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Subscribe to RSS911 calls from the movie theater where a deadly shooting spree was under way were played in court, on the second day of hearings to decide if the alleged gunman should stand trial. NBC's Leanne Gregg reports.
Courtesy the family via KUSA
Veronica Moser-Sullivan, in an undated family photo.
Weeping through closed eyes, Ian Sullivan listened Tuesday to a 911 call that detailed the death of his 6-year-old daughter, Veronica, in a Colorado movie theater.
The 4-minute recording captured the voices of two people: a 911 dispatcher and a crying 13-year-old desperately trying to get help for her little cousin and for Veronica's gravely wounded mother, Ashley Moser.
"Who's been shot?" the dispatcher asked.
"My two cousins," the young caller said. "On the floor ... not breathing."
The 911 operator told her she had to perform CPR, but it was too loud in Theater No. 9 -- the movie still playing, screams filling the air -- for her to follow the instructions.
"Help me!" the girl shouted a few times.
Ashley Moser, 25, shot in the stomach and neck, survived but suffered a miscarriage and was paralyzed. Her daughter could not be saved.
Veronica was the youngest of the 12 people killed at the Century 16 theater when James Holmes allegedly opened fire during a midnight screening of the Batman movie "The Dark Knight Rises."
The 911 call was played during a preliminary hearing in which prosecutors are laying out their case to convince a judge there's enough evidence to put Holmes on trial for first-degree murder.
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Victims relatives have been in the courtroom and overflow rooms, reacting with anguish at times during hours of emotional and sometimes graphic testimony.
During Tuesday's proceedings, prosecutors played a second 911 call. It was barely half a minute long, but the sound of 33 gunshots could be heard.
The caller, Kevin Quinonez, struggled to be heard but managed to convey some sense of the inexplicable horror unfolding around him: "There's some guy after us."
NBC News’ Mike Taibbi and KUSA's Blair Shiff contributed to this report.
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please do not let this monster get away with this or drag it out for years then put him in a publically funded institution, when he clearly did it and has no remorse. Put him to death! Do ot put the families through that! Waht if it was your child or loved one?
No need for the death penalty. When found guilty lock him up and throw away the key.
Oh, honey... See, the powers that be want assault weapons to be sold to the general public - they like to go to the range and get their jollies shooting targets of humans, maybe animals - plus there's an economic issue - selling guns makes money (I know... not for you or your family but others). And those reasons - or "rights" as the gun lovers call it - for assault rifle ownership are the reason you are in heaven right now - and all the others, too, who have died at the hands of a murderer with an assault rifle. I know it's hard to understand, but by golly shootin' those guns is so much fun, you know. I know it's hard to understand, but our society here in the U.S. is f'd up right now. In some ways, you have been spared. Rest in peace, angel.....
Play this tape, and all the others like it, for both houses of Congress and make all congresspeople listen to them all, hands folded in front of them, from beginning to end.
It's time to stop this. It can be done, and we can still keep our 2d Amendment Rights. And enlist all gun owners into the National Guard? Aren't they the militia?
This will take a long time unless he pleads guilty, which I seriously doubt will happen. There is no appropriate punishment short of torture. He will always be kept in a secure location until the trial is done. If he is sentenced to death he will be in solitary for years which will protect him, it would drive a sane person insane but it may be what he likes. If he gets life he will likely be in general population which may be tougher on him, he isn't a tough guy without weapons, Dahmer didn't live that long in general maybe the same will happen here. Although he is undoubtedly insane I don't believe he is criminally insane, in that he did not understand the consequences or the wrongness of what he did, the body armor and gas mask says he undoubtedly understood what he was doing was wrong and the possible consequences.
Twenty-seven shots in thirty seconds.
Pro- or anti-gun, nobody can justify allowing that kind of firepower in the hands of civilians.
How about 12 shots in less than 3 seconds with a reload? Do you want to ban revolvers also?
WHY is this POS holmes allowed to still be breathing air???..He was guilty of the killings,there is no question about that,..but the very same people that ask how this was allowed to happen,and ask for MORE gun laws,...(after all,he obviously obeyed the existing gun laws ....right...)are the very same ones who will say no to a death penalty for him,and ask to send him to a mental health intitution,for vacation...Once before I had someone on this vine tell me:" he deserves a fair trial,and mental help consideration".....and that I'm uncivilized for wanting a QUICK end to his life.....He sure as hell didn't give the people in the theatre any chance,or choice...If there is NO question as to weather or not a person killed other people,with multiple witesses,and video,...a rapid execution of that thing should be the next move.....Then there was the guy who killed the firemen, in NY.....he was RELEASED from prison after serving a sentence for killing his 92 year old grandmother,by beating her to death with a hammer......The firemen would be alive if thier killer was at LEAST still in jail.....nice job justice system.... There are no deterrents for committing violent crime...the public has gotten too soft on people who commit any kind of violent crime.......can't invade the privacy of a potential mass murderer,by having the mental health people make the status of their known crazies on the loose known to law enforcement........privacy..ya know...........Yes I do believe there should be a universal,nationwide,NCIC,as well as a mental health background check done prior to allowing the sale of a firearm.......The same as I had to go through to get my CWP.......and somehow my guns have never unlocked the safe,climbed out,loaded themselves,and killed anybody.........amazing............................U.S.Army Disabled Veteran
We know very little about the human mind. In situations like this where there is a "smoking gun" (pardon the phrase) we just need to eliminate these people. Why spend the taxpayers hard earned dollars to keep people like this incarcerated and under a doctors care? Thank goodness the scum at Sandy Hook did the job for us.
Instead of looking at the guns, why don't they look at the prescription drugs this guy was on, and most of the other large scale massacre shooters? Even if you get rid of assault weapons and large magazines (which I agree don't belong in civilian hands) there will still be issues. The same week as the Sandy Hook tragedy, there was a guy in China that slashed up a bunch of kids with a knife. Banning assault weapons will NOT stop these issues. Banning guns will NOT stop these issues (the most horrific child massacre in our country was done with bombs). Guns are NOT the ultimate cause.
If you have a sick person, they will find a way to accomplish these horrific tragedies.
Go after the cause, because the tools that are used are far more than just guns.
The commonality of the cause among the high majority of these shooters are the legal doctor prescribed drugs they are either taking, or supposed to take.
Do some research.
Also...
No need for the death penalty. When found guilty lock him up and throw away the key.
I don't want my tax dollars being wasted on keeping that skin bag alive. I'll pay for the bullet or the rope to put him in an unmarked grave. Clean the gene pool.
To Commonsense and Gila Monster. I couldn't agree with you more. No one needs to have an assault weapon. Guns are much more likely used maliciously than to protect oneself. We have the highest per capita gun deaths in the developed world, because of our permissive gun laws. Time to stop the NRA.
David LG...concur no one needs an assault weapon serves no purpose. Gila Monster...I'd third your suggestion it's time to make those in Washington hear the horror that has engulfed far too many and their loved ones. In Washington they only act when it impacts them or their hide (sarcastic) then it becomes "the priority." I'd be real curious about any argument against a psch. eval. with all fingers printed and a thorough background check, with reasonable delay of 45 days to verify information every year.
I don't think this guy will be convicted because I don't believe he'll survive the trial. Somebody's going to get to him before it even ends.
I'd like to see that cluster on a target - if you even manage to hit the target - with a revolver in that amount of time.
Amazing that they are able to start this trial while the anti-gun people are pushing for assault weapon regulation......Whatever happened to the Treyvon trial?
You should let the church handle this. God is responsible for everything, right? Good, bad, cancer, auto accidents. People die because God wants them back in Heaven. Only God should be able to kill. Lock him in a cell till God makes him die.
Isn't that what they teach anymore in church? It changes so often. If people aren't happy with religious doctrine, don't they just vote and change it. I lose track.
On and on goes the endless Propaganda and Disinformation stories attempting to be used to disarm US for Wall Street Oligarchs.
How many Preliminary Hearings have you ever heard of that had this much inflammatory "evidence" leaked to the Corporate Media before hand?
"A free people ought not only to be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government." – George Washington
Don't you liberals ever grow tired of being idiots??
We are one sick fu@king country! Wow, shame on us to even let animals like that live and play games with court systems.
One .357 bullet, I supply, and no more discussion. America is sick to the core to even consider animals like this being prosecuted. Are you nuts???
muw.......Nope....GW never said that...please don't be throwing out "Quotes" without checking them out.
Here is GW *actual* quote that he made on the subject...and that has been twisted to fit an agenda.
ship,
so following the constitution makes our country sick? Even if he is a guilty bastard he still has the right to a fair trial. There is more to the Constitution than the second amendment. One of those other amendments puts into place rights for criminals such as the one I stated above. It is called due process.
I still do not understand why ANY parent would let their young kid/kids watch such a violent,dark and depressing movie such as the Dark Knight. It is NOT a movie for a little kid to be watching.It DOES desensitize kids to be exposed to stuff like this day in day out. And this shooting didn't exactly happen while showing a Disney movie. Think about it, violent movies and video games DO have an affect on young minds! I think they feed the fire that turns some SICKOS onto doing this kind of thing! And yes, fry the creep! One bullet to the head! Screw the "Oh, we found him to be insane so he can't be put to death" Time to bring back the firing squad!
Scott Schreiber
quoting George Washington:
A free people ought not only to be armed but disciplined
Disciplined. Well, that throws everything else out, too. Discipline is the last thing on anyone's mind, whether it's the sexual revolution or gun use or using one's house mortgage as a limitless ATM machine or the obesity epidemic. We as a society seem proud of our lack of self-discipline.
If we keep this trail going long enough , these images can and will be used to keep pushing the anti gun agenda.
The acts of the few crazy people are not a justified reason to infringe on the rights of millions.
Lunkystraydog:
What rights? The acts of a crazy few who can get guns do justify restricting guns because the rest of us have a right to live. Australia, U.K. and the developed world have much lower per capita gun deaths than the U.S. Our permissive gun laws are the problem.
yes, there are some real sickos in our "free" society no doubt. And unfortunately a large block of them who believe some measure of gun control is NOT in order after so many of these senseless killings, subscribe to "conspiracy" theories such as this, all over YouTube. You see, it's not just the guys pulling the trigger on assault weapons... we have a real problem with people who can't deal with reality in America: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qk6OOvgjYdY&bpctr=1357704362
While I do believe existing gun laws need to be explored, discussed and modified I am wondering how this guy managed to buy thousands of rounds of ammo without anyone raising an eyebrow. I have a tiny little handgun that I bought 30 years ago. When I bought a box of bullets for it (the one and only time!) all I had to do was show my drivers license and I walked away with my little box of bullets.
Why is the purchase of ammo not recorded in a data base that will notify the powers that be that someone seems to be stockpiling massive amounts of ammo? The technology we have today would make this a pretty easy program to develop and institute. Why haven't we done it yet? I think that had someone been aware that Holmes was stockpiling such massive amounts of ammo, the authorities had been notified, a check on Holmes done and they might have noticed he was crazy/psycho and could have possibly done something to stop him before he committed these heinous acts.
So, I guess the big question is - why isn't ammo regulated?
To those who are trying their best to convince us that guns didn't play a major role in this massacre, if he tried it with a knife or baseball bat (both of which can be lethal) how many people do you think would have been wounded or died?
Jim, you're on the wrong blog, try anti-religion diatribe on an athiest thread.
JeepGal:
I've been playing video games since I was 9 years old and got my first Nintendo. I've played games from Mario Bros. to Mortal Kombat. I don't go around jumping on turtles or trying to rip people's spines out. I've also been reading Batman comics, watching Batman movies and TV shows since I was about the same age. I don't go around beating people up in the street because Batman does it.
I know fantasy from reality, as do most people. Call of Duty has about 25 million people playing it every month around the world (it could be more, but last I knew, that was the average). If violent video games were the cause of these types of incidents, you'd think there would be a lot more incidents with that volume of people playing violent video games.
There should be an age limit on really violent video games and movies, hence why there are ratings on them. Parents need to monitor what their kids are playing and watching.
However, this guy is a sicko. No rational human, whether they enjoy violent video games and movies or not, would ever do something like this.
any body that would give up their weapons is a coward ...and probably will be shot...hitler took them from the Jews...if your fool enough to trust the politicians think again...look what just happen in a weapon free zone...the goofy ass people we elected...need to figure out how a hot line for these crazy people... that need help might stop a lot of tragedy...but you are going still have nut's do this type thing regardless...pack some heat and practice it might save you and people around you someday...
To those who are trying their best to convince us that guns didn't play a major role in this massacre, if he tried it with a knife or baseball bat (both of which can be lethal) how many people do you think would have been wounded or died?
Since you want to theorize, how many people would've died if he used a bomb? The point isn't how many would've died since even one death is unacceptable. Or do you libs have a magical number of people that can die in a tragedy and then it'll all be ok? So if only five kids died since he only had a knife, then that isn't a problem... or is the number 6 kids... 4 kids?
You're a @!$%#ing idiot.
As a society, we can't just look at guns laws. There is something deeper going on here, something causing people to snap. Whether it's medications, food additives, lack of parenting, etc. we need to look for the SOURCE. Since when has banning guns kept criminals from getting their hands on them anyway?
Jim (1.15)
Your post involves what 'man' thinks about - or says for - God. Therefore, it might be creating some confusion: are they God - or are you?
Don't conservatives ever get tired of being the WORLD'S BIGGEST @!$%#S?
The problem is there is no way to make an example out of this sh!tbag. His crimes by far outweigh any punishment he will receive.
they need to hang this monster :D
Screw you gun nuts!!!
If there'd been a gun nut in the theater other than Holmes, Holmes would have been shut down before he fired the second shot.
Jerry gets the Moron of The Day Award
jerryb, there was a "gun nut" in the theater besides Holmes. He said he couldn't get a clean shot of Holmes without hitting innocent bystanders.
What you pro-gun folks always fail to realize is the fact that with more people shooting back and forth, it might just make the situation even more deadly for those innocent people caught in the crossfire.
Have you heard of the attack in another theatre in Texas a few weeks ago, in December 2012? You probably havent. You know why you haven't? Because there was a "gun nut" in the theatre, an armed off duty officer, who shot the gunman down before he could go on a rampage, that's why.
And Cameron, your post shows very well that contrary to what you anti-guns folks seem to believe, gun owners are not crazy "gun nuts", as you like to call them. The man was armed, but knew better then to shoot in the middle of a crowd. An armed mother, in Fresno, California, stopped a man from kidnapping her child, and just like the man you mentioned, she didn't start shooting in a crowd either, she just pointed the gun at him and let the man escape after he decided to let the child go.
In fact, of all the people I know who own guns, and I know many of them (everyone over 21 can carry a weapon in my State), there isn't even one of them that I would call a "gun nut", they are all good people, realistic people who know that unfortunately our crime rate is not at zero, and that bad things sometimes happen to good people, all of them keep guns for self-defense, many of them also enjoy target shooting, some of them are collectors, and some of them are hunters. This demonising of gun owners is ridiculous.
Strict gun control will only take the guns away from law abiding citizens, while sick people like Holmes will still find a way to get them. Instead of expecting the government to do everything for us, which they can't (eventho I have the utmost respect for law enforcement officers, who risk their lives every day for us, they usually can't get to your location within 10 seconds after you call them, meanwhile you have to protect yourself), we should be responsible enough to report a person whom we believe shouldn't own guns (or other weapons), for whatever reason, and then let the law enforcement officers do their job, do a background check, take the guns away, or whatever is needed. If I saw someone acting like an idiot while playing with his/her guns, and ignoring safety rules, I would report him/her. Like some idiot who was shooting targets in a camping area, some people reported him, which was the right thing to do.
The same here at the mall shooting in Portland, someone, ex-military did have a gun on him but when he evaluated the situation he decided NOT to shot or else lose more victims to collateral damage. Anyone with a concealed carry weapon should have to go through military or police training, before being given a CCW permit.
Cameron Ford statement is an oxymoron,
"jerryb, there was a "gun nut" in the theater besides Holmes. He said he couldn't get a clean shot of Holmes without hitting innocent bystanders.
What you pro-gun folks always fail to realize is the fact that with more people shooting back and forth, it might just make the situation even more deadly for those innocent people caught in the crossfire."
So you are saying that a "gun nut" was in the theater and he didnt just OPEN FIRE?? I mean that is what all us gun nuts do, don't we? So if there were more gun nuts then they for sure would just open fire and shoot anything that moves?
How about if there were 5 gun nuts randomly around the theater and one happened to be in the front row with a clearer shot?
You people blantently say that more guns would have made the situation worse and will ignore that a gun was there and the REASONABLE gun owner made a choice and opted for safety as most REASONABLE gun owners do.
Now say that guy is going row to row and shooting down the people laying down (because they have no way to defend themselves, just wait to be shot) you better hope there is a person in your row willing to not wait to die and try to take out the assailent, hopefully said person has a gun IMO.
Anyways trying to reason with you people feels like trying to teach an infant simple math.. sure its easy for the rest of us to understand but you just dont get it.
Here's a story of a gun nut in a theater. He wanted to protect himself and others in case of a copy cat shooting:
http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2012/12/loaded_gun_left_in_tillamook_t.html
What always amazes me is when people can not express their point, either on one side or the other, and then blame the listener as "unreasonable".
If someone wants to enact measures with the intent of limiting access to those who would do others harm, that does not qualify them as "anti-gun"
Likewise, if someone owns weapons and is responsible, does not constitute a "gun-nut"
I believe in finding ways to regulate the manufacturing of certain weapons and accessories. I am a veteran. I own a gun.
Stop already with the infantile name calling, listen to each other, and find compromise. Too many people, just like congress, throwing temper tantrums when they don't get their way.
Spokane Wa,No point asking people to stop the name calling and debate these issues as adults.These posters are by no means adults.I think posters who use name calling should be suspended for one month.
The shooter had military style body armor. There goes that "theroy" all to hell.
@ Spokane - very intelligent post, thank you. I sometimes get so disheartened when I read some of the blogs. You're right, if someone disagrees with another persons opinion the name calling begins and it serves no purpose other than to inflame a touchy situation.
I'm willing to debate anyone on a topic I feel I am comfortable with, that I have background information on so I can debate intelligently. I will not debate with name callers, SHOUTERS, and people using profanity. Most of us here are adults and such behavior is beneath us all. Rabid ranting won't get your point across, it just inflames.
@ Typo - body armor will protect the body but a head shot would have worked with this guy. I don't remember hearing that he was wearing a helmet or any type of head protection. Did he?
Not surpising is a shooting incident in a theater tonight in San Antoinio where the suspect was shot by an armed off duty officer preventing a mass killing. The perp started shooting in the theater causing a mass panic but was stopped in his tracks. Not a peep from the liberal media on this because it just doesn't fit their anti-gun bs. Typical media control from the left as usual.
As I recall, he did have some kind of head protection, but I don't remember what it was or if it would have been particularly effective. The bottom line is that a situation like this requires a background in military actions. Shooting straight at the gun range is very far from shooting straight in a dark theater with people screaming and running and being shot down in front of you. Even trying to make sense of the chaos around you is difficult. Some of these people didn't even know for sure how many shooters there were. A lot of would be heroes think they could take out a guy in the dark, in body armor who is shooting at them, all while people are running, screaming and begging for help around them. Much easier said than done. When I was training we were always told to shoot for center mass. Head shots were much more difficult. Center mass is a great theory, and if I had been shooting I would have been ineffective at best.
That theater story from San Antonio is extremely inaccurate. They weren't in a theater. It was a domestic altercation in the parking lot that resulted in gunfire. The off duty officer was armed because she was moonlighting as a security guard. She might have saved the life of the woman in question, but this man was not a rampage shooter. He had a specific individual he was targeting. So good for the cop, but the threat was not the same.
On the news tonight in San Francisco a man confronted an armed intruder. He also had a gun. They struggled. Both men lost their guns. The homeowner used a kitchen knife to stop and kill the intruder. Early police reports say the killing was completely justified. What good did his gun do that homeowner? For whatever reason, he never got the chance to fire it. In the end it was an old fashioned kitchen knife that saved him.
underemployed-
Thank you for setting the record straight. Anna's description certainly was inaccurate and did not help the discussion since it is very evident that it was unlikely that someone with a hand gun could've stopped this person in the theater. The fact is that more guns in society make us less safe not more safe. Countries like Australia and the U.K. and the rest of the developed world have much fewer per capita gun deaths than the U.S. with our permissive gun laws.
IF a gun nut had been waiting for such an event to happen with his finger on the trigger. IF people actually live like that, they are pathetic. OTHERWISE... you are incorrect.
Does it really matter?
The dispatcher is trying to evaluate the situation while trying to engage the caller in a conversation that will keep them calm. They are trained to ask these questions to keep the situation in whatever little control they can from over the phone line. They'd already alerted police, and were now doing what little they could to help.
Does it really matter?
this is a standard and appropriate question to help ID the victim for arriving first responders. realize also, the enormity of the event is not fully known at the time of the call.
Am I reading a news report or a story?
There were multiple eye witnesses, James Holmes was standing at the scene when officers arrived.
Convict the genetic failure already then put him in a theater and do the same.
Gun Control Now. Keep your hunting rifles. Keep your pistols. Ban Assault Weapons.
"Enough" - Gabby Giffords.
Ebeneezer Goode- There is already a ban on Assault weapons in place.
Ebeneezer Goode -
You're an idiot, with no grasp of what really prevents these kinds of terrible acts. Magazine capacity is not responsible for this terrible crime. This guy / animal has mental issues, that is what caused this. The psycho in China that stabbed 20+ children, just had a knife, no gun or high capacity magazine. I served this Country as a US Marine. I carried an M16 and many high capacity magazines and other things. I used these to protect myself, my brothers in arms and this Country. When I was honorably discharged, did I lose the right to protect myself. The bad guys in this Country are not going to carry flint lock rifles or single shot firearms. They are going to carry the most modern / advanced weapons. Taking mine away, would put me and my loved ones, at a huge disadvantage...Or dead.
If high capacity magazines and assault weapons are so bad, why do the Secret Service need them to guard the Obamas. At his children's school, they not only have Secret Service but eleven armed guards. Are his children more important than mine?
JMSMITH-You did not just say above why do the Secret Service need assault weapons to guard the President, DAH!!! HE IS THE PRESIDENT, there are people out there making out plans to kill him everyday, that is why he has the Secret Service and GUARDS, DAH!!!!. I was born in 1962, I also served my country for 20 years in the US Navy and I would have to say that I think Obama is the best President that we have had in my 50 years of living, and No I'm not black, I'm White and I also hate guns and the people who think they need them. No regular Citizen needs assault weapons, if you have them there is something wrong with you, you have mental issues, BELIEVE THAT. You say above ( Taking mine away, would put me and my loved ones, at a huge disadvantage...Or dead), why do you get shot at everyday, do you live in Compton California, do you live in some war torn town, does your house get broken into everyday, I have never needed a gun in my 50 years, and I live in a bad town, you just think you need guns from what you have been told, and also what the Constitution tells you, people who are in love with weapons have mental problems, and you can bet if they have an arsenal in there possesion that they are crazy!!!!!. Guns are stupid, wanting to have guns, ammo, body armor, bullet proof vests, magazines, you name it, YOU ARE MENTAL, CRAZY, OFF YOUR ROCKER, THE LIGHTS ARE ON BUT NO ONE IS HOME KINDA GUY.
James Holmes purchased and owned all of his weapons and ammunition 100% legally. The NRA and pro-gun lobby worked hard to allow this to happen by opposing any regulations or common-sense laws that might have prevented this or future massacres.
So lets follow your line of reasoning.. Guns are inanimate objects, used for sports, hunting and in horrible cases killing other humans. Let see something else we can use in there.. Lets say Cars.. cars are used in sports, going to the grocery store, and in horrible cases killing other humans (drunk driving)
Now the NRA supports legal owning of guns and is the lead in gun safety and security. They support gun sporting events and such. But by them backing such things you say they "worked hard to allow this to happen" And by your deductive reasoning we should all assume that anyone who supports say Nascar.. works hard in allowing innocent women and children to die in drunk driving accidents.
Just because they support certain uses with guns DOESNT MEAN they support every thing people do with guns. Are you people SO stupid that you think even if they got rid of EVERY gun in the world, people being massacred would just ... stop?
Sure criminals use guns cause guns are easy to use. Take away those and criminals will use the next easist things to use. Not that hard to poisen a water supply or create a pipe bomb out of easily obtained and LEGAL materials.
How about you worry more about the sicko's killing people, you idiotic anti gun nuts are spending all your time worrying about the TOOL used and dont even care about the people that murder women and children.. people like Cameron Ford are just "tools" not thinking anything through, just pontificating like the pompus @$$es that you are.
May the God of grace have mercy on his soul, and those of his victims.
Why didn't that "God of grace" stop him?
Same reason he didn't stop you from posting; because he gave humans free will, including morons.
Hmm... So, you want your god to let him off?
No MelJM, Jogrinder asked that God have mercy on his soul. This is part of the statements that were made before a public hanging back in the days they still did that.
They asked for mercy on his soul, not his neck.
Why is god a "he" exactly. Why are they almost always an alpha male figure; Mithra, Horus, Thor, Buddha etc.?
Why not, if God were a she would it make a difference to you, probably not, you would ask why is God a she?
God!!! Cmon people, if you are normal educated humans you should know why God did not stop this, BECAUSE THERE IS NO GOD, FREAKING WAKEUP!!!!!!!!! AND LET GO OF THIS FERRY TALE, PLEASE.
It makes me sick that so many think 911 is the all-inclusive answer to protecting one from life's threats.
All we have is a heart-breaking collection of tapes for all kinds of crimes that can't be stopped unless someone is willing to do something NOW.
I am so sick of all these freaks hurting all these innocent people, more so these precious young children, they haven't even started their life, they shouldn't have to ever be put through such pain. the parents to have the pain of the loss of their child, because of these activest against any mistreatment to all our murderers and child molesters these basturds will sit in jail while we pay for it, and the freaks that want to die and decide to take these precious people with them I hope they rot in hell, let the families have a few minutes with some of these freaks.
As I said before, Death Penalty. And do it quick! This scumbag is SOOO guilty! Hello? One needle in the arm, and don't give me that crap about the pain they might feel when it goes in!!
No need for the death penalty, psychologists can study him for the good of all mankind with him safely behind bars.
The NRA could care less about that tape. Remember, "the solution to a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun!!". Ya cuz a good guy with a gun would know exactly where to shoot in a dark chaotic movie theater not even knowing how many gunmen there are. Morons.
They'll just once again blame the media for playing it, instead of blaming the guy with the gun who actually killed the people.
Mike - 911 did not help. Turning the United States into a police State is perhaps the worst thing we could do to our children.
I'm right in the middle on this issue, I'm no NRA advocate but I understand and appreciate the complications of the 2nd amendment and the need to preserve it.
I agree that in a dark and chaotic movie theater it may have been impossible to see him. So maybe nothing could be done.
But a sharp eyed shooter with a grasp of the enormity of the situation would likely have spotted the muzzle flash, and sometimes that is all you get.
That might work if the good guy were combat trained. It wouldn't work worth a damn if he was just a week end shooter with no experience if real life threatening situations. Don't forget, the gunman was moving, walking around, hunting more victims.
At one time I was against the death penalty. Now I am wondering why we have to pay for a trial, appeal and prison time. Just take him out and cut his throat. I don't believe it is a deterrent but I think it will deter him.
Because we guarantee everyone the right to due process, the same way we guarantee freedom of speech and the right to bear arms. You cannot pick and choose. I would agree that this man is undoubtedly the killer, but once you abandon due process for one, you find it easier to abandon it for the next and the next. We are a nation of laws and we cannot abandon that for vigilante justice. Once we do that we really will become a third world country.
What I'm about to say has nothing to do with gun control, nor do I think it has anything at all to do with why this little girl was shot.....but why in the world was a 6 year old brought to this movie? I have a 6 year old boy and I can't imagine wanting to bring him to it. Take the gunman out of the equation....if I went to see an R rated movie like this (dark, violent, loud etc) I would be shocked to see a young child there. I wouldn't bring my 10 year old to see it and I probably wouldn't bring him to it if he was 12 either. Did this woman need to see this movie so badly she couldn't wait for a babysitter? I love movies, and I try to see the ones I'm really excited about in the theater, but mostly, I wait until they come out on DVD because having kids....it's just easier. I don't NEED to see a movie in the theater so badly I'd bring my young children with me. Just sayin'
Again, this whole tragedy was horrible and I feel just so sad for these people and their families. None of them deserved this. I hope they take this parasite and use him for drug testing....use him as a guinea pig. THEN lock him up and throw away the key.
The current medical records laws are what allowed him to purchase a gun. You can be denied a gun if you are under a doctors care for a mental health issue, but because there is a law not to release that information, that cannot be double checked. There are an estimated 60-80 million guns in the US. Do you actually think banning so called 'assault' weapons will change anything? The government can access your email, internet records, text messages, phone records, criminal records, but when the FBI does a background check, they cannot check to see if you are under a doctors care for a mental health issue. That doesn't make any sense at all!
It's a lot harder to shower a crowd with 27 bullets in 30 seconds if you don't have a gun in your hands.
There are millions upon millions of guns in this country. Unless you plan on going door to door and taking them, banning them does nothing!
Banning assault rifles wouldn't have kept this guy from doing what he did and it probably would have been worse if he had been shooting a .45 caliber handgun. Either way, it's a tragedy and we should be more focused on crazy people than guns.
Either way, it's a tragedy and we should be more focused on crazy people than guns.
Someone here gets it.
Should crazy people have guns... No! Should knee jerk reacting Liberal/Communists take away our gun rights, because of a rash of horrible shootings... No!
Adolph Hitler disarmed the Jew's through the Weimar Firearm Registration act. Millions of Jew's were murdered by a sucessful, industrialized nation, not unlike our own in the 1930's... Hitler was quoted as saying, "The way to conquer a nation, first disarm it's citizens."- Hitler
I live in Oregon and we had 70 murders last year. We had 40 people who were murdered from guns. The balance were kiled from hands, fists, knives, clubs etc... Even if 70 people were murdered each year from psychopaths with fully automatic weapon's, it would never add up to the MILLIONS killed by Germany in World War 2... It would never lead to the illogical decision to disarm American's... We would never be able to fight government tyrany...
We live in a country that has many similarities to Germany... All it takes is one bad Leader, and we already have THE largest military on earth. All it would take is one little press of a button... Now, imagine that military we spend 680 Billion dollars per year on, rounding up and killing American citizens, with no weapons to defend ourselves with...
Think it's just a conspiracy theory... think it couldn't happen in America... Ask the Jew's if they ever thought their people would have been rounded up like cattle, and murdered in Germany... I am quite sure they didn't see that one coming. None of us did, infact, Hitler, was Time Magazines Man of the Year in the 1930's...
I think it is fascinating that people actually think that by banning weapons from the "Good law abiding citizens, who follow laws." the crooks and murder's will follow the law! That logic is so flawed it is ridiculous.
The three most recent shooters were mentally ill.
Two of the three were using weapons that were not even their own.
we know what happened/ posting this stuff is sick to me. Tracy Conner maybe this will help your journalism career but i think its just voyeuristic and parasitic at the very least
Uh, those people didn't just die coincidentally, yes he OPENED FIRE! WTF is wrong with the justice system in this case? They need to try and figure out if there is enough evidence to convict, then need to figure out if he opened fire - are our courts really this stupid? The people saw him shooting, the guy was there, armed to the teeth, there's such a thing as cause & effect and continuity!
James Holmes was a child killer.
Characteristics of Offenders Who Violate and Assault Children
According to the Survey of Inmates of State Correctional Facilities by the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics, the following statistics have been recorded concerning the characteristics of offenders who violate and assault children.
• Those inmates who were convicted of committing violent acts against children were more like to have been white, a percentage of nearly 70%, than any other race.
• White inmates were nearly three times more likely to have victimized a child than b l a c k inmates.
• About one in every seven Hispanic convicts had been convicted for a crime against a child.
• Nearly two-thirds of convicted child m o l e s t e r s and/or offenders were or had been married.
• Child m o l e s t e r s and offenders were more likely to have grown up in a two parent home and were more likely to have been molested as a child.
• Approximately 22% of child offenders reported having been s e x u a l l y abused as a child.
Source: childprotection.lifetips.c o m
• Child m o l e s t e r s and offenders were more likely to have grown up in a two parent home and were more likely to have been molested as a child.
That's an interesting statistic. I bet "traditional" families hate that one.
I wonder what the driver is for that one? If I had to guess I'd say there's more people who force themselves to stay in unhappy marriages rather than face the consequences of divorce - and thus act out their anger against their own children - where's a single person is free to pursue happiness and not be locked into an unhappy and depressing life.
@Larry - Interesting statistics but do you think Holmes intended to kill a child? Especially since he was going to an R rated movie and there shouldn't have even been children there? I think he went to the theater to kill - period. I don't think he had any particular type of person in mind, he just went to kill. I imagine the child was "collateral damage" to Holmes. The opportunity to kill any person was what got him off.
Cutting his head off with a dull knife is the only thing this POS deserves.
To many get off on insanity, insanity or not, this human being deserves to get what's coming to him in the afterlife. NOT life in a correctional facility.
A 6-year-old at the midnight showing of "The Dark Night Rises"?
Is that even legal?
Yes, it is. Maybe not the best judgement, but I guess they paid for that. Do you feel better for pointing it out?
Actually, I thought the same thing. As horrible as the whole situation is, and as much as I want the guy to be punished, why was a 6 year old at a midnight showing of a movie that is not child appropriate?
Turn this guy loose in the general prison population and the death penalty will be carried out in a few days. When there is no doubt of guilt and the crime is this bad that is the best solution.
This movie theater and the school in Newtown were "gun free" zones so where else would a crazy person bent on killing people go? You don't see mass shootings at a police station. You don't see mass shootings at a gun range or even in local grocery store. These people are crazy but they are smart enough to know where to go if they want to create mayhem.
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I'm sure Hollywood writers are tripping over themselves to write a movie about this.
I wouldnt doubt it. I was just on Netflix today and noticed they made a movie about the D.C. Shooter.
Anything to make a buck with those people, with no mind to who they are encouraging.
Mr. LaPierre, would you care to explain why we need these types of guns that can expel so many bullets in so short a time....how would you cope if this was a relative of yours.
Instead of reacting like a typical Liberal, why not buy a history book. Look up Hitler! He used Germany's the hand gun registries, and identified the Jew's with weapons, and exterminated 20 million people. Large industrialized Nation's should all have a 2nd Amendment. It prevents government tyrany. Hitler was a Socialist, sound familiar...
@cheesy:
Hitler was fond of registering people, too, who served as scapegoats for everything that was wrong in 1939 Berlin. Gun owners object vehemently to registering their guns, but in the same breath applaud registering "mental patients." Everyone seems to be overlooking the fact that twenty percent of the population will suffer a diagnosable mental illness in any given year-- including all those new PTSD patients who survived the shooting. That's 60 million citizens uploaded into a national database for talking to a therapist or a psychiatrist. Welcome to the United Soviet States of Dumberica!
Sum Succubus - Your post is thought provoking.
Standupjokeoff - You're an idiot, with no grasp of what really prevents these kinds of terrible acts. Magazine capacity is not responsible for this terrible crime. This guy / animal has mental issues, that is what caused this. The psycho in China that stabbed 20+ children, just had a knife, no gun or high capacity magazine. I served this Country as a US Marine. I carried an M16 and many high capacity magazines and other things. I used these to protect myself, my brothers in arms and this Country. When I was honorably discharged, did I lose the right to protect myself. The bad guys in this Country are not going to carry flint lock rifles or single shot firearms. They are going to carry the most modern / advanced weapons. Taking mine away, would put me and my loved ones, at a huge disadvantage...Or dead.
If high capacity magazines and assault weapons are so bad, why do the Secret Service need them to guard the Obamas. At his children's school, they not only have Secret Service but eleven armed guards. Are his children more important than mine?
I do not want to be the one unable to defend myself and take responsibility for my own protection calling on the phone begging someone else to hurry and come save me. If even one person in that theater had had a gun this would not have happened. Why do so many people want us to be unarmed and defenseless against criminals with weapons of what ever type. Because this was after a "Gun Free" zone. Oh wait, tell me again how criminals obey laws.