I'll comment. These four will get a trial and we will hope the evidence is strong and clear enough that any or all of the "young adults" suspects will never have the opportunity to walk out of prison.

How horrible that they would strangle these two men and then attempt to desecrate their bodies with dismemberment and and them to be gruesome enough to walk around the house with the decay of these men's bodies for almost a week.

Prayers to the families of these two men I do hope justice falls upon their attackers swiftly.

Condolences to the families and friends of the deceased.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

I voted for Warren's "no comment."

It's kind of a speechless moment. Kind of a WTH thing. Sort of goes along with the guy who killed his bests friend two weeks ago in New York, tried to cut his head off, couldn't manage to get it all the way off, wrapped the body in a blanket and stuffed it in a closet, and lived with it there for over a week before police found it.

He was also a young man.

Something is WRONG, people. And it is NOT guns on the streets. It's one thing to be callous enough to kill and it's quite another to try to dismember the bodies, give up because it's "too hard to do" and sit down and play video games in the same room.

I'm telling you, somebody better be putting the freaking food supply in this country under a damn microscope, and reading the report that's sitting on the FDA web site not allowed to be published because the chemical lobby is holding it up.

flexmind

According to Obama and Biden this is why we need to ban semi-autos and high capacity magazines. They are evil and will lead to bizarre acts like this. Lets ban hands that strangle I say!!

I just wanted to repeat this for my fellow readers in case it gets deleted. This is a prime example of how pathetic and sad many people are in this country they are ruining.

The irrational logic, irrelevant rants, and flat out over-the-top reactions, as displayed here, need to be stopped.

Same goes for the next thread below by navyvet98.

Too bad the state of Il. did away with the death penalty.

There are too many violent young people in today's society. And they don't think twice about taking someone's dad, mom, brother sister or love away in the blink of an eye! Some even laugh or joke about this atrocity with buddies.

WHY? Yes, there's violence everywhere, yet mostly in the media/TV/Video Games. And you could say that these kids/young adults have been raised on and around violence and that the animated and or characters have become their role models.

However, I am curious why does violence have value over life and creativity. Cannot the media create entertainment without direct violence as the main theme. Cannot the video game developers come up with a game as entertaining without the violence, drugs or sex involved.

There is no true creativity in bang bang shot or beat him/her--be the first to kill the character actions.

And where are the morals and values teaching these young adults that they can do better, and rise above the violence to be a better person?

Just curious?

So incredibly creepy that young women are involved!

Just goes to show--a spanking in time did a world of good to those of us who got it. These kids nowadays grow up with nary a sense of value for human life.

Hey flexmind, if the NRA and the other wimps that worship metal manhood weren't so paranoid there wouldn't be near as many ANY guns. But as long as the 'cons' are afraid of everything on the planet there will be more and more metal manhood. And the 'libs' will continue to try to drag the 'cons' into the 20th century. That would at least be a start to reality and normalcy, two things 'cons' are terrified of.

AK - What a dumb assed comment. Yeah, those damn left wing judges are big fans of strangulation and dismemberment. Give them a free pass every time. Jeez, man, get a life.

This kind of savage butchery is not a new phenomenon. Murders like this can be found in American news archives from the 1940s, 20s, 1890s, all the way back to the printing of crime stories. What's different is how much easier it is to read/hear about it thanks to electronic mass media. It just SEEMS to be more frequent.

To all of you lamenting about "kids these days": the US murder rate has declined substantially since a peak in the late 80's/early 90's - e.g. a whopping 40% drop between 1991 and 2011. So, thanks, but we're doing just fine (even with our video games) compared to the generation before us.

When will people learn that their subjective experience of the world through news and other media is not a reliable source of data?

Lizzie Borden took an ax

Gave her mother forty whacks

When she saw what she had done

Gave her father forty-one

Hate to say, but savagery and sociopathology existed long before videogames and violent movies. I doubt that exposing kids to unrelenting violence improves them, but it doesn't cause this. I think that the deep anger and division in our country can tip people who are mentally unstable over the edge, and maybe video games can get to them, too. But these kids aren't insane, they're just completely contemptuous of life. I'm willing to bet that they all were heavy drug users. I think that a lot of heavy drug use can alter brain chemistry and screw you up. These kids undoubtedly egged each other on, and they may have even told themselves that the other kid made them do it, but the reality is that they're just missing that empathy gene. They don't care about anyone or anything. Life is just a weird thrill ride without consequences.

They're going to find out different.

Well, since the media are plastering it all over, there will probably be copy cats, there usually is.

There are lots of crazies out there, just waiting for some one or some thing to pull their trigger.

no surprise here.........Al and Jesse will be ALL OVER this..........

You will notice that the media never admits that they pull the trigger some of the time.

It's really a tough call, they do have freedom of the press and should use it, yet they could acknowledge and accept their involvement.

Sadly, human lives have always had to pay for our human rights,

This is what happens when you let MTV babysit your kids all day and you don't take an active role in their everyday life.

Or any number of the tens of thousands of Adam Lanzas- sociopath anti-socials from the wealthy suburbs- gain entry to your home or school. Be sure and take up the law abiding public's guns before Adam's visit, because reasoning with this type of crazy person as they hack or shoot you to death is a great self preservation strategy. LOL.

Lets face it there are crazy people that have no respect for life EVERYWHERE. These guys are no different from the other sociopaths in the world. How they arrived at the point their at probably varies from individual to individual but the result is the same; blatant disregard for human life.

Those people on this vine bad mouthing "libs" and other clear thinking people about gun control should take a few minutes to ask themselves if they had a child or friend killed at Sandy Hook how would they feel about reasonable gun control then. There are many ways for our society to slow and control violence; selling automatic weapons isn't one of them........... BTW I'm a life long responsible gun owner and millions of other gun owners agree with me on this issue.

Anti Obama and other mean spirited right wing comments are usually prompted by ignorance and racism......... Of course those making hateful remarks will deny this because their blind to the fact that they have become fearful and angry people trying to make sense of an fast changing world.

@Big All I was going to pass with a no comment myself , but that's not going to happen, there were no guns in this tragedy but the horrible outcome is the same, life is lost and for no reason, this society is sick and getting sicker there is no reason for these things to happen other then as a society we are sick, we are loosing it. its not guns that are a problem people have to start understanding its people.

My most sincere sympathy to the Family and Friends, this is beyond words.

What we need to do is after they have a fair trial make a example of them.

The idiot libs are pissed that a semi-auto rifle wasn't used so they could use it as ammo to try cramming their dumb a$$ agenda down our throats!. The libs need to get a clue and realize that homicide is going to occure no matter what they do. Based on that FACT is one of the reasons I got the weapons I got. Unfortuantly it may take a homicidal madman to use sarin gas on a school as a means to kill high numbers to wake up the libs to reality, and unfortuantly it will inevitably happen.

Say it ain't so...What no AR's or AK's in this murder??? I guess the next thing the F-ing Feds will want to outlaw is HANDS!!! And stuff it you anti gun freaks, I served my country during the Vietnam era and have every right to own and operate anything I was trained on to defend you sissies. If it was good enough for me to use as a soldier of my country, it should well be good enough for me to own now. Now if I can just find those Claymore's or Law's I would be a happy camper. Just for the defense of my home, country and Constitution!:-)

Let's see.

4 people at $50k a year, that's $200k a year. Say they get 25 years.

That's $5 million.

Now let's add the taxpayer funded legal representation and appeals. I'll guess $2 million.

So we're at $7 million and counting.

I agree pete, people are dying and its costing us a lot of money. we should make murder illegal. That will stop it all from happening and people will feel safer and better about themselves because something was done.

Well, I guess thats half right.

BigAl Las Vegas ; "...and other clear thinking people about gun control should take a few minutes to ask themselves if they had a child or friend killed at Sandy Hook how would they feel about reasonable gun control then."

There's the oxymoron here, BigAl. Connecticut has all those "reasonable gun controls" and more that you "clear thinking people" want. It didn't prevent this tragedy. Because you JUST DON'T GET IT. Criminals don't obey posted signs and words written on a piece of paper.

You don't even use the examples of the areas in this country that have even stricter gun laws than CT, and the highest crime rates to go with them. Go ahead, bring your "common sense" discussion on out here to the table. We've been waiting for it, but all we see is what you want to do to the law abiding folks....you know, the ones that you all call names for excercising their LEGAL 2nd amendment right.

Oh, and BTW, BigAl, automatic weapons are already banned unless you have a very difficult to obtain Class III license. Educate yourself before making blanket statements about including other gun owners thoughts into your own.

Automatic weapons weren't used an any of these horrible crimes.

It doesn't matter the weapon... killers and potential killers will use whatever is available. A good family friend was beaten to death with a hammer. A neighbor was stabbed once in the heart with a screwdriver. There are more. I've grieved too many times for friends who were victims of murder by means other than guns. These were all reasonably "nice" neighborhoods, some of the crimes committed by allegedly sane people. One thing they had in common? Anger issues. Coupled with alcohol and drug use, it is a lethal mixture.

I think we need to read more ancient history. We will find out beheadings, disembowelment, dismemberment, etc. were all too common "way back when." People simply didn't hear about it so much.

like this has anything to do with the President.

Young people's world has gone brain dead, their souls and consciences muted by their personal versions of pleasure.

Not shocked that someone has to mention Obama, since it looks like these kids were/are black.

No, Doug. If you read the linked article and view the photo, you'll see that all four are white. One is the son a Joliet police sergeant, according to the local news reports. Color isn't an issue here... feral is feral.

Ok, thanks Boreal. My mistake.

Boreal Belle: You're right; Good catch! The VICTIMS were both Black -- the four suspects are all White.

I did not notice that fact when I first read the article.

navyvet98 you just proved how ignorant you are.

I'm shocked that you can post something so STUPID!

I am tired of the "Obama" is responsible for everyting crowd. Shut up!

What land do you live in, navyvet? I could make a few guesses, but I'm not nearly as clever as you. I do question the "vet" part, though, unless it means you're an active participant in animal husbandry. Most real veterans I know wouldn't make so stupid a statement in public. And, yes, I'm a veteran, Viet Nam, so I can call the kettle black. Watch the video, navyvet, victims were black, perps were white - so I guess you're right - racist crime committed by your skinhead brothers and sisters. That probably makes it all right in your eyes, bigot.

Well,since the suspects are white,im sure this will turn into a racial thing now.And if there is enough press coverage,and enough money to be made im sure you will see Jesse Jackson also,cause thats the only time you see that jerk,is when there is money to be made for himself.

Navyvet98....You need to get out of your Mommy's basement.....what a HOLE!

Guys, it was an easy mistake to make if one looks at the video still. One could assume many things with only the small amount of information in this article, and the local news isn't providing much more at this point. Lazy reporting by MSNBC, really. I'm just -- shocked. LOL.

White on black, black on white, white on white, black on black... doesn't matter. It's about the thug culture, instant gratification mentality and utter lack of respect for others being fostered in too many of our young people now. Their parents are shocked? Dang, how does one not see that a kid is turning into an emotionally flat-lined zombie? Zero expression on their faces, except for looking a little inconvenienced that they got caught.

Boreal, what I don't get is if they killed 2 people, why are they charged with 6 counts of first degree murder? Am I missing something here?

those were some evil looking mug shots, the one guy looks like the poster boy for the devel worshippers union. not good . i hope they have the right people, which seems they do, and they need to dangle at the end of a rope. this wont happen because too many liberal thinking people want to try and excuse their behaviour on a bad childhood , there crazy, ect. and not punish them for what they do. simple. they deserve no more compassion than they gave their victims. a fair trial, ONE appeal and off with their heads.

NavyQMCS, #2.13: I have no idea why they've been charged with 6 counts of murder, per what I've read so far. I noticed that also. It isn't just here but other articles I've seen. Not sure if it's supposed to be 6 different charges, given that there were other crimes committed, or what.

The most information I've been able to find so far is that they aren't saying which ones in the group of four actually strangled these young men. Planning and participating in robbery is one of the things I've seen so far, which may or may not be the motive. Unfortunately the media throws these things out half-baked, rather like the article here. I guess there will be more later... or not. It's a mad world.

Hi: Tommyboy, Navyvet, Doug, michigan, WTF,

I think that it's kind of funny that the very people that started yelping about "Obama land"
(not much of a "dog whistle" there. We all heard and understood that one)
are now claiming that Civil rights activists will make a "race thing" out ofd this.

Um guys, YOU have already made a "race thing" out of this, but somehow you got the story backwards!
I may be wrong but,
I seriously doubt that these kids come from "President-Obama-loving-Democratic-house-holds".

This is a horrible story, but after making total "RACITS" fools out of your selves, (sorry guys, but the shoe fits!)
you are complaining about something that is not going to happen.
The suspects have been arrested. So, why would civil rights activists need to protest to have them arrested?
You do know that that was what the protests were about don't you? If not that, then what?

Let me guess, you get your news from Fox!
Pretty sad, but pretty funny!

They weren't black folks...........find another racist target.

They were from Joliet!

John-2835334.......Um read the article again...the kids that were black were the victims....the white kids were the ones who did the crime.

Jen -

"the white kids were the ones who did the crime"

How do you know the white kids weren't protecting themselves???

they would have called the cops themselves, if that had been the case.

@ Dee

How do you know the white kids weren't protecting themselves???

Really? Are you trying to imply that all black people are criminals & all white people are as pure as the driven snow? Just come out of the closet & admit you're a racist.

This is a bit off topic but don't you know by now that no one in this country is allowed to protect themselves if they're about to get victimized. It's not the PC/civil thing to do & it's against the law!

The only thing you're allowed to do if you find yourself in a bad situation is to dial 911, if you have the time or chance to do so (because the police will protect you, LOL). Other than calling 911 you're supposed to curl up in a little ball & whimper like a pansy while you wait for your turn to die. If you're lucky the police will get there in time to write up a report & to take pictures of your corpse. LOL

Emanuel will give them food stamps and free housing. Just what the people want that voted for him.

@Oneslackr

Only in Illinois are you supposed to do that.

"How do you know the white kids weren't protecting themselves???"

Dee ten, usually innocent people who are just trying to protect themselves don't try and dismember the bodies afterwards, or sit there and "party" with the dead bodies lying around. You are one sick individual and you belong in a mental instituation right along with the killers.

I've seen some stupid posts on line, but, Dee Ten, yours is tops. What a brain surgeon.

Let's see...

Blame Obama... CHECK

Call Reagan's free phone plan "Obama Phones"... CHECK

Excuse gratuitous white-on-black violence as "self defense"... CHECK

Discuss bad white kids as an isolated incidence of bad parenting but generalize all blacks as thugs... CHECK

Standard invocation of social justice leaders Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton as opportunistic race traders... CHECK

Random inclusion of anti-gun control rhetoric in a story that doesn't involve guns... CHECK

Backhanded slam at the obese white women while slamming black men who date them... CHECK

False concern for Chicago crime rate shown by questioning why blacks can't fix the problems themselves while simultaneously ignoring the fact the story is about white criminality which also doesn't seem to be getting much better by comparison, i.e misdirecting the focus onto the victims... CHECK

Invocation by wingbats of Obama as "Savior"... CHECK

Looks like what we got here on this thread is a standard case of knee-jerk American wingnut racism played by the numbers. MMM mmm mmm, how I love the smell of that pure, straight-from-the-tap American white racial fury unleashed. Smells like the ink on the Declaration of Indepence. If only we could bottle it; I could make a mint selling it at NASCAR and Tea Party rallies, Walmarts and Chic-Fil-A's in the South and Ted Nugent concerts/Gun Shows.

Sorry StevePhoenix,

Your friends Dee, and John and well, YOU have already made this into a race thing. The article doesn't!
If the article had said "Four young white adults murder and try to dismember two young black adults,
after which they have a party in the room with decomposing bodies."

You guys would have been all over this. So MSNBC or who ever wrote this article did it your way.
THEY NEVER MENTIONED RACE!
Drum roll please,

YOU DID!

Get back to us after you wipe the egg off of your faces. Sheesh!

Bye the way,
The suspects have been arrested. So, why would civil rights activists need to protest to have them arrested?
You do know that that was what the protests were about in the Travon Martin case, don't you?
That's why there were no protests after the "loud music at a gas station shooting" ...
Un like George Zimmerman who was released, The police arrested the guy who did it,
like they were supposed to.
No arrest = protest, Arrest and standard procedure = no protest. Got it?

Let me guess, you get your news from Fox!
Pretty sad, but pretty funny!

Take the heads off the black kids. Right next to Monopoly.

Yes, haha. Pot is to blame for this almost cult like murder. You are a fool. And yes games. Nothing like Mario Cart puts me in the strangling mood. Please leave this country now.

did I miss the Pot part??

so whats pushing them to do this, please tell us, as we all would like to know.

Just some tool tossing in his idiot theory's.

its obvious, your just another strung out pothead sitting in mommy's basement playing zombie video games.

i know, i know....blame bad parents, bullies,bush,guns,the weather but dont ever blame drugs,alcohol and/or violence.

Yes, because Pot heads are strung out. Such a tool. As a matter of fact I don't smoke pot. If these kids had been high on weed they may just not have given any of the black kids cheesy poofs in stead of trying to take their heads off.

Where the F are the parents? Maybe the Schools should teach them some F'n Morals...

Like Chris Rock said "What ever happend to Crazy?"

Perhaps they are just all BAT @!$%# CRAZY? Why do you have to blame anything? Maybe too much Soda.

Drugs could be the cause. White trash seem to like Meth. I would believe that. But not weed. Come on.

im guessing your a black man

Ha! No sir, I am not. I was pretty much the racist for jumping to conclusion for wanting to Ban "Black Hands" because it looked like they had a few black kids in custody. My bad, there's bad in every color.

And since the freaks at fault for this are white, the trash seem to follow Meth for some reason. In reality there probably isn't any drugs or alcohol involved.

How about just facing the fact that some people are wired wrong from birth & are just plain evil & have no empathy for others. Get someone like that who is an assertive/leader type & it isn't difficult for them to find a couple of lackey follower type friends to go along with their sick, evil, twisted ideas/plans.

There have been plenty of killers throughout history who have never played video games, used drugs, listened to gangster rap or heavy metal music & were never abused/beaten/belittled by their parents.

Why do people always have to try & blame it on something/someone else. Some people are just f**ked up, just accept it.

ok, first..the police said they went back to the party, young adults sitting around drinking kool aid and chips when one of them was arrested before with possession of a gun and weed.

second, what are the chances 4 people wired wrong hanging out together at the same time? very odd i think.

third, everyone wants to blame guns when guns are used, so why is silly to blame drugs and violent games.

a little something else...about a year ago, a boy in maryland locked himself in his room and played a modern warfare marathon when it was first released, for 3 days and nights he drank energy drinks and no sleep, ended up in the ER. the games are addictive and some kids dont or cant draw the line.

Yes, because the Manson Family only had one person wired wrong in their fleet. And people with the same thoughts and morals never hang together. Its always opposite people hanging out. Like "One" said,

just crazy, sick, basterds.

Thank God there wasn't any guns involved or Holly Christ, Illinois would have to ban them some more. This crime is much more horrific because there aren't any guns. These sick F's did it with their bare hands!

@Against

It is just as ridiculous to blame guns. Guns don't cause people to do things. Guns are inanimate objects.

Yes, could someone be strung out on powerful drugs which would cause them to do something crazy because they aren't thinking clearly. Sure it happens but it certainly wouldn't be caused by something like pot. Like I said there are plenty of killers who have never used any drugs.

I don't buy the idea about video games, music, & movies being the cause. People all over the world play the same games, listen to the same music, & watch the same movies yet they don't have the high rate of murders we have in the U.S. Besides, why did these types of crimes happen hundreds & thousands of years ago long before video games or gangster rap or violent movies etc?

If someone was truly influenced by a video game/music/movie etc...to do something crazy/evil then that means they are wired wrong & have mental problems.

Our society no longer teaches values/morals/ethics either. That is part of the problem for some who do bad things.

However, there are simply people who are not wired right (i.e. mental issues). There have always been people like that since humans first appeared on this planet & there always will be.

Blame needs to be put where it belongs & that is on the shoulders of the people who do these type of things. People need to quite blaming everything under the sun as the cause.

People have free will to make choices in life including choices to commit crime & to do evil things. It is easy for some of them to try & place blame or to deflect attention away from themselves, when they get caught, by saying the music/drugs/guns/movies/video games made them do it.

As for the kid playing a game for 3 days, that is called bad or no parenting.

BTW, if you haven't then you need to watch some programs on couples/groups that kill. It is very interesting. There are people who by themselves have never committed a crime yet when they get together with other people who share similar twisted thoughts/ideas they all of a sudden start to commit crimes together. Usually each crime these couples/groups commit becomes progressively more violent/heinous than the last.

If these people would have never met the odds were that they never would have committed the crimes at all. Part of the group crime issue is the whole pack mentality that happens, just like during riots. People who on their own would feel inhibited to commit a crime loose that inhibition in the anonymity of a group (not saying that is the case in this story).

What does that have to do with this story.

You do realize the ones who did the crime in this case are white & the two victims were black, don't you?

@chester the moron..obviously you are incapable of reading...perhaps you should have stayed in school..what a nut case you are..

Hey Chester. Just out of curiosity, were your parents siblings, or just cousins?