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The body of a teenage boy was found Tuesday in the partially frozen New Jersey lake where he and another teen are believed to have fallen through the ice, authorities said.
The other boy has not been found. The search was suspended in the evening and was set to resume Wednesday morning.
Police began searching for the boys after several 911 calls came in reporting screams for help coming from the lake in Mount Olive Township shortly before 6:30 p.m. Tuesday.
The search in the frigid water changed Tuesday morning to a recovery effort, officials said.
One of the 911 callers, William Hardy, lives across the lake with a friend and told NBCNewYork.com he heard two cries and went to the lake to investigate in the dark.
"We heard some individuals calling for help, saying, 'Please help us. Please save us, someone help,'" said Hardy.
Hardy ventured onto the ice to locate the voices but could not safely get far enough to reach them.
"I took the flashlight and walked out about 800 feet," he said. "They're still another 100 feet in front of me, the ice is cracking. I can see a cell phone, I can still hear them. They're still talking to me and then the firefighters came."
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On Tuesday morning, the father of one 15-year-old boy believed to be among the two missing returned to the search scene at Budd Lake.
The father told NBCNewYork.com that his son told him by phone Monday afternoon that he planned to go ride his bike on the lake with a friend, which is something the boy had done before. When he heard helicopters and saw the news reports, the father rushed down to the lake to speak with investigators -- but they had nothing concrete to tell him. So he returned Tuesday to wait.
He told NBCNewYork.com he didn't know the other boy who was believed to be at the lake with his son.
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I never understood why people like to go stand on ice like this. Stories like this are the reason I just wouldnt do it. EVER.
Neither have I however, when growing up around a lake, you get comfortable when it's frozen knowing your surroundings. All summer you play around it and fish etc... then when it's frozen, they want to investigate areas of the lake that you didn't originally have access to. It's somewhat like a dare without understanding the ramifications if you fall through...
It's that "it always happens to someone else, not me" feeling.
What a terrible tragedy. I'm sure you guys know how it works if you can locate someone within an hour under the ice. They actually have a chance to survive with their body temperature being lowered.
If I recall, this kind of situation inadvertently taught specialists to lower body temperatures during certain specialized surgeries that are way more successful now.
Man, I hope & wish this turns out to be a rude prank by these kids but seriously doubt it. I just could not imagine being the parents. Not knowing whats going on and just waiting for that knock on the door that they do not want to hear.
Oh man.....
Ice fishermen go out on the ice, that's why they are called ice fishermen. But if you are an old ice fisherman, you don't go out on just any ice. I prefer 8 inch thick ice myself, or thicker. The reason for the 8 inch thick ice personal thickness limit is I catch fish, and it is quite common to have someone come over and ask how the fishing is. About 10 years back, I was out fishing with a friend of mine on 6 inch ice, when this kid about 400 pounds drove up on the biggest snow machine I think that was built. We were waving the kid off, and that stupid SOB thought we were waving him to come on. Ice fishing is a great winter sport, but you want to have your wits about your personal safety. People drive on the ice thinking that just because the ice will support one vehicle, it will support two, and if it will support two, it will support four.
My suggestion is if some guy that weighs about 300 pounds can carry a one hundred pound sandbag on his shoulders... if he goes out first, you can go out in his trail about 30 yards behind. Because lots of people are getting really lazy and use snow machines and ATV's on the ice, if the ice is thick enough for that kind of use, it is thick enough to walk on. I've been through the ice two times, which is one time too many to find out how cold the water gets. You can get the same idea in your own home by emptying three or four bags of ice in your bath tub, then sitting in it.
Never fear they will find them in the Spring...
Here in wisconsin we have people every fall and spring going through thin ice, its like their lemmings and as soon as its hard they have to go out on it, just had a pickup go through ice on a local lake, fisherman are the biggest group that take icy swims....
I wish I would have.....
Very sad.
I am reminded about this guy we read about in school. His name was Darwin...
Yup, there's always one in the crowd. You know, the one that has to make a joke out of a tragedy. Pffft! Karma my brotha, You're next...
Steve,
On a quad, you're distributing the weight on four wheels whereas, when walking, you have all your weight on one foot which is the highest stress point of weight during each step.
A 400lb quad is somewhat distributing 100lbs per wheel, plus your weight. A 400lb person walking is distributing 400lbs in one spot.
Be careful out there and enjoy the ice fishing!
Creek Dog... and that's the very reason I like to see some 300 pound kid, with 100 pounds of gear go out first! I've seen new trucks with the stickers still in the window go through the ice. One carpenter's van, loaded with tools, etc. I was in the Coast Guard in Alaska. A cat train went through the ice on a river. They sent a diver down, put a snorkel on the cat, and drove it out. That doesn't work with kids. The only reason I'm writing this comment this morning is I'm waiting for a friend to come over to go ice fishing...like we did yesterday.
How absolutely horrible!! My heart is breaking..
Feel so bad for Hardy and the families.
You've hit the nail on the head Steve Herbert.Wise words,and good advice...and I agree,too many skidoos,and ATV's on the ice. Hope you catch a few.
Ice is very dangerous and too few people know how to be safe on it. Riding a bike on ice that isn't really thick is even worse than walking on it. You're putting weight on a smaller area with bike tires than with your own feet. Even standing on one foot distributes weight across more space than two bike tires will. You should never go out on ice that isn't at least 6 inches or more thick (at least 10-12 inches with a vehicle) even if others do so and don't fall through. If you plan to go out on thinner ice, you should always make sure to have people around who are not next to you on the ice who can help if you fall through. It's just far too dangerous if you make a mistake to take that risk. It doesn't really matter if you're a good swimmer when you fall through the ice. First, you get hit with the shock of the extremely cold water. Then you have the weight of water-logged clothes and boots that are dragging you down. And if the ice is thin as proven by breaking through, then trying to pull yourself out is going to be difficult because the ice is likely to just keep breaking. And that's assuming you are able to get back up to the hole you fell through and don't get dragged away from the hole under the ice.
Ice can be fun to spend time on - ice fishing, skating, even car racing or snowmobile racing - but be smart about it. Make absolutely certain that you know how thick the ice is where you are and that it is thick enough for the amount of weight. More people or vehicles in an area means the ice needs to be even thicker. And be very careful in the spring as the ice starts to melt. That is one of the most dangerous times because people are used to being on the ice and it being safe that they don't consider that it's getting thinner each day. You can be on melting ice as long as the solid ice is still thick. I went ice fishing on a lake that had about 12 inches of water on top of about 12 inches of ice as it was melting. That's plenty safe, though perhaps not as enjoyable to walk on. Just be sure you know how thick the solid ice is.
Also, be very careful on ice that has roots or rocks or something else sticking up through the ice. The ice will be less stable in those locations and far more likely to break up.
And oddly (or not) it's always the guys who do this sort of thing. I guess girls are smarter than that.
Condolences to the families
mozzie: Not really. It's just a difference in what they choose to do. Guys are more likely to do things that are dangerous. Even so, girls also do stupid things. They just end up doing things that are less likely to get themselves or others killed. That isn't a matter of being smart. It's just a difference in the kind of things they like to do. Girls who like to do dangerous things are just as likely to get into the same situations as guys are.
As an example, young girls are far more likely to put information online that can get them into a dangerous situation from predators than guys are and they are more trusting, which can put them into the same kind of situation as well. So it doesn't have anything to do with girls being smarter. It's just a difference in the activities they are interested in and the fact that the activities are generally safer to begin with.
I can't feel sorry for stupid people. And the sign s say you got to have a membership card to get inside............
Hannibalektr
I'll never understand why people would let their kids do it. If one of mine called and said they were going to ride their bike on a frozen lake I'd say HELL NO! At the very least until I had checked out that ice for myself.
Yes, girls are less "risk taking"..... usually don't shoot up malls and stuff.
Maybe because we carry the .babies we value life more?????(Making a generalization here of course, all men don't do stuff like this).....Maybe it's the different hormones in men and women's bodies..... I've always wondered that........
I fell through the ice once. Nobody knew that I had gone to the creek to walk on the frozen ice. I broke through a patch of thin ice. Fortunately, as I was falling, I sprawled forward and didn't fall completely through, just my feet and lower legs and was able to crawl away from the hole. One of the most terrifying moments of my life.
LA Deb, #1.22
Understood.
Personally, I always thought that anything that bleeds for a week each month and lives, has go to be pretty tough so it may not be about the value of life versus carrying baby's.
Anybody else wondering if this situation is as it appears? Got a gut feeling about the 'please save us'. You don't yell 'please save US', when you think your death is imminent. You yell a frantic stream of help! help! help!!! We'll just have to wait and see.
I saw an interview with a psychiatrist who has a background in dealing with mentally disturbed people (not that these children were). But she said it has to do with how the brain is wired in boys and girls. Males are much more inclined to leap first without thinking of the consequences, whereas females are more likely to take into account ramifications of their decisions.
Add up the horrific number of inintended pregnancies in the US each year then rethink the notion that girls don't engage in risky behavior.
a thomas, you took the words right out of my keyboard.
"Add up the horrific number of inintended pregnancies in the US each year then rethink the notion that girls don't engage in risky behavior."
HOLLA!
@a thomas,
Afternoon!
Here's something else 2 ponder:
A 14-year-old can spend 48 hours in labor 2 have their kid, but we can't make her get a job 2 support said kid because of (come on, say it with me) child-labor laws.
LOL! I slay me sometimes. ;-)
Our hopes and prayers for the missing teens being found ok.
I have a bad feeling however. This doesn't sound very reassuring.
creek puppy - one of the oldest jokes in the book, get some new material. stupid is as stupid does, anyone and everyone including me is stupid for wasting their life, even if its 2 minutes, on a useless blog. pray in one hand sh1t in the other see which fills up 1st
@thomas, of course because they get into said situation all by themselves. Males are totally "hands off" because of the risky behavior of having children they won't/can't support at the risk of imprisonment. No way no how would they do such things.
Tyler? Sally?
What's up with the spamming lately?
Luscha--true, today, but 40 years ago (pre-dna testing) the girl was the only one who usually paid the price--all the guy had to do is get 3-4 friends to swear they had slept with her too, and he was off scott free, with, if anything, and 'enhanced' reputation among his 'peers'. Meanwhile, the girl was labeled as a 'slut' and easy, and her reputation and her life for 18 years was pretty much ruined.
The REALLY strong ones survive that, but most do not.
mozzie-600 That is such nonsense all you have to do is type in "girl falls thru ice" on a search and see that they do in fact do the same thing.
@MOmaid,
U R not wrong. There was a time in this country, when an unmarried female found herself "in a fix" she was sent 2 "live with & help out Aunt [insert name of choice here]", which was actually a home for unwed mothers-in another state. After she had her kid, it was put up for adoption & she went home........like nothing ever happened. Of course, nobody was fooled by this. And she probably didn't marry after that, unless it was 2 some old thing that had lost his wife (lost her because she died; probably in childbirth) & now needed somebody 2 take care of the kids mama left behind.
Sad, I know.
wenezdae,
Well, tough guy, you just wasted another two minutes with your two cents rather than tell me a joke that will not waste another two minutes.
Lets see what you got.... If you're all that, you won't waste another two minutes with your two cents...
Mozzie,
Your posts suggest that you're struggling as a woman in a mans world. What's the 600?
Uh, back the truck up a little here. Funny you don't mention the father's responsibility in this. Why isn't he working to support his offspring that was produced by statutory rape? Hmm?
Not only *that*, but, for most of that time, abortion (regardless of what you think thereof) was illegal (girls getting abortions at that time anyway notwithstanding).
@mozzie,
Who said anything about rape, statutory or otherwise? Hmm? I guess it never occurred 2 U that the "father" is/could B 14 also. As 2 Y he isn't working, same problem-child labor laws. I'm not even gonna try 2 guess where U R but, in my state 14-year-olds R only allowed 2 work 3 hours a day, 15 hours a week & MUST B off the clock by 7:00 PM. Could U support a kid on 15 hours a week?
Wow, mozzie! Statutory rape, please keep your fantasies off the Newsvine. Thank you.
At age 15 you are not thinking of pound per pound or if the ice is so many inches thick, you are just going out there to slide around and have a good time. Most kids at this age don't stop to even think that falling through the ice or any other dangerous act could possibly result in death. This is a very sad story and my heart goes out to the families of both boys. It's not fair.
U don't say: You're getting so far off track here, that this conversation can't be saved.
Have a good day!
@mozzie,
Way 2 avoid the questions. (Applause)
And I am having a good day. Thank you. :-)
Well once again I and a few other old men got off the ice, and took some nice fish too. I thought I'd put a plug in for about one of the nastiest tasks, and that is recovering bodies which have been in the water for awhile. I was in the CG, but your local sheriff's department will agree with me, it can be pretty gruesome. People who have a high sense of vanity don't want to be dying in the water, and hope to have an open casket funeral, if you're in the water for a number of days. Fish safely, boat safely, snow machine and ATV safely!
I feel terrible for these kids. My neice knows one of the boys and Budd Lake is 10 min or less from my house. Budd Lake usually freezes before most other lakes as the water is somewhat still. Problem is the ice was safe last week but due to a warm day or two along with some winds caused the ice to become unsafe. I saw folks fishing right near where these kids went through last week.
I hope the families cand find some solace at there time of need
Well said Creek, on all your above posts.
Thinking back as a kid, I can remember doing some pretty dumb sh*t that leaves me wondering now at 39, just how I survived some of it. Digging tunnels 5 feet down in loose dirt. Sneaking into the far end of the skeet shooting range to collect unbroken pigeons on shooting days. The list is endless.
So sad, those kids have drown I have a feeling?
It's sad. My condolences to their families and loved ones. Kids and teens in general have no sense of mortality - they think they'll live forever, or that bad things won't happen to them, and they take risks. I'm more puzzled by adults who do things like this. Every winter we read about dog owners who falls through the ice and drown, while trying to rescue an unleashed dog, or about skiers who just HAD to ski in a posted "danger-avalanche" area.
It's nuts to go out on the ice as it's growing dark (or was already dark?). I'm surprised the lake was frozen enough to hold their weight. It hasn't been that cold and it's just early January.
The people who need to read stories like this one are teenagers, but they think it can never happen to them.
agreed kaybee....it hasn't been that cold this winter,not cold enough for sufficent ice yet.
So sad about these 2 kids. Another preventable tragedy.
The brains of teens are not completely finished, they make very poor judgement calls because they haven't the experience and they still have a very low impulse control. Both boys and girls have this problem, they just take different risks. If these guys had been a few years older they very well would have made a much different decision. I do wonder why Dad felt it was OK with out checking for himself. Hindsight is so accurate, a damn shame it's hind sight. Peace to the families and friends of these kids.
I would never have told my child he could play on the ice! I know in Northern states they get used to this but adults are usually way more cautious. I know you can't be with them all the time and that accidents happen. This is so horrible and sad! I pray for the boys and their families! By the way, if you are an athiest and you come along after someone says something about God or praying, it will not effect us what so ever and I know your intent is to cause trouble like a little child picking on his sister or make us think God is not real and no use in praying but that has NO effect on us! You can talk until your blue in the face and it makes no difference! We believe the way we do and we don't care if you do or not! Simple as that. Now go pick on someone who cares!
no one living by a lake dont have a flat bottom boat?
yes one living by lake no have flat bottom boat.
God.....that is one of the best replies I have ever read. Hilarious.
and yes we don't have no bananas.
-god...that was funny,no disrespect for the teens though..hope all goes well
-god,
Fro? Is dat U?
LOL
The Darwin Award goes to...........................................
Hannibalektr-(I never understood why people like to go stand on ice like this)
In the midst of winter, many smaller lakes freeze over completely and people will skate and use sleds on them as winter fun activities. Especially without hills to sled down. When this has happened safely in the past, people assume it is still safe to do so currently.
But times are changing in our weather, lakes are not freezing like they have in past years and winters are not typical like they have been either, even from one year to the next.This is particularly true for northern states. Where, in January many of these lakes one would expect them to be frozen sufficiently. Ice fishing through out most of winter, which used to be common, has even been forced to cut back to a very short period. Even older adults are offering suggestions of safer places for family to venture then usual, because regular places aren't freezing well enough for lake activities.
For teenagers,looking for some fun, ice is very inviting.It doesn't cost anything, only comes during part of the year and you can get to fast speeds covering large distances quickly. But this can be a particularly dangerous period as their judgment abilities are not well formed, so too their impulse controls.Which means, you can get in trouble quickly also.Because the idea there is any danger involved is so easily brushed off by the idea of how much fun, and justification they will tell themselves. Logic is not their strong suit during this phase of life.They lack real life experience understanding what to look for around dangerous ice.
It looks like in this case some may have lost their lives, which would be such a tragedy.There will no doubt be some who call them stupid and other cruel words.But we are all humans after all, and making mistakes as one grows up is part of the learning process.That is how all of us eventually gain wisdom in the end. Not from all the right choices, but the mistakes we make. Most of us just get really lucky and some learn from the negative consequences, while some don't, and others pay with their lives.
If anyone can learn from this incident, then this tragedy will not be for nothing.I pray these youth have not been lost, but if worst is the case, then may their loved ones be comforted and given strength and find peace and comfort in the love they shared with their children.
Budd Lake is not a small lake.
People go ice fishing on it all the time. Sadly, people aren't educated about how to know when ice is thick enough to hold up. I never understood why the town didn't have a system in place to put out flags that indicate the ice is or is not thick enough....sort of like the flags they put out at the beach to warn bathers of danger. A core sample would do the trick but not all areas of a larger lake may be thick enough to hold up so it may be an effort in futility.
You got the job of walking out on the ice to see if it is thick enough. Don't forget to put flags out if it is too thin to walk on!
There are some places that put up warning signs when the ice is thin, but that doesn't happen most of the time. And with a large lake, it's a lot of work to try and do that because ice thickness isn't the same around the entire lake. It will vary based on many factors, so even if it's safe in one place, it could be dangerously thin somewhere else. To test an entire large lake on a regular basis requires a lot of manpower and resources and towns and cities just don't have the money to spend.
What really needs to happen is to start teaching people about the dangers of being on ice and how to know if it's safe or not.
There is a big cost to inspecting lakes, but at the very least, you would think city's and towns with lakes would have a volunteer force that would inspect the lake ice.
We need to look out for eachother, the government isn't going to do it.
@windancerson, great points, I'm praying and hoping that they find them alive. I have a pre-teen son , and a teenage daughter when things like this happen, I always think that ,it could be them. Hope for the best comes out this situation.
Windancersong--sorry, I'm in my 60's and live on the lake of the Ozarks, and have watched cold and not so cold winters for that long, and the one thing I know is that these things go in cycles. On my 6th birthday, there was SNOW on the ground (and deep!) on my birthday at the end of APRIL. For several years after, we had almost NO bad winter.
As a Frosh in College, we had 5 weeks of 0-10 degree weather (55 below zero chill factor, and I had THIRTEEN blocks to 'waddle' to my 7:40AM class and then peel off the layers!) In 82, we had 19 inches of show in St. Louis in ONE night, and the next year, not nearly that much TOTAL.
And as for the heat of summer in the last several years? I've lived through worse. We've had worse droughts. Everything that goes around, comes around.
This is new jersey most year s the lakes wont even freeze, so cost is not going to be that high. Where i used to live further south did it anytime lakes actually froze over.
It's not clear what the teens were doing on the ice? They're teens! Teens and children do those kind of things. All children who live in parts of the world with cold winters have walked on ice. Why? Because it's fun. If the ice is dangerous (if it's on a deep pond or river) then maybe the parents should keep an eye on the children, and teens.
Did you read the article? They were riding their bikes!! The dad said his son had told him he wasgoing to ride his bike ON the lake. Not the kids fault here, dad was dumb enough to let him go!!!
...yeah, I did kinda wonder trochj, why any father in their right mind would say...
"what's that you say there son? You're goin' go ride your bike out on the ice? Okay..."
I'm guessing a lifejacket probably wouldn't have crossed his mind.
Feel bad for the father....a preventable tragedy.
Even if the dad would have told him no chances are he wouldve done it anyway after all it's a teenage boy we're talking about. The dad was probably at work when the kid told him he was going. Shoot, I was 10,11 years old and our mom told us not to ride our bikes in this wooded area behind the school but we did it anyway. I guess you can keep your kids couped up in the house and go everywhere with them when they want to go bike riding. Kids arent necessarily doing something bad but unfortunately they dont always listen when they want to do something they think is fun or adventurous. It is a very sad situation.
"Even if the dad would have told him no chances are he wouldve done it anyway"
HOLLA!
When my kids were young they used to sneak away to the river and play on the "log roll" a bunch of old logs floating in a small but deep area. They were absolutely forbidden to go there for any reason but when they were much older they told me about it. Kid's just don't have the experience and impulse control of an adult.
You are absolutely right , my son asked me could he go and played with my neighbor's son I told him no. As soon as I was taking a nap, he sneaked out even he knew the consequences he would pay. Just to say kids especially boys like to take risks even on their back of their head they know that it could be dangerous.
So sad. I went through the ice walking on a ditch at 3. My sister pulled me out. Traumatized me for life. I do not go on the ice unless it's been 40 below for days (No. Minnesota) and I still am never comfortable.
Each year we lose a lot of people who are either oblivious to or unable to correctly determine the risk involved with certain behaviours.
As an avid Ice Fisherman, I have a lot of respect for the ice. I was just on the ice in Upstate NY over the weekend fishing safely without incident. We always check the thickness of the ice before venturing out and even then, there can be thin spots on any ice that you have to be careful of. These sort of unfortunate events always seem to happen at the beginning and the ending of the season. It's a terrible thing but it does happen. I'm sure everyone on here has done some poorly thought out things when they were teenagers. I know I have.
When I was a teenager, I went out on some ice that was too thin, and when my leg went through it, I thought I was done for. Fortunately for me, I was able to quickly remove my leg from the hole and get off the ice completely. Lesson learned, but it could have easily gone badly if the ice were thinner, or the water deeper. Have not repeated that mistake since, and I don't care if there are pickup trucks out on the ice now, because I have this fear that just my additional weight will send us all to the bottom. It's sad that these boys had to die for the same type of bravado I once had. Very sad.
The weather in NJ has been unseasonably warm...in the high 30s and climbing into the 40s over the last few days. By this coming weekend it is expected to hit the 50s. As someone who grew up in the White Mountains of NH with a huge pond in the back of the property, as kids we never ventured out on the ice if the temperatures were above the freezing point for more than a day, especially with the sun shining. If the man-made ice rink in our front lawn was not completely frozen there was a good chance the pond (3 miles long) was not safe either.
Kids are oblivious because their parents do not drill into their heads about the safety. Why should the town be responsible for posting flags determining if it is safe or not? It is time people start using common sense. Beaches post signs to swim at your own risk when life guards are not on duty; the same should apply for lakes..."at your own risk"!
We were just in NJ before New Year's, there wasn't even snow where we were, it was raining. The temps were in the 40s, we looked out of place in our winter coats. The Budd Lake area was not very chilly, either--we drove right through there--and there was a lot less snow there last week than we have in SE Michigan. There is no way that ice was safe yet.
We're surrounded by lakes here, our kids all learn ice safety in middle school as part of "teen health" classes. Our lakes did not freeze last year, it's like the whole place was in mourning for the lack of lake-based hockey and ice fishing. Be careful out there! There are PFDs that look like fishing vests and they will keep you warm, I see more people wearing those every year.
Agree Julieann. I grew up in central Vermont and we weren't allowed on the lake until the local soccer fields (which had been flooded by the nearby creek so people could skate) were rock solid. I don't live there now, but my understanding is that winters are much warmer now than they were in the late 60's.
Julianne--sadly, I feel the same way about all the shootings that have happened with 20 something men who have not been taught responsibility, much less proper use and handling of lethal weapons.
It is not the gun's fault, any more than this incident is the fault of the ice.
But in our time, we have decided that ANYTIME anything bad happens, it MUST be someone else's fault, rather than stupidity/irresponsibility/SANITY on the part of the person involved. A woman who lived in my home town was 'intelligent' enough to get a driver's license, but not enough that she did not drive AROUND the arm with the flashing lights on it, into the path of the oncoming TRAIN that she could see for nearly a mile, and when her car was hit by the train, which had NO chance of stopping, she sued the RR.
And some idiot JURY decided that despite the RR crossing signs, semophore, flashing red lights, searchlight bright headlight on the train (this happened in broad daylight!) and horribly loud HORN the train engineer was LAYING on, the railroad company was at least PARTLY to blame, and so gave the driver AND her passenger some money. (Instead of giving the engineer a REWARD for getting the train slowed down enough that the two car occupants did not DIE.)
You can't legislate against stupidity. Unfortunately, stupid jurors CAN reward it. IF these two boys ARE dead, I'll bet their parents SUE the town. I should BE on that jury.
Hello? Darwin calling...
Dude, they are KIDS. Come on.
rickintheforest..show a bit of respect..this was obviously an accident..i can be bet those kids didn't venture out onto the lake with the hopes of not coming back..where is your empathy?..this is a very sad story..my heart goes out to the parents..
ritf,
Why don't you make a trip to NJ and make your cute joke in front of the kids' families?
Rick's butthole is about to be collapsed by the community.
The "Municipality" would never want the liability that would exist if they put out the "OK" signal and somebody fell through! Can you say LAWSUIT!!!!
Here is MY Question, WHAT PARENT IN THEIR RIGHT MIND Would let their Child RIDE his/her Bike on the ICE???!!! So, it's OK, because He has done this BEFORE??? I DON'T GET IT, I JUST DON;T GET IT...
be quiet you..
Agree Wa2fast, they should however put up signs that say STAY OFF ICE!
What are signs going to do? People will still go on it.
Ah, it is probably just all part of god's plan!
So, you speak for God? You don't know who He is, or this statement would never have been made.
Condolences to the families and friends of these boys; so very sorry.
arslp - you didn't recognize the obvious sarcasm there... notice the lowercase "g" in "god. that should be clue #1. the "god's plan" idea is what believers use as rationalization for tragedies. you should know this.
What I recognize is a so-called "open-mind" that doesn't respect God or anything else traditional. Mind your own business. This was written by someone who doesn't believe in God, and they were making fun of believers. No one, believers or not, can "Rationalize" tragedies; you should know that - AND mind your own business.
Are you saying there are things that god didn't plan? Does that mean things happen outside of god's will? I thought you lot said that everything that happens is part of god's plan, done by his will? No? You sure?
Re-read everything Kynetick. At the risk of being banned, your idiotic post makes no sense. Of course, there are many things God does not plan or ordain that happen outside His will - murders; cruelty; thefts; lying, etc. He allows free will, however; and people choose unwisely. To compell without giving an opportunity for choice is slavery, and God does not enslave.
See how you all have the free will and the opportunity to make fun of Him? You can rest assured that will not always be the case. Every knee; every knee shall bow; and every tongue will confess - and that includes you two.
You two - as in Kynetick and never3putts
Never3putts you are a sick moron!
My thoughts and prayrs go out to the families.
I live in the "Northern Coastline" N.E. Ohio near Lake Erie and there are many frozen lakes around here in the winter, ice fishing is popular around here but knowing there's that chance you could always fall through and freeze to death or drown (whichever happens first), I choose to never trust going out on the ice EVER!!!
I love to fish and hunt, especially deer hunting this time of year, but as much as I like to fish I will not go out on the ice to fish! I will wait until spring and summer to go fishing myself! I've heard about people falling through the ice my entire life of living in the area and yet every single year we'll get a new news story about someone who fell through the ice and died!
I don't even like being in small boats in the summer either! I can't swim for one and even with a life jacket on it scares the hell outta me so I prefer to stay on dry land to fish or on a very very big boat! lol
I know there are risks you take going out on the frozen lakes and I just prefer not to gamble with my life and take those risks, just like I prefer to drive somewhere and not fly commercially, I'm 36 and to this day I have never been in a commercial jet! I prefer to take the scenic route and travel by land! lol
I know there is going to be one of those ignorant morons that is going to try to be an internet troll and say you take a risk everytime you get outta bed, or get into your car, or everytime you walk out your front door, if you are one of those people please just read my post and do not respond back to it! I'm entitled to my personal preferences and opinions just like everyone else!
I have to post this, an opposing viewpoint (I only venture out on ice at least a foot thick, BTW):
http://www.visithoughtonlake.com/tipuptown.shtml
It's a carnival ON the lake. It's a really big lake (20,000 surface acres) and VERY shallow, avg. 7 feet deep, but in the summer, it's more like three feet deep if you are wading from the shore. I've got relatives who live on the lake. Ernest Borgnine appeared in a very goofy little indy movie filmed at Tip-Up Town a few years back, it's called "Scared Stupid" if you want to see the carnival in full swing. I can't convince my NJ in-laws of this, but "Houghton Lake" is correctly pronounced "HO-tun Lake", not "HOW-tun".
I'm with you on the plane thing, I put 250,000+ miles on every car I've ever owned. We'd all rather drive. I think I've been on nine plane flights ever.
I got my late "Ernest" guys mixed up, sorry! The little movie with Borgnine is called "Frozen Stupid".
Heh. Nice note about Houghton Lake (and the correct pronunciation). I grew up in northern Michigan, but never ended up going to that event. One thing to note regarding it besides just that the water level isn't really deep is that they make very sure of how solid the ice is to make sure it's safe to do. It's not like a random lake somewhere where no one has checked it to see if it is safe. Pretty much any large ice event has been properly checked for dangers ahead of time and is safe. That shouldn't lead anyone to believe that all ice is just as safe.
It all starts in the home... Parents breeding well outside of their place on the bell curve.. You know, there are books written about this. For WHOM the bell curve TOLLS!! Well, now ya know.. Nothing good happens when smart people breed with stupid people.
I take it you're not breeding then?
But for the grace of God could that have been me when I was a teen...
Growing up in the Northeast, in the days before parents lived vicariously through their children and planned everything they do, we would play pond hockey, fish, ride our bikes etc. on the ice. As a teen a fire and beers was evening entertainment. Fell through 3 times, once seriously, and my heart is breaking for the kids and their families.
If my son was missing and presumed to be in the lake I would not just go home and return in the morning.
Whatever Buster. It's not about you
Prayers to the boys and their families and the first responders.
A fool and his life will soon part.
Wow...you want to see a fool John. Look in a mirror. This is a tragic story, not a chance for you to give us your wisdom.
John, your lack of compassion is nothing short of disgusting. These were two 15 year old boys,one of whom according to his father had ridden his bike on the frozen lake in the past. Yes,it was a foolish thing for them to attempt without knowing how thick and safe the ice actually was but when you're 15 you don't think about dying. My heart goes out to that father sitting by the lake,knowing his son is dead and not being able to do anything. My sympathies to him and the rest of that boy's family and the family of the other boy. As JB pointed out,this was a tragedy.
Even when we have colder winters to make good ice 12" thick or better, it can be less than a few inches or even open water in areas that are spring fed. People should know a lake before they venture on it. Where it's safe to go and where it's not. It's all the more important after sunset & especially if on ATV's,snowmobiles & even bikes. Also, what may have been safe last winter in January may not be safe this January. My prayers go out to the families of these young boys in this most difficult time.
I asked my dad one winter why he didn't want us to go out on the lake when it was frozen over. He asked me a question (i hated when he did that.) "how thick is that ice?" "i don't know" was the reply. "Exactly, you don't know, your mom and I worked to hard getting you girls here to have you drown because you want to be like everyone else, and if I ever catch you on the lake when its frozen I will make your butt sting for weeks."
Daddy was a steel worker, he had huge hands, big heavy hands, I believed him as he was as good as his word. we never went on the lake in the winter, had some that did and indeed fell thru, some saved some not.