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An elderly couple was slain inside their Florida home, police said.
The pair was due to meet neighbors for lunch Wednesday but never showed up, according to investigators. When the neighbors attempted to visit their friends in the Three Islands neighborhood of Hallandale Beach, Fla., a day later, they found the bodies.
Police were notified at about 6:30 p.m. on Thursday. The couple was aged in their early 70s.
The victims were "snowbirds" who were originally from Canada but live in Florida during the winter, neighbors said.
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My friggin' Florida again! It's the water! Canadian snowbirds are very welcome in S. Florida. Great people. Maybe they should arm themselves. Yes, ANGRY birds.
In this case I would be more inclined to believe it was in the water they were drinking before they drifted up on Florida's shores.
Hallandale Beach is a city right near Miami; it is a middle class , really nice retirement community; for several years now the influx of Haitians, other west indies islanders have grown in huge numbers, not to mention the out of control drug trade in the Miami area, the very strong Cuban community(Spanish not Hispanics), have been vocal in attempting to bring order to the area, no doubt this was a armed robbery, where they decided not to leave a witness.t
....illegal immigration has helped to turn Miami into a cesspool
Same here in Crowdifornia! You can thank the Libs and the LARGE voting base Obama has!
Arm themselves? How could a Canadian get a gun there to arm themselves. They could get one and then Obama would sign an exective order to seize it. I think Ted Nugent had it right. A good guy with a gun is the only way to stop a bad guy with a gun. Just my thoughts.
Copy that my brotha....
Maybe the Canadian snowbirds could get guns from "off the street?" Hey, nothing is forcing the criminals to get guns legally.
No? Don't like that idea, eh? Take off.
OK, how about this. When armed intruders break in to a "how-oos" (it's how they say, "house" up there) and are dispatched by an armed resident who is home frying backbacon for breakfast, the criminals' guns could be held in a pool for loan or rental to Canadian tourists?
And that is not making light of the tragedy, by the way. God Bless them and their families.
Paranoia is a mental illness which the NRA blames for random shootings, seems to want everybody cured of and the rest of us protected from. Do you have many other thoughts of anxiety or fear to the point of irrationality and delusions?
Do sane or rational people go on random shooting sprees? Even if they were perfectly "normal" up to that point, when the shooting starts it's called "temporary insanity".
I have several Canadian friends who hunt with me in the States. They bring shotguns and rifles with them every time they come down to hunt. Yes, they CAN possess guns legally in this country.
....And as far a the rabid gun issue goes, read this interesting article sent to me by a friend. We both support our gun rights. More laws will not do a thing to stop the violence.
After Newtown, Conn., parents cried out, “What’s making our children kill?” But it is not our children who are killing. It is our sons. All but one of the 62 mass killings in the past 30 years was committed by boys or men.
We respond by blaming guns, our inattentiveness to mental health, violence in the media or video games, or family values. Yes, all are players, but our daughters are able to find the same guns in the same homes, are about as likely to be mentally ill, have the same family values and are exposed to the same violence in the media. Our daughters, however, do not kill. Why the difference?
Start with suicide. Each mass murder is also a suicide. Boys and girls at age 9 are almost equally likely to commit suicide; by age 14, boys are twice as likely; by 19, four times; by 24, more than five times. The more a boy absorbs the male role and male hormones, the more he commits suicide. NO MANLY MODEL For boys, the road to successful manhood has crumbled. In many boys’ journey from a fatherless family to an almost all- female staff elementary school such as Sandy Hook, there is no constructive male role model.
Adam Lanza is reported to have gone downhill when divorce separated him from his dad. Children of divorce without enough father contact are prone to have poor social skills; to struggle with the five D’s ( depression, drugs, drinking, discipline and delinquency); be suicidal; be less able to concentrate; and to be aggressive but not assertive. Perhaps most important, these boys are less empathetic.
And just while their bodies are telling them that girls are the most important things in the world, these boys are locked into failure. Boys with a “failure to launch” are invisible to most girls. With poor social skills, the boys feel anger at their fear of being rejected and self- loathing at their inability to compete. They “end” this fear of rejection by typing “free video porn” into Google and working through the quarter- billion options. Online “success” increases the pain of real world failure. FRAGILE FANTASY SUCCESS So, too, with these boys’ relationships with video games. While girls average a healthy five hours a week on video games, boys average 13. The problem? The brain chemistry of video games stimulates feel- good dopamine that builds motivation to win in a fantasy while starving the parts of the brain focused on real- world motivation. He’ll win at Madden football, but participate in no sport.
It’s time we go beyond fighting over guns to raising our sons. With one executive order, President Obama can create a White House Council on Men and Boys to work with the Council on Women and Girls he formed in 2009. Why? No one part of government or the private sector has a handle on the solution.
A coordinated strategy is best developed at the White House level. The mere formation of such a council by the president alerts foundations, companies, families, teachers and therapists that our sons’ “failure to launch” needs to be on their agenda. And politically, an effort to go beyond the rote ideological disagreements of the two parties could help build the unity to actually do something instead of fight to a standstill in a closely divided country.
There are few things a culture does as important as raising children. We can’t continue to fail half of them.
Warren Farrell is author of Why Men Are the Way they Are. He is coauthoring a book with John Gray, titled Boys to Men.
There is a LOT more to this issue than the "Knee Jerk" reaction by our gun grabbing politicians and the ass hole news media blather we hear daily.
A very unfortunate event. I just wonder why the Chicago shootings on New Years Day were not nationally broadcast? Three killed and twelve wounded in fifteen different shootings. Gun control anyone?
I agree with many of the comments made prior to this. People must be able to protect themselves especially with the drug trade increasing. Drugs have been illegal for many years, but has it solved the drug problems? No! If they try to take good people's guns we will just be overrun by the criminals.
Agree Waldo. There is woman author who wrote a book on the issue of girlifying the boys. Her point is the same as yours, that boys need to be in the company of responsible adult males, their own father being the main one. Unfortunately, society has broken down the family structure and households where the Father is the man in the house raising the children along with Mother is an oddity now. People refer to them as dinosaurs. Divorce is just another dating plan. 50% of all babies born in the US in 2011 were to so called "single moms", over 70% in the African American community. The guys are fathering babies they have no intention to support or even visit. It's just free sex to them. Send the baby making bills to Medicaid. In Connecticut the Mother scored a very nice house through divorce and had a son with mental problems. So she collected guns and took him to the range an taught him how to handle and use 'em. Bad idea ! She died for her mistake. Before family life got destroyed, responsible men brought up by responsible men would take a kid like that and teach him to fix a car, make furniture, photography, go fishing, play ball. The last thing men did 30 years ago and before would be to load a mentally incompetent person up with guns and access to guns. Just maybe the mother's decision ability and her ability to assess was part of the cause of divorce. Guns for the mentally unstable ! Welcome to modern 'Merica!
Waldo
Very well said and I agree with you!
Actually....the best way to stop a bad guy with a gun (breaking into your house) is with an alarm. They are loud and they tend to keep the intruders out without causing the emotional issues of the home owner confronting a 'bad guy' and then potentially killing them.
I have a friend who is in his late 60s... Two men broke into his home and were carried out with sheets over them... Nothing like a well armed citizen.
Canadian citizens? so for the "criminal entrepreneurs".. business is so brisk now that they have to import victims?
gm Tramp
How much you wanna bet that the fact they were Canadian (less likely to be armed) played a part in their being chosen as victims?
Nothing like an unarmed victim when you want to pull a home invasion type robbery. My condolences to the families and friends of the victims. I sincerely hope the next potential victim of who ever the killer or killers are well armed and do not hesitate to put a stop to the criminals.
Maybe with the snowbird car rental,they also could get a snowbird gun rental
.After a 2 hrs class on gun safety and hitting a target,they could be on their way to Florida.
When thei return the car,the gun should be returned also, then in Canada there is no crime.
I was thinking somewhere along the same lines but my thought covers the ones driving down. I applied to the state of Florida to set up gun rentals, target practice and of course the required 5 minute course on gun safety, Florida laws and how not to shoot yourself in the foot, in the turnpike service plazas and rest stops on I75 and I95. Of course payment can be made with your Sunpass. I recommend insurance for the guns because most honest law abiding citizens can't seem to hold on to them and this insurance will cover you not turning it back in. Of course we don't track them down either - just write them off as a loss and let the cops figure out where it went and what crime that was committed with it.
Actually Canadians can own high power rifles for hunting those huge deer, elk, moose and bears. You can even take your guns there on a hunting trip if you have a passport, money and reservations. And it is good hunting! I'm not sure of all the laws but I think handguns are very hard to obtain unless you are law enforcement. Either way we all know the best self defense inside a home is a handgun for lack of its bulkiness. But then again if you shoot someone with a 30-06 they are going down. The bottom line here is how NBC has reported this, most likely these innocent snow birds were beat or stabbed to death since no cause of death was reported. My step-mothers parents were snowbirds just the same, great people, what a tragedy these couldn't defend themselves or be protected by liberals who want to ban guns. Every death like this will fall on anti-gun liberals when Mr. Obama makes his executive order.
Actually, Joe Done, the best weapon for home defense is a shotgun.
This couple was probably a lot more concerned about enjoying their retirement then worrying about home intrusion. Two 70 year olds with a shotgun sounds more dangerous (to all) then the killers. Nice way to end ones retirement after years of waiting. It truly sucks.
Nobody, including our president, wants to ban ALL guns. Please stop spreading this falsehood. But there is NO reason for a hunter or home owner to have a multiple-round automatic or semi-automatic gun. If a hunter needs a semi or fully automatic for hunting, he/she would do well to attend a few hours at a target shooting range. And who wants to kill an animal with 10 - 30+ shots anyway. The carcass would be worthless, either for eating or mounting as there wouldn't be much left of the carcass. This large type of weapon is too clumsy to use for protection, as others have pointed out. Hand guns are much better for that reason alone. Banning these assault-type weapons and requiring the presently owned ones to be registered could go along way towards getting them out of the gang members hands. Then if a murder is committed by one of them, an extra 10 year or so penalty could be assessed. Eventually the gang members' assault weapon caches would dwindle down.
How about too many nut cases and criminals with guns in Florida? How about doing more background checks on those who buy guns and ammo?
Good idea. Even waiting periods. But to tell a law abiding citizen without even a parking ticket and no mental health problems that they cannot buy a gun they want is simply wrong. It's wrong and everyone knows it but still they try now to stop it. Why don't you ask HLS why they need 430 million rounds of ammo. Why they have ordered 130 million rounds of .223 ammo? You trust them more than a citizen who has never in their life done anything wrong?
Most of us bleeding heart liberals have no problem with responsible citizens, whose backgrounds are thoroughly checked, legally owning a registered gun for home protection. Nor do we have a problem with responsible hunters owning guns for that purpose (heck I live in rural PA, I am happy that people hunt; wish more did, there are dead deer all over the roads here!!)
What we want is to put a stop to the sale of guns to any Tom, Dick and Harriet, and the sale of military-style assault weapons. And we want major penalties to those possessing unregistered guns and/or committing crimes using guns.
It only makes sense to check thoroughly. However the media has been attacking a style of gun and magazine capacity and ignoring checking. Law abiding citizens do not care if there are checks and waiting periods. We do care however when the media creates a BS hysteria and every liberal jumps on it because they hate guns...period.
homesick yank,
Yes, you are absolutely right. And it is heartening to see reasonable gun owners speaking out now against the NRA and in favor of rational gun laws.
The problem is "rational gun laws" is code. Background check me then some liberal rag runs a list of gun owners. They have zero idea as to why I would want a gun yet they deem themselves judge and jury.
In reality I do not own a gun but oddly all of this talk from Biden and Obama has me very seriously considering getting one. When they come to take it I will let them know that it was "stolen" so I no longer have it. Along with the 1,000 rounds I will stock pile. It truly looks like a conspiracy. Find an emotional issue then figure out your political angle to win more control and launch it.
No, I don't think gun owners should be listed publically, that is a bad idea. But I am not against registered weapons. I think that is a good idea.
Joe, "every liberal" does NOT hate guns. That is a lie spread by the Right Wingers.
Kal, I suppose you think Sandy Hook was a set-up by the government, along with 911. You conspiracy theorists could make a conspiracy out of your grandma going to visit an elderly male gentleman! Scheez! And if you actually do buy a gun and use the excuse "it was stolen" when it actually wasn't and it's found in your home or on your person, you'd have found a way to get 3 hots and a cot for a long time.
Does anybody in their Right Mind think a Criminal is going to give up HIS gun. Come on folks, wake up. Gun control will only take guns away from honest citizens who have them to protect themselves. The problem is with the Libs who will not put a murderer to death. If we had a death law that acted swiftly after a verdict then we wouldnt be having so many murders. But as the law is now a murderer can spend thirty years on death row. Case in point is the Fat slob recently who got "Excused" from being executed because he was Too fat. They said it would be cruel and inhuman punishment because of his weight. So there ya go, libs.
He was not "Excused" from being executed because he was too fat. He tried that and failed. Go back and read the story again.
At 53 years old and 450 pounds, Post got life in prison (Dec. 2012) because of lousy legal representation 30 years ago. That was the judge's decision. Post is the coward whose only concern was he would "suffer." Funny. He didn't have any consideration for his victim's suffering.
However, 1994 Mitchell Rupe was too fat; 2007 Christopher Newton was too fat; 2008 Richard Cooey was too fat. What say you? Cruel and unusual punishment? Law abiding citizens should care - WHY?
Actually, Gov. John Kasich granted him clemency (because of lousy legal representation). My point was that - as sensational as the headline was that he argued he was too fat to die - his attempt failed and was rejected by the judge.
Personally, I don't think it's cruel and unusual punishment - if done properly. There are plenty of "libs" (and conservatives) who don't believe in the death penalty. That's a different argument than saying anyone should be excused simply because of their weight.
In their 70s. Im sure they could have handled an assault weapon and saved themselves......what a joke.
An "assault-weapon" unless it is a broadsword is a very poor weapon to defend yourself with, particularly in a densely populated area! But my young smart-ass, I'm seventy-five, want to go to the range and punch some paper? My old Colt .45 against whatever you shoot? Everyone knows the .45 is old, sloppy and can't hit anything.......
sic em woody
eheheheheh..eheheheh..( one of my favs) hes probably too young to remember it.
You GO, Woody!
70 years here and I can outshoot you left handed. ( I am left handed ).
I will be 70 my next birthday and I can handle an AK-47 very well thank you.. It is short, light and easy to handle in a small room. And I may add has the firepower to take on more than one thug at a time.
I will be 70 at my next birthday and I can handle an AK-47 very well thank you. It is light, short, and easy to maneuver in close quarters. It also has the firepower to handle more than one thug at a time.
Without making their death political, I will express sympathy for their family. No one, except the criminals and detectives know what happened so how about we all take a step back and check a fact.Crime and violence are a sad fact.
There are crimes in Canada too, but criminals rarely carry guns. However, in the United States, crooks have guns. Therefore, people should arm themselves. Guns are for good guys too. The two snowbirds did not understand our gun culture. In this country, no matter where you live-city or country side- you must have guns to protect yoursellf. Do not let Michael Bloomberg pursue you to disarm Americans. Bloombery shoud submit his own guns first. He is one of the politicians who is afriad of citizens to own guns.
Neither Mayor Bloomberg nor President Obama are wanting (much less threatening) to take all guns away. STOP spreading that outright lie! Listen to something other Fox News and you'll learn the real truth of the 27 actions taken by President Obama. These elderly people could have easily been overpowered by a younger gunman. And if they would have had one, their own gun could have been used to kill them. Yeah, some of you 70 somethings think you still have it all. However, your reflexes just aren't as good now as when you were young, and you can be sure it WILL be a younger person holding a gun or taking yours away from you.
Your comments are beyond flawed. They are absent of thought and reason.
The ONLY THING that could even the score if the assailant was young and powerful WOULD BE A GUN!!!
You seem like you want old people to just give up, and go be quiet victims. WRONG!!! They have the right to defend themselves with ANY MEANS POSSIBLE.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it buddy.
South Florida.... UGH! The snowbirds just can't take a hint.
so you would prefer those people from south of you? ok but keep em there.
Brooke, your comment as I infer it was disrespectful and insensitive to the victims' horrible death.
As if thugs help keep undesirables out; right.
The elderly are frequently targets in South Florida for home invasion type robberies. I guess the crooks assume they are too weak to fight back and, being older, have a lifetime's worth of accumulated property. Though sad, this is hardly an unprecedented crime or endemic just to South Florida. Dishonorable scum thug trash will always seek out the soft targets.
The story would have ended differently if the couple were allowed to arm thenselves.
Jim, you don't know that. It's most likely the invader wouldn't have let them out of his sight, and even if he did, he could easily over power most 70 year olds. And then there's the fact that the 70 year olds reflexes aren't as good as once were. So, no, it is NOT likely at all that "The story would have ended differently if the couple were allowed to arm thenselves."
As long as murder and mayhem are on TV and violent video games continue to be produced our children, mostly our sons, are going to play out some of these scenes in real life. I think as long as the lack of parental guidance such as letting the TV or game console be a babysitter this is not going to end. When I was growing up I had four brothers. We didn't have a TV until I was six years old. After we got a TV everytime we watched a war movie or western show my little brothers wanted to play it out. They would choose sides and commence their war or fighting the indians usually dragging me into it as the enemy whether I wanted to play or not. Fortunately we didn't spend a lot of time in front of the TV. We were allowed very few hours of TV and only after our chores and homework was done. But we always played out the shows afterwards if it was a war or western. This was back in the 50's and 60's when TV was really mild. Now I don't watch much of anything but games shows and PBS because I don't give a rat's a@#$ about 7 nights of murder and mayhem and 1001 ways to torture or murder someone that is on TV every single day and night. My gosh, when you are constantly feeding children a diet of murder and mayhem and lack of parental controls or caring over violence on TV and in movies and the video games what the heck do you expect our kids to learn. Then provide them with the weapons on top of everything else without teaching them safety or the fact that you don't play with this and you wonder why they are violent. I think a lot of kids don't differentiate the difference between "what is real and what is not" on TV, movies, or games. I think they get immune to it because they may see someone "killed" on a show and then see them again next week on another show. When they are young they don't realize that it is just acting and the guns aren't shooting real bullets etc. So they think as they get older that this is what you do when you don't like someone or they just want to see if they can recreate a scene themselves without even thinking of the consequences because there aren't any on TV etc. Then so many of them want attention, any kind of attention and there is a gun or guns in the house and they start thinking maybe this is a way to be noticed. I was raised with guns around all the time. We were taught gun safety from the beginning and that you don't sit around playing with a gun. You handled your gun only if you were going to hunt, target practice or clean it. You never handled it for any other reason not even to show it off to someone else. I am all for being armed to protect myself but I don't see the need for the assault rifles and big magazines. Sure it's fun to shoot and unload that magazine at a target as fast as you can but I don't have to do that to feel fulfilled. All I need is a good gun and a practice target to enjoy shooting. I think that before everyone goes off the deep end over gun control that plain old common sense needs to prevail. Until we stop feeding our children a constant diet of violence and don't fix our mental health system we continue to have this problem for years to come no matter what the gun laws are.
The grandparents should be arrested and charged. Otherwise, anyone who feels that the court order (or the rights of parents) is not to their liking, and that they can abduct the child (or children) because of the fact they disagree... will do what these grandparents did. This could possibly set some sort of precedence. And what about the mother who had her child stolen from ner, never able to watch him grow up. Sad.
I'm just glad I live in a State that understands freedom and the right for law-abiding citizens to protect themselves (and not in areas where strict gun control is exercised, yet violent crime is high).
This includes everyone in our State from local law enforcement up to the Governor.
It's good to feel free. Too bad not everyone in this country understands what freedom feels like.
I don't need access to every possible type of gun there's out there to feel free. There are MANY privileges we, as US citizens, have that gives me freedom. However, I'd feel MUCH safer when travelling into a neighboring rural community that's inhabited by gangs with AK-47s and other semi-automatic guns if these type of assault weapons were banned. Then if they get caught with them, they could be assessed a mandatory 5 years for possession, and a mandatory 10+ extra years when it is used in the commission of a crime, whether or not anyone died. That's what I'd like to see happen.
To bad they did not have a GUN handy.
Much safer in Canada ! Florida-S-Hole !
I'm sorry; I don't know what happened but my comment was posted for the wrong story. I don't know how to remove it.
just remember to kill the intruders and we won't have this problem all the time.
the law should be changed so that if you are charged with a break in,you will get 10 years in jail with no probation and the second time,life withour parole.build new prisons for these bastards because you would not need as many cops.
Jails/Prisons are too full with no state nor federal budgets available to expand them.
Find the killer and slowly butcher him while he is alive.