I need to call my governor. My state needs or could use 1,000 more jobs. Maybe he could convince Remington to move here.

Agreed, Remington will close the Illyon, NY gun plant....

They are actually looking into re locating to Arkansas, that is where their current ammo factory is located.

Then maybe New York will PASS Chicago in murders!!!

After all Chicago leads the nation in gun crimes!

thats ok let those dumbass new yorkers pass there gun laws and watch the criminal under belly rob them all and watch there state turn into a cess pool and watch while they go broke hiring more police, while losing there grip on the city !

Ammunition magazines would be restricted to seven bullets, from the current 10, and current owners of higher-capacity magazines would have a year to sell them out of state. An owner caught at home with eight or more bullets in a magazine could face a misdemeanor charge.

And so it begins.

You liberals will pave your own road to serfdom, with borrowed money and pages from the constitution of course.

Where there is a will, there is a way. If someone wants to get a weapon, they will get a weapon. Taking the right away from sane and law abiding citizens is not a solution. I am glad I live in Utah; where criminals know citizens can arm themselves.

So passing legislation to make law abiding citizens into criminals is going to deter those who were on the opposite side of the law to begin with? What morons.

In my opinion this new law seems reasonable. Congratulations to the State of New York.

I'm so glad i live in Maine, and you can bet i will not be voting for Gov. Andrew Cuomo in 2016 if he think like that, guess you New Yorkers like this, been told what you can do when you can do it, does your local goverment tell you people when to @!$%# and take a piss too. just might as well since they are telling you how to run your life, like i say am glad i live in Maine

They said they were thinking about takeing all the guns from the people. It just won't happen.

"It is well-balanced, it protects the Second Amendment," said Senate Republican leader Dean Skelos of Long Island. "And there is no confiscation of weapons, which was at one time being considered.

Baby steps. First they're considering it, then they're voting on it, then it eventually passes. What a sad place the Northeast has become. To think that this is where our freedoms were won and now we see it as the birthplace of where our freedoms will be lost. I was visiting Illinois over the holidays. Still have some family there. Chicago, the city that bears the nickname "Second City", has made great strides to mirror it's fawned upon big brother. What a $hitty state Illinois has become. It's bankrupt and Chicago had over 500 murders in 2012. Now you have New York passing more restrictive gun laws. Looks like New York is trying to emulate the failed little brother. Pretty soon you won't be able to tell the difference.

I just can't believe Americans, living in New York or wherever, would sit back and let the government deny them their human right to self defense.

Pathetic!

Russ. The tobacco issue is fixed. It is now a source of MONEY for the government, and there is no way they are going to do away with that!

And hs321, there is nothing the citizens can do about it. They will vote for gun control no matter what the people want.

Robert in Oregon, you are just the mindset the government and the anti-gun crowd is counting on. This "sounds reasonable", so let's give up a few rights here. Then they come up with something else that "sounds reasonable" and take that right away. Slowly but surely the mighty oak is whittled down to nothing.

Are you aware of this:

Egyptian Press Confirms Washington Infiltrated By Islamists

http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials-perspective/010913-640022-infiltration-by-muslim-brotherhood-worse-than-thought.htm#ixzz2Hxad148L

They don't use guns. They use homicide bombers.

Self defense is a basic HUMAN RIGHT!!! It must suck to be a New Yorker, where Law Abiding Citizens will be disarmed by law to protect the criminals. My Guns, My Rights, My Freedom!!!

195,00 recorded deaths by malpractice in 2011

12,000 nationwide deaths at the hands of drunk drivers

650 stabbed to death in 2011

496 bludgeoned to death by hammer in 2011

323 by "assault rifle" in 2011

Uber Nazi Cuomo will have his totalitarian way (he thinks) but ensuing law suits will reign him in along with his 'head-nodding' state lawmakers. Just another reason to get the hell out of New York State. More gun laws aren't the answer Mr. Politician. Just look at Chicago. It's a God Damn JOKE.

Actually, Illinois is at the lower end of the spectrum in number of deaths by firearm per 100,00 population. Florida, with their "stand your ground" law, has more deaths by firearms than Illinois.

For example, see http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/01/the-geography-of-gun-deaths/69354/

It is hard to believe. All of these people who want to preserve their “right” to fire off thirty rounds a minute in an effort to kill as many people as they possibly can. Think about it……That is why the common people that make the government that you are afraid of, are afraid of you and want to protect themselves from YOU!

If you don’t want them passing anti gun laws, quit telling them how easy it would be to kill them with those guns.

old cucomo is grandstanding. All the changes are worthless like 10 shells down to 7 what good is it? Don't get me wrong i'm all for the 2nd amendment and freedom to own what ever you feel will keep you safe. This is all about cucomo trying to get more votes. and yes I know its cuomo for you spell check people like Basil

So you keep guns away from law abiding citizens while the criminals go to New Jersey, buy the gun and come use it in NY...real smart NY!

Its interesting - if you look at gun murders per 100K by state there is no correllation between number of deaths and gun control laws. What you will see however is that states with large urban cities (ie gang problems) have much higher rates.

@Marie - Idiocy of the gun-rights culture? Gun-rights have existed since the birth of this nation. If it's such a profound idea to you, then relocate. Furthermore, you call humans stupid, on the basis that you have a difference of opinion? Selfish much?

Also, I don't know where you live, but if you're living in an area where gangs are running around with "Automatic" rifles - then it's probably it's own self-diagnosed Third World area of the country and you should likely relocate. Obviously LEO's have not been doing their job (are you living in Detroit??). Personally I think you're exaggerating a bit much, and my point is proven with how you summed up your need to "stock up" on arms.

Everybody is obsessed with Assault Rifles, which shows how much vapor is being breathed by the idiots of the right and left.

Assault rifles should be banned, by their definition. However, put the thinking cap on and pay attention to this:

In another provision, a therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat to use a gun illegally would be required to report the incident to a mental health director who would have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.

That HARDLY goes far enough! If you have been diagnosed by a mental health professional as potentially violent to yourself or another, you should immediately have all weapons you own and someone else owns removed by law enforcement. You should then be diagnosed by two other mental health professionals and if they agree, you should be banned from owning ANY gun for the rest of your life! Even if you get better. And anyone living with you cannot own a gun while they do.

You heard it, EVERYBODY gets to lose a little of their rights or they are just being nonsense political bulls**ters. It is the guns. It is also lack of enforcement and mental health issues. Everybody gets to suffer to make it better.

I've voted Democrat the past 3 elections. If Cuomo is their candidate, forget it.

This is nothing but feel good nonsense. I seriously question the change in magazine size. You would have a hard time finding a magazine that only holds 7 rounds for a lot of weapons. In addition, this accomplishes nothing. A proficient shooter can change out magazines in about two seconds, so this really does very little to reduce the number of bullets a shooter can fire in a given period of time. All it means is that they will have to change magazines a little more often. This law will do nothing more than turn a lot of legal gun owners into criminals. I highly doubt that gun owners are all going to spend the money to replace their magazines, many will simply continue to use the ones they have and maybe only load 7 rounds into them when they take them out in public. The ease and speed with which an accomplished shooter can change magazines makes all this talk about magazine sizes a little ridiculous.

Those who think guns are the problem probably shouldn't have them anyway. You will now be reported by your therapist. How does that feel?

Guns are not the problem. The economy is the problem. Look at history when the economy goes in the toilet. Crime always increases. Until the government quits is thoughtless and reckless spending and treats the taxpayer money as if it were their own budget, for their own home and families, it will never end.

They have NO respect for other people's money. Or other people for that matter. To those who think this economy is recovering, I say you are right where this administration wants you to be, fooled and stupid for not noticing.

This blows my mind, perhaps more so than anything else I've heard for quite some time. If the PEOPLE of New York were to vote on this, I don't think it would have a snowballs chance in hell of passing. If it did then the memories of the folks in New York must scary short. How many foreigners have moved to N.Y. from a country where the govt. fu(ked them over for centuries because they had the power, the army, the guns, and the people were helpless! If people think that America is beyond or above some kind of revolution, they're painfully mistaken. The 2nd amendment doesn't protect hunting rifles and such, it protect the arms (guns) to protect the people from an oppressive Govt.

People, PLEASE, killing another person has ALWAYS been against the law. These guns are NOT the problem. The FBI released a report showing the method used in all murders for a period of time before and after the first "assault" weapons ban, ready for this, more people were killed with "hands and feet" than assault weapons. Fact! More people were killed with CLUBS than with assault weapons. There aren't even any lines to read between in that information folks!

Lastly, speaking to the credibility of Mr. Cuomo, to his knowledge of what is real and what life is really like outside if his politician bubble, he says " he wanted quick action to avoid a run on assault rifles and ammunition". The rush is already on, wait a minute, IT'S ALREADY OVER!!!!!!! All the guns and ammo have been sold, weeks and months ago. If he's that out of touch with reality, why would anyone trust his judgement? As always, just my opinion, and I'm a fairly left leaning educated Democrat.

That HARDLY goes far enough! If you have been diagnosed by a mental health professional as potentially violent to yourself or another, you should immediately have all weapons you own and someone else owns removed by law enforcement. You should then be diagnosed by two other mental health professionals and if they agree, you should be banned from owning ANY gun for the rest of your life! Even if you get better. And anyone living with you cannot own a gun while they do.

You heard it, EVERYBODY gets to lose a little of their rights or they are just being nonsense political bulls**ters. It is the guns. It is also lack of enforcement and mental health issues. Everybody gets to suffer to make it better.

On paper what you say is easy; in practice it's as fine a line to draw as defining "assault weapons". A) it assumes that anyone who talks about these things, proceeds to go out and do them. Is that right to assume? Kind of like assuming that a gun's only purpose is to kill.

Also, if there is a threat of stigma associated with going to see a health care professional... would people who seriously need to go see a health care professional elect not to?

It is a very tough call.

More important to me than how they put people on such a list.... what is the mechanism to get off such a list?

This is overreach by the govt and dangerous. The mental health issue - how many people will now NOT seek help because their private/personal information is now going to be reported to the govt? Rather than improve treatment options for those that are in need, people will reject it out of hand for fear of being forever labeled as mentally ill. Regarding the magazine issue - making a gun someone legally purchased illegal and forcing them to sell in order to not be labeled a criminal? Very few semi-automatic handguns are sold with magazine that contain this few rounds. What they are attempting to do is force everyone back to revolvers.

To judge a weapon as an assault weapon simply because it looks like a military style gun is assinine. It is just a way for them to start the process of disarming the American public. Just wait until the next shooting - they will go after more. When you no longer have the ability to effectively defend against tyranny - watch the rest of your freedoms and rights slip away.

The killing of school children is a very emotional issue, but the statistics show that mass killings are only a tiny portion of the total of murders in the US every year. By far, handguns are used for murder more than any other method.

While I personally disagree with the NRA's interpretation of the second ammendment, there is no chance of rewriting it. The focus must therefore be on reducing the motivations for murder. Profitability of gangs is the easiest area to target.

So here it is. If America is a free country, people should be allowed to make their own informed decisions about what to put in their bodies. Make Drugs legal and tax them. Hundreds of billions are wasted every year in the never ending, ever expanding drug war. A tiny fraction of that money would be enough to treat the cronic drug users that get into trouble.

As was seen after prohibition was aboloshed, profitibility of gangs dropped, the murder rate dropped and membership in gangs dropped.

The drug inforcement industry has no motivation to end the drug war. From the sherriffs, to the Private prisons, their livelyhood and profit relies on the ever expanding war on drugs and the imprisonment of casual users.

I'm not even a casual user of drugs. But it is easy to see that this is a relitively painless way to reduce murder and crime in general. It also could, with the savings from enforcement, and revenue from consumption taxes, balance the budget.

Perspective:

Since 1949, 150,000 more Americans have been murdered than have died in combat in all the wars America has ever been involved in.

From January 1 1949 until now, just over 1 million Americans have been murdered.

Yes I counted at the bureau of statistics site.

Let that sink in. A Million Murdered.

Something has to change.

@Mark, good legitimate questions.

You know what? I'd rather come up with those answers and get to work on them rather than do nothing.

Answer to how do you get off the list? Like anything else, appeal. Be accepted for a review. And the review is no less hard than what got you on the list. Multiple health professionals approving you. And it should take a damn long time, because you got on the list for a reason.

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I think the Democrat's math is messed up on this one.

I predict the next President will be Republican

I predict a rightward shift in Congress, and Dems may lose the senate.

Not that I find this palatable because they're better for me on economy, environment, civil rights...

but I think the Democrats have seriously misjudged their math and mandate.

A lawyer friend told me long ago, "Whatever the law is named, always think the opposite, and you'll be closer to what it really means for you"

NY SAFE ACT of 2013............

How's all those restrictions working for you Chicago? New York City? DC?

The measure would also enshrine a system through which mental health professionals would be required to report to officials when they believe their patients may harm themselves or others. In such cases, police would be allowed to confiscate any guns owned by a potentially dangerous patient.

Um, for the record in the recent "mass shootings" the weapons used didn't belong to the people using them, so does that mean they'll add taking my gun if someone in my family is mentally ill?

NY, Now go back and make them even strong against guns! Take them all away first!

Wife! I sure hope so! The 2nd Amendment as worded is history or it should be! Out dated and 230+ years behind the times!

We'll see clwyd. The NY measures go too far IMHO and we'll see if the same backlash that happened in 1994 happens again.

I'm not keen on it because current Republicans are a screwed up bunch... I'm just worried that Democrats have gone beyond their mandate... especially if they railroad gun legislation like they're doing in NY.

Back ground checks are fine. keeping track of who owns what, I can live too but with restrictions on government abuse. The 7 round magazine, who in the hell ever heard of that? That is the size magazine used in a Colt 1911 45 cal semi auto pistol that entered service over 100 years ago. It will be difficult to find 7 shot magazines for modern firearms. This is just propaganda legislation. I guess New York and California will be in a bidding war on who has the dumbest gun control legislation.

Gun owners will still have their rights. They sacrifice only a little convenience in the interest of public safety. Seems fair to me.

What type of gun was used in the Sandy Hook shootings?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_NllT1iDo

Assault weapons are best left in the hands of the military. I don't think this law goes far enough. Assault weapons should be banned completely. Guns are not born illegal, only when they are stolen or sold without records from/by legal gun owners they become illegal and while the neighboring states allow the sale of assault weapons this law will not do much to curb the wanton murder of innocents.

And so it begins.

You liberals will pave your own road to serfdom, with borrowed money and pages from the constitution of course.

You are complete nuts if you think that guns in any way protect your freedom. You need to move out of the 18th century and start thinking for yourself.

What's ironic is that there HAVE been encroachments on our freedom - right after 9/11 we got a bunch of laws that started limiting our freedoms. And yet all of these people who are now yelling about freedom had very little to say about these very real assaults on liberty. When we spoke out against them, it was people like you who told us "if you have done nothing wrong, then you have nothing to fear." We were told we were "friends of terrorist" because we wanted our freedom.

Even so, we managed to reverse course, but not because of any help from you. It was by electing Obama and kicking out the Republicans who passed these restrictive laws.

You need to get it through your heads that guns have nothing to do with liberty or freedom. In today's day and age, your little guns are nothing. There exist weapons that can vaporize you, your gun, your family, your friends, your house, your neighborhood and everything within 10 miles of you.

You have to love how they ignore the biggest problem regarding gun violence. They make it look like something is being done, but do nothing. Funy how you never hear anything being done about the gang problem in this country.That issue is avoided like the plague. Wonder why that is. Are they afraid the gangs would retaliate? More crime,gun violence and murder are due to gangs than all of the nut jobs combined. They recruit kids to join and begin a life of crime. Nothing said about that. These are the people that decided to live a life of crime and nothing is being done to solve the problem. Gangs are nothing more than a terroreist orginazation. They should be locked up and not let out. The gun violence would be greatly reduced by going after the source most of it comes from. To say otherwise is to ignore the problem.

Perfect - Sorry people they will just keep taking rights away one by one and "justifying" it like this. Anyone here HONESTLY think a magazine size of 7 from 10 REALLY makes a difference? They are just chopping the tree down a little at a time every change they get. Bet they can't wait for another incident somewhere to make it illegal to own any handgun over xxx caliber. Then it will be any semi-auto clip fed handguns will be outlawed so the only thing you can own will be some custom made .22 5 shot revolver.

It doesn't matter WHAT gun was used in the Sandy Hook shootings. What MATTERS is someone who was MENTALLY unstable committed a horrific crime. Will people ever take the time to look at the real statistics and not live in this fear mongering setups? If he would have done something else horrible like bombing the what would we be talking about right now? Be careful what you wish for all. Hitler convinced everyone taking the guns was a good thing too just remember that.

It takes an average of 21.34 seconds to reload a magazine.. Load size has nothing to do with it and then again, that really varies as well. IF you know, that you have 7 rounds each, you can easily tape the magazines so that it takes you a total of 16 seconds to eject the first to quick swap the other.

All in all, a gun is a gun, It takes me less then 20 seconds to swap an Airsoft M4 Magazine with the other that I have tapped next to it then it does to take me to go from a single magazine to another. With the intent to kill, it doesn't matter if the shooter has a 16cap mag or a 7cap mag. Doesn't matter if the shooters using a .357 round or a 9mm round. To an unarmored, disarmed person, a bullet is just a bullet in the lemans terms to kill them.

Politicians are just disarming the general public further from the next psycho instead of actually taking the correct measure and enforcing more background checks.

This gun control abomination is all about disarming the people at large and in no way will affect the criminal or deranged individual even a little bit.

Cuomo says this preserves the 2nd amendment but it does so only in the minds of socialists and other ideologues that harbor aspirations of controlling the masses and It seems the socialists are falling over themselves in attempts to outdo each other with ever more restrictive gun ban measures, no matter how unconstitutional.

Legal challenges to this nonsense will be forthcoming and will, after many years, end up being decided by the SCOTUS.

Any legislation that makes criminals out of millions of law abiding people with the simple stroke of a pen is an unconscionable abuse of power and should not be tolerated.

dan

Sorry people they will just keep taking rights away one by one and "justifying" it like this. Anyone here HONESTLY think a magazine size of 7 from 10 REALLY makes a difference? They are just chopping the tree down a little at a time every change they get

Sorry, dan. The 2nd Amendment does not say ANY gun ANY time ANY place. Your reference to Hitler is over the top and reveals your very limited knowledge of history and a willingness to quote the same tired old arguments that the NRA folks have used to brainwash you. The United States has a different government and a different Constitution than Hitler's Germany.

Our freedom comes from the democratic process our Constitution defines, complete with checks and balances that were not present in the German Constitution of the 1920s and 30s. The Second Amendment does not guarantee that you can have ANY firearm that you want and, in fact, almost no one believes that citizens should be allowed to own machine guns, surface to air artillery or a number of other types of weapons. Most of the country now believes that assault weapons also do not belong in the hands of the general population .... and for good reason. Those assault weapons are very much like those banned machine guns in their ability to shoot a very large number of very damaging bullets in a very short amount of time.

Limits that define the responsibilities of gun ownership and the types of legal firearms are up to the people to decide through their elected representatives. That is not tyranny, even though the NRA says it is; that is democracy.

Look, something had to be done. The 7 round magazine is stupid however.

don97524 makes great points, and the problem really is the idea that the NRA spreads that we are entitled to have anything we want. Hey, I want an RPG and a Browning 50 cal but I can't own those?!?!

Tyranny! And all you fools who think spending money on military-style arms will protect you from the government? Really? That fact that you sit and type and play online shows you really don't know where the true threats from our government actually come from.... you kids go play with your AR-15 and I will keep my shotguns and bolt action rifles.

For 22 years Wayne LaPierre, ever a devoted lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, has taken views so extreme that President George H.W. Bush resigned his NRA membership after the NRA head called the feds 'jackbooted government thugs.'

Warlord Wayne pockets a cool million dollars a year plus benefits from all those NRA card-carrying members. No wonder he blames all gun homicides on video games and mental health. LOL

Every gun sale lines his pockets with gold.

Do you know if he's ever served? I have a feeling he's one of those cowards who never had the nads to enlist!!!

All these gun freaks need to get a f-ing grip. NOT ONE PROPOSAL WILL TAKE ANYONE'S GUNS AWAY.

It doesnt matter, the American people have them out-voted on common sense approaches. Now we will see who the congressmen and women work for....the NRA or for the American people...

84% Approve of increased background checks/ending loopholes

52% Approve of Asaault Wepon Ban

72% Approve of increased Mental Helth detection and monitoring

64% Approve of banning High Capacity magazines

62% Approve of Armed Guards on School groinds

SOUNDS LIKE AMERICA BACKS BIDEN and the NRA BAck only their selfish, black-helicopter paranoia. As if their .357 trumps a cruis missle (chuckle)

Gun Owners are RESPONSIBLE, Gun FEAKS, are just survialist morons praying for a civil war so they cvan feelk better about ther failed liovges and tiny dicks

64% Approve of

It's interesting that the gun advocates always refer to the government as "they." They are upset about a set of rules arrived at through democratic process. Why don't the gun rights people understand the "we" concept of democracy?

Anyone who wishes to ban large soda's has a mental issue and would not pass a psychological exam.

2lane: Who did you ask? The American people have said they don't want war, they don't want drugs, they don't want terrorists. Well guess what? We have all of those and more, and the only defence is to arm yourself. The conclusions you come to are so ludicrous I have to say most people who own weapons and armaments do not want to kill others nor be killed. It is a paranoid populace just like after 911 that allows the government to strip away rights and continue to do so. One day they will tell you to stfu.

P.S. Demockracy like the majority vote in California overturned? Yeah, Federal judges have decided we will have what they want. Doesn't stop at that there are many examples, just look at financial sector.

@ youwish,

As a matter of fact, I recently discovered that Warlord Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association, did not serve in the military (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder).

Seems he would have liked to get in on all that action in 'Nam.

Does a nervous disorder count as mental illness? Does that mean Warlord Wayne cannot legally buy a weapon?

don- ....maybe because they weren't allowed to vote on the ruling....

Why don't the democrats ban gangs and gang members. Most of the murders are committed by them. Or is it they don't want to lessen their voting bloc?

nycguy

We have a representative democracy. We don't all vote on every issue, but instead elective representatives to do so. If you want to petition for a voter initiative, be my guest.

I don't understand the screen name sittingonafence. You are on no fence. Yours was a petty remark from a right winger ..... not a statement from any fence sitter.

What about equality? Shouldn't every person in America take a test to prove their sane once a year, you never know they could have a weapon in their hand at any moment.

If mental facilities worked and they could tell the unhinged from the hinged then that would be a valid argument. However, it has been proven time and time again psychological impaired individuals are misdiagnosed frequently. These are persons who have committed heinous acts and been released to do it again. Drug induced mayhem will continue and there is no remedy for that being talked about. P.S. Didn't all of these persons have some type of usage of drugs? Yes,Yes they did.

Half of NYPD has 'mental illnesses', if going to be in the new law..better take their guns too.

"In my opinion this new law seems reasonable. Congratulations to the State of New York."

[ The above comment (#1.8) was "collapsed by the community." ]

I see now why some of you folks in "the community" are so fearful of not being able to possess your personal arsenals, ... you are actually afraid of everything! You are even afraid of mere words and the opinions of others. That's pretty pathetic, don't you think? (Well, maybe healthy introspection is too much for us to ask of you).

Are you folks proud of yourselves? You describe yourselves as "real Americans", as "patriotic Americans"... but your hypocrisy is glaring. Your perceived "Second Amendment right" is so paramount and central to your lives that you casually stomp on the First Amendment right of others, in an attempt to 'silence' them. Yes, pathetic, indeed.

new york is full of liberal Dysfunctional j---e---rk--of----fs.they elected bloomberg who rather put up trees and parks than aid hurricane victims. they elect cuomo who NOW is using gun control to propel himself to the whitehouse. great job ny

Wow, a lot of reading comprehension gone by the wayside here.

This guy obvs hasn't even read the bill:

"We haven't saved any lives tonight, except one: the political life of a governor who wants to be president," Republican Sen. Greg Ball, who represents part of the Hudson Valley, said Monday, according to the AP. "We have taken an entire category of firearms that are currently legal that are in the homes of law-abiding, tax paying citizens. ... We are now turning those law-abiding citizens into criminals."

Criminals are, by definition, ppl who deliberately break the law. Laws don't turn ppl into criminals. Their purpose is to apply a penalty for the commission of a crime.

Misdemeanors, in this case.

Don't want to be a criminal? Then abide by the law. More ppl do than not. It's not that hard.

The NY laws will require:

• Gun registration - really, this is going to create criminals, how, exactly? Not that onerous to fill out some paperwork & make sure it gets to the county clerk's office. Real reason for indignation: a fee.
• Background checks - if you're not already a criminal, what do you have to cry about here? You'll pass. Chill. Real reason for indignation: a fee.
• Secure gun storage - I'm shocked this A) isn't already the law & B) that alleged *responsible* gun owners need to be legislated for this. If you can afford guns, you can afford a safe place in which to store them. Your inquisitive children & grandchildren may well now live to be old enough to thank the NYS Legislature for this one. Real reason for indignation: gun safes are expensive.
• Reporting stolen guns - 24 hrs isn't enough time for you to notice your guns went missing? Seriously? Real reason for indignation: laziness, apathy, irresponsibility.
• A yr to get rid of larger clips - Again, not enough time? C'mon. It's a very reasonable window. What disturbs me is the language that says they can be sold *out of state*. It's not solving anything, really, if you can hand them over to your BIL in PA. It's just made it PAs problem, not NYs. Real reason for indignation: Rambo wet dreams; *well-regulated* is certainly a part of the language of the 2nd Amendment.
• No online guns purchasing at all - previously this was limited to *weapons* like sword canes & other reproduction blades that were technically usuable b/c they were sharp. If I can't go buy a sword cane or a Wallace claymore in my jammies when all I want to do w/ them is harmlessly show them off for the collector's items that they are, then you can't go buy a Glock or a Sig Sauer in your jammies. Seems fair enough. Real reason for indignation: laziness; can't get around current laws (which BTW does make you a criminal).
• No guns w/ 1 *assault-style* feature - I'm good w/ ppl no longer buying kits to modify rifles into more efficient killing machines. Can't hit a deer w/ what you own, you need to go to the range. There's no reason to create something that would make Rambo drool. Real reason for indignation: More Rambo wet dreams dashed.
• No crazy ppl need apply - Eminently reasonable. Mentally unstable should = no right to firearms. Real reason for indignation: You are crazy. Or you think you might be. Or your family thinks you might be.

In none of this legislation do I see *taking guns away* or *rights' infringement* or *restriction of freedom* or *violating the spirit of the 2nd Amendment* or any of the arguments generally used whenever tightening up gun laws is the topic.

The 2nd Amendment does say *well-regulated*. What do you think laws do if not regulate stuff?

Nobody needs to be walking around w/ the voices in their head telling them what to do w/ an unregistered arsenal capable of taking out a classrm of kindergarteners. If that's not applicable to you, then you have no reason to complain.

Props to the NYS Legislature for moving so quickly on this, rather than posturing & looking to the NRA for *guidance* as Congress is doing. (That, & rdg the Constitution aloud again....are you kidding me? Try rdg it for comprehension this time!)

aw @!$%#. I can't keep my Howitzer no mo?

Guarantee that the homicide rate in New York and NYC will be unchanged as a result of this legislation.

If you really wanted to make a change go after the laws that protect the mentally ill and ban drugs that cause mania. You can't because civil rights people will fight changes to dealing with those with mental health issues though they don't give a damn about legal gun owners.

How many mentally defective individuals will stop going to therapy due to this law? I would guess MANY. I know if I saw a therapist, and a law like this was passed, I would stop seeking mental health immediately. Great Job New York - I believe you have just pass an incredibly counter-productive bill.

Moreover, I look forward to seeing next years rape, murder , theft , home invasion statistics... Hopefully most of the victims are libtards who voted these dictators in.

FreedomOverSympathy wrote:

"Moreover, I look forward to seeing next years rape, murder , theft , home invasion statistics... Hopefully most of the victims are libtards who voted these dictators in."

Keep it up. "Death wishing" ( as your post is described by Newsvine ) will get you banned; and it should.

Hey, Don 97524, did you read the article? You say "a set of rules arrive through democratic process"? But did you miss the part of the article that talks about the "closed door meetings'? Are you that ignorant that you cannot respond to the article without making up your own set of "facts"? Typical Lib stuff....if you have no facts to back up your conclusions....just make something up and repeat it over and over and over again.

I wonder if this will affect the number of people willing to seek professional mental help...

Robert in Oregon - LOL

"save lives"

hahahahahahaha...what a bonehead

This is ridiculous with all these laws ..

Ok it is a sever tragedy that kids were killed , im sure we are all in shock and pain. WIth that being said, the 26 that died that day, or the ones that were killed in the theater at the Batman movie, columbine, VA tech, all of these dont compare to the same kind of deaths as a result of drunken driving, or other similar scenarios. You can put all these laws in place, but it will not stop killings. Should they make laws that test people with mental illnesses who own cars , or for alcoholics who own cars ?

We really need to be careful here of letting our government getting to big and out of control by being over controlling to its US citizens. Remember the government is here to serve us, to protect its borders from the outside. Not keep us caged up and take our freedoms away.

There are so many guns, and rifles out there now, because citizens knew there are going to be Gun Laws--Gun Shops, manufacturers are sold out---no ammunition either----

What is the Government going to do. Confiscate guns by searching homes, and businesses

I like the idea of Gun Control Law---but it is not entirely possible. The Black Market probably stocked up on them. Who's going to protect those who need self-defense, such as in luxury item businesses, people who are robbed in their own homes, etc. We are defenseless against the potential gun who is in the hands of a mentally ill person.

Bats, knives, and homemade bombs with the recipe for them on the Internet. That is how the Terrorists work, and kill.

We are stuck. The massacres have to stop---how about immediate punishment for the killers--not letting them have their entire life spent debating whether they should get the Death Penalty. More severe consequences for the killer or killers by the Police and Court System?

this is yet another reason why i would never want to live in new york, pity, upstate is very beautiful

don97524

dan

Sorry people they will just keep taking rights away one by one and "justifying" it like this. Anyone here HONESTLY think a magazine size of 7 from 10 REALLY makes a difference? They are just chopping the tree down a little at a time every change they get

Sorry, dan. The 2nd Amendment does not say ANY gun ANY time ANY place. Your reference to Hitler is over the top and reveals your very limited knowledge of history and a willingness to quote the same tired old arguments that the NRA folks have used to brainwash you. The United States has a different government and a different Constitution than Hitler's Germany.

Our freedom comes from the democratic process our Constitution defines, complete with checks and balances that were not present in the German Constitution of the 1920s and 30s. The Second Amendment does not guarantee that you can have ANY firearm that you want and, in fact, almost no one believes that citizens should be allowed to own machine guns, surface to air artillery or a number of other types of weapons. Most of the country now believes that assault weapons also do not belong in the hands of the general population .... and for good reason. Those assault weapons are very much like those banned machine guns in their ability to shoot a very large number of very damaging bullets in a very short amount of time.

Limits that define the responsibilities of gun ownership and the types of legal firearms are up to the people to decide through their elected representatives. That is not tyranny, even though the NRA says it is; that is democracy.

Uh, Don? You shouldn't lecture others on history when you're clearly demonstrating your own ignorance of it. First of all, the US is not a "democracy", as you claim several times in your ill-informed post. We're a CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLIC, which is very different. A group of state senators voting for legislation that isn't supported by the majority of the people (ALL the people, not just the ones who agree with them) isn't democracy, either, as you seem to think. I suggest you use Google. Also, you're completely misinformed when it comes to what type of government ruled Germany at the time the Third Reich came to power. Again, I suggest using Google to clear up your misunderstanding. Thirdly, you obviously have no understanding of what an "assault weapon" is. The firearms you're referring to use the same mechanisms as semi-automatic hunting rifles. Do you even know what a semi-automatic is? It means that one trigger pull equals one bullet fired and the gun's mechanism self-loads another bullet from the magazine and you have to pull the trigger again to fire another bullet. Making the rifle black and "military-looking" doesn't change it's mechanics, although people like you seem to think it does. True "assault weapons" are only owned by the military and a few collectors (in most states, you can own one that was already previously owned by a civilian with a Class III license and an ATF background check. There are VERY few of these out there.). These weapons shoot more than one bullet per trigger pull (and please, don't start with the "fully automatic" nonsense. Even most military issue weapons these days shoot at MOST 3 bullets per trigger pull. Again, use Google and you can find out why!). Furthermore, the ammunition fired by a gun like an AR-15 (one of those "scary-looking" guns that you seem to think is anything like a "machine gun") isn't any "deadlier" than ammunition fired from a .45 revolver (that's a six-shooter, if you didn't know). While you're busy accusing someone else of their "willingness to quote the same old tired arguments from the NRA", you're parroting just about every misleading statements (read: lies) that people like Cuomo are making. Honestly, your comment is one of the most hypocritical I've read on this issue recently.

(More suggested reading for you: The Federalist Papers. You obviously also believe the nonsense that the pro-gun-control lobby says about the intentions behind the 2nd Amendment. I won't tell you what they really are--you should read them for yourself so you can't accuse me of lying and "having a limited knowledge of history". Please, do yourself a favor and take the responsibility to educate yourself instead of believing everything you hear come out of a politician's mouth.)

P.S. Don -- there were 323 murders with an "assault weapon" in the entire country in 2011. Out of about 11,000 firearm-caused homicides, that's a rate of 2.9%, yet the media and the Democrats sure have made everyone believe that MOST homicides are carried out with "assault rifles" (again: what you all call "assault weapons" are semi-automatic rifles). My figures are correct, by the way. You can check them for yourself on the FBI's website (see Uniform Crime Reports). Our murder rate has NOTHING to do with how many bullets are in a criminal's weapon and what color the weapon is, although people with common sense realize that already.

(And just FYI, before you respond with a politic-attacking reply: just because I referenced Democrats doesn't mean I'm a Republican. I just happen to believe in the Constitution--you know, the *actual* Constitution, not some posters' interpretations of it.)

To the moron known as mmr - Wow, you know what a semi-automatic is, but you know nothing about the founding of the country and the emergencies and political considerations that went into the constitution.

But okay, you're too ignorant to argue with, so I'll agree with you about "assault" weapons. The solution to that tiny bit of the argument is obvious.

Outlaw all (automatic and) semi-automatic weapons.

You already have them? Okay, keep them at home. You get caught on the street with one of them assembled, you get a felony conviction, 2-4 first offense. And same for the manufacture, sale, and import.

Oh, yeah, the Federalist papers while interesting are a collection of opinions and arguments for this and that. The that prove nothing.

And, um, Germany in the '30s is irrelevant, except for the parallels between the SA and the idiotic gun fetishists who make so much noise on the internet. And since you typed so much, I nominate you to receive a free J.T. Ready bobble head doll for your dashboard.

Hey! The gun grabbers are correct on one thing! Reading comprehension is HIGHLY Lacking... On their part. They pull false definitions out of their collective asses and then cherry-pick statistics to paint the picture THEY want to see. And even the Brady Campaign's website cannot hide the fact that EVERYWHERE there ARE tougher gun laws, there too is where the HIGHEST crime rates are. But they still claim that everyone wants to see more gun control...

Gun Control Logic: A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

"The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed, as a well regulated militia is necessary to the security of a free state."

Oh wait! You're used to reading it in legal phrases and not in sentence form. Either way, it means the same thing.

"Well Regulated" is defined as: well equipped, well ordered and well trained...

"Militia" is defined as: A body of CITIZENS ARMED and trained, esp. by a state*, for military service APART FROM the regular armed forces. -- reserve militia. ALL persons who are not exempt from military service and not actively serving in the armed forces OR national guard. -- Black's Law Dictionary 8th Edition

*"Esp. by a state" is separated because the law does NOT REQUIRE it to be managed BY the state. HOWEVER, private militias MUST follow and abide by Constitutional Law.

Gun Control Logic: The 2nd Amendment, ratified in 1791, refers to the National Guard, which was created by an act of Congress in 1903.

ALL laws restricting firearms ARE unconstitutional and therefore unlawful, and thereby unenforceable... {Unconstitutional Official Acts -- 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256}

"By calling attention to ‘a well regulated militia,’ ‘the security of the nation,’ and The RIGHT OF EACH CITIZEN ‘to keep and bear arms,’ our founding fathers recognized the essentially civilian nature of our economy... The Second Amendment STILL remains an important declaration of our basic civilian-military relationships in which EVERY CITIZEN MUST BE READY TO PARTICIPATE IN THE DEFENSE OF HIS COUNTRY. For that reason I believe the Second Amendment will ALWAYS be important." -- John F. Kennedy

"The beauty of the second amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it." -- Thomas Jefferson

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... THE RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS TO BEAR ARMS IS JUST ONE GUARANTEE AGAINST ARBITRARY GOVERNMENT, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America BUT WHICH HISTORICALLY HAS PROVEN TO BE ALWAYS POSSIBLE." -- Hubert H. Humphrey Liberal Democratic Senator, 22 October 1959

JimD--bravo on the calling names! You're awesome!! EYE ROLL

I'm VERY well versed in the founding of this country and the "political considerations" that went into writing the Constitution, thanks. However, if you believe that The Federalist Papers have nothing to do with the final draft of the Bill of Rights, than you're woefully mistaken and you're simply proving your ignorance. The Papers are the Founding Fathers' discussions of what to put in the BoR and why! It directly relates to the final result (the BoR and the Constitution) and the reasons and intentions behind each Amendment (including the 2nd Amendment. Perhaps you should specifically read the essays by Washington and Jefferson, among others). Ignorance is bliss, I guess, when you're sitting behind a keyboard calling people names.

I brought up Germany in the 30s because Don (who I was responding to) made completely incorrect statements about it in response to another poster. Get a clue, bud (and learn how to disagree with someone intelligently and without infantile tactics).

The National Rifle Association was "outraged" Tuesday calling New York's gun control bill "draconian," . . . "lawmakers . . . opted for trampling the rights of law-abiding gun owners in New York, and they did it under a veil of secrecy in the dark of night."

Sour grapes, NRA. Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. I and all the families of the innocent victims of gun deaths applaud Governor Cuomo for having the guts to stand up to the NRA. American citizens are sick to death of being held hostage by this tyrannical group. May the rest of the nation follow suit with similar legislation.

Even criminals don't use assault weapons for this kind of mass violence. It is simple, most Americans are totally fine with gun owners owning all types of guns. But we want gun owners to be responsible for the use of their weapons. As for those gun owners who feel they need to protect themselves from our government - that in itself tells me they are mentally disabled and should not be allowed to own a gun.
Blah, blah, blah, Nazi's, blah, blah, blah, socialists. This is nothing but fear talking. You have no business owning a gun! And you are the last person who should be walking around a school protecting my children.

To protect my children, you should be a trained peace officer, who knows when to shoot or not. You should not be a teacher who took a 2 week training course in how to fire a gun. Putting guns in teacher's hands, or volunteers hands is only going to lead to more kids shot, trying to take down the guy who just killed 30. I don't want to pay for officers, and I don't want to pay for the civil suits in wrongful death for idiots who kill our kids, while "protecting" them.

"[ The above comment (#1.8) was "collapsed by the community." ]"

Why scream and blame strangers? I suspect your mother has had enough of you making a dick of yourself - ten times on one article.

Here is a quote from monticello.org, supposedly from Thomas Jefferson:

You might also want to look up the seven stages of democracy, attributed to Alexander Fraser Tytler and decide for yourself at what stage we are in currently, and how close we are to the end of our democracy,according to his writings. I can only hope that we do not need to have another fight against tyranny again in our country, but hope that we are able to fight for our freedom. Instead of hoping, like many other countries, that there will be a country that will come to our defense, and help us defend our freedoms.

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.

The average age of the world’s greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:

• From bondage to spiritual faith;
• From spiritual faith to great courage;
• From courage to liberty;
• From liberty to abundance;
• From abundance to complacency;
• From complacency to apathy;
• From apathy to dependence;
• From dependence back into bondage. Just a brief synopsis of his writings... I hope that the NY is prepared for court challenges based on their decisions to forsake the basic principles of our government. People are always saying that the Constitution was written over 200 years ago and that some of it no longer is relevant! I totally disagree, as life is uncertain and the Constitution was written to give us liberties and stop others from taking them away from us! I believe that the second amendment was written specifically to give us the right to protect ourselves from a tyrannical government! Remember the reason our country was started, and what we needed to do to get this country! I am not advocating revolution, just that we should be prepared and able to protect our rights and country! Unless you think that it will never happen or there will be another country that will come to our rescue, All you need to do is read the world news and see the turmoil our world is under, with people that are unhappy with their government!!

So Jim, outlaw all semi-automatic? So if I go target shooting with my .22 rifle, I'll have to load one bullet, shoot, load another bullet, shoot, etc., because a few mentally ill people have flipped out using high capacity magazines? Or I suppose you'd just outlaw target shooting, too.

These were terrible tragedies, but it doesn't represent the gun problem we have. Get rid of high-capacity magazines -- I'm fine with that. But going from 10 to 7 is just stupid. Except gun companies will probably make a lot of money producing new magazines.

The N.Y. law is very extreme. Perhaps it is sufficiently unconstitutional to have the supreme court knock it down. Someone could try that. If no, brace yourselves. They are taking the guns. Then they will cut social security and medicare as well as other things. They are getting ready to do mass exterminations.

JimD

ignorant post , the basement awaits you

Okay, PLEASE, if banning guns will work, then ban all of them throughout the country and then make Obama get rid of his secret service. And since banning guns will get the guns out of the hands of criminals, Obama should be safe, correct?

Freedom over Sympathy said,

How many mentally defective individuals will stop going to therapy due to this law? I would guess MANY. I know if I saw a therapist, and a law like this was passed, I would stop seeking mental health immediately. Great Job New York - I believe you have just pass an incredibly counter-productive bill.

No doubt an unforeseen consequence. People will just stop seeking mental health. Good point.

I guess New York doesn't know the 2nd amendment and that your right to have a gun shall not be infringed on. Federal law trumps state laws and they are violating the constitutional right of the people to have a firearm. No where in the constitution does it name a particular weapon that you can or cannot have, a gung is a gun. If these idiots think this will stop killing they are the ones who need a mental check. If you already have the weapons and you bought them when they were legal (which according to the 2nd amendment they will never be illegal) they can't take them from you. People need to stand up and fight for their rights. This is the gov't taking more of your rights away because we let them. The American people should be outraged and highly offended that the gov't is criminalizing every one who owns a gun because of mentally ill people (who I believe the gov't puts these people up to this to as part of its agenda). This is how it began in other countries and see how it ended for them, people murdered by the gov't because they had now way to protect themselves. If the gov't tries to take our guns a lot of people will die because there are many, many people in this country who go down fighting before the gov't takes away our only protection against the communist gov't we have today.

Hey...the politicians can't fix any real problems so what else are they gonna do?

What a bitter idiot stupid and dumb waste of time - ON PURPOSE - by politicians.

We can keep our hand guns, hunting rifles. Assault/military style rifles have no place in society.. Police can now infiltrate gangs under new gun laws.. Just don't be drunk when your packing. All is good.

This NY lawmaking event is unconstitutional by fact and definition.. The grand old document and the meaning of its words are well documented in the letters of the writers of said document.. Any law restricting or prohibiting the ownership on any level is unconstitutional.. The nonsense that because a second cousin that lives 50 miles away had a bout of depression and sought mental health care may have access to firearms when he comes over for Christmas dinner makes me unable to own firearms and subject to confiscation and becoming a felon if I would not comply is totally unconstitutional.. These so called law makers who voted for this obomanation should be held in contempt of the constitution and impeached.. Start signing the petitions now and I bet there will be a rush to do so..

This is Obama testing the water to try this on a national level.. He was already warned that any presidential edict that conflicts with the Constitution will start impeachment procedures.. The supreme court has already ruled about the Second Amendment so these so called laws will be in the trash faster than the socialists voted for them.. It almost seem like Obama and these other socialist cronies want an armed uprising supporting the Constitution so they can declare martial law and suspend it.. Impeach all that want to take away our Constitutional rights as they are not fulfilling there obligation and oath..

Good job Cuomo! This is more than I hoped for. Now to make this New York law national.

"The responsible and comprehensive gun reform bills the governor signed into law today will help keep guns away from criminals and others who are already prohibited from purchasing them," Bloomberg said.

Bwaaaahahahaaa! Hey bonehead, if they are already prohibited from purchasing them then what is the point of this?
First the high capacity sodas, now the high capacity magazines. Liberal peasant control at its best.

Start spreading the news
I am leaving today
I want to be a part of it
New York, New York

ROTFLMAO!!!!!

The Godfather, Frank Sinatra, must be rolling over in his grave as he sees his once great city turned into a gutless collection of wimps manipulated by spineless politicians.

I could care less what you cowards in New York kneel down and submit to. It’s just embarrassing to watch so many Americans give up more and more of your God given Freedoms and Liberties that so many over 237 years have sacrificed for.

This is what Liberalism/Progressivism does. It strips you of your pride, your self esteem and your independence and leaves you a quivering heap of fear. You desperately succumb to giving up more and more to get less and less.

As the Ivy League faculty-lounge elitists determine your fate, you watch and allow it. Barrack Hussein is a thoroughgoing statist. His boot-licking surrogates do his light work as he continues to pi$$ and $pit on the Constitution.

Instead of a Constitution soon we’ll have a new well heeled manifesto in its place as you pathetic Liberals/Progressives allow yourselves to be manipulated.

Tomorrow Barrack Hussein and Joe “Bite Me” Biden will unveil their 19 step plan to strip your 2^nd Amendment Rights from you either by legislation or executive fiat.

Like I said, I could care less what you zombies in New York do with your own State laws, knock yourself out. However, I do take offense to a president AND a vice-president colluding to rape our Bill of Rights one at a time. As much as you will deny this, you Libbies know at some point you will be left behind with the unwashed masses once the statists strip you of what little pride, hope and ambition you have left. The cutesy little slogans, tag-lines and speeches were designed to ensnare you into the desperate cabal that is unable to survive on its own merit.

Any attempts by the Federal government to manipulate the 2^nd Amendment must be attacked as unconstitutional. The Bill of Rights can only be changed via the amendment process. Anything less is treasonous and should be dealt with accordingly.

But of course our pathetic “Constitutional professor” president doesn’t care about his Oath or even pretending to be a real American. He hates America and will do whatever it takes to destroy the greatest Republic in history.

It’s a shame so many Liberals/Progressives are so limp-wristed and such cowards to submit like a little girl to his Despotism.

God Bless and help America, you may be our only real hope for change.

Requires any therapist who believes a mental health patient made a credible threat of harming others to report the threat to a mental health director, who would then have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her, as well.

So, based on a therapist who tells another therapist/director that you made a “credible” threat.

What is a credible threat? Who decides these parameters? The government of course, who else? They can make it anything they want.

What if your “credible” threat is taken out of context and you are put in the “database”. Is that forever? Will your Right to bear arms be “infringed” upon for the rest of your life? What if you decide to join the military after you are deemed a “credible” threat? Will you be denied joining the service?

If after you are deemed a “credible” threat and your gun is taken away and you steal a weapon and kill someone, who is responsible, you or the therapist?

What if you see a therapist and are NOT found to be a “credible” threat and you go out and massacre 20 people, who is responsible, you or the therapist?

Of course none of this matters. The unstable will still be unstable, but the lawyers have just opened up a new legal challenge that will require hundreds of more lawyers to figure it all out. At our expense of course.

Love her, or hate her, Ayn Rand said it decades ago:

“There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the
power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one
makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible
for men to live without breaking laws. Who wants a nation of law-abiding
citizens? What's there in that for anyone? But just pass the kind of laws that
can neither be observed nor enforced nor objectively interpreted and you create
a nation of law-breakers -- and then you cash in on guilt. Now that’s the
system.”

More laws never stopped criminals, it only makes the responsible citizen more fearful of anything he does until he finds it no longer useful to try and succeed.

At this point the Manifesto is complete.

#1.108 jimspence - It’s just embarrassing to watch so many Americans give up more and more of your God given Freedoms and Liberties that so many over 237 years have sacrificed for.

Right. God didn't have a damn thing to do with any of the decisions made on behalf of Americans.

Frank Sinatra must be rolling over in his grave as he sees his once great city turned into a gutless collection of wimps manipulated by spineless politicians.

Sinatra was born in Hoboken, New Jersey, not New York. It's just a song he sang. And dead people can't roll over at all; they just lie there underground in their coffins.

Go to bed. You're drunk.

Now for a law that prohibits police departments from fielding weapons banned from private citizens. If part of the reason for the Second Amendment was to prevent tyranny, this would make sense.

Maybe some of the minority democrats would get behind this, they seem to take the brunt of police violence. We had an unarmed African-American shot to death with an AR15 "assault weapon" while trying to surrender here in Portland a while back.

Please, tell me how punishing law abiding citizens for the actions of outlaws is going to solve this. And yeah, don't forget to tell the eventual friendly neighborhood home invader to only load 7 bullets into the magazine of his illegally acquired gun... they need a laugh, too.

2-lane Gypsy it's a fact you sure don't need a gun. Hell you can't even spell.

To all the thieves, rapists, and murderers outside New York-

The New York Legislature has declared it OPEN SEASON on their citizens. They invite you to relocate and ply your trade there with impunity and they will make sure that you are not opposed by disarming the sheep.

A MUST READ.....AND SO IT BEGINS:

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.

Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.

You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.

The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door

and lurches outside.

As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years

before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..

Yours was never registered.

Police arrive and inform you

that the second burglar has died.

They arrest you for First Degree Murder

and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells

you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years,"

he replies, as if that's nothing.

"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead

story in the local newspaper.

Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.

Their friends and relatives can't find

an unkind word to say about them..

Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.

But the next day's headline says it all:

"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."

The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..

As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up,

then the international media.

The surviving burglar
has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing

to sue you, and he'll probably win.

The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack

of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege

that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial.

The charges haven't been reduced,

as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

When you take the stand, your anger at

the injustice of it all works against you..

Prosecutors paint a picture of you

as a mean, vengeful man.

It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second.

In April, 2000, he was convicted

and is now serving a life term..

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland ,
Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few
months later, sealed the fate of the
few sidearms
still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors
had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs
who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
had seen most of his collection
trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended,
citizens who owned handguns
were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects,
most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police
and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken
nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?
WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel AdamsIf you think this is important,

please forward to everyone you know.

You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing, over here,
if he can get it done.

And there are stupid people
in congress and on the street
that will go right along with him.

new york already has the toughest gun laws in the nation....and partially as a result I must admit, the state has the safest large city(NYC) in the country and one of the safest in the world.....but if the law isn't carefully worded it may criminalize otherwise law abiding citizens.....but only because they already have tough gun laws....

Make sure you have your rape whistle ready to blow so the police can come to your help when low life thugs and criminals who are empowered by this stupidity start kicking the S!#t out of law abiding citizens.

People who spend their time trying to destroy the Constitution, and what this country means to those who have fought, and died, because of it, just shouldn't be here at all.

I assure you, Culheath, gun owners do not live in fear, or a bubble, but perhaps you should. Might just be a safer place for you, your bubble. The rest live in the real world, with real problems, and can see what is coming.

You have heard the saying " There is no future in being stupid"? You have just disproved it.

A little harsh, John. They're not all bad, just the totally uncompromising, ridiculously judgmental and hypocritical fundamentalists who openly proclaim that everyone in the world has to abide by their system of belief.

Thank you Justin, you said it much better.

This bill does nothing to prevent the acquisition of firearms at all, in any way. What it does DO, is force law-abiding citizens to give up their weapons. A) no more than 7 bullets in a ten round clip Criminals will surely follow that B) Force anyone that owns high capacity magazines to sell OUT OF STATE If you don't live in NY, watch out, high capacity magazines coming your way C) Force everyone to register all guns they posess Bye bye Bill of Rights and The Constitution.

In the end, all this does is set the Government up for total confiscation. "The first step to confiscation, is registration"

LMFAO! And New Yorkers wonder why people are leaving their state in droves! LOL!

Thank God. Crime is now non existent in Ney York since another gun law is passed. The reason for the shootings is caused by the gun not the asshat pulling the trigger. I wish libs would get it through their head that all the gun laws in the world only hurts the law abiding, not the murdering criminal.

Citizens of NY should totally disregard this law, since it is blatantly Un-Constitutional. If civil disobediance is OK for civil rights issues, it certainly is for other basic unalienable rights.

I have 2 things.

Do you really believe that criminals will obey to these laws? I have handguns that would be illegal under this newlaw and yet I have never shot someone, I have only ever even pointed a gun at one person in my 15+ years ofshooting. That man was trying to brake into my house with me (18 at the time, my younger brother 12 and 2cousins 6 and 5) with a crowbar. After I got the little kids locked into a bedroom and called the police. I grabbed ahandgun that would now be illegal and pointed it at the man yelling for him to leave or I will shoot and that thecops where on there way. The police found the man running a few blocks away with the crowbar and a pistol withthe serial numbers filed off. This man was already breaking 2 laws both felonies! Would a misdemeanor havestopped him? I don't think so. The police showed up about 5min after I had pointed the gun at him; plenty of timefor him to have made it into the house. You want me to give up my own protection? mental heath, stifferpunishments for dangerous crimes and helping people recover from sandy should be more important thanremoving my right to protect myself and the ones i love.

and
John what have I ever done to you as a christian. I will admit there are people who claim to be christian who are wrong in how they act. The second most important rule in christianity is to love your neighbor. I'm sorry if others who claim to be christian have hurt you in the bast but please don't lump every christian together.

Justin, lt's not just the totally uncompromising, ridiculously judgmental and hypocritical fundamentalists who openly proclaim that everyone in the world has to abide by their system of belief that are idiots. Totally uncompromising, ridiculously judgmental and hypocritical people of any stripe who openly proclaim that everyone in the world has to abide by their system of belief or lack thereof can be idiots too. It's a free world.

AS it should be, very well put ray4ausa!

The line has been drawn in the sand. New York will be the "test case," for limited gun control. All eyes are upon you New York. Is gun control good for the nation, or just a waste of time and money, to appease the national outrage over a mass killing of innocent children?

Tracy,

The NRA and the fanatic fringe of its supporters have bribed politicians and bullied anyone who spoke about gun control for decades.

They have screamed about the Second Amendment Right all the while violating others' First Amendment Right of Free Speech.

It's not right that a few cowards who want to be politically correct should tell citizens what they can or cannot have. Why don't they put it up to a vote by the people? This bill does not affect anyone but honest law abiding citizens. Criminals, politicians & law enforcement personnel are exempt from any law that's passed. Be fair, Ban the assault weapons from everyone except the military including on duty national guard.

As soon as they repeal the second ammendment the first will follow. Gun nuts? it's more like anti gun crazies!

Good job New York (not) 2012 was one of your lowest firearms death rates. Firearms violence has been going down not up. If New York wants to protect its citizens it should work on stricter traffic laws.

Those drivers must have had a gun in car that made them drive like that.

"Please explain how it's *unconstitutional*."

hahahaha....if it has to explained to you then you got screwed by your union run public school system , I would recommend a pocket copy of the Constitution but why waste my typing fingers , dinners ready

MORE murders are commited EACH YEAR with hammers and clubs than are commited with ALL types of rifles combined

hmmm...interesting

just going back to 2005 the statistics average around 450 murders by "rifle" and 650 for murder by "hammers and clubs"...you are about 33% more likely to get your head bashed in by a psyco than get shot with a psyco's rifle...ouch

better get to banning those assault hammers and assault clubs

@Scar Tissue. If they wanted to take cars, it wouldn't be too hard for them, now would it? And go buy yourself a copy on the bill of rights, better yet, just google it and in one sentence you will know exactly what is unconstitutional. "....will not be infringed upon." I have just been infringed upon.

The 2nd Amendment protects the right to have military style weapons. Its purpose was not to guarantee the right to shoot tin cans and vermin. It was specifically to resist tyrrants, foreign or domestic. Will the Armed Forces abide by these same restrictions. Will Al Qaeda or the Taliban or the Mexican drug cartels?

The Constitution has not been violated. Americans still have the right to bear arms, just not all arms in all situations. The purpose of the Union is to provide "tranquility" and "common defence."

Think I'll vacation in Arizona!

silversomething

how about you go look at the Harvard Endowment , you know , a much loved lefty "not-for-profit" , you know how leftists like you love NFP's and think that they are the kindest, bestest, coolest

in 2004 alone the their top 5 hegde fund managers took home an average of 16 MILLION a peice...their not-for-profit made 21% on it's HEDGE FUND investments last year alone , interesting

your pablum and drivle is pretty tired and played out , but then I think you know that

New Yorkers are loosing their freedom leaving the control of their lives in the hands of the Government. With people like Bloomberg ,the paria who use the Republican Party in order to be elected ,and Cuomo another corrupt Democrat State General Attorney, who spend their time protecting his felons Democrats, and using his power to attack his adversaries. Those two nut-heads with more regulations are taking away the individual responsibility, because Democrats New Yorkers are so stupid that they need their Government to control their lives.

I'm glad to live in Virginia were the Governor respect my rights.

how about you go look at the Harvard Endowment , you know , a much loved lefty "not-for-profit" , you know how leftists like you love NFP's and think that they are the kindest, bestest, coolest

in 2004 alone the their top 5 hegde fund managers took home an average of 16 MILLION a peice...their not-for-profit made 21% on it's HEDGE FUND investments last year alone , interesting

your pablum and drivle is pretty tired and played out , but then I think you know that

More guns in upstate than you can shake a stick at. They will not be going quietly. Knee jerk legistation without thought. American status quo. Crazy is as crazy does and you can't fix stupid.

obviosly you have never read the constitution nor the second amendment,

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

while protecting your homes and family are nice byproducts of bearing arms the reason our for farthers gave us that right is to protect our freedom from tyrants and over controling goverments like the one they recently ousted for taxation without repersentation. those who ignore history are doomed to repeat it and sadly whith so many so willing to give away any and all of your rights for any reason. well its sad to think that some poor bastard died away from his family orphaned his children in some far of land to perserve that right for you and we are to distracted by kim and kayne or facebook that cant even see that all the sacrafices and hard work of previose generations is being eroded and stolen from us one piece at a time sad

This will be as about as effective as the "just say no" campaign.

And another piece of our freedom flies away.

Those who sleep with their rifles at night will be clutching them a little closer upon this news

To my knowledge nobody even makes a 7 round magazine for my firearm. And aside from the little tiny carry pistols designed for extreme concealment or for women to carry in their purse, I don't think there is a .32, 9mm, or .40 even made that comes with less than an 8 or 9 round mag. My .40 comes standard with a 14 round mag. The only automatic pistol I have shot with 7 or less rounds in the mag is the good old fashioned 1911 .45 ACP. I guess the government is saying we should get rid of our smaller caliber weapons and get better at shooting with fewer rounds?

There are what, about 2400 gun laws already? Yet for some reason sociopaths are STILL sociopaths.. Perhaps they should just skip the gun legislation and make it illegal to be a murderous sociopath.. Would be about as effective.

So the way I read that, the new law will make is so that my custom hunting rifle with a pistol grip is now considered an assault weapon since it has one part in common with an assault weapon. I suppose putting a flash suppressor on a rifle that is designed to redirect gasses in a downward force to lessen the muzzle climb makes it an assault rifle too.

BTW, creating a law that restricts the second amendment and does not grandfather in prior law abiding citizens does not make those people criminals.

And since they cannot repeal any of the bill of rights (ie the first 10 amendments for those who didn't pay attention in grade school), all they can do is pile laws to restrict gun ownership on us. And keep track of who has what guns. They don't have to repeal it, they are defeating the entire purpose of the amendment.. If you don't know the purpose of the second amendment, you REALLY need to get off the internet and open a book once in a while.

Ryan, No gun is being confiscated. Where did you read that in the article. The ban is for high capacity magazines. I don't see that as a rights enfringement to require gun enthusiast to re-load after firing 7 to 10 rounds. I can enjoy Freedom of Speech but not by graffitying my beliefs on the walls of City Hall. There are reasonable and unreasonable applications to our rights, and frankly, if you haven't made the kill after 7 shots as a sportsperson, I'd lean more towards the needs of public safety and forcing the criminal to pause, thereby providing opportunity to respond or escape. It's balanced with the right of the general public to live.

MORE murders are commited EACH YEAR with hammers and clubs than are commited with ALL types of rifles combined

Another specious argument. More homicides are committed every year using a firearm than all other weapons combined, including hammers.

This isn't just about rifles - or hammer. But, lucky for you, you can own a hammer for self-defense without any limitations whatsoever. Knock yourself out. ;-)

oskar @ #2.39

true that....

I guess it just seems ironic that the head of the NRA who is always shouting about protecting our country and our families, would dodge the Vietnam draft when so many thousands of American men and women were serving over there.

Seems he would have jumped at the chance to use all those military assault weapons.

Our goverment wants to take away as many rights as they can as we are starting to see more and more today.

If they care about our kids like they say why don't they stop all of the abortions???? They kill approx. 25 babys a week here in just one town, if our goverment cares so much they should stop this before they take away the people's guns????

How convenient Ryan just ignore the word regulated You need to look up the word Regulated You doing what the heads of the NRA does only use the words in the 2nd admenment that you like and ignore the others.

TO: N. Serling who wrote:

"Criminal's don't follow these laws and mass punishment does not work!"

If you don't like the laws, just stay out of New York and California.

Problem solved.

note to little timmy

the subject is the "assault rifles" (which is a leftist made up term) , please try to keep up with the conversation , oh my fault , you some from the Alinsky syndrome of "change the issue", sorry

let us know when you have anything substantive to add to the actual topic , thanks alot

"If you don't like the laws, just stay out of New York and California."

haha...no problem there , 2 azz boil states that are defunct and full of leftist Chavez's

whos the skank in your avatar?

Way to go, New York. Thanks for taking this big step in the right direction.

TO: Bill from Fargo who wrote:

"Our goverment wants to take away as many rights as they can as we are starting to see more and more today.

If they care about our kids like they say why don't they stop all of the abortions???? They kill approx. 25 babys a week here in just one town..."

Sounds like YOU want to take away a woman's right, to make her own choices.

If you you don't like abortions, don't have one.

If you have 25 babies aborted every week in your town, that definately sounds like a local problem, probably having abortions because somebody won't allow the women to take "the pill".

What laws are made in New York and California don't have anything to do with the Dakotas.

You forgot to mention that if you include all firearms the there were over 50,000 deaths a year and that does not include the additional 20,000+ that commit suicide each year using a gun.

Also, NO ONE is suggesting we take rifles away from law abiding americans. I am still waiting for a legitimate argement why we should not close gun show loophole or stop selling those large ammo clips.

haha...no problem there , 2 azz boil states that are defunct and full of leftist Chavez's

............And New York gave Key of the City to Mahmud Ajmadenijhad the Iranian President

Jeff, according to the CDC, there were 31,672 total firearm deaths in 2011. That includes people who were shot and killed by law enforcement, people shot and killed in self-defense, suicides, and stupid people who accidentally shot themselves.

The National Rifle Association was "outraged" Tuesday calling New York's gun control bill "draconian," . . . "lawmakers . . . opted for trampling the rights of law-abiding gun owners in New York, and they did it under a veil of secrecy in the dark of night."

Sour grapes, NRA. Oh, boo-hoo-hoo. I and all the families of the innocent victims of gun deaths applaud Governor Cuomo for having the guts to stand up to the NRA. American citizens are sick to death of being held hostage by this tyrannical group. May the rest of the nation follow suit with similar legislation.

again the leftists perp laws on law abiding citizens that will for instance force people who seek therapy away from their therapist due to fear of losing their weapons. We'll all be looking over our shoulder at those therapists who are supposed to help us through the prevailing social conflicts of the day and not just those with true mental illness. Of course the therapists may now have to advertise as 2nd amendment friendly. Divisive bastards.

With one stroke of the pen, Andrew @!$%#mo has made the world a much more dangerous place for law abiding citizens not only in New York, but the entire country. As of today, @!$%#mo has just declared open season on law abiding citizens nation-wide.

This is the most assinine piece of legislation I have ever seen. Magazines beyond 7 round capacity are now illegal for sale in the state of New York. You are allowed to purchase 10 round magazines out of state, but legally can not carry more than 7 rounds in one. Look at the obvious firepower disadvantage a citizen will face should he ever have to use a firearm to protect his family, business or property. A criminal has no restrictions at all in terms of getting whatever firepower he needs to do whatever he's going to do. The criminal will have more rounds at his disposal, meaning he'll have more opportunity to influence the outcome of any engagement. The obvious question is what happens to a citizen who loads his 10 round mag to the max to defend his family against a criminal. By the letter of this law, that citizen will face charges.

The reason why we have a Second Amendment is to protect the citizenry, and for the citizenry to protect itself, from the likes of Andrew @!$%#mo. The Second Amendment gives citizens the right to remove threats like @!$%#mo by any and all means necessary. I don't view such action as assassination; I view it as wiping $hit off the anus of this country.

Jeff, you need to wipe! You got numbers falling out of your backside! Talk about making stuff up...

if you include all firearms the there were over 50,000 deaths a year and that does not include the additional 20,000+ that commit suicide each year using a gun.

There are an estimated 300,000,000 privately owned firearms in the US.
There were approximately 11,100 firearm homicides in 2010 in the US. {CDC}
{CDC reports that a total of approximately 31,500 died in 2010 from guns, approximately 11,100 of which were homicides. With approximately 600 of the remaining approximate 20,400 being accidental in nature.}
That is 0.000038 percent of guns used for gun violence.
It also means there were 299,988,507 guns in the hands of completely safe people.
99.999962 percent of guns are owned, used and enjoyed by safe, law abiding citizens.

And when it comes to violent crime as a whole, since Great Britain has that wonderful gun ban in place, has approximately 3.5 times MORE violent crime than we do.

Choose Your Own Crime Stats

Also, NO ONE is suggesting we take rifles away from law abiding americans.

That's what the just did in New York. Hopefully the People are smart enough to understand that ALL laws restricting firearms ARE unconstitutional and therefore unlawful, and thereby unenforceable... {Unconstitutional Official Acts -- 16 Am Jur 2d, Sec 177 late 2d, Sec 256}

I am still waiting for a legitimate argement why we should not close gun show loophole

Because there isn't one. Ya can't close what ain't there...

or stop selling those large ammo clips.

If you're going to talk about guns, at least make it look like you know what you're talking about. There is no such thing as a high capacity "clip"... Generally clips only hold 5 rounds, and some hold 10. An en bloc holds 8. But that's pretty much it.

Magazine vs Clip

We don’t need guns against an oppressive government, because the Constitution has internal safeguards, but we should ban and seize all guns, thereby violating the 2nd, 4th, and 5th amendments to that Constitution.

"Certainly one of the chief guarantees of freedom under any government, no matter how popular and respected, is the right of citizens to keep and bear arms ... THE RIGHT OF THE CITIZENS TO BEAR ARMS IS JUST ONE GUARANTEE AGAINST ARBITRARY GOVERNMENT, one more safeguard, against the tyranny which now appears remote in America BUT WHICH HISTORICALLY HAS PROVEN TO BE ALWAYS POSSIBLE." -- Hubert H. Humphrey Liberal Democratic Senator, 22 October 1959

Uncle Ben re post 2.25#, You know good and well this is a waste of time and money. Just look at the gun laws and it's results in Barack Obama's home town. I can hardly wait for the President's input on Wed with Biden's "crack gun task farce's" result's! The President is a little to late and certainly not the moral compass on this issue. And if so why did he ignore the issue of gun violence in his hometown? First community organizer, Senator and bam the White House! During the Nato Summit in Chicago Obama was in town hosting campaign parties at 5K a plate while bullets were flying within a mile radius of his home! We're not talking about the usual Secret Service detail the POTUS travels with, Chicago was gaurded to the hilt. Emanuel put on 700 Patrolmen to boot and nothing silenced the gang-bangers from killing! Yeah these tough laws will have a "real" effect...Not! And does he even have any concern for his own daughters? Or is he just booking outa here for Hawaii after his term? The President didn't lift a finger for the innocent boys and girls of color that were lying in a pool of blood on the streets of Chicago when he had the chance. His Libby lap-dogs here on the Vine claim it is a State and City issue. Fine, then explain his response to Sandy Hook? Why turn his back on Chicago after he had their votes in his pocket? And why now after the killing of 20 white children? The hundreds of black children didn't matter? Or is this one of his crazy a$$ revelations? The only fact of the matter is Sen Ball's observation," Cuomo will never be President" or re-elected as Gov for that matter! Obama the consumate campaigner new that all to well and shut his mouth until after the re-election! Fix the economy,eliminate Pork from the bill's that come before Congress,and enjoy the fact that you'll be Teeing off in Maui with 2 Secret Service men as Caddy and 1 to improve your lie,for the rest of your life, dumba$$.

FINALLY! New York will be murder free very soon! YIPEE! And... I'm back to reality.

Now, all of the convicted murderers, like grandmother, sister and firemen killer William Spengler, who the court saw fit to release back in to society, can continue to ignore laws and murder. Business as usual for the crazy and the criminals. Law abiding citizens will now face continued hurdles to utilize their basic Constitutional right to bear arms.

Yes, rights are being infringed upon. However, if the citizenry allows it to happen, that means it is what they want. If no one challenges this law, then it must be what the people of New York want. I do not live there (there's a reason). I do not want to live there. I've seen how the government there is, and I choose freedom. If the people of the state of New York choose the bars that they live behind, good for them.

I don't think the law is really that bad of an idea, but my .45 cal. holds nine shots. So what we are saying here is that I can, legally, have eightrounds in the weapon as long as I have one chambered. Interesting. I'm sure that the gangs and stuff will get right on that. I hear the Crips are registering their AKs as we speak. The Bloods are most likely to follow, they just don't want to be in the same line with the Crips.

Again, law abiding, peaceful citizens obey laws (most of them anyway, but no one fusses over a speeding ticket or three). Criminals do not. The fact is, if you have a law that makes a Doctor rat out a patient that "seems" mentally disturbed, you have violated Doctor/Patient confidentiality laws (lawyers are foaming at the mouth over that one), or you have made it so people who have weapons will not be seeking mental health any time soon. Isn't that one of the things we need to fix? People who have weapons or access to them who might be in need of mental health services? So this new law just makes it so I can only have eight bullets in my weapon.

I applaud your attempt New York. Might I suggest something different though instead of an exercise in futility?

The part about a Doctor having to break confidentiality might have an impact on keeping guns out of the hands of mentally ill individuals and reporting a stolen firearm within 24 hours is good, But the rest is just knee jerk reaction that will only make it harder on law abiding gun owners.

Hey wheres that Haggis fellow?...I haven't heard "the NRA is a terrorist group"..."ban all guns"..."civilians shouldn't have automatic weapons"..or one of the many comments he makes over and over again. If I was his therapist he'd be the first one I'd disarm.

@ Allen and other people that don't live in NYS. How convenientthat none of you ACTUALLY READ the bill. Firearms are to be confiscated if you do not register, if they contain any "assault" type attachments, have more than seven bullets in a magazine, if you posses high capacity magazines. I could go on. That's the difference between reading the actual piece of legislation and reading "JUST THE ARTICLE" from a completely biased news source. Anyone who actually believes this series of laws will make anyone safer is delusional.

I will not be turning in magazines and I will not be running to the police to have any weapons registered. I am now a person who, having never been arrested, is now a law breaking criminal.

@ To American Girl do you believe the garbage you post?

Spiddas,

I think when Hubert Humphrey said that, he was Linden Johnson's Vice President.

John Bayner- You can go ahead and shut it.

yeah you all can sit here and talk smack about the government taking your guns away blah blah blah...they arent taking your guns away..they are keeping weapons of war from mowing down your kids in a blaze of bullets. You no this!! Get real people!! You know darn well your all talking crap! I am a member of the NRA and have been for years..this is about the difference between respectful and proper responsible gun ownershp and someone having the ability to committ mass murder. You dont need a automatic rifle with a 100 bullet magazine to go hunting and you frickin know it. There is a difference between hunting and making hamburger out of what your shooting. No one is taking your guns guys so knock off the fear mongering for your own agenda... they are just taking control of the assault weapons that only belong in war zones..not on our streets. This is also about controlling people who think they can push people around if they got a gun in their hands..you no.. like the d*&k measuring teabag freaks from the south who cant go to the outhouse without an ouzee. No one is coming to take your guns...these assault weapons dont belong on our streets in the first place. Good start here Cuomo.

Legislation has worked SO WELL in Chicago, New York City, & DC.............. why not...... you people DESERVE what you get.........

SECEDE.......... thee ONLY answer for FREEDOM

"This legislation is not about hunters, sportsmen, or legal owners who use their guns appropriately," Cuomo said. "It is about reducing gun violence and making New York a safer place to live."

Go #$*& yourself, Cuomo, while you enjoy your State Police personal protection who are all armed with weapons that are not bound by this bullsh!t law.

note to elaine , NO ONE has "weapons of war" in the public , unless they illegally modified a rifle , notice I didn't say "assault rifle" as there is no such thing , it is against the law ALREADY to own a "weapon of war" , or didn't you know that?, ah sorry , obviously you didn't , union run public school left another one unprepared for the conversation.dang it!

elaine, the 2nd amendment is not about hunting. Take a moment to look up and read about the Battle of Athens, TN in 1946. We need to be have the ability to be appropriately armed to fight abusive government. It's happened in the U.S. before and it will happen again. At least it would happen if you liberal pansies didn't want to leave us too weak to confront an abusive government.

N. Serling: Criminals. Like you?

Glad to know that new gun laws are coming. Thank you New York for paving the way.

I wonder if Warlord Wayne LaPierre of the NRA is concerned about laws passing that outlaw those with mental disorders buying or owning a gun?

After all, he did dodge the Vietnam draft when his family doctor wrote a letter saying he had a nervous disorder.

Seems a person with his condition and his past would not want to be promoting assault weapons.

@SnakeEyes23 or what ever you call yourself Snake Sh^t!69 would be more fitting.

I work two jobs I'm a law abiding citizen and a Combat Veteran so troll elsewhere(REMF).

I have to get a copy of this law. I will carry it around with me so that if I am ever confronted by a crazy murderer who is armed with an outlawed weapon or magazine I can hold it up and stop the bullets flying my way. No law has ever stopped a criminal or prevented a crime.

Criminal's don't follow these laws and mass punishment does not work!

That's also like saying that God shouldn't have given ten commandments to Moses because some people aren't going to follow them anyways. Why say 'Thou shalt not kill'?? Criminals aren't going to read the bible anyways!

I have to get a copy of this law. I will carry it around with me so that if I am ever confronted by a crazy murderer who is armed with an outlawed weapon or magazine I can hold it up and stop the bullets flying my way. No law has ever stopped a criminal or prevented a crime.

So you're saying speed limits and traffic lights have never stopped someone from running a red light or going past the limit??? Those are laws, my friend. And they have prevented countless accidents and injuries.

Most 9mm Glock handguns are now useless in NYS since most magazines have a capacity of 13 to 21 rounds with standard being 17 rounds. All of you with Glocks for personal, business and home protection are now rendered defenseless and you are now criminals for owning those magazines.

Gofishus, you are proving the anti-gun control point without even intending to. Those bound for hell don't follow God's laws, written or not. Same holds true for criminals. No law has ever stopped a criminal from doing just what he wants. How many people are murdered each year by those against whom they have a restraining order? Laws do sh!t to protect people. Laws are only in place to prosecute offenders.

They did this in the dark of night, with no time for public input or debate. The law is restricive, a gun grab, a gun ban and unconstitutional in its magazine limits at the least since it will outlaw a large majorty of semi-automatic weapons. It is my hope that an immediate injunction is filed on this criminal act and the people of New York will get to have a say in this. New Yorkers remember - one person does not get to decide for the rest of you.

Gosomething

"cafe standards" are law to , and over 50,000 deaths are attributed directly to "cafe standards" , not all laws passed by you leftists are what they are cracked up to be

JD: AS I can neither confirm or deny when it was said, I am removing the date from the quote I have on file. Better safe than starting a rumor. If anyone can point to any legitimate sites that may be able to verify the date and where he was in the political spectrum, that would be appreciated.

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Ever since the beginning, because of the way New York drafted its Constitution, they have been the hemorrhoid of the country... Which thoroughly explains NYC! ~_o

So the politicians have spoken. Soon We the People will get to reply with our votes.

All you anti gun folks should just head to NY or California. The police there will make sure you will be safe. Chicago would be a great place for you also. I live with guns all around me and all around my neighbors and we arent afraid. We dont have a gun phobia. It seems to me all this anti-gun phobia is a form of hate speech. Something is wrong with you. Get a cat scan. Make sure you are OK.

John A.

I'm still waiting for your sources? We are talking about guns of all kinds here and not just rifles. The number jumps from 400+ to close to 9,000.

Today in my state one of 4 persons arrested for stealing 30 guns was from my town, (rifles, pistols and assault weapons) were caught. Only 20 guns were found so thanks to having all these guns all over the place and people taking them from others, we have 10 guns out there ready to kill and unaccounted for! Oh, the people they took the guns from were armed at the time and it didn't a dam good to stop them!

Force everyone to register all guns they posess Bye bye Bill of Rights and The Constitution.

Well you won't remember but ask an old WWll vet that lived in NYC what happened to them. They were told to register all the weapons they brought back from the war or the surplus they had purchased from the military. They were told the city just wanted to get a handle on were the weapons were for safteys sake.

Well within a a year he comes the law a knocking and confiscating these weapons. So you have these vets who put there lives on the lines and many wounded for this country only to be screwed over. Many times they even had their doors kicked in and were treated as common criminals.

Quess what folks, if you register I will bet that this will be happening again. What makes the people or politicians of NY such a bunch of limp wristed sissies. Damn they are afraid of their own shadows.

NYC is a shlt hole and the cops noses are stuck so far up the politicians arses they can't even see crime. I spent a week in NYC working and late one night a few blocks away WTC while waiting for some customers a AA tried to mug me. Well first he begged for cash then he tried to take it at knife point. Well this low life AA ended up out cold on the ground and summoned the cops/went to them a block and a half away. I told them what happened and they just laughed said the guy is long gone even after I pointed to him trying to stand up.

The arsehole cops/parking enforcement even had the balls to ticket me for parking in a bus zone while we where dealing with a medical emergency as all my customers are wheelchair bound and have multiple problems. I had even pulled all the way to the end of the block out of the way of any bus as the eldery lady was getting sick all over herself and even fainted for a short time. The effer did not even ask if we needed an ambulance. These dikheads in NYC only care about there bottom line and forwarding the messed up agenda

Nohing in these new laws would of had any effect on Newtown. Not any effect. Zero. Just feel good laws passed by idiots. Some body, any body, tell me how it would have prevented Newtown. Bunch of jackass morons showing "their concern" but actually doing nothing but trying to bring attention to themselves. Waste. Waste. Waste......

Ok, a little reality check for those of you who own firearms on the part of this law that says "registered if it has one military characteristic".

FACT: If your weapon has a releasable Magazine (STOP CALLING IT A CLIP!!!), that is a military characteristic. If your weapon has a Pistol Grip, that is a military characteristic. If your weapon has a selector switch (even if it is only safe/semi), that is a military characteristic. If your weapon has a scope, that is a military characteristic. If a scope can be mounted to your weapon, that is a military characteristic. If your weapon has a flash supressor, that is a military characteristic. If your weapon can be used for greater than 300 meter shots with bolt action, that is a military characteristic.

FACT: Every weapon ever made (without exception) was first made for military use. Bearing this in mind, every weapon out there, has a military characteristic. From Shotguns, to Sidearms (pistols), to any kind of rifle (Including black power, the Minute Men used those during the Revolutionary War and the French and British used those during the French/Indian War...Revolvers, Spanish/American war of 1812...the list goes on)

Get ready to register your weapons New York, the next one of you that steps out of line in the country and the citizens of New York will be at the mercy of the thugs and gangs. You've been warned!!

"This unfortunately required tragedies and loss of life to actually spur the political process to action,"

In the history of the world, have we been able to curtail tragedy and loss of life?

I love how Liberals are emotionally driven to have mastery over the uncontrollable.

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If the lack of weapons curtailed a humans will to kill....the first weapon would have never been formed.

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It just proves Liberals ARE ok with 'preemptive strikes'...it just has to be against law abiding citizens.

I was born in NY. I've been back in NY for 6 months but I'm moving back to Texas, having lived there while I was in the Army, where they still believe in the Constitution. You overtaxed NY liberals can live under the yoke of State control as you wish.

State Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands) has begun the process to file legislation assisting the protection of the Second Amendment of the United State Constitution.

The “Firearms Protection Act” bill would make any federal law banning semi-automatic firearms or limiting the size of gun magazines unenforceable within the state’s boundaries. Anyone trying to enforce a federal gun ban could face felony charges under the proposal.

“We can no longer depend on the Federal Government and this Administration to uphold a Constitution that they no longer believe in. The liberties of the People of Texas and the sovereignty of our State are too important to just let the Federal Government take them away. The overreach of the federal administrations executive orders that are do not align with the Constitution, are not very popular here in Texas,” said Toth.

Along with Wyoming, Texas will lead the country in continuing to stand for the sovereignty to run Texas as Texans see fit while exercising the Bill of Rights Amendments 2& 10 to “prevent misconstruction or abuse of its powers … [to] extending the ground of public confidence in the Government.”

Along with Texas Attorney General Greg Abbott, who has already filed more than 23 suits against the Federal Government, Toth will continue to stand with other Texans to encourage the promotion of personal responsibility and liberties while actively guarding against outside parties attempting to erode the freedoms enjoyed by Texans so that the people of Texas may have more confidence in their government.

For more information contact, Amy Lane, Chief of Staff at 512-463-0797. Steve Toth is the newly elected State Representative for District 15, which includes The Woodlands, Shenandoah, Imperial Oaks, Oak Ridge North and Benders Landing along with some of the surrounding areas. He lives and works in District 15 and is establishing a House District 15 Office in Alden Bridge near the corner of Research Forest and Kuykendahl that he hopes to open by February of this coming year.

All they are going to do is pass some feel good legislation and make millions of previous law abiding citizens into criminals

I live in upstate NY on a farm I have had to use my rifle to shoot rabid raccoons and coyotes to defend my children and dogs

I am a LAW ABIDING CITIZEN I AM NOT a CRIMINAL & NOW MUST REGISTER MY GUNS LIKE A SEX OFFENDER CRIMINAL

THIS IS WRONG AND CUOMO IS FINISHED ON THE NATIONAL POLITICAL STAGE!

I supported him in the last election even donated money NO MORE I WILL NOW WORK FOR HIS DEFEAT

and this begs a LAW SUIT ALL THE WAY TO THE SUPREME COURT!

Banning firearms from Americans completely... banning American manufactures from producing firearms...

will be as effective at keeping weapons out of criminals hands as

Enforcing stringent environmental policies in America and expecting that it will somehow prevent other countries from polluting our air anyway.

Thanks for the info, Ron B.

Hopefully more f the sovereign States of the Union quickly get on board!

This is only the beginning... THe criminals will ahve all the guns, ammunition and the mentality to do what ever they want to. Oh wait they already do. I for one if I lived in NY i would have left yesterday. And to top that, you're only doing something wrong if you get caught. I have 40 round magazines. Does that make me a criminal? Emphatically NO!!! I AM a law abiding citizen and teach my kids how to handle firearms. That is only one way to assist is curbing the vviolence. I also teach them that gun control is, "Hitting your Target". My father was a MArine Corp Drill Instructor, and taught me how to use weapons at 10 years of age. By 12 I could hit a target at 200yds with iron sights center mass every-single-time, using his M1 Garand. Now I own 3 classes of firearms. Winchester 70 in 30.06 for long distance. Bushmaster .223 for med distance and close in. And 2 hand guns. A FN Five-Seven 5.7x28 and a Taurus 24-7 .45 ACP. I target shoot on a regular basis along with my wife. She is ex-military. So before anyone would attempt to do harm to my family will get a chest and head full of lead. Oh yeah, I teach my kids the "Body Armor Drill" as well.

Thousands of people are killed by cars every year.

Thousands of people are killed by guns every year.

Cars and guns should be well regulated in the same manner.

NY City has passed the stupidest gun laws in the nation. The only ones it will affect are the law abiding citizens. Criminals, hence the name, don't follow the law currently on the books, what goo will more laws do?, None. We'll see how safe they make anyone when the next criminal shoots some one. I saw nothing in the previsions to prohibit felons from possessing guns, which for you unenlightened has been a felony since 1934, yet felons are caught with guns every day and not charged with the offense. Why, lefties aren't the current 27,738 gun law currently on the book enforced? Why do you feel more will accomplish something these largely unenforced law don't? Oh that's right, you await the day of a national ban with baited breath. Won't happen and on the off chance it does, get ready. You won't like the way most of us react. Our fore fathers were criminals when they opposed the crown, that day could come again brainwashed loyalist lefties.

The Kennedy's got rich off prohibition, I can see some enterprising people making tons of cash smuggling the guns into N.Y. All they have done is create another black market. But then, that might be the intent.

I am so glad I don't live in one of the Peoples Republik states. And as for the comment about staying out of N.Y or Cali if you don't like laws. Trust me, I wouldn't live in California, the Granola state, for any reason. What ain't Nuts, and Fruits is Flakes.

Went to the evil gun store today SOLD OUT of so called assault weapons by 3 PM. Cuomo has been the BEST GUN SALESMAN EVERY!

They have literally sold thousands of guns in the past week in upstate NY a virtual run on the gun stores People were waiting in line to get in.

Spoke to a police officer who was at the store and Quote, " I will refuse to enter peoples homes to take away their guns. Even some of the Police don't support this

The NRA seems to be ignoring the fact that the NY state legislature does most of its important and contentious business in the "dead of night".. hehe.

NY state is entitled to do what it wants and what suits it, and then have its opponents test it in the Federal courts. Each state needs to find its own way. CA doesn't do things in the "dead of night" and Governor Brown has said he does not plan for push for any further tightening of our gun laws. In fact, he's said that he doesn't intend to comment on the national debate at all, as we have no desire to see our current laws and policies change. 'sides, given how well he's polling and how he's just managed to pull the world's biggest rabbit out of his hat, on balancing the budget, he has no reason to jump into this debate.

Damn stupid libtards.

"Increase penalties for shooting first responders, called the "Webster provision." Two firefighters were killed when shot by a person who set a fire in the western New York town of Webster last month. The crime would be punishable by life in prison without parole."

If Spengler had been given life for murdering his grandmother then he would not have been free to murder his sister and the firemen. Somehow, to a liberal, murdering firemen is worse than murdering a relative.

Gun bans don't work. Here we are on the 15th day of 2013 and Chicago already has 22 homicides. None of them which I would guess is by a legally owned gun. So how is gun regulation working out for the residents of Chicago? They are probably off the streets at sundown, or always looking over their shoulders as they walk from place to place. Soon to be the same in NY.

Chicago is the living truth to the statement "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns"

If you really want to cut down on the gun stats. Increase the severity of the penalties. But the libbies would have none of that, would they? Don't send them to some country club jail. Sentence them to hard labor for life. After all take from them exactly what they took from their victims. We all know that would be the worst punnishment for these lazy __— cowards.

miklkit,

I can't tell, are you for or against this law? The purchase of a car is not regulated. I can buy a car without a license or background check. I only need a license to drive the car on public roads. So I would agree, guns and cars should be regulated the same way.

I have a carry permit, not valid in NYS of course, that allows me to carry in public in many States. I did not need that license just to buy and own the gun.

If you believe this law is good because it will save lives then you should advocate for all cars having a breathalizer ignition. That would save more lives than this gun/magazine ban.

Mike Bernhardt launched Crockett & Bowie, a firearms dealership, less than two years ago.

Bernhardt describes his lone pet peeve when it comes to the firearms industry: that people can get concealed handgun licenses without ever having picked up a firearm. “I think that is terrible. You can’t get in a car without getting a driver's license. But there are a lot of people walking around with handguns who have no idea what a gun is.”

Roadkill

You can’t get in a car without getting a driver's license.

Illegal immigrants are driving without Driver license and insurance, many of the are driving drunk and also kill innocent people, what is the Governor of New York, and the president doing to stop it.

I surely hope the uninformed anti gun sheeple of this country are happy about this, especially you sheeple in NY.

It is sad that we live in a country where the crimnals keep getting stronger and its law abiding citizens get weaker.

Its sad that the crimnals have more rights than we do.

Its sad that a government thinks that it can take away the rights of its law abiding tax paying citizens, in the guise of safety, but let convicted murderers out on early release or turn mentally ill patients out on the street so the state dosn't have to pay to put them in an institution.

Its sad that you sheeple actually think that by passing more laws criminals will stop being criminals.

Its sad that because someone steals a gun and commits a crime with it that myself and everyother law abiding gun owner has to pay for it for the rest of our lives. The crimal only has to pay for a few short years.

Its sad that a state that has cut more funding for mental illness than most states has only briefly addressed the mental health issue.

Its sad that you sheeple cant look as close as our gun free prisons to see what is being made every day to kill people with.

Its sad that we live in a country that has a media that glorifies mass killings for no nothing more than ratings.

Its sad that we live in a country that takes prayer out of school but can kill how many million babies by abortion every year.

Its sad that we can handout welfare money to people that absolutely refuse to work but cuts law enforcement because of no money.

Its sad that we as voters cant get term limits passed for the same POS congress thats been efing this country up for how many years.

Ten years ago I made $17 an hour, now I make $13. Its sad that while facing economic ruin our govt can give themselves a raise.

Its sad that we as citizens arent supposed to arm ourselves for protection but our wonderful president surrounds himself with armed gaurds.

I can keep going but im starting to ramble.

Unlike a lot of sheeple in this country Im not try to make people believe how I believe or live like I live. I just wish this government, Republican and Dem alike, would pull their heads out of their backsides and pass some laws that actually do some good for ths country.

Want to create jobs? Tax the hell out of the imports so hard that no one can afford to import stuff here. Companies will move back because they will have to. Punish heavily the stores like Wal mart that buy 99% of their stuff from over seas. When Americans have money they spend money.

Want to reduce crime? how about changing our judicial system. How can a convicted criminal get off scott free when an i dosntg et dotted or a t crossed during his trial. How about instead of life in prison without parole we kill them instead. Publicly. For all to see. maybe it would scare the crap out of someone wher they wont want to comit the crime. Maybe we should start taking some lessons from third world countries on how to handle thieves and drug users. Maybe some missing body parts will be a detourant. How about close our borders and boot all illegals. We have enough people here now and my wallet is tired of paying for people that ar not here legally.

How bout some common sense gun laws? Start with safety. How bout trained instructors go to the schools and train/teach kids guns and gun safety. teach them what to do and what not to d when they find a gun in the home or on the street so they dont shoot a friend or sibling. im not saying arm kids im saying teach kids. How about passing laws the make PEOPLE responsible for their OWN actions. Send first offenders away for a long enugh time they wont want to do it again.Iif they do it again kill em.

How about passing a law that states that if someone comitts a law against society that they revoke ALL rights.

oskar - All of those things are ILLEGAL, already. And, yes, there a plenty of "drunk, licence-less, illegals" in jail and deported because of such. BTW - You are arguing with the pro-gun firearms dealer - Mike Bernhardt.

According to a study published in the Journal of Trauma and Acute Care Surgery, for "every time a gun in the home was used in a self-defense or legally justifiable shooting, there were four unintentional shootings, seven criminal assaults or homicides, and 11 attempted or completed suicides."

In other words, a gun is 22 more times likely to be used in a criminal assault, an accidental death or injury, a suicide attempt or a homicide than it is for self-defense.

I prefer the odds associated with not having a gun in my home.

John Athondoe:

the subject is the "assault rifles" (which is a leftist made up term) ,

The title of the article is:

New York passes major gun control law -- first since Newtown massacre

Notice the phrase "gun control", not "assault rifles".

let us know when you have anything substantive to add to the actual topic

I did. Comparing hammers to rifles in a discussion about guns as a whole is a specious argument. It basically means the argument sounds good but is deceptively attractive because the topic is not just rifles. The topic is, as the title of the article clearly states, gun control.

Let us know when you figure out what's really going on.

You are right Ryan, I should have read the Bill and that is what I did. Hear is part of the argument in support of it. "

STATEMENT IN SUPPORT:

In the wrong hands, guns are weapons of untold destruction and heartbreak: family and community members are taken from us in an instant; mass shootings shatter our sense of safety in public spaces; street crimes plague our neighborhoods. Nationwide, gun violence claims over 30,000 lives annually. While the Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, the Supreme Court has said that that right is "not unlimited." District of Columbia v. Heller, 554 U.S. 570, 595, 626 (2008). In the Heller case, the Supreme Court explained, "nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms." 554 U.S. at 626-27. The Court also recognized there is a "historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of 'dangerous and unusual' weapons." Instead of Assault Weapons we could just use the Supreme Courts definition "dangerous and unusual." It appears that the drafters took cautions to protect the rights of law abiding gun owners, though I have to agree with another poster that mandatory registration may have legal hurdles. I can't exercise the right to vote without registering, so I don't see a conflict.

Key quote "Second Amendment protects the right to keep and bear arms, the Supreme Court has said that that right is "not unlimited."

ALL,

The NEWTOWN shooter did NOT use a RIFLE, ASSUALT or OTHERWISE... This is a BOLD FACE LIE by the MEDIA!!! IT was pulled out of the Shooters Trunk after it was over with by Law Enforcement...

Roadkill re#2.111, In Illinois you can buy a car without a license. So if you have a down payment at a shyster used car lot or cash in full you can get in and go. You just cannot buy insurance without a valid license here. So if you get in a car wreck with one of these people you're screwed. However, in Illinois you cannot purchase a firearm or ammunition without a FOID card and picture ID! The average person does not buy a handgun then walk around wondering why they bought it. I would be an advocate of required gun training at a firing range with a firearm purchase. As long as it would lead to being able to carry your newly trained to handle gun.

Repeat after me that "Congress shall enact no laws that infringe upon these Rights" if Obama wants an uprising against his federal socialism, then he picked the right cause. NY State laws have to be consistent with the Constitution. they are as bad a california, hopefully they will face another test in court.

The NEWTOWN shooter did NOT use a RIFLE, ASSUALT or OTHERWISE... This is a BOLD FACE LIE by the MEDIA!!! IT was pulled out of the Shooters Trunk after it was over with by Law Enforcement...

The Newtown Medical Examiner's official report stated clearly that all 20 children and six adults at the Sandy Hook Elementary school were killed using the Bushmaster .223 rifle. In fact, the only one killed with a handgun was the shooter himself, by his own hand. This conflicted with initial reports that the rifle was left in the car, which turned out to be inaccurate.

The media didn't lie - they just made a mistake initially which was corrected and was confirmed by the M.E.'s report.

Not every inconsistency is evidence of a conspiracy.

tim-2799493,

Then the tape/recording of the officers opening and taking the Rifle out of his trunk was a mistake also... It was shown more then once on the air, who's mistaking, or more then one Rifle?!?!

#2.104 miklkit - Thousands of people are killed by cars every year. Thousands of people are killed by guns every year. Cars and guns should be well regulated in the same manner.

The error in your multiple posts saying the same thing is that thousands of people are INTENTIONALLY killed by guns yearly, whereas with automobiles, it is accidental.

As a "50-ish", single, female, Republican, former resident of NYS, I have to say:

1. I am glad that I can claim that I am a FORMER resident;

2. I am embarrassed to admit that I am a FORMER resident;

3. NY has no right to infringe upon our constitutional rights;

4. If anyone needs more than 7 bullets in a clip, then you need target practice - let me know and I'll take you to a range with me 'cause I can protect myself with 2 - max;

5. I far prefer the odds with a gun in my hand than one in the hands of an intruder;

6. I have been educated in firearm safety, and grew up around guns my whole life - NEVER were we allowed to misuse or abuse a firearm;

7. Which leads to: proper education and responsibility;

8. Which leads to: scumbags don't follow the law, nor do they propigate education or responsibility;

9. Which leads to: how in the world is a simple gun-seller going to determine if a buyer is mentally competent??? For chrissakes.

10. Which leads to: I'll register my handgun - no problem. It proves that I am educated and responsible. I don't HAVE to in the state that I currently reside in, but I will. And NO ONE will take it from me.

This is not about what type of gun was used in CT. It's about RIGHTS. I am all in favor of prohibiting autos - no one needs an auto for hunting or pleasure sports. But this is getting extreme and ridiculous. (Master of the obvious.)

Now - should the mentally handicapped be deprived of the right to own a gun? I can't say. Who is to determine if they are mentally handicapped? Do you want Joe Gunsmith to determine that? I think not. I've known a lot of people in my day that should not own guns, but they have 'em. There's my major concern.

Until we all undergo psychiatric evaluation, I don't think there's and answer to this. And I'm NOT about to undergo evaluation - they may try to take my gun! :)

I have to get a copy of this law. I will carry it around with me so that if I am ever confronted by a crazy murderer who is armed with an outlawed weapon or magazine I can hold it up and stop the bullets flying my way. No law has ever stopped a criminal or prevented a crime.

It'd probably be thick enough to stop any bullets.

nein nein nein - Where does that stop? How many laws or amendments would you like to repeal?

I have the right to protect my family, my home, my belongings from any and everyone who will try to harm them or take them. PERIOD. As a person I am entitled to that. Not as a resident of the USA, not as a resident of the state I am in, not whether I am black or white, not whether I live in a house or an apartment, not whether I am Democrat or Republican - as a person. A person who has worked hard for what I have and what I can provide to my family.

So if you want to protect everyone, how about putting some more forceful laws into effect that protect our children from predetors? How about more forceful laws to protect our aged? How about following through with death sentences instead of letting them sit on death row for horrific crimes for years on end while costing hundreds of thousandsd of dollars?

I bet if someone broke into your home while you family was in residence at the time, you would sing a different song.

CHILL, parts of the law are obviously unconstitutional and will be repealed in court later, and they knew this when they passed it, its just a ploy. hmm, well it BETTER get contested in court, because its the test run for the federal laws to gauge acceptance and to see how far they can push the limits. Then later on down the road, they'll push some more until we are all disarmed. To bad the tyrants stated in the 2nd amend is our own government

miklkit:

Cars and guns should be well regulated in the same manner.

I take it that you are meaning to be well regulated like the militia is SUPPOSED to be??? Ya better learn the definitions used by CONGRESS and the COURTS before you open your mouth to stick yer foot in it again!

"Well Regulated" is defined as: well equipped, well ordered and well trained...

"Militia" is defined as: A body of CITIZENS ARMED and trained, esp. by a state*, for military service APART FROM the regular armed forces. -- reserve militia. ALL persons who are not exempt from military service and not actively serving in the armed forces OR national guard. -- Black's Law Dictionary 8th Edition

*"Esp. by a state" is separated because the law does NOT REQUIRE it to be managed BY the state. HOWEVER, private militias MUST follow and abide by Constitutional Law.

3 Reasons to Support Gun Control... NOT!!!!!!!

A majority of the population supports gun control, just like a majority of the population supported owning slaves.

Washington DC’s low murder rate of 80.6 per 100,000 is due to strict gun control, and Arlington, VA’s high murder rate of 1.6 per 100,000 is due to the lack of gun control.

Gun registration will cut down the number of guns the criminal have, even though the courts have stated the criminals do not have to register their guns because it is self-incrimination.

But, should we really be listening to someone like Wayne LePierre, who claimed he has a nervous disorder, talking about our need for more and more weapons?

Perhaps he lied about it when he had his family doctor write that down so he could avoid the draft in '69, but if that is so, then should we really be listening to someone who would lie to keep from serving his country?

Then the tape/recording of the officers opening and taking the Rifle out of his trunk was a mistake also... It was shown more then once on the air, who's mistaking, or more then one Rifle?!?!

The fact is that according to the autopsies, all of the victims were shot with the Bushmaster, regardless of what video clips you might think you have seen.

I repeat. Repeal the second amendment. It's the only sensible course of action.

Germans don't have a say on foreign matters, nein nein nein.

God luck and god speed, you people are screwed

Using a law, rule, regulation ect. to deprive anyone of their rights is a federal offence.

Title 42 Chapter 1983 usc.

Take Cuomo's money and make him live on the street in a cardboard box. then it is Bloomberg's turn.

it only took one shot to kill Lincoln. are you sure that the laws are tough enough?

Fireing squad seems appropriate in these cases.

Well, this crap really worked well in Chicago, right? Of course, when you have a corrupt POS for governor like Cuomo, and Napoleonic POS for a mayor like Bloomberg, what do you expect. Both are rich, both have their own private bodyguards, both loons are from the far left, regardless what rich spoiled little man Bloomberg spouts off about being Independent. It kind of reminds you of the left-leaning loons in Hollywood who are against possessing guns but have their own security to protect their sorry asses.

I have yet to meet or see one honest politician in this country. Almost every one of them is a lying, two-faced swindling corrupt POS! They get special Congressional privileges like "Insider Trading", Gold-plated healthcare plan; of course, not the one you are forced to use at the threat of "Debtor's Prison" if you don't pay up and obtain health insurance. The kind that is about as worthless as a pecker on a hen. And lets not forget private jets at our expense. You see, during the summer they like to take fact-finding trips to Europe, especially the Italian Riviera (which I have personally witnessed more than once). And don't forget limousine service that was stopped back in the mid 70's. But it's probably back in full operation knowing them. And their corrupt on both sides of the isle. Why else would all these new bills be stuff with more pork, than you are, at Christmas dinner? Now they want to confiscate over half of the guns out there. Most people who own a pistol, own a semi-auto 9mm. or 45 cal. They are easy to reload faster than the old fashion revolvers. Especially during home invasions or carjackings or robberies, etc... But don't let reality get in the way of simple facts.

They start with making us register some weapons, and then all weapons. Then comes the confiscation of those weapons. After all, they're going to protect you in moment of peril, right? How many times has 911 operator put people on hold or take forever to answer the freaking phone? And lets not forget those wonderful blackouts that happen without warning. Yeah, just stay in your house until the power comes back on in a few days or so. Meantime, gangs and thugs roam the neighborhood with their illegal machine-guns and nine shot semi-auto's and whatever else they can pack on them. Isn't it simply amazing how these jackass politicians fail to understand that it's not the good guys you need to worry about. It's the psychos and criminals that always seem to obtain the firepower.

I remember during a special 48 Hours broadcast on television, they were highlighting the Gangs of Chicago. I remember them interview one of the leaders of the biggest Chicago gangs El Rukn. The interview was stunning to say the least. The leader stated to the affect that there are overr 32,000 gang members within the City of Chicago. They could take the City of Chicago anytime they so chose. They chose not to do so. The police number about 13,000 at the time. When asked about the weapons they had, the leader asked the interviewer what do you need? The interview asked for 9mm. Semi-autos. The leader said I can get you an AK-47, or an M60 Machine gun if you like. He said they had anti-tank weapons too, like bazookas, RPG's, and grenades, etc... And where did they get them, not at gun shows or local gun stores to be sure! The link below will answer part of that question.

But the POS politicians and anti-gun nuts just can't bring themselves to admit what I am saying is true. I am not a member of the NRA. I do not shoot Bambi, since I do not hunt. I do not have a pistol. I do possess a shotgun for protection but that won't reload fast enough during a real crisis. Yes, we do need assault weapons and not for hunting either. If the bad guy has them, I damn sure want one too. I want the odds on my side when the sh!t hits the fan on some cold dark night. And if that means RPG's too then so be it.

And so it begins:

You're sound asleep when you hear a thump outside your bedroom door.

Half-awake, and nearly paralyzed with fear, you hear muffled whispers. At least two people have broken into your house and are moving your way.

With your heart pumping, you reach down beside your bed and pick up your shotgun.

You rack a shell into the chamber, then inch toward the door and open it.

In the darkness, you make out two shadows.

One holds something that looks like a crowbar.

When the intruder brandishes it as if to strike, you raise the shotgun and fire.

The blast knocks both thugs to the floor.

One writhes and screams while the second man crawls to the front door

and lurches outside.

As you pick up the telephone to call police, you know you're in trouble.

In your country, most guns were outlawed years

before, and the few that are privately owned are so stringently regulated as to make them useless..

Yours was never registered.

Police arrive and inform you

that the second burglar has died.

They arrest you for First Degree Murder

and Illegal Possession of a Firearm.

When you talk to your attorney, he tells

you not to worry: authorities will probably plea the case down to manslaughter.

"What kind of sentence will I get?" you ask.

"Only ten-to-twelve years,"

he replies, as if that's nothing.

"Behave yourself, and you'll be out in seven."

The next day, the shooting is the lead

story in the local newspaper.

Somehow, you're portrayed as an eccentric vigilante while the two men you shot are represented as choirboys.

Their friends and relatives can't find

an unkind word to say about them..

Buried deep down in the article, authorities acknowledge that both "victims" have been arrested numerous times.

But the next day's headline says it all:

"Lovable Rogue Son Didn't Deserve to Die."

The thieves have been transformed from career criminals into Robin Hood-type pranksters..

As the days wear on, the story takes wings.

The national media picks it up,

then the international media.

The surviving burglar
has become a folk hero.

Your attorney says the thief is preparing

to sue you, and he'll probably win.

The media publishes reports that your home has been burglarized several times in the past and that you've been critical of local police for their lack

of effort in apprehending the suspects.

After the last break-in, you told your neighbor that you would be prepared next time.

The District Attorney uses this to allege

that you were lying in wait for the burglars.

A few months later, you go to trial.

The charges haven't been reduced,

as your lawyer had so confidently predicted.

When you take the stand, your anger at

the injustice of it all works against you..

Prosecutors paint a picture of you

as a mean, vengeful man.

It doesn't take long for the jury to convict you of all charges.

The judge sentences you to life in prison.

This case really happened.

On August 22, 1999, Tony Martin of Emneth, Norfolk , England , killed one burglar and wounded a second.

In April, 2000, he was convicted

and is now serving a life term..

How did it become a crime to defend one's own life in the once great British Empire ?

It started with the Pistols Act of 1903.

This seemingly reasonable law forbade selling pistols to minors or felons and established that handgun sales were to be made only to those who had a license.
The Firearms Act of 1920 expanded licensing to include not only handguns but all firearms except shotguns..

Later laws passed in 1953 and 1967 outlawed the carrying of any weapon by private citizens and mandated the registration of all shotguns.

Momentum for total handgun confiscation began in earnest after the Hungerford mass shooting in 1987.Michael Ryan, a mentally disturbed man with a Kalashnikov rifle, walked down the streets shooting everyone he saw.

When the smoke cleared, 17 people were dead.

The British public, already de-sensitized by eighty years of "gun control", demanded even tougher restrictions.
(The seizure of all privately owned handguns was the objective even though Ryan used a rifle.)

Nine years later, at Dunblane , Scotland ,
Thomas Hamilton used a semi-automatic weapon to murder 16 children and a teacher at a public school.

For many years, the media had portrayed all gun owners as mentally unstable, or worse, criminals.
Now the press had a real kook with which to beat up law-abiding gun owners.
Day after day, week after week, the media gave up all pretense of objectivity and demanded a total ban on all handguns.
The Dunblane Inquiry, a few
months later, sealed the fate of the
few sidearms
still owned by private citizens.

During the years in which the British government incrementally took away most gun rights, the notion that a citizen had the right to armed self-defense came to be seen as vigilantism.
Authorities refused to grant gun licenses to people who were threatened, claiming that self-defense was no longer considered a reason to own a gun.
Citizens who shot burglars or robbers or rapists were charged while the real criminals were released.

Indeed, after the Martin shooting, a police spokesman was quoted as saying,
"We cannot have people take the law into their own hands."

All of Martin's neighbors
had been robbed numerous times,
and several elderly people were severely injured in beatings by young thugs
who had no fear of the consequences.
Martin himself, a collector of antiques,
had seen most of his collection
trashed or stolen by burglars.

When the Dunblane Inquiry ended,
citizens who owned handguns
were given three months to turn them over to local authorities.

Being good British subjects,
most people obeyed the law.
The few who didn't were visited by police
and threatened with ten-year prison sentences if they didn't comply.

Police later bragged that they'd taken
nearly 200,000 handguns from private citizens.

How did the authorities know who had handguns?
The guns had been registered and licensed.
Kind of like cars. Sound familiar?
WAKE UP AMERICA ; THIS IS WHY OUR FOUNDING FATHERS PUT THE SECOND AMENDMENT IN OUR CONSTITUTION.

"...It does not require a majority to prevail, but rather an irate, tireless minority keen to set brush fires in people's minds.."
--Samuel AdamsIf you think this is important,

please forward to everyone you know.

You had better wake up, because Obama is doing this very same thing, over here,
if he can get it done.

And there are stupid people
in congress and on the street
that will go right along with him.

guess i wont be going to new york

Anyone who wishes to sign the petition Senator Marchione started to repeal this law may do so here:

www.nysenate.gov/webform/stand-second-amendment-standing-new-york-state-senator-kathleen-marchione

The NRA can go f**k itself. There is no reason for civilians to own military grade rifles. And last I checked, the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms for a militia, not for a bunch of gun loving nutjobs to own assault weapons. And any idiot that tries to compare guns to cars needs to shut their mouth and have their first amendment right revoked. Cars are made for transport but of course are involved in accidents and deaths because of various reasons. Guns are made solely to kill. There is no other reason for them.

Simple solution America...

NY law makers and Washington lawmakers want to hold Americans accountable for the actions of the few at Sandy Hook, Columbine, etc...via new restrictions?...

Call for their resignations for for failing to stop Sandy Hook and Columbine!

It's Cuomo's fault for Sandy Hook.

It's President Obamas fault for Sandy Hook.

If were guilty...they are guilty!

Their punishments stop, when ours do!

I'm learning more about guns by reading these comments. Criminals will always find a way to get whatever guns they want.

The fact that LaPierre is a draft dodger has nothing to do with his ability to be top guy for NRA. After all, Bill Clinton was a draft dodger and he was President of the US. Also, a lot of Quakers did not go into the armed forces due to the fact that their religion prohibits it. And I know a lot of Quakers. They are a nice group of people and do not believe in killing other people.

American Girl will write or do anything to get her Marilyn Monroe photo upfront. I have a feeling she is like me when it comes to guns-- knows very little or nothing about them other than they can kill. BTW, so can bombs (homemade or otherwise), Knives, bows and arrows, etc. This gun law is going to cause a lot of problems for psychiatrists in terms of the doctor/patient confidentiality situation. There will be lawyers out there waiting to get their greedy hands on this confidentiality problem. Whoopee -- more rich lawyers!!!

I have been to NYC one time -- and that definitely is the last time. I did not like that state then and like it less now.

Cpt. Porkchop

There is no reason for civilians to own military grade rifles.

Please define "military grade rifles".. should civilians have lower quality faulty rifles that shoot less accurately so we miss by a mile and hit something besides what we are aiming at?

And last I checked, the Second Amendment protects the right to bear arms for a militia, not for a bunch of gun loving nutjobs to own assault weapons.

Citizens ARE the militia. Please define what an assault weapon is. If you can't define specifics you can't ban it.

And any idiot that tries to compare guns to cars needs to shut their mouth and have their first amendment right revoked.

so only those who agree with you have Rights? ALL US Citizens have the SAME Rights... Neither you nor the Government gets to choose which ones any one individual retains. The Second helps secure the rest of them.

Cars are made for transport but of course are involved in accidents and deaths because of various reasons. Guns are made solely to kill. There is no other reason for them.

Heard repeatedly from the same group who insists in EVERY self defense shooting that someone should shoot to wound or warn.

I'm learning more about guns by reading these comments. Criminals will always find a way to get whatever guns they want.

Well, you're not learning very well if you think American criminals are somehow smarter and more resourceful than American law enforcement, not to mention criminals in all of the other industrialized countries where this is not an issue.

It's a patently vapid argument, an unfounded, blanket statement with no actual evidence to support it. Just another in the long list of feel-good NRA platitudes.

tim, re # 2.143, Have you ever heard of Tony Accardo? Mafia boss in Chicago that went all the way back as being Al Capone's body guard. Died in his sleep of natural causes,never were able to pin anything on him. His nickname was"Joe Batter's", probably had nothing to do with a baseball bat and someones skull I'm sure. So just go to sleep under your "Downey Scented" blanket with the assurance that if something goes bump in the night,the 911 call you make will be faster than the intruders bullets!

“FIREARMS AND FEDERAL LAW: THE GUN CONTROL ACT OF 1968

FRANKLIN E. ZIMRING

The Federal Firearms Act of 1938[38] was the most significant pre-1968 attempt to impose federal controls on the commerce and possession of a broad spectrum of firearms. Shepherded through the Congress by the National Rifle Association, the 1938 Act was pressed more to submerge than to further the schemes for federal handgun registration that regularly commuted from the justice Department to the Congress (and back) during the 1930s.[39] [Page 140]”

Wait a minute now. Did this author actually write that the NRA lobbied Congress to pass a gun control bill in 1938? What was that, JohnQPublic, "Congress shall pass no law" and "federal socialist Obama?" Kid wasn't even born yet.

This is going to be fun

"BY STEVEN ROSENFELD,...

In the early 1920s, the National Revolver Association—the NRA’s handgun training counterpart—proposed model legislation for states that included requiring a permit to carry a concealed weapon, adding five years to a prison sentence if a gun was used in a crime, and banning non-citizens from buying a handgun. They also proposed that gun dealers turn over sales records to police and created a one-day waiting period between buying a gun and getting it—two provisions that the NRA opposes today.

Nine states adopted these laws: West Virginia, New Jersey, Michigan, Indiana, Oregon, California, New Hampshire, North Dakota and Connecticut. Meanwhile, the American Bar Association had been working to create uniform state laws, and built upon the proposal but made the waiting period two days. Nine more states adopted it: Alabama, Arkansas, Maryland, Montana, Pennsylvania, South Dakota, Virginia, Washington and Wisconsin....

...The NRA President at the time, Karl T. Frederick, a 1920 Olympic gold-medal winner for marksmanship who became a lawyer, praised the new state gun controls in Congress. “I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons,” he testified before the 1938 law was passed. “I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.”

clwyd-a bunch of numbers

75% of all gun murders last year were gang banging azz wipes shooting each other , don't really care about them cacking each others stupid azz , so that lowers the actual gun murder rate quite a bit wouldn't you say..haha...maybe you leftists should be getting on board with taking down the gang world instead of parading around in your tutu's defending their "civil rights" while you ignore other peoples.

Capt Dorkchop

citizens DON"T own military grade weapons , unless they have modified one , it is ILLEGAL already , and has stiff penalties for possesion of modified automatic rifles , please try to keep up

from timmy

"Well, you're not learning very well if you think American criminals are somehow smarter and more resourceful than American law enforcement"

hahahahahahha...ya , NO criminals get away with ANYTHING here in America...what a dope

Saying that criminals will always get guns is the same as saying criminals will always get away with any other crime.

It's stupid.

Well I suspect it will be challenged. IIRC, federal law prohibits the feds or states from developing gun owner registries.

And yet, they exist.... amazing.

The NRA was outraged. Does anyone really believe that?

•Require ammunition dealers to do background checks, similar to those for gun buyers.

NY decided to be a non-POC state for firearm background checks, meaning that the check is done by the FBI NICS branch. Now they want to take on back ground checks for ammunition. That will work out well.

All they did was make law abiding citizens illegal owners of items that they may have had for a lifetime. It has no bearing on crime or safety other than keeping a criminal a bit safer by making the gun buying process a lot harder.

@tjs-mn, news bulletin: it did pass!

Federal law also recognizes the Fourth Amendment, which NYC's policy "Stop and Frisk" violates.

Somehow I doubt the feds will do a damned thing about this.

It will be appealed within the week and hopefully cooler heads will prevail.

Only the beginning... it's comin'!

What about people that make their own ammunition?

So all they are doing is keeping mentally disturbed gun owners from seeking mental help because they now have to fear having their guns taken. There is a reason for Dr patient confidentiality. The guns are not the issue mental state is the issue. Seems this is a counter productive law. Guns don't cause mass killings, crazy people do. If you have ever had the privilege of dealing with a county mental health you would know what a joke that is. Fix the mental health system and you wont have people going off the deep end. Wanna see what this is going to lead to look at China, they have a high rate of mental illness while having no ability to address it. Guess what happens over there. The farmers go crazy and go to the schools and kill children and teachers with.......Knives, shovels, ax's, etc. Lots of mass killings and none by gun. Take the guns away it will not make any difference until you address the real issue. Access to mental health treatment. We really have no idea how much like China we are becoming.

"this makes sense" state's cuomo actually it makes no-sense and all you did was make your law bidding citizens vaurnable to criminals.

congrats on your law, now watch crime rates start rising, just like Chicago the murder capital of the world with toughest gun laws !

just another knee jerk law that does NOTHING !

Thousands of people are killed by cars every year. Thousands of people are killed every year by guns.

Cars and guns should be well regulated in the same manner.

I am THRILLED that states are stepping up and legislation is finally being passed in the face of the oh-so-powerful NRA!

I can't wait until the USA has gun control laws like they have in Japan!

And a Target will be on Every New York License Plate.

One of the state senators has already started a petition to repeal this abomination of a law:

www.nysenate.gov/webform/stand-second-amendment-standing-new-york-state-senator-kathleen-marchione

@miklkit: You are an idiot. Cars are designed to transport people. Guns are obviously designed to till fields. Oh wait. NO. Their sole purpose is to KILL. They do NOTHING ELSE. Anyone comparing guns to cars are idiots

The GOP wants criminals in jail and the law abiding citizens safe. The dems have passed gun laws and the criminals love it! Now their victims are unarmed. Look at Chicago for proof

If you want to talk about bloodshed lets talk about the 17,000 people killed EVER YEAR BY DRUNKS! WHAT about them??

How about banning booze????? It kills way more people that criminals with guns do.

Does any moron really think that it matters what type of grip is on a rifle?? Criminals and nutjob just use a hand saw to cut down stocks to make them shorter. If you want to cut down on crime, keep the criminals in jail much LONGER!!! So now they will now start arresting normal people starting next year... YOU JERKS!!

What I would like to know is how do the citizens of new york feel about this or does it not matter what the majority wants there? it said in the article properly stored. Just what would that be if you have to keep them in a safe or trigger lock by the time you got to the weapon it would most likely be to late. How about the people in this city tell ol cucomo what they want not do what he wants. Its time for the people to show the pollys they work for us not we do as the pollys want.

I agree with the part about keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill. I can see requiring doctors to report a patient that might either hurt themselves or others.

This could be a great way to create jobs; require this registration of assault weapons. Does anyone know how huge the database would need to be and what sort of upkeep it will require? I can guarantee that not one criminal will register any assault-type weapon if they have it. The NY police department would have to hire clerks instead of cops which would utilize their already limited financial resources. Enforcing these provisions might prove difficult.

*The U.S. Supreme Court, in a widely known case (Haynes v. U.S., 1968), had determined that a felon who has a gun cannot be compelled to complete registration forms, because it violates the Fifth Amendment right against self incrimination. That's right, mandatory registration -- not in your case of course but in the case of a criminal -- is a self-indictment of a crime, and is therefore prohibited.

*The innocent would have to register to remain legal, the illegal possessor could not register without violating the right to not incriminate yourself.

* by Alan Korwin, Bloomfield Press, Scottsdale, AZ

It's just the beginning folks...... Wait till they come and grab your weapon???

“One man with a gun can control 100 without one. ... Make mass searches and hold executions for found arms.”

― Vladimir Ilyich Lenin..... <<<This guy had the right idea... right???

Robert what would you know being from a liberal state yourself out on the left coast.

Spot on Neil!

Hockey-1239804 wrote:

"Robert what would you know being from a liberal state yourself out on the left coast."

Just curious, in your mind did you actually think your post to be intelligent?

Do you think just limiting your rhetoric to casting juvenile insults is persuasive speech?

Are you over 12-years-old? If "yes", don't you think you should strive for some grownup rhetoric?

(PS. I apologise for using some three and four syllable words. That was thoughtless of me.)

What I would like to know is how do the citizens of new york feel about this or does it not matter what the majority wants there?

The majority of us do want it. Why assume otherwise?

We elected legislators who, unlike some of the tools in Congress, had the ability to work as a team & get a legislative proposal on gun control ready for voting in under a mo since Sandy Hook.

it said in the article properly stored. Just what would that be if you have to keep them in a safe or trigger lock by the time you got to the weapon it would most likely be to late.

I think if someone is paranoid enough to sleep w/ a loaded shotgun or rifle under the bed & a loaded handgun on the nightstand, they need a gun safe to protect the safety of others.

If they're so paranoid they think they're a constant target for home invasion & won't be able to get to their guns in the event of such an occurrence, then I suggest they also invest in steel doors within reinforced steel frames w/ half a dozen deadbolts to replace every exterior & interior door in their home. And an alarm system for all their barred windows.

Make it impossible for the criminal element to enter. Then they can get rid of their unsecured weaponry entirely.

How about the people in this city

New York is a STATE. It is not a city.

That would be a place called *New York City*.

This article is talking about New York State's Legislative Assembly.

tell ol cucomo

That's Governor Andrew Cuomo.

what they want not do what he wants. Its time for the people to show the pollys they work for us not we do as the pollys want.

They are working for us & doing what we want. That's why we elected them.

Robert in Oregon, I too live in Oregon. I'm in my 70's, have served my country protecting all of our rights including the right to bear arms. I have owned guns all my life & have never considered using them against another human. I don't believe that something as important as a ban on one of our rights should be decided by a congress that can't agree on anything. Leave up to a vote by the majority, that's what the constitution was framed by. Most of the people in Congress have armed guards protecting them or they have concealed weapons permits their selves & all of law enforcement will be exempt from the law even when off duty.

I live in Washington state. Another civilized state on the left coast. We have our right wing crazies here too but just not as many of them.

@the self-indentified puta - The Bill of Rights is something you don't understand.

"Those Who Sacrifice Liberty For Security will have nor Deserve either"

-Benjamin Franklin

what about hand guns, veterans who have post-traumatic stress?? being specific on specifications doesn't change the harm that can be done with any and all weapons or helping those with genuine mental health concerns, why does government continue to waste tax dollars on the wrong cause... the politicians will reap what they sow.

I am not replying to you Patriot, although I like your post.

To all of you that think this law is good; Many countries have taken guns from their citizens and slaughtered them afterward. Take Nazi Gemany, for example. They ruled that they are banning "assault" weapons. That means that you cannot have "assault" weapons in New York. I can only expect confiscation of AR's, and AK-style rifles. The law is illegal, and unconstitutional because it infringes on a law-abiding patriot to own firearms as your God-given right to defend yourself, and your family. Also, the supreme court ruled that the 2nd gives individuals the right to keep and bear arms. Do not comply in any way, or we will lose our freedoms.

Greyghost said:

To all of you that think this law is good; Many countries have taken guns from their citizens and slaughtered them afterward.

Yeah...you got that right.

New York: We can have only 16 ounces in our sodas (NYC), seven bullets in our guns, and get fracked in our g@$$holes.....We gotta lot of real geniuses in our legislature...barf.

Cuomo won't stand up firmly to the danger of fracking, which will poison our water; but we are "protected" from sodas and guns. AAAAAGH!

@Greyghost, you are so correct, people do not need to abide by this law because it is infringing on yoru right to bear arms. No where in the constitution does it say that you cannot own an assault weapon or magzines of a certain capacity. If you give in to this you lose all your freedoms. It's time the people in this country stand up and fight to save your freedom. If people would stand up, I bet all these people who think they can can just do to you what they wish will run with their tails between their legs, afterall they are just another man/woman made of skin and bones and they are dumbasses making fools of the American people. State or Federal levels do not have the right to impose any law when it comes to owning a gun. New Yorkers need to stand up for your rights, if you don't then obviously you have fallen into the communist world and you are not American.

Kanic said:

@Greyghost, you are so correct, people do not need to abide by this law because it is infringing on yoru right to bear arms. No where in the constitution does it say that you cannot own an assault weapon or magzines of a certain capacity.

Take a lesson from down south, sherrifs "Look the other way" if you see such constitutional infringements. There may be a time where even those who work for the local, state, or federal government like CIA, FBI, local cops, etc. should stand with the people. There may be coming a time when our government is ours no longer. They want to cut granny's medicare and social security, now take our guns....There will come a point when it will go too far. Be ready.

Hey Robert, you call Hockey a juvenile, but how juvenile is it to post the same thing in a thread over and over again. Are you trying to rile everyone up, or did you just not get enough attention the first time you posted.

You can gloat all you want, but a sensible man, which you consider yourself to be, shouldn't be so happy about losing rights.

If you think for one minute the politicians give a damn about those kids, or your safety for that matter, you are about as obtuse as they come.

All that they care about is getting rid of the one law on the books that keeps them in check.

Hmmm. It's probably just a coincidence but all of my guns already meet the requirements of this law. Cool! General George Patton was legal also. One of mine is a replica of one of his.

So, why is eveybody so upset?

anyone who gives up freedom for security deserves neither.

Well Cuomo you have protected Law Abiding Citizens from other Law Abiding Citizens... Now what do you do with the Criminals?!?!

Hey Jim S from Wa. state-

There is a few more right wing "crazies" than you think in this state, you just have to get outside your bubble in King county to figure that out, or look at the electoral map by county in Wa. good luck with your fantasy, and if by "right wing crazies" you mean people that recognize the Constitution and the 2nd ammendment, then yes I am one. What does that make you.....

And by the way to the rest of you clapping and cheering for this NewYork BS, wait a year, see how many homicides there are with firearms in this state. The numbers will not change, all it has done is restrict law abiding people from their rights. Period.

History has a sneaky way of repeating itself, time and time again- The people who wrote our Constitution recognized this- putting in safeguards to not let that happen, keep that in mind when you feel more and more freedoms slipping away. Where are you going to go....Mexico?