That is the line that stuck out to me too. Well, she messed up because now her butt is in jail and her kids are w/o a mom. Good job!

lisa-3322183

Well, she messed up because now her butt is in jail and her kids are w/o a mom.

Yep, she's in jail ..... for 18 months (which probably means 15 or less if she behaves herself). In the meantime, if you want to see the kids' new mom, look in the mirror.

18 months and then deportation for a couple weeks, then new place, new name,....same game.

denver bill:

And she'll be deported after she serves her sentence. By the terms of the agreement she can't contest it. and given the current directives not to separate families, if the children were born here and have relatives here they can choose to adopt the kids and take them in, or they will be deported with her.

The losers in all of this has been Ms. Gutierrez, whose identity was stolen, making her 'illegal' but not illegal--and the children. My condolences to all.

NBCNews:

Cardona-Gonzalez is not an 'undocumented immigrant'--that would be Ms. Gutierrez, who had no legal documents since Cardona-Gonzalez stole them from her. Call Cardona-Gonzalez what she is: ILLEGAL--jumped the border and committed a crime.

'Undocumented' are people like Ms. Gutierrez, who committed no crimes and was simply missing paperwork.

And worst of all she calls herself a mom. She sure knows how to set an example for her children. All she taught them was to lie, cheat and steal to get what you want. Fortunately she was caught so hopefully the children will learn that there are consequences when you take the wrong path, not just for themselves but for the victims as well.

Amanda-2017567

Cardona-Gonzalez is not an 'undocumented immigrant'--that would be Ms. Gutierrez, who had no legal documents since Cardona-Gonzalez stole them from her.

Exactly. The best analogy I know: If I am stopped by a traffic cop and I don't have my driver's license in my possession, I am an undocumented driver. If I don't have a driver's license, I am an illegal driver. There is a difference.

"Political correctness is tyrrany with manners." ---Charlton Hesston

The deportation hasn't happened yet. nor will it , this will be covered under.

1. Obamas -- " immigration reform" .....AKA;.. amnesty

or

2. Reid's - "Freedom act"......AKA... anchor baby

.

Stay tuned for more of the Barry and Harry show folks.

Isn't that just great! I work at a bank and a Hispanic gentleman came in last week and wanted to open an account. When his social security card was put through the system the S.S. number belonged to a deceased man that was born in the 1930's. The Hispanic man was told that he couldn't open an account using a number that clearly was not his. He left and came back with a newer card, so again it was put through the system and it was rejected due to the fact it was the same number that was on the beat up card he previously brought in. I live in small town USA and this is something that happens quite often. I wish our government would do something about this, but they won't because the person working under a deceased persons S.S. number is free tax money to our government. We all know the government is not going to pay these people the social security benefits when they are older (they don't pay out to dead people, but they can certainly collect from a dead person) You should see the size of tax returns they get five plus thousand dollars....isn't the USA great!

stull,

sad part is that's just one. most don't bother with banks at all. If they don't get paid by cash they simply roll on over to your local wally world or check cashing place, it more convenient after all when they are there they can send money to Mexico to fund even more family members to come here. how convenient .

So has anyone even touched on the idea that she will be receiving free medical care and housing for 18 (15 with good behavior) months with American taxpayers footing the bills?

A big percent of them in my area are employed by a local canary that banks with us, so they are allowed to cash their payroll checks on their employers account. They always want 100 dollar bills and then they take the money next door to the grocery store and Western Union the money to Mexico. In return the grocery store also banks with us, they bring back the 100 dollar bills with their deposit. Vicious circle!

Don't you guys get it? This was just a noble, undocumented worker trying to make a better life for her and her kids, she was only trying to survive. J/K, she's just another piece of crap illegal alien criminal taking what does not belong to her. She should be doing more time, and she had the nerve to claim her identity was stolen....lol. What a shameless, immoral pig.

Don't know what they are called where you live, but we now have what is called "new Iowans" centers...fully funded mind you.....yet the state run employment agency's have been cut by 35 % .....meanwhile our young people are unemployed. the starter jobs" that were abundant in my youth no longer exist. our temp services even put in their ads that "special consideration" will be given to new hires that are fluent in Spanish.

The children she didn't have when she stole Ms. Guttierez's identity?

Aftre being a blight on someone else's life for this long, she's getting off with a slap on the wrist.

Whats that liberal line again, Oh yeah, "They are just hard working people who want a better life for themselves and their kids, they are not hurting anyone, only take the jobs other Americans won't do and are not looking for hand outs."

BULLLLLLLLSH*T, just another fine example of the people Obama bribed to re-elect him and the rest of the libs.

You can rest assured she will be back soon after she is deported, right back at it again, and who ends up picking up the tab on her and her 2 anchor babies, US the real hard working, tax paying Americans that's who.

denver bill:

I was an undocumented--adopted as an infant internationally, never told before my parents passed away in a car accident, eighteen years after my adoption USCIS finds they lost the adoption paper and declared me'illegal'when I couldn't give them a copy (since I'd never known I was adopted.) Then when they found out I was a stateless infant(abandoned at an international orphanage with no birth certificate, therefore no 'home country' to be deported to) they told me I'd remain in deportation until I gave them a copy of the adoption paper. It took me three years of writing letters to every courthouse in every state we'd ever lived in to find that paper.

I was never 'illegal'--I committed no crimes, was not brought here illegally. I was simply undocumented--missing a piece of paper.

If they actually return her to Mexico, chances are she'll be back in a month under a new name.

Amanda- that little chestnut is getting wore the F out, but what you call "undocumented" in no way applies to this case, in this case the woman is an ILLEGAL PERIOD. She broke lots of laws including being in this country ILLEGALLY and should be bared from ever returning to the USA for any reason, because she not just undocumented she is a CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN.

She was not just some honest hard working mother looking for a better life for her kids, she is a FREAKING thief stealing from the other woman and the rest of us HARD WORKING TAX PAYING AMERICANS.

If you think she needs our help please feel free to writer her a freaking check out of your own account.

Amanda, your story in no way relates to the article. Clearly, you did nothing wrong. This lady spent years lying, stealing and taking someone elses life away on purpuse.

The punishment does not fit the crime! 18 months is not nearly long enough for length of time she perpetrated this offense. This went on for at least 12 years. How did she get the victim's SS#? Who were the idiots in the government that decided the criminal was the victim? How did a judge accept such a lenient bargain for the criminal?

Amanda-2017567

I was never 'illegal'--I committed no crimes, was not brought here illegally. I was simply undocumented--missing a piece of paper.

Whine me a river (as you usually do). "Undocumented" has absolutely with this woman; she was blatantly here Illegally for the purpose of, in the word of her bottom feeding scum sucker, because

"She wanted to give her children a better life. That is what this is all about."

Break any law lay that you chose and then justify it by saying "I only wanted a better life for myself and my children." Do you suggest that we quit enforcing our laws because the people that broke them (drug Dealers, Thieves, Robbers, Mortgage Brokers, or Wall Street Traders) "Only wanted a better life?

You constantly whine about "Undocumented" but care nothing about the damage they do. In 2006 My wife died from a Cerebral Aneurysm. Because she was an Organ Donor, her body was kept on life support fro 2 days in order to harvest her organs. During that time, her identity was stolen by a ring working in the Dallas and Fort Worth Hospitals. The ring used illegal Aliens that were working in the hospitals for sub contractors to harvest the identity of dead or dying people and then open accounts and get ID's. They opened nearly $500, 000 worth of accounts using her identity before it was noticed (I was a little busy preparing to bury her). it cost me over $250, 000 in legal bills to get the problem fixed and her good name cleared.

Tell me that these "Undocumented" bastards don't harm people.

This is a good example of why Social Security needs to update cards to providing a smart card at the age of eighteen with a facial photo and encrypted retina scan and other pertinent data embedded in the card and updated every twenty years.

Robbob said:

but what you call "undocumented" in no way applies to this case, in this case the woman is an ILLEGAL PERIOD. She broke lots of laws including being in this country ILLEGALLY and should be bared from ever returning to the USA for any reason, because she not just undocumented she is a CRIMINAL ILLEGAL ALIEN.

If you go back and read my original post on the subject, you'd find out THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. Cardona-Gonzalez is illegal (undocumented AND committed a crime) and Ms Gutierrez is the undocumented immigrant--an immigrant missing her paperwork because Cardona-Gonzalez stole them from her:

Cardona-Gonzalez is not an 'undocumented immigrant'--that would be Ms. Gutierrez, who had no legal documents since Cardona-Gonzalez stole them from her. Call Cardona-Gonzalez what she is: ILLEGAL--jumped the border and committed a crime.

'Undocumented' are people like Ms. Gutierrez, who committed no crimes and was simply missing paperwork.

Denver Bill gave his example of 'illegal vs undocumented' in post 1.6--I was corroborating his statement in the context of my own experience.

The really horrible thing is, no matter how long the prison term is - we are still paying to take care of this woman until she is released.

For a mugshot go to:

http://www.bustedmugshots.com/kansas/topeka/benita-cardona-gonzalez/66105601

lisa said:

Amanda, your story in no way relates to the article. Clearly, you did nothing wrong. This lady spent years lying, stealing and taking someone else's life away on purpose.

If you read my original post, this was what i said:

Cardona-Gonzalez is not an 'undocumented immigrant'--that would be Ms. Gutierrez, who had no legal documents since Cardona-Gonzalez stole them from her. Call Cardona-Gonzalez what she is: ILLEGAL--jumped the border and committed a crime.

'Undocumented' are people like Ms. Gutierrez, who committed no crimes and was simply missing paperwork.

And 'undocumented' like me. Denver Bill was explaining his definition of 'illegal' and 'undocumented'in post 1.6--I was restating his talking points from the framework of my own experience.

Chris said:

Whine me a river (as you usually do). "Undocumented" has absolutely with this woman; she was blatantly here Illegally

And if you read my original post at 1.4, you would know THAT WAS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID. Cardona-Gonzalez is illegal (undocumented AND committed a crime) and NBC News makes a mistake calling her an 'undocumented immigrant'.

Ms. Gutierrez is the 'undocumented immigrant'--an immigrant missing her paperwork--just like I was. And neither of us had committed crimes, yet were tagged as 'illegal'.

You constantly whine about "Undocumented" but care nothing about the damage they do....Tell me that these "Undocumented" bastards don't harm people.

First off, my condolences on the loss of your wife. it has to have been traumatic and destructive to your peace of mind during the grieving process and dealing with the paperwork and redtape had to have been frustrating and exhaustive.

Now:

The key to your whole post is that you believe illegal is the same as undocumented. And that is the misconception I'm trying to clear up with repeated posts on the subject highlighting my own situation.. Cardona-Gonzalez is illegal--she is undocumented AND she broke the law.

Ms. Gutierrez and I are undocumented. Neither one of us has done any damage to anyone, neither one of us has hurt anyone. Undocumenteds are people who are simply missing a piece of paper but have broken no laws.

The employees at the hospital were plainly ILLEGAL, because they broke the law and stole your wife's identity. Therefore, they were not undocumented, they were ILLEGAL. You have not been harmed/damaged by undocumenteds, you were harmed by ILLEGALS.

Amanda-2017567

denver bill:

I was an undocumented--adopted as an infant internationally, never told before my parents passed away in a car accident, eighteen years after my adoption USCIS finds they lost the adoption paper and declared me'illegal'when I couldn't give them a copy (since I'd never known I was adopted.) Then when they found out I was a stateless infant(abandoned at an international orphanage with no birth certificate, therefore no 'home country' to be deported to) they told me I'd remain in deportation until I gave them a copy of the adoption paper. It took me three years of writing letters to every courthouse in every state we'd ever lived in to find that paper.

I was never 'illegal'--I committed no crimes, was not brought here illegally. I was simply undocumented--missing a piece of paper.

Hay amanda, how many times are you going to CRY YOUR LAME STORY on newsvine....

You post this same story in every immigration article...and it is BULLSHlT.

Get over your POOR life and SAD story... you made this crap up along the way...and it does not even come close to being a ILLEGAL ALIEN.

Call yourself what you like...but stop calling illegal aliens what they are NOT. Your made up story is lame and weak sauce in a debate about this women stealing another women's identity.

Are you really going to defend this crime??????? With your weak-sauce story?

This is but only one instance where the Illegal alien was caught, I feel for the victim but this will and does continue everyday in America.
If you want to try to do something about any of this check out the link I have provided below, Please, this stuff needs to stop and our government has known about it for years and most of the people who are running our great nation do not care one bit. It isn't a democrat or republican issue its both! Neither side cares as it hasn't affected them personally.

Check out this site as they do everything they can to stop these illegals aliens and you can help as well if you would just go and check out the site. There is tons of info to be had there on the issues dealing with illegal aliens. (illegal immigrants for those that still don't get it)

https://www.numbersusa.com/content/

I'd like to hear from all those people who are on the side of the illegal aliens now? Where are you? I assume the cats got your tongue?

Problems like this seem so small until they happen to us, I have been fighting illegal aliens for years and we need all the help we can get to stop this and other crimes from happening form these people.
Mexico even helps their own people come to this country! Mexico isn't a friend to the USA.

Shosyn said:

Call yourself what you like...but stop calling illegal aliens what they are NOT. Your made up story is lame and weak sauce in a debate about this women stealing another women's identity.

Are you really going to defend this crime?

No, I'm not.

If you went back and read my original post at 1.4, my entire assertion throughout this thread has been that Cardona-Gonzalez should be deported, SHE IS ILLEGAL and has committed numerous crimes.

NBC News is mistaken in calling her an undocumented immigrant, SHE IS ILLEGAL.

'Undocumented immigrant' is Ms. Gutierrez, who is simply missing paperwork like I was.

Per my post at 1.4:

NBCNews:

Cardona-Gonzalez is not an 'undocumented immigrant'--that would be Ms. Gutierrez, who had no legal documents since Cardona-Gonzalez stole them from her. Call Cardona-Gonzalez what she is: ILLEGAL--jumped the border and committed a crime.

'Undocumented' are people like Ms. Gutierrez, who committed no crimes and was simply missing paperwork.

Identity theft by illegals or anyone else should be a felony and should be pursued and prosecuted by law enforcement. It should not have to fall on the shoulders of the victim as it does now... unless you are a wealthy person.

I've been posting about identity theft by illegals ever since I've been on the Vine and have been ridiculed and laughed at, being told it wasn't that big a problem and no big deal.

Well, even the Social Security Administration is suggesting that parents check with credit bureaus to see if their pre school children have credit histories. So get with it, parents. You may find that your babies in diapers have purchased homes, vehicles, boats... they may even have pasports and taken trips to foreign countries. Heck, they may even be on a "Do Not Fly" list.

Illegals were given a green light for identity theft when the government would raid businesses and not prosecute them for having given false and stolen SS numbers to secure jobs.

Liberals want to fine the owners of out business and let the illegals walk away to go down the street and hire on at another place, with no consequences for their lying asses and identity theft. What did they expect would be the outcome with no penalty for their crime?

The problem of identity theft has grown to monster proportions now. If amnesty were offered today, a great many of illegals wouldn't be able to take advantage of it because to do so would mess up the lives they have already built on stolen identities... jobs, tax returns, loans, bank accounts.

screminmimi

and Conservatives want to hire them for exploitation. Complain or comment, and you lose your job!

Nevertheless, the illegals should not be given a free pass for their crimes. And if the business owner has run their paperwork through E-Verify and it passes, that's all he can do.

The electronic system can only verify if the information you keyed into it is okay, it can't do a polygraph test on the person submitting the documents.

Amanda-2017567

NBC News is mistaken in calling her an undocumented immigrant, SHE IS ILLEGAL.

And here is the rub. You and yours (Liberals, Progressives, apologizes for the illegals, etc.) use the term universally when it suits your discussion. If you want to push the point that they are just "poor people wanting a better life" and "Crossed the border at great peril" to get here then you use the term "Undocumented Immigrant" and whine they have broken no laws except those of conscience. You argue that they have done nothing wrong except break a few misdemeanor laws. They've done nothing bigger than a speeding ticket, oh , boo, hoo for them.

First, they are not immigrants. In order to be an immigrant, they must follow the provisions starting with 8 USC § 1101 . Without following the rules, they are not Immigrants, they are aliens. it doesn't matter if they swam across themselves or if they were dragged kicking and screaming by parents or relatives, they are still aliens. By not following the title 8 statutes regarding permission to enter, they are not "undocumented", they are in the country "Illegally." That makes them "Illegal Aliens" not "Undocumented immigrants."

Chris said:

First, they are not immigrants. In order to be an immigrant, they must follow the provisions starting with 8 USC § 1101 . Without following the rules, they are not Immigrants, they are aliens. it doesn't matter if they swam across themselves or if they were dragged kicking and screaming by parents or relatives, they are still aliens. By not following the title 8 statutes regarding permission to enter, they are not "undocumented", they are in the country "Illegally." That makes them "Illegal Aliens" not "Undocumented immigrants."

And that's exactly what I said! Didn't you read any of my posts?

Ms. Gutierrez followed the law. It was her identity that was stolen, so that makes her an 'undocumented immigrant'.

Cardona-Gonzalez jumped the border and committed numerous crimes like stealing Gutierrez's identity. She is illegal.

And here is the rub. You and yours (Liberals, Progressives, apologizes for the illegals, etc.) use the term universally when it suits your discussion.

Uh uh. I have ALWAYS tried to point the distinction between illegal (undocumented AND committed a crime like jumping the border) and 'Undocumented'--here legally but missing a piece of paper. I have NEVER 'apologized' for the border jumpers--just trying to make things fair for undocumenteds like me and for those with special circumstances like children trafficked in as child sex slaves.

YOU are the one missing the point I'm trying to make here; Ms. Gutierrez is the undocumented immigrant because her paperwork was stolen, Cardona-Gonzalez is ILLEGAL because she jumped the border and committed a crime! You're the one making 'illegal' and 'undocumented' the same.

12 years where she can leech off taxpayer resources getting 3 hots and a cot? No thank you.

How about any time we find someone in the United States illegally, we just deport them? No more "anchor babies" either. Send their kids packing with 'em.

Because if we just deport them, they'll be back (with a new identity) in a couple of weeks doing the same damn thing.

Shreika:

You said "??? we ALL want to give our children a better life, but there is a certain way that things have to be done. And ruining someone's elses life to get that is VERY UNFAIR".

The illegal Mexican citizen ruined the other ladies life. IMHO she should have to pay restitution to the other lady as well as receive jail and be deported with her kids back to Mexico.

There is something else that bothers me, this woman had help. She did not just happen to do this all by herself. So, who was helping her? She must have stayed with someone in the beginning, who helped her figure out the system? Notice the article doesn't mention anything about how she was able to do this.Why the system failed to catch her at any number of points and how it has taken steps to improve since then.

Not only does this send the wrong message to every other illegal immigrant, it also sends another message. Just go for a plea deal, that you won't fight your extradition. Oh for Pete's sake, are our own lawyers in the government so worried they were going to lose that charge, that they were willing to give her a plea deal? Come on! How stupid do we Americans look to them? Why not make her help pay back some of what she took from taxpayers, like doing community work that is needed, instead of paying someone else to do it? Surely she can work eight hours a day still.

Now we get to face how many more aliens who believe they can just push us around, take what they want, don't have to fear the police, Social Security Office, and can steal any services we provide. Let's just paint a big sign all across our southern border, "FREE SERVICES, ALL WELCOME NO REAL CONSEQUENCES!

Our President has no real backbone for enforcing anything in this area.Neither does California, on the brink of financial collapse in so many cities. Then again, since whites are the minority, Hispanics the majority, maybe Mexico is planning on unofficially calling it their newest acquisition. Either way, I got a bad feeling, we will be seeing a lot more illegals-oops. "undocumented" folks. It's not politically correct these days to use the I or A word. I do believe the flood waters will just be increasing.Because too many in high places won't do their jobs. Why? Simple, they have another agenda in mind. And it pays too much, lining their pockets, to do the right thing for Americans. Doing the right for illegals would cost them their jobs I suspect. If this is what happens to just one person, for the ruining of a woman's life for so long, then what is the real cost, which is happening to so many other Americans, victims of more identify theft. I hardly believe our government cares that much, judging here

She won't do more than 3 months before La Raza gets her out and makes America feel guilty for 'harassing" this "poor victim of birth in MX". She will probably be granted citizenship, lost back pay, a child's college fund, etc

Am I being facetious??? ... not so much. Stay tuned.

agreed ST

You can bet that if you and I stole someone identity to this extent we would pay very dearly with jail time and restitution for the crime. There would also be a civil suit for damages. You get a slap on the wrist if you are an illegal and pay up the ying yang if you are an American Citizen. These illegal’s have the government wrapped around their little fingers.

SSA cannot get themselves out of the proverbial brown paper bag. They have sufficient funding. They just do not have people who actually care to do their jobs well. We had an incident over my mother in law's last monthly payment that turned into a several year ordeal because they do not think.

In another twist, Gutierrez was forced to file her federal income tax forms using a special identification number usually reserved for illegal immigrants.

it would seem their properly funded enough to create a dept for illegals in the first place.

The government understands that they make good little democrats.

Sccoter.... you do understand that under the Obama administration, more illegal immigrants have been deported in 4 years than in the 8 years of the Bush administration. Go look it up!

What do Ronald Reagan, Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, and Obama all have in common? None of them really care about illegal immigrants. Why? Illegal immigrants benefit BOTH sides.

If you want to say that the U.S. government has never really done anything to effectively stop illegal immigration, I'm right there beside you. But to try to blame either political party for this intentional oversight is LAUGHABLE.

Say what you want about Obama and his administration... currently his administration is deporting illegals at a rate of 2 to 1 compared to George Bush.

NEITHER PARTY will ever really work to end illegal immigration as long as there's money to be made.

If the government couldn't determine who the real illegal alien was in this scenario, how the freaking hell do you think they could accurately count the number of illegal aliens who were deported?

Give me a damn break!

This particular illegal alien stayed long enough to drop two anchor babies! Let's do it this way... count the number his administration claims to have deported versus the number of anchor babies they left behind to be reunited with who are sucking up social services as dependents of the US taxpayer.

And how many of those deported have been deported more than once?

Give us those numbers. For instance, the parents of the 14 year old killer doing three years in a Mexican prison for beheading seven people for a cartel, and who will be released to the US in less than two years, were deported five times. He has three sisters living with an aunt here in the US who managed to be dropped, like him, as anchor babies during their one of their mom's illegal stays.

The mom is currently doing time for a felony in a US prison and is supposed to be deported...again... when she is released. The dad was deported... again... when Mexico broke the story that a "US citizen" was a young killer. (He has dual citizenship but they let us claim him.)

Harold - the current adminstration is using the number of people turned back at the border as people deported. That is why the numbers are so much higher. If they are doing so much better than any other president why did Obama say that he wasn't going to deport poeple who had no prior criminal history? Isn't coming here illegally criminal history?

I would argue that yes, our immigration laws are being enforced. Cardona-Gonzalez will be deported after she completes her sentence--depending on the circumstances her children may or may not go with her.

I will agree that those who came into this country illegally should be deported, but I don't agree that those who came here legally should automatically be deported after committing any sort of crime. I don't think it would be fair to deport a legal immigrant for a speeding ticket acquired while rushing a pregnant wife to the hospital, for instance. It would have to be decided on a case-by case basis.

I don't care one bit about the imaginary scenario you wrote, I am disturbed that the real case of identity theft results in only 18 months imprisonment. She got to steal, forge, fake, lie, bear children and ruin another person's life for at least 12 years. For committing such crimes for so long she basically gets off with little real consequences. 18 months and deportation in exchange for a guilty plea to reduced charges is not enough. She should have been forced to expose everyone and everthing that helped her and others like her to get away with such fraud for so long. She can get out of jail and deported only after the co-conspirators have been arrested and convicted...

Amanda,A speeding ticket is a misdemeanor and I don't view that as a crime.I am referring to people who come here legally,commit a felon and have not acquired U.S. citizenship.I hope I cleared up my comments for you. NB820-001,I am in total agreement with you on this.

Speeding tickets aren't "crimes." They are infractions and nobody (who is here legally) should be deported for something like that.

However, any misdemeanor of felony should result in deportation.

For committing such crimes for so long she basically gets off with little real consequences.

C'mon now. Being deported with your children (who were born here) is a real consequence. I understand your frustration, but don't let it cloud your judgement.

She wasn't given a suspended sentence. She will sit in jail for months without her children and then she'll be deported. It may not be the extreme penalty that many seek, but it is a "real consequence".

NB:

And how would she be 'forced' to give up her co-conspirators? Torture just makes the person being tortured say anything they think the torturer wants to hear to make the torture stop. Should we do what Sam Jackson's character did at the end of the movie 'Unbreakable', shooting the terrorist's wife and preparing to shoot the kids if the guy doesn't talk? Should we bring her children in front of her and threaten to shoot them if she doesn't tell us what we want to know? Who's to say she's going to tell the truth?

Now, for anyone advocating that anyone here legally should be deported after committing a crime:

Mr. Bassily Nakoula was the one who produced the anti-Muslim film. Years ago he stole people's SS cards/numbers and identity, set up fraudulent accounts and stole thousands of dollars through that scheme. He came here legally from Egypt, became a citizen, was arrested for this identity theft and went to federal prison. When he got out he hatched this scheme to make the anti-Muslim film, violated the terms of his parole/probation to do so (no internet access, not to upload any content without prior approval from probation authorities, not to lie, commit fraud, use aliases or misrepresent himself.) Yet when the film he made sparked protests overseas, and this alerted the government to his intentional violation of his probation/parole terms and resulted in him getting sent back to jail, people were all over the message boards saying he shouldn't have gone to jail.

And I don't understand this. Me, I want him deported--I believe he should have been deported back when he committed the original identity theft. But there were a lot of people who were advocating for his release.

So what do you think? Are you with me in thinking he should be deported, or should he be allowed to go free even after violating his parole/probation?

Is that how Unbreakable ended? I thought Sam Jackson turned out to be the bad guy and Bruce Willis put him in jail?

18 is the MAX number...she will be out in a month.

If she were a real US Citizen then she would have been eligible for a stiffer sentence and a huge penalty by the IRS, not to mention she would have been found guilty of fraud and probably sentence to life in prison with Bernie Madoff!

ya missed 999 as in 19.999.999 and that's a Conservative number.