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PHILADELPHIA -- A woman escaped with only cuts and bruises after being thrown onto subway tracks during a vicious attack in Philadelphia.
The assailant and the 23-year-old victim were alone at the SEPTA subway station in the city's Chinatown on Tuesday afternoon. After being asked to help light a cigarette, the woman was assaulted, dragged onto the landing and then thrown onto the tracks.
SEPTA Chief of Police Thomas Nestel said the woman was fortunate to walk away with only minor injuries.
"It's horrifying," Nestel added. " When you see that happen, you think the worst. We all know that there is a tremendous electric source. You touch that, you die."
Nestel said he decided to not immediately release the video and culprit's description because the attacker had worn a very distinct jacket and he was confident that was their best lead.
He accepted that was risky approach, but "it's also risky to put that information out. He gets rid of that coat and I lose my best chance to get a dangerous man off the streets."
The suspect was nabbed by a SEPTA officer two days later. Police said he was wearing the same jacket and was carrying the victim's cellphone.
Nestel praised the arresting officer:
Transit Police SGT Nicole Lawson is the hero of the day! She caught the man who beat, robbed and threw a woman onto the tracks. Nice work!
— Thomas J. Nestel III (@TNestel3) January 18, 2013
Related:
Raw video of subway attack from NBC10


Lack of respect for life, lack of parenting, lack of the ability to behave like a human.yet another example of today's youth, and in particular today's young African American male. (But we shouldn't talk about that, should we? That would be racist!)
There surely must be a statistical prevalence, and it may spring from the gang mentality of "I'll take it if I want it and kill you if you try and stop me!" I agree with the McGusto, charge him with attempted murder. Great job by the transit cop Nicole Lawson!
yes it sure would be racist because by mentioning that we can guess that most likely that's a component of where you are coming from.
If you had sad "sadly, statistically it is most likely to be a young Black male" you wouldn't be called racist and if ou were they'd be mistaken as that's factual. You are coming from an "already waiting for a accusation" place, chip on your shoulder.
Do you actually think that Blacks because of their skin color/race are innately prone to violence and disrespect for life? in the inner city, the poor tend to be very largely Black people...could it be that the poor raise kids like that more often? Perhaps that if you are poor you are likely only to have one parent?
These aren't excuses. there are reasons for the higher rate of incarceration and some say perpertration by young Black men. They are sociological reasons. Parenting or poverty or not having a male role model or places to go after school (no lessons like rich and middle class kids, less team sports available). Today's society shows you oh so well what others have. It's probably so @!$%#ty now a days to grow up poor/without you have no denial of your lack
not excuses but reasons beyond skin color that Black males go off on the wrong track perhaps more often than white males (if that is so). Because people are poeple and it's not about race itself. That's why when people make it about race itself it's suspicious for racism. Thats why people have called you and those making comments like yours racist (you wouldn't be so knee jerk proactively defensive if you had not been or seen people so accused you THOUGHT unfairly).
By the way, a very high percentage of White Americans have subconcious racial bias against Black. There is a psychological test you can take...it's subconicous you can't hide it. I think the percentage was 60 or 70 percent. Racism and bias happens so often I think Black people like everyone is think it's there sometimes when it may happen not to be. But usually they and sensitive others who call someone on racism are correct. They have a 70% chance of being so.
Watching the video ran chills up my spine.
Subways run on electricity for a reason. Because they run underground and it would be deadly if there were fumes.
There is what they call a "third rail" that is highly electrifies. One touch and you're dead. She's extremely lucky she didn't touch it.
wow, thought this only happened in NYC.
It's time to clean out the '"Gene Pool". Mental illness or not, this attacked needs permanently removed from society. This is just another example of why people should always be armed. The authorities do a decent job but 99.9% of the time they are there AFTER the a person is already dead or seriously injured. I don't believe it is racist to say that Black Youth are out of control and are acting like animals and vicious animals need controlled. The truth hurts and ignoring the issue is not going to make it any better. This group has been given every chance (free everything for decades) and they throw the opportunity away. The "free ride" is over and they need to take personal responsibility for their actions and not blame others for their actions (only O'Bama can do that). If one segment of the population commits the majority of violent crimes, it is not racist to target that group. If they don't want to be targeted, stop doing the crime.
Cameras come to the rescue again. NYC has the most cams in a Amer. city; now if only other cities would cam-up!
What I don't get is that with so many cameras all around, why criminals take the chance to do wrong.
Sally- maybe it is because they flat out don't care.
@ JoeB,
If you feel the need to be armed everywhere you go, that's your decision. You certainly have the right to defend yourself. And certain areas, like a subway station by yourself at night, you probably should be armed. That doesn't mean we need to be armed to the teeth just to walk down the street, but if you want to carry something to defend yourself then that's your right so long as you don't abuse it.
However, I don't see how you can say race is a part of it. You act as if every single young black person in America is responsible for all our crime. That is simply NOT true. Newsflash, many of the perpetrators in recent mass shooting have been WHITE! This just shows that you are out of touch and a major bigot to blame race on crime. And yes, what you said was very racist. And what sort of twisted thing do you mean by, "clean out the gene pool?" Don't you realize the Nazis said the same thing? I think you just lost any credibility you may have ever had with that one post!
Yes it is a racist comment. Not all young black men do these things. As a metter of fact, a very small percentage of young black men do these things. It's really more a matter of perception and the kind of news that gets reported. good acts don't necessarily sell news.
If this homeless guy had been white, no one would have brought any of this race bs up. And there are plenty of white homeless people as well, and unfortunately a decent amount with mental health problems. But because he happened to be black, everyone is already talking about the young black youth and how they are so crime prone. It is simply silly to blame this on race.
No one said this after that whack job in the movie theater dressed as the Joker shot it up at a premier. No one said anything about race after the Sandy Hook shooter shot up our kids in an elementary school. They were both white. But because this one was black, all the racists and closet racists come out to play. It's only an issue in a bigoted mind.
However, all these people were at the very least suspected to be mentally ill. That shows the true problem which is not the color of one's skin, but mental health. We should be doing more to focus on that, instead of obsessing over skin color. Some of you people are unbelievable.
And that is why you should arm yourself. Blow maggots like that away. They don't deserve the air they breathe.
There is a difference between racism and prejudice. Let's not confuse the two.
Racism is when assumptions are made because of an individual's DNA. Whether that is a valid assumption or not, I do not know. But until someone can prove scientifically that it is the DNA and not the environment that causes bad behavior, I will assume that racisim is an invalid perspective.
I'm not racist, but when I see anyone who looks like a thug, I assume that person is a thug. That is prejudice and it's not always a bad thing to have.
The best lesson I ever got in my life was when I was very young, when prejudice and racism were pervasive. ("Amos and Andy" were still on television, even.) I was in a chess club and I got checkmated by a black chess player who was 2 or 3 years younger than I was. Then he won again, and then for a third time in a row.
It was important for me to learn this, especially at such a young age, because it gave me the insight to know that general population consensus is basically a mob mentality.
As far as criminal demographics goes, it is the result of a very complex function. But I will doubt very much that it's based in large part on DNA until someone proves otherwise, scientifically.
Violence is violence, it knows no color.
I don't care if this guy is white, black, yellow or green he should NEVER see the light of day again. Institution, jail, penitentiary or 6 foot under, that should be his destiny. This guy should be put to death because throwing another person on to subway tracks meant he wanted to see her fry...I would make sure it was HER that watched him fry.
This seems to be happening alot lately. I guess it's time to ban subways.
This not an example of all Black youths and for you to say that is not only racist, but IGNORANT!!! You want to talk about young people let's talk about young white males, you know the one that went to a movie theater in Aurua CO, or the one that went to a elementary school and shot and killed 20 children in Newton MA or the one that shot Con. Gilford I could keep going, but I'll stop there; how's that for parenting. You and people like you need to keep your mouth shut if you don't know what to say. Bad and ignorant people come in ALL races, obviously something your mother didn't teach you.
i wonder if they found a gun on him? or was he trying tokill her without a gun?
@ inMyday
It amazes me what some people believe is an actual excuse for these things. When you said,
"I'm not racist, but when I see anyone who looks like a thug, I assume that person is a thug. That is prejudice and it's not always a bad thing to have."
What exactly did you mean by "looks like a thug?" I sincerely hope that you don't mean because they have black skin. Did you think the shooter in Sandy Hook "looked like a thug" like this one did? Because he didn't "look like a thug" until he came around with an assault weapon to shoot up an elementary school. By then it's too late. Looks alone can't tell you who is dangerous and who is not. Often looks are deceiving.
I also found it very peculiar that you brought up losing in chess to a black person, as if the color of your opponent's skin mattered or that losing a board game to a black person was relevant to the conversation because they had a different skin color than you did. I failed to see what point that had. What, did you think that dark skin = bad strategist? Because that is all I can seem to get from that, and it certainly would be a very racist view.
Prejudice isn't necessarily racism, because it could be prejudice against other things than just skin color. But prejudice against a certain skin color is the very definition of racism. And either way, prejudice is never a good thing. Prejudice, which you even freely admit to having, only serves to incorrectly distort ones views based on an irrational hate and bias against a certain group of people. And prejudice against blacks, which is what you appear to have based on that being the only content of the examples you gave of your prejudice, is not only bad but indeed very racist.
You claim you are not a racist, but based on what you said I can only infer that you indeed are a closet racist. And no, it is not justified.
you're right, there most certainly IS a problem with "today's young African American male."
People like Charles Whitman, John Hinckley, Randy Weaver, David Koresh, Timothy McVeigh, Eric Harris & Dylan Klebold, Jeff Weise, Charles Carl Roberts, Seung-Hui Cho, Jared Loughner, James Holmes, and Adam Lanza are perfect examples of this...
oh wait...
Just great. If she would have died there would be a renewed push to ban subways.
i hope he get's stomped...man that was a viscous attack...he done on that girl...looks like attempted murder...
anybody notice the reporter? she was dusted on something...
God of fate,
You missed my point. Based on your assumptions and by how you interpreted my post, you also revealed some of your own, subjective prejudice.
Let me explain it for you.
I learned at a very young age that racism is stupid. Why is that a bad thing?
We are all prejudiced in some way about some things and prejudice is not necessarily irrational. It is a survival mechanism. We use our experience to evaluate circumstances. This has nothing to do with race. I am prejudiced to think that what appears to be prosititute will either carry an STD or be an undercover police officer. I am prejudiced to think that a person with no teeth and damaged skin who is asking me for money is likely to be a meth addict.
"Looks like a thug" means exactly that and no more. For you to assume that I implied anything about skin color makes you prejudiced, doesn't it?
Argue all you wish. I've stated my position. If you don't like it, don't read it.
The problem is that some will see this as an example off all black youth, just as some people see the Newtown shooter as an example of all gun owners. We tend to judge all on the information we recieve unfortunatly our media seems to relish the negative and dismiss the positive in many cases.
Maybe it's not that the attacker is Black, but that he is a smoker. So let us all beware of smokers, especially those asking for a light. They all have the potential to rob and murder us. Right?
Well, InMYday, at least we get to hear from you that you have a race issue and you don't care. Great to know. It's clear that you have a real problem when you have to give YOUR definition of what racisim is in order to pick and choose the things that make you look best. Be quiet, nobody wants to hear that crap.
Sally,
Because "criminals" are dumber than dumb. Smart as a box of hammers. That's why.
Even when they see them they probably have the mentality saying to themselves that they're probably fake, don't work or are not even on. The A-hole affect. It comes "naturally" within criminals.
@ inMYday,
Not a bad recovery on the surface. But based on some other things in your post, I could only assume what the message as a whole meant and get what I got from that. It is one thing to say you aren't a racist, and another to actually talk like you aren't a racist. I could go into further detail, but I feel like I already went into enough before in my last comment. The point here, though, is that the general vibe from the words you wrote, whether or not you intended it to be that way, did imply this. And not because I am prejudice, but because I actually tried to find meaning behind what you said.
First of all, your argument to try and justify prejudice is not only ignorant but disturbing. There is a huge difference between allowing irrational bias to slant your views based merely off of prejudice, and evaluating objectively and rationally. And as much as you say you claim you learned your lesson and that you realize racism is stupid, many of the things you say hint otherwise. Now I don't know you. Maybe you have indeed learned your lesson very young and are no longer a racist. But I can only go off of what you said here. And the truth is that I don't see why you would feel the need to justify prejudice if you weren't holding on to a little bit of that racism, even if only subconsciously. Sorry, that argument doesn't sit well.
And again, many of the people who perpetrate crimes don't exactly "look like thugs," like the Sandy Hook shooter. You act as if your "prejudice" will protect you from danger. It is important to be aware of your surroundings, but to simply rely on things looking a certain way is at the very least stereotypical and unrealistic. The prejudice that you claim is so valuable will actually mislead you more often than not. Given all that, I hope you can see why someone reading this might think that this alone might be a hint of a certain deeper bias. And given the rest of your comment, which had plenty of other at the very least odd things in it, well I hope you can at the very least understand how it comes off that way. And honestly, I'm personally still not convinced you are over this based on what you have been saying. Whether or not my views on that matters to you is irrelevant, but since you cared enough to respond once I figured you at least deserved to know.
It has nothing to do with the color of their skin. It is all about an economic status and the psychological effect of the high concentration of people. It used to be that around 90% of people born into an economic category will stay within that level. In other words 90% of people who are born into Welfare will stay there, 90% of Middle Class will stay there, etc. 5 % are able to climb to the next level and unfortunately 5 % fell to the level below.
More recently, because of the mismanagement of the economy by both political parties, the rate of those falling downward has increased and the ratio of those leveling up has decreased. When you concentrate large groups of people with limited income, no hope of changing their lives for the better and sub-par "Free" education (a whole separate problem) they are going to act out of fear, lack of respect for themselves and others, and out of self interest, regardless of the color of the their skin.
It will be hard to deal with the concentration of people in a city, most people, again, stay near to where they are born or choose to move to a city because of the potential of economic benefit through a job or access to public services. The only solution is to have people move away. But then we have places like Detroit to see how that works out.
Finding a way to increase the Middle class (shrinking both the poor and the wealthy or super-wealthy as we have now), instead of destroying it would go a long way to rebuilding our country and the former social morality that prevailed. However the politicians, at all levels and from both political parties (despite what they say, what their news organization mouthpieces promote and what their blind, faithful followers parrot around the office cooler), are more interested in grabbing what they can while they are in office.
As the unchecked economic problems grow and the national debt increases the ranks of the poor will swell and the actions in this news article will become the norm in our society - not because of skin color or genetic makeup.
Wisco, god of fate and others,
Thanks for sharing your perspective. Have a nice day.
Its crazy that anyone would even bring up race in this case
A) its Philadelphia, 43% of the population is black so the odds of a crime being committed by a black person is probably about 50% when you factor in social economic issues that would affect someones status in the city... like being raised around ridiculous prejudices that would make someone assume that just because your skin is dark you're uneducated, poor, incompetent, untrustworthy etc. If you grow up aware that these are the perceptions of you (and black ppl are fully aware) it makes it hard to achieve your potential.
B) The man was mentally ill. It has nothing to do with skin color unless you're referring to the fact that in the black community mental illness goes largely untreated and undiagnosed because of stigma (both the stigma of being "crazy" and the stigma that "he's one drugs" or "he's just looking for drugs") and lack of resources.
If you stay ignorant about the problems and use the simplest cues to blame (hes black, he has a big jacket, his hair is in braids, hes a thug) then nothing will ever get fixed.
We must ban subways, they are evil and dangerous killers. This poor young man is being blamed for something he had no control over...right liberals?
Why are you singling out African American males? The Sandy Hook shooter, as well as the Aurora Colorado Theater shooter, was white. The person who shot Gabby Giffords in the head in Tucson Arizona was white.
If you didn't know, 20 children died in the Sandy Hook massacre. They were shot point blank multiple times with an assault rifle.
12 people lost their lives in the Aurora shooting.
6 people died in the Tucson shooting.
Are you trying to deflect attention from the problems brewing in YOU'RE own community?
@InMyDay,
I fully get what youre saying. Yes prejudices are in a way a way for us to protect ourselves. I think the better word would be to say 'instincts' though.
What you are saying is that when you were younger you were taught (whether consciously or not) that black ppl aren't as clever as white ppl and (Im assuming) that our place in this world is for entertainment (singing dancing, playing sports,) and that Asian ppl are really smart....BUT that changed when you were younger and was playing chess against a black guy who you assumed would be easy to beat based on the color of his skin. You were wrong and that made you reevaluate why you would think that and it changed your way of thinking and how you perceived people. I dont find this racist...racist would be saying this and then stating after "but that didnt change my views on black ppl at ALL"
Anyone that says that they see ppl on the street and have no perception of who they might be (STD ridden hooker, undercover cop, meth addict) are either liars or dangerously naive about the world they live in. Im not saying your interactions with ppl should be based solely on first impressions but we have basic instincts for a reason.
gday67
"This seems to be happening alot lately. I guess it's time to ban subways."
Try to be a little more original when you post, that one has had its 15 minutes, and no longer illustrates the cleverness of the poster. Just the opposite.
Not a race issue, I'll agree, and not a revenge issue, either. It's about what our penal/justice system is supposed to do - rehabilitate, or remove from society. Unfortunately, it has evolved into an ineffectual system that only works when it's targeting the poor, underprivileged, and now, the middle class.
Rose colored glasses,
Thanks for your post. Some people get it.
Example: Abraham Lincoln was racist, and in today's world his perspective is similar to white supremists'.
Humans are blessed with the ability to change. Hopefully we can evolve beyond racism. Some of us have already.
We are so screwed up as a human race. Absolutely nothing surprises me anymore. So is this the new terror besides shooting people? It appears to be. People scared to shop in malls, go to a movie, go to SCHOOL, go to work. Nothing is safe anymore. It's disgusting no matter what race you are.
Only a liberal would see that video of a woman being beaten and robed and think there needs to be a glass wall with some doors, don't pay any attention to the fact that that guy just attacked the woman as she sat there waiting for a train that is not the problem the problem is the lack of a wall, what is wrong with you people? are you allowed to vote? apparently you are, now lets put a ban on people waiting for trains.
I really do miss America where did it go?
Max 108... And exactly when would she have pulled this imaginary gun??? Watch the video. Pocket or purse she wouldn't have had time. Then he would have gotten away with a phone AND a gun. That's the whole joke about the "carrying concealed for protection" myth. This was violent and horribly sudden and he undoubtedly planned it a soon as he saw her sitting alone. Also, predators come in all colors and a good number of the above comments are evidence that there are still diehard bigots among us. Thank all the higher powers this young lady wasn't hurt more seriously. In my days of riding the subway in Chicago I always had my hand in my purse on my pepper spray if I was alone on the platform. Never had to use it but glad I had it. Much easier to get out and activate than a stupid gun and just as effective.
Wow, plenty of things to address. First of all, the perp appears to be white. He's wearing a dark ski mask, but when he turns around, I believe that is white skin around his eyes. I may be wrong, however, and I really don't approve of cops deciding not to release racial details to locate some guy who almost killed a lady who had tried to help him. Yeah, the detective is absolutely correct that the guy could just ditch his jacket, and much of you are incorrect that racial details don't matter. Race is not skin color. There are albino blacks, but they are still black. There are whites with deep tans, but they are still white. Skin color matters when discussing skin cancer, but not crime. Race, however, does matter when discussing crime.
Also, there is a huge difference between an assumption of zero versus an assumption of 100%. We don't have to assume that ALL blacks are criminals nor do we have to assume that NONE of them are. It is quite possible to assume, instead, that some blacks are criminals and some aren't, but that blacks are statistically several times more likely to commit crime than other races, and our assumptions would be completely factually correct. Even the Reverand Jesse Jackson admitted that when he was in a dark alley at night and turned around to find the footsteps behind him belonged to a white man, he was relieved. And I was relieved when he admitted this, because that's exactly how I feel!
ImMYDay, you said "as far as criminal demographics goes, it is the result of a very complex function. But I will doubt very much that it's based in large part on DNA until someone proves otherwise, scientifically."
Black versus white crime rates are comparable to male versus female crime rates. Blacks commit about 6 times as much crime as whites, and men commit about 6 times as much crime as women. If blacks want to cry discrimination, perhaps men should cry that as well. Obviously, this proves the cops are only arresting men, right? Of course, I can name several black street gangs, but I can't think of a single white one. Blacks are actually more violent in wealthy, liberal areas than in poor, conservative ones. Take a look at some of the most affluent black cities. For instance, Baldwin Hills, California ("the black Beverly Hills") has a median income of $157,033 as well as a violent crime rate 4 times the national average. The same is true for the surrounding affluent black areas, with much more wealth AND crime than most of the rest of Los Angeles.
Meanwhile, the white poverty stricken areas of Mississippi, West Virgnia, Kentucky, and Arkansas, not to mention the Appalachian Hills and Amish country all have something in common - violent crime rates BELOW the national average! Would you expect the murder rate to be higher in a place where the monthly rent for a 1 bedroom apartment is $500 a month, as it is in Kentucky, or $1300 a month - the price in Oakland, California? If the reason for all of the gang activity in Oakland is because blacks are poor, perhaps they should pick up and move to a place like Kentucky, where they can afford the rent. If black teens had to get up with the sun and perform farm work, as many white kids across the country must (especially in the poorer areas of America), I suspect we'd see a drastic drop in crime by these, no longer idle, teens. And those farm kids can rarely afford to go to college, either. Many join the military, instead.
I'll hand you this - black crime has more than quadrupled since the Civil Rights movement, so the problem probably has more to do with lack of accountability than DNA. No matter how many whites go on killing sprees, blacks still murder whites at a rate of about 20 times the reverse in this country. At least we can take solace that the black versus white crime discrepancies in more liberal countries like Sweden dwarf ours.
Hang this mother@!$%#er!!
I got it and I agree with everything you wrote. I always cross over or stop and allow anyone looking like a thug, to go in front of me. Many of them wear hoodies too and I make no apology.
Your comment was to the point, eloquent, intelligent. I have no idea how it could be misinterpreted.
He should move to Oakland.
Black on Asian crime there has become a sport.
Is there some reason we cant build walls and doors in front of the trains.
Japan has them.
China has them.
Have we not mastered the art of automatic sliding doors?
American administrators will tell you it's too expensive. They don't use the subway so it isn't cost effective for such measures.
Heaven forbid we should do something that would save lives in this country.
This person clearly has no care for human life. So let us take his away from him.
OBAMA: We must limit trains to ten cars or less.
You're an idi_t .
Oh come on. Build sliding doors into every subway station in America? Oh, and people get pushed into the street and get hit by cars ... so should we enclose all our streets as well? You can't protect everybody from everything.
whatswrongwithus2
Lack of respect for life, lack of parenting, lack of the ability to behave like a human.yet another example of today's youth, and in particular today's young African American male. (But we shouldn't talk about that, should we? That would be racist!)
But do you say the same thing for the 4 white young adults who killed the two guys who were at their home and one of the four folks who did it has a parent who is the sergeant on the police department and already I am already I am reading that that boy had "mental issues." Ever notice that white folks have mental issues, but black folks have no respect for life, lack of parenting, lack of ability to behave like a human. Do we say the same about white folks who kill others? Notice white folks have the built in excuse for crime, mental illness, drug abuse, alchol abuse, neglectful parents, but blacks are just wild. BTW, I hope they fry this idiot for what he did.
we should all just live in bubbles. It is safer. This world is sick. People are sick and dumb. People insult those that own guns but how can you not in this world? At any point some moron can attack you out of nowhere. If someone attacked me, I will gladly take care of him myself rather than wait for the police to leave the donut shop and throw my body in a bag. I will protect myself and my family as much as I can. Gov't will never take away guns because the day they try, Civil War 2 will erupt.
HomyDontLikeTheBuzz, well homy, your president odumbo is trying to protect us dumb people by taking away assault weapons that kill very few people why not take away cars and baseball bats, these 2 items kill more people than guns. If he wants to really protect we dumb people he should stop sending billions of our tax dollars to arab/muslim countries and build "The Great Wall of America", it would do two things, 1) stop illegals from coming into our country and then pushing for their rights, 2) it would put thousands upon thousands of Legal Americans back to work in many fields and open up business that would produce these items needed to built the wall. Oh, one more thing, it would then become a tourist attraction that would generate dollars for our greedy, spend happy president and congress.
It was primarily a gender-based crime.
Then racial. = cowardly young male who never should've been conceived and was badly parented beating up and trying to kill a young female.
What is the real truth-----maybe she deserved to be thrown onto the tracks---I understand that certain men were thrown in front of the train--the kind that acted strange towards other men---1955
God forbid if we spent money where it is needed...before accidents occur. This country likes to wait for accidents to happen!! What does it take for our government to provide mental health. Oh wait, that is only for the rich, why should we provide it to society to those who cannot afford it. Nothing like being part of the problem!! Not everything should be about money...it should be about saving a life!!
By the way, anyone who is interested in the facts about this case. They man in custody is WHITE!! Gee, what a surprise!! Must be a mistaken identity. (sarcasm)
Found out from a friend that is a police officer at the precint where he has been booked.
Was there any particular reason u felt compelled to interject race into the subject ?
Alan, no one deserves to be thrown onto subway tracks.
The suspect was identified by Philly PD as William Clark. He had a prior criminal record. NO information has been released on his ethnicity. I cannot fathom why people here immediately jumped to the conclusion that he is black. I mean, with that name, I think we can safely say he's not Asian or Latino. But he could be either black or white.
CaliforniaFirst
The suspect was identified by Philly PD as William Clark. He had a prior criminal record. NO information has been released on his ethnicity. I cannot fathom why people here immediately jumped to the conclusion that he is black. I mean, with that name, I think we can safely say he's not Asian or Latino. But he could be either black or white.
Watch the video doofus first. He is black.
If the US banned ghetto black men, that would do more for stopping murders and lowering violence in this country than banning guns ever could.
Never mind.. I take back my previous post. They just released his mug shot. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/18/philadelphia-subway-attack_n_2502047.html
Looks like y'all are right. Well. about his ethnicity, not about all this racist BS some are spouting here.
Don't know where julieann got her info on his race, but I've watch the film on my television and on the computer and the man is black. Doesn't really matter what is race is, he is a discustiong person and has no respect for other humans that are weaker than him. If the young lady had carried her gun, this probably wouldn't have happen. Finally, do you think he would be the type that would turn in his assult rifle, that he bought with his ill gotten gain?
You very smart official's better start looking at banning the subways. Isn't that three in a month thrown on it?
all I can say is thank God this young lady didn't have a gun to protect herself with
...the MSNBC headline would read: "Young Black Boy Shot by Trigger-Happy Woman in Philly Subway"
And those are just the ones thrown on. I've read that several people die each week in this country from accidentally falling onto subway tracks. Those don't even make the news, nationwide.
Alan Fischer some will call you a troll. I say that you 'do not have an elevator that can reach the top floor'.
Here we have another incident by a mental patient. Some time ago Government decreed that such people who could be returned to normal by medication should be released back into the public as they would not be a danger to themselves or others. Unfortunately there are often side effects to the medication and these people stop taking it and revert back to their abnormal state. The real purpose was to reduce government cost to institutionalize these people not to keep the public safe, wrong decision. The result is many of the wandering homeless people are mental patients existing on the fringes of society. Government needs to take more resonsiblity for these people.
Fre-2427257 I apologize if this ends up a repeat but nbc appears to have lost my comment so... Mr. Fre.... when exactly would she have pulled her gun if she had one? This was violent and abrupt and no way she had time to react. That's the joke about the myth that "carrying concealed" protects anyone. In her pocket or in her purse, no way could she have defended herself. It would just have resulted in him getting away with her phone AND a gun! In my days of riding the subway in Chicago I always kept one hand in my pocket on my pepper spray if I found myself alone on a platform. Easy to get to and just as effective as a stupid gun. Also I agree with some of the commenters above, sadly for this country there are still bigots alive and well out there. Predators come in ALL colors. Thank all the higher powers that this young woman was not more seriously hurt. What a horrible experience for her.
Well, there's some contradiction for you. You'd have had time to use the pepper spray in your pocket, but this victim wouldn't have been able to use a gun.
Does pepper spray fire through cloth?
You should think before you post.
I've watched the video, and it looks to me like she would have had several seconds, while she was being assaulted and dragged onto the landing, to pull a gun and fire it. Even if she had missed, the guy would more than likely have taken off running.
I imagine anyone that would do what this attacker did to an innocent, unsuspecting victim has some mental problems (as the police said), but I am really getting fed up with that being some sort of excuse.
Lots of people grow up in dysfunctional environments or have mental issues, but they do not go around commiting acts of violence.
I hope he goes to prison for life for attempted murder. This man is a danger to society.
I wonder why many other news web sites are showing the accused's mug shot that certainly indicate he is a black man but somehow NBCSnooze is never able to get those media releases?
Alan Fisher is a nut job that just got on the net a few months ago and I bet he has more assault weapons than he should.
Thanks W
You can see he is white in the video. Look at the area around his eyes!!! Or not!
Here is a link to see a picture of the guy. Is he black or white? You decide.
http://www.wtxl.com/news/us/graphic-man-held-after-woman-thrown-onto-subway-tracks-in/article_fc804862-6188-11e2-838d-0019bb30f31a.html
BAN subways..... if it saves even ONE LIFE.......
I wondered about that comment...hahaha! Yep, the lights are on but nobody is home. :)
They should charge him with attempted murder.
If they start low then let him plead out he will be on the streets in 1 year.
That's what I said when I watched the video. He clearly had NO regard for this young woman's life. What a coward! All of that just to get a cell phone.
If Obama had a son,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
Agian with President Obama, if you had a son he would a dumbass just like you; in other words a chip of the old block.
So uncalled for. FU
newsvine admins, get we at least get a 1 day, if not permanent ban on this trash? This is ridiculous, we don't need this crap littering up the boards, there's more than enough of it here already.
Properly flagged as "inflammatory."
I have a grandson, couldn't pull of a son. I pray to god that he doesn't grow up to be like you and your ilk, MC Gusto.
Obama started it by picking Trayvon over the American Justice System.
Picking a black professor over a Boston policeman.
Not pursuing the Black Panthers.
Drowning Grover,
Lets ban everyone that doesnt have the same thought process as you. Its a joke, settle down tough guy.
it's not about banning people "with different opinions," it's about banning people who post blatantly racist crap.
and apparently, with 17 upvotes (as of this posting) there are at least 17 more racists lurking on this board....
Grover,
There is racist crap slung by every race every day. It will never end. Just last night I was on the L (Chicago) and a group of teenage black girls were getting off the train as an older asian woman was getting on......you know what they did? They slanted their eyes at her and start saying "ching chong chong ching chong". Point being it is not just white people that sling mud. You can get pissed all you want but I just choose to shake my head and ignore idiots.
yet here you are defending the one in this thread.
If your intent is to throw yourself in with his lot, you're succeeding.
Outrage at somebody's comments but no outrage aginst another's actions - tossing a woman on train tracks?
And your relevance is...? I've already expressed sympathy for the victim, and outrage toward the perp. You must be one of the "ilk," thinker, defending racist, anti-American posts.
They need to outlaw subways now.This is like the third one in a short time.
LOL, i was thinking the exact same thing. Lets outlaw trains and not let people carry around any valuables. I bet Obama has some legislation already prepared for that. Or better yet, he can outlaw black males too.
Our first Idiotic Troll of the Day entry - good job JAV
Unfortunately, not the first. I know you're trying to look clever and cool, with your posts and your screen name, but the post is so over its 15 minutes, and your screen name only entertains the other trolls here.
Your comment is irrelevent.
Subways were built for what purpose? Guns are manufactured for what purpose? I rest my case!!
jav, you're a low-information knuckle dragger who gives neanderthals a bad rap...good thing this country works as a democracy so that even the insipid and obtuse like yourself have the freedom of speech, though you should save your remaining atrophied brain cells for breathing purposes...
Yes, that is the exact logic of the anti gun people. How about this then, if that woman had a license to carry a gun she may have been able to stop the attack.
for the other guy:
Subways like guns are a means to an end. You seem to be implying that guns are somehow always bad, which is patently untrue. Just like the subway it's context of how the the gun is used that determines whether it's a good thing or a bad thing.
Riding the subway is good, being pushed in front of it is not. Using your gun for hunting, self protection, and target shooting are all good things, but shooting random people is not.
No I doubt it. This thug asked for a light, then sucker punched the women. Even if she'd had a gun, more than likely, as a guy, and in her case, he would have taken it from her. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing more that I would have liked for this guy, other than to give him a taste of his own medicine. But the women would've had to have her gun in her pocket with hand on it, ready to shoot. This guy just took advantage of her size and the fact that she was a women.
That's just not healthy
No I doubt it. This thug asked for a light, then sucker punched the women. Even if she'd had a gun, more than likely, as a guy, and in her case, he would have taken it from her. Don't get me wrong, there's nothing more that I would have liked for this guy, other than to give him a taste of his own medicine. But the women would've had to have her gun in her pocket with hand on it, ready to shoot. This guy just took advantage of her size and the fact that she was a women.
Change your name to I am just illiterate. Women, is more than 1. Woman is one. You did it 3 times, so you really think it is spelled that way.
This isn't a national issue. We don't have subways where I live! I wonder how many cities have a subway? Maybe 10 possibly 12. Therefore, I would say it is their problem not the majority of americans.
um.. unreal.. you mean there's nothing where you live that some thug or mugger might not be able to push you into? No train tracks, roads with traffic, pits, wells, ditches? You live in a pillowed cocoon?
Julieann: Guns are manufactured for the purposes of hunting, target shooting, and protecting law-abiding people. They are sometimes misused for criminal activity, just as subway trains are. But like subway trains, they were not manufactured for that purpose. I rest my case.
Three times in just a few days we've seen someone pushed into the subway pits. I think this proves a theroy I've had on crime. The more a type of crime is published, the more likely it will be repeated. I think we have seen that with the school shootings. If you recall after the Colubine attack there were serveal copy cats attemps. We likewise had a few copycat attemps after Sandy Hook; but thankfully all were caught before they could carry out their plans. Has anyone else noticed this? BTW China had their share of school attacks too that I think was partly motivated by Media coverage. Google "China school attacks 2010" and reasd the Wilkipediea article and you'll see what I mean if you read all the article. The more media coverage, the worse it got.
Lets ban subway trains, walkways, and tracks. We need a permanent ban on these weapons. Lets not waste our time raising our kids right, preventing unwanted kids, and making sure mentally ill people cannot walk the streets.
You do realize you look idiotic with that comment right?
Chris from Yucaipa, YOU look idiotic when you don't realize that this is part of the "big picture", that this all can be traced right back into Obama's social agenda. Why do you think these things are happening now - because behavior like this is not only tolerated, but encouraged by the pansy-a** policies of our current administration. The belief that the government should provide the ultimate safety net, that big brother will provide, that entitlement reigns supreme, which are all huge points on the current agenda, lead to the ultimate rejection of personal responsibility. So yes, absolutely, we should ban subway trains since of course we cannot be trusted to use them in a safe and responsible manner. We should also ban hammers, rocks, kitchen knives, all sources of water such as bathtubs, swimming pools and lakes, and truckloads of fertilizer. Now, as for the people who cause problems for society to deal with, we should just give them money, because they are obviously "disenfranchised". We shouldn't deal with their mental illness or any of the other myriad issues that cause people to behave this way, because that would take time, and it would shift the focus of the agenda, which cannot be tolerated.
So, Chris from Yucaipa, I have to say that I think you are the one that looks idiotic here. In the words of so many liberal bumper stickers I have seen, "If you are not outraged, you are not paying attention". Clearly you have not been paying much attention.
hey chris if it stops just one death ...the president said it would be so worth it...cause he's real smart...
theworldisgoingto..., disgruntaled because a Black man is President? The crime rate has nothing to do with the current President and his policies. GET OVER IT!!
President Obama has more brains that GWB who smoked (pot) through life. It is a proven scientific fact that pot eats away at brain cells. After 8 years of GWB policies, we know that now. Although some of us were smart enough to note on his resume 2 bankruptcies. Thank God for Obama!!
Did it ever occur to you that some people dislike President Obama because of his POLICIES and not his RACE?.
It amazes me the amount of people that assume just because you're not an Obama fan that you are automatically racist. Such childishness.
Well here comes Jessy and Sharpton again...is their work ever over.
As long as people like you, Bill H-1430012, exist, their work is never done.
jessy and al...think they need to get word out to every race...black or white your all americans and ya letting the politicans steal your country...
Another reason to cross the street when you see a Black man walking in your direction. Our prisons are overflowing with these animals. 80% of the prison population is Black. Sad but true.
If I can't cross the street when I see a White woman walking in my direction, then I make sure that I get as far over to the side of the sidewalk that is away from her. This is a learned response, as black males do notice you clutching your bag in defensive anticipation. We know that the actions of a few have demonized us all in the eyes of White Americans.
@cuba: What about Indian, Pakistani, Chinese, Korean, Vietnamese, Japanese, Egyptian, Hispanic, Arab and other non-black women? Blacks have attacked them too. It ain't just white americans anymore.
viva cuba libre....unfortunately, it isn't " the action of a few that has demonized you all". You have the best and the worst in our society. Unfortunately the Black culture has ruined the chances of the majority of young black men to succeed in our culture. That would be going White . over 70% of the black male population between the ages of 15 and 25 have been, or are in jail. And it is people like Jackson and Sharpton who keep the shackles on your youth.
BillH, you are an ignorant jerk, spouting made up statistics as if they were fact. Nothing is further from the truth that your blatant lie about 70% of young Black men, but I bet you felt better posting such crap...
Viva,
you may have noticed women reacting when you walk by them, absolutely true. What you haven't noticed is that most women will react the same to any man, regardless of color, when they are alone. You may have attributed it to color, but it's really because of your gender and the way you're dressed. A white male in casual clothing is more threatening than a black man in a suit.
You are all a bunch of racist jerks. Every frightening altercation I have ever had has come at the hands of a white male. Should we lock all of them up?
Good grief!
What planet are you living on and what are you smoking?
Apparently not the same planet as you. I choose not to use terms such as "these animals" to refer to an entire group of people identified solely by their skin color (or ethnic heritage or religion or whatever). There are good and bad people of every stripe.
I do agree with you, Walla Walla, there are bad people as well as good people in every ethnic group.
But the fact remains that the incidence of violent crime is VERY high among American males of African descent, particularly young ones. And the crime rate is very, very low among Asians. That is why when I, as a white woman, when am alone, I am very conscious of any young black males nearby and pay attention to what he/they are doing, and why I don't pay any attention at all to the actions of Asian guys near me (in fact, I feel safer in Chinatowns than I do in many white neighborhoods!). Just simple statistics and facts and reality, not racism.
Well good for you. Every frightening encounter I've ever had has been with a black male. So what's your point? Whites are the only ones who can be racist...
Me thinks that every time you are scared it is because you think the white man you last assaulted is the one coming to get your punk @ss and get some of you for himself, and justifiably so. We are so very tired of you 'black' bucks robbing and stealing I am surprised we have not put an OPEN season on any buck of 'colour'. It is politically incorrect to call you by your name so we have to say black b ut in your own home you are called NIG... I do not need to say more but I will tell you that if one of you approaches my car unwanted someone WILL bury his rocket scientist @ss!
God of Fate has a point. The two most recent subway attacks (push) in New York City were committed by non-blacks. And the mass shootings point to whites as well. Where exactly does anyone get that Blacks are to blame for the high crime rates in this country when they only account for a fraction of the prison population. The percentage of Blacks in this country and prison would have the entire Black population behind bars. People really need to stop being so ignorant with their racist comments. You only wish it was a race issue when it comes to crimes in America. Wake-up, it is not about race. Watch the True Crime episodes on MSNBC, ID channel, and TLC...most of those are white folks. As a white woman I am more likely to be killed by a spouse, boyfriend or stalker that I know and is white. I spent 4 years in an abusive relationship with a white man. Now I am in a relationship with a Black man who works on Wall Street that is more of gentleman with his old school ways of opening a door for the lady, helping her put on her coat and just being polite and respectful. He even refers to my parents as "Mr" and "Mrs". Several years ago a Black woman was murdered in Maryland by her white husband. A movie was made about it on Lifetime.
Let's get real and stop pointing figures. This is why our entire society sucks.
Walla Walla. EVERY altercation you ever had came from white males? Sounds too dramatic. "ALMOST" every altercation I had came from black males. I have also seen black on white crimes get treated with indifference, and white on black crimes get extra special consideration. Why the inconsistency? Is it racism?
@julieann: How very nice for you. But your situation is an anomaly. And irrelevant.
Ok people, those citing the mass shootings and pointing out that they were all committed by white males: They are rare occurances (although it doesn't feel like it). Blacks attack, rob and, in some cases, kill every day. And it ain't only white people anymore, so let's get that out of the way. Blacks have attacked Asians, South Asians, Hispanics (of any color), Middle Easterners, Arabs, Iranians, Pacific Islanders and other blacks. So it looks like they ain't doing too well. And the silly argument of "bad parenting" and "no father in the house" is infuriating. Blacks started their rampage just after the "we-shall-overcome" days in the late '60's when there were much more 2 parent black households. They declared war on "whitey" and yelled "muthafukka, we wants revenge!"
glad they caught this guy...
Love it Caesar! So True. And Julieann, good luck with your Wall Street man. Hope it works out for you.
People let's be real. There really is no comparison when it comes to crime. We all know who commits the majority of the crimes and actual statistics confirm that.
Just for fun, and if you feel safe enough, travel through any black neighborhood in America. Do you notice most have burglar bars on the windows and doors? That's not to keep the whites out is it?
poor walla walla, he was bullied, apparently numerous times during his life.
For all of you scholars out there claiming that African American males commit more violent crimes, here's a little nugget of truth for you. African American males are more likely to be arrested and convicted. That's why that stats read that way. There are violent criminals in every race. Stop trying to lump all black males in with this coward.
Good question, TAP. When a black gets assulted by a white - it's front page news - for weeks
on the other hand, when a white person gets assulted by a black (or more commonly, gang of blacks)...the reaction is usually: "Oh well, happens all the time."
or my personal favorite: "They were in the wrong place at the wrong time"
please google Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome for one of the most egregous examples of an unprovoked, brutal attack by black thugs on two white kids that was hardly reported by the press when it happened (warning: it is very disturbing)
Realistic Woman: So white violent criminals are given a free pass? Let's see some stats on that. Black males are more likely to be arrested and convicted because they are more often involved in crime. And no, I'm not lumping all black males into that statement.
Not sure how this became about race and building walls. The only thing I was thinking when I watched it was the death penaly should somehow be invoked here.
julieann -
This pretty much refutes your assertion of " that Blacks are to blame for the high crime rates in this country when they only account for a fraction of the prison population."
BAN subways..... if it saves even ONE LIFE.......
robbopaloobop please google Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome for one of the most egregous examples of an unprovoked, brutal attack by black thugs on two white kids that was hardly reported by the press when it happened (warning: it is very disturbing)
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YAYAYAYAYAYAY! I'm thrilled that someone else remembers them! For those who don't, here are links
(and robbopaloobop is right) is is disturbing and infuriating!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Chris
www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/classics/chris
www.knoxnews.com/news/news/local/channon-christian-christoph -
www.truthorfiction.com/rumors/c/christopher-channon.htm
www.snopes.com/politics/crime/newsom.asp -
www.sullivan-county.com/wcva/liberal_racism.htm -
It would be so easy if the laws allowed teachers to tell the police about children and young adults in their
care about the problems they see. It starts young and grows into the anger and frustration and hate
that causes the violence. More young people being forced into counseling after the teachers recommend
some intervention would be a start. All this privacy b. s. is not helping. Lack luster, weak parents that do
nothing to help their kids should loose their rights to decide what's best. More tax money for more
intervention at all levels of school is a start. Try catching these nutty kids before they cause real harm to
society. If they need to be in rehap hospitals than send them. Build some mental facilities again.
inestwo, your are just talking in superlatives. If teachers really did have the authority, and the duty, to tag young people as troublemakers, that would put an awful lot of power into the hands of the teacher. Many do not even trust the teacher to teach history, much less act as judge of behavior.
Furthermore, who is going to take away the rights of parents? Who makes that decision? By what criteria? Who is invested with that power? Who decides all of that? What rights are taken away, and who will step up in place of the parents who's rights have been "take away"? Once the rights have been revoked, who cares for the young ones?
Think it through. What you are suggesting is draconian, at the least. What a repressive state of government that would be! Parents would be in fear that their "nutty" kids might be tagged by a teacher and dragged through "counseling" and their rights taken away. Can you just imagine the class of law suits and the number of advantage lawyers that would give rise to? Who would pay for all of that? Would the school system pick up the tab for all of that screening and counseling and legal wrangling? And, what to do when someone realizes that it is more children "of color" who are being put into these facilities?
What a bucket of worms that would be!!!!!
hanne-2816134 if you do not think that as many families with such problems are out there you live in a real nice area. Inestwo if teachers do those things - in districts where they are needed - they will never have time to teach. I'd say social services and mental health services need to be stronger.
Walla walla- Do you blame guns for the mass killings lately?
Thank God I live in Texas. We're not defenseless sheep here. You enlightened people just keep on depending on the police to protect you. Remember, when seconds count, they'll be there in minutes.
Glad you should mention Texas.
More drugs and illegal aliens come through Texas than any other State.
Not only that you have citizens that help the human and drug trafficking.
You will stick 50 Mexican people in a safe house and treat them like animals.
When are you people going to become your own Country ?
You have always been in a different world. Relocate all the good people out of Texas and get the hell out of the Union. That way the US can have less violence. Then you can form Posses and take care of your own problems. You have as much or more crime and corruption in your state than the rest of the country. Wasn't Enron in Texas ? Your gun laws are as loose as your corruption.
When you shoot your mouth off about how great the country of Texas is. You better get all the facts.
Not just the ones that suit you.
Wow John: You just caught obama in another lie. He recently said most illegals came in through Arizona. But I guess you know more than those of us that live in this country.
John From The former USA, you are just a southerner with regrets that the Confederate Army lost to the Union soldiers. My six words to you...GET OVER IT OR MOVE OUT!!
I will pay your one-way airfare if needed. I cannot stand the disrespect people have for this country. If you don't like it then move to a country that will do it your way. Look how safe Israel is because people are allowed to own military-style weapons. I am sure you will feel right at home!!
I've visited Texas and it's GREAT. Crap like this rarely happens because the perp would know they will be punished harshly. It's called consequences.
If Texas left the union, I will be moving there from my liberal state.
Don't mess with Texas, baby.....
I'll second that. If Texas left the US, I'd relocate there too. Their future would have to be better than what the US has to look forward to.
There are only 2 things in Texas.
i agree walla walla.there are good and bad in all races.now lets throw this bad one on the tracks in front of an on comming train
i up rated that. normall I wouldnt' but Im frustrated they didn't charge him with attempted murder so he gets off the street. he's homeless with mental issues. He's either deranged (ie no touch with reality) or he does not value human life at all.
He needs to be gotten off the streets. So many people with schitzophrenia could be adequately managed on medication--if that's it. But there is too little support in the community to support them (in some places/it used to be a health worker would come around daily to check up if people are taking meds or to give meds...or weekly some of the meds are weekly) It must be cheaper than institutionalization but we don't do that enough anymore either...Reagan closed down so many of the mental institutions the people and the next generation of deeply mentally ill are on the street now very largely with little or no support
But the primary problem is that most people in the medical field have never been taught the proper administration of pschotropic drugs. Including too many psychiatrists.
United States is dangerous, the lack of mental health care and a system to protect the mentally ill from injuring themselves and others should not be ignored anylonger.
(not just "the mentally ill" but some of them. This with the gun debate ie "crazies" getting guns makes it really important to parse words more finely. Tens of millions of people with mental illnesses have normal productive lives. Statistics show that a mentally ill person is not more like overall to commit violent acts than other people (probably because some other kinds of mental illness are less likely to do that than usual perhaps) In fact they are more likely to be victims of crimes than other people, way more likely to be victims of crimes than perpertrator.)
@Joe
Agreed...
Oh, but don't you know we have $$$BILLIONS for pork in Sandy legislation and $500 Million for useless gun legislation. $$$ Trillions for war and the war machine and $$$ Trillions more for black Op's where we citizens are forced to pay the tab, yet have no control over the dollars spent.
We have the money and land to warehouse the nuts, but most Americans have blinders on when it comes to anyone but themselves. Forget the house calls, I'm talking Quonset huts for barracks and barbed wire for walls with tower guards every 100 yards.
Joe, mental issues is the new now word. If you have issues, go get help. If you have issues and commit a crime, die like the perfectly normal person that committed the same crime. who probably has a deep down fear because he lost a dodge ball game when he was 6.
Walla Walla, I agree with you that there are good & bad in all nationalities, but in this country, blacks are only 14% of the population and 80% of the problem. As one man said a few years ago, "If I were walking down a dark street and heard foorsteps behind me, I would feel a lot safer if I turned around and found that the men following me were white". The person who said that was Jessie Jackson. As I read the news every morning, I am amazed how many crimes blacks commit & how little they value life. It does not seem to bother them at all to shoot an unarmed store clerk. Why? The black in this video was willing to kill that woman over a cell phone. Have they so little respect for people that their desires and wants overshadow life? It sure appeaars that way. Facts are facts. Statistics are statistics. It has nothing to do with race or being a racist. I am sick and tired of ignorant people pulling the race card any time someone disagrees with them. With their limited knowledge, that's the only argument they can use because the facts support anti-black sentiment.
And frankly, I think you are lying or just telling part of the story when you said "every frightening altercation came at the hands of a white male". I am 69 years old and have never had an altercation with anyone. Sounds to me like you are starting the altercations and probably got your ass whipped.
80% is too high pretty sure. But yes, when a certain demographic is over represented in crime or certain crimes it is worth attention. However, not to blame that "certain demographic" and "those people" but rather figure out WHY they are over represented in order to better understand the problem and even, come up with solutions more readily. One component of Black men's overrepresentation in the prison population is that there is a conviction bias toward Black defendants. Prosecuters acknowledge this. That does not account for all of it though. Poverty may be some...as a much higher percentage of inner city poor Black youth get into trouble than middle class suburban Black youth do. Nothing to do after school as a young teen--little opportunity or family money to pay for lessons or other enrichment ideas...no safe places to play or hang out...parent(s) more likely to work longer hours (average working poor person has 1.5 jobs as far as I can tell...many work 2 or three jobs because you can't live on minimum wage. So many do two shifts and aren't home for their kids home time and kids get into trouble unsupervised.
Any there is no inherent defect in being of African decent or partly of African decent that makes you more diliquent. Human beings are more closely related than any species on earth (our population exploded quite recently that is why), construct of race is rather superficial (skin color) and developed very late in our evolution (the think it was in last 10,ooo yrs last I read that skin hues began to differ). Therefore it workst o find out why so those who are wiling and able can stop those conditions that have this biproduct.
I find it astouding you could be almost 70 and never had an altercation. I'm a white female much youger and I've had people try to start them with me especially when young/in school. Also have been mugged twice (didn't fight back-guy had knife). That said I can easily imagine the scenario that you call out as a lie...who you fight with depends on who you surround yourself with.
BrinkofDisaster, Your numbers are very close to what i've always seen myself. I also don't worry about being politically correct. If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck then guess what it probably is a duck. This is my thinking on an attack like this, here's a case where if more people carried concealed i believe not all but some criminals would have to think twice before attacking someone like this not knowing if they might have a gun. Everybody thinks having a gun invites more trouble but i've seen first hand that when that gun comes out it defuses threats very quickly.
To Allen Weaver Jr.
Though I am pro-gun (and a registered gun owner), I do not believe carrying a concealed weapon is the answer. Someone with criminal intent on their mind may not think twice about over-powering the victim and using their own gun on them. Perhaps carrying a stun gun would be a better choice since pepper spray does not seem to work.
Simply love this comment. Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Well, to use your math, Blacks are 80% of the problem. How much does that leave for Latinos? 15% maybe? So that would mean that Whites are only 5% of the crime problem, right? Where does that leave Asians, Indians and Native Americans? You realize that you don't have any idea of just how ignorant you are? Your "knowledge" is exactly what I would expect from someone as old as you are. Things will improve only as ingnorant fools die off and no longer poison younger people...
@NB, what is really sad is that there are people like deluded RCmcK that agree with him/her. Just because more blacks are arrested and convicted more often doesn't mean that they are the only criminals.
Check out the story of the white man that kidnapped and raped a young woman, was taking her to her death and tried to burn down a house with 3 children in it. Plus he rammed 3 police vehicles and fired shots at them. To me that was pretty violent. AND, he was just paroled for committing a violent act. So is he just 1 out of a million? I would just conclude that both of these animals were violent cowards and they don't deserve to walk among us. There skin color makes no difference.
Any there is no inherent defect in being of African decent or partly of African decent that makes you more diliquent.
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They are finding this NOT to be true. That crime and delinquent behavior IS inherited. At least that was what they were concluding when I was learning about Nature Vs. Nurture and Twin Studies.
pegasus.cc.ucf.edu/~cjreg/NCbiological.htm
www.sheldensays.com/theories_of_crime1.htm
www.brighthub.com/science/genetics/articles/82485.aspx
www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/231609.pdf
For the Record: I am undecided whether I believe these theories or not, I just wanted to put it out there for debate.
That is reason why Rich and prosperous black men MOVE TO A WHITE NEIGHBORS because the fill safe, secure and a nice enviromental, ask them why they don't stay in a guetto or black neighbord and clean this mess and made a nice neighbord like the white people do ? the white police patrol his neighbords, the blacks do that in they neighbords?
Maybe if the stupid media didn't spend 24 hours a day broadcasting all this cr*p, people wouldn't get all these stupid ideas? Didn't this recently happen in New York? Think this punk saw it on the news..
good theory probably in general. But two caveats in this case only may be that he was homeless they said so he isn't watching much tv (still possilble). And that he had mental health issues. If you want to hurt someone and get rid of them in the location he was in In that Moment...the "solution" of throwing your victim on the tracks makes it self obvious.
I agree. This animal is just copying this. This guy should be put in jail with a guy named Bubba
This is why i never go into philly without my gun. I suppose there's no outrage about something like this because he didn't use a gun. This is a story where the woman should of had a gun and could of prevented this, of course it would of been been a back page story.
I guess odumber will dig up all the rail tracks now since trains are killing people.
Who is "odumber"?
shane1955
I agree with the idea of prosecuting for attempted murder.
I disagree with the racist comments. White males are violent too.
Congratulations to the Transit police for doing a good job and catching the guy. Cops of all types definately earn their mostly too low pay.
Oh no. King Obama just issued 23 more, largely unconstitutional, executive orders to stop this behavior. Geez, I wonder how a gun wasn't used.
Nothing is un-Constitutional until declared so by the SCOTUS.
But thanks for playing your role as a neocon hypocrite so well.
George, you are typical of the scared and ignorant Obama-hater crowd. I can safely assume that you are old and feeble-minded, poorly educated, or both.You only know what Fox News tells you, and the LARGE majority of that is complete BS. Not a single executive order is unconstitutional, but fat chance convincing you of that, since you already have your substandard mind made up. That's ok though, because I fing it HUGELY entertaining when low IQ, delusional blowhards think they know more about constitutional law then the guy they obsess about-who had a Juris Doctor in Constitutional law from Harvard Law School. After reading your posts I do have one question-Why are you so obsessed with Obama seeing a picture of your, no doubt fat and wrinkly butt? Is that just a Republican thing?
Good grief! You watch the video and wonder; has mankind devolved to such level? This scumbag shoot be shot down on sight as if it (and I call him .."IT") was a rabid dog. Or more apropos; a rabid rac(coon.)
should have never let there kind out of the Cotton field
Did you watch the video? Sure looked like a WHITE face in that mask to me.
meyou1
wow. people like you are why so many people have issues with people of different races for absolutely no reason. Shame shame.
He must have been a hockey player getting revenge.
Seems it is time for these scum bags to take a trip on the tracks. All they will do to this low life is give him a new jacket. When they start the "mental" crap - they are home free.
Ahh shucks he was just looking for some free room and board.