,000 or more

As per their website.

http://www.illinoislottery.com/en-us/Faq.html#GQ

Damn now we have to outlaw money! Cyanide is already a controlledsubstance. maybe we should outlaw inheritances Washington would love that one. politicians would be exempt of course.

"Time for the libs to ban cyanide." So, then, conservatives will now hoard cyanide because they're afraid someone will come and take away another way to overkill?

Oh, I know... You think the man was killed because he was going to donate the money to a liberal cause.

Fm the Chicago Tribune

According to a police document obtained by the Chicago Tribune, Khan came home from work to his wife,
Shabana Ansari, and daughter, Jasmeen, the night he died, ate dinner and went to
bed. Then he began screaming. He was pronounced dead at St. Francis Hospital in
Evanston. An initial examination said he died of heart disease

Wife?

However you people want to look at it, If I buy a lottery ticket that says I could win $1,000,000 and all I'm left holding is a measly $425,000 somewhere theirs 57.5% of those winnings missing whether its through taxes, lottery fees, state employees vacation fund or what ever! its gone

For those who can't seem to figure out how lottery systems do these things. The lump sum payment was $425,000 before taxes. The way it would work with an annuity is that the lottery commission would pay some insurance company $425,000 up front and the insurance company would make the regular payments that would total $1 million. They are willing to do this because they can collect an effective interest rate that makes it profitable.

It feels like a scam the way they are able to advertize the higher prize based on the annuity. But it's legal. I guess it's one of those things that is true "from a particular point of view."

Is the glass 57.5% empty or 42.5% full???????

And if you ain't happy with a "measly" $425,000....give it to charity....they love measly

anil, surely you've had poisenberry jam some time!

@Pvblivs

For those who can't seem to figure out how lottery systems do these things. The lump sum payment was $425,000 before taxes. The way it would work with an annuity is that the lottery commission would pay some insurance company $425,000 up front and the insurance company would make the regular payments that wouldtotal $1 million. They are willing to do this because they can collect an effective interest rate that makes it profitable.

You are wrong. I just posted exactly how and when the taxes are taken out. AND I posted the link to the Illinois lottery website which explains how that works.

http://www.illinoislottery.com/en-us/Faq.html#GQ

Come on guys give the medical examiner a break. He's very busy investigating the 500+ homicides in Chicago this year. He's probably used to seeing bullet holes from a homicide. No bullet holes, it's a natural death in Chicago.

Did I miss something......the winner died July 20th and the check was cashed August 15th?????? Who cashed the check? Lots of info unstated in the article regarding how the winning ticket was endorsed but I'd have some eyes on whomever cashed that check.

@ ASHP...Loved your post...You hit it right on the head with the whinning. And those that cried that there are some libs that lean right and some consers that lean left....Must be the very ones that not lean but fall over and over and over to prove their point. Now back to the story...What a shame about a man in his prime being killed or even dying the next day. May he find peace.

Chris:

1. That site does not support the claim of 57.5 percent being taken out in taxes.

2. The article suggests that the lump sum value of the prize. It does not say it is the amount of the check.

Fine, it says it's based on treasury note interest rates. Usually an insurance company takes over the details.

It is possible that I am wrong about the before vs. after the 25 percent is taken out. But the claim of 57.5 percent taken in taxes is still not in accordance with anything.

The reason you get less with a lump sum than an annuity is that you get what they haven't invested for you. They guesstimate what interest rates will look like over the span of 20-30 years (depending on the terms of the contract) and that is the PROJECTED winnings that you see in the gas station and the billboards. If you take the lump sum, you take what is ACTUALLY there and can invest it on your own to turn it into the larger portion. Though some states really do have ridiculous tax rates that they penny pinch the hell our of you with.

Did he turn 98? 'cause that would just be be...

IRONIC.

7.62x39mm.......you said:

Quote......Time for the libs to ban cyanide.......Quote

Cyanide possession is (already) illegal in many jurisdictions. Do you think it should NOT be?

Perhaps you wish to use it for hunting.........or defense from our Constitutionally conceived and observant (yet disagreeable to you) government.

http://www.nti.org/gsn/article/texas-man-pleads-guilty-to-cyanide-possession/

http://legalplanet.com/2011/02/28/chemist-sentenced-for-cyanide-possession-could-face-more-legal-troubles-kansas-city-star/

"Pvblivs

For those who can't seem to figure out how lottery systems do these things. The lump sum payment was $425,000 before taxes."

For those of you who can't read (Pvblivs)...."Urooj Khan died July 20, one day after the state issued a check to him for $425,000, which represented the after tax amount on the lump sum payout on his winning ticket".

Before you become too condescending, you should read more carefully.

If you hold a ticket for a year are you at the long term capital gain rate? A one dollar investment increased to 1 million. If I buy a stock for 1 dollar and the next day it increases to 1,000 I pay no tax until I sell and actually have the money. Just thinking.

To the lib haters and their stupid remarks: Why aren't you commentating on FOX instead? At least you can write "Guns don't kill people, Cyanide does" and have the full support of all the unborn persons there.

@Pvblivs

Why are you still arguing this issue? There is no ambiguity here. The article itself states

Urooj Khan died July 20, one day after the state issued a check to him for $425,000, which represented the after tax amount on the lump sum payout on his winning ticket.

My link to the lottery site supports the article itself in stating taxes were taken out before he was issued a check. There should be no more discussion on this subject.

This is sad. I always thought cyanide was much faster acting, like within minutes. I assume when the relative called the police about the possibility of poisoning that they gave some clues as to who may be the one who gave it to him.

Now to address some silliness in these comments - some of you embellish what was written for some reason:

1. We have no idea of his religion, be it Hindu, Muslim, Christian, etc. Why would someone say he is a Muslim?

2. The trashing of Liberals for gun laws is somewhat of a misnowmer. If you want to blame someone for all the gun laws being enacted you can thank James Brady, the Republican Press Secretary for President Reagan who really got everyone worked up about gun legislation. He started an organization that heavily lobby's for more stringent gun laws. This was after he was shot in the head by John Hinckley when the bullet meant for Reagan hit him.

3. The lottery is such that you rarely get the face value of a winning before taxes. If you take all the money up front it is less than if you take the monthly pay outs. The Powerball is at $70m as I write this post, but the cash value, meaning if you won right now and took all the cash instead of an annuity, you would bring home only $44m before taxes. Remember, a portion of the sales goes to an education fund in each participating state.

4. Trish P-3795642, the highest unemployment under Bush wasn't 5.0, it was 7.3, and there were many months that it was in the 6's. Overall it hovered about 5.

5. Trish P-3795642, gas prices under Bush did not stay relatively low, and they have not doubled since Obama took office. Here are the yearly averages under Bush

2001 — $1.43
2002 — $1.34
2003 — $1.56
2004 — $1.85
2005 — $2.27
2006 — $2.58
2007 — $2.81
2008 — $3.26

Here they are under Obama

2009 — $2.35
2010 — $2.78
2011 — $3.53

I am not sure where you get your "facts" and information, Trish, but you may want to try a new source, I am not even going to go into all the other baloney you posted, I would be here all day.

Bottom line, so many of you people have drawn a line in the sand, decided it is one sides fault over another for certain things and it isn't. The politicians are playing you, you are falling into it and you are probably the ones that will be hurt most by their decisions.

Wouldn't not getting the face value of a winning lottery still be considered a "tax"? Its not a state tax or anything but its still a portion of the winnings that is withheld from the winner. In Canada a portion of lottery ticket sales are kept for charity and over head and the winnings are the winnings. If we win a million we keep a million and the Government doesn't take any of it (not considered income...Ohhh Canada!).

Regardless, I think people are missing the point of this story and being distracted by politics of internet Trolls and tax semantics. A seemingly nice hard working business man was murdered after he won the lottery. Thats all we need to be focusing on.

Danielle-4676469

I applaud you for your tenacity. I on the other hand am much too lazy to present these facts to those in need and find that most people really don't want to be bothered with them, it confuses their thought process and presents a speed bump when spewing opinions.

Dave, the 1Mil is set up in an annuity, to be paid out over 10-20yrs depending on the lottery.

He instead chose the lump some payment which is roughly about 60% of the winning. THEN he pays taxes on that amount. The $425K is the total he received after the taxes.

I think it's ridiculous that the medical examiner didn't find the cyanide in his system during the autopsy. One day after he receives his check and no one questions this?

#1.1 Coloradoboy - Kinda sad when the Family has to do the Medical Professionals JOB....Why did they NOT find the Poisen the first time around....and is the Orginal Exsaminer Mr. Cina..In on it or been payed to give a clean death...report...

Doesn’t Colorado have a better education system than you display? Spellcheck works really well, in case you didn’t know.

#1.8 - Russ62 - I think the real crime is that he got taxed 57.5% on his winnings.

It's found money anyway. That's what the lottery is for. It raises money for the state.

Pathetic right-wingers have to bring politics into everything don't they? Gotta get in their hateful, ignorant, low-brow comments on every story.

I agree with some folks above. Get a life. You don't see us going over to FOX and dropping hate bombs. Maybe it's a maturity difference.

With screen names like "7.62 x39mm" and "liberalssuck", I think we can see who we're dealing with.

Violent, ignorant simpletons.

Sorry for the guy and his family. Everything aside this is why I do think states need to look at ways to protect people once they win if they don't want to allow the anonymous option. Which I don't think hurts anything but I get the point about showing that real people win/not rigged, ect. Anyways I think for all small winnings say under $500k minimum (maybe make it 1 million) no public notice just let that be anonymous, no one cares about those anyways. For anything larger probably go ahead and release the location like they do (can do it for all winnings amounts actually) but once the person comes in give them the year option or longer before a public release unless they want to do it earlier. Also once the release is done don't make it high profile unless the person wants to. The high jackpots alone will take care of drawing in the buyers. Its sad but with the world we live in being so connected by the web it can draw alot of unwanted attention. Certainly more thought needs to go in to how these announcements are done.

It is time

wow some comments are totally off topic

Almost as despicable as this guy's senseless killing is the taxes costing him over half his winnings. Government greed knows no bounds.

Mark Lavalier:

I'm sorry to hear that you can't read. At any rate, your advice about condescension would carry more weight itf you weren't yourself being condescending.. By his actions, Mark Levine indicated that I was completely correct to be condescending to the people claiming that over 57 percent of the winnings were taken out in taxes. Beyond that, the suggestions of his words are moot.

Chris:

Why are you still arguing this issue?

Because idiots keep responding, trying to that "no the tax rate is 57.5 percent. My last response was to you If people stop trying to support that stupid claim, I won't respond again.

#1.78 Flatiron: Almost as despicable as this guy's senseless killing is the taxes costing him over half his winnings. Government greed knows no bounds.

Nah, nah nah. The purpose of the lottery is to raise money to support state parks and recreation, not to make people wealthy by giving them money they didn't earn.

They bought the winning ticket, they earned it. Also, it goes towards a plethora of wasteful government porkulus projects, not just parks.

#1.81 Flatiron - ...they earned it. Also, it goes towards a plethora of wasteful government porkulus projects, not just parks.

Ridiculous. He did not spend more than five minutes buying the ticket, and he earned it? You're telling me this guy makes $12 million an hour? I don't know anyone who makes that much money, except maybe the oil sheiks. This guy ran a dry cleaners.

Pork products are the expertise of the federal government, not the state. Lotteries are state run.

You seem to be a bit ignorant on how the whole lotto thing works. You buy a ticket, the vast majority are losers and you get nothing, but if you win you're supposed to receive the sum of the jackpot. Also, the federal government takes a huge chunk of taxes out of lotto winnings. Most lotteries automatically withhold 28 percent of winnings for the feds. And you're kidding yourself if you think wasteful government spending is limited to DC.

Bottom line, I wouldn't mind as much if the government simply kept the profits from lotto ticket sales. But don't advertise a certain number only to siphon off more than half before it gets to the winner.

It seems no matter what the topic is lately, gun control and throwing one's opinion about people of a political party different from their choice becones an off-topic thread in the comments. Can't some of you commenters stay focused on what the article was about, rather than using it as a platform to spout your political leanings or the obsession with guns? For example:

Ken-1024628 and his comment:

Please can the government keep us safe from money! I heard Bloomberg and Feinstein are trying to make it more illegal to kill someone, that would of stopped this crime in it's tracks!

The absurdity of this statement should need no explanation, but the unfortunate thing is that some of you "liked" it. What does advocating for tightening gun control laws by two Democrats have to do with someone thwarting an attempt by someone to murder them by cyanide poisoning? Do you think someone held down this guy and forced him to drink a cyanide-laced beverage, and if the victim had a gun he could have stopped his own murder?

On the evening of his death, he had dinner with his wife, his father-in-law and daughter. Two things of note is that the father-in-law owed thousands of dollars in taxes, and the victim's wife claimed that they all dined on the same lamb curry that she made (the victim was a staunch vegetarian). So; did he eat something else prepared which was poisoned, eat the curry (that is spicy enough to cover up the distant bitter almond taste of potassium cyanide) that someone was able to slip into his food? 1 teaspoon in 4 oz. of water is 50x the amount needed to kill someone, and the effects usually begin within seconds. If he experienced the symptoms his wife said he did during the night (screaming, gasping for air, and collapsing) this could easily convey the idea to the coroner that it was due to a heart attack, as normal toxicology screens don't look for cyanide. It was the brother and sister of the victim that alerted them to the fact that something did not seem right. Khan left no will, so it was the wife and daughter who would have inherited. So; the first thing to look at is who benefits the most from the murder, and who could have administered the cyanide that caused the classic symptoms of a heart attack (and cyanide poisoning)? Remember; the victim stated he wanted to reinvest some of the money in his business, and donate part to St. Jude's.

I know; if DA the points a large magazine-holding gun at the most likely perpetrators, after shooting off a couple of rounds at their feet, he'll probably get multiple confessions. Case solved!

The best way to start the investigation is with the question: Who stands to financially benefit from his death? He comes into money and the next day he's dead? Who are his immediate family members who would inherit his estate? If he has a will, who's named in it? Sounds like someone that stood to inherit the money was in a big hurry to get their hands on it before he had a chance to use the money for his business.

Good luck on that. Every time a winner is awarded the place where its sold has to reveal it because they get a percentage too. Sounds like to me his spouse or somebody close bumped him off. Cyanide is undectable after a certain amount of time.

It could be that. Or it could have been a complete stranger he bragged to driven to jealousy and who believed that by murdering him, he/she could somehow get at his money.

You never know. People do stupid crap when they're jealous.

Yes, that would be if you EVER win it. The odds aren't too good in your favor.

Dave - you would keep your winnings a secret, yet post your strategy to do so here.

Hm...

I wouldn't think it would be an immediate family member (son, daughter, wife) but of course that's a possibility. Perhaps a co-worker or family friend, someone who is close enough to the family to have a trusted relationship and know when he recieved the money but is distant enough where he/she was not in line for any inheritance and emotionally detached enough where he/she could justify killing him for the money. We should also ask who would be capable of findng cyanide in the first place? obviously the lottery winner was poisoned so it would have to be someone who was close enough to administer it. Did a co-worker slip some cyanide into his coffee at work? did he go over to a friends place for a few beers? Could this be a 2-party conspiracy? maybe one person got the cyanide and the other person administered it? I just hope they get to the bottom of it.

Winners of the lottery have the option of being anonymous when an announcement is made that the lottery winnings have been claimed. It's not a requirement to agree to having your name pulicized when you go to claim the earnings when following the instructions on the back of the ticket. There have been a number of people who have taken that option so they are not put in the public light and made a possible target.

I see many ANONYMOUS lottery winners in the future.

Well Dave I hope no one in your family or any of your friends read your posts because if your business suddenly does well and you sell they will know you won the lottery. Unfortunately in Georgia they post your picture and name. It would be nice to win a little something but I wouldn't want it to be enough that people kill me.

I want to know how much time had passed from the point when he knew he won to the point when he recievd the money. This is the time frame that the conspirators had to make their plans. Next, who would be capable of getting cyanide? I know cyanide is in rat poison, and probably other things as well, but you would think the examiners would be able to tell the difference between, lets say, chemically pure cyanide or a compound with cyanide in it.

And let's not rule out the possibility that 2 or moe people could have been in on it. Maybe one person was the brains of the operation while the other was somebody close enough to administer the poison. Maybe cyanide was aslipped into his coffee at work, or maybe he went to a "friends" house for a few beers.

Was a good plan besides two things. If your name is really Dave Lovell then you pretty much spilled the beans if your friends or family read this. Second, I hope your wife loves you!

Nice thought but in most states agreeing to public exposure is a condition of collecting your winnings. Read the fine print.

I see you like to be prepared. Have you also spoke to your wife at length what to do if you are hit by a train or attacked a bull shark, more likely occurrences. But one thought, when your wife offs you with cyanide, a poison that usually isn't tested for in a routine autopsy, there wont be any motive to suggest foul play and your wife sails off into the sunset nobody the wiser.

A few people have posted here that likely aren't smart enough to win a random drawing.

Illinois requires that its lottery winners present their beaming faces for news conferences and other promotional appearances unless they have “compelling reasons” not to. In fact, only six states – Kansas, Maryland, Delaware, Michigan, North Dakota and Ohio – allow lottery winners to remain anonymous.

That would be a good plan if you live in one of these 6 states!

For the same reason you spelled it "poisen". Stupidity.

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brandon10101

I want to know how much time had passed from the point when he knew he won to the point when he recievd the money. This is the time frame that the conspirators had to make their plans. Next, who would be capable of getting cyanide? I know cyanide is in rat poison, and probably other things as well, but you would think the examiners would be able to tell the difference between, lets say, chemically pure cyanide or a compound with cyanide in it.

And let's not rule out the possibility that 2 or moe people could have been in on it. Maybe one person was the brains of the operation while the other was somebody close enough to administer the poison. Maybe cyanide was aslipped into his coffee at work, or maybe he went to a "friends" house for a few beers."

You watch too many crime shows, loser.

raleigh, you're a little off base, the statistic is only for rifles, not guns. Still interesting though and let's not forget the nearly 400,000 who die each year as a result of cigarettes...

raleighdolly, I'm never surprised when people like you and the rabid folks at brietbart.com, where you got that "fact" either misrepresent the truth or just make up stuff wholesale. The reason we "don't know that more people are killed with hammers than guns" is because it's not true.

The FBI reported in their homicide database that in 2009, 611 people were killed with "blunt objects" - that translates to "hammers" for you guys. The same year, 328 were killed with a rifle - that translates to "guns". That was just for 2009 - that becomes "more people die from hammer attacks than guns every year". What a load of BS. If you add up all the methods for offing people in any given year, it's still only about half the amount of total deaths from gunshots. In fact, last year guns killed more than 17 times more people than hammers - or any other blunt weapon, for that matter. In other words, they were responsible for nearly 70 percent of total murders in 2011.

There’s a reason you don’t hear about mass hammering sprees. Maybe you should actually think about why that is.

Honestly, how pathetic - and dishonest - can you get? I dare you to glibly repeat that "fact" to anyone in Newtown, CT - you'd be b!tchslapped from here to breakfast, and would deserve every damn inch of it.

Yeah, it's amazing what people will do for money, and part of it is promoting the gun industry and the NRA lobbyists through dishonesty. It's your promoting idiocy like that "fact" - by design or just sheer ignorance, I really don't give a damn which you're guilty of - that fosters the notion that a woman who has a disturbed kid living with her still really. really needs to have two pistols and a semi-assault rifle in her house because of the real possibility of hammer attacks.

Shame on you.

Stop trying to give opinion as fact... you don't know diddly, so be quiet...

Regarding "anonymous" lottery winners...that won't work very well. The news will report that "somebody" won the gazillion dollar lottery but we will never know who it is because they want to remain anonymous. We'll just have to go on faith that somebody actually won and not wonder if the lottery is otherwise rigged, because you KNOW you can trust people in the world to do the right thing; people like those who run the lottery and manage the money, those very trustworthy people.

Cyanide has been used for centuries to kill notable people such as Rasputin, and it can be made from certain plants. It was long believed to be bad luck to make a baby's crib out of elder wood, and appropriately so considering that the bark and unripe berries contain cyanide. Suicide bombers in the Middle East and Sri Lanka wear necklaces with vials of cyanide in case they're caught; they can poison themselves and die before anyone can beat any information out of them. Terrible stuff, yes, but difficult to acquire? Not so much.

and on this same day in Aurora Colorado everyone is going to go see a new movie

@ 7.62x39mm...ARE
YOU STUPID????!!!!!! What the hell this tragedy has to do with the liberals?!
What a coldhearted jerk!!!! This is about some greedy son of...who murdered someone
else out of envy, leaving an entire family mourning. You should take your
liberals vs. conservative gun debate crap somewhere else!!!!!

dave lovell, I think you have a great idea I just hope it wasn't his wife that poisoned him ,if he was married. I am not sure that lotteries can be confidential.to have them not appear in the newspaper or tv may be a option but one that digs into it to find out I think they have the right.not sure about that though

whats up with the polital bullsh** You people are efd up!!

The poisoner messed up their plan of operation to drug up the unfortunate Minooj so very soon after winning that lotto. The investigation should be purty easy to wrap up; just find that person in Minooj's life that has no tolerance for delayed gratification.

Judging from his one photo in the article, Minooj is a really easy mark.

Rest In Peace, Sir. You won't have to deal with any more undeserving fools in this Lifetime.

Dancing, I wish I had the ability to look at one photo of a guy and be able to tell how easy a mark they must be. Did your Spidey sense tingle and tell you that?

Not only will be not have to deal with fools around here, he won't have to deal with anything, ever again. He is dead. Gone. Kaput. Lost to the emptiness of time. Let's hope his murderer is caught and enjoys a similiar reward...

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If he has no legally enforceable will, then his estate will be divided among his closest heirs as per the table of consanguinity.

You should also consider whomever will try to apply for Letters of Administration to be a suspect.

It is simple. If you find yourself with a winning ticket. Take it to a lawyer and have it claimed on your behalf by someone who can't disclose your identity.

I wonder if it was just revenge, and not by someone who stood to directly benefit.

Reading the stories of what happens to many lottery winners taught me to enjoy earning the $$$. Life is short.

He died July 20th and the check was cashed August 15th by whom???? Surely the bank wouldn't cash that amount without proper I.D. Something is rotten in Denmark IMO.

More like, something is rotten in Delhi. Check the weeners -- maybe the sacred cows have Bovine Spongiform Encephalopathy... lots of money envy... veddy, veddy badd Karma...

Well said! I'm not losing any sleep over it, myself. ;-)

You raise a good point there. It all has to do with the lottery retaining full rights to using the winner's likeness in promotional materials; go to your state lottery website to see if they have it listed in the by-laws.

There is a possible way around it: convey the ticket to a trust and have the trust attorney come forward. The objective is to have the trust be declared the winner. A bit of legal angling here: you might have to have the trust set up first before you validate the ticket at the terminal. Using scratch tickets as an example, if you scratch a grand prize but do not validate it immediately, you can set up the trust first then have the legal representatives of the trust claim the prize on behalf of the trust; it's all a matter of before the fact versus after the fact. If the trust is set up after the ticket is validated, it's after the fact, and you probably won't be able to keep your likeness out of the promo materials or off the lottery's website.

My advice on winning a grand prize on a scratch: consult a tax attorney and a trust attorney before validating the ticket. You first need to know all your options as far as protecting your winnings as well as your privacy. Before the fact versus after the fact can make a big difference.

Very good advice, and what numbers would I pick to be faced with this sort of problem?

r7apple,

I have just posted the same thing..I am not sure that you can keep it a close secret. You may be able to claim the prize without newspaper coverage and tv coverage , but I am not sure that if a person asks the agency about it that they can with hold that information. different states may have different rules...

No, you mean something like: "I promised to split it as a tip to the waitress at the coffee shop."

It Happened One Night, one of the better Nicolas Cage movies.

Perhaps you mean, 'It could happen to you". 'It happened one night' was Clark Gable and Claudette Colbert, 1934.

What if it was the wife who asked that investigators look into his death a little more closely?

It would be illogical that a murderer would demand that his/her crime be investigated more closely.

i will consult with the illogic department headed by doctor spock and get back with you...yupp your right...beam me up scotty...

Yeah, sometimes I'm too articulate for my own good. This is one of those times.

It's called 'the internet', P Cat.

Not only were they able to obtain it, but they were able to do so within the time he disclosed that he won and actually collected the winnings. Their thought process had to be instantaneous. Whoever did murder this guy had murder on their mind long before he won.

You just order it through ACME. I know this for a fact because I watched the coyote do it.

Anil_Rheam...(#9.3)...

DING, DING, DING, DING..... And we have a winner !!!....That was great....I'm still laughing !!!!

SOMEONE is just as competent as THEY are knowledgeble !

You dont have to buy it on the computer at all.For the Perry Mason's out there you can find potassium cyanide in alot of household items,such as toilet bowl cleaner,acetone(for stripping paint) and many bleaching solutions.Hell,if you smash up enough apple seeds you can kill someone also.Because apple seeds contain potassium cyanide in them.The reason you down die from them is because you would need alot of them and the protected shell prevents them from harming us.Or if you wanted you could use hydrogen cyanide,and thats easily found in the exhaust of your car,combustable engines in closed areas.Also certain plastics also have hydrogen cyanide poisen in them.So you see people its not hard to kill someone with cyanide poisen.And the reason it wasn't found at first,is because there was no insurance co. investigating a claim,which is where a fully examination is taken place.So its just a normal thing(happens more than you think)to pass over,even in a lottery winning case.It took a relative to raise eyebrows.

they do need to investigate who stands to benefit from the lottery winnings. Thats really sad it happened to him. There just so much greed in this world, selfishiness., etc., I too agree with Dave Lovell. Keep it a secret, even from relatives and friends.

It was Mr. White, in the library.

no it was Mrs. Peacock in the kitchen...

Col. Mustard in the kitchen.......lol

your all wrong it's the butler

JIM THE DRUG DEALER

WRONG!!

actually, it is the LOVE of money that is the root of all evil
money can do great good if used conscientiously

What evidence ? I'm sure you believe Elvis is still alive too.

He was just spotted going down I-95 with Michael Jackson, Jimi Hendrix, and Keith Moon.

Slowly, in a white Ford Bronco.

Sadly incompetence or lack of suspicion are far more likely than a conspiracy, unless you know of a way that the coroner could have collected on his winnings.

It just seems sketchy to me that a coroner would look at ALL options of death...I mean isnt' that what they are supposed to do is rule out all possibilities?

also perhaps the coroner was paid off to give a clean death cert. who knows. I dont' put anything past people now days.

I'll bet when they are asked this they will say that there wasn't anything suspicious about his death; that they found evidence of heart disease or something like that to explain his death; and that toxicology reports cost a lot and they don't run them unless they have reason to suspect. You would think that winning the lottery that day would be a reason for suspicion, but the coroner probably assumed the winning caused a heart attack or something like that.

Hence my remark about incompetence.

It's "Guido"... And what the he!! are YOU lookin at?

People have the option of being anonymous and many people do choose that route. Odds are, if he planned to expand his business, he probably thought that by allowing his name to be announced it would bring customers into the cleaning business he owned. I'm not saying that is what he did, but it is a possibility or one reason why he was okay with being publicly announced as the winner.

Was this one of those states where he wasn't allowed to remain anonymous?

I came on this forum looking for a group of folks who were helping to console this poor Muslim family who have obviously worked very hard to make their life here a good one and now own some small businesses -- dry cleaners that serve their communities -- and what do I find?

Sleazy wannabe detectives who send more pain to this poor man's family by labeling them greedy murderers before they have had time to dry their tears and bury their loved one.

How about we all light a candle and say a prayer for this man's soul and his family's privacy?

I feel such sadness for this man -- this innocent who naiively announced to the clerk in the store and other strangers that he had won a million dollars -- a clear sign that he was a good man who trusted that others are the same.

I send my condolences to this mourning family -- his wife, children, parents -- all those who respected, loved and valued him -- and look to the outside world for the assassin who stole this man's life.

No where in the article did I read the he was a muslim. Just because he from India?

Aren't most people in India Hindu?