Not sure why something like this is even in the news. Guess the media will spin anything. At least it is a peaceful game, just paper targets compared to the violence of that video games kids play today.

This article is nothing but pathetic spin. Target shooting isn't the problem. It is the violence in video games.....shooting other people, not targets that the NRA was criticizing. I would think anyone with average intelligence would be able to figure that out. I guess that was too much for the author though.

The NRA is just a name for Gun Manufactures lobbyists. When they wont even agree that background checks need to be done for all gun purchases you realize that there is no negotiating with them. They dont care how deranged some people that buy guns are, they just care about selling guns period.

Yeah, right, gun violence has nothing to do with guns.

Duh.

An NRA written bill to waive ALL background checks almost passed in Michigan legislature in the morning of December 14th Newtown attack. It did not pass though. But a bill to allow guns in daycare centers, schools and college dorms did pass, but the Gov, under public pressure did NOT sign.

Really, who is against background checks? Those who would profit from it. Disgusting!

I think it needs to be pointed out (because the article didn't) that the NRA had this in the pipeline before the Newtown shootings and did not have control over the specific release date. Plus the ratings system is something designed by Apple and as it has no violent content it is rated 4+. The way this is being portrayed, i.e. that the NRA intentionally released this a month after to appeal to first graders is sensationalism and untrue.

Also the NRA has objected to video games with gore and violence against people in them, so this is not a hypocritical move.

What a bunch of two faced as$holes. I am a gamer and a parent. There are games that I will not buy for my 12yo son, even though his friends have free access to it. I do not think he is mature enough for some violent video games or movies. That is call parenting. Just as guns do not kill people, then video games does not, if you follow their logic. The issue is not really gun rights, but whether or not there should be semi-automatic weapons available to the public on a whole. Until we can discuss assault weapons on their own merits without the NRA or anyone else wrapping it into the same category as hand guns, hunting rifles, etc. Then the conversation will never be constructive.

The NRA loves to blame anything other than themselves. The reason is simple they represent gun manufacturers, its all about sales, baby!

The NRA did not sponsor a bill to repeal background checks in Michigan, it's a Federal law, that comment doesn't make sense. The NRA designed the NICS background check system, originally the Brady Bill was going to be a five day waiting period for handguns only (no background check necessarily required). The NRA lobbied for the bill to be changed to include mandatory background checks on all guns being sold by licensed dealers, including rifles and shotguns. So there was an interim provision for five years before NICS went into effect in 1998.

The NRA currently opposes background checks on private transfers, however bear in mind interstate private transfers are already illegal anyway. The logic the NRA uses is that it would be too impractical to do it, e.g. you lend your shotgun to your hunting partner, does there have to be a background check?

Personally I support background checks on private transfers, but the NRA is in a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" situation on it.

And you have to recognize that regulating private transfers is quite hard, how it would work in Wyoming or Alaska would have to be different from say, Florida or Georgia, as there are so few licensed dealers about to perform the transfers.

jahmekan,

Let's discuss assault weapons. What would you like to know about them? According to NY's new bill my pump action 12 gauge will now be considered banned because it has a pistol grip which they consider a long gun with a pistol grip is an assault weapon.

Just weeks after the National Rifle Association forcefully blamed violent video games for gun violence, the gun-rights organization has released a new shooter game for kids as young as four.

They term to use is "Hypocrites".

Hmmmm........ shooting at TARGETS is the same as shooting at PEOPLE...... not hardly MSNBC......

Huge difference in video games that promote violence & the game NRA has released......

Steve, I wouldn't say there is a huge difference. The object of both is to hit the target and (essentially) destroy it. The only difference is the target, not the objective.

That's absolutely right. Video games are not the problem. If they were the problem, one would think that more people would have violent tendencies. The fact of the matter is, something like 97% of kids play video games and a vast majority of those kids do not turn out to be mass murderers. Video games are simply a scapegoat, blamed only because people are too ignorant to see the real problems which are easy access to guns, lack of an effective mental health care system, and a for profit prison system that has a vested interest in allowing criminals back onto the streets without any real rehabilitation.

You are describing a society that is in trouble...disturbed.....and no longer deserves the most liberal gun laws in the world!

Side note: The NRA needs to issue this game to raise funds...contrary to their public assertions, their membership level has fallen below 2 million "living" members. Their 3 million claim includes members who would be over age 90 and 100 and older....

The NRA has no interest in public safety...that's not how they make money!

Finally....the US Corporate Monopoly media is covering gun violence in this country.....this needs to be front page material every day until the people on the right finally wake up.

Let's see what a Bushmaster does to a human subject.....it's time to take the gloves off and get graphic! If all these people of the gun culture spent just one night at urban city Hospital ER they'd freak out....they'd probably pass out on the floor from all the blood and guts from GUNS!

I think part of the argument is that years (and those years being the formative years) of playing violent video games makes a child more tolerant of guns and violence, more willing to accept and want guns into their lives, be it for recreational use or carrying out violent acts. On a conspiracy theory sort of note, maybe the powers that be want this sort of "grooming", if you will, of youth to keep the military going.

There is no evidence that the growth of video games has caused increased violence.

From 1995-2011 the rate of violent Crimes has decreased without fail per 100,000 people as shown by the US Bureau of Justice

It should be noted that video games have became significantly more mainstream during that time.

It is far more likely that the current mental health services are lacking in the U.S which result in these kinds of disasters.

People accept the easy answer and not necessarily the correct one.

Yes, Throw Away. You're absolutely correct. A society whose generation created and lived in such a violent society as the society of the '70s and '80s is in absolutely no moral standing to tell today's young people, the least criminally inclined in at least a half century, what to play and what not to play.

common sense 1. 17

sure it is, as long as you ignore those pesky facts, and of course use no common sense.

Sum 1.20

blind hysteria presented to the uninformed ignorant mass's is the problem.

The killing of school children is a very emotional issue, but the statistics show that mass killings are only a tiny portion of the total of murders in the US every year. By far, handguns are used for murder more than any other method.

While I personally disagree with the NRA's interpretation of the second ammendment, there is no chance of rewriting it. The focus must therefore be on reducing the motivations for murder. Profitability of gangs is the easiest area to target.

So here it is. If America is a free country, people should be allowed to make their own informed decisions about what to put in their bodies. Make Drugs legal and tax them. Hundreds of billions are wasted every year in the never ending, ever expanding drug war. A tiny fraction of that money would be enough to treat the cronic drug users that get into trouble.

As was seen after prohibition was aboloshed, profitibility of gangs dropped, the murder rate dropped and membership in gangs dropped.

The drug inforcement industry has no motivation to end the drug war. From the sherriffs, to the Private prisons, their livelyhood and profit relies on the ever expanding war on drugs and the imprisonment of casual users.

I'm not even a casual user of drugs. But it is easy to see that this is a relitively painless way to reduce murder and crime in general. It also could, with the savings from enforcement, and revenue from consumption taxes, balance the budget.

Perspective:

Since 1949, 150,000 more Americans have been murdered than have died in combat in all the wars America has ever been involved in.

From January 1 1949 until now, just over 1 million Americans have been murdered.

Yes I counted at the bureau of statistics site.

Let that sink in. A Million Murdered.

Something has to change.

The NRA should try helping the situation instead of being primarily concerned with the Gun Manufacturer's profit.

sum

your right in one aspect, drugs are NOT the problem...drug dealers are.

RI mom.

HOPE you never are a crime victim, or you may have to CHANGE your mind and go FORWARD with your thought process

Steven1

Also the NRA has objected to video games with gore and violence against people in them, so this is not a hypocritical move.

I have to agree with you. So long as they are using targets and not people it's not hypocritical. It is however insensitive and stupid to release the game this soon after the shooting. What is hypocritical is their stand that they are the voices of responsible gun ownership and then refusing to back full background checks. It's not about responsibility, it's about money.

I'm the last person to defend the NRA, but there's a hell of a difference between shooting targets that float up out of the ground (which is what the picture depicts) than wasting a crowd of baddies in a spray of blood and guts in a video game (yeah!).

That said, my personal opinion is violent video games can have a dangerous effect on people who are prone to mental instability. Trouble is, we don't know who these people are until it's too late.

go2goal - You even got the membership number wrong. Currently, membership is at 4.3 million, not 2.

And your comment about the urban city hospital? Everyone wants to stop that, except the criminals. That's mostly all gang banger violence. How do you keep guns out of their hands, or keep them from getting them without infringing legal gun owners rights? The firearms blackmarket is one of the two highest sources of guns for criminals, the other being from friends/family. The gunshow is the lowest source of guns.

Jeff,

The fact of the matter is, something like 97% of kids play video games and a vast majority of those kids do not turn out to be mass murderers. Video games are simply a scapegoat, blamed only because people are too ignorant to see the real problems which are easy access to guns, lack of an effective mental health care system, and a for profit prison system that has a vested interest in allowing criminals back onto the streets without any real rehabilitation

99.99% of all gun owners will never shoot another human. Less than 1% of all firearms will ever be used in a crime. The gun and the rights of lawful gun owners are simply a scapegoat, blamed only because people are too ignorant to see the real problems which are bad people will do bad things regardless of their access to firearms. 306,000,000 firearms in this country and a total of 10,129 were murdered with guns. There could have been multiple murders with the same weapon so at a minimum the rate of deaths per firearm is 0.000033%. On the other hand roughly 1,500,000 people used a firearm in self-defense. that equates to 0.004%. As you can see the legal self-defensives uses of a firearm far outweigh the number of illegal murders. Also, Assault rifles are lumped into the same category as hunting rifles and sniper rifles on the FBI UCR. in 2011 Rifles account for 453 deaths. Also, the number of deaths annually has been declining every year for the last 10 years and gun ownership has skyrocketted. Why is that?

"It is unfortunate that this Administration continues to insist on pushing failed solutions to our nation's most pressing problems," the NRA said in a statement. "We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen."

First sentence; only criticism, no alternative solution suggested.

Second sentence; I know of no one blaming law-abiding gun owners for anything.

I hadn't previously realized these guys to be such hard-liners. Reminds me of the rhetoric of several other organizations in this country with non-negotiable agenda's.

Ol Doc,

You do know that the NRA created the NICS background check system right? You do know that they support background checks right? Currently the background check system checks criminal and mental records.

It's reported there are over 300million guns in America, and 4.3million members of NRA. They must all be on this board. How can an organization so small, have such a following with only 4.7 million members?

SDN,

I guess you forgot about the Newspaper publishing an interactive map of all the gun owners in a certain part of NY. I guess you forget that everyday we lawful gun owners are being demonized just like Obama and all the other Dems demonized the rich. We are viewed a gun nuts or people with needing an extension to their manhood. Actually, most all of us have them for hunting and self-defense purposes. Some of us just like to collect them for their historical significance.

There is only one solution to our problems. Start attacking the ones that use firearms in illegal manners. Impose mandatory 20 years for illegal possession of a firearm in the commission of a crime. Mandatory life if a firearm is at all used in a crime regardless of the offenders age.

yeah everybody in the world plays video games

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_firearm-related_death_rate

japan leading the united states in game play

So why are we closer to Mexico and not japan

The NRA criticized gratuitous violence in video games. Reasonable people recognize the difference between target practice and violence, right?

No Lou they don't. The millions of uneducated odumbo voters can't see the difference between a paper bull's eye and a human being.

dawg: Actually, I never mentioned a single issue to which you took offense.

We have a real dilemma here that won't be solved by your myopic hysteria.

People like you that hate everyone that you perceive in your hysteria to be an anti-gun nut.

I am a gun owner. I support a rational interpretation of the Second Amendment - as well as the Constitution in its entirety. My gun is in a safe when I'm not at home. I've never felt the need to carry a gun. Statistics tell me it is more dangerous to carry a gun, than to be unarmed.

More gun sales results in:

More guns in the hands of responsible gun owners.

More guns in the hands of irresponsible gun owners.

More guns in the hands of criminals and the mentally/socially deranged.

Take your best shot, and save the maps of New York and the extensions of manhood. Those are your concerns, not mine

what a calculated attempt to woo future generations into becoming gun nuts and brainwash them into thinking guns are for sports, not murder.

and over the weekend Hollywood was giving awards to the most violent movie of the season.

as if we needed more proof that the NRA doesn't give a flying @!$%# about the citizens of this country.

Oh, and those blaming "video games" for gun violence are 1st degree morons. Psychopaths are drawn to violent video games, the games do not create them.

I didn't have to read further than sentence one post one to reap this gem, "I support freedom of guns,"

I guess that's the rights god gave to guns which they are to receive immmediately upon installation of a firing pin - which is in contrast to the godlesss LIberals who believe that guns have rights only upon claiming their first human victim.

I think that the toy guns young kids play with for "cops and robbers," and even including water pistols is a horrible thing. Kids should never think of a firearm as a toy, and at a young, impressionable age, the mindset that guns are quick solutions to problems is likely to be somewhat "wired" into their brains.

However, the violent gun video games don't help instill firearm responsibility with anyone. I think everyone would agree on that.

Hey, everybody! It's "bear" arms.

But I also support the right to "bare" arms, especially for attractive women, and it would be unconstitutional to ban halter tops! Magazines should not be limited to the number of halter-tops or bare arms they include in a single publication.

LMAO! First of all, I believe that stricter guns control must exist but the author of this article makes a ridiculous comparison to an app that has the user shoot at targets like one would do at a gun range verses Call of Duty series (and others like it) that has the user shooting at human like computer generated images. The app appears to not show blood and gore whereas many of the popular computer games do in fact show it and make a big deal out of it within the game itself.

Game engineers are tasked by their companies to create "realism" within the game. That "realism" wins them awards through various "geek" magazines, websites and gaming outlets like GameStop. The more awards equates to more units sold an ultimately more money to the company bottom line.

I for one grew up with guns and understand their use and their abuse. We have to do something about a huge problem, no doubt, but listening to the ideologues on both sides of the issue creates an environment in which bonifide solutions won't happen.

Shooting at targets isn't the problem. Shooting at people is!!! STOP THE SPIN PEOPLE!!!

Most of you don't know anything about guns and couldn't drag your'e azzez off of these newsvine stories long enough to watch one of these violent video games, so your'e really not qualified for anything except shootin a few chunks out at people who criticize you on newsvine!!!!! I'm willin to bet 50% of you are paid for writin on these newsvine stories!!!!! Especially you anti 2nd amendment liberals who spew all thier crap!!!!! I'm willing to bet you get paid by the letter!

I have seen NRA videos and there is nothing violent about them. This whole story is just a bunch of crap!!! How many of you just actually paid for the app. I did! I'm willin to bet none of you loudmouths did!!!!!!

vie05ua

The gunshow is the lowest source of guns.

I'd love to see the stats on that one. That really doesn't even make sense.

http://youtu.be/Wx9GxXYKx_8

msn you dumba$$ liberal bunch of garbage. they refered to violent video games, where there is killing human beings, not freaking paper targets. this writer is a dumb ignorant piece of crap like obama and the rest of the blind libtards that think guns can magically kill people.

"F" the NRA, come on libs. it is time for us to hear the call to arms! We won't stop until the NRA is extinct!!!!

tim: You get paid by the exclamation mark?

I realsize that name calling is unbecoming of a "republican" or a "conservative" or a "libertarian" or "tea partier" or a "Constitutionalist" but I must say this: anyone who thinks that shooting a piece of paper is the same thing as shooting a person in the head 20 times and watching blood spurt and spray out of their skull right before you go rape and rob a hooker and then beat her to death with a bat as you hold the next victim at gunpoint for his car and then do a drive-by-shooting as you drive off in his car is a completely dilusional idiot who obviously has a senseless agenda to push. Just goes to show how utterly stupid these liberals really are and how doomed our country is. Oh how I long for the good old days...begining of time- 1960 when people weren't braindead and were held accountable for their actions.

haggis,

You are wrong. Gangs are a terrorist orginization. More gun violence,crime and murders are done by them than all of the nut jobs combined. They recruit kids to join and begin a life of crime. To be srerious about reducing gun violence the gangs need to be declared a terrorist organization. These are the people that have made the choice to live a life of crime and not respect the rights of others. They should all be locked up and not released. To say any different is to avoid the biggest issue regarding gun violence.

Are these ideologically crippled morons attempting to equate this simple little target shooting app with violent video games that depict blood drenched shootings, explosions and dismemberments complete with all necessary gore?

Considering the source (nbc) I suppose they are.

Since the NRA is about responsible gun ownership, does this app also include a portion before and after "target practice" where the player must answer questions about proper safety and maintinence of weapons, proper storage and involves the player enter their "gun safe" to acquire their weapon? Does it involve a series of scenarios where the player must make proper choices regarding gun safety before they are allowed to continue with game play? ...Just wondering.

WORN OUT......wow, this brings our discussion to a totally different level........ how about mental health checks for posting comments?

This is further proof that we need to change campaign finance laws. The only reason that the NRA has any relevance is their ability to buy elections.

That would require actual work above and beyond hand-wringing, moaning and the occasional scathing blog post. I won't hold my breath.

I guess the next time I site my rifle in Ill just go to the town square and blast some craniums rather than go to the range and poke holes in a sheet of paper...ya know...since its the exact same thing and all...right liberals?

Violent video games desensitize the viewer to killing humans. I guess the leftist democrats dont understand the issue. Aiming and shooting at targets is not doing the same thing. Wake up and smell the roses, we're on to you.

From the article:

“Is this some kind of sick joke?” asked one user known as Papershipsonfire. “The NRA complains about violent games and then releases one a week later. Sure you’re not shooting humans but does it really matter?”

You're darn right it matters. Do you really think people should learn how to responsibly use a firearm by practicing on people. Dumb statement!

The NRA is a lobby designed to scare as many people as they can into buying weapons. Fortunately for them they have a huge pool of supporters willing be brainwashed with lies, misinformation, threats, and every other scare tactic they can come up with to keep the money flowing to weapons manufacturers.

The NRA is scum.

“Guns don’t kill people. Video games, the media and Obama’s budget kill people,” NRA Executive Vice President Wayne LaPierre said at a Dec. 21 press conference......

Obama's budget?

The NRA is not a gun rights group, it's just another right wing PAC.

Shanad,

No, but it does give facts about the organization. Like over the last 50 years, the NRA has trained more than 50,000 Law Enforcement Firearms Instructor and currently have over 11,000 instructors nation wide.

Shanad #1.57- No it does not, that's what your parents are for!! Oh wait nevermind, I forgot, Obama says that parents aren't responsible for parenting any more, thats up to the government to do...yes thats right, the government has taken your role as parent to your child; the government is now responsible for raising your child financialy, emotionally, physically, educationally, and in every other way possible. So have as many children as you want, even if you have no job, don't worry about paying for them the government will do that; don't worry about spending time with them, the government will figure something out, don't worry about teaching them morality and responsibility, the government has banned morals and is responsible for EVERYTHING, even for you. You are accountable for nothing so do whatever you please, whatever feels good to you just do it without regard to anything, the government will take the blame for any consequences and then make a law about it.

Shooting a gun at a paper target is NOT a simulated violent act. Using a video game to teach the responsible, safe way to handle a gun is NOT an act of gun violence. Shooting video game gun is NOT an act of violence. There are however games that shoot at cops, have massive gangland-style beat downs to barbecuing prostitutes with flamethrower, others use cat carcasses as silencers, hitting people with anthrax-laden cow heads and playing “fetch” with dogs using the severed heads of dismembered victims.

Yep, I can certainly see the hypocrisy with the NRA. <shakes head in disbelief> BTW, I don't belong to and never will join the NRA. But come on people, stop the hysteria over the NRA.

What was the gun type used in the Sandy Hook shooting?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ju_NllT1iDo

I work with disadvantaged youths and violent video games DO cause kids to snap. Some of these kids I work with have gotten more violent as they play these games. But I believe in freedom so they should not ban video games.

And sorry libbies. This NRA game is not violent. It's target practice for Christ's sake! LMFAO!! Only good ole, liberal MSNBC could demonize this game. LOL!

Violent video games are part of the problem, and so are lax and unenforced gun laws.

But, Warlord Wayne LaPierre will never admit the NRA's lust for money is the root of the problem.

Someone shoots and kills another. Guns fault? No. Persons fault.

Someone drinks themselves to death. Alcohol's fault? No. Persons fault.

Someone chokes to death on a steak. Steaks fault? No. Persons fault.

Someone drives crazy, runs over and kills pedestrian. Cars fault? No. Persons fault.

Haggisbingo blames the NRA for all gun related deaths. Guns fault? No. Persons fault.

Siverton (above me) blames the NRA for all gun related problems. NRA'a fault? No. Persons fault.

Bobby told a person to jump off a bridge "and he did". Bobby's fault? No. Persons fault.

I cut my finger with a knife and required 10 stitches. Knifes fault? No. My fault. ;-)

Wake up man. Can't you guys understand? Jeesh! Always gotta blame someone but never the person at fault. Never....

pay attention minions, notice that the app is TARGET PRACTICE, shooting at targets. The "violent" video games that the NRA is talking about are the ones where they are shooing people, bloody massacres and disgusting scenes of brutal death.

the app is a gun shooting at pop up targets, get real.

this is no different than going down to your local target range and getting in some fun, except for the fact that it is fake.

by the way, my 60 year old boss loves to go to the range every weekend and shoot with his AR group. he belongs to an AR club (yes the nasty assault rifles that everyone hates) and they have a great time competing and reloading ammo and spending time at the range. none of them do this to practice shooting at people, or to be violent in any way, it is a sport for fun. those of you who are not educated in this have no idea what you are talking about, and you have no comprehension of what people like my boss are doing.

now on the other hand, I do agree that most people should probably not possess guns. with all of these shootings and public violence, what do we do ?

do we disarm innocent people like my boss who have enjoyed shooting sports his whole life and all of his friends ?

I feel that it should be more difficult to obtain these weapons, but I'm not the expert who will decide how that happens, thank goodness. But for all of you nuts who can't differentiate gun violence from guns themselves, well I feel sorry for you, but it is not entirely your fault for feeling that way if you have lived a life where you are not around gun sports or hunting etc.

how many people here have ever went paint balling or anything like that, how is that any different ?

should paintball and airsoft be banned ?

maybe, I don't know. but you radicals are blowing smoke.

yea... its a "violent" video game because of the poor metal simulated targets... my IQ just dropped.. thanks NBC.. you morons. Everyone is now dumber having read this article. "I award you no points and my God have mercy on your soul"

So where is all the outrage over the game just released which allows you 2nd Amendment hating socialists to take head shots at the president of the NRA? You act like a target practice game is the end of the world while at the same time your fellow supporters get to put PaPierre in the cross hairs. Look it up before you respond as I really want to hear some informed responses as opposed to the typical guns are the problem responses.

Hypocrite is too nice of a work for your kind. Do a I say, not as I do is the motto of the left. Your use of writing DRAMA is deserving of an OSCAR from your Hollyweird friends.

If the constant bombardment of violent movies and video games doesn't have a lasting effect on our youth, then how is it that the advertising industry makes billions simply showing a product on a 30 second spot on TV or the radio?

Shooting a gun isn't violence. Shooting a gun at another person is violence (in real life or on a video) If you're anti-gun and you believe that just shooting a gun is a violent act, then no wonder you have no objectivity in this discussion.

Tacitus86

I support freedom of guns, but blaming the issue on video games is not the way to go. Video games are NOT the problem. Mental health and healthcare services ARE. As well as parenting in this country.

Ah no, those aren't the problems relating to gun violence in this country. Too many gun nuts with too many guns are the problems

My "inalienable right to life" came long before your right to bear arms. The 2nd amendment should not take away a right that was given to us, not after the constitution was amended, but on the day this country was founded!

Bombobo,

Hypocrite is right. When the jerk off from the NRA spoke last month, a week after the fact. Who did the jack ass blame? Video Games & Movies. So... when so said jack ass then has his team release a shooting game. Who the hell is the hypocrite? The money grubbing NRA & they couldn't give a damn about you & your guns. Just keep the money coming. D'oh!

How are all these highly rated comments being collapsed? Its because nbc disagrees with the viewpoint and it goes against their anti-gun agenda.

I have yet to hear a single gun fanatic take on this point: should grenades, rocket launchers, mines, and bio/chemical weapons be allowed by American citizens? I would love to run across an NRA idiot who would publicly state yes. Let's assume for one minute that we can agree that these weapons are a bad idea for public concumption. This, then, defines that there is a line to be drawn. The real question isn't whether we draw a line; It's where. And if the NRA anti-children cabal thinks that the right place is where it is now, or even looser, let's hear why? Any takers? At what point will enough Amricans have died for the profits of gun manufactureres for us to say, "That's enough!"? Who out there thinks that our guns are more important than our children?

G_Rock,

It's being done by the readers. It's a computer registered situation whereas when it reads enough "No Value" or "Infammatories, it automatically collapses them. You know, the exclamation point at the bottom right hand corner of each post.... (!)

@guy-2789881 and all his "Approvals", we need to get on the same terminology???

Guy Said: "The NRA is just a name for Gun Manufactures lobbyists. When they wont even agree that background checks need to be done for all gun purchases you realize that there is no negotiating with them. They dont care how deranged some people that buy guns are, they just care about selling guns period."

Do you ALL mean a Background check that I believe the NRA helped develop? Or do you mean Registration of all Firearms? I am confused...

AndresTM- Your in idot. Since we are talking about games I will limit my thoghts to the games. Being brought up in the 70's and 80's has nothing to do with it. I grew up in the 80's. I played video games. I Hunted. Hell as a kid I even shot my platic army men with my BB gun. The difference is, I was TAUGHT the difference between right and wrong. I was TAUGHT the VALUE of HUMAN LIFE. I own firearms today and have two sons. Everytime we go to the range it is an ABC of what and what not to do before they are even allowed to load their .22 rifles. This whole thing regarding games boils down to parenting skills. Parents today would rather sit their kids in front of HBO, MAX or an XBOX or PS3 instead of dealing with the kids issues they are having or dealing with at the end of the day. Parents need to raise the children they decided to have and not let technology do it for them.

It's a target practice game. Think of the game Duck Hunt for the old NES. Neither of these are violent in any way. Since I was a kid, I've enjoyed video games thoroughly - violent/graphic or not. I'm not a violent person as the result of said games.

That being said, it's not beyond the possibility that truly violent games can negatively influence certain people, particularly if they have a history of acute mental illness or disability that raises the risk of aggressive tendencies. But I think the real problem lies not with the content of the game itself, but instead the social atmosphere in online games today. This is worth looking into because as a gamer myself, I have observed a troubling lack of empathy that comes with anonymity. Trolling is rampant.

This NRA app is not a problem, but they should have known better than to release it at this time. Of course the media will be all over it.

its just a game, why not raise hell about all the murders,sex,and violence on TV, movies, and cable? seems to me these things need to be addressed too.

wow,long way to go! guy,link please and newsgirl,same.jamekan-what assault rifles are we wrapping w/hand and shotguns(those two items were used by lanza,not assault rifle found in car).jeff do you know what hypocrite means? and 1.13 who really has a stupid comment? refer to 1.11,and cult,really NO difference between paper and humans?go2goal-what can i say? how about going after those CRIMINALS in those urban ghettos who bring up the "gun" statistics?not an option huh? and ri mom-bitch to itunes for the rating NRA did NOTHING wrong! oldoc,these things have what we call "RELEASE DATES"that the manufacturer has little control of.SDN- they offer a plausable solution the idiot liberals say guards in schools DON'T WORK(tell that to obama who by the way has 11 ARMED GUARDS AT "HIS" KIDS SCHOOLS)AND yes SDN on your second point us 2nd amendment "folks" have KEPT YOUR FIRST FOR THE LAST 100 YRS!no need to say thank you though! and HAGGIS- mr ban ban ban,give us a REAL solution or you can go "YOU KNOW WHERE"! the peoples voice- YOU ARE RIGHT! makes me wonder if the gangs are supporting their local liberals-no? theo-obama has had NO BUDGET so strike that comment. adn last but not least,trust verify-THEY DON'T CARE IF IT WASN'T AN ASSAULT RIFLE,THEY WANT TO BAN,BAN,BAN as that NO BRAIN HAGGIS F@#K SAID! feel tired now that was a book!

I wonder if Warlord Wayne LaPierre, head of the NRA, was worried about shooting the enemy when he dodged the Vietnam War draft in 1969 and claimed he had a nervous disorder?

Or was he just worried about them shooting back?

He was worried you'd be waiting behind a tree with a 6 pack of rubbers.

So, he did the right thing.

Unless you've been in a coma for 10 years, in what world do you live that you say "one nut went crazy" ???? Only one? There's only been one shooting?

Don't forget Twinkies. Thank God we got those off the streets. :-/

onehorse, the NRA's stance was that blaming guns cause a nut goes crazy isn't justifiable. that's what i was refferring to. the fact that they say video games which have fake guns in them are more harmful than the actual guns that kill people is ridiculous.

Tim

If only the founding fathers had known... They would have added the right to bare (and eat) twinkies.

Times change people, when the Const. was written the very best you could do was a muzzle loading musket and you had to melt and shape your own bullets. They had no idea we would sink to killing each other with (here it comes) these weapons of mass destruction. Rifles and hand guns that can spew out over a round a second are not for sports hunters unless you are hunting people.

I hunt with a bolt action rifle. What I aim at I hit, and bring down with the first round. Seeing these DORKS out in the same woods I'm in with semi-automatics makes me sick.

1. Yes we CAN and DO blame GUNS.
2. After Australian BAN 1996 - NO MASS MURDERS since....
3. The NRA is a terrorist organization.

hagg I would gladly give up my right to a gun when, and only when, the government isn't led by a bunch of egomaniacs and they can assure me all the criminals do not have any guns.

But you go ahead and keep reading this PC, liberal propaganda from all the PC, liberal so called news stations and have another tall, cold drink of kool-aid.

I remember all those violent movies I use to go see at the movies house before TV. Tom Mix ,Popeye, Gene Audry,Hop-Along-Cassidy, the Three Stooges, John Wayne , The Road Runner, and hundreds of others too many to mention so they should have been banned also cause they were so violent.

The MRA members thinks "To hell with how many men, women and children is killed I want my guns They are too much fun to shoot at something with to give up having.

haggis - after Australia banned guns home invasions have become an epidemic. The gun ban did nothing to stop crime. Do you know how rare mass murders with guns are? Do you know any facts at all?

I sure am glad all these violent video games haven't turned me into a murdering lunatic. I haven't gotten past Spider Solitaire.

RI Mom...thanks for the temper tantrum...PA Dad

Haggis,

You are being unrealistic. Compare the population, population density, and total number of firearms Australia had to begin with. You're making a non-argument.

Every nut case thats been the killer in these shootings was from a LIBERAL FAMILY. Those families were democrats and believed in liberal ideals. Adam Lanza even had an Obama sticker on his car. Maybe we should just outlaw guns to liberals and democrats. That would protect us and our children from these seedy immoral nut bags.

I found this to be one of the most shocking pieces of evidence that Americans are being fooled about why they want our guns.

http://youtu.be/Wx9GxXYKx_8

We done need to secede, @Getmadstaymad, you and us are coneected at the a$$, brother. We need us a TeaPartyLand or some such $hitz. All the guns and kaos we like, no regs, YEEEHaww!!!!

dear tired of it: the constitution does not refer to hunting and if you want to use a bolt action rifle hunting more power to you but some prefer a semiauto rifle. if you do not like my using an ak47 to hunt deer then you best stay our of my part of the woods

this article is just another knee jerk reaction from the left wing communist liberals, nothing wrong with shooting trargets at least they are not shooting at cops, ho's and pimps

NVFart,

I hate when people chime in with crap facts. Your comment was baseless & pointless. Because in Australia people die from car accidents & cancer & snake bites. But not from home invasions, you twit!

Getstupidstaystupid,

You're an idiot!

Hagg- Try reading this before you spew any more of the nonsense you've been:

We are starting by targeting MASS MURDERS like the kindergarten massacre in Newton. You can't argue with ZERO mass murders since 1996 (the year of the Port Arthur Massacre Ban in Australia). ANYTHING we can do to prevent this from happening again is good....

New Zealand allows people to own AR-15s and they haven't had a mass murder since 1996. Canada also allows people to own AR-15s. 30 states in the US have not had a mass murder in over 30 years. So what is your point? Define a mass murder? Harper states a mass murder is anything where 4 or more people are killed. So if 3 people are killed it doesn't count as a mass murder to him. Do you honestly think that banning semi-automatics is going to put a significant dent in mass murders?

If you go by mass murders were there are 10 or more killed Europe has had more than of them and higher body counts than the US has had in the past 20 years.

The NRA game shoots at Targets. Not people like the violent video games mentioned. since when is it illegal to shoot targets? and Tim I too hunt with bolt action. but I don't expect everyone to be like me. and do you think an administration that would sacrifice a border patrol agent, and go in to contempt of congress would stop at assault weapons? Hunting is not the only gun sport out there. and comparison of Australia and London's gun laws is idiotic. they only compare Gun violence to ours because in all violent crimes they loose. criminals don't stop because the law says so. that's why they are criminals.

When is someone going to look at the fact that gun sales sky rocketed the first time President Obama was elected and then did it again when he was elected in November?

A base model AR was selling for about $850 6 months ago. Sellers are now asking $1800+ for the same gun. People attending gun shows are buying ammunition at such volumes that they require hand trucks to take the load to their cars in the parking lot.

I believe that the NRA is working in conjunction with the Obama administration in a scam to scare the heck out of the rednecks and racists in the country and profit HEAVILY from their delusions of being attacked by roving bands of criminals, Mexicans coming over the boarder, and/or government soldiers kicking down their doors to get their guns.

And you all are falling for it. You're shelling out thousands of dollars that you could be spending on your family for guns that you will never need. Wake up! The Doomsday Scenario is being pounded into your head by the very same people who are profiting from your crazy hoarding of guns and ammo.

Me, I'm taking my family on a cruise. The cost? Three ARs and 1,000 rounds of ammo that I won't stupidly buy because I'm afraid of my own shadow!

haggis - after Australia banned guns home invasions have become an epidemic. The gun ban did nothing to stop crime. Do you know how rare mass murders with guns are? Do you know any facts at all?

Here's some real facts for you: 30,000 Americans die due to gun violence every year.

Now here's some logic: You people, and especially the NRA keep telling us that we should just accept 30,000 deaths per year while the psychologists figure out how to predict the future. So why is it illogical to expect you to wait till we have managed to get all the guns out of the hands of criminals?

Beyond that, the whole "I can use my gun to defend my home" argument is seriously flawed. A gun in your home is as likely to be used against you as it is to be used by you. You might have some nice fantasy of being some superhuman who always knows where and when to shoot and never making a mistake, but real life doesn't work that way.

Hagg,

Why don't you just reach around, grab a big ole bunch of panties, and "YANK" 'em outta there.

You're all bark and no bite. Blah, blah, blah. You want something done about it?! Then get off your ass, drive down to the NRA and state your case. Blowing smoke on this vine will do nothing.

Byron,

30k due to guns violence?! Are you sure about that?! You may want to double check those figures...

Every nut case thats been the killer in these shootings was from a LIBERAL FAMILY. Those families were democrats and believed in liberal ideals. Adam Lanza even had an Obama sticker on his car. Maybe we should just outlaw guns to liberals and democrats.

It's funny how many of these mass murderers end up as liberals after they are dead. The shooter of the Sikhs in Wisconsin was actually a neo-Nazi when he was alive. Jared Loughner was certainly no liberal. But apparently, they changed their political positions after they died.

That would protect us and our children from these seedy immoral nut bags.

We "seedy immoral nut bags" are the ones who are actually working to preserve your freedoms. Your guns are as dangerous as toothpicks to a President who controls the most massive nuclear arsenal in the world. Your guns do not preserve your freedom or save you from tyranny. What preserves you from encroaching tyranny is liberal opposition to laws that allow the state intrusion into your privacy, extraordinary renditions and, in general, our protests and vigilance against an imperial presidency. Your little guns are nothing.

Awesome, BIG JEFF!!!! Me and my family hope to see you on the cruise! Peace.

Whoa now... calm down people, everything is going to be ok. I used to hate Obama just like the rest of you. But i walked into my local gun store yesterday, i wanted to buy the new FNX .45 tactical pistol, and wow... the gun store was empty.. maybe 10 guns out of the usual 300 or so...

I asked the guy, are you guys moving or going out of business or something? He said no, guns are going out as SOON as they come in. You gunaphobes blame the NRA for all the guns on the streets, but I am thinking it was Obama's secret plan to hint at taking away all guns so that we'd all run and get them while they last.

So NOW, i think Obama finally earned that Nobel peace prize he got oh so long ago... Yay for Obama!!

Only problem i have now is I still can't buy a new gun due to more demand then supply ... i know i know boo hoo.

Anyways gunaphobes, you voted him in, you are responsible for the HUGE influx of guns being sold, sit back and enjoy as all your hard work backfires.

So our little guns are nothing eh? Try telling that to the Syrian freedom fighters that are about to throw out the old dictatorship with nothing much more than many, many little rifles.

Komrade Li Sun,

Greetings comrades. Our dear leader Xi Jinping of the Peoples Republic of China has sent President Obama his condolences on the Newtown massacre and heartily endorses an all out ban of all firearms in the U.S. immediately by executive action.

To achieve the same Utopian society in America that we now enjoy in China this can only be achieved by first outlawing all private ownership of firearms. Only then can the U.S. government then implement new laws that will result in a more ordered State.

After the gun confiscation the U.S. should, like China implement strict guidelines for the news media which should be required to work closely with the governments rules of media conduct and content.

All public meetings and gatherings should be first cleared with local party officials.

Re-election of the president should not be limited to only 8 years as the vast experience of a president should not be waisted by term limits. Our dear leader should have the right to be re-elected indefinitely.

It should be recalled that it was the American Communist party that brought such glorious social change such as Social Security, aide to education, and the new glorious National Health Care System. We, your Chinese brothers and Comrades stand by ready to help you implement the "New American Communist" Utopian Society of the 21st Century.

Gung Ho!

Screw Australia, and the horse they rode in on.

This is NOT Australia and we don't give a fat rat's A$$ how they do things there. They are all decedents of criminals anyway, so what if some have reformed.

The gun lobby is not responsible for all the new guns on the street, Obama is. Had he not started all his gun control crap millions of guns would still be in gun stores, instead of on the streets. Obama has no one to blame but himself for recklessly running his fat mouth.

All those people didn't buy the guns to protect themselves from wild game either. They bought them to protect themselves from the government. THAT is what the second amendment is all about, it sure isn't about hunting. There is not enough game in the entire US of A to warrant the sales of that many guns. And as I hear it, there is another million or so on back order.

Looks like they got it right in "Runaway Jury".

"Laws that forbid the carrying of arms only disarm those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes. Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man." -Thomas Jefferson

This anti-gun hysteria is getting totally ridiculous. Target shooting is considered violent now? When they mentioned violent games they meant games where you kill people/other players. Any pvp (player versus player) game is more violent then that, whether you use guns or not.

And haggisbingo, of course you ignore the statistics you don't like, you do know you can get killed without being a victim of mass shooting right? I guess its acceptable to burn people instead? (Childers Palace Fire in 2000 - intentional fire which killed 15 people), its also acceptable if only one or 2 people get killed at a time?

The Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent).

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.

Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.

Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

The sad reality is that most women, and many men, are defenseless if faced with a violent criminal, and a gun is their best self-defense weapon, at least it gives them a chance of surviving the attack.

The killing of school children is a very emotional issue, but the statistics show that mass killings are only a tiny portion of the total of murders in the US every year. By far, handguns are used for murder more than any other method.

While I personally disagree with the NRA's interpretation of the second ammendment, there is no chance of rewriting it. The focus must therefore be on reducing the motivations for murder. Profitability of gangs is the easiest area to target.

So here it is. If America is a free country, people should be allowed to make their own informed decisions about what to put in their bodies. Make Drugs legal and tax them. Hundreds of billions are wasted every year in the never ending, ever expanding drug war. A tiny fraction of that money would be enough to treat the cronic drug users that get into trouble.

As was seen after prohibition was aboloshed, profitibility of gangs dropped, the murder rate dropped and membership in gangs dropped.

The drug inforcement industry has no motivation to end the drug war. From the sherriffs, to the Private prisons, their livelyhood and profit relies on the ever expanding war on drugs and the imprisonment of casual users.

I'm not even a casual user of drugs. But it is easy to see that this is a relitively painless way to reduce murder and crime in general. It also could, with the savings from enforcement, and revenue from consumption taxes, balance the budget.

Perspective:

Since 1949, 150,000 more Americans have been murdered than have died in combat in all the wars America has ever been involved in.

From January 1 1949 until now, just over 1 million Americans have been murdered.

Yes I counted at the bureau of statistics site.

Let that sink in. A Million Murdered.

Something has to change.

The NRA should try helping the situation instead of being primarily concerned with the Gun Manufacturer's profit.

Liberal: Why do you need a gun like an AR-15?

Conservative: Its not about 'need'. It is my second ammendment right to own such a rifle.

Liberal: But 'assault weapons' arent necessary for hunting.

Conservative: First of all, its NOT an 'assault weapon.' And secondly , the second amendment isnt about hunting; it is about defending liberty from tyranny.

Liberal: So you're worried that a tyrant is going to take away your guns and liberty?

Conservative: No, actually im not....because we have the SECOND AMENDMENT

Thanks for making this an issue lefties. I DL it and have it now. It's a fun game but it has a few glitches when you switch between ranges. But, all in all it's a fun game and I will encourage my kids to get it since it is FREE.

Support the NRA. They do a great job educating people how to handle guns to reduce accidents keeping our children safe.

The skull of an NRA member and or constituents, is three feet thick, there's no way to reason with them, they don't feel pity or pain, no matter how many slaughters occur..we will keep the fight on as well no matter what kind of bogus argument they stir up..Get rid of the war style weapons in our society..I am not a libby or teabag just a hard working American

mysterious stranger 1

"what a calculated attempt to woo future generations into becoming gun nuts and brainwash them into thinking guns are for sports, not murder."

Wow...wouldn't THAT be an awful development....

My dad once tried to explain the difference in ideology between conservatives and liberals. He said "Conservatives believe in personal responsibility, in being in control of their own destiny, while Liberals are always blaming outside forces and circumstances for making their lives the way they are, that they are somehow at the mercy of things beyond their control".

And, to a certain extent, I agree with this logic. However, hearing the Cons scream that guns aren't responsible for the tragic deaths and woundings in movie theaters, schools, shopping malls, etc., but that it's the media, the entertainment industry (tv, movies as well as video games and music) promoting and glorifying violence that's the culprit!! What happened to personal responsibility? What happened to being responsible for one's own actions? Movies, music cd's, video games....all have very strict ratings on them, along with laws that restrict the purchase of these more "adult"-themed items, being almost impossible to purchase LEGALLY by minors!

Here's what I see. I see moms and dads, both cons and libs alike, who don't want to take responsibility to make sure their kids are not seeing, hearing or playing what they are not supposed to see, hear or play. Instead, they take their whiny brats to the store, plunk down money to buy all manner of violent entertainment because "that's what he/she wants". I think it's the height of hypocrisy to blame games like Grand Theft Auto for gun violence, when your very own kids are at home right now, playing the damn game.

You wanna ban violence in the entertainment industry, better be willing to outlaw those little green army men in the toy stores, the rubber balls used to play dodge ball, just about every cable channel there is (except Oprah's channel, of course....all the others will be replaced by The Waltons Channel and Little House on the Prairie Channel)....and for God's sake, gotta ban professional wrestling and MMA from the airwaves! John Wayne movies? Gone! Clint Eastwood westerns? Outlaw 'em!! Yep, all of those things are responsible for some lunatic, who waltzed into his mom's arms stash, loaded up with enough ammo to take on the U.S. Army, and went to a school and savagely killed far more people than if he had gone their with a knife, or a sword, or a baseball bat.

And what's the NRA's answer to cutting down violence? Yep....more violence! And, hey, if that armed guard happens to "accidentally" shoot people other than the armed intruder...oh well....at least I get to legally keep my 58 pistols and 14 rifles/shotguns! Give me another Pabst Blue Ribbon, barkeep!

@RI Mom - To Start, can you show me where the targets are coffin shaped in the provided picture, Did you even look before going into another tirade? Have you played the game in the closet while no one was looking as to find coffin shapes?

Some of My thoughts, I am Pro Gun for Non Psycho's for those that haven't read any of my few replies (My own thought here are NOT to be associated WITH ANYONE Else)

1. The Police will protect you, Hmmm - Not to step on my police friends toe's but. check out Warren v. District of Columbia, it is about multiple failures of the system, three women accosted (Raped, Beaten, forced sexual acts for a finer point) for I believe 14 hours after a call to a dispatcher and police presumably doing a drive by LOOK and one cop even knocking on the door? There are many more of these stories but not a lot of info on the people protecting themselves with firearms and making it out alive. Hmm.

2. Make ALL firearms disappear - Go ahead and sprinkle the magic fairy dust so ALL firearms just disappear over night and the crooks wont have an edge! Who has the magic dust!? (Crickets) chirp chirp chirp Anyone? chirp chirp... we seem to be out of dust.

3. Okay ban And Destroy ALL of Mooo's legally owned and registered firearms - the crooks will still be armed and can just walk the streets instead of wasting gas on drive-bys, I'll bet it sounds good for them with the current gas prices.

4. More Laws - Its kind of funny that the law that allows placing of an No Firearms Allowed sticker on a door will keep me from carrying inside but the sticker doesn't stop a bad guy and somehow seems Attract Them? Maybe a No Mentally Deranged sticker on the door will stop them?

Wonder if RI Mom will read to the bottom???

There are a lot of cattle ranchers and other food producers who own and use AR-15s on a daily basis, whether it be for predator control, popping prairie dogs, or killing feral hogs. They're defending their livelihood, ask them about its use.

Violent video games and movies are a factor, just as lax and unenforced gun laws are a factor.

But, Warlord Wayne LaPierre will never admit the NRA's lust for money is the biggest factor of all.

For 22 years Wayne LaPierre, ever a devoted lobbyist for the National Rifle Association, has taken views so extreme that President George H.W. Bush resigned his NRA membership after the NRA head called the feds 'jackbooted government thugs.'

Warlord Wayne pockets a cool million dollars a year plus benefits from all those NRA card-carrying members. No wonder he blames all the gun homicides on video games.

LOL

Still telling your neighbor what he or she needs based on what you want?

Because you think it makes sense, right?

If your dog gets out of the yard do you put your kids on a leash?

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1. Yes we CAN and DO blame GUNS.
2. After Australian BAN 1996 - NO MASS MURDERS since....
3. The NRA is a terrorist organization.

Haggis, saggis. Listen to the truth and it will set you free.

1) Violent crime in Australia us UP 400% SINCE THEIR GUN BAN.

2) The only reason there have been no mass murders in Australia is that the ones involved in disarming Australia see no more need to commit them.

3) When mass murders are committed by bomb, poison, fire, illegal wars, what do you blame then?

4) Your only interest is to disarm America. Your hidden agenda is to weaken America so that a new government will take over, that new government is A One World Government that will be headed up by none other than the putrid United Nations. No more rights, nothing but slavery. Good luck selling that to America.

Recently read that Warlord Wayne LaPierre, CEO of the National Rifle Association - did not serve in the military (apparently pulled lottery #97 in 1969 as a campus radical at SUNY-Albany, but weaseled out by getting a family doctor to claim he had a nervous disorder).

Seems he would have liked to have gotten in on some of that action in 'Nam.

Does a nervous disorder count as mental illness? Does that mean Warlord Wayne cannot legally buy a weapon?

Devil's Advocate

And what's the NRA's answer to cutting down violence? Yep....more violence! And, hey, if that armed guard happens to "accidentally" shoot people other than the armed intruder...oh well....at least I get to legally keep my 58 pistols and 14 rifles/shotguns! Give me another Pabst Blue Ribbon, barkeep!

Oh for God's sake, go live in a bubble, you should be totally safe there. You actually think a target shooting game is violent? Do you ever go to the bank? they usually have armed guards there, you must be scared to death every time? In general there is more deaths due to car accidents then guns, surely you don't use a car do you? Maybe we should disarm police officers too? they do shoot people accidentally sometimes.

YES accidents happen all the time, with every object you can think of. And I would rather get shot accidentally by someone who would stop a person from killing 30 other people, then see these 30 people get killed by the murderer.

Recently read that Obama didn't server in the military, apparently didn't care enough about America to serve. Does being a coward and a hypocrite count as a mental illness? The problem isn't guns, the problem is a society that is falling apart. Drugs (legal and illegal), video games, television and a country without a moral compass or anyone to provide guidance to how one should live is the problem.

Warlord Wayne of the NRA says that the reasons those children and teachers were killed were because of violent video games and people who have mental illness, not because the killer's mother had five military assault weapons in their home.

But, wait ... the Warlord was diagnosed with a nervous disorder that kept him from serving in Viet Nam ... does that make him mentally ill?

Realist,

When President Obama graduated from high school in 1979, there was not a war going on. The Vietnam War ended in 1973 as I recall.

Wayne LaPierre was eligible for the Vietnam Draft.

War or no war Obama didn't serve! The fact is that the access to weapons isn't the problem. People don't see a semi-automatic rifle and decide that they need to go kill, they decide to kill, then find a weapon. Why do they decide to kill is the question and the answer to gun violence. What prescription drugs were these people taking? I don't know the answer, but nobody is looking at the issue either. If the semi-auto rifle isn't available, do you actually think that the mass murderer will give up? knives, cars, gasoline, machetes and any number of things can be used for killing, do we ban them all? Or do we actually look for answers to the problem?

There was no need for President Obama to serve in the military. He was going to college and there was not a war going on then.

He was not a draft-dodger, but apparently Wayne LaPierre was.

Just seems ironic that someone who heads up the NRA and is all about protecting our country, weaseled out of serving in Vietnam when so many other thousands of men and women were.

-Anna-...

I'm curious, why does one need more than one gun to protect one's self and one's property? Especially, when most gun owners (at least the responsible ones) go to sanctioned target ranges on a regular basis to make sure they can hit whatever target they need to in the fewest shots necessary. What's the absolute need to own 10, 20 or more guns, or have enough ammo at any one time to arm a whole militia (ahh....I may have answered my own question)? Because the 2nd Amendment says you can?

May I ask, if someone were to break into your house, and steal your guns, your ammo....and then uses your gun and your ammo to kill a store owner during a robbery....would you feel the least bit guilty about not locking away your arsenal? It's not like an automobile, where most people can't secure them away safe enough, and automobiles are an absolute necessity (so don't even go there with "they can steal your car and kill someone with it").

Also, if I was caught in the middle of a firefight between an armed guard and an assailant armed with a gun, I'd be thinking I'm dead no matter who kills me. But, say the assailant comes in with a knife, or a sword....who needs a freaking armed guard to take this guy down? Two people from opposite sides tackle him at the same time....crisis averted! I get a gash on my shoulder? I'll wear the scar proudly, because at least I'm still alive! And you won't have scores of young kids lying dead or dying with no fewer that 15 holes in their tiny bodies!!! Chew on that awhile -Anna-!

nvart-HAGS a liberal with NO TRUE IDEAS,whatcha gonna do huh? he forgets that the 2nd amend. protects OUR 1RST! and target newtown? you do know he had two "handguns and a shotgun" there hags,DON'T YOU? how is banning a weapon that is only used in 1% or crime going to CHANGE ANYTHING? how about those PESKY GANGS, that contribute about 70% of gun violence? reality is THAT WOULD HELP MORE THEN A BAN! but you skew reality to your liking don't you? ANNA- you can't talk logical to illogical people,just be THANKFUL HAGS IS AFRAID OF THEM SCARY GUNS,cause he's ADAM LANZA in the flesh! HONORABLE ONE- right on,and it worked! SILVERTON- no need to say anything as you never make a viable argument.

Sounds like you need some anger management or perhaps you just have a nervous disorder like Warlord Wayne.

Hope you don't have access to any weapons either. We are lobbying to make sure those of you with mental illness cannot buy or own guns.

That's what you guys in the NRA wanted, right?

Devil's Advocate-784471

-Anna-...

I'm curious, why does one need more than one gun to protect one's self and one's property? Especially, when most gun owners (at least the responsible ones) go to sanctioned target ranges on a regular basis to make sure they can hit whatever target they need to in the fewest shots necessary. What's the absolute need to own 10, 20 or more guns, or have enough ammo at any one time to arm a whole militia (ahh....I may have answered my own question)? Because the 2nd Amendment says you can?

There is no "absolute need" to own 10, 20, or more guns, anymore then there is a need to own 10, 20, or more knives, dresses, or pants. And yes you answered your own question to a point, as if we were ever invaded (as we have been during WW2, and as other countries have been) it would be a very good thing if many citizens were armed and able to participate in the defense of the country. But most people simply enjoy target shooting, collecting, or hunting, and they have different guns for different target practice or hunt.

May I ask, if someone were to break into your house, and steal your guns, your ammo....and then uses your gun and your ammo to kill a store owner during a robbery....would you feel the least bit guilty about not locking away your arsenal? It's not like an automobile, where most people can't secure them away safe enough, and automobiles are an absolute necessity (so don't even go there with "they can steal your car and kill someone with it").

Automobiles are not an "absolute necessity" either, ask New Yorkers. Secondly, most people who have an "arsenal" keep most of their weapons in a gun safe, except the ones they are using at any moment, for safety, but also because they don't want their guns stolen any more then you do. Thirdly, the ones who should feel bad right now are the stupid news media who published a map of all licensed gun owners, as someone broke into a man's house (which was on that map) recently and went straight for his gun safe, luckily they were unable to open it, and left.

Also, if I was caught in the middle of a firefight between an armed guard and an assailant armed with a gun, I'd be thinking I'm dead no matter who kills me. But, say the assailant comes in with a knife, or a sword....who needs a freaking armed guard to take this guy down? Two people from opposite sides tackle him at the same time....crisis averted! I get a gash on my shoulder? I'll wear the scar proudly, because at least I'm still alive! And you won't have scores of young kids lying dead or dying with no fewer that 15 holes in their tiny bodies!!! Chew on that awhile -Anna-!

And I'm sorry you would feel that way about a gun fight between a guard and a criminal, I'd be thinking "I'm glad there is an armed guard here and I hope he will be able to take the criminal down" and "let's get on the floor and let the guard do his job". And you seem to think it is so easy to disarm someone with a knife. You may be right if the assailant is armed with a small knife, but its not so easy if the knife is bigger, or if it is a blade like a machete, it is also not so easy if it is one-on-one. Look up the Strathfield massacre for example (in Australia), the man killed 7 people with a knife, and injured 6 others. And for a woman, and I would say probably most men as well, it would be difficult to get the upper hand on a violent criminal, even if he wasn't armed. Breaking news: most men are much stronger then most women.

You also ignore, as most anti-gun people, the thousands of people who were able to protect themselves with a gun. You see what the news medias want you to see, you rarely hear about all these people, including many children, who would have been either dead or hurt, had they not owned a gun. You also ignore the fact that 2 women tried to disarm the killer at Sandy Hook, and had these women been armed they probably would have been able to take him down. Thankfully there is 18 States where people understand that.

Have you heard of Judy, who was able to defend herself, her sister, and her sister-in-law, with a gun, after they had been violently attacked in a parking lot? Have you heard of the mother, in Fresno, California, who was carrying a gun, and was able to stop a man from kidnapping her child? Have you heard of the other mother, who was able to protect herself and her twins, with a gun, against an intruder? (you may have heard of this one because one of the known news medias published this story). Have you heard of Leda Smith, an elderly woman, who held an intruder at gun point while waiting for the police? Have you heard of the armed off-duty officer who shot a gunman down in a San Antonio, Texas, theatre, before he was able to hurt anyone? Have you heard of Kendra St.Clair, 12 year old girl, who used her parent's gun to shoot criminals who had broken into their house? These are just very few of the many cases of self-defense with guns, thousands of them every year (60,000+ according to the National Crime Victimization Survey, and 2 million+ according to most other surveys). It is people like you, but especially people who advocate banning guns completely (if they succeed in disarming honest citizens), who will be responsible for the death of law abiding citizens who will get murdered in the future, as because of people like you, they will not have the means to defend themselves anymore.

You believe in the myth that criminals will follow the laws and rules, but I am sorry to let you know that they don't, that they will still get any weapon they want, and that wishful thinking will not save you, nor anyone else, from a violent criminal.

And quick information about murders in Canada: Despite gun laws that are more severe then ours, there is many cities where their murder rate is higher then many of our States and Cities. Also this: Overall, stabbings accounted for 35 per cent of homicides, firearms for 27 per cent, beatings for 22 per cent and strangulation for seven per cent. My point is, it doesn't matter what the murderer used to kill you, you're still dead.

I wonder if we were invaded, if Warlord Wayne LaPierre would lead the charge or would he plead that his nervous disorder prevented him from serving?

Cars kill. Perhaps we should restrict how many cars a family can own?

Of course. As long as there are no background checks, people will always find a way to mass-kill others. That goes without saying.

Just another way to divert the ignorant mass from a failed administration and their spend baby spend solutions.

IA.ScooterTramp

Just another way to divert the ignorant mass from a failed administration and their spend baby spend solutions.

Keep beating that dead horse. The last election said we don't believe you; we don't trust you. Time to move on.

doc, catch yesterdays speech? more of the same spend baby spend, and if obama doesn't get his blank check its those "obstructionist's " fault. Burying your head in the sand, increasing the debt and doing the same thing over isn't a "solution" no matter how you spin it.

AndresTM and alan_static, I disagree with that. You're overestimating the intelligence and ability of a person who commits a mass shooting. They use a gun because it's an extension of themselves; they don't have to touch any of the victims.

And James Holmes aside, most likely wouldn't know how to build a bomb, or create an agent like anthrax or something similar. You think Lanza would have succeeded in killing 26 people that day with a knife, a baseball bat or a lead pipe?

Guns are the tools of killing because they're the easiest to use.

IA.ScooterTramp

doc, catch yesterdays speech? more of the same spend baby spend, and if obama doesn't get his blank check its those "obstructionist's " fault. Burying your head in the sand, increasing the debt and doing the same thing over isn't a "solution" no matter how you spin it.

OK, let's see if we can actually wade through the crap.

FY 2012 Discretionary Spending:

Just over a third of spending, or $1.319 trillion, went toward Discretionary programs. This is significantly lower than in prior years, when around 40% of the budget was discretionary. That's important, because that's the only portion of the budget that the President and Congress can negotiate each year.

Does that sound like Obama is on a spending spree? By the way, perhaps you should dig your head out of a dark place. Increasing the debt ceiling is not the same as increasing the debt. Increasing the debt ceiling allows us to pay debt we have already incurred...get it? It allows us to pay our bills. By not increasing the ceiling, our credit rating drops and we pay more in interest on the national debt. You would have us amputate our foot for an ingrown toe nail.

And this is why we don't believe you or trust you.

Those killers are usually highly intelligent and I have personally known several that was a genius in my day and they were all mental cases.

More guns like the NRA says are lijke the AAA would come out and say more cars would lower the car accidents.

After shooting at a paper target they get bored and go after a live target which would be more fun to shoot at.

haggisbingo-2225582= poster child for stupidity

Ol_Doc----

I wish I could be like you. By that I mean having the ability to IGNORE the facts. "Increasing the debt ceiling is not the same as increasing the debt." Thanks for the laugh. If there is no increase in the debt then there's no need to raise the ceiling. Obama, according to your logic, doesn't need the ceiling raised. Why have a press conference?

I wish I could be like you. By that I mean having the ability to IGNORE the facts. "Increasing the debt ceiling is not the same as increasing the debt." Thanks for the laugh. If there is no increase in the debt then there's no need to raise the ceiling.

Actually, he's right. The actual debt is increased when money needs to be borrowed to pay for bills that have already been incurred. The money is already spent. Basically, Congress authorizes spending, knowing there won't be enough revenue to cover it all and it will therefore increase the debt, but it doesn't increase the debt ceiling until after the bills come in. It would be like buying something with a credit card and only then asking the bank to increase your credit limit.

Logically, Congress should raise the debt ceiling when they're authorizing spending, not the other way around - which is what the House tried to do in 2011 and will probably try again soon. What happened the last time was Congressmen talked openly about defaulting on the existing debt (which is part of the spending that has already been committed), and that caused the U.S. Credit Rating downgrade. If that happens again, rates on existing debt will probably go up along with payments on them, deficits will go up and the economy will go into a tailspin again.

haggisbingo-2225582 = poster child for spamming children

you plaster your hate over every message board you can find, and spread slander and opinion based nonsense to everyone who disagrees with you.

Which, by the way, is VERY Un-Dude like.

You should change your avatar to the south end of a north-bound horse.

Clayton, are you out of your god damned mind?

"After shooting at a paper target they get bored and go after a live target which would be more fun to shoot at." are you assuming this because that is something you would do?

its like saying, after swinging a bat at a baseball all day baseball players will get bored and go out and swing at people's heads with the bats because they are more fun to swing at.

Or is it just a "gun" in ANYONES hands that posseses the person, whispering in thier ears day and night... you must use me to shoot innocent people...

And @ onehorsetown. Look up how to make a pipe bomb. you can find the directions and get the ingredients legally from you local walmart. Doesnt take genious to google stuff. People that want to kill people will find a way. Look at all the idiots in prison, making weapon out of ANYTHING they can get thier hands on... are they all super smart? Hardly, but they find ways to kill each other.

You say "guns don't kill people, it is the bad people who kill people".....then how about "its not the Nuclear Bonb that kills people it's thebad people who kill people", then I assume it is ok to give Iran the nuclear bomb. Right? sure let every drunkin US 21 yer old registered citizen who has a license have access to a automatic with many magazines because it is his right to have it. Why do you feel so inferior, weak and insecure without that metal piece in your shaky hand? Must be afraid of your shadow and that is ok but don't give me that other stupid logic that "my founding fathers , inaliabe rights, militia forming crap that makes you raise the flag and you haven't voted in years nor know the names of the Congressmen and representatives in your district.

no body is saying give automatic weapons to everyone????? Automatic weapons have been heavily regulated since 1937 I believe. The author of this story is an absolute dumb phuck!!!!!!! There is no comparison with the games they said shouldnt be around and the one they came out with. I say if you dont like our constiution then move away and have less rights dont tell me what I can and cant do as a law abiding citizen.

i have a great idea to solve the problem of people killing people with guns. since more laws are the obvious solution to most of you, why don't we just make killing people illegal. oh wait, it is. how can that be, if laws stop bad people from hurting each other then why hasn't it worked all this time?

OBAMA: Mexico's Puta

Nice avatar vato, por seguro diga la verdad.

Honorable1,

For claiming to be honorable, you sure don't sound like it with your profanity and vulgarity.

Ought to change your name at least.

This is like comparing Grand Theft Auto to Angry Birds, get real.

Ok silverton. Tell me, what does honor have to do with being PC?

Maybe you should think before you write about things... Look up the definition of honor and tell me where it says "is polite to other people, doesnt use profanity, makes sure not to offend anyone."

You know what? i am a nice guy, let me help you.

noun

1.
honesty, fairness, or integrity in one's beliefs and actions: a man of honor.

2.
a source of credit or distinction: to be an honor to one's family.

3.
high respect, as for worth, merit, or rank: to be held in honor.

4.
such respect manifested: a memorial in honor of the dead.

5.
high public esteem; fame; glory: He has earned his position of honor.

Honor is standing by what a person believes. In my case I fought for what i believe by joining the military.

Honor is respect (for those that DESERVE respect)

Honor is being the best father and husband a man can be (obviously if your a woman, the best wife and mother)

Honor is not about everyone holding hands and singing Kumbaya, its not this imaginary PC world you've created where everyone is a winner and noone tells you you're not because it will hurt your feelings.

You obviously dont know the first thing about honor, so why to you shut your pie hole and just go away.

See, you just violated the Code of Honor on the Vine, too.

Shame on you.

Kman V-Twin

Ol_Doc----

I wish I could be like you. By that I mean having the ability to IGNORE the facts. "Increasing the debt ceiling is not the same as increasing the debt." Thanks for the laugh. If there is no increase in the debt then there's no need to raise the ceiling. Obama, according to your logic, doesn't need the ceiling raised. Why have a press conference?

You know what genius, people like you are exactly why your party is not in the White House. We borrow as we need it to pay for programs Congress already enacted. Here is an article that might help if you will put the teabag down and take the time to read.

Yeah, you are missing something. The NRA app shoots targets. Not people like GTA, Halo, and all the other violent video games available to children. There is a big difference between legally shooting targets and the simulation of murdering people.

yes, the NRA is that clueless. But they have reason to be. That they have gotten away with it for so long, and have successfully permeated their message so well, what reason would they have to stop doing what they are doing. The REAL question is: When will we do something about it?

Come on guys. We are being too tough on the NRA. They really showed their compassion, sensitivity and integrity by releasing this game. What's wrong with having your kids shooting at little coffins? Sure, the coffins only resemble a person slightly. They have little red spots where the heart and brain would be, but the coffins don't spew guts. Plus, they were entirely helpless about the timing. I mean, how the heck are you supposed to call the itunes store to stop the games release? It's probably impossible.

Keep the faith sensible people. Join Demand a Plan. Consider sending them $25 which is the equivalent of an NRA membership fee. Most of all, make sure you know who represents you in Congress and let them know cowering to the bullies is no longer accepted.

It's inanimate targets dumba$$

they are not real people, they are video targets. eye roll right back at ya. I play 1st person shooters. I have shot at Nazis and soldiers from almost every conflict the US has had, even the Civil War. I have even played games that you shoot at aliens and space mutants. Guess what? It has not made me want to go shoot people. Nor do I wish to kill real aliens.

There blame of video games was ill conceived at best. A KNEE JERK REACTION that backfired on them.

Over 30,000 people are killed using a firearm every year in the U.S.

How many people are killed using a video game?

Thats a pretty big as$ you're pulling that pretty big number out of.

hey steve, how dare you say wikipedia's got a big ass!

Of the 30,470 firearm-related deaths in the United States in 2010, 19,392 (63.6%) were suicide deaths, and 11,078 (36.4%) homicide deaths.^[8]

^{http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States}

A shooting app where you are at a range shooting a virtual paper targets is HARDLY a violent video game.
Compared to Call of Duty Modern Warfare where the objective is to kill your opponents has a magnitude of violence in it compared to being at a virtual range.
I would argue being at a virtual range or physical range is not violent at all. It is a controlled environment and you follow the rules of the range.
Being in combat personally, I would opt to be at a range any day; no one is shooting back at you.

don't they use human shaped silhouette's at gun ranges inspired? some even have faces on them. never having been in combat personally i know i'd rather play call of duty, the pixel bullets don't hurt. pretty sure that's why you can easily get hundreds of millions of kids to play call of duty vs sign up for the military. cause they know IT'S JUST A GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rather than arguing about what is or is not a violent videogame, why don't we stop scapegoating videogames?

R. Scalzo

There blame of video games was ill conceived at best. A KNEE JERK REACTION that backfired on them.

Oh hell no, this was well thought out and codified over years of gun control threats. Deflect attention and responsibility to an area we don't have a significant investment. This is all about money.

You're right, HATR_HURTER-

Because killing paper targets (silhouettes or bullseyes) is the same thing as killing people...
No argument; they are BOTH just a game. I remember the days of early Nintendo and the PC game DOOM where there were extremely pixelated red splurts to signify blood and people were saying it was too violent. But the reporter is trying to distort the app that the NRA released and trying to make it like their app is a violent video game. If I were to put it in the same category as MW3 COD would be a laughing joke. Unless there is some secret code I have to put in that changes the targets into radical Islamic extremists, I just don't see the NRA app as a violent video game.

Tired of Insanity, for the record I was being facetious, hence the eye roll, I just said everything you did without having to use as many words.

I personally don't play video games but my husband is an avid gamer, he's all about COD and the like, his reasoning is the same as someone above said, him being military, the video games don't shoot back.

I don't like him playing them sometimes but not because they're "violent" but because of the people he plays against who cheat (hacking the game and spawn killing or whatever) that's just because he yells at the screen and it drives me nuts.

Call of Duty is actually the same thing, except that the 'targets' are other players (whether real people through multiplayer mode or bots via the mission mode). I play CoD: Black Ops II regularly and I am fairly good. I never have the urge to kill anyone in real life. I also don't own guns.

Oh, and to dispel a few further stereotypes of gamers, I happen to be a happily married 40-yo woman with a few college degrees, I own my own home, I have a very successful career, two dogs, a great network of friends and family, etc.

LaDolce- you don't happen to live in Texas do you? I would love to send my husband over to your house to play, the constant slamming of the mouse and the yelling at the screen makes me crazy lol

There is a rather poetic name for these industries - Dogs of War. Lot of money in making products designed to kill. Lot of money in making products designed to cure. They've made their choices. Ever read Alfred Nobel's biography?

Really FluffyBunny, you and your kind are so ignorant and frothing at the mouth to dismantling the 2nd amendment to get your way, then I'm all for dismantling the 1st, 4th and 5th amendments, it sure would make my job a lot easier. Tamper with one, others will soon fall.

Just a quick STFU

Hey. Look up the meaning of "relevant". It's meaning is not yet in your grasp. NRA membership has exploded by 100K members since Sandy Hook. You slipped on the slope and fell into the BS pile.

vik, look up reading comprehension. then get someone to explain what it means to you.

Well said

Unlike an automobile, you don't need a license, insurance, or even a background check to get a firearm. Last time I checked, nobody was advocating for loosening traffic laws or auto safety regulations.

You want to keep comparing guns to cars? Fine, but you have to license, insure and regulate guns in the same way first or it is not a valid comparison.

Cameron I agree with you whole heartly but even go further than that >

Once a gun comes off the assembly line the VIN number is recorded and sent to the FBI., and a Title is issued and is passed to each and every one that the gun goes to just like a car title and a new license has to be bought every year just like a car. Also liability insurance bought just like a car. PS: I do own a handgun myself !!

Ford. The 2nd amendment is a right. You don't need a license to exercise a right. As for background checks the NRA promoted and got instant background checks passed in Florida, even at gun shows. If you don't have a concealed weapons permit there is a 3 day wait. Why not promote a National Concealed Weapon permit? Permit holders undergo a back ground check, this way the presentation of the permit should be all that is needed. Post a current list of revoked permits to insure it is still valid.

Clayton -

Wasn't aware that firearms have VEHICLE Identification Numbers (VIN).

You don't even have to take drivers training and that's why there are so many accidents and lawsuits!!!! Why the hell should gun owners have to have background checks or anything else. How many auto deaths are there because unqualified people drive!!!! They sure as hell aren't doing anything about drunk drivers. Most of us figured after we got the kennedy's out of office they would of passed more stringent drunk driving laws. Guess theres still too many politicians who are drunks!!!!!!!!

I'll never give up my guns just for the simple fact that politicians keep taking our rights away. Look what they did with the patriot act, homeland security and the TSA. All bullsh!t and bigger gov't that politicians came up with so they would have more power against the people!!!!!! For those of you too blind to see what's happening good luck with your'e future when a cop can just walk into your'e house because he wants too!!!!! It's happening in some states now because of liberal azz hole judges!!!!!!!! But thats what you people vote for, isn't it!!!!! DUMBAZZEZ'S!!!!!!!!!

tim: Did you read your post? Get a grip man - or you'll forever be at the kid's table.

You don't even have to take drivers training and that's why there are so many accidents and lawsuits!!!! Why the hell should gun owners have to have background checks or anything else. How many auto deaths are there because unqualified people drive!!!! They sure as hell aren't doing anything about drunk drivers

A great deal has been done about drunk drivers and auto safety overall in the past forty years, whether it's the 29 states who require driver's ed, or the national regulations requiring safety belts and airbags, raising the drinking age from 18 to 21, and a myriad of other regulations effecting automobile operators. The result has been a decrease in the rate of automobile fatalities in excess of 60% over the past forty years.

Actually you are NOT required to have insurrance or a license to own/drive a automobile. You only need those IF you drive on public roads. Similarly you DO need a license IF you carry it in public. In both cases nothing is needed if it stays at home.

-You do have to legally register or license your gun

-You do have a background check upon purchasing a firearm

-You can insure it if you would like to. Talk to your local insurance salesman and he will hook you up.

you people obviously are not gun owners

Actually, it depends on what state you live in, which is a big part of the problem with guns.

I will say marketing a game to 4 yr olds is pretty off base. It violates the NRA's own curriculum about kids and guns.

But it's Apple's rating system not the NRA's.

PARENTS have to make the decision about whether they want their kids to have the game. The rating is simply to let parents know that there is no actual violence in the game--no violence against pretend people or zombies or whatever.

Shooting targets is not violent. If parents object to guns at all, then it's their call about whether or not their kids can play.

I'm not an NRA fan by any means, but there's a huge difference between a violent video game and a target shooting game. As a parent, I'd object to NRA propaganda coming with the game, but the game itself looks benign.

Mark-423819

I will say marketing a game to 4 yr olds is pretty off base. It violates the NRA's own curriculum about kids and guns.

Clearly you are not old enough to remember when cigarette companies began marketing to teens and pre-teens.

Ol-Doc... I do... I remember lucky-strikes candy.... it sucked.

Point is... there's nothing inherently wrong about target shooting.

Mark-423819

Ol-Doc... I do... I remember lucky-strikes candy.... it sucked.

Point is... there's nothing inherently wrong about target shooting.

There's nothing inherently wrong with candy either...it's how it's presented and why. For under a dollar more, a four year old can fire an AK-47 instead of a 30 cal. deer rifle.

Automatic weapons are highly regulated to point it's all but impossible to acquire them. They require an intensive background check beyond what you need for other gun purchases and cost tens of thousands of dollars. No automatic weapons were used in any of the infamous mass shootings. Automatic weapons that do find their way into street crime originate from other countries and that's more of a customs/border control issue than a gun control issue.

The truth is 99.9% of all weapons invented are illegal to privately own, FOR GOOD REASON.

Modern weaponry can kill thousands or millions. Its obvious there needs to be some controls because there will always be a kook out there that will actually use a weapon if given one.

So let's limit the killing capability, I don't want the general public to have .50 caliber sniper rifles, machine guns and hand grenades. Far too tempting for the rambo types out there, especially after they've had a few beers.

Machineguns were prohibited in 1986. The NRA supported the Federal law that contained the prohibition, which is one reason why more extremist organizations exist.

There are still people about who own them because the existing guns were grandfathered.

Where does it say, "American persons need to pass mc_callen's litmus test in order to own a firearm of your choosing." I don't remember seeing that in the amendment. Here's the deal, it is my right to own whatever gun I want, and that doesn't involve some internet neckbeard's opinion on it, or some flavor of the day political bs topic, it is my right, period.

That's whats great about there being so many countries in the world, if you don't like this one and its rules, you can always get out. Maybe you should get around to doing that. Take biden with you.

Mr Orwell

How about learning about what "well regulated" means before you talk about it. Additionally, how about learning about what automatic weapons are and how few actually exist in the states. You deserve no voice in this discussion until you learn what you are talking about. Stop with the emotional knee-jerk response and learn facts before demanding action. Idiot.

As a retired Army NCO who has acted as a Range Safety NCO often, I believe I deserve a voice in this discussion, don't you? Mr. Mc_callen makes a valid point. As ratified by the States and authenticated by Thomas Jefferson, Secretary of State:

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

So I guess the question is, who has the right and responsibility to "regulate the militia"? The Individual States, the Federal Government, the NRA, the Taliban? ...who?

While in 2008 and 2010 the SCOTUS ruled that individuals have the right to posses firearms without militia affiliation, clearly the Founders felt all "able-bodied men" were by default, members of the state's militia. Perhaps it's time to determine once and for all 1. What is a valid militia and 2. Who regulates it. That should identify the authority who determines weapon and ammunition standards.

Actually Steve it's not your "right" to own any gun you want. It's your right to own what's legal. Nothing more.

Well done doc: Interesting how some of us are so adamant about "no regulations whatsoever in my cold dead fingers" on certain 'rights', right after extreme regulations on functions of someone else's internal organs. Is objectivity dying a slow, but certain, death? What I want is the only concern - the rest of it just pisses me off.

steve: I've just bought a surplus Abrams M1A1 and the house next door to yours. The only way to fit the Abrams in my backyard is to point the 120mm M256 smoothbore at your house.

The Second Amendment says I have a Right to Bear Arms. This is "arms". I don't need some internet neckbeard's opinion on it.

I'm with you. " it is my right to own whatever gun I want," Mine happens to be a 120mm smoothbore. No, I'm no more interested in negotiating this issue than you are. Taking this to the extreme? The Second Amendment says what it says - live with it, or live elsewhere.

Ol_Doc -

A) Thanks for your service.

"...it's time to determine once and for all 1. What is a valid militia and 2. Who regulates it. That should identify the authority who determines weapon and ammunition standards."

B) This is probably a discussion for another time, but my understanding of the old-timey phrase "well regulated" is that it is similar to sighting regulation; it might be better phrased as "proficient," or "practiced," and it does not imply an entity of authority, a formal organization, nor punitive ability.

If that's the meaning of the obtuse verbiage of the Second Amendment, then the intent seems to have been to encourage citizens' competance through common availabilty and use of arms. Maybe it is a little more free-form than a question of "who regulates it."

The issue of a "well regulated" militia was argued long ago. The main body of the Constitution, try reading it sometime, says that the states must train the militia to the regulations enacted by Congress. The militia is defined (in 10USC ch13) as every male citizen over the age of 17 and up through the age of 45, with certain exceptions and additions. Been to you required militia training lately?

Christopher,
Maybe you should have read your own source, there is the organized and unorganized arms of said militia.

Christopher Cole-2915768 wrote;

"Been to you required militia training lately?"

Sure have! Have you?

If not here's a link to help you find one near you. Enjoy!

http://www.constitution.org/mil/link2mil.htm

Rick, fyi, the general public cannot have the items you listed below:

So let's limit the killing capability, I don't want the general public to have .50 caliber sniper rifles, machine guns and hand grenades. Far too tempting for the rambo types out there, especially after they've had a few beers.

So are the NRA's targets 5 year olds?

Mc_callen wrote;

And the NRA has yet to issue any statement about exactly why "we the people" need automatic weapons with high capacity clips. Show me, oh wealthy and vocal NRA, exactly where in the 2nd amendment it says that the people shall have the right to possess and discharge automatic weapons with 50+ round capacity?

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

Seems to me that (1) regulating automatic weapons and clip capacity falls well within "regulated Militia" and (2) if you feel you must fire an automatic weapon, please go join the "regulated Militia" - we call that the National Guard.

Nice try but that's incorrect. The constitution was written long before the National Guard was established. (National Guard=January 21, 1903. Bill of Rights, in effect December 15 1791) Nowhere in the 2nd amendment or the constitution for that matter does it in any way say, or imply, until such time as the National Guard is formed..., when the government has a better idea, or when Mc_callen feels he knows better than the founding fathers or ignorantly thinks the National Guard was established to replace the militias. (Of course you'll be showing us a document wont you?) BTW The National Guard is run by the Federal Government, meaning that, it can and will be used against ''YOU''. (See Slaughter at Kent University.) Try You tube as well, they may have a video of it for you.

Militia:

If you look up militia, (USDOJ) you will find that it includes ALL able bodied men, both military/ organized, and non military/ UNORGANIZED, including from the citizenry from 17 up. (Women too) .

The Second Amendment

There is no confusion as to its meaning as you imply. It means what it has always meant.
Well regulated means well supplied and trained. Obviously, you've never heard of the term "regulations" when used in reference to the daily ration of beans, coffee and salted pork that each soldier/ volunteer was to be allotted per day in accordance with army "regulations". When the "UNORGANIZED" militia is called into service, the federal government is required by "REGULATION" to feed, arm, clothe and train them. Hence the term, "well regulated".

Show me, oh wealthy and vocal NRA, exactly where in the 2nd amendment it says that the people shall have the right to possess and discharge automatic weapons with 50+ round capacity?

They don't have to! It's up to you to show us where it doesn't!!

Ok "Rick Cain" Its nice to know what you dont want "other people" to have. I dont want fat people to have anymore cheeseburgers either. But who gives a flying rats @$$.

"So let's limit the killing capability, I don't want the general public to have .50 caliber sniper rifles, machine guns and hand grenades. Far too tempting for the rambo types out there, especially after they've had a few beers."

Its too bad you are going to be very disappointed. After i get my FNX .45 tactical (/w 15 round clip) My next purchase is going to be a .50 cal Barret. I am interested to hear how many .50 cal rifles have been used in crimes in the U.S.A. Last i heard it was 0.. but its nice you want to take those away "just in case" one day it might hurt someone.

And worrying about grenades is folly when a person can make a pipe bomb out of legal igredients found at your local Walmart.

And lastly i love how you insinuate that people that would have such weapons are tempted to do something bad with them. Like most of us normal citizens are just a hair away from snapping and tossing said grenade into a crowd.

But hey, you take away cheesy burgers from the fatties and i wont buy that Barret .50

Beezup

This is probably a discussion for another time, but my understanding of the old-timey phrase "well regulated" is that it is similar to sighting regulation; it might be better phrased as "proficient," or "practiced," and it does not imply an entity of authority, a formal organization, nor punitive ability.

Without organization, an armed group is NOT a militia...it's a mob. Do you suppose that's what the founders had in mind?

Rick, fyi, the general public cannot have the items you listed below:

So let's limit the killing capability, I don't want the general public to have .50 caliber sniper rifles, machine guns and hand grenades. Far too tempting for the rambo types out there, especially after they've had a few beers.

Actually, you can procure .50 caliber sniper rifles and 40mm grenades. Machines guns are banned but those that have pre-ban full auto AR-15s hold onto those weapons as an investment; for what they bought for less than $1000 back before 1986, those things sell for about $20k each nowadays...You CAN purchase a Barrett .50 cal sniper rifle...If you have the cash. You can purchase a grenade launcher and purchase 40mm grenades...If you have the cash.

Those that legally procure those weapons are NOT 'rambo types' as Rick labeled them. They are wealthy, educated, law-abiding citizens that have expendable income that can afford these items.

It is a documented fact that in cities and states where strict gun laws are in place, the majority of gun crimes are committed using guns that came from other states, where the laws are more lax.

Don't forget to include that in your conclusion.

uh tim,

interstate transportation of firearms is a felony, ( backed by the NRA i may add.) But ...golly gosh... those rascally criminals just wont pay attention to the rules.

or do you believe those "guns" you mention in your highly suspicious "documented fact" just walked there?

if you go by gun death per capita the numbers overwhelmingly show that the more lax laws states rank the worst.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/01/11/20-deadliest-gun-states-from-mississippi-to-arizona.html

here's the first ten

#1, Mississippi
Gun deaths per 100,000: 18.3
Permissive gun laws: 4th out of 50

#2, Arizona
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 1st out of 50

#3, Alaska
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 11th out of 50

#4, Arkansas
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15.1
Permissive gun laws: 7th out of 50

#5, Louisiana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 19.9
Permissive gun laws: 23rd out of 50

#6, New Mexico
Gun deaths per 100,000: 15
Permissive gun laws: 6th out of 50

#7, Alabama
Gun deaths per 100,000: 17.6
Permissive gun laws: 27th out of 50

#8, Nevada
Gun deaths per 100,000: 16.2
Permissive gun laws: 22nd out of 50

#9, Montana
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 10th out of 50

#10, Wyoming
Gun deaths per 100,000: 14.5
Permissive gun laws: 8th out of 50

Do you care where the gun that shoots you came from? The point is, live in tightly restricted state, where LAW ABIDING people cant get gun, and you are more likely to be a victim of one. Stop listening to that rich idiot Bloomberg.

vik,

Highest murder rate is in Louisiana with 11.2 per capita. (2011 data). The lowest is Hawaii with 1.2 per capita (2011 data). Louisiana has one of the most lax gun control policies. Hawaii is strict, but not the strictest. Your premise was flawed.

XD,

Stop listening to that rich idiot Bloomberg.

Sounds like class warfare!

Those stats are from the CDC and they include all death i.e. suicide and accidental so they do not reflect the true probabilty you would get murdered.

No gun control will ever work, how do I know that because live in a country WHERE NO ONE is suppose to have ANY GUN, but yet we still have gun crimes and murders day in and day out. Also the murders hasn't deceased, murders by guns yes, but overall NO. So you yanks better think twice before you act, because knee-jerk reactions have caused more problems than they fix.

Nice Texas not in the list and does allow concealed handguns at the college. Why is there no problems? Because people think twice knowing everyone else is armed. If sandy hook was not staged, (FEMA was on same road in a class 20 mile away about disaster involving children) and the teacher had a gun, any gun, semi-auto, pistol etc., then outcome would be very different. The fact that facebook donation pages created for the deceased up to 3 days before should alert people that something was out of sorts. And if the teacher did have to defend themselves and the children I hope they target practice often. Real life or app

Scooter,

interstate transportation of firearms is a felony

Yes, it is, but obviously unenforceable except after the fact. If the laws were the same across all states, it wouldn't be a problem, would it?

My source for the information above is David Hemenway, Ph.D., Harvard School of Public Health, in his book, "Private Guns, Public Health", Copyright 2006, University of Michigan Press.

Hatr-Hurter, I sincerely don't care where you get your facts but if you quoted FBI records I think you would find different figures. The State of Vermont in fact has the most non existent gun laws in the country and one of the lowest crime rates. Go figure??????????? Of late however, our local news is smattered with the occasional stabbings and robberies which until the last 3 or 4 years were very rare. Now there is an influx of drug and gang related activity in our state. Most of the perpetrators of these crimes are by and large urban refugees. They come from states that have very strict gun laws, and know what? most of their firepower is brought in with them!

Yes, it is, but obviously unenforceable except after the fact. If the laws were the same across all states, it wouldn't be a problem, would it?

Actually it is enforceable it is called border control. Washington DC can setup up check points at the entrances and exits to the District and conduct searches to confiscate such things. Every nation does it, well guess what states and cities can do the same thing.

tim: I find the reference that criminals will get and commit crimes with guns regardless of the laws refreshingly truthful.

Actually it is enforceable it is called border control. Washington DC can setup up check points at the entrances and exits to the District and conduct searches to confiscate such things. Every nation does it, well guess what states and cities can do the same thing.

That's just comical. checkpoints at state borders rather than inconveniencing gun owners. Right.

I find the reference that criminals will get and commit crimes with guns regardless of the laws refreshingly truthful.

Because criminals are so much smarter and more resourceful and clever than average people? And just American criminals, because everywhere else in the industrialized world this has not been the case? Is this your notion of American Exceptionalism: our Super-criminals? Because anyone with a brain who spends more than, oh, five seconds thinking about this preposterous idea can see it is simply specious. It only makes sense if you are predisposed to want it to make sense.

Frankly, I find the reference to be an empty platitude used by gun proponents to avoid the inconvenience of reasonable safety regulations on a lethal weapon.

Not all states have checkpoints, I know here in texas we don't because they're deemed unconstitutional.

You should congratulate him then for helping the economy.

Well he did say he would increase manufactureing and he has....once.

IA: "US manufacturing output has risen significantly since it hit rock bottom in 2009, with a 20 percent growth over the past three years." (George Washington University)

That's the best you can contribute? Name calling? Thanks for the well thought out, intelligent discourse.

engage lib mantra....

The NRA are idiots. After lambasting videogames, it would have been intelligent not to ever release any videogame. Even one about unicorns and puppies and rainbows.

IA: Engage 'lib' mantra.

Umm...didn't the article say that that there are no human targets. It's target practice right?

Every nut case thats been the killer in these shootings was from a LIBERAL FAMILY. Those families were democrats and believed in liberal ideals. Adam Lanza even had an Obama sticker on his car. Maybe we should just outlaw guns to liberals and democrats. That would protect us and our children from these seedy immoral nut bags.

My understanding from how the Apple approval process works is that they almost certainly submitted it prior to the Newtown shootings occuring, Apple also picks the release date.

This is long overdue. I've been saying for years they should have this as well as shooting ranges for thugs only. This way when they shoot other thugs all of them will die and no by-passers will be hurt. I'm tired of thugs shooting 20 other thugs in Chicago every week, but only 10 dying. They do need to hone their shooting skills.

No you can buy an automatic weapon if you get the Class III license and a tax stamp.

then why do they make targets like silhouettes vince?

like these

http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=AtxnUK.FnZGpVKeErwCvUMmbvZx4?fr=yfp-t-701-s&toggle=1&cop=mss&ei=UTF-8&p=shooting%20target%20silhouette

Another common target is a bowling pin. Because it is close to the body form.

@Hater..... It's called FOR SELF DEFENSE... You have a right to protect yourself, unless you are a libitard.

To use one of those targets, you need to be in the range.... otherwise kids will use crayons on them if you leave them around the house...

back: You sure it's the kids?

Yeah Rick, good luck getting a Class 3 License...

Your posts here alone would probably cause you to fail the background check for a Class 3.

Why don't you do some research and provide the number of Class 3s that exist for the edification of the rest of the posters here?

he cant do that middleman beccause first he has to understand the difference between semi, and automatic, and the term bushmaster, refers to only one manufacturer of ARs. now from what im reading all ARs are now (bushmasters) thats what the grossly misinformed are calling them . my mom always told, me son its best to let people think you are a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt. a quote from benjamin franklin i think.

or the dopers lobby perhaps?

Cigarette smoke bad....dope smoke good. Nice.

well, dope smoke doesn't give you cancer scooter. tobacco probably wouldn't if they didn't add in all the chemicals.

well, dope smoke doesn't give you cancer scooter. tobacco probably wouldn't if they didn't add in all the chemicals.

Yes it does. Smoke makes thousands of organic compounds, many of them carcinogens. You don't honestly believe the tobacco industry adds chemicals to cause cancer, which is damaging to their industry AND reduces the number of returning customers? It doesn't make sense. Use your head.

not sure if you're saying marijuana causes cancer or tobacco but

http://www.webmd.com/lung-cancer/news/20060523/pot-smoking-not-linked-to-lung-cancer

One always writes with the intelligence/objectivity of the readership in mind.

The same could be said about the public school system.

HATR,

Not to get too far off topic here, but look at the study. If you do both, you have an increased risk vs one or the other. That's a link. (I'd rather see the original scholarly article too.)

Also the NRA has objected to video games with gore and violence against people in them, so this is not a hypocritical move.

No, it's just a stupid move. Big surprise.

Release dates get delayed all the time. No doubt it was in the pipeline before the Newtown incident but they could have easily pushed the released date back or postponed it indefinitely. This only serves to fire up their opponents.

Having thought about it, one wonders whether someone at Apple did it on purpose to discredit them, but that sounds like too much of a conspiracy theory.

tim, what part of ;

Users don’t shoot live subjects in the app, but instead are given an M9 handgun and sent to target practice in three immersive shooting ranges.

are you haveing difficulty understanding?

IA,

It smacks of hypocrisy. Just like blaming the first amendment for all the ills committed with firearms.

Prag,
If the NRAput out a video of humans as targets, then that would be hipocrisy.

Big,

I speak English. Violence is easy to define in English. "Behavior involving physical force intended to hurt, damage, or kill someone or something."

Shooting a target damages it. This game is violent.

It's just a stupid attack on the NRA...see my post and don't waste your time here...they spread only lies. You won't find the truth here, just pure, unadulterated sh_t like this article!

Yet here you are CJ spewing your pure unadulterated BS.

Some people foam at the mouth as soon as they hear the word NRA. Target shooting on the range is pretty innocent. I don't see what there is complain about with this video.

Translation, all my fellow paranoid crazies, hurry and buy up as many guns as you can. Stockpile them in your fortified home then sit in the dark and wait in fear for the FEDS to come strip you of all your rights. LOL

Bravo CJ, spoken like a true paranoid kook that lives in constant fear.

Shellie so you resort to name calling? nice.

My assualt rifle is going to come in handy to stop that armored swat vehicle coming to take my gun , or maybe shoot down a drone thats aimed at my home. Over my dead body will they take my gun for I love my gun more than my family welfare or even my life f. That is the intelligence of what the gun idiots keep saying. Sounds like they couldn't pass a mental exam to even get a gun .

My assualt rifle is going to come in handy to stop that armored swat vehicle coming to take my gun , or maybe shoot down a drone thats aimed at my home. Over my dead body will they take my gun for I love my gun more than my family welfare or even my life f. That is the intelligence of what the gun idiots keep saying. Sounds like they couldn't pass a mental exam to even get a gun .

The anti-gun idiots come out in droves when their handlers rile them up with a tragedy.

But this too shall pass. One thing I can always count on about the anti-gun idiots, they have short memories. Oh, and Columbine happened during the Clinton gun ban, Einstein.

4 or 5 each year kill in avalanches just in UT. Should we outlaw skis?

What really started all of this is the lack of personal responsibility, because we now live in a--- If It Feels Good Do It Society. We took God out of everything, so Hey! -- it's only illegal if you get caught, so if we don't believe in a power greater than ourselves or at least Karma, this is what we get and all of the gun laws in the world won't change a thing.

Of course you realise that makes the kettle a racist.

and republican

Every nut case thats been the killer in these shootings was from a LIBERAL FAMILY. Those families were democrats and believed in liberal ideals. Adam Lanza even had an Obama sticker on his car. Maybe we should just outlaw guns to liberals and democrats. That would protect us and our children from all of these seedy immoral nut bags.

Getmad

you are spewing a bunch of crap, BS here in Texas. Lanza's mother was a radical right wingnut, Lanza drove someone else's car to Sandy Hook. Fox news must be reaching these days, they proved during the election they were a bunch of hacks. The FOX news reporting of the truth, "FACT", they say it all the time without backing it up with anything...

Lanza's mom was a ‘prepper’, a part of the survivalist movement which urges individuals to prepare for the breakdown of society by training with weapons and hoarding food and other supplies.She trained him to shoot...

Do you have proof she was a prepper??? Or using the usual liberal tactic of diversion?

Gary

Do you have proof she was a prepper??? Or using the usual liberal tactic of diversion?

I did something odd, I read a story from a local newspaper near Monroe Ct. As quoted by her sister-in-law talking about her telling her to prepare for the end.

her sister-in-law Marsha Lanza told the Chicago Sun-Times.

I've been saying that the most intelligent response the NRA could have had after Newtown was to remind gun owners to secure their firearms and ensure they didn't fall into the wrong hands. Instead they said don't scapegoat the gun, then proceeded to list alternate scapegoats.

IA: 'ONLY' 'Absolute'. In the hands of a 'scooter tramp', not terribly compelling. And throw in a 'you're' once in a while - might pull in a vote or two.

They do just that, all the time Pragmatic.

The truth of the matter is that Ms. Lanza was a bad parent First and bad gun owner Second.
She could not handle her son and his illness, she should have never had her firearms available to him.

Unfortunately, no one know the facts of how her guns were stored since those have no been released (to my knowledge).

But had she kept them in a Combination Lock Gun Safe her son would never have been able to gain access to them.

Had she been alive today I would have called all of my representative to push for the Maximum sentence for that woman.

I do not own any firearms myself but support the rights of those that do, Responsibly.

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Hagg, you're the perfect example of the feminization of America. Oh, and you're an idiot.

Haggis. That terrorist organization just grew by 100,000 people in 18 days. In 6 months it will be over 5 million maybe 6. Gun ownership will not change. We will overcome these Liberals that go nuts and shoot people. Oh yes, all of these shooters came from liberal democratic families. A cesspool of contradiction and misdirected political beliefs.

Jimcolorado-2047646 wait until your kid is blasted with the one thing you americorns hold more dearly than your children. oh and by the way your constitution is a piece of outdated trash

If the NRA is a terrorist organization, what does that make the Occupy Movement?

Aaron, fitting pic.

@Fedup-3314606

If the NRA is a terrorist organization, what does that make the Occupy Movement?

Mostly non-violent for one thing. The NRA is about a couple of notches below Al Qaeda in the terrorist watch!

The NRA is a terrorist organization.

Could you please provide any evidence (dates, places, casualties, etc.)? Of course you have no evidence. Read on..............................

Another expert on knowing “Everybody knows what the NRA is all about."

You’re apparently in denial as to the root cause of violence, which is not limited to the use of firearms.

The truth about the National Rifle Association is that it was founded in 1871 not to fight the emotionally and intellectually defunct haters of guns. The NRA was founded to help and support the American military in introducing and provide marksmanship training to young men for military service.

Unfortunately the 1960's with President Johnson's great welfare society, wholesale civil disobedience and yes, the rise in the use of illegal drugs fueled more violence in America. The gun hating politicians in congress supported by their gun hating followers gave life to the gun control joke. In return the NRA started focusing more on combating the gun control nonsense.

So now everybody who did not know the truth about the NRA has been enlightened! No longer will they suffer from the grip of ignorance.

Haggis,

Mostly non-violent, except for all those protesters damaging private property, raping women in their camps, and being arrested for having bomb making materials. LOL.

this is stupid this game is a shooting range it has no gore and no killing so how is it violent? this is just another piece of crap article that the main stream feeds americans!!!!!!!