I think it is just so sad that this young boy could find no other alternative but to put a stop to what his father was doing to him and, who knows what to his sister. I hope that this boy will get the professional help that he so desperately needs, which is to say that I do hope he is incarcerated in an environment that will truly help him. I don't think the public will ever know the horrors this boy and his sister may have endured in such a seemingly violent environment.

I would argue the son was an innocent victim.

The boy should get a medal not a conviction.

Guess good ole dad got whis wish and his boy took out a scum bag.

No winners in this all the way around.

He was ten freakin' years old!!! What kind of "long history" of violence can condemn a ten year old??

This unfortunate child was born into a terrible situation over which he had no control. This was his only way to end it. He will suffer the consequences for the rest of his life. He is the victim, of his parents, of society, and of the judicial system. May God grant him a better life from now on.

Jonathan,

"Guess good ole dad got whis wish and his boy took out a scum bag."

Yes, and, ironically, it may have been his father who taught him how to shoot a gun.

Live by the sword, die by the sword.

ks1971,

"Did I miss another article somewhere that states this boy and his sister were being abused?"

No, you didn't miss another article. You just didn't read this one very well. It said:

"Riverside Superior Court Judge Jean Leonard acknowledged the boy's "long history of abuse and neglect."

I think that is pretty clear evidence that he was abused. The judge ought to know.

What is started with hate will end with hate… Neo-Nazi, Ku-Klux-Klan and other extremist group under the umbrella of a different “political view”, please…. No wonder haters group are on the raise… What is next… Hate pizza eaters? Greek food? Mexican food? ( I think its already started...)

praying that the judge does not compound the problem & use careful decisions........

One tends to favor the yougster and wish him a better life then sitting around watching a real loser dad abuse him and his mother and probably his sister. The world is one person better off that this creep dad is no longer with us.

The evidence is prima facie. If a child (in every sense of the word) purposely kills their own parent, there is really only one conclusion. Even if the child premeditated, was thinking clearly, knew 'right from wrong', etc.

The one people always forget is 'justified'. The only way a child can feel justified in ending the life of his own parent is if:

1) The parent has succeed in teaching his own child of the lack of value of human life, i.e. that killing is a justified solution. The far most likely way to learn that is from your parents or guardian which in this case seems obvious to be the father. Based on other facts of the case this seems a fair conclusion to draw. There is no doubt confidential details of the abuse and home environment that would spell this out more clearly.

2) The child believes there is no other way to stop the parent.

If there were horrors perpetrated on this child or his little sister that he believed would only be stopped by a bullet, he would feel justified. How successful the father was at point 1 could lower the threshold required for point 2.

I don't think we can say this in EVERY SINGLE CASE, but I think this case shows a lot of environmental effects were in play to question the conclusion of guilty (responsible). The child thinking clearly only makes him guilty if you remove the contextual evidence of him being 12 years old at the time of the father's death.

Only an adult removed from the situation at home, able to choose another reality to escape this man could be considered guilty. This man's household was the only reality this child ever knew. Telling a child there is another reality is like describing water to a fish. It's the only world that child has ever known, so he can not comprehend a different one.

Irish 21,

"KS is right. I read an article about this case earlier that was far more detailed. His lawyers are saying he was abused but the dead guys lawyers are saying that regardless of his Neo background he was a good father.'

I don't know. All I know about this case is what I read in this article. You may have a point there, but I would think that if the judge said the kid had been abused, he must have been basing that conclusion on evidence of abuse presented to him. It doesn't seem to me he would make that statement without any evidence to support it.

Jessica-1170252

I want to applaud him for eliminating another neo-nazi nutcase from the world...

The Neo-Nazi agenda is to rid the world of anyone who doesn't think the way they do. You know, sort of like what you're advocating.

Biker4life...only one correction..the boy was only 10 at the time of the murder which only adds further proof to your comment. How does a 10 year old evaluate his options when the only people in his life that were suppose to teach and protect him was the one who was abusive and a mother who could not defend him?

Yes this boy knew right from wrong! But when a person lives in this atmosphere, with lousy parents and this fact was known by other adults I say they were in a position to say something. I'm sure the child protection agency knew of this family and did nothing. I came from a home that was full of abuse to me; both physical, and verbal. I would not blame this child for what he did, I would look at what he went through and give him some help for his problems as I'm sure he has some. This may prevent another mass shooting! Jail will just make things so much worse.

Russell Johnson-4375353 The media jumps on the Neo Nazi angle...the boy probably killed the father because of the beatings.

It is wrong to advocate the killing of someone based on their beliefs, unless it is conjunction with actions that lead to and promote the deaths of others.

This makes my blood boil! This youngster should be sentenced to quality counseling and abundant love. Nothing can mess up the mind and emotional makeup of a Child more than a MEAN Parent, or Parents. For the sake of all that is good and right, may the Judge not further hurt this lad.

It is possible to be an otherwise good father, but not understand that teaching a child hate or raising a child in an environment of hate is going to turn around and bite someone in the backside. I feel so strongly that a child of 10 doesn't have the mental capacity to clearly understand the consequences of his actions, and there has to be a way other then incarceration with hardened young criminals to make sure this boy gets the psychological counseling he will need, in a loving caring environment that doesn't preach hate. But no matter what, he should not be returned to the family that raised him. The hate did not die with the father, but will only continue to grow despite his death.

Russell Johnson-4375353

"His what the father was guilty of regarding abuse according
to a quick google search "slapped and whipped the boy, taught him to shoot
and that violence was an appropriate response to problems". So, I guess
this warrants the boy killing his father right? What your really saying is that
just because he supported Neo Nazi beliefs he deserved to die right? So do
Black people who support the Black Panther party publicly deserve to die to?
Anyone??"

Russell that is a ridiculous comparison. There are numerous cases of Neo-Nazi's killing minorities and gays, but when exactly was the last time you heard of a Black Panther killing anyone? Come on, no Google search required. When? I get that there is always a need to put Black Panther's into any and all discussions, but in this case it is so ridiculously unwarranted as to make you look like an ignorant fool!

In cases such as this I am reminded of the Words of Ernest Hemmingway: "Ask not for whom the bell tolls, for the bell tolls for you!." It is one more indication of the state of our society and in particular the two victims in this case. In a 'sense' this tragedy is part of us all and reflects on us all, if we are truly human.

Mickey, your dead on. Don't wrestle with mental midgets.........

Tell the kid what a good job he did

Biker4Life, "Prima Facie" means "on first encounter" or "at first sight". In other words, you have to make your "prima facie case" to be able to go to trial. Do you mean "circumstantial case"?

And, for those of you who have asked if there is more to this story.....oh, yes. Social services had been called out to this home TWENTY TIMES. His mom was a heroin addict during her pregnancy with him. This kid had no chance with the life he had been dealt. A drug addict mom, a crazy, violent, neo-Nazi father.....why was this child left in this home?

I said Prima Facie because at first glance or 'at first sight' the evidence is clearly lacking for a conviction of murder. In other words I feel this doesn't even pass the preliminary hearing test. But this is a local case for me and as such I've been aware of it previously.

I'm pretty surprised the Judge ruled guilty. I wish him better luck on appeal.

rc-4121998,

"blame the arizona lawmakers, not the kid. the kid never got a fair shot at life."

I agree with your post, but I don't get why you want to blame Arizona lawmakers for this. My impression from reading this article was that this happened in Riverside, California, and was tried in Riverside Superior Court. Now since I live in Arizona, I share your attitude toward Arizona lawmakers. They make some pretty stupid laws. But I don't think they were responsible for this.

This was a Riverside, CA case. Google this case and read the LA Times article about it. It has far more detail. Why this kid was found responsible is unbelievable. Sending him to juvie is NOT going to help him. He needs to be in a hospital setting, though, here, that's not much better under our penal system. He need specialized care because he is a kid full of rage, has been violent in the past, is a former drug baby and has been chronically abused by a crazy father. Why he was left with his father is a mystery. Social services was well aware of this kid and his family situation. But, hey.....those social services people are just more of those deadbeat government workers who's pay and pensions we want to cut in this state! Never mind we don't have enough of them, their case loads are three times as much as they should be and they have to deal with dangerous people, like this kid's father.....they don't deserve the already measly pay they get, let alone a pension. So, when cases like this fall through the cracks, we should look at ourselves the next time we complain about "overpaid government workers".

If the child was not adjudicated then the state would not be able to get him the help he needs. He would fall into the care of the nearest living relative (the mom) or become a ward of the state and placed into foster care where if he was able to get placed, may not get the care he needs.

Placing the child in custody make sense from the stand point that the state will be able to provide him with mental counseling to over come the horrible things that have happened to him. While this may seem a little on the harsh side to some of you, think about where he would be with out it. It is in the best interest of the child for this time....It will not be forever.

I am an adoptive parent of a child that was in a home much like this one....Addicted mother with a step father that mentally, physically, and sexually abused this boy. Because this boy did not know boundaries or right from wrong he sexually abused his younger half sister at the age of 10. He was sent into the system where he got treatment and is doing fine.

He will never forget the damage that was done to him or what he did. With treatment, a loving home, and support this boy too will make it.

News flash. those "deadbeat gov. workers " have 5 times the cases that they can handle. Wanna know why? cause since the 80s one pres after the other, one Governor after another and one mayor after another, has CUT THE NUMBER OF SOCIAL WORKERS. They have one third the staff and a higher population. So lets cut taxes again. duhhhhh

This kid should be awarded some kind of societal medal for ridding society of his scum father who epitomizes the bigotry and extremism demonstrated by conservatives/Republicans/Teabaggers/Libertarians and the like.

I am a avowed rabid anti-racist advocate, but murder is wrong no matter who it gets slain, be it a freeman African-American hung from a tree or dragged from behind a truck for daring to exist too close to a microbrained mouth-breathing trog or a mouth-breathing trog who refuses to evolve their limbic microbrains to a more contemporary mode of thinking.

Yeah, I will cuss you out if you call me a nig (if you're lucky; I stand as a man with no fear of throwing these two fists if I have to), but I won't kill you for being a racist, or for any other illness of the brain you may suffer; that's for God to decide.

AlaskaGirl - actually he will get professional help. Plenty of professional criminals where he is going. It is so sad, the way our justice system produces refined criminals. This boy if he received the proper treatment may be productive in our society, then again maybe not, but he'll never get the chance.

That's a pretty positive picture you're painting, probably too positive. This kid was doomed to fail before he was even born. He'll likely be sent to juvie, then transferred to a state prison when he turns 18. (assuming his sentence is long enough.) I don't see things improving for the sister either, she'll be sent to a children's home where she'll be allowed to fall through the cracks. After all, nobody is better at turning people into lost souls than the bereaucrats our own government.

BSB,

Actually, there are countless examples of Black Panthers killing white cops and others, they just dont make it on your slanted media news boards like the killings by the skin heads. Again, whats your answer? Is it ok to kill based on someones public support of a radical group like the black panthers??

"the world has one less ignorant angry worthless white guy in it" Hopefully you end up like he did. I bet if a black guy had the same thinking the father did, but was a Black Panther or Nation of Islam scum, you could care less.

Russell...Post your links and I'll read them....

@IXLR8

"The son should be set free and given a free State college scholorship. This to change his life and to thank him for ridding the world of another hate monger."

I guess my question to you is "would you be willing to have him as your next door neighbor?" since you think what he did was so worthy and honorable? Personally I don't think society can trust him or his actions right now. He does need to be separated from most society. Whether he was raised badly or not right now he isn't safe around people.

"usmalefl

This kid should be awarded some kind of societal medal for ridding society of his scum father who epitomizes the bigotry and extremism demonstrated by conservatives/Republicans/Teabaggers/Libertarians and the like."

If the kid got rid of you, I would give him 20 medals.

Recent, Russell. The Black Panther Party you are referring to have was dissolved long ago, with arrests and imprisonment. The nonsence neo cons have been bringing out for photo ops over the past few years, are nothing more then a rag tag group of men who put on black clothing, and it is always hilarious how Faux News and a few right wing websites always seem to see these guys, yet no one else does. So, once again I ask you to name some recent examples of killings by Black Panthers to bolster your claim? If not, it really is time for you an those like you to find more shtick to use.

Now, here's the answer to your question. It is never O.K. to kill based on the support of an organization that advocates the hatred and murder of people solely based on their racial/ethnic/sexual identity. Hope that helps!

Rob68

"Russell...Post your links and I'll read them..."

His links are from the late 60's and early 70's. Surely you can look them up yourself.

Russell Johnson-4375353

Actually your wrong. The Black Panther Party is no more....There is this group out there calling themselves the "New Black Panther Party". While they try they are not associated with or have they ever been any part of the Party. They have been sued for using the name, and still they insist on calling themselves by that name. I am not aware of any killing of white officers or others by this group. care to show me where you got that information?

FYI the Black Panther Party is now the Huey P. Newton Foundation.

I know this because I represent David Hillard as a booking agent for lectures (former Black Panther Party member and co-founder of the Black Panther Party, and author).

What good is all this (un-Christlike and unprofessional) public forum debate doing for this situation?

Rob,

Its like I said, the left leaning media doesn't label the killings of whites by blacks (lots of that going on) as hate crimes the way they jump to do so the other way around (like you didn't already know that) so there is nothing to post in that regard. However, their is plenty of video out there of the panthers spreading hate and inciting murder of whites like here

I guess I will never get a lib who has the guts to address this question directly (big surprise). Done here.....

For the dad - live by the gun, die by the gun.

You just won't let it go.....We know there are gangs that shoot and kill each other.

Show me one link that shows the New Black Panther Party

spreading hate and inciting murder of whites like here

Your full of it.

"despite being a neo-nazi he was a good father"

Was someone actually twisted enough to make that argument?! It is IMPOSSIBLE to be a good father if you are a neo nazi. It is impossible to be a good anything if you are a neo nazi.

There are a lot of people out there in need of a good education and councelling who might be drawn to becoming neonazis, but nazi=bad. We had a nice little holocaust to teach us that lesson so don't try to argue anything different or you too will be in need of serious counselling and education.

The young boy should be punished, because killing civilians isn't a good thing, but in this case the fact that his dad was a nazi is very mitigating. Oh and yes, if it is okay to kill anyone in this world, nazis are at the top of the list.

Jessica-1170252

"but one thing is for certain -

the world has one less ignorant angry worthless white guy in it"

Being a little racist are we. I think its crazy the a lot of people in the U.S think that white people are the only race that is racist, including your self judging by your comment. Black Panthers,KKK, Neo Nazi, and Muslims do not need to be in this country. All they bring with them is hate, and that is why this country is they way it is now.

Keep this article in a scrapbook. In 10 or 20 years it will be referenced after this kid is released back in to society after turning 18 and kills again.

Zomberfied, why did you include an entire religion in your short list of racist groups?

Black Panthers,KKK, Neo Nazi, and Muslims

You might as well add Christians to that list. Their racism and genocide is well documented.

Some of you act as though this child will be going to prison....Which he won't.

Look at the California State law DOJ (Department of Justice) under juvenile offenses (under murder in the 2nd degree) and how they are treated within the system before making comments in which your not well versed.

With the proper type of treatment this young man will not face a life time of jail, nor is there any reason to think he would kill again.

Right, Steve, and the parole board in NY had no reason to believe that William Spengler, who murdered his grandmother with a hammer in 1980, would kill again. Guess what? 14 years after being released, he murdered his sister and then killed 2 firefighters in an ambush in Webster, NY.

Why don't you do a quick search of people who were paroled after committing murder only to murder again.

Ron B-2757074

Totally two different matters at two very different times. Apples and Oranges.

The charge is 2nd degree murder & he was 10.

William Spengler- older he was in his 40's and different charge in a differnet state.

save the bul lcrap.

Apples and oranges? Hardly. Both people committed parricide.

I might also suggest you do a little research on Juvenile offenders and see how many of them that have been released under similar charges have re-offended.

You can not compare the mind of a child with that of a grown man....Apples and Oranges

Fine example of California juvenile offender reformation.

In 1964, when Edmund Kemper was 15, he shot his grandparents, killing them both. He'd been imagining this act for some time and had no regrets. The California Youth Authority detained him in Juvenile Hall so that they could put him through a battery of tests administered by a psychiatrist. Since the results indicated that he was paranoid and psychotic, he was sent to Atascadero State Hospital for treatment. There he learned what people thought about his crime and worked hard to convince his doctors that he had recovered. Although he was labeled a sociopath, he actually worked in the psychology lab to help administer the tests to others. In the process, he learned a lot about other deviant offenders.

Kemper was released five years later, although he remained under the supervision of the Youth Authority. His doctors recommended that he not be returned to his mother's care, but the Youth Authority ignored this. After Kemper murdered and dismembered eight women over the next five years, these same doctors affirmed his insanity defense. In fact, even as he was carrying parts of his victims around, a panel of psychiatrists judged him to be no threat to society.

Gwp3fo. You left out a couple hate groups who are at least as bad or worse than the ones you named. How about the "Black Panthers" and "NAACP?" Plus, there are others that are just as bad. You show your true colors by just naming so called right leaning groups.

Come on, I know you have more excuse laden liberal tripe to type. Tug at my heartstrings and make me feel sorry for a child who commits murder and make me believe that the child will not pose a danger when released.

1964 REALLY????? wow. Last time I checked it is 2013 and he did this in 2011.

Stats buddy.... not cases. Give me the numbers to back up your BS. Otherwise blow it out your ass. Your one of the clueless.

Bonebreaker

See my post #1.49

this is one sick judge who does not belong around children. people of Arizona are to selfish or they protest. if this was some other country the people who beat this sick judge to death. the kid was only 10 years old and a victim of Neo Nazi father. what is wrong with this judge. blame the government not the kid. our government has no laws preventing violent people being around or allowed to raise kids. blame the Arizona lawmakers, not the kid. the kid never got a fair shot at life.

I have to ask, do you have first hand knowledge about this case? Reading between the lines, the judge has seen this boy before. Child protection service probably had been called more than once so I am going to do some research. From another article I found this statement: "Social workers responded to the Hall household more than 20 times. At the time of the shooting, the boy was a dependent of the court, an effort designed in part to shield him from further abuse, Hardy said." http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2013/01/boy-guilty-of-murder-in-shooting-death-of-neo-nazi-father.html

This is a horrible situation, but the boy is guilty. He needs to be placed in psychiatric facility and I hope the Judge does so. From the above captioned article I learned that clinical psychologist, Anna Salter; a mental health expert called by the prosecution; testified that the boy's birth mother used heroin, LSD and other drugs while she was pregnant, which she called "devastating" to the boy's development. Afterwards he needs to be placed in a warm loving home. However, in further research it came to light that the boy faces up to 11 years in juvenile detention. http://www.newser.com/story/160950/12-year-old-convicted-for-murder-of-neo-nazi-dad.html.

It appears that a good reason the boy did this is the boy, who lived with four siblings, shot his father because he thought he was planning to divorce his stepmother and break up the family. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/14/us-usa-crime-neonazi idUSBRE90D0M120130114?feedType=RSS.

I hope that sentencing shows the judge recognizes that we have a responsibility to get this child the best care available.

There are no statistics on child murderers committing murder again. There are anecdotes. It happens, you dillhole. I picked out the first case of a re-offending child murderer in California that I found. It's not the only case you libtard.

Ron B-2757074

Just as I thought nothing to back it up.

Check the FBI stats by state you neocon. Recidivism of Juvinile offends for muder.

I knew you wouldn't be able to provide a link. Keep blabbering about how we are too hard on juvenile offenders. "They're all good kids who just need help".

Steve-3564331. I must admit I did not know that about the Black Panther Party, so thanks for the education. The Travon Martin incident surely had them pegged as the said Black Panther Party. IF what you say is true. Have any info about the NAACP not being a racist hate group?

Russell then you have no valid argument...If you have nothing to back up what you say because, as yo allude to, the liberal media controls what is reported, then how did you get YOUR info??

Bonebreaker

I don't, as I don't work with the NAACP.

Ron B-2757074

The challenge was placed on you by me....I know where to get the stats to back up what I am saying.

So take a seat.

Those stats are hidden somewhere deep in your loose liberal rectum. I cite specific cases, you claim to have stats at your fingertips. You lie.

In case you didn't know, recidivism does not mean committing the same crime. It can be any crime that lands you back in the system.

Rob68

He (Russell) bailed when he found out that he was full of BS, and couldn't support what he was saying with fact.....Much like Ron B-2757074

Ron B-2757074

No you don't say.... See my post #1.36 then tell me how much experience you have with the juvenile justice system.

LOL! I supported my claim, dillhole, with specific cases. You just cling to your imaginary FBI stats.

Another case.

Niecy Nash is living the horror of her brother’s murder all over again. The man who took her brother’s life has now taken another one.

It’s been ab0ut 20 years since Nash got the news that shattered her world. The convicted killer who shot Niecy Nash’s brother has fatally stabbed his wife, the police believe, according to tmz.com.

The reputed murderer, Robert Lee Heard, has been apprehended in Northern Louisiana Saturday as the prime suspect in the grizzly murder of his 35-year-old wife Demetra Doyle Heard.

Nash is swimming in grief all over again because of Heard’s alleged murder. It was in 1993 when Heard, then 16 years old, was convicted of shooting and killing Nash’s brother, Michael Ensley, at his high school in Reseda, Calif., about a half-hour northwest of Los Angeles. Heard was committed to a juvenile corrections facility until 2002.

But right after getting out, Heard was convicted of attempted first-degree murder the following year and was subsequently sent to prison. He was released in 2011.

Unfortunately, it doesn’t take much time before Heard apparently possessed with the overwhelming urge to kill again. Police found his wife stabbed to death in Sheveport, La., and believe Heard is the perpetrator of this egregious crime.

You still haven't provided these mysterious FBI stats that you claim to have (because they don't exist). There are no FBI stats on juvenile murderers who murder again after release.

Had we banned firearms already....

WWI wouldn't have broke out...

Germany doesn't slip into economic chaos via quantitative easement...

Hitler doesnt go poo-butt on the Jews and start WWII...

Germany doesnt loose to the Americans...

Communists don't infiltrate the Democrat party...

Hollywood can't conveniently overlook Stalin's horrors while demonizing the Nazi's...

Father doesnt join Neo-Nazi's...

Son doesn't shoot Father...

Man destroys God...

Man creates dinosaur...

Dinosaurs eat man....woman inherits the Earth.

This is yet ANOTHER story that makes me think of those FAMOUS words uttered by a FAMOUS person.....let's see if any of you can guess: "Weep not for me. Weep for yourselves and weep for your children".

And yet another convicted killer juvenile who kills (allegedly on 25 Dec 2012) again.

Bellevue Police said Tuesday they
were still searching for 19-year-old Ja'mari Alexander Alan Jones and had
secured an arrest warrant for the teen.

Jones is "a suspect in the murder
of a 30-year-old man early this morning at the Munchbar in downtown Bellevue,"
Bellevue Police said in a statement. "Jones is believed to be armed and
dangerous.

Jones was one of three teens
arrested in 2008 for the beating death of Ed Michael, who is better known by his
nickname "Tuba Man," CNN affiliate KOMO reported.

The teen was sentenced to less
than a year in juvenile detention for a first-degree manslaughter charge in the
death of the popular musician who played his tuba outside Seattle venues, the
affiliate reported.

That's right, Steve, when faced with examples of convicted juvenile killers who kill again after release you have nothing more to say, unless you choose to just make more vague references to some imaginary FBI stats that would somehow solidify your position.

Ron B-2757074

You're right i shouldn't have brought religion on this article it has nothing to with it. I was just saying that these are groups that bring hate to this country. The reason I said muslims was because more and more are starting to come into this country, a country they hate,and we let them come in,go to school to plot their plans. They don't need to be in the country.

And for the I "should add Christians to the lists" statement, that's a little retarded. There is a reason why I listed muslims. They are a group that hates everyone that is not muslim, and think that whoever is not muslim should die. I don't think there is that kind of hate in Christians. To me muslim is a hate group, and a race(arabs or whatever you call it) that's why I listed it. I was listing these racist and hate groups to let the person i was replying to know that white people are not the only race that is racist. Sorry to bring a religious group in on this.

Ron B-2757074

Sorry I don't have the time to help you with your mental masturbation

You where asked to give stats to back up your claim....and you can't.

go ahead tell yourself what ever you need to stand by your statement....Posting cases does nothing....I just makes me laugh and shake my head.

I have kids to take care of now, so have fun playing with yourself.

Seems like there are some issues floating around here that need to be addressed. This boy was ten when he killed his father, and there seems to be evidence that he was abused. The recidivist kills you bring up were fifteen years old and did not have the same motives. Since Edmund Kemper was even identified as both psychotic and sociopathic, I am still trying to figure out why he was released. Sociopaths don't get better.

Comparing a ten year old to a thrill killer and a sociopath is really stretching the points of relationship. A ten year old really is a child. A fifteen year old is often well down the path to a career in crime.

To those who are criticizing the judge for convicting the boy I have a couple of answers. First of all, he had no choice. The boy did the crime and there is evidence that it was premeditated. Secondly, as a guest of the state he has the chance of getting treatment sufficient to change his outlook on life. There are no guarantees, but at least he has a chance. Feed him into the foster care system and it would be really difficult to find him a good placement. Most foster parents, even the really good ones, would hesitate to take in a ten year old killer. Returning him to his mother is not an option. She is a heroin addict who stayed in an abusive relationship and allowed her children to be abused. I'm reasonably sure she has already moved on to the next abusive relationship and has nothing to offer this child other than more abuse and neglect.

Last, to the person who dismissed "slapped and whipped" as trivial. No child should ever be slapped in the face, but I have read plenty about children slapped so hard their eardrums burst, or their jaws shattered, or their skulls were fractured. I have read cases of children hit so hard they were lifted into the air and propelled across the room. Slapping can include a wide variety of blows and injuries, but the point remains that no child should ever be slapped in the face. It also said he was whipped. What was he whipped with? A coat hanger? A wooden spoon? A belt? I saw pictures of a little girl who had been whipped. From the base of her neck to her knees, that child's back was a mass of oozing, bleeding welts. So yes, I consider slapping and whipping to be child abuse. If you absolutely must hit a child, it should be with your hand, on their bottom, and it should not leave anything other than briefly reddened skin. So don't dismiss slapping and whipping. They can easily, and usually do, constitute child abuse.

All of that being said, it is possible this boy will not recover. We can hope that he does, but I think the odds are about fifty fifty.

I don't believe anybody can understand the mind of a seriously abused child unless you have walked a mile in his or her shoes. The non-stop terror and fear that pervades every waking hour. The loneliest feeling in the world of abandonment by those that should love and care for you most. Dropping obvious hints of the abuse to outside adults to find that your abuser only paints you as an emotionally unstable child with authority issues. The once caring adult walks away confused and unwilling to get involved in a family situation. The abuser then wrecks his or her revenge to assure you never make such an attempt again while being careful not to leave any physical evidence.

Hopeful thoughts of someday going to the authorities are suddenly vanquished. Your abuser has proved his cunning guile to convince them that you are the problem while his structured guidance will eventually correct your "numerous false accusations and disobedience".

Your options are now severely limited. Some choose suicide. How many abusers face charges for a kid that kills himself? Some choose to run away to a life on the streets. Where else would they go? Some feel lost with nothing left to lose and kill their abuser when the opportunity presents itself. The abuser is a long time terrorist. Killing a terrorist is not murder. Our own government tells us so.

Get this kid the help he always needed. He is not a criminal. Is he spoiled goods? Maybe. Maybe not. Despite all of the naysayers, we do have methods to assure his rehabilitation or maintain him in a humane institution for the rest of his life. The monetary cost to society is nothing compared to the gross negligence of society responsible for his misery through years of abuse during his formative years. We can do better. We MUST do better.

I say let the punishment fit the crime!

And having said that, seeing as his father was a regional director of a neo-Nazi organization, the only just and fitting sentence is that he be remanded to Disneyland (or Six Flags) until his 21st birthday... with all the corn dogs and cotton candy and anything else he can eat!

And a pony, too. Appaloosa if they have one.

wow bsb...from the 60's and 70's.....sure is relevant today huh?

gcooper8,

"And having said that, seeing as his father was a regional director of a neo-Nazi organization"

We fought WWII to defeat Nazism, and yet it keeps popping its ugly little head up in our own country. Odd, isn't it? Even during WWII we had a Nazi group in this country: The German-American Bund. England had its share of Nazis, too.

Steve, you are quite dumb. You seem to want me to give you "stats" instead of actual examples. As I stated, there are no compiled "such and such percentage of child murderers murder again" stats. I have proven that it happens but you fail to respond to the examples. You just continue on with your ignorant rant about "show me the stats". Useless blind liberals.

The point is, if a person murders once, be they juvenile or adult, there is definitely an increase in probability that they will murder again. It certainly stands to reason that a person who murders once is far more likely to commit murder again than someone who has never committed murder. Why make the public face that risk? Keep murderers locked up for life or execute them. Or, I have an idea, why don't we let liberal Steve take these homicidal juveniles into his home to live with his children. No? Didn't think so.

Posting cases does nothing....I just makes me laugh and shake my head

It's interesting that cases of juveniles who continue to murder after being released for committing murder makes you laugh.

@ Bonebreaker

Do you really read my comment? I think not… I showed my true colors you said…

What is the main purpose of the KKK? A civic group, to help people no matter the
color of the skin and place of origin… yeah… Then, what was the main purpose of the Black Panthers? Could you imagine a Black Panther party at the time of the KKK was at its peak? … a blood bath… We have to rewrite history, Don’t you think?

As far as history can tell us, the KKK stand for race dominance (much like the Nazis at that time) and power, NCAAP stand for civil right, social justice, at least that is what they stated in their mission. Black Panther was created as a consequence of the violence at that time, the rest to its own.

Every belief has its cause, justified or not, some fights for the freedom, some for justice (which can be really subjective topic) some just for power, dominance.

That is why I commented the haters groups are on the raise... bring it on...

Well, to give States I give you all this:

http://voices.yahoo.com/juvenile-crime-statistics-4570749.html

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr

This is Newsvine - Get smarter here.

The boy was taught to hate. He protected himself by killing the person he hated.

Sounds like self defense to me.

@Ron B: Niecy Nash? From Reno 911? And your next story was about a guy named Jones....hilarious!

Oh I'm sure it could've happened to a "nicer" family, like maybe yours! That was a horrible thing to say. That poor little boy and his sister were victims of abuse by both parents, so keep up or keep quiet!!! Where the hell is the biological egg doner? Her ass should be sitting in that cell not that baby's. That boy just needs someone to righteously love and take care of him & teach him that there's good in this world...somewhere....there is...somewhere....right?

RLR Shaaaddduuuuupppp!

Robin, not sure where the biological mother is. However, it was stated that she was a neo-natal substance abuser, which means she was taking either drugs or alcohol. It also said that she was a victim of the father's abuse. I don't think she was in her "right" mind. She may have even suggested to the boy that he "take out" the father to end their abuse because she was afraid to do it herself. We may never know.

Nature vs. nurture. I think the "lack of nurture" won out in this case.

Hopefully the judge will place this child in an institution where he can get the help he needs to overcome this horrific situtation and grow up to live a happy and fullfilled life.

It (article) said the mother used heroin. The boy may have FAS (Fetal Alcohol Syndrome), which covers a lot of other things besides alcohol. That being said it would depend on how he is assessed, meaning at what level the damage was done to him biologically, before his treatment can begin.

That assesment will come shortly after he is sentanced, if not already underway. I pray for the best for this child and hope that CSD has placed his sister in a caring home, as she is going to need to be assessed as well.

You know, I keep reading posts that the child just needs a good home and a lot of love and he'll probably turn out all right. What I am not seeing too often is something that was presented in the trial: that his mother was a drug user while she was pregnant with him. We don't have any idea what kind of damage that did to his brain during development. There is a possibility that if his brain is damaged, he could always have problems (anger, aggression, lack of empathy for others, etc.). It doesn't mean that he shouldn't get good counseling, love, and a positive environment to continue growing up, but we can't rule out that there may be physiological damage that may require medical intervention and lots of therapy.

Robin Lynne Rose. Sonya Sotomayer, Supreme Court Justice, who I personally do not trust because she leans so far to the left, made a statement on "60 Minutes" last night that made me spit up the Diet Coke I was drinking because I actually agreed with her. She stated that the years as a judge before going to the SC showed her that there are truly people who are "EVIL" and have no redeeming qualities and nothing could ever be done to change them...REGARDLESS! This coming from a liberal type who usually think that ANYBODY can be taught to walk the straight and narrow with enough TLC. Maybe, just maybe, this kid was one of those simply "EVIL" people that Ms. Sotomayor was relating to. Then again, maybe he did the world a favor.

John B, Oddly enough, a child born to a heroin addicted mother often has good outcomes. Unless the mother has AIDs or something like that, the heroin, in and of itself, doesn't seem to cause long term damage. (Although the child will always have to stay away from heroin as he is already a recovering addict) Alcohol does far more damage to a fetus. And the designer drugs cause all kinds of problems.

Yes, it sounds like prison is preferable to his family home. Sad situation.

He was taught to hate, and taught to use a gun. Who would have thought he would put that together and take it all out on the abusing father?

These chickens always come home to roost...

I read somewhere that when he was crying while he was telling investigators what he did one of the investigators asked why he did and he said he was protecting his sisters and himself from his dad. Do not know if that is true but that makes this even more unfair for this kid.

"Only under-normal people embrace Nazism" wins the award for most unintentionally hilarious post of 2013 so far.

yeahbuhwha: There's no telling what kind of damage posts like yours do to people who are innocently trying to express a point of view. So "do justice' may not phrase their statement exactly as you would. That doesn't mean their feedback isn't just as valuable as yours. If you really want to be the grammar police, go back to school, get a teaching certificate, and teach English (preferably in the public schools where we need good teachers).

Also... sins of the fathers

Yeah counselling fixes everything lol.

One less scum-bag!

those who live by hate and sow hate often don't realise its got 2 edges.

Russell Johnson-4375353--Perhaps 'deserve' may not seem like an appropriate word to you. But this man raised his son to hate. He raised his son to accept violence as a solution to a problem. When a child is raised with these precepts it shapes their LIFE. What this man did may not seem so horrific as to deserve death, but there was no one else to intervene in the situation, so a 10-year-old boy took the only way out--a way his FATHER created. There is some truth to 'Live By The Sword, etc."

If anyone looks for a biblical reference, there is a passage that relays that God says "Better a millstone be hung around his neck, rather than hurt one of my little ones." So, really that man was LOOKING for death and didn't know it.

My thoughts are: I hope the boy gets help and finds ways to live a life free of this. I hope he NEVER sees his mother again. I hope his sister gets cared for. As for that man...there are SEVEN BILLION people on this planet and his presence will not be overly missed.

skibum you're a troll. counseling comes with no guarantees. the alternative is to do nothing and turn him loose when his time (what ever that is) is up? that's gonna be productive!

I would hope for the same with the condition of a free pass that he is given medical and mental treatment in order to help come to some sort of closure and given the tools to help combat any future thoughts and feelings he may have that stem from his treatment from his parents. The fact that this boy was raised with abuse and violence can prove to be his undoing later in life if he isn't given proper treatment and counseling.

I agree. Without intensive treatment, this child will end up being a permanent menace to society. That said, I would call this justifiable homicide.

The only abuse mentioned here was to the mother or father, not really clear, it only states there was domestic violence between them and substance abuse of the mother while she was pregnant. where is the long history you are referring to.

ks1971,

The article doesn't mention abuse but those of us in California have followed this tragic story for 2yrs. During such time, it was revealed that his father physically and verbally abused him most of his young life and his dad was given custody of him because his mother was a drug addict and incapable of caring for him. Sad all around

@ ks1971

Again...

Riverside Superior Court Judge Jean Leonard acknowledged the boy's "long history of abuse and neglect."

ks1971, maybe you should try actually reading the article.

"the judge acknowledged drug use by the mother and physical abuse by the father"

please learn to read, beyond that, good for the kid, that's one less neo-nazi scumbag to deal with

Okay, I misread that it was coming from the judge, thought it was from the defense attorney and therefore not as reliable. I stand corrected. Still, unless the boy was being attacked at the time of the killing, it is murder and the child was still wrong. I dont care what the beliefs of the dad are. Dont get me wrong I absolutely hate the Nazi beliefs but I wouldnt go killing nazi supporters because of their beliefs.

ks1971, Does it occur to you that a child brain is not a mature brain, and that children of his age lack good impulse control, and that he's A CHILD, not AN ADULT? You're expecting far too much from a mind that's only been on the planet a handful of years, and subjected to abuse, neglect, and indoctrination the entire time.

Lighten up on the kid, and show us you know what "mercy" and "compassion" and "understanding" mean, mmmkay?

@ RMF - 'and a marksman badge!

ks1971,

You're wrong. If he was being attacked at the time, he would have been utterly incapable of defense. Living in a situation where his whole life is one of abuse and knowing he would have to live through years of it, it was self-defense to stop it when he could.

I grew up in an abusive house too. When I was young I used to cry at how far away 18 was. (I had no idea how I would live, that didn't matter, I just had a faint idea that 18 was freedom.) I always considered killing the abuser to keep from suffering anymore. I tried running away but that just got me beat even harder. There were times when I was very close to killing him, but I was afraid. I wasn't afraid of the legal system. I was naive. I thought they would celebrate the fact that I freed myself. I wasn't afraid that I was doing wrong. I knew I was right, and I knew I was saving myself and all of my brothers and sisters (I was the oldest) from future harm. No, my only fear was that I wouldn't get it right and then I would get even more severely beaten. Even now as an adult and well beyond those circumstances, I know I would have been right to kill him. It IS self defense. If you can actually succeed.

Bravo! You know I can kind of see where you're coming from! Only the abuse was by my sister (although I denied it until my other sister made me own it
) abuse can really mess you up, wish I had the tools to fight back

Chem and Kelli, I'm sorry you had to endure that and I'm really glad you have both escaped from it. I hope you are both doing well.

Amen to that comment. The "system" though may not have even known this kid existed. These groups tend to isolate, do "home-birthing" and home-schooling and keep as much as possible from the government. Nobody who knew the family would have reported any abuse (for fear or because they were a "supporter"), and the system is so broken that social service workers were probably worried about being sued (because of his "freedom to hate") or killed.

This kid (and his sister) need to be taken from the family, have their names changed and moved to another state and given counseling and education, not to be put in a juvenile system where his dad's "legacy" will follow him into more white supremacy gangs.

My guess is that his father's "beliefs", no matter how insane they may have been to an outsider, were covered under the first amendment. An argument could be made for those hard core believers among us - regardless of their religious beliefs - that they too are abusing their children with belief... but that's a topic for another news story... What strikes me is the fact that his mother abused various substances during her pregnancy. When he was born and the tests showed this, there should have been a red flag to the child protection agency in their city... obviously this was over looked. I can only imagine the things those children have had to deal with in their lives to drive a son to patricide... sad really.

I view what he did as self-defense. His father was about to remove the only mother he had ever known from his life and apparently the only person who loved and protected him from his father. Can you imagine how terrified this little boy must have been? This is no different from battered wife syndrome.

This kid's lifetime of violent behavior is entirely in keeping with a lifetime of abuse. That his school system never acted to remove him from his father is unconscionable. This kid was crying out for help from the beginning. He was failed on so many levels, and when he takes action to protect himself, he is labeled a murderer. Ridiculous.

I totally agree with you. This is a sad sad story.

I have been a Child Protective Services social worker "in the system" for over 25 years. We are not law enforcement or public safety employees. Laws passed by conservative state legislatures greatly limit what we can do. I go into the same crack houses, alley ways, and unsafe neighborhoods as the police, but I do it without a gun, a partner, or an official verhicle. I can't go into homes without the permission of the adult resident and cannot transport a child without parental permission. I can remove a child into foster care only if I can show enough evidence against the abuser in a court of law. It's not as easy as you think when your hands are tied. Why do I keep at it? Because this is my life's calling, it's the only system we have, and despite the challenges, we do have many, many cases of protecting children well, although those cases do not get reported in the media.

LSC, you also have cases where you have made the situation worse. Case in point, placing a child with a foster family who in turn molests them when the only problem at the natural parents house was a suspected physical abuse which was nothing more than mommy spaniking a deserving child. That child is now scarred for life of the homesexual abuse from the foster parent that he should never have been placed with nor taken from his mom and dad

ks1971,

I find it so interesting that the 'foster care abuse' you mention has to be 'homosexual' in nature... Really? As if abuse should always be a) sexual; b) same gendered. You need to read up on abuse and pedophilia. You will find out that abuse doesn't have to be sexual; and much abuse that happens in foster care is not sexual, but physical and mental.

I adopted two boys from the foster care system. They were both physically abused by heterosexual birth parents and foster parents. In both cases, the foster care system saved them from a much worse situation at the hands of their birth parents (and lovers). In one case, unfortunately, the foster parents became adoptive parents and then proceeded to deprive him of minimal comforts, under misguided ideas that God taught them to punish a resistant child...

People like LSC do much more good than bad, and they do so under terrible constraints and constant moral and ethical questioning of their own motives. Give them a break

ks1971, I hope you have a news link for that. Mommy spanking a deserving child? It would take welts and bruises for a child to be removed from that situation.

I hope that the foster parent was reported.

LSCWquilter

Laws passed by conservative state legislatures greatly limit what we can do

Laws passed to limit the intrusion of government are rarely a bad thing. Government is supposed to control government. Abuse should always be held in check especially when it can occur within the "system".

Valerio-1961

I find it so interesting that the 'foster care abuse' you mention has to be 'homosexual' in nature... Really?

Huh? He gave an example, I don't see where he implied the abuse "had to be" anything.

We should not blame the person actually trying to help because of the few who take advantage of a situation they are in. Yes, there are flaws in the system and there should be more monitoring of foster parents who are paid to take care of troubled children. But I am thankful there are people who have it in them to help these children.

One less neo nazi in the world..bravo young man

rusty, The system is sadly underfunded and many people are simply unable to accurately assess a bad situation. Besides which, the state doesn't really want the kids in the foster care system because that costs money.

The reality is that we pretend we have a society that loves children and we do very little to prove it. Tens of thousands of children and abused and neglected every year. We desperately need good foster homes, but for every good foster home there are several that are inadequate at best. Many people take foster kids primarily for the money. We say we love kids, but we resist any efforts to fund the programs they need to grow up to be happy, well adjusted adults.

Sadly, this is highly unlikely. Children learn to solve life's problems by the examples of their family.

Still, think about all the people who may have said, "imagine if someone could have killed Adolph Hitler before he took over half the world". This young man may have spared the world a megalomaniac.

I hope someone can give him a chance at a normal life: counseling, better life examples, a good education.

I think there is only one winner in this whole sad story, his little sister may have a chance to blossom.

California:

"This prosecutor needs to spend less time trying to chalk about wins and more time trying to be a human being."

A prosecutor be a human being? Surely you jest!

NEWS FLASH: Prosecutors make their living putting people in cages. The more people they put in cages; the more raises they get, and the more quickly they get promoted, and the sooner they can begin their political careers (where the real money is).

Prosecutors are not concerned with whether or not a person is innocent. That's the defense attorneys problem. All the prosecutor cares about is whether or not he can make a case, and put somebody in a cage. And they don't care who. You will do just as well as anybody else as long as he/she can make it stick.

He gets free beer from me as soon as he turns 21 :)

huh?

alluding to total disarmament of Joe & Jane public in the name of safe society.

I've got a better idea. Why not try something new like teaching respect, responsibility, and reason (hmmm-how'd that end up being 3 'r's?) during the socialization process?

There is no accountability for anything anymore. There is just a hand full of folks (polytichians) (yes, I know that is spelt wrong) (and I know that is too) that think they know what is good for the majority and by virtue of their self appointed divinity will delegate to the masses.

They hang out in Washington and a state capitol near you.

informed: You planning on running for office in the near future? You have my vote. Your reasoning is unassailable. No, no sarcasm.

informed guy, you are so right. The evil hate monger got his due. I do feel badly for the kid however.

All he knows growing up with a mother and dad like that...was violence.

Don't compare NRA members to neo-Nazis. Dumb*ss.

The gun and the son

That's pretty much it.

Would you say the same thing if this were a Black Panther member murdered by his son?

What do the Black Panthers have to do with the Nazis?

Rodney, comparing Black Panthers to Neo Nazis is like comparing President Obama to Hitler. Oh wait--that is something Rush Limbaugh Tea Party FOXERS do every day. Logic is out the window.

Black Panther? What a racist comment. Do you have any idea what a Neo Nazi is? You try and defend them in a slanted way by making a racist remark?