Nah, lock him up and study him instead. Maybe looking past his deliberately creepy expressions and into his brain would reveal how that brain turned into something capable of mass murder. It might help us to identify and to dispose of the next would-be shooter *before* he opens fire.

The judge is going to allow cameras in the courtroom. Lovely. Now this monster will get even more attention, and the next psychopath will be encouraged by the possibility of having his own televised trial. Are we learning yet?

The last thing people should do is focus on the SYMPTOM and not the actual problem. Guns, especially big scary ones like an AR15 that havent been used in very many murders nationwide, are not the problem here, its our mental health system. But the cheapest and easiest thing for politicians to do is focus on the guns because that way it appeases everyone and really solves nothing.

'I just want to look him in the eye'

That is a waste of time and energy... this guy is in la la land...every pic or drawing they show of him, his eyes are glazed over?

Funny how those who love the 2nd amendment are willing to give up the 5th & 14th.

riley:

So what exactly is this "problem" with the mental health system? And what do you propose to do to 60 million people who have diagnosable mental illnesses ranging in severity from Internet Addiction Disorder (using the 'Net too much is a mental disorder now, yes indeed)... to full-blown Antisocial Personality Disorder (which often results in violence and crime, but would probably be better named Violent @!$%# Syndrome)? Should we just throw them all in instutitions, even that funny old lady with the poodle two doors down who chuckles to herself all day because angels are telling her how much God loves dogs because God spelled backwards is Dog? Or... what do you propose? C'mon, let's hear all about your freedom-loving plans for 60 million people regarding the mental health system. Please. :-)

My first thought was the same, he did the deed and that is indisputable, so lets get on with sentencing. As far as pleading insanity, well, of course he is, no "sane" person would do such a thing. As far as being a lab rat, Mason has revealed nothing. We didn't get much from Dalmer either.

It's called evil and there just isn't that much we can do about it.

This ones gonna cost.

If the shooter gets time in prison, it will be the victims and their families who will help pay to house and feed him through their tax dollars. Sad but true.

Sum Succubus - you've got to be kidding, right? I'm not a gun advocate in any way shape or form but to say that mental illness is not a problem in this country has got be one of the more stupid things I've seen on these comment boards.

No not every Jack, Jill or John with a mental illness should be locked up. Who suggested that besides you? Mental illness is a HUGE problem in this country, how could you debate this? This is where it starts. It's not like these kids just find a gun and immediately turn evil for cyring out loud.

Google some stories about mothers who are so afraid of their own children they have to place locks on their bedroom doors for fear of being hurt or killed because the police cant do anything until the child has actually commited a crime (aka - shooting an entrie classroom of kids).

Yes, guns are a problem, a big one. But to say mental illness isn't is just plain ridiculous. Get a clue!

SCREW PLEA DEALS WITH SCUMBAGS LIKE THIS!!!!!!!!!! It drives me insane to see any criminal, especially murderers, get a plea deal. DO THE CRIME, DO THE TIME!!!!!!!!

I served with a law enforcement agency for 5 years and quit after seeing scumbags serve a fraction of the time they should have by arranging a plea deal. One case in particular led to my resignation. A cocaine dealer slit his own 11 year old son's throat when he found out that he had been talking to us. The SOB dealer got a plea deal for manslaughter and was sentenced to 15 years. 15 YEARS FOR SLITTING THE THROAT OF HIS OWN 11 YEAR OLD SON??????????? I saw my job as meaningless after this. On a side note to show that there is justice, even if it's not in the hands of our court system, 10 months into the dealer's sentence he was shanked in the neck after other inmates found out about his crime.

I don't care if plea deals secure a conviction and save taxpayer money. IMHO, plea deals are for lazy DA's who don't want to take the time and effort of trying a suspect. Try the suspect and, once duly convicted by a jury of his peers, sentence them to a punishment befitting the crime!!!!!!!!

Think about this, even those of you against the death penalty, when a DA agrees to a plea deal, he is not only sentencing the criminal, he is sentencing YOU THE TAXPAYER for supporting scumbags such as this guy for the rest of his life. That's 22-25 THOUSAND dollars a year HONEST, HARD-WORKING, LAW ABIDING TAXPAYERS give to keep this guy alive!!!!!

If reasonable gun owners in America would speak out against the NRA and in favor of rational gun laws restricting military style weapons, their voices would carry a lot of weight to not only change the laws, but also protect the Second Amendment, and save lives like the innocent people killed in massacres like this.

Silverton,

All you are in favor of is the typical liberal knee jerk response of, "We've had a crisis, we need to apply more layers of government". Gee, that ALWAYS solves the problem, right?

And SUM I hate to tell you this but its not our access to guns thats the problem. Sure, there have recently been two horrible massacres committed where someone mentally derranged had quick access to what would be legal firearms but think about this rationally. More people were killed since the Aurora attack in falls. Mentally deficient people had access to vehicles and could have plowed through numerous people in a mass gathering. Of the 500 gun murders in Chicago, NONE of them were committed with legally owned weapons.

You people just want to pile on the laws thinking this is our savoir. When have new laws ever stopped things from happening, especially something as rare as a gun massacre, because lets face it. More people die from other things each year by a large margin than by guns but hey, why not go crazy with limiting law abiding citizens rights because of a few looney tunes, meanwhile all the criminals with still have access to their weapons.

I grew up in Virginia and have relatives there who are gun owners.

In that State which has some of the most lax gun laws in America, you can be mentally insane, stroll into any gun show, buy assault weapons with no background check, and take those weapons home that same day. Sometimes you might be asked to show your driver's license. But as long as you have the cash in hand, you are good to go.

Hello sea2see, they are called sheeple. Without any knowledge of what occurred that night, only what they hear from the presstitutes they base their judgements. After the shooting a local news agency interviewed two people who were in the theater and they claim there was more than one shooter involved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_ODW4JG9y8&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=wc8HGPfF8ow

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=urrRcgB581w

They should execute him immediatelyin public...They should sell tickets and broadcast the execution on payperview...give the monies to the victims families.

Let all the bad guys see what happens...firing squad style public execution

Closing the gun show loop hole is one thing (which I support). Limiting the majority of people who would own such weapons that are responsible gun owners is only removing another mode of security from the citizenry. Every gun serves a specific purpose. People will scream, "yes, and that is to kill another human being." That's very much not the case; though if I'm confronted in a scenario where I would have to take another human life to preserve mine and/or my family's... It's them or me at that point, and rightfully so. The problem I see with all of the new proposed anti-gun laws is that anti-gun nuts are the ones pioneering them. These people have no experience with them and base their decisions on fear rather than rational thought; unless they are politicians, in which case they're just posturing for support and future votes. As we continue to see over and over again, we cannot legislate evil out of the populous. We can only prepare for it and meet it head on. If more people would take this stance; it's my honest opinion that those committing these heinous acts would be far less brazen in doing so. Also, as others have said, these types are receiving far too much publicity, heightening the likelihood of copycat offenders. Actions need to be taken to secure our nation's citizenry, but incrementally chipping away at the second (perhaps one of the most important) or any other constitutional amendment is not the way to go. A minority of our society is sick. Let's treat the sickness, not it's symptoms.

TrustVerify,

Good grief. Does EVERYTHING have to be a conspiracy?

Why, for crying out loud, would somebody try to keep it a secret if there were two or three murderers, instead of one?

If teachers get to take their guns to school then i should get to carry mine were ever i want also...plus why would anyone carry a pistol?? After all dont ya want the most deadly weapon if your expecting trouble?? I sure wouldnt carry a pistol if i thought i may go up against an "AR" style weapon...plus we'll all need body armor now, because if the bad guys have them, i want one too, and then maybe some hand grenades, because bad guys may have those, and maybe i'll need a flame thrower also, an anti personnel mines while we're at it maybe i need an armored car, a tank should surfice...these are all the things i should need to survive in the land of paranoia

Whatever we do here to try and ensure another Aurora or another Newtown or wherever such atrocities will occur in the future, we are never going to win because no matter what we do, its a case of closing the door after the horse has bolted.

The 2nd amendment which is the law of the land in the USA; it cannot be transcended or interpreted is absolute and says that all citizens have the right to bear arms outside the control of state maintained militia.

That being said, it does not mean that common sense goes out of the window. While it is an uncompromisable right, it is not nevertheless mandatory and does not mean that you can actually "have" such a weapon if you don't pass state mandated background checks. All the 2nd amendment says is you have the right.

There are always going to be mal-adjusted morons and mentally off people out there who have no business being in any kind of proximity to a weapon of mass destruction which basically ANY gun is, but assault weapons especially so. Assault weapons are designed for one purpose and one purpose only.....to kill, and should only be in the hands of those whose jobs it is to protect our security at home and abroad. If we can get this ban re-established it will be one less chink in the armor for would be killers no matter what the NRA says.

So while its not going to solve the problems that resulted in Aurora and Newtown - would be killers would still have access to guns, but it would reduce their options in terms of being able to mow down people as relentlessly as has thus been shown.

In order to protect those that cannot do so against guns, short of scrapping the 2nd amendment (which I know is a throw away comment since that is never going to happen) is to ensure that all locations have armed guards posted to "dissuade" would be killers from being able to unleash their brand of havoc.

This combined with more strenuous and exhaustive background screening to the extent that no home owner may keep ANY gun in their home should even family members have a mental instability or inability to control their actions and the means and manner in which firearms and ammunition are secured be tightened to prevent unauthorized access.

While people have access to guns, this problem is never going to go away, but the only way to fight fire is with fire.

Clive

Clive -

Good post, but keep in mind that the reason the "assault weapons ban" was not extended was because the data indicated that it was not effective.

Do some research on number of incidents, or body count if you prefer, caused by these evil-looking wepons. What you will find is that the numbers are very low.

Our gun-death rate is overwhelmingly skewed by gang-related shootings in major urban areas with (mostly cheap) handguns.

Silverton, That's not necessarily a "conspiracy." I remember after the shooting took place that they were investigating the possibility of accomplices in the act; whether direct or indirect. I'm not sure what point TrustVerify was trying to make with that post though.

@mpa-4893349

Thanks for the compliments :)

I hear what you say, but as a humanitarian, I don't make connections between statistics and people. While the body count, maiming, injuries, call it what you will may well indeed be low in the bigger picture, to my minds eye, the fewer means of killing available to the average Joe, the better because you are paying it forward and preventing at least some future atrocities and that is the ultimate goal.

If I had my way, and short of becoming President with powers of vito which will never happen for me especially since I am not American by birth, the entire 2nd amendment would be scrapped, nobody would be able to have a gun, buy a gun, bear a gun who was not legally entitled to do so as a matter of National Security. After all a gun is but for one purpose only and this is not the Wild West anymore.

You can use the self defense premise as long as you like but ultimately if you a pull a gun on someone who is armed, someone is more likely to get killed than if someone is just posturing with a gun to get their way (I am talking about home break ins here, not the mass killings of late)

Even if it went to this extent, the black market is still as much alive (if not more so) than ever so elicit items will always be available to those in the know and have money but if the black market becomes the only avenue open, then the average or mentally off Joe will not have access to these and such events that have played out in recent times are much less likely to occur.

You could imply that I am saying all of this since I am originally from a country where citizens may not bear arms (UK) but my wife who has lived here in USA (OH) all her life will not even look at a gun let alone consider having one in the house and was shocked to discover that her mother had been harboring a 1942 Luger that her own uncle had removed from a WWII German prisoner of war which still had a full ammo clip inserted with a bullet in the chamber. It was donated to a museum but I'm just making a point. Not all born Americans look at the 2nd Ammd. with the same clarity.

Clive

BlaaDeeDah,

If you take a look at several of TrustVerify's posts, they are all indicative of paranoid delusional thinking.

This is the type of person that should NOT be stockpiling weapons or allowed to own military style assault weapons. Could be harmless, but potentially very dangerous.

Clive -

You and I completely disagree on the 2nd amendment, and I am not going to try to change your mind.

I also believe that public policy should be based on statistics (facts) and not on emotion.

BUT, it is a pleasure to communicate with a reasoned individual on these threads. Only happens occasionally.

This scumbag has 2 months to decide how he will plea? The victims were killed within a matter of seconds/minutes. Justice - what a crock (in this case.)

@mpa-4893349

Well of course the 1st ammd guarantees that you can say and feel what you like about the 2nd ammd or indeed anything else in the constitution or anything else in this country :)

Likewise I would not even attempt to change your thoughts or leanings on what is right or wrong.

I was just throwing in my opinion to the mixing pot.

I will say that people are not statistics.....people are people, and life above all and its preservation is sacrisanct. I am not opining on a religious nature, that just the way I feel.

I do thank you again for your courteous reponse though - and agree that it is quite a rare occurance indeed to find rationale when reading a lot of comments, not just in this story but most that get posted.

Have a good day !!

Clive

Hello Silverton, now you are a psychologist as well? When someone doesn't agree with you, you have only one response, FEAR. That's how they get the sheeple to advocate for civil liberty cutting measures. They think they are getting a little perceived security for giving up their civil liberties. It's called problem - reaction - solution.

Problem - People are getting killed by unstable people on psychotropic drugs.

Reaction - People are fearful and want their government to get involved.

Solution - Let's get rid of the guns and maintain Big Pharma's psychotropic drugs.

This is the same ploy used over and over again.

And on queue comes along the Silverton's. We need more laws to contain the violence, anyone that says anything against the government is paranoid and must me minimized.

When I hear people talk about “gun violence,” I wonder what has happened to language. A gun is an inanimate object. An inanimate object cannot cause violence. Humans cause violence. The relevant question is: why do humans cause violence? This obvious question seldom gets asked. Instead, inanimate objects are blamed for the actions of humans.

TrustVerify,

Keep talking.

As long as people like you fear the government and are all talk and no action, then innocent people will continue to die and their families will continue to suffer.

As to all your psycho-babble ...

Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Just GET A ROPE!

@trust/verify

the old adage that guns don't cause violence, humans cause violence is as old as the hills. One that is answered over and over with a simple yes and so what - that premise is never in question, but you are using it as a singular argument.

"Gun Violence" is completely accurate if you realise its simply being used as a social idiom so you don't need to explain the obvious that guns are inanimate objects.....yada yada yada. There's no language issue in answer to that, its simply a level of understanding.

I think you are the only one who brought up psychotropic drugs and well Big Pharma will always be out there if thats the way you want to view it and will always be dispensing such drugs until they reintroduce sectioning or involuntary detainment of mentally unstable people on a more wider scale than it used to be. (Yes that is a shot across the bows of our sadly lacking mental health provisions)

Guns are instruments of death and killing - that is what guns are designed to be - so if we want to prevent access of such items to people who have no business having a gun, it seems perfectly logical to therefore expect sane minded people to consider the notion that perhaps removing guns from society as to be a move forward in cases like this. I don't mean there cannot be gun clubs and the such where if you want to go shoot off some rounds in a secure environment but the 2nd amendment puts pay to that - therefore, measures HAVE to be taken to combat the idiots out there and it has nothing to do with the FEAR of this or that, its simply common sense, something which there is a sad lack of these days.

Clive

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'I just want to look him in the eye'

That is a waste of time and energy... this guy is in la la land...every pic or drawing they show of him, his eyes are glazed over?

I think he's acting and does that on purpose. He sure as heck knew what he was doing the day he killed all those people.

Us "libbies" are coming for your guns gun nuts

Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!

NOP! We are not going to take your weapons at all. We just want to prevent you from purchasing more weapons of mass destruction.

When people like you laughs so much at one single statement, as shown above, there is serious doubt that you are capable of handling a semiautomatic weapon designed to kill people in seconds.

Firstly any weapon is designed to kill if used properly. Secondly, your idea of regulations does absolutely NOTHING to take illegal weapons off the streets. Chicago has had over 500 gun murders and ALL of them have been committed using illegal weapons that regulations will do nothing about. Third, any society who is disarmed is feeble and afraid and easy to manipulate but oh hey thats right, Obama already decided to keep the Patriot Act and read your emails, tap your phones and conduct warrantless searches of homes so I guess we are already living in the world you want us to have.

Obviously if it is called a weapon by definition it is designed to kill.

500 gun murders in Chicago made with 100% illegal weapons, this I seriously doubt is factually correct.

Third is your opinion.

Your solution is do nothing and let our children be killed...that is really feeble!

good luck with that leroy. you are one ignorant sob if you think thats gonna happen. i could kill you with a shovel. should we take them away too??

Weapons are designed to kill as we have already established, shovels are designed to dig but they can be used as a weapon. This is called a false equivalent and is often used by people who have poor reasoning ability or whose argument won't hold water. The rest of us are so tired of this non argument. Children are dieing and your solution is to nothing because you think cars and shovels are the same as a gun!

What's "ignorant," Glock is that you took my statement seriously and can't see that I was poking fun at you gun nuts' stupidity and irrational fears that this actually is the agenda.

Will the NRA be attending the trial?

Riley get your facts straight. That is over 500 homicides. Not all of them were with guns.

And sea to see "weapon so it is meant to kill" seriously? Weapon - a method of defense. Not always a killer.

Talk to the Hand...get your facts straight. You think Chicago's Black Gangster Disciples (of which there are 17,000 members, with amost 70,000 gangmembers city wide which have access to hundreds of thousands of illegal weapons many of which were smuggled into the US by Mexican cartels) use switchblades to commit these murders? Are you home schooled?

From 1985-94, there were 173 mass shootings and 766 victims. From 1995-04 (starting with 1995 because it was the first full year the gun ban law was in effect), there were 182 mass shootings and 830 victims. Clearly the assault weapons ban in Chicago, which listed banned arms more on their scary appearance than any deadly potential, had no effect.

This past week, the city achieved a melancholy landmark: 500 murders have occurred here this year. 87% percent of these murders, or 435 of them, were committed with guns. Chicago, which has racked up more murders than any other American city this year, has been called "the murder capital of America" (though, to be pedantic about it, it does not have the country's highest murder rate. New Orleans enjoys that dubious distinction). The violence here is getting steadily worse; the murder rate is a stunning 19% higher than it was in 2011. A total of 2,400 shootings have been reported to Chicago police this year, most of which were committed by gang members.

AND HOW WAS RESTRICTING LEGAL CITIZENS ACCESS TO GUNS GOING TO REDUCE THIS MURDER RATE AGAIN?

Actually Riley, most of the weapons seized in Chicago were bought locally and in Indiana. How they get into the hands of gang members is the problem. I disagree with the term "illegal weapons." Almost all of these weapons are purchased legally by someone.

Trying this guy is a waste of Friggen Time.You people don't get it! At the time of the shooting this guy was so drugged up he didn't even know what time of year it was, or what year he was in.

As far as putting these families through hell It's Not Worth It!

Talk this piece of Garbage into pleading guilty,save the families GRIEF,The Tax Payers Money, and be done with it.

leroy brown you're nothing more than an agitater, instigator, and you're no better than this guy who did the shootings.You're on here laughing like a maniacal maniac.Don't you people realize what is coming down the pike? Don't you laughing clowns realize what's about to happen.No you don't?

A lot of people are going to get killed in this country,it's called a Civil War,and WHY? Just because for the mere fact they owned a gun,were law abiding people, and wanted to protect themselves,put food on the table for their families,which by they way they still are doing.ALL OF THESE RIGHTS are guaranteed in the Constitution,the law of the LAND. No god dam supposedly elected president or filthy politician has the right to try and over ride the Civil Rights of Citizens in this country,that are embedded in that Constitution,and put there for a reason! NOBODY!

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You people think it's so funny? You're not going to be laughing,when that Conflict Starts. Millions of people are fed up with the Anti Civil Rights Marxist Political BS,in this Country,and the Filthy Scum Dirt Bag politicians running it into the ground.

You and your kind are so dumbed down and ignorant you haven't a clue of the Confligration that's about to fall on this country.

gman61 you're wrong,extremely wrong. 90% of the weapons used by gang members are ILLEGAL,or stolen from people who have them legally!Stop trying to spread a pile of steaming stinking Bull Crap!

Ok, Riley, let's adopt your logic to solve the problem. Let's just hand AK-47s and AR-15s to every man, woman and child in the US. We should all be mandated by law to take our assault rifles to work, shopping, school, church, everywhere we go, right? Perhaps we should also declare the Firearm God religion, and worship its all powerful giant statue. Then when we self destruct after descending into a Somalia or Syria type apocalypse, people like you can just say: "Well, the founding fathers must have meant for this to happen".

Do you seriously believe that back in 1776 what they really meant by the 2nd. amendment was for every citizen to have at his or her disposal the firepower of entire battalions in 18th century terms?

The problem with most gun wackos is that they are absolutists. It's assault rifles everywhere, for everyone, or nothing.

You guys are lunatics.

Jay, the point of the second amendment was to allow citizens to have equal footing with the hardware of the military. This way, we could fight a tyrannical government/military. If the British had Assault Rifles, so would we. If the Brits had spaceships, so would we. If the Brits had Lasers, so would we.

The advanced hardware at the time was the musket, a weapon capable of killing a person faster than any other existing tech they could get their hands on that was still portable. They didn't say "well gee, I don't think civilians should be aloud to take a life that fast... Swords for everyone! That way you can all have a fair chance against each other and not Government or invaders!" But you leftists seem to imply this exact logic.

If you imply that they would have said "oh, well, these could kill a lot of people so they shouldn't be allowed to have them" then you are a fool. We were a starting country in a weak position, we would have taken nuclear weapons and AR-15s if they were available.

You seem to think that anyone pro gun wants to give guns to children, the usual leftist twisting of words. If you even listened to defecation you spew out of your mouth, you would realize how stupid that sounds.

Net I know you idiots will say "well let's just let ANYONE own a nuclear weapon!" So be it. Legal or not, you wouldn't have a dream of acquiring one, anyway.

Do tell me the process of buying/building one and EXACTLY how much it costs?

You call us lunatics, yet you guys are the ones who came up with giving assault rifles to children.

How absurd.

Sea2sea, in the right hands ( a majority in this nation) weapons are used to defend, not to kill out of malice or any other unwarranted reason. Not much you can do against an onslaught if you're disarmed though.

You would be history if you try that where I live! If I did not get you my neighbors or the sheriff would. The sheriff here swears he will jail run off or shoot anyone trying to confiscate our guns

Jay-2150677

Ok, Riley, let's adopt your logic to solve the problem. Let's just hand AK-47s and AR-15s to every man, woman and child in the US. We should all be mandated by law to take our assault rifles to work, shopping, school, church, everywhere we go, right? Perhaps we should also declare the Firearm God religion, and worship its all powerful giant statue. Then when we self destruct after descending into a Somalia or Syria type apocalypse, people like you can just say: "Well, the founding fathers must have meant for this to happen".

Do you seriously believe that back in 1776 what they really meant by the 2nd. amendment was for every citizen to have at his or her disposal the firepower of entire battalions in 18th century terms?

The problem with most gun wackos is that they are absolutists. It's assault rifles everywhere, for everyone, or nothing.

The two most peaceful countries, Switzerland and Israel where everyone carries a weapon above the age of 18. Who is the lunatic now Jay? You people just want to restrict weapons so that all law abiding citizens dont have them when the criminals run the streets like in Chicago Heights where break ins were up 66% after guns were outlawed in 1994.

Oh and GMAN 61, most of the illegal weapons are exported out of places like Mexico where Uzis, Mac 10s and AK47s are fully auto and sold to gang connections by cartels. Straw purchases at gun shows have shown to account for less than 1% of street weapons.

You guys are lunatics.

Pardon me, but the topic isn't abortion, or cars, it's about guns. So spare us the usual diversion tactics and stick to the topic, please.

But... what the hell, I'll bite the bait anyway:

Cars:

You need to be a minimum age to use them; not so with guns. A five year old can be taken to the shooting range, legally. This is nuts in and of itself. We don't let five-year-olds drive cars under supervision, so why do we let them use guns?

Cars are not designed to kill; they do so when drive recklessly, while drunk, or because of human error. Guns are made for one thing: killing. As cars are efficient at transportation, guns are efficient at killing. Cars are not the weapon of choice for mass murderers for a reason, ya know what I mean, Vern?

To drive a car: Certain health conditions (like epilepsy) automatically preclude your legal privilege to drive. You have to take a driver's safety course, pass it, pass a license exam and road test, get a photo ID / license to drive, license and insure the vehicle, register the vehicle, be a minimum age to drive it, and excessive misuse of the vehicle will cost you your license. On the other hand, anyone who can pass a cursory 15-minute background check and flip out a credit card at a gun shop can walk out with an AR-15, thirty-round magazines, and hundreds of bullets. No license, no registration, no insurance, no nothing. Why don't we regulate guns as well as we do cars?

Knives:

Again, they serve many purposes other than hurting and killing people. I don't think that you cut your bread with an AR-15, do you? No? Didn't think so. It's made for one purpose: Killing-- mainly humans, at that.

You know, I don't leave a knife lying around for a kid to find, though. Do you? (Oh yeah, you take your kids shooting; never mind). In the same way, restricting access to guns prevents injuries and deaths. Oh, yes, yes it does! It really does! That's why we don't have grenades going off in the streets, ya know what I mean, Vern? So maybe we shouldn't have guns going off in our schools, either. How? By making guns really, really hard to get, and making gun owners lock them up at a gun club or else go to prison, too, when a criminal gets ahold of it and uses it to commit a crime. Responsibility, you see. Just like you'd go to jail if you let a child fall into your swimming pool because you didn't think it fair that you had to spend the money on a pool fence. See? No?

Abortion:

Huh????

But really, you're just changing the topic, so yeah, compare those apples and oranges some more for us. I just thought that I'd play with the illogic a little to have fun with you.

You can expect people with no sense to make sensible arguments.

You can't expect people who hold indefensible positions to be reasonable.

You can't expect people who think their guns will make a difference when the "tyrant" comes to have any more grasp on reality than Chicken Little.

Even after hearing this argument a thousand times, I still don't get it. Cars kill a lot of people. What does that have to do with assault weapons? Cars killed more people last year than nuclear weapons, napalm, and mustard gas combined. Should we just make everything legal simply because cars and baseball bats kill a lot of people.

Also, is it possible to punish criminals AND restrict their access to assault weapons at the same time? Or do we have to pick on or the other?

Another thing that I still don't understand: Is someone trying to take pistols and shotguns from Wrong's kids or is this just about assault rifles? Is the argument that first they'll come for the assault weapons and then they'll come for the rest of our weapons? I honestly don't understand.

Marc -

"Another thing that I still don't understand: Is the argument that first they'll come for the assault weapons and then they'll come for the rest of our weapons? I honestly don't understand."

That is certainly part of the argument.

Marc -

"Another thing that I still don't understand: Is the argument that first they'll come for the assault weapons and then they'll come for the rest of our weapons? I honestly don't understand."

That is certainly part of the argument.

If that's "all they can do," why do I see dozens and dozens and dozens of articles about unrelated topics on their front page and elsewhere?

Maybe it's all you can do, focus on the gun stories. LOL

You hit that nail on the head. The hand is quicker than the eye.

Abracadabra, watch yor pay checlk and 401K vanish while your enemies get stronger.

Yeah I know. Its all the media's fault that we are awash in guns in this country, couldn't be the nra and all the gun nuts out there.

Umm, that would be the Norway. You know they hire a "pal" for their mass murderers there once they incarcerate them? You know, play chess, hang out . . .

mpa - I couldn't find where Norwegians "hire a pal for their mass murderers" but I did see where prisons in Norway resemble resorts. Thank you for shedding a little light on something of which I knew nothing.

I still stand on my belief that it is wrong for law-abiding citizens be required to pay for food, clothes, and housing those who CHOOSE to "go against the grain."

you kind of have to have a screw louse to shoot up a theater of people. Even if the insanity defense works, the only thing it will change is the kind of prison he goes to.

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If it's evidence it'll probably be available after the trial, or through a freedom of information act request.

This idea of an impending NWO sneaking into power due to public outcry following tragedy is nothing new, and yet we still hear the same paranoid claims, "look out, this will be the real one!"

Sounds familiar but i can't remember where from (/sarcasm)

Just once I would like for the gun-grabbers to answer this question:

Why is it that our violent crime rate has declined over the last decade even as the number of guns and gun owners has increased?

Oh, didn't know that violent crime is way down (nearly 50%)? Wonder why not. Maybe because the media sensationalizes every use of a gun?

Doubt these claims? Go to DOJ website and read the statistics (ccompiled by the FBI).

Oh, and don't forget to ask yourselves why Congress didn't extend the "assault weapons ban?" (Hint: The facts showed that it didn't reduce the numbers.)

People don't like uncertainty, it's uncomfortable to think that one day somebody could just snap and kill a bunch of people. or that a child could naturally develop a life threatening illness, it's much easier to connect dots regardless of any actual association.

Like a girl this is the lefty libby way.You should know this! Hung by the neck until death is what it should be!

Did you fall asleep or loose interest after reading the 2nd amendment, how about the 5th & 14th?

As a so-called Catholic, you ought to know better! What good is any religion that preaches forgiveness wishes death on someone, but if truth be told, religion, God, and especially Catholicism were and still are the leading causes of death throughout recorded history! All the biggest and bloodiest wars, massacres, and destruction of human life have taken place because someone answered the wrong way on the God question, or chose the "wrong "God" or religion!

That's part of the problem. You so-called "law-abiding" preach-one-thing-but-do-another religious types that spit on your own bible and break every rule in it! So now it's these so-called "law abiders" versus criminals and crazy people? do you see how stupid look and sound for even saying such things? Where do you think these people come from? Where do YOU come from?

Ah, Kenny -

"if truth be told" - first fallacy of your post.

"religion, God, and especially Catholicism were and still are the leading causes of death throughout recorded history! All the biggest and bloodiest wars, massacres, and destruction of human life have taken place because someone answered the wrong way on the God question, or chose the "wrong "God" or religion!" - Hitler, Stalin, Mao? All papists, of course . . .

I am not sure I follow all that, but one thing I agree with, new gun laws are not going to help much.

I think that schools should have armed guards or firearms available to responsible adults, much like fire extinguishers.

Disarming responsible citizens is not the answer to disarming psychos who arm themselves illegally in almost every case.

Why 2 weeks? :)