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Updated at 11:21 p.m. ET: After two days of presenting evidence against accused Aurora theater shooter James Holmes, the prosecution prepared to interview a detective, its final witness, on Wednesday, according to the Denver Post. The defense may then set forth its case.
Among the more vivid accounts in Tuesday's testimony was the description of how Holmes booby-trapped his home, hoping to distract officers from the theater shooting.
Holmes used a thermos, frying pan, remote-control car and volatile chemicals to rig his apartment to blow up during the Aurora theater massacre, an FBI agent testified Tuesday.
On the stand for a preliminary hearing, bomb technician Garret Gumbinner described the diabolical contraptions authorities found when they went to the grad-school dropout’s Colorado apartment.
There was a trip-wire leading from the door to a thermos filled with glycerine that was perched over a frying pan filled with potassium permanganate, Gumbinner said.
If they combined, there would be a spark that would set off a chain-reaction: fast-moving flames and a series of explosions as homemade devices scattered around the apartment ignited.
Thomas Cooper / Getty Images file
Police break the window of the apartment of of James Holmes, the suspect of in the Aurora, Colo., movie theater shooting on July 20.
On top of the fridge was a remote-controlled “pyrotechnic” box filled with 6-inch fireworks shells. Holmes left the remote for it outside, in a trash bag with a toy car and a boom box on a timer, the agent said.
His fantasy was that someone on the street would hear the music, open the bag, decide to play with the car, fiddle with the remote and detonate the explosives, Gumbinner said.
In all, there were more than a dozen explosive devices in his apartment loaded with napalm, smokeless powder and live ammunition. Carpets were soaked with oil and gasoline to fuel any blast.
His computer was set to play loud music at a designated time. He was hoping “someone would call the police and that the police would respond to his apartment,” Gumbinner said.
"He said he rigged his apartment to explode or catch fire in order to divert police resources to his apartment,” Gumbinner said, recounting an interview with Holmes.
No one played with the toy car or banged on the door, though. And when Holmes was arrested outside the Century 16 multiplex – after allegedly killing a dozen people and wounding 58 – he quickly told police about his traps.
The scope of the bizarre setup was revealed during the second day of a hearing to determine whether there is enough evidence to put the neuroscience scholar on trial for first-degree murder.
A parade of law-enforcement officials took the stand to describe Holmes’ painstaking preparations and the horrific aftermath of the July 20 shooting at the Century 16 multiplex – but there was no mention of motive.
The picture they presented was of a methodical killer who left nothing to chance and foreshadowed his own fate in a question posted to two online dating-service profiles: “Will you visit me in prison?”
Courtesy the family via KUSA
Veronica Moser-Sullivan, in an undated family photo.
Holmes bought his ticket, through Fandango, 12 days before the opening of the Batman flick “The Dark Knight Rises,” police testified, though it emerged that he was supposed to see it in Theater No. 8, not No. 9 where the ambush took place.
With so much evidence against their client, Holmes’ legal team is expected to mount an insanity defense, and his attorneys tried to highlight his state of mind at several points during the day’s testimony.
They questioned Aurora Police Department Detective Craig Appel about why Holmes wasn’t tested for drugs or alcohol even though his pupils were hugely dilated and he acted strangely after his arrest.
'Help me!': Teen's 911 call played at Holmes hearing
Appel told the court that police had placed paper bags over Holmes’ hands to preserve gunpowder residue, and he pretended they were puppets. He also ripped a staple out of a table and tried to stick it in an electrical socket.
Earlier, the defense asked an agent from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms whether there is any legal process in Colorado to stop a “severely mentally ill” person from buying guns or ammunition.
The agent had just ticked off the items Holmes legally purchased in the two months before the rampage, including two handguns, a shotgun, a rifle, more than 6,200 rounds of ammunition, body armor, chemicals, fireworks and practice targets.
Holmes – wearing a beard and jail jumpsuit and looking disheveled – showed little reaction to any of the testimony.
He simply stared straight ahead when prosecutors played a heart-breaking 911 tape of a 13-year-old girl pleading for help for her mortally wounded 6-year-old cousin, Veronica Moser-Sullivan.
Veronica’s father, Ian Sullivan, wept with his eyes closed as he listened for four long minutes to the chaos that marked his daughter’s final moments.
The day’s proceedings ended with Sgt. Matthew Fyles reading a grim catalog: the name of every person wounded and the nature of their injury. When he got to Ashley Moser – who suffered a miscarriage, was paralyzed and lost her daughter, Veronica – he choked up.
Wednesday is scheduled to start with the prosecution calling a detective as its final witness, according to the Denver Post. The defense could then call its own witnesses.
NBC News’ Mike Taibbi and KUSA contributed to this report.
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Now this is news...
Next Headline "Police: James Holmes sneezed twice before entering the theater"
STOP making him a household name with info we don't really need at this moment.
What, you don't want to hear how he could have just as easily used a bomb in that theatre if he had not had access to a gun?
But having the access to an assault rifle he was able to inflict mass damage with accuracy according to the following: “they heard two 911 calls from the theater as the chaos unfolded – including one in which 33 shots could
be heard in 27 seconds"
It's not so much gun laws that will stop violence, it is people... Hopefully, whatever was bothering him, he may become at peace with. I think by showing our compassion to him though, others will feel compassion, and this type of crime will not happen again. I always say, forgiviness is the road to healing, and we should lead by example. This is something we can all rise above, and show others that walk down a similar dark trail that there is light in all of us that can be shared with them. Only that will stop this from happening again.
Chris hopefully he will be hanging by his NECK real soon..... Just another SCUM BAG that deserves Capital Punishment.....
I'm still wondering why his booby-trap(s) were so amateurish. I read somewhere that he was a decent student, so I'd think he would be able to manufacture something akin IED's that would have the ability to take many more lives.
An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind. Hanging him will solve nothing. Won't bring back lives lost, only cost one more life. Food for thought.
Best to not be to harsh
Come on...now thermos's, frying pans, remote-control cars and volatile chemicals will be next on the "to be banned" list.
Please don't treat this like the typical killer and extend trials for years and then give him a ticket out by buying the insanity plea. Even if he is insane, he needs to die for killing all of those people and children! Waht if it was your kid?
I think he was going for the Joker theme.
I can see we have people here who DO NOT know much about weapons!
First of all an actual "assault rifle" is selectable and able to fire semi automatic AND either fully automatic or a three round burst! A civilian AR15/M4 is ONLY able to fire semi automatic (one round per trigger pull) therefore it IS NOT an "assault rifle"!
Second, with a civillian AR15/M4 it is highly unlikely to fire 33 rounds in 27 seconds! First you would need more than a 30 round magazine! Doubt me? Go try it yourself! Two shooters anyone (like several wittnesses described)? DUH! And please don't bring up "quick fire systems", etc. that are highly in-effective!
Let's not even get into the "Boobytraps"! Former US Army Engineer trained in "Boobytraps" here!
Most of you will believe anything the Controlled Kosher media tells you! Think rationally FOR ONCE people!
US Army Vet
Marc C. Daniele
Just another article to make me want him DEAD....once convicted should be LAW you get 1 year only to appeal, if no change your history
So WHY weren't Mental Health Issues addressed THEN?? Perhaps the same reason they are not addressed today?
"Its so unfair to the mentally ill"???
His MOTHER knew he was mentally ill, his DOCTOR knew he was mentally ill...
and NO ONE did anything about it!
US Army Vet.....Thank you the truth about the weapon.
Semper Fi
Actualy Chris150 he can beforgiven and sent to his dear fluffy lord to ask for forgiveness and all will be wel in the world, he deserves the same fate as the poor people who's lives he took.
And No US Army Vet 44..... People do not want to think for themselves they would rather run with the scare tactics the Anti people push, it is ok for them to dictate what others should have , but listen to them scream when you try to limit anything they want.
But if we ban guns because they kill maybe we should also ban all Automobiles since they kill far more every year, through negligence and drunk drivers and people with road rage.
What are you smoking and why aren't you sharing?
So...you think society should be more forgiving when it comes to the likes of Holmes, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy... and on...and on....? All that syrupy sweetness will not heal, reform, rehabilitate or in any way, shape or form, change a serial/spree killer. They are animals that have to be put down just like any other mad dog.
Thank you U.S. Army Vet for the primer in firearms. I am a U.S. Marine Vet. As a civilian, prior to my service, I had never once owned, held or fired so much as a BB Gun. Nothing against them, just didn't happen. Once I was exposed to semi automatic rifles one of the first thing that came to my mind was, "Are you kidding??? ANYONE can own one of these???" That was back in 1972. I love the "... in case the government comes charging up the cul de sac I'll pull out the trusty AR and stop 'em in their tracks!!!" Seriously? Really? Now whose the novice who doesn't have a clue? Then there's those who keep them handy, dandy and loaded within arms reach of the kids. Oh yeah, that's what the framers had in mind. Someone bullies your kid at school, he grabs the AR and it's off to the cafeteria to make some headlines. I'm all for the second Amendment but somewhere along the line a little common sense might come in handy. When the 2nd Amendment was written the good guys had single shot powder loaded muskets as did the bad guys. It would take a month and a half to fire off 35 rounds and odds are you'd miss 99% of the time. They had no idea that (A) "we the people" would have access to weapons that would enable a single individual to fire off more rounds in 5 minutes than were fired during the entire Battle of Bunkerhill and that (B) "we the people" would include hundreds of thousands of bull-headed, sociopathic, Jodie Foster fixated, fame seeking blockheads.
When someone buys so many assault weapons and so much ammo, AT ONE TIME, wouldn't that be kind of suspicious??? Wouldn't that be the kind of thing to alert police about??? Just wondering.
Actually BS even if they had firearms capable back then they would still have written it into the constitution. And They were a heck of a lot more accurate then your giving them credit for, most country folk used Pennsyvania Long Rifles key term here is "rifle" they were not smooth bores like the army used they fired maybe 2 rounds a minute compared to the 3 rounds a minute of a smooth bore musket, but they were deadly accurate as you can read if youstudy the likes of George Rogers Clark and his troops , or the Green Mountain Boys. These were not the boys who stood in line and tried to shoot it out toe to toe with the British Regulars they sat back and sniped the Officers and NCO's trying to throw the British lines into Chaos.
And your also way out of line with "firing in 5 minutes what was fired totally at the Battle of "Bunker Hill" which is really Breeds Hill.
And please do not do like the papers and other anti's and try to ban guns . because there are people in our world who are mentally ill or not right in their head. Instead blame the people who are not properly treating the illness or are ignoreing the fact they are ill. It is ok to take certain rights away from those people who are not of sound mind and judgement to use those rights, But if those mentally ill people still find a way to break those rules and that includes getting a gun through illegal or legal means punish that ill person, for the crimes he knowingly commited and try the person who provided said means if he did it knowing the person was not allowed to have them. But do not take away the rights of those who are just minding their own bussiness.
By the thought of banning guns so the mentally ill can not commit crimes with them you may as well ban cars for the same reason, and if we let them plead not guilty by reason of being mentally ill, why convict a drunk driver, he was not in his right mind either at the time. So by the same thought he was "temporarilly insane"
BSTheClown
What you fail to realize about the Second Ammendment is that it is also meant for "We The People" to have access to the same types of weapons (almost, non-automatic firearms) as the government to prevent/stop Tyranny! 2012 NDAA, UN-patriot act, etc., spy drones over the US, or BILLIONS of "Hollowpoint" ammo bought by DHS/Gov. ring ANY bells?
As an very good example of what happens to an UNARMED population take a look at what happened when the jewish Bolsheviks/Communists (yes they were jewish, FACT) took over Russia in 1917! It resulted in between 40 to 70 MILLION people murdered (MOSTLY Christians)! There are many other examples!
Let's also not forget that Hollywood's CONSTANT violence, and SSRI's contribute BIG TIME to violence in the USA! But then again we don't talk about that now do we?
US Army Vet
Marc C. Daniele
Excuse me, so many weapons that shoot bullets.
Kjgal, that is not a red flag in and off itself, a competitive shooter may go through a couple thousand rounds or more every week just to stay in top form as a shooter , so you would want him reported to the police every time he bought ammo?
Yea, guess the riffles jamed a lot, even though they shot straight, back then. The British perfered the burst of bullets when twenty men fired at once. We proved deadly in hit and run attacks, but their approach worked better on the battlefield attacks.
The next time I hear about this coward, he better not have a pulse.
Actually the rifles did not jam much, it took longer to fire a rifle because of the "rifleing in the barrel which imparted the spin to the ball making it more accurate. It had to fit very tight so gasses did not escape and so that made it harder to push down the barrel, smooth bore were easier to load because the fit was not as good.
And the british just had more guts then others to stand there and soak up the bullets fight of that kind was very bloody and the attrition could be very high.
And if you notice we won and they lost so whose tactics were better?
I agree with you on this. During terrorist countermeasure training one of the first things taught is to minimize what the terrorist are doing, and don't publicize it becuase it gives them what they want which is publicity, but more importantly it gives copycats something to shoot for as in " I can out do that" .
The hit and run tactic, along with gain support from their enemy, along with hold out long enough that support for the war fades in their homeland. I never said the US approach was not better. It worked just as well when Vietnam did it to us, many years later.
I still thought I read the riffles jammed, and our troops often had to bang the bullets down with a hammer, (at least that is what I read, for I was not there at the time) Oh well, different sourses give different details. The British did well fighting elsewhere at the time.
upside down american flag as an avatar...you should be ashamed of yourself.
MarkLepew pasted:
'But having the access to an assault rifle he was able to inflict mass damage with accuracy according to the following: “they heard two 911 calls from the theater as the chaos unfolded – including one in which 33 shots could be heard in 27 seconds"'
First off, as explained by others above, it was NOT an assault rifle, it was a plain semi-auto rifle, with a plastic stock and colored black, so it was scary looking.
Second, with 5 speedloaders handy, I can easily fire 33 rounds from my revolver in 27 seconds, but I practice, so I'm pretty fast with a speedloader.
Third, he had a mass of people densely packed into in a small area, given the population density in a movie theater, pointing at the group and firing as quickly as possible will almost guarantee a hit on every shot, so accuracy is not an issue, it's just a red herring by the article's author.
LN1958362 Why should he be ashamed of himself for useing it as an avatar? The Upside down flag is flown as a sign of distress, so maybe he feels like his ife, or in his opinion the country or thw world is in distress? Who are you to tell him he is wrong? I may not even agree with him for why he is doing it, but it does not change the fact it is his right to do it. Paid for by my service and every other vetrans service out there......even if none of them agree with him either.
US Army Vet,
First off, thank you for your service. I will forever be in debt to you and other service men and women.
I preface this by saying that I am not an expert on any gun. I also am against banning of any weapons and/or limitations of hardware; IE round limits, etc. As far as making a weapon from semi to fully auto, from what I understand, it's not too difficult.
I present to you:
Innkeeper,
Thanks for the backup!
Most people DO NOT know what an upside down flag (Distressed Flag) means! And yes I do feel this country is in "Distress"!
A TREASONOUS government that DOES NOT represent "We, The People", The US Constitution, or US interests for that matter, fighting wars for FALSE reasons all over the globe, an UN-Constitutional PRIVATELY OWNED Federal Reserve System with it's enforcer the IRS, Corporations being classified as "Citizens", Veterans being labled as possible Lone Wolf Terrorist as well as NOT being taken care of as promised, etc., etc., etc.!
Yet I should be ashamed! NOT!
US Army Vet
Marc C. Daniele
Lol, I don't think they know what it means since it really hasn't been too useful since they days of the forts. It's like saying I'll be back in a fortnight, which most people would not know how long that is. Yea, the radio has made flying the flag upside down to call for help not needed in most cases. Plus, flying the flag upside down would tell the attacking force that you feel you're about beat in the fight.
Thomas Alexander,
Your welcome, but know I did not do anything to deserve your debt. I love my Represenative Republic! I think most veterans just want to be respected, war veteran or not! They also want to know that what they attempted to do was for a REAL REASON (say in actual defense of their country), which most do not see, at least for the past 50 yrs or so! Examples- Vietnam, and let's say WTC Building 7 (CONTROLLED DEMOLITION) from 9/11! Hope you understand.
As for making a weapong fully automatic, a civilian AR15/M4 is hard to make fully auto. It takes drilling, tapping and parts that are illegal to own, even when not installed, if you already own an AR15/M4.
Now an AK47 is another story, but this IS NOT the weapon that were are now being BRAINWASHED into believing is so evil!
I hope this helps. I am no expert, but I do have some knowledge. More than many here it seems!
US Army Vet
Marc C. Daniele
Glad to know that when push came to shove and the government became oppressive, we still have military on our side. @US Army Vet
US Army Vet,
First, thank you for your service!
A whole of people have your back on all of the issues you wrote about.
I will add, Timothy McVeigh did not use a gun.
jpag,
Thank you!
I will say this, when you have been personally screwed by your "government"/VA System, and can prove it, yet receive NO HELP from ANYONE like I have you kinda learn to question everything! The reason I say this is in response to your comment on McVeigh.
I have done a little research on the Okl. City Bombing, and let me just say, we are being lied to about this also!
As an Engineer in the US Army that worked with explosives and boobytraps I think I can say with confidence that there was more than just a "truck bomb" used in this "event"! It was even reported about in the news, then hushed up!
Don't take this wrong, but how did McVeigh get bombs INSIDE the building? Kind of like WTC Building 7's clear cut CONTROLLED DEMOLITION from 9/11 ("Assemetrical fires" CAN NOT cause a semetrical collapse, PERIOD, as claimed by NIST)! Sorry about my spelling.
US Army Vet
Marc C. Daniele
To all you Vet's in here. First Thanks for your service. But when it comes to the second amendment, You need to read it for yourself. A amendment to the Constitution are made to keep up with the times. The Second amendment is what like 200 years old. Here are the facts. We did not have a standing army, National guard, Navy, Or Air force. In short we were a citizen army. When we were not at war, the army went back to farming or what ever they did. The right to bear arms was not to over through out government, it was to fight against England. Also much of the country was still a wilderness, we need out rifles to hunt game, Protect ourselves from Bears and Lions and such, and yes against bad people. Fast forward to day. Yes we still use guns to hunt, I do. I use my many guns to hunt, and if someone tried to break into my home or tries to do harm to my family, That gun is for the time from the time of a threat until the police get there. And its just as likely as not, the police will find a dead body of the intruder, when they get there. But for me, My 12 gauge, my 30-30, my 22m rifle my 20 gauge will do the job. Maybe in Tx on the boarder you need a Ar-15 and I have no problem with that. but other then that WE THE PEOPLE do not need AR-15 and alike. Back to the second Amendment. We now have a standing army, National Guard, nave and air force. We have township, County, state and several federal police dept.'s. Yes we still have bears, lions and bad people. For the most part our hunting guns well protect us if needed. The way you guys want to say it, People can have RPG's Tanks and any other fire power they want. That's not what the 2nd amendment said.
I would really hate to break the news to anti-gun fanatics, but 2 hand guns can fire more than 40 rounds in 20 seconds, just fire alternating. Rifle takes 2 hands and mobility is less limited.
Let's not forget, it only takes 2 seconds to detonate a bomb and you would have 100% casualties.
The fact that he may, very well be mentally ill SHOULD be the point. The fact that he was able to buy guns, buy ammo, buy chemicals for elaborate explosives, buy appropriate gear and map it all out... all under the nose of Homeland Security, should be a major red flag.
Let's make sure you fully understand, he had Napalm rigged to explode... folks, this is not legal to possess in the USA. So he went to extremes to get it.
Laws forbidding citizens never stop criminals, unless they happen to get caught in possession.
Comparison, Iodine is a major chemical used in Crack Cocaine. It's also a major chemical used in explosives.... after OK City bombing, it was suppose to be regulated... yet illegal drug dealers get around it.
So they only people you will be restricting is those that respect laws and human lives, meaning any ban would be against the sanctity of human life, period.
Statistically, controlling firearms DOES reduce the number of fire arm crimes, but it also increases the other forms of violent crimes. Making it inconvienant for a criminal does not deter them, never has, never will.
Just look at the Prohibition Era, people risked their own life and limbs just to have a drink. And because of it, the criminal element actually gained strength, especially using fully auto weapons that were already deemed illegal (and still are today!).
Which doesn't stop gang members who have been found in possesion of already banned weapons.
he is and was a anti-social, nut, he is and was a hostile . angry, nut case, he was a ows member, anti American, know it all; who flunked out of college graduate school, and decided to take revenge on society, the only thing to do with him is kill the SOB.
At Chuck, the 1st Amendment was written at the same time as the 2nd Amendment, so I guess it needs to be updated, too.
As for your analogy, I really suggest what the writers actually wrote and why, regarding the subject. It was meant to transcend time. It had nothing to do with the standing army (though kind of odd that our first President was a General)....
The fact that the bosses of the country is "We, The People", not the government, we are to protect our rights, and eminent threat IS a deterent, period.
As for the AR-15, you do understand their is "sport shooting"? You know competetitions...
Back up your timeline, the AR-15 was banned on the Brady Act... guess what, number of deaths from one did not drop. In fact, the total number of homcides, as reported by the FBI have decreased in the last 9 years.
What has changed is the number of suicides. Also the number of individuals on medically percribed chemicals that have been linked to almost every case, like this. Mental Illness has been the major point, not they used.
Like in Conneticut, where after the fact, they finally figured out the AR-15 was left in the car, and the boy walked the school with 4 hand guns, 2 at a time, firing rounds quicker than the AR-15 fired alone.
Or the fact, that a derranged mind can build an explosive device and set it off, with far more casualties...
NOW THAT'S ALARMING!
Seriously, the fact he chose to go with the more elaborate firearms, instead of the quick 2 second bomb is baffling! It also has me scratching my head.
Think about it... He has a superior knowledge based in chemistry and physics. That is how he chose the elaborate death trap at home, Yet, he lugged 1 rifle, 1 shot gun, couple pistols, smoke bombs and riot gear to the theatre, went to major steps to get the gear in the building (note: illegal to bring a gun into the building, so laws did nothing). Then went through the long process of the nights events...
It would have taken 25% the work to do 300% more damage (Bomb would have extended beyond the immediate area, along with structural damage). Thing is, he would have known this!
He didn't.
ljstauth,
Good points, but begs the question was there another "agenda" here (gun control/ban?), as with Sandyhook, which by the way, I have seen no actual proof that it even took place.
Now before you or anyone else goes off on me for this, THINK RATIONALLY, NOT EMOTIONALLY! Has ANY of you seen ANY actual proof of this latest "shooting", ie: CCTV Video's, crime scene photos, bodies, etc.?
US Army Vet
Marc C. Daniele
DOCJT,
And yet they were there!
A "truck bomb" DID NOT do all the damage to this building! Ask a Demolitions Expert! I am not an "expert", but do have working knowledge of explosives and their effects from the Army (Eng.).
And that's not to mention the news, and witnesses reported more bombs inside the building after the first explosion/s, and the FBI even moved people away to "disarm" them (up to three more bombs)! Please check the news reports, etc.!
Oh, let's not forget that just like 9/11, etc. the FBI immediately seized ALL CCTV Video, and WILL NOT show it! That in itself makes the whole "event" very questionable.
Even-though it lacks some very important details, here's a good source "A Noble Lie, Oklahoma City 1995" put out by Free Mind Films.
US Army Vet
Marc C. Daniele
Was wodering when US Army Vet 4558908 showed his true colors (aka Nut Job).
You give being a veteran a bad name! Stop posting what you don't know about... "working knowledge of explosives..." yeah, right.
I was on your side, kinda, until you started the whole "the VA f'd me" and that whole conspiricy theory...
Gulf War Vet,
1985-1993 US Army Cavalry
I get what you're saying, but showing forgiveness is easier when it doesn't involve a family member.
On a few subjects:
1) The SCOTUS has ruled that flying the flag "in distress", when the union is secure, is the same as yelling "fire" in a crowded theater, when there is no fire. Which has been ruled the same as dialing 911, when there is no emergency. They have NOT ruled on a digital icon of the "distress flag". US-Army-Vet is free to use it as he pleases. Just as this vet thinks he is an ass for doing so.
2) Cars are made for transportation, and are ineffective for homicide. They ARE effective at promoting Darwin awards. Sadly, many innocent people ARE killed by cars, and several Darwin candidates escape their deserved fate. But, there is NO comparison of cars and firearms to commit MURDER! Yet, some idiots have tried, and few have succeeded. The comparison is ludacris.
3) Effective bombs are difficult to procure or create. Most include an artillery shell or other explosive to level their destruction. Reference the IED's of the last few wars. Likewise, the process required to make a large bomb is very difficult. McVeigh had to make his "ampho explosive" from chemicals that were not that easy to obtain (farmers excluded). AND, the government has been closely monitoring them ever since (and somewhat before) the Oklahoma City bombing. (He also had a truck, barrels, help, ect..) He didn't just grab the guns and ammo from his mothers closet!
Blah blah blah, guns....... Blah blah blah Army veterans..... Blah blah blah, hypothetical far fetched scenario's......
We need to go back to a sword and shield style of combat. I would get way more satisfaction killing someone with a giant blade, than a gun.
KenN,
Firstoff, as explained by others above, it was NOT an assault rifle, it was a plain semi-auto rifle, with a plastic stock and colored black, so it was scary looking.
A military grade M-16 also has the capability to fire in a semi-automatic mode along with 3 shot burse suppressors and fully automatic. The ability to fire in those modes does not make the determination of it being an assault rifle. In fact, if you have ever served in the military, you would know that you are encouraged to fire the weapon in semi-automatic mode and train your shots in tight groups. This is done for two reasons accuracy and ammo conservation. I’m surprised you don’t know that.
Second,with 5 speed loaders handy, I can easily fire 33 rounds from my revolver in 27 seconds, but I practice, so I'm pretty fast with a speed loader.
I very much doubt you could aim as accurately as someone who doesn’t have to take time to reload their weapon 5 times, despite being "pretty fast".
Third, he had a mass of people densely packed into in a small area, given the population density in a movie theater, pointing at the group and firing as quickly as possible will almost guarantee a hit on every shot, so accuracy is not an issue, it's just a red herring by the article's author.
I find your post above to reflect your absolute ignorance of the subject, I do however find that your self-professed efficiency in reloading and being able to hit targets on every shot rather boastful..........and creepy.
CHuck2111043: I would like to make a couple points to you in which your interpretation is wrong, I speak to you as a Vetran of both the Regular Army and the national Guard, I have 2 tours in the middle east and tours both in Europe and the ROK. I am Currently in school to become a Teacher majoring in History, so I have to study a lot of both History and Gov't including both the Constitution and the Articles of Confederacy which preceded it. I also had to study those as well as the original set up of state militias and the COngressional act which set up the current National Guard.
The 2nd Amendment was not set to fight England, it was in fact written by our founding fathers as a balance for the people so that Gov't could not become over bearing and oppressive, as they saw the Gov't of England when they decided to break relations and seek independence. Which they did only b/c they were ignored by their gov't and in fact treated worse then many other parts of the empire, so in that regards oppressive.
If a Gov't in any country choose to oppress it's people they do it by disarming the people, who can then not bring them to task, and the idea that there is an Army, NG, and multiple levels of Law enforcement to keep that from happening, again you would be wrong, all of them answer to the Gov't , whom they take oaths to support. I am not telling you our Gov't is planning to do this, but you can look at world history and current events to see all I say is true. Look at Germanyin the 30's, Russia in the late teens, Iraq, Iran, Pol Pot, China in the 30's and 40's, and South American countries, many who found freedom as we did, and who today have lost their freedoms to gov't who have suppressed them and taken away their options to control their oppression.
And I and many other veterans and non vets use AR's to shoot competitively, which is something I can not do with my 30-30, or my 12 gauge, except I can use that in the 3 gun competition. But all the Anti gun people need to do is look at places where gun control is strict, england, where they still have shootings in schools despite the ultra strict gun laws, Mexico which has the strictest gun laws in the world , has the highest murder rate, in both these and the other countries, the criminals and evil doers do not really care what the laws are they do what they want, it is just like the pad lock on your shed, a lock only keeps the honest people out, and for them you do not really need it.
MarkLepew:
A military grade M-16 also has the capability to fire in a semi-automatic mode along with 3 shot burse suppressors and fully automatic. The ability to fire in those modes does not make the determination of it being an assault rifle. In fact, if you have ever served in the military, you would know that you are encouraged to fire the weapon in semi-automatic mode and train your shots in tight groups. This is done for two reasons accuracy and ammo conservation. I’m surprised you don’t know that.
OK, thank you your attempt, but the ability fire in full auto mode DOES define an assault rifle.
Second,with 5 speed loaders handy, I can easily fire 33 rounds from my revolver in 27 seconds, but I practice, so I'm pretty fast with a speed loader.
I very much doubt you could aim as accurately as someone who doesn’t have to take time to reload their weapon 5 times, despite being "pretty fast".
As I explained in my previous post, a movie theater provides a "target rich" environment, with potential victims sitting very close together, so the "accuracy" comment of the article becomes a moot point. This was my point about the author of the article talking about aimed accuracy, with a crowd sitting shoulder to shoulder, accuracy is immaterial.
Third, he had a mass of people densely packed into in a small area, given the population density in a movie theater, pointing at the group and firing as quickly as possible will almost guarantee a hit on every shot, so accuracy is not an issue, it's just a red herring by the article's author.
I find your post above to reflect your absolute ignorance of the subject, I do however find that your self-professed efficiency in reloading and being able to hit targets on every shot rather boastful..........and creepy.
I'm sorry that you find my effort to practice rapid reloading as a part of accurate shooting creepy. I also did NOT profess to hit "every shot". Go stand at the front of a crowded movie theater and see how much distance there is between each patron, and picture trying to NOT hit someone.
I am not going to address your other comments, as I am not going to descend to your level of rudeness.
SaddenAmerica 2012,
Thanks so much for exposing the poster named US ArmyVet (and thanks for serving our country). I have not served in the military and have never owned an assault weapon (have owned a couple of small handguns in the past), but I thought this guy sounded like he was full of hot air, too.
I am sick to death of hearing these gun-know-it-alls come here and try to dispute what is considered an assault weapon and what is not. Everybody knows we are talking about military type weapons (handguns, rifles, magazines, etc.) that can shoot many people within a matter of seconds.
It makes no difference what kind of weapon it is or what you want to call it.
NOBODY IS TRY TO TAKE AWAY ALL GUNS, WE ONLY WANT STRICTER GUN LAWS.
AND THE NRA AND ITS SUPPORTERS KNOW THAT.
But, the NRA loves to whip the paranoid, uneducated followers of its group into a blind frenzy trying to make them think that the Big Bad Government is going to come and take away all its firepower, etc. etc. And then it tries to make people think the Second Amendment is being violated. Well, I am fed up with the NRA and its bullies infringing on the First Amendment Right of Free Speech by trying to shut anyone up who is against a gun-free-for-all.
The NRA has bribed politicians and bullied gun control advocates for decades.
Thank goodness those days are almost over and new gun laws are on the way.
Silverton: I am, like several others on here a Vet, from both peacetime and war, I have a CJ degree just a 2 year, but I am also back in school finishing a teaching degree, (which I switched to a few years after my divorce) while I await a medical retirement due to injuries received while I have been serving. I also own several rifles, shotguns, a few handguns and even an AR which I use for competitive shooting. Because I try to educate people about weapons, I do know a few things about them as one of my 5 Military MOS's ( Job Specialties) is 45B Small arms repair, which means I work on all weapons from a .38 pistol up to towed artillery, and because I did theater support as well as front line work, it makes me one of knowledge, or so they tell me.
But yet because of the position I take you call me an uneducated follower of the NRA....despite all I do I am not even a member of the NRA. This does not mean I am any less of a defender of bothe the 2nd amendment or the 1st or any of the other ones that make the sovereign laws of our Nation, I ask you though you do not want anyone to infringe on any of your rights, why do you feel it acceptable to infringe on the rights of others? These AR styled weapons are used in legitimate shooting matches which like hunting have been done in this country since it was formed.
The issue here should not be the guns, it should be how do people who are mentally ill or so their lawyers and Mental Health profesionals tell us, are able to get in the position to commit these crimes in the first place? Most Gun owners have no issues with rules for purchase, or background checks or anything else designed to keep guns out of the hands of criminals and the mentally incompetant. But most anti gun groups are not intrested in that they want to take them away from everyone, citing the cry "we don't want all of them just the dangerous ones". And the thing is you talk about the NRA "bullying" I hate to break this news to you , but the gun control advocates are just as guilty of the same type of "bullying" and they want to infringe upon the 1st amendment rights of their adversaries, by calling them bullies and paranoid and that what they say makes no common sense.
Both sides need to learn to give the same respect they want from the other......kind of like the respect I give you to your opinion, why not give me the same? And I ask you to not fall into the trap of throwing around lies like uneducated, and paranoid and so many other names you do not like being called.
Innkeeper, thank you for your thoughtful reply. If you look back at my post you will see that I tried to word the part about the NRA trying the whip the "paranoid, uneducated followers of its group" as a segment of its members, and not include every NRA member. Perhaps I did not make that clear enough. I am sorry if it sounded like I included every single gun owner. If this were true, then I would be including my own self, my father who owns a couple of hunting rifles, and my son and his young wife who both have concealed weapon permits and carry small handguns on occasion.
I still maintain that nobody needs any type of weapon that can shoot multiple people within a matter of seconds. A witness to the Newtown massacre said the killer shot more than 100 times in less than TWO MINUTES. Each of the children and teachers killed were shot between 3-11 times apiece. There is absolutely no reason for anyone except the military or police to have weapons of war like this, even if they are fun to target shoot with.
And no, gun control advocates are not bullies, but anytime they have spoken up they are mocked, villified, shouted down, and bullied by the NRA and its followers. Fortunately, the time has come where people who want more gun laws are not going to be shut up or stifled anymore. Our first amendment rights say we have a voice, too. The NRA will continue to bribe dishonorable politicians and attempt to buy control of the masses, but fortunately in this day and age of social media, the millioins of American citizens who want stricter gun laws do not have to just lay down and be walked on anymore.
Again, I am sorry if you thought I was including every single gun owner when I said "paranoid and uneducated." I tried to word my post to make it clear that I was referring to only a segment, but needed to make that clearer I suppose. I live right in the heartland of gun country among good ol' boys who talk of stockpiling for the day the government turns on us and whose macho bravado revolves daily around how big their guns are and how many they own.
There is no good reason why we can't have limits on the types of weapons the average citizen owns, or enforcing laws that require background checks even at gunshows, and that require stricter laws in order to keep any weapons out of the hands of mentally ill people.
I have not read a single post anywhere since the Newtown shooting where somebody said "let's take away all guns." If you have seen one, please tell me where to locate that post, the name of the article, and the number of the post. I would be interested in seeing it because gun advocates here maintain that people are saying that, but I have not seen one single post anywhere that stated that.
And btw, thanks for serving our country.
I think he is sane enough to figure out how to get all the supplies needed to set up such a complex plot.
This whole case proves that violence is inherent in humanity, better classified as evil.
Trying to eliminate entire swaths of 'dangerous things' to stop these people from evil will not work. The ultimate consequence of trying to control too many 'dangerous things' is to make people even less safe.
Silverton, if you haven't seen the posts advocating full ban, then you haven't been reading enough. Of course I don't have the article and post number, I don't need it and neither do you, and I don't care that much about proving anything to you. Just hang around for a while, though. EVERYONE (except you apparently) has probably seen those posts.
There have been proposals (not just in these mindless forums, but from politicians, news outlets, so-called "gun experts", other news forums that I read, etc.) to "come in through the backdoor" so to speak by making gun ownership prohibitively expensive. The thought was that, if we can't ban guns, then raise the price of ammunition and gun powder and highly tax it, require annual psych evaluations paid for by the individual, an ownership license (apart from license to carry, simply to own) and annual renewals, an "ownership tax" to completely pay for all the new regulations and enforcement thereof, special insurance on each individual gun, a requirement to register not only the gun, but movement of the gun through the public (as one man described it in this forum, requirement to report to the police that you are taking your gun from point a to point b, and the route you will take), geo tags to be placed on each instrument to prevent undocumented movement from one location to another and to alarm police officers in the area. So many off-the-wall, probably impossible to enforce regulations as to be insane. Yet they have been proposed, both here and in the media. Read, man, READ! You'll see them.
C'mon, people, please. I know there are extremists in every group, but there seem to be an inordinate number of people like this in the "gun control" crowd. How would you like it if your pocket knife were subject to the same overkill regulation? After all, knives can kill, too. (Don't come at me with the "number of people killed in 2 minutes" BS. Remember your mantra, "if it can prevent one death, it's worth it." Knives kill one at a time.)
Most reasonable gun owners have no problem listening to, discussing, possibly agreeing to reasonable, prudent, effective gun laws. It is the lunatic fringe in the "gun control" crowd that cause us all to be skeptical of your true intentions.
I have read that there are currently about 20,000 "gun control" laws on the books in this nation. Those 20,000 couldn't prevent the Aurora, Sandy Hook, Giffords massacres, because criminal and criminally ill people don't know about, don't respect, don't care about those laws. If the 20,000 we already have are ineffective, then get rid of them. Enact some reasonable and effective laws. Law just for the sake of a law just doesn't work.
The djinni is already out of the bottle, people. So until you can 100% guarantee me that my gun is the last gun in the country and I will never need it for self-protection, then GTF out of my face with your attempt to ban.
The sound you keep hearing is your knees hitting your desks.
CC GWRider,
I'll keep looking for those posts that say "ban all guns." I cannot say that I have seen even one and I post in this forum quite a lot. Perhaps there are one or two individuals with extreme anti-gun views, but I have not stumbled across them yet. Wait ... I do think I might have read one that responded to a post I made about the 1996 Dunblane Scotland massacre of schoolchildren where all handguns were banned in the UK after that slaughter and how the UK gun homicide rate is now one of the lowest in the world.
Anyway, I am not against all guns, and have made that clear in all my posts. Actually, you and I are probably closer in our thinking than we realize.
As you said, enact some reasonable and effective laws, and (my addition) enforce them.
Don't let the NRA or the anti-gun extremists on either side influence a sane and rational solution that will satisfy most everyone and help save a few lives as a result.
Silverton: you did say it clear enough for me, but you need to speak clearly for the masses, you should never lump together any group, and it is even worse to use statements grouped up by the news.
Honestly we need to do things like take this stuff out of the media, we are trained in the Military, becuase of the war against terror, not to glorify what these terrorists do, the punks in Aurora, and Newtown are just that Terrorists, but as much media attention as they garner, and allthe blogs all over the internet, it just highlights it, and gives them fame, and helps other terrorists, see what they have to strive for.
And because I like to Shoot competitively and others do not why should my sport be taken away? Just because the tools of my sport are used illegally by others to cause harm? Don't punish me for the crimes of others.
And as forSpeed of shots, I was not there, but I know both from my schooling in Law Enforcement and My Military training, that people in shock do not always remember things how they actually happened but remember things much worse, and in some cases may have not seen other events that also happened. I know for myself that I have missed things in a firefight that my buddys 50 feet away saw and heard, and they in turn did not see or hear everything I saw. ANd at times others have seen and heard stuff , but which turned out to be vastly different weapons.
And I read in an Artice today where the Gov of NY made a statement way out of line when talking about Gun COntrol "that Confiscation of currently owned weapons was to be considered". He made that statement only once, realizing the mistake in saying it and the furor it would cause, but if he said it that means he beleives it, and it probably means he is not the only gun control advocate who agrees, and while you may not, your not the rabid, mouth foaming member of your beleif as I am not the uneducated, caveman redneck of my side, though I am a good country boy up in the great white north of the midwest and I know and have as friends people from both camps and all stripes of those camps.
We need to curb the symptom causing this not the device, the Mentally ill and criminals are the symptom not the gun, laws to stop them are fine , but not laws to take away the guns, those are just tools same as an adze, or a saw.
Innkeeper,
Unlike Congress, I believe citizens like you and me could come to a meeting of the minds and find a compromise on this issue that would satisfy both parties. If this is so, then it is important for us to encourage others to find middle ground as well. I am hopeful that Gabby Giffords and Mark Kelly will help us on this road to a safer America.
Of course, mental health plays an important role in all of it, as do violent video games and movies, and the dysfunction of so many families as well.
At the risk of causing another argument, I must say I think Fox News media is largely responsible for fanning the flames of fanatics on the right, but I am also disgusted by the far left fringe groups that shove their agendas down our throats.
Surely most people in the U.S. fall somewhere in the middle with their views, though leaning left or right. I've been called a teabagger and a bleeding liberal on the same day in this forum. Doesn't bother me. The only flag I carry is the one of the United States of America, and though it bugs a lot of people these days, I carry a Bible, too.
Who really gives a hoot when he bought the ticket.....really?????
It among other evidence can be used to prove premeditation, planning and sanity.
The timing of that ticket purchase might make the difference between his execution or spending the rest of his life in a "mental care facility". Do you really need something this obvious explained to you?
Soooooo....I guess we can extrapolate from this piece of information that, the other 2 dozen or so people that bought their tickets online several days in advance, were also planning something like this.
@justwatching: I think you should play like your screen name, and just watch. The other people that bought their tickets in advance, didn't kill and injure several dozen people.
I'm not an attorney, but I have to think this bit of information is significant and important. If he bought the ticket well in advance of his crime, it suggests premeditation, making it possible to charge (and convict) him of premeditated murder - a more serious charge. If he bought the tickets in advance, as well as entered once to block open and door and a second time to bring in weapons and commit the crime, it makes it much more difficult to claim he was insane as he was capable of relatively complex planning.
I think it's obvious to even a casual observer that he carefully planned this out long before the event. You don't just suddenly, haphazardly appear at a movie theater dressed in armour and armed to the teeth. When he bought the ticket is almost irrelevant in light of all the other preparations he took. Life in prison without parole. I doubt he'll even go to trial.
Exactly. Meticulously planned with a dozen diabolical booby traps.
And therefore - obviously - the solution is to ban 30-round magazines.
33 shots in 27 seconds. AR-15's are not assault rifles because they are not fully automatic????? You gun nuts are a bunch of ignorant dolts.
Regardless of when he bought the ticket, and other toys to booby trap his apartment does not mean he's sane. No one of sound mind can do something like this, regardless of how long you prepared. The Uni-bomber did this for years and he's a brilliant loon.
I guess we are all lucky he was not bright enough to figure out how to wire the timers to the actual devices so that the devices would be set off automatically. That way that no one would have to be called, or to find anything, or to play with it. Talk about stupid...
Sometimes movies sell out when they are first released, especially the "prime time" ones. Maybe that was the reason he bought his ticket early, or possibly someone else bought it for him.
Standing outside waiting for the cops to come...Libor scandal and tons of money. That or maybe he and the school shooter (his father is testifying in the Libor case too) were both mentally ill, and flipped the f*** out. Both are probable.
@Amused fully automatic is 700-900 rounds a minute or 10+ times faster then semi-automatic. Due to the barrel and heat build up however a rifle cannot shot that many rounds at a sustained pace.
We need to pass new laws making the manufacturing and possession of bombs illegal. Illegaler.
Tired: he did this in the hopes someone would be right there when it happened.
It shows that this whole ordeal was well planned in advance - thus he was sane (legally sane) at the time he committed this crime.
Let's see here........Sane, premeditated, danger to society, no regard for human life, murderer, child killer !!!!!!!!!!!!!!.......enough evidence to fry his @ss immediately!! This is one we should just forget the court proceedings and straight to a public hanging!!
I am a fan of your thinking, Jamie!
i say we kill him. then we hang him then kill him again!
I've got it! An adult version of the classic kids' game: Shotgun piñata!
Works for me!
Amused In The Midwest
"33 shots in 27 seconds. AR-15's are not assault rifles because they are not fully automatic????? You gun nuts are a bunch of ignorant dolts."
Tough to do with a 30 round magazine....and as far as the definition of "assault" weapon; no, it is not due to not having the fully auto or burst mode.
"...it is highly unlikely to fire 33 rounds in 27 seconds! First you would need more than a 30 round magazine!"
I know it doesn't state it in this article, but he had a 100-round drum. That fact has been widely discussed.
"Let's not even get into the "Boobytraps"! Former US Army Engineer trained in "Boobytraps" here!"
Oh ok, well as long as you're here... thank goodness. *eye roll*
Tough to do with a 30 round magazine....and as far as the definition of "assault" weapon; no, it is not due to not having the fully auto or burst mode.~MarkusB
Not according to our resident weapons expert KenN (post 1.53) he even is proud to claim his profienciency at reloading his revolver in that time period and still have the acumen to be able to hit moving targets easily. His definition is that a rifle has to be fully automatic to be an assualt rifle, I guess when the selector is switched to semi-automatic it transforms into "not an assualt rifle"
The M-16 that I carried in the military had both Auto and Semi-Auto settings. It certainly was an "assault rifle". The AR-15 is simply a civilian version of the same weapon. The point of my comment is that fully automatic is not necessary to kill many people quickly, nor is it necessary to constitute an "assault rifle". If you need a 30 round clip to hunt then you should restrict your hunting to the meat case at the local supermarket. We need to start the discussion with eliminating these and making it criminal to tape two smaller magazines together so that you can quick change them. Most will follow the law. The bad guys will do whatever the hell they want to anyway.
Hunting and 30 round magazines have nothing to do with each other, which is why that argument is non-sequitur. The right to keep and bear arms has nothing to do with hunting.
Who cares when he bought the ticket....please.......
Let us all know how happy you are when he walks on an insanity plea.
The evidence is important. But not news worthy. Why do we need to know this right now?
No one forced you to read it.
Every time you use his name you give him fame and encourage someone else. Stop it!
James Holmes. Oh no, I hope I didn't encourage someone else to do this!
Too bad he didnt take after his brother John. Probably did all this cause he was too short.
Hmm I think I just figured out his motive and solved the case....
"Thirteen Inches Away From Sanity" by James Holmes. In bookstores soon....
Insane is not the same as mentally ill; insanity implies he did not realize his actions were wrong, or have the ability to comprehend the gravity of it. Mentally ill? Hell yes! But insane? Probably not...
"“He seemed very detached from it all,”
He was. SSRI meds. While big pharma will lay the blame on the mental illness itself, the medication (including increased dosages and withdrawals) completely fried the man's brain.
But his sealed medical records will ensure none of you ever find out about that. There are important profits to be made. There's no need for silly side effects like mania and psychosis impacting that.
Plus, we need to pass more gun control legislation. Never let a good crisis go to waste.
need more nut huts to store all these freaks used to be mental hospitals everywhere now not as many but many more people. go figure blame that one on the libs wouldnt wanna hurt anybodys feelings!
Every antidepressant I've seen, or used, carries a warning right on the bottle, that one should immediately consult one's doctor if one experiences mood swings, homicidal or suicidal thoughts. There's a whole lot more that are listed in the accompanying literature. And if he was unable to perceive the changes and thoughts, or process them accurately, he should have been monitored by his family.
Sometimes these products can be useful, and sometimes they can be harmful. If you have family or friends who use such drugs, keep a discreet eye on them. Early warning signs can be spotted, and used to adjust the medications.
That said, I think we need much stronger procedures for evaluating mental illness, and for deciding when it is OK for a mentally-ill person to be allowed to own them. My vote would be for never. Even the Framers would know about that. There were plenty of mentally-ill people in the colonies, too.
Why, oh why, didn't he point a gun at the officers so they could have just taken him out at that time. Then none of this trial crap would be necessary. I can't believe that there are scum attorneys in existence that would defend a person like this. Insanity or not. I also can't believe that through taxes, we are paying for all of it. And if he's found to be insane, and not put to death, we will continue to pay for it.
I agree with you but you dont sound very Left Leaning there Lisa. :)
This is America, not Iran. We have this little thing called due process. It is one of the things that makes America a great country. You can't pick and choose which parts of the Constitution you wish us to adhere.
Why, oh why, didn't his firearms misfire and spare 12 lives? Since we are making wishes, why not go for gold.
Bob Freebird~ If we're gonna make wishes let's go for platinum! Why oh why didn't his mother douche???
Had the police killed him, he wouldn't have been able to tell them about the booby-traps.
Sorry i have to agree with another middle class. I whole heartedly agree with you but doesn't seem left leaning.
Old Thang, I'm going for diamond here, why didn't mom swallow!?!?
best part of him ran down his mamas leg
The only Meds he need is the ones that slowly course through his viens until he slumber forever.
I am more partial to a .44 in the back of the head. Same result less money and no pain. Can let any willing parents draw straws for the right to pull the trigger. What is the point of death penalty if they make it easy. Let him think of what he did to deserve it while someone is standing behind him with a cylinder spinning on a .44 caliber revolver for 20 minutes.
They should make it a slow and cruel death take him to the edge and stop. Once for every victim
They really need to put larger "gun free zone" signs up. He must have missed them.
LOL! Yes in 7 diff languages too!
Ban early movie ticket sales.
Absolutely, william reno. And whatever we do, we MUST ban frying pans!!!!!
As I was reading the article I knew some idiot would be making a comment like this.
gotta ban string too!
Just put him in the chair and fry him!!!
I was concerned about the making public of his booby-trap methods... but I can see I was worrying needlessly. He seems to have gotten most of his ideas from Wile E. Coyote and ordered most of his apparatus from the Acme Corporation catalog.
Why are you laughing at him?
It took the FBI bomb squad over 24 hours to deactivate the chemical weapons he sat up in his apartment. They had never seen anything like it, said it was very sophistocated. The bomb squad from the Aurora Police Department wouldn't even touch it.
It probably took them so long to work on those "diabolical"weapons of mass destruction because they were laughing so hard .
I think it's funny that when the media wants us to focus on guns, they call them "assault weapons". Now that they want to talk about other things, they call them "rifles"
Death penalty! He knew what he was doing.
he planned this to the minute detail and now he's crazy? i don't think so!!!
(1) If holmes was that smart and that angry to kill with devastation, why did he not simply synchronize the chaos? For example, he chose to get caught in the shooting rampage, but he set his bombs for others to trigger.
(2) if holmes was an ex-priest, then it would be appropriate to say he is bored with life and has left the order to find the devil. For example, creating a chaos event in a shooting rampage, with a remote control bomb ignition device next to a remote control toy car outside the building for anyone or kids to pickup and do the trigger.
What is EVIL? a priest bored with life and looking for the devil? Or a priest happy with life and wants to do your wife and the kids?
A "no value" comment if I ever saw one...
He left a CD playing very loudly, thinking that someone would call the landlord or perhaps call the law to complain and that someone would open the door setting off the explosions.
If that had happened, all law enforcement and emergency personnel would have been at the site of the apartment explosion and he would have had more time at the theatre. It just didn't happen the way he planned it.
Jim-Ohioan, having values is important. It means you are alive and make choices for yourself.
screminmimi
I agree with the facts you pick up from the news literally. Leaving the CD playing at loud volume does not means it is actively on to do it. The news article mention about a timer being set but did not do disclosure to say it was ON. So, assume it was OFF so subsequent events can provide outcome of news you are reading. This assume holmes left it off (devil?) or forgot to turn on timer (human!).
That is why i make my post. Read it again. Then verify and post if holmes is a ex-catholic priest. Easy way to do is ask the pope if he knows holmes was a former priesthood candidate doing fulfillment for priesthood life.
Sounds like you're related to him maybe cousin? half brother?
joe s-1610165, yo Joe! do you have a relative who is a catholic priest? If you do have a relative who is a catholic priest, do you think to write something like my posts about catholic priests and the brotherhood for silence?
So, when sodomy acts are over, can the catholic brotherhood continue on the journey for the Holy Grail, cup-of-joe?
Dude...what are you babbling about? You're nuttier than squirrel turds.
Blah-7500937,
I am saying if a christian priest can do sodomy on others he believe to be part of his flock and let other christians do it to others, how do christians qualify to seek the holy grail?
Without attribute to call virtue to do the holy grail journey, are christians basically criminals AND animals? One billion catholics are in unity with the catholic Pope are in unity with the catholic Priests.
In summary, if one is Blah-7500937 is a devote catholic and calls a catholic priests father while father sodomize others, is that an animal? Then does how does Blah-7500937 seek the holy grail now in daylight?
no else qualifies to seek the holy grail other then christians. Failure to qualify to seek the holy grail as a chrstian means doom. holywood movies like indiana jones and blah blah blah would be wrong cartoons depicting righteous christian kind. Law full of christisns is cartoons too for real.
How to console the loser with piety (no religion attached, just word meaning is all):
A story of life.
A chinese farmer is simple life so simple it dares to bring envy to an Emporer. Everyday, the farmer goes out to the field to tender the cycle of life for food and longevity through the winter. When asked how does one live to do so? The farmer says sweating is good for you. Everyday, going out to the fields, one has to sweat a days work as a farmer. Sweating opens the pores to release harmful elements in the body too. It is like sweating in fear but a different state of mind. And that how one does it everyday.
The Emporer is envy because competition from a farmer is mind-boggling. And that is how one boggles the mind of a conquistador for a thousands plural years of power for reign as Emporer. The word is kung-fu you fool.
Anyone still beleive this little piece of crap wouldn't have found another way to commit the carnage he did even if guns were banned?
Nearly everyday in the middle East we read about car bombs and suicide bombers killing dozens; areas where the general population doesn't have guns.
My fear is that our homegrown terrorists, and that is what they essentially are, will grow tired of copycat killings with guns, and graduate on to the tactics of those abroad...
It might be that in the Middle East if you pull the trigger on your AK there are 20 other people around with AK's to pull the trigger on you. But with a bomb you are able to kill more people quicker than with the AK.
Isn't this the same state where Obama had the same glassy eyed stare as the perp and it was caused by high altitude...this dude's lawyer needs to stipulate that whatever the prosecution wants to claim the perp did is ok with him...then plead a high altitude sickness defense...the guy goes free and can become president one of these daze...
Do you take Meds? You should.
Thanks Jim for your informative post. Wow, I can see you've carefully considered this.
Why would Jim consider an inane, moronic diatribe like that?
Oh shut the hell up. I live in Colorado and we have seen our share of heart ache here. Leave Pres. Obama out of this.
He could have been his son.
Hopefully he can be forgiven for all he has done. I pray for the victims, as well as him. Prison is not a pretty place, but hopefully while there he may find the peace he needs, and the forgiveness we all deserve.
I'd rather the other inmates find the piece they need, and we'll forgive them.
The priority of forgiving him is extremely low on the list. It's also a chore for the actual victims and families of the victims. Forgiveness is a process, not a momentary decision. The public has no need to "forgive" this man, he didn't "sin" against them. We are the "render unto Caesar" task force that ensures that he pays his due for his behavior.
Oh dear lord..... Chris, let's just send him to God... Do not pass "Go"...do not collect $200... so he can ask The Man in person for forgiveness and peace.
Chirs150 do not ever serve on jury duty.
they''ll think hes pretty though
Clearly insane people do not go to the planning lengths this guy did. 12 days in advance clearly indicates premeditated. But this is what happens when liberals run the show, no one is responsible for their actions. Just google Stella awards and see how far liberalism has taken us down the rat hole.
People who are insane can plan stuff. Do you think retards cant feed themselves too?
These are devious Improvised Explosive Devices ( IEDs ) from a brilliant mind gone astray.
They do indicate pre-meditation.
They do indicate inventive and adaptive premeditation.
What a shame. He could have been very useful to himself and to society.
People with problem thoujghts should seek help and the helpers should maximize their empathy and problem solving skills.
Problem thoughts detection by others also needs to be enhanced if the thinker can't recognize them himself.
.... Or some people just should not have been born ( this can't be true ).
Yep. The college shrink abandoned him, and therefore his victims, too. Likely knew he would eventually go haywire, and just excused themselves out of the picture.
Actually, she warned her higher ups and campus security, who didn't take it any further.
POP Piece of Poop!
I was amazed when reading what he used to boobytrap his apartment. I think I read somewhere that he was a borderline genius and I can see that reading all this. I only wish his mind had been working towards good not evil. I still think we need regulation on legal and illegal rifles and clip capability, but I have friends who hunt and they hunt and either eat what they kill or donate it, so I am not saying to get rid of guns. This is just so hard to read after what happened in Newtown.
Even Geniuses aren't smart about everything:
right, right
Like a child, perhaps? That would be way too hard to pass up for a kid...
I think we should seriously consider banning remote control cars and frying pans, as the could be used to make a weapon of mass destruction
As I was reading the article I knew some idiot would be making a comment like this.
So, even though he used guns at the theater, he was fully prepared to wipe out just as many at his apartment. Without guns.
I still maintain that his insanity was the real killer. No, I don't think he was insane enough to not realize what he was doing is wrong. He knew police would eventually come to his apartment, and that is clear evidence that he knew his actions were illegal. I'm sure (as in the unibomber case) he can aid in his own defense, because he is intelligent.
But...he's batshlt crazy. His weaponry could have been safely and legally owned by any law abiding citizen. Please, let's rethink our attitude on the "rights" of the insane. Do the rest of us have rights?
The Second Amendment is clear - no infringements on the right to bear arms up to equality with the military.
wow, that last part must be in the Unabridged Second Amendment to the Bill of Rights to the Constitution of the United States of America
Actually that is not what the 2nd Amendmentsays
"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed".
Nothing in there about equality with the military , hence why civilians need special permits to won Fully Automatic weapons, which AR's purchased at a Gun Dealer are not "Assault Rifles".
Actually thats not true, what is says is "
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
It seems to me the right to bear arms is tied to being a member of a WELL REGULAED MILITIA. I realize past Supreme Court decisions agree with your interpretation but I would argue...those decisions were wrong
Actually Greg the right to bear arms is not tied to being a member of a "well regulated militia" , the two are linked as being part of what helps keep the security of the state, but if you do want tie them together, by the rules in most states which have not been changed mind you all males between the ages of 16 and 60 are in time of need considered part of the militia by the state, and are required to own a firearm suitable for that purpose if they have the means. Do you own a firearm?
I would disagree. Though militia not being what it was it's intent is the ability of the public to protect itself. Our military and police can not do it all and it only takes watching the news to see that.
NH Constitution Article 2A.... All people have the right to keep and bear arms in defense of themselves, their families, their property and the state.
No "militia" word for libs and hoplophobes to play word games with.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Lets bold this part, for once....
Markus, that is the ONLY part that has been "bolded", by the gun-toting public. BTW, which well regulated militia are you a part of?