I don't blame her for refusing. There doesn't appear to be anything "special" about her.

I could care less about the gay issue. What I do care about is why the Army is allowing this obviously very obese woman to stay that way. I'm so sick of this "new normal" crap that is being force fed to us. Being that fat is far from normal, and in the Army it should not be allowed, you either stay in some sort of shape or your shown the door. She's an officer for Gods sake, what kind of example does she set looking like a refrigerator.

She could probably take you out JCB.

Jooby's quote "She could probably take you out JCB"

She couldn't run 200 yards without having a heart-attack Jooby, much less swim a 100 yards without sinking. She's huge.

and, if she is considered a "role model" as an officer in this countries military this country is in very big trouble.

jcb said:

Being that fat is far from normal, and in the Army it should not be allowed

The LT Col. is pregnant in that picture. Last I saw, the Army says its okay for a woman to be pregnant in the military. She will need to lose weight and get back into shape after her maternity leave.

Mrs. Broadway, the subject of the article, is under no compunction to conform to Army standards as she is not active-serving military.

JCB -- very good point --- Jooby -- anyone can "take someone out" with a weapon --- theses are morbidly obese "Officers" in the armed forces --- pretty sad example what we claim to be "Our country's finest". Fat, gay women ... no wonder the world laughs at us.

But again --- this is probably allowed because they fall into several "protected" species and that makes the rules for normal people unenforceable ...

So JCB your whole bitch is they way she looks? How juvenile. Maybe you should look at some of the men in the armed service while your at it.

The Leftist Liberals strike again.... They scream "eqaulity" and want all lesbians and gays to be accepted on every level and demand entry to all things without discrimination. You will get a kick from this; My friend is stationed in D.C. at the Pentagon and his wife, who is a woman, sent a request to the American Military Partner Association there in D.C. This is what she was told:

Dear Mrs. _________, we appreciate your interest in the American Military Partner Association here in Washington D.C., but regret to inform you that your request has been denied. Let me remind you that the American Military Partner Association is established for the partners and spouses of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender servicemembers. Thank you for your interest,

Sincerely;

Stephen Peters
Executive Director
stephen@militarypartners.org

Is that not the pot calling the kettle black or what? We want equality, but discriminate at will!!!!! Open your eyes America. When she went to the media with her letter from them, the media turned a blind eye and said not interested..........That is your American Liberal Soceity who have nothing but harsh words for any Conservatives who don't agree with their own personal agenda.

And for those that say it is a "partnership orginization", look at their website, it says for partners and spouses. That is what is wrong with this world, they all scream that their rights are being infringed, but have no concerns in taking away other peoples rights. Stand Up America!!!!! We are suppose to be forced to listen to their cries for rights, but when they kick our rights to the wayside, we are seen as racist and biggots....

Steve's quote "So JCB your whole bitch is they way she looks? How juvenile. Maybe you should look at some of the men in the armed service while your at it"

Spoken like a fat person Steve. It's not how she "looks" Steve, it's how overweight she is. And I feel the same way about obese male officers. I think it is totally pathetic that we have no "standards" concerning the "fitness" of our military's officers. These obese slobs are not worthy of being an officer if they can't control their obvious addiction to food, no one has the "right" to be in the military, it is a privilege to serve, and your fitness has EVERYTHING to do with your service. Sorry but your argument is absurd.

I dont think they have caught on to the fact that their goofing on those women with the spouse award..

Amanda's quote "The LT Col. is pregnant in that picture"

You have absolutely no idea when that picture was taken Amanda. That picture could very well be several years old, not new at all. If you look at the picture closely, having lived in DC for years, that is late September based on the leaf color of the trees, there are NO leaves on those trees this time of year, so your point is invalid. And she's way to heavy even 5 months ago if she was pregnant when that picture was taken.

Pregnancy does not normally make a woman gain 200 lbs.

If the gay lifestyle is so natural I suppose she was impregnated by her "spouse."

Navy MCPO (ret)

i love arguments like yours:

If the gay lifestyle is so natural I suppose she was impregnated by her "spouse."

because it obviously applies to heterosexual couples where one or both parties are infertile :)

so obviously their lifestyle isn't natural either, heterosexual infertile couples aren't natural - right ?

i adore arguments like yours :)

Taxpayers fund 100% of the military. The Pentagon sucks up nearly 70% of the federal budget. Unless all the bigots want to give every gay and lesbian person in the U.S. a pass on paying federal taxes every year, all citizens ought enjoy the same equal rights, including employees of the DoD - who also pay taxes. It is contrary to both the law and common sense to have any policy that forces individuals to pay taxes to a govt. agency that then makes them discriminate against themselves, for no reason other than that they are not in the majority. That is the definition of tyranny by the majority, a principle this nation not only professes to find unjust and ethically repugnant but also attempts to enforce on other nations around the world. Hypocrisy is not unlawful, but more theocrats in the military and govt. are fast realizing its core existence is the basis for prejudice. Those in the majority only make themselves appear small and powerless, if not also cowardly, when resorting to group discrimination to prevail on an issue that is (a) none of their business and (b) does no harm to anyone and would benefit all.

JJ101:

The American Military Partner Association is for PARTNERS of military serving members. Your friend's wife is a 'SPOUSE' therefore membership to an organization for 'Partners' is not open to her since she is not a 'Partner'.

JCB said:

You have absolutely no idea when that picture was taken Amanda. That picture could very well be several years old, not new at all. If you look at the picture closely, having lived in DC for years, that is late September based on the leaf color of the trees, there are NO leaves on those trees this time of year, so your point is invalid. And she's way to heavy even 5 months ago if she was pregnant when that picture was taken.

Exactly, so how do YOU know that the Lt. Col. is NOT presently conforming to regulations as regards height, weight and PT requirements?

Its possible that they don't care one way or the other about the club, or even want to be a member, what cooks their cookie is that they were treated differently because they are different and that is not acceptable to treat someone different just because they are.

now where are my rights as a straight person to not be bothered with thousands of gay issues in every aspect of my life, why do we have to have gay this and gay that rammed down our throats every min of every day and in every aspect from religion to Boy Scouts and now some Army wives club, in our schools, to me their presence is like the flu it really makes me sick to my stomach, and its begenning to resemble a infestation they are everywhere, now for 35years that they have been basically out of the closet its been like a down hill snowball, and now it is becoming threatening, the only reason she wants into the club is because they don't want her and that to her is not tolerable, so in essence the club is being bullied by a dike, yes bullied like the gay community has been bullying the rest of us for the past decade. they bully our churches, they bully the boy scouts, they bully everything that wont bend their way, they are bullies. that's what T Roosevelt said about them Bully! Bully! Bully! there is nothing worse than the gay community ganging up on everyone else and bulling them. where are the rights of these organizations to establish their own rules and run their own clubs without some form of invasion. even if she got them to change she would be more unwelcome then she was before, now all you meanies stop bulling the straight people, and all you liberals time for your En4m@. Liberal bulling of everyone not in their collective mind set is getting pretty bad to, who would have thought that 40 years of brainwashing could cause so much degradation to a society. and make it to where a society would want to throw out everything that 237years of hard work and sacrifice built, and replace it with political correctness and massive controls, freedom be damned. where are we headed? I believe in live and let live but I also believe that its a two way street. why is it that 3% of the population can hold the rest of the country prisioner to its demands. why is it that 3% of the population can force 97% to go in the direction they demand you go? America is fading away, and when its gone and you all live substandard lives in every respect the people that brought you to that point will teach you that things are better when they are not and you will believe them because you won't know any better. we don't need the change we are getting, its change for the worse not better. its never ending BS and more rules with more controls, and no freedom of thought. they are already manipulating speech with their Politically correct crap, crap would be the politically correct way to describe it, if it smells like crap then it must be crap.

branxoz said;

Well, the Constitution gives me the EXACT same right to voice my own opinion. It also gives me freedom of religion as well.

It is supposed to give ALL people the freedom of religion, but it doesn't.

My belief system has sects for the gays (the Minoan Brotherhood) and the lesbians (the Dianics). If two of our Dianics or two of our Minoans choose to make a commitment to share the Goddess's Gift of Pleasure only with each other, our priests and priestesses can marry them. The government's refusal therefore, to recognize our religious marriages as marriages infringes on our First Amendment rights to practice our religion as we so choose.

As a true, Born Again, Christian, I LOATHE the SODOMITE lifestyle. I love the people, but LOATHE the way they live. Why?. Because my Master Jesus Christ did as well,

In the copy of the Bible I have, printed in 1961, the Old Testament says God says 'Thou shalt not lie with a man as with woman, it is a detestable thing.' Somewhere between 1961 and now, the word was changed to 'abomination'. Oh, and nowhere does it say anything about women lying with women, so I guess God has a double standard.

Jesus doesn't say anything against homosexuality, at least not in the version of the Bible I have. The New Testament verses that deal with the subject are from letters written by apostles, not disciples--the disciples heard Jesus's words from his own lips but the apostles heard it later secondhand or thirdhand and therefore given how words can be misinterpreted and misunderstood, those latter epistles can't be trusted:

A novice was starting out in the monastery for the first day and the head monk gave him a handwritten copy of the monastery rules for him to copy out.

The novice asked 'Is this an exact copy of the original?" The head monk said 'yes' but he got to thinking.

Some time later the novice found the head monk in the archives sitting on the floor crying. He rushed over to the old monk thinking something was wrong, but the old monk just pointed to the page of a dusty old book sitting in front of him."The word is not 'celibate', it's 'celebrate'!"

Around 329 CE a handful of Christian elders got together all 8000 scrolls of Christian teachings that existed at the time, picked out what they liked and put it together in a book called the Bible. Whatever they didn't like was labeled 'the Forbidden Books' and hidden away, and are currently said to be gathering dust in the Vatican archives somewhere.Until we see the old scrolls and verify what is in them, you cannot be absolutely sure that what is in the Bible IS what has ALWAYS been in the Bible.

and I try to live EXACTLY the way He did.

Mmm. So why are you on the computer? A home, etc? Did you, as Jesus said, 'Give all you have to the poor and follow me'? Are you married? (the church's official position is that Jesus was never married.) if you ARE married, do you make your wife cover her head, as it states in Corinthians 1? I can almost guarantee that if you did she'd divorce you in a heartbeat.

For all you complaining about the LT COL's weight please justify the appearance of GEN Schwarzkopf. He also appeared to be obese and one would assume unable to pass his physical. But he sure did the job he needed to do at the time. Take a look at all the linemen in the NFL almost all wualify as obese - any of you macho men want to get into a fight with them.

JJ 101,

Conveniently, you hide behind anonymity. The "email" from your friend is false. Anyone is free to see the facts by going to AMPA's page for membership (militarypartners.org/join) and noting that ally (AKA heterosexual ) spouses are welcome.

--FROM THEIR "JOIN" PAGE--
Your Status (check all that apply): *

Civilian Partner/Spouse of an LGBT Servicemember
Active Duty Partner/Spouse of an LGBT Servicemember
Active Duty, Nat'l Guard, Reserve LGBT Servicemember
Civilian Partner/Spouse of an LGBT Veteran
Prior Service or Retired LGBT Veteran
Civilian Partner/Spouse of a Non-LGBT Servicemember (ally)
Civilian Partner/Spouse of a Non-LGBT Veteran (ally)
Active Duty, Nat'l Guard, or Reserve Non-LGBT Servicemember (ally)
Prior Service or Retired Non-LGBT Veteran (ally)
Non-Military/Veteran Civilian Ally
---

If you're going to lie - make sure you do so in a way that you won't be caught so easily.

JCB said:

You have absolutely no idea when that picture was taken Amanda. That picture could very well be several years old, not new at all. If you look at the picture closely, having lived in DC for years, that is late September based on the leaf color of the trees, there are NO leaves on those trees this time of year, so your point is invalid. And she's way to heavy even 5 months ago if she was pregnant when that picture was taken.

Exactly, so how do YOU know that the Lt. Col. is NOT presently conforming to regulations as regards height, weight and PT requirements?

Not to bright are you Amanda? That photo was submitted to MSN by Ashley Broadway the Lt. Col.'s partner, it says so right below the picture. If the Lt. Col. were "the picture of health, and the in shape person" you seem to want to convey, then why submit a photo that makes you both look like refrigerators in a picture that will be on a national thread? My guess is your heavy also.

Holly's quote " For all you complaining about the LT COL's weight please justify the appearance of GEN Schwarzkopf"

There is no justification Holly, he's an obese person, who should have been told "either get into some relative shape" or your going to be retired. And he wasn't much of a General in my book, his ideas were pathetic, his decisions defied reality.

While i might agree the Lt. Col. should spend more time on the obstacle course and less time at Old Country Buffett.This kind of treatment is unacceptable. They knew she wouldn't accept the offer. I understand and sympathize why she refused, i get it. It was insulting. Equal rights do not come easy. It doesn't matter if your black and being told to sit in the back of the bus or a member of the homosexual element trying to join a club. She would have been more effective accepting the offer and changing things from the inside.

JCB:

Not to bright are you Amanda? That photo was submitted to MSN by Ashley Broadway the Lt. Col.'s partner, it says so right below the picture. If the Lt. Col. were "the picture of health, and the in shape person" you seem to want to convey, then why submit a photo that makes you both look like refrigerators in a picture that will be on a national thread?

Who knows why she submitted that picture? Maybe it was the only one she had on hand? Maybe the only one she could find? If someone said they had to have a picture of me right now the only one I would be able to give them is one that was taken after I had facial reconstructive surgery after a bicycle accident four years ago. I try to avoid pictures now and have nothing recent--and even before the accident I rarely posed for pictures.

Not once did I ever say 'she's the picture of health and in shape'. As you pointed out, the picture is not current. While I cannot say that she DOES NOT look like that currently, neither can you say that she DOES look like that.

My guess is your heavy also.

Way to go on the deflection, but here, I'm going to go on this little side trip with you.

I was 97 when I got pregnant with my 1st child. I lost 10 pounds in my first trimester to morning sickness, dropped to 87 pounds, then was at 151 When I gave birth to my oldest son. At my three month checkup I found I was pregnant again and I was at 140. By the time I had my second son, I was at 175. My doctor told me to bring the weight down gradually and he wanted to see me at 140 for a couple months then drop gradually to 120 since he said 97 was too skinny for a 5 foot two Asian female.

I am currently at 130. I ride my bicycle, walk,or ride the bus everywhere I go; I volunteer at the local animal shelter and take dogs for walks, escort visitors looking or adoptable pets. On nice days my neighbors come out of their houses and watch me practice Kumooyeh with my swords in the field behind the local church. I run a mile and a half in just under 13 minutes. The building I work in has four floors and I can run the stairs from the biometrics lab in the basement to the top floor bathroom without losing breath.

Is 130 heavy for a 5 foot two Asian female? I have no idea. I have extra hanging around my middle left from having two children eleven moths apart, but my weight does not prevent me from getting through a typical day, doesn't prevent me from enjoying running shelter dogs through the agility course, doesn't keep me from enjoying a romp with my kids outside. So whatever my weight, it's not keeping me from doing things I want to do so I'm happy with myself. I look in the mirror in the morning and I love the person looking back at me. And that in the end is all that matters.

WOW! This thread sounds like something out of the 700 Club..

Damn, there's a lot of hatred here for two people and their family from people that don't even know them...

Sorry, fat joke are lame...

The Military should never had ever allowed gay people or accept it. I just wonder how did this Lt. Col. get her rank certainly not by having everyone know she is a female queer which sickens the normal people. Where is the morals today if the gay asks for something they usually get it and now the sick two being discussed got turned down and don't like it. Personally I don't think the club should have offered them ANYTHING but a discharge.

amanda: 2.18 "Whap!" Seems as if every post is 'easy pickin'. Sad, isn't it? Americans to the core - freedom to fear and hate. Freedom to make no sense whatsoever. My rights rule - your rights? Phffft.

JCB-1236504 -

Wow, you really don't like to consider any evidence that goes against your opinions, huh? She is, in fact, pregnant in the photo...a quick 5 minute search reveals not only the full photo (with her "baby bump" visible) but the fact that she is due to deliver any day. She got pregnant shortly after returning from a deployment in March.

So, yes, the photo was taken this fall, probably in September or October. Despite what you may think you know, not all women "show" the same amount at the same time during their pregnancy nor gain weight in the same pattern. In fact, the fact that she has been pregnant before only increases the likelihood that she would get "bigger" more quickly this time. You have no evidence to support your insults about her weight - just your theory that she was overweight before she got pregnant. Is it possible there is another reason you have a problem with the LC?

NMCPO:

That post is derogatory, demeaning, and unbecoming an individual who made it to E-9 in my Navy.

You are an embarrassment.

Dumbo

You refer to yourself as Normal. You are not Normal.

Most people are not male.

Most people are not bigots.

Most people are not white.

You are not normal, you are simply average...and that is boring.

People with your hateful attitude are in the minority, and your kind is dying off.

You will not be missed

JCB, you're getting hated on but I agree with you, maybe it's the keyword "officer" Go to college become an officer, gee that's hard.

Now on to what I actually wanted to say, this whole thing is ridiculous, so Ft Bragg doesn't want you in their spouses club, guess what? In a couple of years you'll get a new duty station and maybe they won't be as assholish? The military is NOT civilian life, if they wanted you to have a spouse they would've issued you one.

Lesson one: military spouses can be total bitches, get over it. I know I had to. I'm married to a (now retired) 1SG I'm ten years younger then my spouse and the whole we don't use our spouse's rank is bull@!$%#, I made the mistake of believing that in the beginning. BECAUSE of my husband's rank I was ostracized and/or used all the time (sorry I can't help your soldier I have NO rank) doesn't mean they don't try.

Why would you want to be a member of a club like this anyway? Screw em, they're not worthy of having you there anyway.

Let the woman join the club

Which one? Only one can be accepted, the other one has to join the husband club.

this world is going to hell in a hurry, and people are more worried about gays and leisbians.

Why would anyone want to join a club that they're not welcome in? All clubs vote on who will be accepted and who won't. If the club is forced to accept her, they will probably just shun her. How is this good for her or the club? You can't force people to accept you.

Search for this article:

Homosexual People and the Vindication They Long For (Part 1)

exerpt:

"The point is that gay marriage is incompatible with a nation that maintains its Christian foundation. The fact that it has gained so much support is evidence that our once great nation has abandoned its godly principles. As these principles that once protected our freedom are laid aside, real liberty will vanish along with it. "If the foundations be destroyed, what can the righteous do?" Psa 11:3"

Just another liberal lookingfor their 15 minutes of fame. Just another gay thinking the whole world should change for them only.

Which one? Only one can be accepted, the other one has to join the husband club.

One is military (Lt. Col.), the other is her spouse. Military personnel do not join spouse's clubs. What a stupid statement.

Why would anyone want to join a club that they're not welcome in?

Good point. Why did blacks want to join the military? Why did women? They weren't welcome at first either.

Wow, didn't realize there are still so many bigots around. When will you all just die?

NJK said:

I say oust the club from being affiliated with the military unless they do the right thing and stop thinking they are better than others.

This spouse's club is a private, non-profit organization.

As a private organization, they have the right to exclude whomever they wish. While I personally may find their decision to be morally and ethically reprehensible, by law it is their right.

As a nonprofit organization, under the rules of the State of North Carolina, they are required to not discriminate based on gender, color/race, or national origin; however, the laws of NC do NOT ban discrimination based on gender sexual preference.

When the Armed Forces as a whole institutes a Force-wide ban on discrimination based on gender sexual preference, this private, nonprofit spouses' club CAN continue to exclude lesbian and gay spouses; however, they would not be allowed to meet on or use government facilities for meetings--a policy which the Marines, in their infinite wisdom, made abundantly clear earlier this month.

Never !!

And if this woman was Black she would not be excluded, you betcha!!!

JayDivider

Our country is free to practice any religion...it has never been a country of " godly principles ". Just because In God We Trust is printed on our money doesn't mean that it's your God they referred to.

As these principles that once protected our freedom are laid aside, real liberty will vanish along with it

So what your saying here is we should go back to the"Old Ways"....how far back? When women didn't have the right to vote or when we had slavery....Just what are you saying here?

A society that fails to progress is destine to fail. We ask for Equal Rights Under The Law....NOT SPECIAL RIGHTS.

How can you say "just let her join the club", when even the military itself does not recognise the "marriage"? She can not have a military ID, as do all spouses, she can not have any military benefits, as do all spouses, but she "must" be accepted to a club that is for only spouses?...make any sense to you? If the Federal Government doesn't recognise the so called marriage, why should anyone else? The repeal of Dont ask dont tell, just says it is ok to be gay in the military, but DOMA says only a marriage between a man and woman will be recognised by the Federal Government and if Obama wanted something diffrent or even truthfully supported something diffrent, he would of had DOMA repealed along time ago. Don't be angry gays and lesbians, your vote was not the only one bought by your president to promise such great things and deliver nothing. Basically what he did was promise to be the first open president that will allow the gays and lesbians all freedoms, then you vote for him and chant his name, now he laughs at what sheeple you are by spitting in your face and not even bringing a measure to Congress to repeal DOMA and has no plans to in the future either...lol.

When the Armed Forces as a whole institutes a Force-wide ban on discrimination based on gender sexual preference, this private, nonprofit spouses' club CAN continue to exclude lesbian and gay spouses; however, they would not be allowed to meet on or use government facilities for meetings--a policy which the Marines, in their infinite wisdom, made abundantly clear earlier this month.

Amanda

The decision made by the Marines Corps is follow the order of the highest Command , DoD , The Marine Corps is not a Democratic institution , if that was the case DADT will remain unchanged.

JJ said:

then you vote for him and chant his name, now he laughs at what sheeple you are by spitting in your face and not even bringing a measure to Congress to repeal DOMA and has no plans to in the future either...

Actually the legislation is already working its way through Congress. It would effectively repeal DOMA, and it's called the Respect For Marriage act:

H.R. 3567:^[5]

a) repeals section 1738C of title 28 of the United States code

b) amends Section 7 of title 1 in the United States Code to read:

(a) For the purposes of any Federal law in which marital status is a factor, an individual shall be considered married if that individual's marriage is valid in the State where the marriage was entered into or, in the case of a marriage entered into outside any State, if the marriage is valid in the place where entered into and the marriage could have been entered into in a State. (b) In this section, the term 'State' means a State, the District of Columbia, the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico, or any other territory or possession of the United States.

It's only matter of time before DOMA falls.

redvirginia:

The policy dictated by the USMC earlier this month said that if their private, nonprofit Marine spouses' clubs wanted to discriminate against, and not allow, gay spouses to join, then they would not be able to have their meetings on Federal property--base facilities.

It seems the EEOC and butt lovers are making a mess of America and this article is another example!!!!

Amanda-2017567

redvirginia:

The policy dictated by the USMC earlier this month said that if their private, nonprofit Marine spouses' clubs wanted to discriminate against, and not allow, gay spouses to join, then they would not be able to have their meetings on Federal property--base facilities.

That is correct, your comment does not refute my point. The policy of the USMC has to follow the policies of the DOD. However gay marriage is not legal jet in the Army , so is wrong to call wife to a person that is not legally married jet.

Redvirginia - since this is the SPOUSES CLub it is already the Husbands Club.

The Lt. Col is legally married to her partner. Mrs. Broadway therefore is a spouse.

I would argue that the Army DOES recognize same-gender marriages, as the Army recently allowed the chapel at West Point to be used to perform same-gender marriage.

All of that aside, as Mrs. Broadway does not have a spousal ID card, so she is not considered a military spouse. I was not arguing that point with you--merely pointing out that the Marines said if a private organization wanted to discriminate against a section of the population they were not allowed to do s on federal property.

@ Jaydivider its is obvious that what is going on is a dismanteling of the foundations that America was built on and that means that the foundations of Christianity will be removed as well and something comes to mind that former president Clinton, stated about our present president Obama is going to do and that is rebuild America from the ground up, that means that everything in existence today has to be tore down in order for him to rebuild the nation the way he wants it, that includes everything that is now the foundation of America, Mr Obama is as far from being a religious man as he can get, these politicians only pretend to be religious for as long as it will take to destroy the foundations of America I fear I served America and put my life on the line for nothing. this is only one side of a two sided coin.

Now we have this issue of a woman wanting to be in a spouses club but she has no husband and if she has no husband then what makes her think she is a spouse. I don't recall hearing the Supreme court hearings verdict on what constitutes a marriage, so why is this trouble maker even jumping the gun and expecting the pentagon to step in where it has no business and technically never will have any business, this is a private club right, and why is the media even running this when they wont run the one about the gay club discriminating against a straight person? this is all just one big farce. perverts are not special.

I would argue that the Army DOES recognize same-gender marriages, as the Army recently allowed the chapel at West Point to be used to perform same-gender marriage

The only reason that West Point perform same sex marriage is because is in the state of New York where is legal, do not provide a federal status, so the marriage is at state level only, this is why she don't have a spouse Military ID. DOD do not recognize Homosexual marriage.

Let the spouse join the spouse's club. Some people just can't stand that they aren't "Above" other people! What do you wives and husbands think your spouses are fighting for, anyway? Sounds like a bunch of "club" beaurocrats, who think their mostly ceremonial positions mean something. The club is to support military spouses! If you can't do that mission, then get out of the way, and let somebody do the job, who has some idea what's going on! Gees!

Amanda- The organization claims to be an officers spouses club and does functions on military installations and the military has every right to say fix yourselves or go somewhere else. And they can be forced to terminate all association with the military.

"DAM"sic right!

oz rising, while it's about respect it is also very much about being gay and equal rights for GAYS. Otherwise, her allowance into the club wouldn't even be in question.

Except, jrsquid, "everyone else" (e.g., the other spouses in the club) were able to join the club just by applying. That's how they earned "respect" by your logic... by getting married to a soldier. Well this woman is married to a soldier too.

What would be interesting is to know if any other spouses have been denied membership based on other circumstances.

Overall it's really just ridiculous...

Is that like starting your "own dam" negro club? Did I fall into a time machine?

Hey, Little Squid,

No one wants your respect as you are a total douchbag! Who in their right mind would care what the hell you think about gays? Maybe your boyfriends???? Go back in the closet loser.

afforded any military spouse

Correct me if I am wrong, but the military does not recognize homosexual "marriges".

squid: "Your bitching, crying, whining, and demanding respect will not get my respect."

Three questions.

Who, in fact, is expressing the majority of "bitching, crying and whining" on this thread.

Why would anyone be interested in gaining your respect?

What do you do to deserve respect?

I do not ask for respect and do not expect it so I have no problem with it. I am in conflict with gays demanding it.

Gays are here to stay. They have established that. Now they want more and want us to do all the changing to accommodate their needs and forget ours. If I dislike the gay lifestyle I have a right to avoid it and not listen to it. I do not need it pushed onto me so that I can be more "understanding" I do not want to understand. I treat gays with a mutual respect. I do not give them the respect as an individual or as a group that has a one way agenda.

This gay couple was given a compromise....They were offended by it because they did not get it completely their way and from their PERSPECTIVE.

Kinjiru

It is like stating womens club, mens club, boy scouts, girl scout, black entertainment, LGBT organization, NAACP, KKK, black panthers, WHAT are you saying? I can go on forever.

squid: " I do not want to understand. I treat gays with a mutual respect. I do not give them the respect as an individual or as a group that has a one way agenda."

I'm fully aware of the truth of your first sentence - you've made that abundantly clear.

Cannot for the life of me make any sense of the second and third.

"...one way agenda." A very strange sentiment, indeed, considering the source.

squid: "I am glad of AID's too bad they found a way to curb it."

You consider yourself a Christian? Comments like that will get you a First Class one-way ticket across the River Styx.

Whether you are or are not a troll, that sentence will qualify you for medical benefits - avail yourself.

Yes I have my faults obviously you are self righteous and have none or you cannot admit to them. 'One way agenda = the gay way or the highway agenda. Gays want respect and will stop at nothing. I want them to do what any other human being has to do and that is earn it.

If I had answer to how they will get respect then I don't believe it would be called respect. Every individual has their own way of getting respect. Everyone is different in that aspect. I also know that I cannot change the emotional makeup of someone and I may offend most. But I am abrasive that way and I have NEVER treated another man or woman wrong physically or in the my presence. On blogs that is a different story. I have to vent truthfully.

I cal myself a christian but like most I have backslided and I know I fall short of the glory of God. But I am not bringing religion into this. I just replied to another post. So thanks for stalkiing my posts. It tells me you are trying to see my view point.

Jrsquid... you speak as if the fact that they are gay is the reason you already don't have respect for them.

I think the fact that you are christian means you need to earn my respect. Ignorance needs to earn its right away as well, correct?

jrsquid

Fact: More heterosexuals have HIV/AIDS world wide than those that are LBGT, and that has always been the case.

Gays want respect and will stop at nothing. I want them to do what any other human being has to do and that is earn it.

According to you there is nothing one could do to earn it. So how does one do this? Stop being who they are? How about you stop being who you are and we'll see how that goes first. Lead by example!

You really should find more time to pull your head out of your ass and get fresh air.

Steve, let's do a fact check here for the USA. According to the CDC, over 60% of new HIV cases are homosexual men. The reason it has spread to heterosexuals is some homosexuals engaged in sex with heterosexual and it spread like wildfire.

Steve, go somewhere and think, afterwards, come back in and blog.

Fact: More heterosexuals have HIV/AIDS world wide than those that are LBGT, and that has always been the case

False

MSM accounted for 61% of all new HIV infections in the U.S. in 2009, as well as nearly half (49%) of people living with HIV in 2008 (the most recent year national prevalence data is available).
CDC estimates that MSM account for just 2% of the U.S. male population aged 13 and older, but accounted for more than 50% of all new HIV infections annually from 2006 to 2009. In 2010, MSM accounted for 61% of HIV diagnoses.
In 2009, white MSM accounted for the largest number of annual new HIV infections of any group in the U.S. (11,400), followed closely by black MSM (10,800).

Another

Estimated Number of Diagnoses of HIV Infection, 2010

male to male sexual contact 28,782
Heterosexual contact 4,416
#hivaidsexposure
Government statistics...

You really should find more time to pull your head out of your ass and get fresh air.

Good advice!

#hivaidsexposure

Al-524682,Jean-982597,Social distortion

Key word you idiots is WORLD WIDE. Your numbers are for the US from the CDC. Go back and read what I wrote.

Look at the stats from the WHO (World Health Organization). What I said is fact.

Damn you haters try everything to insight and promote your BS.

Try rolling the dice again, I think your stuck on stupid.

Steve-3564331,

"Fact: More heterosexuals have HIV/AIDS world wide than those that are LBGT, and that has always been the case."

I have news for you Wyle E. coyote super genius, that's becuase they are bisexual, moron. Just becuase they also engage in sex with women doesn't qualify them as a heterosexual. Also, speaking from a pure population and number perspective, a promiscuous straight male or female can perpetuate the disease faster than a homosexual person can just on sheer numbers alone. Couple that with prostitution, poverty, poor education and risky lifestyle and their you have a huge pandemic in a heterosexual community infected with HIV/Aids alone, a great example is sub-Sahara Africa where homosexuality is still considered an abomination and punishable by death, yet the disease has spread to heterosexuals who are the highest casualties because of the factors I just explained. By the way Gomer Pyle, the virus can be traced to an extremely promiscuous gay Canadian flight attendant in the mid to late 1970s. Also, in the early 1980s in NYC over 90% of the first casualties were all homosexual with the other 10% hemophiliacs(blood transfusions). At the time it was thought to be a gay sexually transmitted disease until it crossed the sex threshold barriers to encompass bisexuals then ultimately heterosexuals at which point no none was excused or safe from the disease. Did you get schooled yet?

Si vis pacem praeparet bellum

DUH!

Don't try and school me dumb ass...I've had HIV/AIDS for 18 years. I think I know the facts.

Try following the bouncing ball and the conversation if you can.

Si vis pacem praeparet bellum

The information you provided must have came from your watching " And The Band Played On".

The presumption from the CDC was the flight attendant as patient zero....However, they also have found HTLVIII in small quantities in people as early as the 40's by testing DNA of people that had died of similar AIDS related causes....Now don't tell me I know DNA testing wasn't available then...I know that too. The DNA tests where currently done.

OK Goober

you idiots......your stuck on stupid .... dumb ass

Reported, read the CoH. :)

Maybe next time you can successfully debate without name calling.

Later.

LOLOLOLOL

Social distortion Couldn't debate on facts so it had to leave.

Report me please!!!!!!! Where do I report Idiots?

squid: "I am glad of AID's too bad they found a way to curb it."

"I cal myself a christian but like most I have backslided and I know I fall short of the glory of God."

May I suggest you fall short of the most minor expectations of civility, and will no doubt need a very creative ruse to get by St. Peter with that crack. I know no atheists that would think, let alone voice, such ugliness.

Thank You SDN

Steve

I will debate facts with you all day long, if you have some that you can back up with links or citations.

However, I will NOT debate with people that resort to childish name calling like you did and continue to do so. Again, read the CoH.

Like you said

...I've had HIV/AIDS for 18 years

Your the expert on the subject, so enjoy and have a good evening....

Social distortion

You have nothing to debate.

I suggested you look at the World Health Organization for the facts I listed.

Your not an adult...Adults can handle conversations....And why bother coming back and commenting if you have nothing but ignorance to defend yourself.

Read this ( * ) & have a nice life moron.

While i disagree with this 'club's position - I agree that the end result, at least for this person will not be full acceptance. Sure we can pass laws and bylaws - but the hens that have been plucked won't likely open the hearts and arms wide anytime soon.

That said, you have to wonder about the inner workings of the club when one application turns it into a media circus event. Obviously, the ruling ladies didn't quite think through the battle.

Not sure that the club actually started this mess. I am beginning to think that this started with an agenda by the person applying (screen shots and satlking facebook pages) does not sound like normal behavior. It would not be the first time someone with a agenda went after an easy target in order to get publicity. It worked.

Absolutely! It is obvious to me that gays and lesbians are the ones who don't want to live in peace. They have too much to "prove" and are constantly looking for conflict. Anybody can act like that, but it takes a mature person to keep things in perspective and not force their ways on others.

No one is Forcing their ways on others jld35 except people like you.

We have nothing to "Prove" and the conflict that you see stems from not being treated equally under the law.

How would it be for you if this was reverse or this was your son or daughter? You wouldn't put up with it for a minute.

We are born this way.....It is not a lifestyle or a choice anymore than yours is.

So when did you know you are heterosexual?

If your anwser is you've always known, then how is that any different for us....We've always known.

This is the best response I've read yet. Maybe once the Supremes hand down a judgement about same sex marriage which will supercede state's decisions we will see more of this type of injustice fade away just like we saw segregation issues fade. Let's hope so! Americans detest the arrogance of male-dominated cultures in the Middle East and their low respect for women; but we fail to equate that with our demeaning treatment of homosexuals. Let the Court decide then we'll gradually move into the twenty-first century. But change is coming for a lot of people, and it is time for that change! Strange how Equality works; more respect for other people equals more respect for me, too. When will we ever learn that?

bama1987 this is not a Theocracy. From a political standpoint, denial of a civil marriage contract between two competent and consenting adults is Unconstitutional, as has been constantly ruled when brought before the court. From a political standpoint religious beliefs can not be forced upon a Free American Citizen. The inability to realize this fact is a serious flaw in your logic, thereby your statements are irrelevant. The USMC has made a statement that it will not tolerate such discrimination. Semper Fi Do or Die! Personally, I wouldn't want to join any club, but it is probable that if Fort Bragg limps into the 21st century she will eliminate some ignorance, stereotypical thinking and bias.

Bama, from one Christian to another, do you believe that God doesn't love each and everyone of His children? I cannot, regardless of their personal struggles. God forgives you everything you ask for earnestly, I believe that he does for each and everyone of us. I cannot believe that God would hate every homosexual, especially if His children love and accept Him. I will pray for you to be less judgmental to people you know or don't know, for those who do not see things the same as you do. God loves each and everyone of His children, how could any good parent not?

Another christian acting like the devil. False prophet or whatever you want to call it. I see this type of christianity from certain people and it pisses me off. I am a christian, these curmudgeons who post their twisted opinion and relate it with God sickens me.

Funny how gays are abundant in any society where debauchery is rampant

Funny how there are the same percentage of gays in any society, regardless of debauchery. Some society just allow them to get out of the closet more than some others, like Iran.

But don't get facts get in your way.

Or move to Iran.

Funny how straight people are abundant in any society where bogotry and racism are rampant!

Any they should not get support if there partner dies, it is against nature and God. Any one who thinks this is normal, then tell me one thing, if everyone thought being gay or lesbian is a normal behavior then what would happen to the human population. I will tell you it would go extinct, if you think that is normal then God help us all.

Funny how there is no straight person here. Because if there was. You be bitching about your rights being trampled on too.

oz: Your last sentence in #6 - If I may say - an excellent articulation of the most basic of American principles. Well done. Hysteria seems still in fashion, unfortunately. Perhaps some day America will meet its founders ideals.

@Thuirwyne. When i said my political opinion, I should have said if someone forced me into giving one. Ultimetley I dont care if gay people get married or not, in reality I am pollitically nuetral on the subject. And just because I disagree with someones choices on religious grounds dosent mean I wouldn't treat that person with respect. Jesus said love and pray for your enemies and friends. If I got into a discussion with a gay person about our various beliefs, it would be a respectful discussion, and at the end whether we agreed or not I would shake their hand and walk away. But as I said before, what happens pollitically dosent matter. Jesus said his kingdom is not part of this world, he sits at the right hand of Jehovah in heaven. Jesus also said my followers should be no part of this world. Christians in actuality should stay out of politics. The gay community strives so hard for recgonition from a secular government, thats fine have it, I will respect all people but my beliefs wont change. they put their trust in the governments of men, all unbelievers do.But one day the government of men will fail. The kingdom of Jehovah will not.All Christians should put their faith in gods heavenly kingdom, as long as the government allows us to practice our relegion, we should stay out of worldly politics. Respect authority, render unto cesaer what is due him. But all these people put their faith in mans government, and it wont last forever.

bama: "If they hate you remember they hated me first." Might want to give that some thought.

bama: "If they hate you remember they hated me first." Might want to give that some thought.

@sdn. Yes, if the unbelivers persecuted Jesus for his beliefs, the unbelivers of today will persecute his followers. Whats your point?

bama: Next time I'll be less obtuse.

@sdn. I just asked what you meant. If you disagree with Jesus, thats fine, just having a conversation. Just want to know what you meant by that statement.

bama: "If they hate you remember they hated me first." Is it even remotely possible that Christ was speaking to a gay person? If not, why not?

He was speaking to one of the 12 apostles. Men who lie with men will not inherit the kingdom of god. Now, you will get no argument on the political side, all I truly care about is the freedom to practice my religion, other than that I dont care what the government does.

bama said:

Men who lie with men will not inherit the kingdom of god.

The Bible says 'Thou shalt not lie with a man as with a woman, it is a detestable thing.'

The Bible never says anything about women lying down with women. Therefore, your God has a double standard--and these two women would be fine to go to heaven.

Now, you will get no argument on the political side, all I truly care about is the freedom to practice my religion, other than that I don't care what the government does.

And for practitioners of my religion, that is all we want, and the government infringes on that.

My belief system has sects for the gays (the Minoan Brotherhood) and the lesbians (the Dianics). If two of our Dianics or two of our Minoans choose to make a commitment to share the Goddess's Gift of Pleasure only with each other, our priests and priestesses can marry them. The government's refusal therefore, to recognize our religious marriages as marriages infringes on our First Amendment rights to practice our religion as we so choose.

As an American citizen, your responsibility is to uphold the Constitution, and so this infringement on Constitutional rights IS your business.

When I took the Oath of Citizenship I swore to uphold and defend the Constitution of the US and the US against any and all enemies, foreign and domestic. I don't know if you took the Oath or you were just lucky enough to be born here, but even if you were born here and never took the Oath you still have a responsibility to uphold it.

Barry Sotero said:

if everyone thought being gay or lesbian is a normal behavior then what would happen to the human population. I will tell you it would go extinct, if you think that is normal then God help us all.

The human race is in no danger of going extinct.The human population always has and will continue to have individuals who prefer the opposite gender as well as those who prefer the same gender. this has been true throughout time, in all cultures, societies, belief systems.

In the desert of the Southwest there's a species called the whiptail lizard. Centuries ago when the area was a fertile grassland there were both male and female of the species. But as climate changed and temps got hotter, the eggs started hatching out all females (ask any herpetologist--the ambient temperature around an egg determines the animal's gender). Today the species is composed entirely of females--and they are surviving, even thriving, with no males.

Amanda, Then you know that the Constitution should be interpreted based its original intent. Homosexually had been outlawed along Adultery and Fornication since the founding of this country. If the intent was was these things to be allowed by the Constitution, then they couldn't have been illegal when it was first ratified. Also, if you understand it, you would realize that many things the Government does to day violate the the Constitution under the 10th amendment. The Constitution was established to set a standard for the Federal Government. States originally had a lot of rights and they been taken away quite a bit in the last 80 years. Did you know that until the 1830's that in Massachusetts you had to be Catholic to Serve in Government. it was in their state constitution. You see each state is like its own mini country agreeing to be in a larger one. That is how the Constutuion was designed, but it has been wrongly erroded away.

Al:

The caveat here is that we are allowed religious freedom so if our religion says it's okay, which law gets followed? The Bill of Rights makes it pretty clear that individual religious rights are sacrosanct--That clause, religious freedom, was one of the main reasons why this colony broke of the British empire. (That and taxation without representation.) Also, many states have repealed their laws against sodomy, adultery and fornication.

However I will agree with you that as of late, the Constitution hasn't been treated as the law of the land.

ozymandias rising, Amanda-2017567

Thank You for your posts & support.

Amanda -

"The Bill of Rights makes it pretty clear that individual religious rights are sacrosnct."

Not much of a scholar on Constitutional matters, eh?

The Constitution is not at all clear on this matter, and it was only since the 1940's that several different Supreme Court decisions resulted in the personal freedoms of religion that you refer to.

"Arkansas,^[ Maryland, Massachusetts, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, South Carolina,Tennessee, and Texas have some form of religious requirements to hold public office, and some require a religious test to sit on a jury or be a witness in court. These provisions were legal until the Supremes interpreted the 14th to make these provsions unenforceable.

A Marriage Certificate is nothing more than a legal document, and not a religious document.

I don't know of any marriage certificate application that asks if you are a morally religious person. Why? Because it is against the law. You can get married anywhere, not just a church.

You apply for a marriage certificate as proof that your spouse is entitled as a legal equal partner with you.

You use it for various legal matters from Social Security to health benefits and on. You just can't say "well trust me in the eye's of God we are married", no you need legal proof.

Therefore marriage has little to do with religion and more about law. So from that stand point if we are able to follow our own religious beliefs under the law, and we are of legal age to enter a contract, why is gay marriage such a problem for some people.

Stay out of my bedroom and quit telling me how I have to believe. I have legal rights too, and marriage should be one of them.

And this response is one of the main reasons I don't go to church anymore. Intolerant fools!

Taking a stand against immoral behavior in our decaying society.

I'm not willing to accept homosexual behavior any more than I am willing to accept dishonesty, avarice, or indolence.

Peddle this increasingly immoral behavior elsewhere.

The world doesn't revolve around what you accept or don't!

Peddle your immoral prejudices else where!

That's not the reason you don't go to church anymore. That's just an excuse for the real reason. You have other underlying issues...

Great responses, John and Carl!

When are members of religious cults going to accept the fact that not all people are members of the same cult? Moreover, the use of the idiotic term "femanazies" shows what these people really are: members of the low-intelligence Rush Limbaugh supremacist crowd who refuse to accept the fact that all humans are equal.

All humans are equal but not all behaviors are equal. I am so sick of gays that constantly throw their sexuality in our collective faces, clamoring for us to accept their immoral behavior.

So, Pattie, you think that people of faith have low intelligences? What an inane statement! Maybe reflecting YOUR intelligence? I have never even heard Rush Limbaugh and don't care to in the future.

Actually, things like homosexuality, infertility, death, disease, natural disasters etc are all forms of population control. We have around 7Billionish people on earth. Imagine if there were no homosexuals or infertile people, how many more people we would have on earth. I am a Christian and I believe that God loves each and everyone of His children regardless of their personal struggles and sometimes, maybe even in spite of their personal struggles. How could any loving parent cast aside their children?

Linda M, at what point have two people of the same gender ever behaved sexually in front of you? I doubt you have ever seen hand holding or kissing between two gay people, perhaps except in movies or TV. I didn't read anything in this story describing this woman as behaving sexually in front of others or indicating that she intends to while attending club functions. Human beings seeking inclusion in the same activities enjoyed by the rest of the human race are not thrusting their lifestyles in our faces or down our throats. I'd say it's the spouses in this club that are demanding that this woman accept their lifestyles - that of ignorance, bigotry and intolerance. Why does this woman want to join a club that doesn't want her? Because, in spite of their appalling ignorance and inexcusably hateful treatment of this woman, she has the honorable intention of supporting her spouse and the other active service members on that base. Maybe enough gay spouses will be able to join to actually carry out the mission of this club and benefit active service people instead of the club members just obsessing over their own genitals and what sexual activities have been carried out with said genitals!

Char Char you are a naive and weak minded individual if you let a person, who claims to be a christian and post hate on this board, take you away from Christ.

So, Pattie, you think that people of faith have low intelligences? What an inane statement! Maybe reflecting YOUR intelligence?

Linda: no, I don't think that ALL "people of faith" have low intelligence. Desmond Tutu, the Dalai Lama, John Shelby Spong, the Nuns on the bus, President Obama, and Vice President Biden, for example, are all very intelligent. Just this moronic fundamentalists with their "God, guns, gays, and "intelligent design" in the schools crowd. Rick Perry, Richard Land, Pat Robertson, Family-Research-Council wave-your-hands-at-Jesus crowd.

Moreover, most people do "throw their sexuality in other people's faces everyday, but showing in different ways, like kissing in airports, who they are having a romantic relationship with and putting wedding announcements in the newspaper.

Patty, you disqualified yourself from any thoughtful conversation when you said you think Odumbo, Idiot Biden and the moronic nuns on the bus are very intelligent. Maybe you should look up the definition of intelligence, it is not reflected in any of these fools that you mentioned. I can only wonder about your intelligence if these are the people that you look up too. If I had to guess, I would say you only made it past the sixth grade, only children can look up to these people that you named.

WOW CK, hateful much? If someone is fighting for this country's freedoms, I don't car if they are straight, gay, lesbian. They deserve the rights and freedoms that every service man or woman has. If I was in a foxhole being attacked, I'd rather have a lesbian that isn't afraid to shoot a gun than a straight person with no balls to shoot.

BS: "..Odumbo, Idiot Biden and the moronic nuns.." This reflects 'intelligence'? Somebody has to occupy the bottom of the bell curve. Welcome to the band.

Liberals are the most intolerant, screaming tolerance people I know.

Her lack of an ID was an excuse. When she asked to join she was being honest about her situation and status as a spouse not recognized by the military and asked what their policy was. The answer was they didn't have one so first they said no, then they said she could be not equal.

“In mid-November, ABOS received an inquiry from ... Ashley Broadway, requesting information on the eligibility for membership in ABOS of a same sex spouse.

I would have to say her lack of ID which would make her ineligible for medical benefits and survivor benefits considering they have children together and their status as dependants would have more impact on their lives than not being able to attend a "function".

How do they have children together, it's not possible for two lesbians to have children together or am I missing something. I thought the reason of a male and female was to have children, if it is normal for two woman or two men to be together than they should be able to pro-create, if not then it's not normal.

Barry: I just can't elevate myself to the point where I can claim to know the universal definition of 'normal'. I just don't have the credentials - and realize it.

Barry actually genetics technology has made it possible for two women to have a child together. Probably not this particular couple but the tech is still available today.

BS: "How do they have children together"? A rhetorical question, surely?

This should be one of the questions put to Hagel since he states he supports equality. If an on-base club or organization does not support equal access for all spouses, should it either be forced to do so or have its on-base privileges revoked?

There is a lot he needs to answer about this and other issues that are facing the military as well as the problems of rape and suicide, I hope he is asked about all of it.

Is this our news ? Sick of hearing it

Good God, a working miltary career woman is not good enough for these clubs? What a bunch of high school IQ level girls. I agree sea2see that Bradway would be better off not with this group. However it is sad that she will not a support group while her partner is out serving the country. What a bunch of witches, hope they remember the greatest Commandment while they are walking around with their nose on the air.

There is a lot he needs to answer about this and other issues that are facing the military as well as the problems of rape and suicide, I hope he is asked about all of it.

And I hope he addresses rape and suicide FIRST. The health & welfare of service members comes way before any stupid club membership.

And getting rid of all the weapons programs that we are purchasing, that the miltary has no use for.

Fed Up if you are sick of hearing it....why did you click on it, read it and then take the time to post a comment on it?

I hope you and your antiquated ideas are retired chief, lead follow or GET OUT OF THE WAY.

You don't know me or my religious beliefs but you not being able to write coherent sentences at even a grade school level makes you calling me a "nim-wit" really funny especially when the word is nit-wit! What's up with all the quotation marks??? You sir are an Uncommon nit-wit!

How is homosexuality immoral?

How is it not immoral? Most gays hate religion, have multiple partners, do not believe in hard work, think their issues are more important to really important issues that affect the majority, Aids is no doubt started in the US by gays, gays are abundant in hollywood and any society where debauchery is rampant.

Being gay is not progression it is regression or repetition ie... Roman Empire.

I personally don't know many peoples who are gays, but the few I know :

- do hate religion, after all religion hate them so that's quite normal.

- All the ones I know have been with their partner longer than I have been with my wife.

- Have very high standing professions, most are professionals.

I'm not going to comment about the rest of your rant as obviously every person's issues are important to that person (common sense maybe) and the aids thing is just stupid.

Plus you need to learn some history.

Oh hell... where to begin... how about at the beginning...

jrsquid

How is it not immoral?

Maybe because homosexuality is a Natural occurrence in the human race and in many animal species as well. This is scientifically documented in multiple studies. Your stance is based on a book written by men claiming it to be the words of a fantasy being in the sky. And the obvious fact that know absolutely nothing about homosexuality except it must 'freak you out'.

Most gays hate religion,

Soooo.... where do you find that tidbit of info, and what does it matter? There are many gays that post here on NV that are also religious. And so what? You would also say that I hate religion. I don't hate religion. I hate the idiotic thing people do and say because of their religion. Now THAT is probably true of "most gays" also.

have multiple partners,

Again, where do you get this info? And that's different from straight folks? Studies have shown your claim to be utterly false, just as the ridiculous claims about most pedophiles being gay. Simply not true.

do not believe in hard work,

Now THAT is probably the most ridiculous statement I've seen in days. Where DO you come up with this sh!t?

think their issues are more important to really important issues that affect the majority,

They rightfully believe that they are human beings that are deserving of the same rights and equalities as announced in the Declaration of Independence and guaranteed by the Constitution of the United States of America. I believe the American people can be 'concerned' about more that one issue at a time. And why do you believe that YOU should decide what issue is more important than another.

Aids is no doubt started in the US by gays,

Damn! No Surprise! You're WRONG again.Ever heard of Africa? THAT'S where AIDs originated. That simple fact has been known and verified since the 1980's. Again... PROOF that you have no clue what you're talking about.

gays are abundant in hollywood

And probably in your hometown too.

and any society where debauchery is rampant.

Ooooohhh. Too easy... Again... like your hometown. Again, homosexuality has been proven by scientific studies to naturally occur in many animal species as well as in humans. IT IS NOT A CHOICE! You folks deny that because you can't justify in your mind that your 'god' made someone gay but in the bible it says you can't do it.

Being gay is not progression it is regression or repetition ie... Roman Empire.

Being gay is a Natural occurrence. It is neither regression or progression. What IS progression is the realization that gay people are still, ultimately, just people.

People do things every day that I don't like. That doesn't mean what they do is wrong.

Why is the aids comment stupid, it is a fact that the aids virus in the United States was transmitted by a gay flight attendent. Maybe you should read the bible and it will tell you God thinks of gay and lesbian lifestyles.

squid: You got some real hate and fear going there.

You claim to know what is 'moral'. 'Moral' is, of course, a value judgement, rather than an absolute. You do realize that your definition of 'moral' (or mine) has absolutely nothing to do with our Constitution or Bill of Rights or their application in this nation? None whatsoever - that's fundamentally what makes this nation what it is.

Do you believe that our rights should be determined by your moral compass - rather than the documents mentioned above?

No matter how disparaging you are to others, your attitude will never elevate your status as a person or a citizen one centimeter.

To second Jo and Scuba- Looking at the gay people I know

-some are religious some are not. Those who are not don't (in general) hate religion. Many have just been pushed out of whatever they used follow, or left because of the awful way they were treated once they came out. Some are sad that they are so unwelcome at church, and wish they could join in again without having to pretend to be someone they are not.

-To be honest, my gay friends are a lot more careful sexually than my straight friends. A far greater percentage of my straight friends are spotty on their use of protection, engage in random, no strings attached sex, and are more likely to start sleeping with people before they begin dating (essentially meaning they have more friends with benefits relationships, and have more relationships that started originally as a one night stand)

-Finally, every single one of the gay people I know is college educated. Every one. Now whether they can find a job in this economy is another matter, but is shared equally by straight people.

So tired of this crap! Being gay is not natural, they where not born that way, they choose to live that life style, some maybe in a commeted relationship, but like someone else commented most have multiple partners. I know one couple and they break up, shack up with other women, and men then get back together for a short time. One is a professional, and the other is sorry and will not hold down a job. However if I was denied a membership to a club, guess what I would not care! This is just another gay person trying to get in the news and force their life style on others. Also did she have sex with a man to get pregnant? if so what does that say about their life style? Just another example of how the morals of this country are going to hell in a hand basket!

MIC-ALABAMA: how old were you when you decided for yourself that you were straight?

Joobyfoo....Everyone is born straight and decide from there what they do.. such as becoming gay, a pedophile, a prostitute, murderer, adulterer, drug addict...etc...the choice is yours..see?

Are there born serial killers and rapists? Crackheads and prostitutes? Environment and choice determines a lot.

yafool: fosho.

The gay card? LMFAO

Expected comment from a man named Earl.

"Maybe" you should --clarify-- why THINK "homosexuals" are atheists...

or you could seriously work on your punctuation.

I know a homosexual man who told me he used to believe in God, but he kept feeling guilty all the time. So he said he accepted there is no God and now he feels great! Without a conscience, you can do anything you want and justify anything. That is why I don't trust an atheist.

Jim....I believe our commander in chief is in fact bisexual..... google "larry sinclair"

James, I think what Jim means is that you can't really believe in god and the bible and believe that a gay lifestyle is ok.

ya: "I think"? I think not.

I don't agree with your life style, one of judging others, something the bibles says is wrong. Your belief that what you believe should some how affect the way others live their lives within our laws. You wouldn't be invited to sit at my table because I am very anti-bigot! Nothing infringes on your right to be homophobic as long as you don't want to be accepted by society or your belief that God is OK with your twisted thinking.

Janedoh-3004900

As a U.S. citizen, I just wish one place in this United States could remain sacred.

Just what is sacred about a social club? That really is what a spouses club is. That pretty much shoots down the rest of your argument.

I wouldn't invite Obama to my home, so don't get too offended at that...I don't agree with his lifestyle either.

His "lifestyle?????" Married, has children, has a high paying job, what part of his lifestyle don't you agree with (your once chance to show you are not racist?) While I may not agree with his views on MANY things I could see sitting down to a beer with him to have a discussion.. and if he wants to join me for dinner he just has to accept the invite knowing it won't be the Ritz.

As a U.S. citizen, I just wish one place in this United States could remain sacred. I'm sorry if that's offensive...but what about being offensive to everyone who doesn't agree with the gay lifestyle? Why do you have to force your way of living onto me? You can say that you're not...but you are. You want to be in all the clubs, religious churches, political arenas, you want your lifestyle taught to my child in school and you don't care if it infringes on my rights or beliefs

Jane: most of us here are U.S. citizens, regardless of sexual orientation, and these various organizations do not belong exclusively to you and need not exclude other citizens--which would be trampling on their rights--because of your beliefs. Your religious group is "sacred" but you have no right to ask that nonreligious public-participation groups cater to your sense of the "sacred" at the expense of others or negate another person's existence simply because you don't like him. Members of every faith and belief system have to figure out how to cope with the fact that some of their beliefs keep them from participating in something in society and deal with it as best they can. If Muslims want to attend an NFL game, they simply have to cope with the fact that beer is sold in the stadiums and the sexes do not sit separately.

Adhering to one's beliefs--whatever those happen to be--is a personal task. Your lack of agreement with the President's "lifestyle" is halarious, by the way. A married guy, never divorced, who loves his wife and has some nice children--How absolutely dreadful!

Janedoh3004900 wrote:

"As a U.S. citizen, I just wish one place in this United States could remain sacred. Sacred for whom? Sacred for everyone, or just what you deem sacred? If that's the mindset (and I wonder how ANYONE could find ANYTHING "sacred" about an officer's club), then here's a news flash for you: various people will find various things to call sacred, and exclude whomever they want on the basis of it being sacred, and sooner or later YOU will be excluded. I'm sorry if that's offensive...but what about being offensive to everyone who doesn't agree with the gay lifestyle? If you find the gay lifestyle offensive, you don't have to try it out. However, you have no right to deny a human being equal access when they aren't breaking any laws, just because YOU find them offensive. I may find your cologne offensive or your hair offensive, but I'm not gonna prevent you from walking in the door. Someone else may not find you offensive at all, and I'm okay with that.

Why do you have to force your way of living onto me? Why do you have to force YOUR way of living onto ME? You can say that you're not...but you are. READ what you wrote! You want to be in all the clubs, that she would have full access to if she were married to someone with a penis = see how ridiculous that sounds? religious churches, plenty of gay people DO believe in God, even though so many of his flock hide their hatred (of what they don't understand) in a cloak of righteous indignation, all the while ignoring the fact GAY PEOPLE COME FROM HETEROSEXUALS, and yet you hate what is made in God's image; you know, that whole "God doesn't make mistakes" thing. political arenas, Ah, that's the one you fear the most you want your lifestyle taught to my child in school If you won't teach your child to accept everyone equally, to take them on their individual merit, to treat ALL human beings with the dignity and respect they deserve, then yes, the schools will! and you don't care if it infringes on my rights Show me where you have the right to treat another human being as a second-class person? What makes YOU so damned special? or beliefs. When your "beliefs" infringe on the rights of another person, you are WRONG. You can have all the beliefs you want, but don't try to force them on others through the legal system.

We all have rights here - Fine: YOU voluntarily give up all of your spousal benefits, YOU give up everything you are allowed because you are married, YOU be prepared to be fired from a job or kicked out of your house or be denied access to your spouse when they are in the hospital, then you come back and talk about those RIGHTS and how different your life is because you don't have them!, not just the people who are so insecure Insecure? You flatter yourself, lady they go out of their way to be "accepted" by society. I was born in the USA, I pay my taxes, I've fought for this country, even to defend people like you to have the freedom of speech to say bigoted statements. I don't give a damn about your acceptance, I want my rights as a US citizen. I know I will never belong to a Gentleman's Club (I'm a woman), I know I'll never belong to the Mickey Mouse club (I'm an adult). Maybe I should throw a fit...not accept an honorary membership to the MMC...and order Disney to let me join the club or I'll make them seem like the bad guy in the whole situation. When a local gentleman's club or even Mickey starts dictating policy for all law-abiding, tax paying CITIZENS of the US, I'll stand at your side and pitch a fit with you.

I accept you as a person, that's it. No, you don't. I will treat you kindly when we meet, and say nasty little things to all your other backward-minded cronies about me when I leave the room, because the truth of the matter is you LIKE the way it makes you feel superior, you LIKE the way it makes you forget about how miserable a person you really are to hate someone, you LIKE knowing you can hide behind your hatred and exert control over another human being. but it doesn't mean I will invite you to dinner--because I don't agree with your lifestyle. I wouldn't invite Obama to my home, so don't get too offended at that...I don't agree with his lifestyle either. I may not agree with your lifestyle either, but if you were hungry, I would feed you. Even if that meant I had to eat a little less.

You have the right to live a nice life if you want. Great, then call your legislators and tell them everyone deserves the same rights you have. I'm not telling you to change, yes, you are. why do you try to make the world change for you?" Because it's the right thing to do for ALL citizens, not just the ones you want.

Who is doing the "forcing" of a lifestyle and who is being simply intolerant? I too am a person of faith and I am a military retiree who is proud of my service to my country- we should never ignore sacrifices made by servicemembers and their strong silent partners and spouses. You are absolutely correct: I too want to be in communities where we can do some good for each other and our world. But as an American who happens to be gay and married to a man that supported me in my military career, we are not afforded access to the same benefits as you and your husband- it is that simple and in a country that values equality, it is simply unjust.

Perhaps this week you will have a medical appointment covered under Tricare, the military health insurance plan, eligible due to your federally recognized heterosexual marriage- so why should my same sex marriage be discounted and render my spouse inelligble if both your husband and I have served our country honorably? And heaven forbid if you die this week, but the government affords you the privilege of being buired in a VA cemetery with the spouse you love- another heartbreaking inequality that must be exposed. You don't want want child exposed to gay people in school? Fine by me- homeschool them or find a fine religious school that supports your First Amendment views, but realize that a public school teaches kids with no respect to your particular religious view, most schools have policies that permit parents to pull kids out of curriculum on this and sex education in general and many teachers are gay or lesbian and in same sex relationationships but it has absolutely nothing to do with their ability to teach. You are simply offensive in your comparison of this woman joining a military spouse club to an adult becoming a Mouseketeer- you belittle the same sacrifices and struggles she experiences as a military spouse that you yourself have experienced. Don't fault her for wanting the same support and encouragement from other military spouses, and praise her for making an effort to be inclusive instead of creating a separate gay/lesbian spouse club which would futher destroy the community-building you yourself value. This woman has so much to offer this organization and it is their loss- and the Army's loss- if they keep the door slammed in her face.

I am glad to read you would treat me kindly, but you do not "accept me as a perso"n- this is the person I am and there is nothing like a conscious choice of "lifestyle" to it, like I was being picky about my clothes choices. When you and others throw up barriers to equality, in the name of religion in a country of constitutional laws that enshires equality for all irrespective of one's religious views, you are not treating me kindly and are as far away from the Golden Rule as you can get . Don't invite me to dinner, but remember that Jesus ate with all sorts of people- and gays and lesbians will liven up your dinner party and enrich your life- get to know some.

I am so touched by your comment!!

Jackie

I just wish one place in this United States could remain sacred.

Gees Jane. Seems you are all about that "no blacks, no jews and no gays". And which religion will make it into your sacred place? Is it all boys? All girls?

Seems your sacred place is at the end of Bigot Road.

Incoming!!! Everyone duck! THe front loaded pejoratives like racist,bigot,homophobe and others are on their way in.For God's sake,keep your heads down!

Everyone is a bigot who does not agree with you? WOW!

Janedoe: See what you get for articulating a thoughtful message to libs? Nothing but nasty messages back. Let me say in a more direct way what Janedoe was trying to say. You are sinners. You are living a sick deviant lifestyle. If YOU wish to do so feel free. Just get away from our children. We don't want them to choose this sinful lifestyle.

"The Truth"?

Just because it's already established, doesn't mean it's right. I appreciate your attempt at tolerance for the sake of your conscience. I understand your struggle with the outside forces that shape your children. But "change" is the one thing that can bring us closer to a more peaceful, humane, and equitable existance. "Change" allowed us to move past segregation, now we are challenged to actually put the struggle for civil rights to good use. "Change" allowed us to move past women being chattel, and not being able to vote. Now we are challenged to actually award equal pay for equal work. "Change" allowed us to acknowledge that Americans can be religions other than Christian, or none at all, and not be forced to pray to Jesus before political meetings, or attend court sessions under a document supported by only one (majority) faith. Now we are challenged to find the place where all religions can shape people's lives as THEY choose, not as chosen for them by the majority. "Change" allowed us to right past wrongs, acknowledge the necessity for living documents, respect the human dignity and worth of all people without fear of reprisal from our government or fear for our lives from a fringe. Now we are challenged to make these changes a reality so that we can come together as equals, but equals who bring a richness of ancestry, gender, religion, culture and experience to the communal pot. Please contribute responsibly.

Well said. I am really tired of the "gays" trying to push their lifestyles on everyone who does not agree with it. I too will be respectful of them but that's it.

Yes, "SDN", The Truth! Something that you and your " sheep-like hate-bleaters" can't seem to grasp or choose not to because it's the "new norm" to accept deviant behavior! When I was younger and more "open-minded" (so I thought!/or didn't think!), every new fad/idea that became overall popular at the timewas OK/cool with me so I'd be accepted by the "cool.hip/groovy crowd".(baaa) Then I grew up, aaccepted Christ as my Lord and Savior, and decided to follow Him instead of the World.

Janedoh-3004900,

Don't listen to these turds. Stick to your moral convictions and beliefs. Don't let some of these insipid oxygen thieves get to you. Their rationalization to reason with an abomination in nature is ludicrous and a complete fabrication to justify lust, sloth, and pride for personal hedonism.

Liberals, the most intolerant, tolerant screaming people!

Unbelievable. I read through the replies to my comment and it amazes me that I was the one being called a bigot. Do you realize the hate that was just thrown at me? Look in the mirror, people. I never judged you, but boy did you judge me.

Do you realize that just because I said I wouldn't invite Obama to dinner I was called a racist? His skin doesn't matter, and that is definitely NOT why I said that. To the couple of responses who said his lifestyle is simply his marriage and having children...stop being silly. Lifestyle is much more than that. The part of his lifestyle I don't agree with is him taking 20 day family vacations in the middle of a budget crisis ON MY DIME. Did any of you catch how much that cost the taxpayer? Before you get your panties in a bunch...I do think he deserves a vacation, when the time is right. He used poor judgement on that one.

Chuck--thank you for your response, the most eloquent and eye-opening response of all. I do believe your spouse deserves the benefits of Tricare, burial, etc. I actually believed that before reading your comment, though I can see how it didn't appear that way. I guess I was just irritated that the spouse's club was trying to work with the spouse in the article and she refused them, perhaps justifiably.

Cathy V.--way to twist every word I said. First, I'd like to say that you don't know me. You jumped to some massive conclusions there. I've taught my children to love others and that I'll love them no matter what, straight, gay, stripper, wal-mart employee, murderer, etc. What really irritated me the most was your assumption that I would say "nasty little things" behind people's backs. Nope, not me but nice try at painting me as a horrible person.

Girl Kryptonite--not a bad response at all, but you are flawed in a couple places. Women still do not receive equal pay (about 77 cents per dollar actually) after all these free-to-vote years. Also, not being "forced to pray" is just proving my point really. What if I want to pray? What if my son's entire school classroom wanted to say a prayer? They're not allowed to because people who don't believe have taken that right away from them. Pray in silence? Why can't I pray out loud? Free speech, as long as it isn't prayer. My "tolerance" as you put it, is not for my conscience. I treat others kindly because it's the right thing to do. The right thing to do here is to let this spouse join the club as a spouse, not an honorary member. But, it's up to the club to do the right thing here, not up to her.

The Truth 2190315, stop trolling and learn to read. Never try to translate what I say again.

Jane -

Not unbelievable at all. It is what you can expect when you post an opinion contrary to what the seeming majority on "hateVine" hold.

Some of the rest of us applaud you for stating your thoughts/values in a very readable manner without the typical insults and denigrations we see in so many posts.

Jane,

MPA is correct. Though I don't agree with all of your statements the eloquence and polite manner in which you stated your case (as usual) is certainly respected by many of us.

Sadly there are many people on the vine that can only revert to name calling when your words don't support their agenda.

I will say this on topic, while I understand that certain things are uncomfortable- it doesn't mean that you support any cause just because you tolerate what you can't comprehend.

Janedoh-3004900

As a U.S. citizen, I just wish one place in this United States could remain sacred.

DOH! is right! OMFG! It's called "Church!" Keep that as 'sacred' as you want. Keep your church of hypocrites. This is a 'spouses club.'

Do you even know what the word sacred means?

devoted or dedicated to a deity or to some religious purpose; consecrated.

Morgan1

Look how fat Lt. Col. Heather Mack is!

If she were straight she would have been kicked out of the service by now.

you do realize she is pregnant, per the story?

But.. she's 9 months pregnant.

Although the 'wife' or 'woman' is pregnant, it can't be by her 'spouse'......Maybe someone is playing around with a man...............

Look how fat Lt. Col. Heather Mack is!.....you do realize she is pregnant, per the story?

OUCH!! Thats going to leave a mark!

Concerned Reader-7454868

Although the 'wife' or 'woman' is pregnant, it can't be by her 'spouse'......Maybe someone is playing around with a man...............

It's called S C I E N C E. A little thing commonly called 'artificial insemination.' In vitro fertilization is the correct term if I'm not mistaken. Been around quite a while now. (The first successful baby was born in 1978.) It's also very widely used by heterosexual couples that can't get pregnant otherwise. Something the 'right' seems to have no problem with until the 'spares' come into the picture. BTW, shouldn't these couples be denied the right to marry if they can't procreate naturally? Isn't that why the 'right' claims homosexuality isn't 'natural?'

God is unconditional love - the beginning the middle and the end past infinity... inside us... in the very heart of us all.

You're right. People do make mistakes.

But at some point, they can start waking up, get past the human foibles and become godlike. After all, it is our true nature to become so.

Nicely put. These small minorities are nothing but whiners and troublemakers. Funny how they want everyone and every group to accept their abnormal lifestyle.

Ya, these flap lickers want to be treated like normal. That's just plain crazy talk right? Why would anyone wish to be treated the same as everyone else. Maybe the other wives don't think she can provide enough conversation about smoking their husbands meat whisltes.

astounded: You're right, of course. The power to enjoy the rights guaranteed by the Constitution and the Bill of Rights - no more, no less. Super Civil Rights? Can't find that in the Constitution.

reality: Accepting lifestyles is what America is all about. "Abnormal", in the context of US Citizenship, is not accepting other's lifestyles.

What hogwash. Every time someone asks for equal treatment, the bigots scream they want special treatment.

My understanding is that the lady that is married to the Marine Lt Col. has the right to submit an application to be considered for membership. The Ladies that are members of the club have the right to vote on applications for membership, the right to choose their associates and companions. The spouse of the Marine doesn't possess the required paper work that would give her access to full membership....a military spouse ID...I fail to see how she is being denied her rights.

Fat pregnant and gay. What a world this is coming to be. She has a Baby by a man or other. Marries a gay women instead of a man, And looks like she could stop eating for a long long time. I thought are Military had some kind of health code. But i guess the Military is going gay as will. Your for a thing or not. You that say gay is ok are just as bad as the gays. Gays some how have a lot of power in government and state, Kids now days don't stand a chance with all this unGodly @!$%# going on. America is going to hell and fast. It's sad this was a great country now it's going gay. Do you think they will have a gay flag too. A gay day. Will the Military, That is the gay Military come after STRAIGHT people be for to long? All this is possible. A gay Corps is in the making right now. Think kids have trouble now just wait. And those in government that say they care for are kids are for gays, So what does that tell you. It's just a matter of time.

You're clearly unaware that there is such as thing as a sperm donor, huh?

If any man here wants to bitch about 'fat', pregnant, lesbian women who are in the military and isn't in the military himself, I suggest you haul your ass down to the recruiter and sign on the dotted line. Less than 1% of this country's population serves in the military so that the rest of you jerks can sit around and complain.

I was in the military. And what would these sick people do if there were no sperm banks. When i was in the military there were health codes and dress codes. Not any more. And look how things are. Gays have all was been here and have all ways been looked down on for more then one reason. It's a unGodly way of life. But you being gay i can see how hard that is to take . If your sick get help.