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In the two weeks since the start of the new year, Oakland, Calif. has already registered six homicides.
The city has been in chaos for the last several weeks as rival gangs have been shooting at each other. Over the weekend, 11 people were shot. On Friday, four people were killed within six hours. On Sunday, five people survived gunshot wounds.
City leaders on Monday decried the gun violence that has rung out across the city in recent weeks. But Police Chief Howard Jordan stopped short of formally requesting that Oakland be put in a “state of emergency,” saying that the police department is already operating as though it is.
Jordan spoke after returning from the scenes of two recent homicides in neighborhoods where he said people are living in "fear and helplessness."
Last year there were 131 homicides, the most since 2006, when there were 148.
Fifteen deputies from the Alameda County Sheriff's Department area already are working with Oakland Police, as is the U.S. Marshal Service, the California Highway Patrol and religious ministers. The city has asked the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives to track down some of the guns.
A state of emergency is a government declaration that can free up money and potentially suspend rights and freedoms of residents, depending on the situation.
In this case, however, Chief Jordan said that putting Oakland into a formal state of emergency, would only result in just seven days of help. That would be a short-term fix, he said.
Vice Mayor Larry Reid told the Bay Area News Group this weekend: "We've lost control. It's time for us to declare a state of emergency."
On Monday, City Councilman Noel Gallo told NBC Bay Area that he supports "any tool that helps our police chief."
Gallo added: "We've got to reestablish order."
In a statement, Oakland police said its department is "actively and aggressively investigating the four homicides on Friday.” The department said it has determined that the violence is related to ongoing feuds between several groups.
The Oakland Tribune reported that the rivalry is over a woman.
Here is what is known about Friday's homicides:
- According to police, a 22-year-old Oakland man shot and killed around 2:30 p.m. Friday in the 2300 block of East 17th Street in the Fruitvale District. His name is being withheld pending notification of relatives.
- Around 3 p.m., another man was shot and killed on Canon Avenue near Wellington Street, next to Dimond Park. He was identified as 30-year-old former Oakland resident Larry Lovette of Stockton.
- At 4:15 p.m., 21-year-old Oakland man Eddiebo Rodriguez was fatally shot in the 3400 block of West Street in West Oakland. He later died at the hospital.
- In East Oakland, a 17-year-old boy identified as Ken Harbin of Oakland was also fatally shot in the 9400 block of Hillside Street.
NBC Bay Area's Christie Smith contributed to this report.
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Round up the gang members. Bus them out to the Mojave and leave them there with one gallon of water. Give them something to really fight over.
Drug
dealers and criminals love gun bans...
Dear
President Obama,
Let
me begin by saying that you can count on us to support your efforts in
disarming American citizens in any way we can.
The
Fast and Furious operation backfired a bit in this regard, but I’m glad to see
it hasn’t stopped you.
As
you know, we are making inroads on US soil. We’ve set up significant operations
in the Southwest, one area where armed citizens can be a bit of trouble to us,
especially if they own land we cross or are adjacent to.
We
view their disarming with a positive attitude. I would say your basic
gun-grabbing strategy is primarily aimed at the American West. The border
states need to be cleaned out. The fewer people there who have guns
(particularly those with high-capacity clips), the easier it is for us.
But
since our drug trafficking lines take in most of America, wherever citizens
aren’t armed we’re generally in better shape.
I’m
pleasantly surprised that media in your country haven’t pressed you to name the
areas where most gun violence is taking place. After all, if your objective is
to reduce that violence, you would think a campaign directed at gangs in inner
cities would rank number one on your to-do list.
Those
areas and those gangs do subcontracting work for us (and other Mexican
cartels). Leaving them in place is a priority for us. So congratulations on
being able to skirt this tricky issue. Your cojones are, indeed, huge.
Please
pass along my thanks to Brian Williams, Scott Pelley, and Diane Sawyer. I assume
they are in your pocket and carrying your message. Undoubtedly, they are also
refraining from bringing up the gang issue. Whenever I speak with the president
of Mexico, I point out your masterly and deft control of media as a model we
should emulate.
Now
to the real reason I’m writing. In Chicago, your crime stronghold, one of our
people is on trial. This is a sensitive matter, as you know.
Whenever I speak with
the president of Mexico, I point out your masterly and deft control of media as
a model we should emulate.
Now
to the real reason I’m writing. In Chicago, your crime stronghold, one of our
people is on trial. This is a sensitive matter, as you know.
The
defendant, Jesus Vicente Zambada-Niebla, wants to expose our arrangement. This
must not happen. So far, your DEA and CIA have managed to gain trial delays.
Niebla
and his lawyers are ready to offer documents that show the Sinaloa has US
federal permission to ship tons of drugs into Chicago, and from there to other
distribution points in the US.
Niebla
will reveal this deal was made so that Sinaloa would provide valuable
information on our rival cartels to the DEA and the FBI.
Therefore,
Niebla will point out that he has special immunity from prosecution. That was
part of the deal for high-ranking Sinaloa members.
Fortunately,
his trial hasn’t been played up in the American press. Again, well done.
Coverage has been stifled. It’s stayed on the back burner, and the CIA and DEA
are claiming no such immunity deal exists for Niebla.
But
at the same time, the CIA has been making motions in court to have documents
excluded from the trial on the basis of National Security.
This
is a gross tip-off to our deal, and it doesn’t sit well with me. It’s awkward.
I’m sure you agree, Mr. President.
The
last thing we need here is exposure, especially while you’re pushing forward
your gun-grabbing program.
Sinaloa
has members and agents and sub-contractors operating all over the US, and
naturally these people are armed. They not only sell drugs, they shoot people.
We can’t control everything they do.
They
get into intramural squabbles and use their weapons to settle disagreements.
Bodies pile up. Sometimes, innocent people are killed.
Our
subcontractors commit unrelated crimes that have nothing to do with drugs. They
rob, they steal, they shoot, they kill.
If
it comes out that Sinaloa and all its component parts, operating within US
borders, are contributing mightily to high gun-violence statistics—
And
if it comes out that Sinaloa has a special arrangement to do business in the US
without fear of disruption—
Your
gun-grabbing program and our operations will both be in dire jeopardy.
And
the blow-up in the press will be catastrophic for both of us.
You
and I understand this is just business, but other people don’t see it that way.
Therefore,
Mr. President, I’m stating, in the strongest terms possible, that the Niebla
trial in Chicago has to be shut down, one way or another.
Either
a quiet plea deal has to be struck, or we will be forced to do something
drastic. Soon.
If
I’m reading you right, and I believe I am, your gun-grabbing program is just
one step in an Operation Chaos aimed at destabilizing your country.
In
the past, we have contributed to that agenda, and we continue to do so. We
don’t pretend to understand this whole game at its higher levels, but to us
that doesn’t matter. We’re in business to make money and sell product.
We
support you.
And
we expect you to support us.
Congratulations
on achieving a second term in office. Please pass along my regards to President
Bush, his father, and President Clinton.
By
the way, in case you weren’t briefed on the specifics of the Aurora and Sandy
Hook shootings, I want to state, unequivocally, that no Sinaloa member provided
professional services in those operations, which were obviously aimed at
provoking a successful follow-up gun-control program.
Yours
truly,
XXXXXX
CEO,
Sinaloa
sheepled, your post is a pathetic crock of @!$%#.
PS...........Good show with the "meetings" you are having Joker Joe Biden hold. The press is eating it up, still thinking you are actually listening to all those "stakeholders"......I laughed my ass off when I heard that one, brother.
It's time to try something new.
Place high resolution video cameras at all strategic corners to provide continual surveillance, and then have both high resolution video and radar cameras with ground links in an unmanned (but ground controlled) balloon, and then when a crime is reported at a location, the high resolution video cameras can spot (in playback mode) and track the perpetrators (in high speed mode) to their current location, where the police can arrest them.
Such an 'eye in the sky' would have a chilling effect on criminal activity.
ROY the chilling effect comes when the gang banger gets to jail, they get three hot meals and cable tv and health care most retired folks die for. We need tough prisons for these tough criminals and not some day camp with revolving doors!
Another dead gang member? Good. He got what he was looking for and saved us the tax dollars of feeding him in prison. When they shoot each other, the rest of us win.
ROY WILSON-336103
You're NOT proposing anything new. You're proposing more of the same obscene catch and release policies that have proved to be a monumental failure.
Let them eliminate each other. Those that survive, put away for the rest of thier pathetic lives. Or provide them the option of euthanasia.
Stupid Comment XDm9mm & Ruffin...
XDm9mm...would you say the same thing about the Irish and the English?
Probably not, because to me your remark sounds racists.
I've heard on here far too much the cry of "let the blacks kill each other".
But, to me it's getting like this in the white community as well.
Now do you have the same opinion?????
Just know that all life is precious...
I believe this is what happens when 98% of the citizens are fighting for 2% of earnings in this country.
People start to kill each other and killing has no color...
Peel Layer....
GOOGLESAMONOPOLY.. first of all, your name is stupid. Google is clearly not a monopoly, it's just the dominant player in the market.
And, of course my comment sounds racist to you... it would to an ignorant person such as yourself. In my comment I said "gang member". You are the one who attached a color to it. Who's racist now?
Let me make this simpler for your feeble mind. When a white, black, yellow, purple, green, or orange gang member gets killed. Good!!!
Life is precious only to those who treat it that way. If you want to be a tough gang kid, I hope you get killed. I have no sympathy for people with complete disregard for others.
Well said rufn serious! Let them kill eachother, because any other interference will cost us tax payers money!
The NRA claims that the more guns there are out there the safer we will all be. If that's true there should be no violence in Oakland since there clearly are plenty of guns there.
Gang bangers killin each other is this really a story? Does anyone care? I guess if they are white kids at an elementry school they do. Maybe because those kids in the school had real parents that cared for them. Maybe we should ban bad parents in these sh*t neighborhoods. Take their kids away when they are little so they cant poison them with their trash "hood" thinking. Sterlize the crap parents so they cant pollute the citys with thier demon seed. Bam you cut out 70% of the gun murders in the US.
What the NRA says is that when law abiding citizens turn their guns in, criminals will be the only ones with guns. You really think these street gangs are going to line up to turn in their guns? Most of these gangs are funded by cartel. Everytime the government nabs a gang member with a gun, they will just give another gun to another kid. You are treating the symptom, not the disease.
Theo-3270314
You sound just like the MSM, and you even left out part of the story to fit your agenda.
"The NRA claims that the more guns there are out there in the hands of LAW ABIDING CITIZENS the safer we will all be."
I have a solution, and it is even a GREEN solution. How about we set up jails next to all these garbage "Transfer Stations" (you know where the local trucks drop it off to be loaded on bigger trucks to be hauled elsewhere) and we put in convey lines and let the convicts sort out the recyclable stuff so we don't have to pay to haul everything away. Then we can sell the stuff to recyclers.
We need to remember that it was the "Gang bangers" of the 20's that got our 2nd amendment rights infringed upon the first time. (also during an era of prohibition)
It was organized crime using machine guns not spree shootings or mass killers that resulted in the '34 FCA. We need to remind our Representatives we need to control the criminals that use these guns, not the guns or lawful persons that use them.
An "Assault Weapons" ban is not going to deter or stop this kind of violence. We need to end gang violence, much of which is fueled by drug trafficking. We need to get off the fence on how we treat drugs in this country. Either legalize it(not my first choice) or make it a capital offense, and exterminate this pestilence.
C-O-N-T-E-X-T...
The report did not include any context for the shootings.
1) Were these shootings committed by people who legally owned the weapon?
2) Were the shootings against innocent victims, or criminals against criminals?
3) Were the victims randomly chosen, or specifically chosen?
P-A-N-I-C...
This is what ensues when the media reports only half the news (the half that promotes their politics).
What very clearly is NOT HAPPENING... responsible citizens are not legally purchasing firarms, then running around the city randomly shooting at people. However, this is the attitude in which the shooting hysteria bandwagon media is reporting things. THEY DO NOT USUALLY BOTHER TO POINT OUT THAT MOST SHOOTINGS ARE TARGETED, AND THAT MOST ARE CRIMINAL AGAINST CRIMINAL. Does that mean we should ignore these shootings? NO WAY! I am merely pointing out that these important details are often either buried deep into a story, or left out all together. "Just selling the news...don't blame us!"
Listen, I realize that many of you already know this stuff, but there are still many people out there who simply don't know any better and do not think that news reporting is politically slanted. Many of them simply don't recognize this fact until they are somewhere in the late 30s to middle 40s, own a home, have some kids etc. But sadder still is that many NEVER get it! So it is up to us to let them know about this secret. How can you tell which ones don't know? Well, they almost always argue against you when you try to point it out to them. Don't believe me? Try for yourself!
...oh, and by the way... regarding context, before one of you responds back to me with....
"the article says at the top that,
"The city has been in chaos for the last several weeks as rival gangs have been shooting at each other."
I am referring to the lack of SPECIFIC context in the four specific instances that they cite... FOR INSTANCE was the 22 year old Oakland man killed by someone who legally owned the gun that he used? Was he himself legally carrying a firearm? I don't know because the report did not say. But I have a feeling that they did not legally own their guns.
Theo-3270314,
You wrote,
"The NRA claims that the more guns there are out there the safer we will all be. If that's true there should be no violence in Oakland since there clearly are plenty of guns there."
Again...CONTEXT MATTERS! Sure there are lots of guns, but are they legal guns? Who owns them? Who's using them? Why are they using them? Almost every time, it is illegally owned and operated for the purpose of attacking a specific person (an enemy of theirs). It is almost never, legally owned and randomly used against random people. There is a BIG difference between the two!
Ah yes, the ever popular catchall where if someone makes a comment that you disagree with, simply claim that they are a shill for <insert some group/business etc>. Usually used in conjunction with witticisms like kool-aid drinking, sheeple, libby this libby that.
I thought Moon Beam Brown cleaned up the city of Oakland and cured it of all its ills as Mayor before he ran for Attorney General of California?
GOOGLESAMONOPOLY
I don't see anything in XDM9mm's comment that says anything at all about race.
However, if the killings are done by gangs that are ethnically oriented, so be it. Gangs are destroying ALL the cities in the US, and will eventually cause martial law to be enacted. Why the government hasn't labeled them as terrorist organizations is a complete mystery..... no, wait..... the reason is because these gangs are made up of minority thugs and as long as minorities are allowed to parade their race cards they are protected by all the organizations that rant and rave about guns on the streets and the NRA... which they DO claim is a terrorist organization because they say it is made up of white people.
You whiners need to STH up about the crimes in the inner cities and the guns in the gangs until you are willing to acknowledge where it comes from and clean it up without making excuses for race.
Chris from Yucaipa
And at what point did I call Theo a "kool-aid drinking, sheeple, libby this libby"? Did I, or did I not simply go on to correct his statement?
Something you are lacking here. What part of my comment was wrong? What part needed correcting? Is the MSM not all left leaning? Do they indeed not leave out parts of stories? Did you not read Kolchak's comment? Did he not point our some glaring holes in this "story" (There are huge holes in the Sandy Hook reporting as well) You simply imply I am some sort of hack. (marginalize) You can not argue the statement made so you must discredit the speaker. What a loathsome little creature you must be.
I have been watching CNN for a while, and they are getting almost as liberal as MSNBC (the Ministry of Socialist News Broadcasting Communism). I don't even bother with NBC (Nothing But Communism) And CBS and ABC are very close behind.
@ Kolchak
Good Call. the one question you left out
4). How many of these shootings were in self defense?
@ Scremin
They can't call them Terrorist, that is racist, just like the Benghazi thing, those weren't terrorists either. It might upset or offend his Hispanic or Muslim supporters.
One thing you all need to understand is that Obama is an anti-Imperialist Communist at heart. (read his book) And he thinks of America as the last Imperialist nation. So in his mind, these are freedom fighters fighting the oppressive US Corporate Imperialists. Of course he must maintain his overt cover of being an American President and denouncing these things, but if you watch his actions, a lot of what he is doing will benefit those "freedom fighters"
America is changing, safety is a thing of the past now its thugs and drugs. Sorry for the folks living in Oakland. When I was a kid I remember going to the ringling brothers circus in Oakland. playing at the lake ETC I guess all that has changed.
Remind you of the 1930s? Welcome to clintons "Great Depression pt.2".
What is the problem possible? there is a law against the use of a firearm in the commission of a crime, the possession of a firearm for citizen with criminal history, in oakland the possession of a firearm by a minor! Maybe we need a new law to make the problem go away, maybe one that requires every head of householdd to possess and regular training in the use of a registered firearm and law exempting prosecution if used in defense of public safety for every resident over the age of 30 without a history of mental illness and criminal record? might work a lot better than political grandstanding to appease the sheep and does nothing constructive.
Sure. Arm everyone. That's a great solution to make gun violence decline. I mean, what can go wrong if everyone is armed? Right?
@KRAZYMOP
Actually that is a very good idea! Or maybe you just don't want to accept the truth! In every state where citizens are armed, violent crime has dropped on average 25%!!
YES, arm everyone!
That way we all know each of us have guns and that they also know how to use them.
Works in Switzerland.
No it doesn't. The reason nearly every home in Switzerland has a firearm in it is that all males from 18 to 50 are members of the Swiss National Defence Force and store their weapons at their homes, no ammo, just their weapon. They go through military training and do annual training every year. It's not a bunch of yahoos storing 50 weapons in their homes with enough ammo to refight the Battle of the Buldge.
stephen, i have to call foul on your comment of "no ammo",why are you making that up?
Stephen Coder
And just how many of these "yahoos" go on a shooting bender every weekend?
@ NC
A quote I am fond of:
A big problem is America criminal justice system turning known gang members/felons loose faster than the police can arrest them.
krazy and stephen, so you see a problem with arming everyone?
Your rhetoric aside, what would you do if you suddenly had access to an AR - had one placed in your house? Shoot everyone you could? No? YOU would be more responsible than that I suppose. Then why do you think yourselves better than those that choose to be armed? Why are they all gonna go on rampages and you aren't?
Hear of the psychological term projection? Look it up.
They should ban all guns in Oakland. A tough law should work, just like Chicago.
Have you bothered to look at the murder rates for Chicago lately? Some of the strictest gun laws in the country and yet the thugs seem to have no problem getting their grubby hands on them.
They banned guns in Mexico. The citizens cannot get a gun except under VERY unusual conditions. And there is only ONE gun shop in the WHOLE country. But of course the CRIMINALS AND GANGS AND CARTELS ALL HAVE GUNS. So the citizens cower in their houses. That is when they are not forced to leave them.
When will you people ever realize that taking away constitutional rights is NOT the solution.
i think he's being sarcastic guys,there already are strict gun laws in oakland. kinda like chicagos
I'm pretty sure GTR5 was being sarcastic.
You people? ...
Firstly, the mexican thugs are getting their weapons from the United States.
Secondly no one is talking about taking away any constitutional rights. Where are you getting your information? Show me one source. One mainstream politician who wants to repeal the second ammendment. You can not do it.
If your arguement is we can not make a dent in the gun violence so why even try, then I reject your arguement. And I have yet to hear a logical reason why we should not close the gunshow loophole or have all these military type weapons out there. Ask any law enforcement agency what they think. YOU PEOPLE do respect law enforcement right?
One last thing: The majority of americans favor more gun control. Before you call me a libtard or any of the other tired insults, look it up!!!
jeff,
No, the dent will not be made with more laws. It will take many measures to do any good.
What in the hell is a military-type weapon? Is it looks for you? If it is being automatic (NOT semi automatic) we already have restrictions on those.
No, the majority do not want more gun control. They want to stop the killings and they know that gun bans will not do it.
jeff-535466
Quite the contrary Jeff. If you have information otherwise, from a viable source, and that is not the WH web site, Handgun Control Inc., the Brady Campaign, the web sites of Governor Cuomo, Nancy Pelosi, Dianne Feinstein, please post it.
jeff,you are wrong,period,you're just sad and making things up because MAJORITY is PROGUN! don't worry though, you don't HAVE to look at those SCARY bushmasters,just turn away.
Lawless people don't care how many new laws are written. They will ignore those just like they ignore the others that are already in effect.
Jeff: Your wrong about the police backing the ban as well.
A Gwinnett County police supply company is drawing national attention and a lot of heat over its new gun policy.
Dana Safety Supply of Sugar Hill specializes in weapons and equipment for law enforcement, but it also sells to the general public.
Last Friday the company announced it would no longer sell any assault weapons, semi-automatic rifles, to anyone other than police.
That move has prompted a boycott from a North Georgia sheriff.
"I'm not going to use our citizens' taxpayer money or my personal money to buy anything from DSS, it's really quite simple," Oconee County Sheriff Scott Berry told 11 Alive News on Monday.
The longtime sheriff says he's been flooded with phone calls and emails of support from all over the country, including many from law enforcement officers.
He defends the right of any citizen to own an assault rifle.
"The weapons aren't the problem, but we have a mental health crisis in this country; we have a people problem in this country that's not being addressed," Sheriff Berry added.
Bah, I luvs mah gun (luvs mah gun!) and mah religion, and I'm clinging to them both
The only way the inner city will be safe from gang bangers is if we give more minorities more guns. If we all have a right to bear arms, then we all (all of us) need to have more guns.
Afterall, who knows more about being oppressed by a tyranical government that seeks to control them than African-Americans, and does America fear most than African-Americans, and who are the biggest vicitims of gun violence but African-Americans, and who does America most NOT want to see armed to the teeth... African-Americans.
Therefore it only makes sense that we dump buttloads of guns into the inner city because we all know how safe more guns makes us. And who needs the most help repelling gangbangers and tyranical police, and really who needs to have assault rifles at the ready when the revolution starts and people start shooting folks because they're just certain Obama is going to drive the country into the ground and usher in a new era of socialism and rap music videos... you guessed it.
So don't be afraid... let's do what we gotta do to make sure ALL Americans have the guns they need to really make everyone feel safe and secure and confident that if the mess goes down that it won't go down without a knock-down, drag-out, shooting-in-the-streets like the Tombstone of old or the movie "Heat"-type fight and start giving some poor minorities more and more (and even more) guns.
I thank you, my hommies thank you and, most importantly, the gun manufacturers thank you all the way to the bank. God bless, and more guns!!
@ Jeff-535466
“If I could have gotten 51 votes in the Senate of the United States, for an outright ban, picking up [every gun]… … Mr. and Mrs. America, turn ‘em all in. I would have done that. I could not do that, the votes weren’t here.” Dianne Feinstein, D-Senator California
“confiscation (of guns) could be an option.” Andrew Cuomo D-Governor New York
You asked for one, I gave you two.
thank you Ciewywtb42mh6sps-23! Spoken like a true paranoid, gawd fearin' consurvativ (spelled incorrectly for purposes of accurate recreation)!
Ciew, you and PRober make such great arguments with your blatant disregard for facts (which you'll never use, of course, because they are against you).
Sprinkle in some intellectual insecurity and bullying tactics. Add a dash of fear-mongering and insecurity, with a cup of ignorance for flavor - and you have the 'progressive' left. So so very tolerant of others.
Good thing for you guys you have most of the media, because it boils down to this:
"We don't like the scary black gun, so we want it to go away."
Very much like children scared of the monster under the bed. Won't change a damn thing with a ban, but you're selfish and institutional enough to implement your personal beliefs on others. Saying "you don't care about those children!' while using their deaths to further your agenda.
All while calling these others who dare to go against your personal belief beliefs 'consurvativ' or some other such nonsense. You two really do have a staggering intellect. Derpward we go!
Yes Tony D I was just being sarcastic. Chicago is a great example for banning guns.
Everyone move to Chicago ..
they are all fighting about who gets the most handouts from the government
A flashback from Connecticut to show what they claimed were the solutions back then. And we still have that "assault weapons" ban passed in 94.
Ban These Killer Firearms
May 18, 1993
Those who make the laws should listen to those who enforce them: Assault weapons are the guns of choice of drug dealers and gangs, not deer hunters.
This week the state Senate is expected to vote on a ban on sales of semiautomatic assault weapons such as AK-47s, firearms originally designed to kill soldiers. The measure is similar to bans enacted in California and New Jersey, where lawmakers faced down opposition by the National Rifle Association.
Now it's Connecticut's turn. Will senators also have the courage to outlaw some of the favorite firearms of lawbreakers? Will they vote to take military-style weapons out of the civilian market? Will lawmakers resolve to remove from city streets the sort of guns American soldiers seized in Somalia? Many police chiefs and other law enforcers back the ban. Opponents, deprived of their usual law-and-order arguments, are stressing instead the ban's threat to jobs. Included in the list of firearms to be banished is one Connecticut-made weapon, the Colt Sporter. But Colt sells only about 500 weapons in Connecticut, too few to touch the bottom line.
When the bill comes to a vote, the senators should ask themselves: Whose rights would they be protecting if they rejected the assault-weapon ban? The rights of gang members to get their hands on Street Sweepers, not the rights of hunters or of law-abiding, home-defending residents.
A different kind of scorekeeper than the gun lobby will be watching the vote: citizens fed up with the prevalence of weapons. They'll be tallying the lawmakers voting on the side of zealots who claim that possessing semiautomatic assault weapons is a sacred right
http://articles.courant.com/1993-05-18/news/0000101942_1_assault-weapon-ban-assault-weapons-semiautomatic-assault
So much for their new gun law solution promises...
All it did was give a "warm fuzzy false feeling of security" Did absolutly nothing, nothing at all. If DC does it again it will provide the same nothing. Knee jerk action to accomplish nothing.
And that is really sad, especially for us in Connecticut.
Even Obama concedes that in Chicago the gang bangers are NOT using AK-47s to kill each other, His words not mine . And I do use the Ar-15 to hunt deer, and elk chambered in .450 bushmaster ( a dedicated hunting round ) 7.62x35mm A multi-purpose round suited for deer, and the evil 7.62x39mm AK round a legal and efficient deer killer .
Seems to me another "Sanctuary City" gets what it really wanted.
And yes it's coming to a City near me too.
and me too brother,they want the whole country to look like these places,thanks alot mr prez and you incompetent f@#ks in congress!
Criminals are killing criminals. This is saving the taxpayers hundreds of thousands of dollars in jail, court and medical costs.
It is also the proof that gun bans don't work.
It is also the proof that the drug war is a lost cause.
Legalize, regulate and tax all drugs. The gangs immediately have no market so they wither and die. Use the tax money from the drugs and alcohol and tobacco to fund the health care and addiction treatment for the users.
This also stops the boys from thinking they can get rich quick as drug dealers so maybe they will stay in school and get an education and become useful productive members of society instead of repeat offener felons.
This could also influence the girls to stay in school and not get pregnant since there wouldn't be all those rich drug dealer boys running around looking cool and able to pay for sex.
"...so they wither and die..." ... or come through your window at 3am.
Rich drug dealers? Drug dealers are usually dirt poor. Where'd you get the idea they were rich?
This will continue to happen across America until you get tuff on gangs.
the gangs are pushing the drugs and politicians look the other way,to law-abiding people and we should listen tthem? stop the bull@!$%#! if you are too afraid to take care of these gangs i will volunteer,no prosecution to me just execution of them,and if i die so be it! no new laws! get off your lazy fat asses and DO something! citizen soldiers in the cause for safety!(ranting to politicians)
Oakland is no joke. I grew up about 15 minutes away and had several friends from East Oakland. Needless to say it was always an adventure going to visit them. The worst was at night when people would spread broken glass on the streets to prevent cops from going on their block. Not fun changing a tire at 1:00 am in Oakland.
I honestly don't know what can be done to fix it. It truly is a broken city. There are lots of good, hard-working people there but it seems as if they're becoming outnumbered. It's a damn shame. And it's no better in San Francisco, Richmond, East Palo Alto, Vallejo, San Jose or Pittsburg. The Bay Area has a lot of room for improvement. The nice areas are very nice, and the bad areas are very bad. Seems to be very little middle ground. I love it here but it NEEDS to get better.
Why is it that we read day after day things that actually prove that gun laws are not followed by crooks, gangs and the mentally disturbed. Chicago will not accept it nor will other cities with a horrable problem. It proves that this country has a major people problem. Pass a law, ban a gun, the only people that will follow the law are not the problem.
I do agree with some of the gun law ideas (for instance, I don't see any need for an assault weapon), but you're right in that gun regulations will do nothing to stop the vast majority of crime in the US.
Obama simply sees the classroom shooting as a political opportunity to further his agenda and is jumping on it.
There must be another way...maybe legalizing drugs?
Typical Oakland life. Gangs run the city, just like Chicago and Detroit.
Not making fun of the subject of the article....but how can you be fatally shot and then die later...at the hospital?????????? Can anyone say PROOF READ?!
Because you died from the gunshot... later, at the hospital!
PROOF THINK
Definition of fatally:
in a manner leading to death or disaster: He was injured fatally in the accident.
These are Cultured Folks. They snuck in the Country, started dealing drugs and procreating. Now their are too many of them. Send in the Navy Seals and thin the herd.
Can't thin OBamavoters. Will need them to extend His regime for lilfe.
Maybe we should bring our troops home from all the other countries trying to defend them and have them defend us from the gangbanger punks and cowards killing people in Detroit, Oakland, Chicago and other cities under seige.
These little cowards and their dope dealing and killing need to be wiped out once an for all. This country needs better leadership from the White House where nothing is done to stop this violence. All Obozo and his idiot crew wants to do is take the guns away from law abiding citizens while the gansta punks roam free to kill and rob.
How about Al Sharpton and Colin Powell concentrating on the black on black crime and quit wasting time about blaming republicans! Come on Powell how about getting involved in something worth while for a change!
they do NOTHING but take easy targets(law-abiding people) rights away while these guys overrun everything! i volunteer,no prosecution for me! i will go where they fear to and take as many as i can before i go! no new laws will change this @!$%#! we will ALL be sitting ducks to these f@#ks!
Blah, blah, blah......Assault weapons WILL once again be banned. The majority of americans want it. You do too! Don't you know that?
That's what they are teling me.....
And of course you believe that. I believe everything I'm told. Ever notice how people who think for themselves are called names? Peer pressure at it's best.
No, Bob, I do NOT want assault weapons banned. I want laws enacted that make it a little harder for mentally disturbed persons to buy guns than what it is now. Do you know what safeguards us from this? A SINGLE QUESTION on a form you fill out: "Are you now or have you ever been under treatment for mental illness or depression?". There is NOTHING done to verify that answer. The head case (no offense to anyone meant) who lies and answers NO has committed a felony but because there is no verification process he or she gets the gun! I want to see laws that mandate safe storage regulations and if a person violates them and one of their guns is taken and used to kill they should face, at minimum, accessory to murder charges. I own assault weapons and I WANT CHANGE. I want to know that people like me, who advocate safe, common sense gun ownership, can do so while keeping these same kinds of weapons out of the hands of emotionally ill people who would use them to kill. While assault rifles are not the most useful (or legal) gun to hunt with, they ARE a joy to shoot, and my DPMS A4 (civilian semi-auto version of the U.S. military carbine) is the best gun I have found for deep penetration camping. It is light weight, accurate, dependable, and with a 30 round magazine it is ideally suited for camp defense from packs of brave coyotes and wolves that show little fear of humans. I also found it the ideal firearm for teaching my five daughters to shoot as it is high powered yet low recoil so they would not fear the "kick". So no, I do NOT want assault weapons banned. I want and would GLADLY abide by laws that would make it near impossible for a mentally ill person to own one even if it means it makes it a little harder for me. Hell YES I would make that trade.
Chicago West! Another Obama Town, Welfare and food stamps!
Don't let me spoil the fun Skippy but it was filth and scum during all the Republicans reign. Last three of five loser Prez's were Republicans. Regan the Buffoon, George Sr. and George the Idiot Jr. So take your whaa whaaa whaaa elsewhere. Obama won and Republicans are going to suffer for another 16 years with the next group of Democrats in the pipeline. You want to place blame on something blame yourself.
Dawg: Are you flapping your mouth again or can you prove what your posting? Because the way you posted it, it all most makes you sound like a person with less that a half a working brain cell. Or just plain totally stupid.
Flufnek2001, touch a nerve?
Definition of "mass confusion": Father's Day in Oakland.
Not to put too much levity on a very serious situation, but this post seriously left me ROTFLOL!
A few gang bangers comming after you might change your mind on your need for a real practicle selfdefense weapon. A good ar with a 30 round mag fully loaded would make them think twice and might save your life. Trying to talk them out of it killing you wouldnt work real well without some backup. A shotgun with double 00 buckshot also works really well.
Who among you seriously think bans on guns of any kind are going to stop gang violence? And one day when the gangs make relative peace and respect each other's turf, killing each other will give way to robbing people with nice houses, because, after all, what profitith a man to rob a house in a poor area, except for the drugs.
Hey Obozo and Feinstein you want my bushmaster and the gangbanger punks can still keep their AK-47 to kill and rob more citizens!! How about getting your VP BFD Biden to stop the violence in the cities! Have these morons who are killing innocent people over their drug turf had their background check? You idiot liberal nuts make me sick!!
100% agree!
Its thugs klliing thugs,, big deal.. whats their motto,, "get rich or die tryin"
it's not always thugs that get killed,there are people who...work that have to live in these liberal made @!$%#holes
Why doesn't the City of Oakland & the police depatment get pro-active and not operate after the fact. Round up the gang-bangers, illegal aliens, drug trafficers, and prosecute them. As the state for the national guardand state police if necessary. Who's to blame? The city for letting these scum run around free in society to commit murders and other violent crimes. These people are not law-abiding citizens with firearms. Yes California, take away the firearms of law-abiding citizens so the criminal can have their illegal firearms and commit violent crimes. Oh! yes California, Oakland, & the ACLU, you would not want to violate the rights of these scum & minorities, but it's okay to take away the rights of law-abiding people to protect themselves. OAKLAND GET PRO-ACTIVE.
they're too AFRAID to be pro-active! citizen soldiers need to just take this scum out! no trial no bull@!$%# prosecution!
Because liberal courts and judges have decreed that these people have rights. And if a cop tries to get tough with some gang banger scumbag, they could lose their jpb, and themselves be prosecuted. Nobody is going to stick their neck out. Our society has crumbled, and we have fallen over the edge of sanity. It's too late...
We started having some gang problems here in Gawga some years back. Odd how killin um ended it.
Funniest was the spree of daylight breakins we had. Ended when the gangstas broke into an old man's home. He blew all three of them back out the front door with his 12 gauge pump. Naturally the lawyers tried to file charges. They just couldn't find a grand jury to indict him...
Or the spree of carjackings. One feller was caught at 5:00 a. m. at a red light. One came up on the driver's side and one armed on the passenger's side. He shot and killed the armed one then rolled his window up on the other gangsta and drug him down to the Sherriff's office and dropped him off. He hollered at a couple of deputies what happened and said he had been shot and was on his way to the emergency room. End of story. End of gangsta crap.
An armed populace is a polite populace...
I'm not a Dimocrap or a Pube. I'm an AMERICAN! I want my country back.
Those gangbangers are really looking forward to strict gun ownership so they can shoot more unarmed people. California needs to wake up and quit smelling the roses or whatever it is they're smelling there and get serious with bad people.....
Surround Oakland. Let the women and children out. Let them gangbangers eliminate each other down to the last one. If they try to get out, drive them back into that cesspool.
It oughta take about 3 weeks for the buzzards to clean up the mess.
Why let the women and children out? They're all scum. But the bottom line is, all of this violence is probably the white man's fault. Everything else is, so just add this to the list. The best thing is (and I've been saying this for 30 years), give the blacks and latinos 5 or 6 states, with their own government, laws, money, etc. Within 3 years those 5 or 6 states will be totally destroyed and most of their people killed.
Yeah, the women harbor the bangers, and the kids...they are just future gang bangers.
Why give them states? They have already taken over cities and towns. I can't think of a single one that has become affluent, or even stayed admirable. I'd really like to know the name of one.
Even the buzzards won't go there, so I guess it will be the rats.