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Subscribe to RSSA New York newspaper pulled the names and addresses of thousands of gun permit holders from its website on Friday, ending a fierce battle over the data published after the Connecticut elementary school massacre.
The Journal News, which serves suburbs just north of New York City in Westchester and Rockland counties, cited in part New York's new gun control law, which allows permit holders to request confidentiality, for its decision to take the data down.
The newspaper, owned by the Gannett Co, published a map with the names and addresses of permit holders in the areas it serves last month in the aftermath of the massacre of 20 children and six adults at the school in Newtown, Connecticut.
The publication created an uproar among gun enthusiasts, and the Journal News felt threatened enough by the outcry over the map to hire a private security company to protect its employees. State gun-owner groups had called for an advertising boycott until the newspaper removed the information from its website.
Janet Hasson, president and publisher of the Journal News Media Group, on Friday stood behind the decision to publish the data, saying the dots on the interactive map conveyed a powerful message.
"But the database has been public for 27 days and we believe those who wanted to view it have done so already," Hasson said in a letter on the www.lohud.com website. "As well, with the passage of time, the data will become outdated and inaccurate."
A non-interactive screenshot of the dots was maintained on the site.
Hasson said the decision to remove the information was not a concession to critics who questioned the value of posting it or a response to the threats to staff, and that the newspaper would "continue to report aggressively on gun ownership."
She said the newspaper does not endorse the state legislature's decision to limit public access to the permit data, "But we are not deaf to voices who have said that new rules should be set for gun permit data."
The gun control provisions signed into law on Tuesday by Governor Andrew Cuomo expanded a state ban on assault weapons, imposed limits on the capacity of ammunition magazines and added measures to keep guns out of the hands of the mentally ill.
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The names of gun owners should absolutely be published. I don't want my kids spending time at another kid's house whose parents own guns.
I wouldn't want my kids hanging over at someone's house who can't defend my kid if something happens. Besides when you ell a kid never touch a gun because they are evil, if they see a gun guess what. They're gonna touch it because they want to know about it. Better to train kids on how to handle guns so that it won't be a mystery to them when and if they see one. also I think publishing the list is awful. I may not agree with those who hate guns because guns are inherently evil, but I don't want to see them shot when a burglar breaks into a defenseless house with a gun. Anyway good luck protecting your family with your bat or whatever ineffective weapon you use.
There's a point, most if not practically all gun accidents happen because of carelessness due to ignorance of gun safety practices.Being completely ignorant of gun safety is more dangerous than just being around guns.
JM, I guess if you are determined that your kids not go to households with guns you could always ask the parents.
No they shouldn't.
The last thing we need are locations for criminals to try to invade homes to get illegal weapons or the list of locations without guns/protection so they know which homes to invade. This type of information does not need to be made public and it wasn't meant to be. Worst, many retired law enforcement officials homes and families are now at risk due to this ignorant newspaper posting this. There have been many reports of law enforcement officials being told by prisoners that they know where they live now and their families and their 'friends' on the outside now know where to find them.
The biggest irony is the newspaper hiring armed security to protect their work place and also their homes of the head officials of the newspaper when their own lives became at risk.
Irony at it's f'ing finest. They were totally fine with putting other peoples lives at risk due to their ignorant closed minded liberal view but when their own lives were at risk they immediately went out and hired security. The left never ever thinks things through. It's always about themselves and their political objectives.
Get Real-I find it real interesting that a few mental cases that shot up a movie house a college and a bunch of kids and teachers in gun free zones has caused millions of law abiding gun owners to all become killers.
Yes,it's shocking isn't it,that the families of those kids getting slaughtered would dare to think the lives of kids was more important than your want to caress any high powered gun you can buy. The nerve of those insensitive people putting lives before your fun.(Total sarcasm intended)
Don't bother to blather on about "oh I need my AR-15 for protection". If a shotgun,pistol or regular rifle ain't enough to save your a@@. Then you need to take shooting courses more than you need to buy more guns. Statistics show far more people are shot in gun accidents than in protecting themselves in their home.
The bottom line is that gun-nuts are so afraid that they might lose some of their "man-card" toys that they don't give a flying f..k how many innocent little kids are massacred,as long as its not their kids that is.
I certanly wouldn't want my kids associating with some wacky Constitution-hating libtard.
I suppose you don't want your kids joining our military (no matter what) either? Why don't you move somewhere safer? Guns are against the law in Mexico move there!
whats in my house is no ones business.
No one with a brain in their head would want their kids at a home where someone wrote something this @!$%#ing stupid.
My kids handled guns from 5yrs and by 6, automatically pointed the muzzle to the ground and checked/cleared the chamber. I was safer with my kids on the range than with many adults I saw shooting. we insist on teaching kids to drive, to have sex and to handle tools and appliances...teach them it is a tool that has a specific procedure to handle just like a drill or chain saw. The more they handle it, the less mistique and intrique it carries with it...it isn't so cool when you have to clean it and repair it.
As far as the anti gun people attempting to slander the gun owners and malign their character, it truly shows the shallow kind of people they are; ruthless without honor or integrity. I've noticed one thing for sure during this debate about guns, the anti gun people are either honestly ignorant or willingly ignorant of the facts, the statistics and the function of firearms. They have a lot to say about something they know little about.
Yesterday I read anti's yelping that no hunter needs an AR15 that shoots 100 rounds a minute. They also claim this is the most violent country in the world...course, they don't count African countries, the middle east, Cambodia or totalitarian regimes. They forget the 100,000 million annihilated in the last century by governments that first took away their guns by registering then confiscating...they produce or attend movies that depict extremely poor gun handling and unsafe practices, even by the police and milirary...they think everybody handles weapons like hollywood --shooting their 10-22s like Rambo...it is also my impression that most anti gun people are also pro abortion people...cutting up or sucking the brains out of human beings for convenience sake...doing abortions to dogs would be a crime but to people it is ok...in the minds of those whose values are twisted...
If the American judicial system actually punished criminals instead of rewarding them with all the comforts and benefits that a working man can't afford (lawyer and psychiatrist on retainer, gym, TV, internet, college, medical, dental, optical, glamour and notoriety; we might not see such an increase in crime. Interestingly too, when gun laws are in debate and liberals are pushing for more regulation, they is the surge of more gun crime...it wouldn't surprise me to find out they incite it and pay for it ... heck, they have no qualms about lying and cheating...muslims even encourage it if it will advance their cause and we know who claims to be one.
I am all for the media to glorify honest living and hard work to try and encourage that. But, corrupt politicians and crazy crimes is their forte. There are extimated to be 200,000 to 2 million crimes stopped or deterred each year by honest gun owners...if the media broadcasted 1000 of those events every year the few deaths wouldn't seem so bad. We advertise the nice things about cars that kill 51,000 every year...we advertise the nice things about doctors who kill 170,000 each year. Nobody is afraid of bathtubs or sidewalks which kill more than guns do...
And to end my say, you all should be reminded that these "common sense" gun laws this administration is bragging about have been on the books for years...back in the 50's and 60's it was against the law to buy a gun if you had a record of mental illness. With 20,000 gun laws currently on the books, which one is it that deters criminals? Name one criminal that will obey these repititious laws that are being passed now?
I think all you people who do not drink should pay for and be restricted in your driving in order to reduce drunken driving. All you people who play baseball and swing a bat should have a license and be registered and closely monitored because of those who use a bat in a crime. All people who use a knife must be scrutinized and registered because criminals use knives to kill, rape, rob and assault people. No more stupid than the common sense gun laws.
Jersey
I wouldn't want my kid hanging out with your little libtard child anyhow.
[@ Jersey Michael] "OK!"
[Uncle Bob 512 here, I think, has "a lot of curves"]/ABOUT the Article: I take it that Tuesday Jan 15, 2013 the new laws were - - set - - and one of the new laws is "allow permit holders to request confidentiality". -?????- Yeah/No? TWO: "Janet Hasson" the Journal News media -Publisher- says the newspaper "does not endorse the states legislative position that limits public access to the permit data". ALL WELL & GOOD! She also says: "The datebase has been public for 27 days and we believe those who wanted to view it have done so already". Is this "saving face"?
If I am preceiveing this whole matter -- correctly -- I read that the Newspaper Published a list of all it's -area- gun permit holders. Then, the State legislature rushes in and writes in new law that allows permit holders to keep their info on that front -private- (which is "understandable"/ and, we "trust" they are not getting a permit in the first place if their is a forseeable "problem").
I take the gals dashing remarks to be "saving face" statements. If "they" -Publish- againt the States coded LAWS, then, they are subject to action by the States Attorney General which includes immediate lawsuit, and they are subject from the State police for "utter arrest" to STOP their -actions-
I myself do not -agree- with the Publishers "position" but, it is -typical- I believe for someone in the "Newspaper business".
I have a "Think Tank" to --study-- "situations" the such as. "Small matters" such as this it IS IMPORTANT that the State Legislatures "get them straight" and it is a -proud thing- that they responded as quickly as they have done.
John Wilkinson at blackcombs-2@live.com
"Peace"
LOL @ the idiot that thinks I cant @!$%# you up with a ball bat if you come in my house.
Please feel free to break into my house with as many guns as you want. I will shove a ball bat so far up your ass they will change your name to popsicle. Then - after you have said bat surgical removed - you can come back on these message boards and tell everyone how ineffective a ball bat is. Dolt.
Hey jersey: Do your neighbors KNOW your kids are getting into their homes?
I need my guns to protect myself from mental cases with baseball bats.
I need guns to protect me from gun nuts.
Nailed it.
Obama the Coward. Only an idiot would have used that for a tag. Obama is far from a coward he is very brave to face up to the cowards that owns guns like you most likely are. You are a mental case we need to take your gun for apparentlyyou must be dangerous with one.
clayton: And what branch of Military servive did you say obama served in?
johnrj61
Your little Billy Bob is welcome in my house any time, but I don't want my kid gowing over to his house just like I wouldn't want my kid going over to a kid who's parents are on the sex offender list. You think little Billy Bob isn't going to show of that new Glock or AR-15 you just bought? If my kids only go to houses without guns, they have a much less chance of getting accidentally shot.
The addresses of homes without guns should be published as well.
That way, the crooks know where to go with no worries of a homeowner fighting back.
There are a FEW criminals who can read you know. Hence if YOUR NAME IS NOT ON THE LIST, your new name could very well become...."VICTIM"......
" You are a mental case we need to take your gun for apparentlyyou must be dangerous with one."
"Please feel free to break into my house with as many guns as you want. I will shove a ball bat so far up your ass..."
How's that national debate going? The peaceful people hanging on?
Maybe they took the list of gun owners down in honor of national gun appreciation day, today, January 19th.
Why don't they next publish the names and addresses of the people that don't own any guns? The list would probably be smaller than the gun owner list and the criminals would then have some real information to act on.
@Obama the Coward. Obama wasn't a draft dodger like your president Bush was !! No he never enlisted in any military and he wasn't of age for the draft. So how can any idiot like you call him a coward. You are the real coward as a gun loving fool. No and I never was in the military either . I did even enlist at one time but ended up as a four "F'er" during the war . Did have a friend that was killed by the Japanese during the war. I remember Pearl Harbor and won't buy a Japanese car.
The new law allows that you can request that your name not be on the list, they give examples, basically there is no guarantee that your name will not be released if a newspaper files a foil request. The governor is already talking about amendments to address the foil request, I understand he will make it more clear that the newspapers can foil, the government will redact judges, police officers, and domestic violence victims and release all other names.
In addition, the libs pushed this through so quickly that they did not exempt the police from the 7 round clip, every police officer in the state may be illegally carrying a 10 round clip outside of their home. Nice move cuomo you are mentally challenged. Down in NYC today celebrating MLK day, having Al Sharpton racial hustler introducing him in harlem, the same al sharpton that has started race riots that ended with Yankel Ronsenblum being murdered and another riot that ended with Freddies clothing shop being burned to the ground and someone dying, oh yeah and he has a show on MSNBC, not really a news outlet..
@clayton
I remember Pearl Harbor and won't buy a Japanese car. So tell me clayton, do you buy Toyota's? As GM, Ford, & Chrysler build most of their cars outside the US, I'm sure that buying American made vehicles is important to you. Total idiot you are
I was just thinking the same thing, criminals usually pick the easy target, wonder how many anti gun people will change their stance after they get home invaded because of this list.
What a stupid thing to do. Put so many people at risk that either have no protection or to allow some crook an address to go try and steal a gun. If you are so scared your kids are going to play with someones guns, maybe you should teach your children to keep their hands off other peoples belongings. I find it real interesting that a few mental cases that shot up a movie house a college and a bunch of kids and teachers in gun free zones has caused millions of law abiding gun owners to all become killers. You shallow minded jerks that want all these new laws are the ones that need the mental evaulations.
Just proves once again that gun control has absolutly no basis in guns .. just control.
Well put.
The newspaper's staff either didn't consider, or didn't care, about the people they put at risk. They've made both non-gun owners and gun owners potential targets of criminals. Previous crime victims who purchased guns for self-defence have had their addresses made public. No apparent concern was shown for individuals who may have moved after domestic violence situations or stalker experiences, who have now had their safety compromised. Will the newspaper acknowledge their role when and if break-ins or other criminal attacks occur as a result of their reactionary journalism? I doubt it. At that point, they'll blame the criminal. Kind of comes full circle.
what is so sh!tty in this is that those pu-C's want to out everybody but yet they hired big mean men with guns to protect their sorry asses!
Criminals usually pick the easy target, wonder how many anti gun people will change their stance after they get home invaded because of this list.
How do criminals get guns?
I love how the newspaper attempts to make it sound like they were removing the names for any other reason than the fact that they got hammered for doing it. Just goes to show that liberals do not care about other people - they just care about their agenda. Liberalism should be a crime.
By any means possible, buy, steal, buy before they have been arrested for anything, barter, from fellow criminals, trade for drugs.
I was watching Reagan's tear down this wall speech on CSPAN earlier today and Reagan called for Gorbachev to be liberal. Caught my attention due to all the rhetoric presently being displayed.
Shadow deals, internet, homemade guns, you name it, somehow criminals who want guns will get it. There are some things that should never be published, especially if they could be used to spot targets for crime. Would it be a good idea to publish National Guard armory locations? OF COURSE NOT, same concept here.
While I don't like it, it would solidify my self defense argument when they are armed. Lets face it, in the dark in my home I have the advantage, and with 200 lumens of surefire in the eyes, the intruder doesn't stand a chance in hell.
Idiots that run that rag is one of the reasons I don't register guns..
So your admitting on a public forum that you commit crimes? Smart.
Here is your example of a criminal right here freely admitting to breaking the law.
If Obama and the liberals have their ways, theres going to be LOTS of law-abiding, upstanding, responsible folks who happen to own guns, facing Federal criminal charges. They will also let convicted killers out on parole early, as they currently do on a regular basis, ignore the mentally ill, and those who DO get "treatment" under Obamacare will get a hold of firearms illegally to do their evil and you'll still be of the mindset that Piers Morgan and his liberal ilk, actually makes vaild points about gun issues when he would wet his pants at the mere sight of a Glock. The recoil of a .22 would break his fragile little wrists and would probably fly out of his hands on the first shot down-range. You liberals have your heads so far up your rears that you are incapable of making decisions of any substantial nature based on any form of reason, through your ignorance of facts. I will NOT be re-registering my firearms. I did it already and a fear-based, knee-jerk reaction, fueled by the liberal media that glorifies the mass-killers and ignores the stories of people who actually SAVED lives with a firearm from a criminal who was out on early-release but never took to the "hug-and-share your feelings with the group" tactics that never work and went back to his old thrill-kill ways, is the EXACT reason that will NOT be happening. Obama said in a debate that he would NOT take away handguns and rifles and we see now just another empty promise that adds to the list. He used kids as pawns during his signings and a hundred bucks says that the kid's liberal parents were the ones who filled their heads with nonsense. If the ban passes, more people will die at the hands of mentally ill criminals with nothing to lose, and many of those kids will be among the dead because they were in the killing fields of "gun-free-zones". No "feel-good" measures will bring them back and thats sad. The lady principal could do nothing more than "lunge" at that monster in a feeble attempt to stop him.
Those who think that body armor is a cloak of invincibility, obviously have no clue that if you are shot with a round in the vest, it will show the monsters down and they don't want confrontatin; thats why they choose to kill in gun-free zones in the first place.
mike & tex:
My guns aren't registered. Please cite law that says I, or Knowalittle, must do so. If you can't, just proves you don't mind lying to further your agenda.
Proves you live in Arizona! Just not speak to your lack of intelligence.
The only way a gun does not get registered to you in my state is if someone in your family gives it to you. Other wise every gun legally purchased from a dealer is registered with the state.
And I have no agenda other than exposing neanderthal gun toting idiots for what they are. And for the record - I have 2 shotguns and 2 pistols in my house but care more about common sense gun laws than some idiots "right" to walk around with a high powered rifle on his back at Walmart.
mike: Please don't judge the whole country by some anti freedom laws in your state.
Even California doesn't have mandatory gun registration laws. Many THINK they have to, but don't really.
You may get your name/address published in the news.
I carry a six-gun on my hip everywhere I go. Even in the bank and wal-mart.
You asked for evidence - I gave it to you. You are not nearly as informed as you think you are.
And you guys know this............how????????? Are you in a light bulb somewhere in his bedroom??? Are you posting from under his mattress?????
Gawd you loons are crack me up. Lol!
In most of America you don't register guns, just a background check, if you buy from a licensed dealer. NO crime committed. Here in AZ and most red states no one knows what you have and nor should they.
.... and the reason I WON'T register them .....
My guns aren't registered, nor do I have a license to own a gun.
I am not a criminal, my state does not require registration or licensing, just the passing of a background check.
I find it interesting that all the anti-gun crowd likes to come out and complain about guns and gun owners and call for new laws but most of them don't know the first thing about guns or existing gun laws.
Another reason that he does not register guns is that he might not own any.
You do not need to register most rifles in NYS. The media, who's seemingly the enemy within these days, loves you people.
@Mike
A Bushmaster .223 is a high powered rifle? OMG ROTFLMAO Wow you really know guns. NOT. Just another uninformed person who no mater what, will look to push his ignorance on people who are open to being fed misinformation. No wonder this country can't keep up in education. They just want more ignorant people. More illegal immigration is helping with just that
@ Mike
No gun license, no waiting period, no state gun registration in my state. I can't help it if you live in some Nazi police state that tracks everything you do.
Even the FBI is supposed to destroy/delete the info that is obtained during the NICS background check within 24 hours. Though I wonder if they really do. The following is directly from the FBI website.
BTW, you do realize don't you, that the average hunting rifle is chambered in larger/more powerful calibers than the .223 caliber round the AR-15 fires, right? The average hunting rifle can cause far more damage, more accurately, at greater distances than an AR-15 ever could.
But I'm sure you have no problem with people keeping their hunting rifles, right? LOL Yeah, that really makes a lot of sense.
Having a gun permit, license, or card is not optional and should not be allowed to the public. Idiots such as this rag paper put many in danger, including a woman and her kids from a stalker, police officers, lawyers, and many more due to their "public" information posting. So how did that work for them? They had to hire guns to protect their idiot a@#'s . Since we are forced to sumit information, it should not be public. I have to agree with Dr. Knowalittle.. many will not register, hell the criminals dont.
I agree, gun permits should not be public knowledge. I don't want criminals to know I don't own a gun. If you don't register your gun then your committing a crime. So...."if you can't beat them, join them" is that your motto?
To protect them from gun nuts. Kind of ironic no?
tex: What crime?: Please give us a code number. I'd like to look it up.
I don't think people know Arizona doesn't require gun registration, and doesn't even have a means to do so. You couldn't register a gun in Arizona if you wanted to. If the gun is made in Arizona (Ruger is in Prescott) no Federal check is needed either. Oh, and concealed carry with no permit is okay.
Nor does Iowa...unless newly purchased from a shop. So now their little plan backfired on them, or does anyone believe this will lead to more registrations?
Stop it, already.
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The NICS system must destroy their records.
Arizona Tumbleweed LOL I guess the laugh is on me. I thought everybody was required to register their gun purchases. Maybe the people passing the laws should be required to use only 140 characters when writing the laws so we can all have time to read and follow them.
Do you seriously believe they are destroying those records? I'd be willing to bet a dollar that somewhere these files have been copied & have been for years.
Still on a base level this newspaper is violating the 4th (I think) amendment rights to the gun owners in the local area. "Safety from unwarranted search and seizure", well this release is itself not a unwarranted search and seizure but it will definitely lead to it by robberies and break ins.
Welll hmm... I suppose then, if I was in NY, I'd put a sign in my yard that says, "This house has guns. The door is locked for your own protection. Next door doesn't have guns, and they have better stuff, anyway."
See how well that flies.
Matt - home invaders love guns and would target your home if they know you have them. I've interviewed a lot of criminals who have been charged with burglary of a residence. If they know a place has guns, they'll try to break in when you're not home. Sometimes, they just don't care if you're present or not. The best deterrent is a loud, protective-sounding dog. I've yet to meet a criminal who likes entering a home with one and they will avoid the residence at all costs. The biggest mistake many people make is thinking owning guns is a deterrent. It's a freaking magnet - for some who want the hardware, and even those who don't care what's one other side. But I fully respect your opinions as many times you put in good research to defend your views. I enjoy reading your posts, always.
So you have interviewed a lot of criminals. So they were caught also I presume. So, we can assume they were careless, stupid or just got caught. How many have you interviewed that had a hole the size of a softball in their chests? Thought so. You did have one thing right, the dog.
Robin,
Dang girl if there was ever anyone who needs a new hobby....its you.
Robin, I know that homes with firearms are considered "juicy targets" for criminals that want to commit robberies, and that the presence of a dog was a #1 deterrent. I've heard #2 is actually the signs for alarm systems.
That said, I was just make a joke about it, because this news site was clearly attempting to intimidate gun owners and push their own political beliefs, the costs be damned. I should have instead simply stated something about how reasonable would it be if one were to post a list of people that own expensive jewelry. Or perhaps post a list of people's specific work and vacation schedule. It's makes a home more vulnerable to the criminal element, and I hope this news organization gets sued out of their building.
Stonepipe - I appreciate your response. Perhaps the most unique weapon a homeowner ever used on a person breaking in was an iron - that was turned on. Thought you'd find that interesting. I'm sure he has the scars and gets heckled in prison still.
Scooter - love that avatar. Don't worry, I now have a new "hobby." My prior field was a pressure cooker, especially being the sole living parent. But I still like to spar with a willing partner who doesn't mind getting sent to the mat at 80% force. I know, I'm every guy's dream date.
Matt - thank you for taking a moment to write me. :) If a person doesn't have a dog, alarm signs do work, as well as signs that read: Beware of Snakes and/or I Love Pythons. Actually, a guy who was growing pot indoors posted that and no one wanted to go in, not even when he was being busted. Kind of funny, but then, I have a quirky sense of humor. Anyway, it's been a pleasure.
Robin, I live in a middle class suburb where school are above average and the homes and well kept / manicured. About 2 1/2 years ago two meth addicts broke my daughters window and attempted to force their way in. We have a dog, a medium to large sized Visla who barked at them from the doorway. My wife heard the glass break (we have ADT but they breached the window through the broken glass instead of forcing the window) and grabbed a butcher knife from the kitchen and flipped on my daughters light switch. This didnt stop them from charging her and she slashed at one of them, cutting his arm. This gave my daughter the chance to run out of the room. The meth head retracted his now bleeding arm, looked at it and then kept advancing. I called 911 gave our location and then put the phone down and grabbed by Mossberg 500, slid up behind her and racked a round and levelled it at this guys head. Finally they started backing up and I told them they could either get shot or take their chances going back out the window. They choose the window. The police arrived 50 minutes later to take their descriptions. I just wonder how crappy this would have played out without a weapon in the home.
Riley - I'm sorry I'm just now reading and responding to your post. Work and a teenage daughter keeps me pretty busy. I deeply feel for what you and your family had to experience. That was very traumatic and I'm sorry that happened. I am relieved your family remained safe. I had an apartment burglarized (with a hole through a wall) when my daughter was four. Thankfully, we weren't home at the time (away over night). We also didn't have our dog - who would have chewed the intruder(s) in two. She's an alpha female, who, unrestrained, will go after someone she doesn't know entering the house. As much as a pain it is when she goes ape over little noises, she's our alarm system and defense system. She literally rams the door when anyone is on the other side and they instantly back off. A noise outside of my daughter's window makes her act like she's possessed - I reward her even when we lose a little sleep. After her, I am the defense system and do not fear taking someone down at full force (and have) due to my training. I can truly appreciate your circumstances and your feelings as to why you should have a firearm. I however will not own one. We each have made our own choices and I am perfectly comfortable with mine as you are with yours. I cannot stress enough - a dog is still the best deterrent against burglaries - stats will back that up. But a dog that is capable of defending a home is worth it's weight in gold. When Abigail is no longer able to be our guardian, I will get another dog and insure it has the proper training.
I wish you and your family all the best. Thank you for your response. My thoughts remain with you all.
Hey, no body ever pick on this lady. I like her! At last someone who post things and can look at both sides of something. And not take offense to a reply. Maybe we need more people like her in this world that talk about things without ranting I'm right your wrong. You go girl and stay just the way you are,confident in who you are and your life life will reward you many times over. Post on any subjects you feel the need to because it will nice to read something sensible for a change. Oh, and yes I'm a gun owner & NRA member but I do follow anyone blindly. I find I gain more knowledge by listening then I do talking. Well most of the time that is sometime my mouth over loads my brains. Have Great day!!
Drkegle - your comments were very sweet. Sometimes I get hammered by others, but I do try my best not to push buttons. I'm as liberal as they come, but human beings can be passionate creatures about the things they believe in - often times our life experiences shape how we think. I don't wish to put someone down because of who they are. Now and then, it's really hard, given some of the crude insults by some posters. After a hard day at work today, your response made me smile. My daughter's hug also made me smile the second I walked through the door. She's a love. Anyway, thank you so much.
Proof that fear not only causes people to have guns......but folks with guns are also scared to admit it publicly.....
Gun owners = Scared little rodents
Yes, if you think it is perfectly normal to have guns, why not admit that you have them in your home?
letting criminals know where to find guns and how to get there is just stupid.thats like printing the names of people who have cash or gold in their home.its just asking for trouble where there should be none.
That's as stupid and inflammatory as saying Anti gun morons = Vermin who should be shot.
But I thought gun owners had no issue with letting people know they are armed? Supposedly that makes you safer. You people are knuckle draggers.
But dont you idiots like to tote those things around open carry?
And and if you could read (questionale at best) - it was not a list of gun owners. It was a list of people with carry permits. Huge difference.
No - they took down the site because the feared the mentally unstable people who were complaining would come in and shoot up the place. Why? Because you @!$%#ing idiots are unhinged.
So there is no difference between owning a gun and having the permit to carry it concealed? Pretty scary you dont understand the difference. Hopefully you dont have any guns. You are textbook for someone too crazy to own guns.
bill and mike
so you twos stance is that it is perfectly alright for the govt. to intrude on the sanctity of your home and privacy , and then allow a PERFECTLY LEGAL activity, such as gun ownership, to be published .. and to what gain? outside of the mass media homemade hysteria to further try to bolster their king of course.
Tell ya what, since you feel this invasion is perfectly alright how about processing a list of everything in your home and placing it on an Internet list, newspaper, etc...... because after all SOME of it MAY be dangerous ...or someone else MAY believe it is.... is that ok with YOU two ?
Your a moron. They are valuable. That is why we do not want the information out there. If you had a pound of gold in your house, would you want that information published in a news paper for all to read?
@Bill-2100624, Nice of you to toss all gun owners into a single group. I am a gun owner, I own several in fact. I am also licensed to carry as many concealed weapons as I care to weight myself down with. And, in my state as someone licensed to carry concealed, I am also permitted to carry open. I choose not to carry open - but to remain 'concealed'. Why? Because it offers a tactical advantage to me should I ever have to face a situation where the use of a firearm would be required and justified: bad guy waiting in the alley for me sees a gun he might pass me off as a target, but then he might just wait until I get past him and come up behind and disarm me - now he has my gun and my money. However, if he steps out in front of me and confronts me, he might be very surprised to find that what looked like a wallet turns out to be a .380 automatic stuck in my back pocket.
People at my workplace know that I 'carry' and are not intimidated by that knowledge. Some have even jokingly commented that if we ever do have some nut-case come in and start shooting up the place, the first place they're heading to is my office. There are two others in the group of 10 also licensed to carry concealed; one is the nice lady who greets you as a visitor should you visit our offices, the other is an ex-Law Enforcement officer.
But to announce that I own weapons to the world is rather STUPID - it does make my residence a potential target which only accomplishes a couple of things, neither of which seems very good:
#1 - I get robbed while not at home and after they break the gun safe open, we now have more weapons in the hands of bad guys for them to use when they visit an unarmed household, or
#2 - they try to rob me while I'm at home and I'm forced to defend myself, hopefully to their sad surprise - although there is a bright side to this scenario: I will have saved the state the cost of incarceration and trial.
The newspaper was reckless in publishing the list. A bull$hit move on the part of some anti-gun-nut to put some kind of pressure on gun owners, but they only succeeded in putting all of those households at risk, including the CHILDREN IN THOSE HOMES.
You cannot tote them around, some can carry a pistol, but you cannot take them to work or school with you, so they have to be left home when you want to go somewhere that will not allow your gun or multiple guns. Somebody is a troll or not to bright, despite what Robin said.
The thing that bothers me most about the pro-gun people who post here is the way they brag about how quick they will be to shoot someone they perceive to be a threat. I would like to think that most people who own guns are normal and would be deeply disturbed by the thought of actually having to shoot someone, but most of you sound like you can barely wait for the opportunity to present itself.
Can a country where a large percentage of the population feels the need to carry a gun be called "civilized?"
Not only can a country be considered civilized as the forefathers foresaw and deemed appropriate but liberty stands the best chance because of the freedom to own and quite frankly never use a gun if one so chooses. I would rather own a gun and not need it then not own a gun and need it. Think about it.
I'm certain of one thing. The folks on this vine will make sure Mike is on the list of those that should not own a weapon of any kind. Wow dude
@Bill-RandomNumbers... "Scared little rodents"? Yeah, that's a mature and well thought out commentary. Go back to biting your pillow tonight and think of all the guns that actually made it possible for you to live in this democratic country. The events immediately following the Declaration of Independence wouldn't have been possible if not for private gun ownership. If you don't want to exercise your right to own a gun, that is fine, but don't try to enforce your pacifist rhetoric on those that do. If anything, it's people like you who are the ones "scared"... of guns and gun owners.
Liberal ignorance is in full swing, but thats nothing new.
The big day is finally here! NATIONAL GUN APPRECIATION DAY. It is also referred to as the greatest circle jerk in the world!
Thousands of gun lovers across the country will gather to whip out their pieces and see who has the longest barrel! Excitement will run rampant as the owner of the longest barrel will lead the circle jerk off into the fields where they will polish their barrels and see who can shoot the furthest!
Many events will take place, and we will keep you updated and especially stand by for the grand finale where the circular firing squads will show off their skills at close range.
Refreshments, NRA kool-aid, all-day suckers, and much more will be available for unreasonable prices.
Wow.
just when you think the libs hit bottom, along comes a lemming with a shovel.
What they could have done was publish a list of homes WITHOUT guns. That would help promote obamas redistribution of wealth.
Care to define redistribution of wealth or is that just another Hannity talking point?
Yet another example of the American taliban that worships the gun!!!
Well you do have a choice. Own a gun or bend over.
And you think because you have an AR that your head would still be attached?
Right - the people who dont carry big rifles as an extension of their penis are the nutjobs? LOL
You need to learn to read. I know that GED was hard to get but take your time buddy.
mike: You're probably right. It may not help to be armed, but I think I'd have a LITTLE better chance if I was. I'll bet you think it would be better to just get on your knees and die?
Who ever said that? I do owns guns so I think I stand just as good a chance as you do. Do I own AR's ? No. Do I own a 12 ga with 00 buckshot shells? Absolutely. Along with my judge pistol that hold 410 shotgun shells.
Dude - you seriously need to learn to read and add some reading comprehension in there.
You assume they wouldnt be coming for you - I feel the direct opposite. LOL
For those helping to dismantle the 2nd amendment, I have this warning for you.
Someday, you or someone you love will need a gun. You will wish you or they had one. When you're at a funeral, you'll think how it might have been different if one of the "good guys" had been able to fight back. Oh, I know, you can say, "it'll never happen to me". Well it only takes once.
No reasonable person is calling for guns to be outlawed. For every crackpot far left liberal who is calling for total disarming the country there's a far right wing nut jobs who thinks everyone should own a grenade launcher.
No one in the middle is calling for you to turn in your pistols and shotguns.
In my 87 years I haven't been to a funeral where any one had been murdered by a "responsible " gun owner. Did have a son-in-law that shot off a part of his hand once with a hunt gun! They keep yelling a "responsible gun owner doesn't have gun accidents or does a killing ??? I am sure that they were responsible for doing or causing the shooting to happen. Doubt if I will ever need one in the few years I have left I expect I most likelywill have a heart attack before I ever will need a gun_— PS: I do own a one but have no reason to have one.
mike; I'mglad you used the term, "reasonable person". The following if from the brady bunch.
"In 2001, Handgun Control, Inc. changed its name to Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence. The organization originated (1974) as the National Council to Control Handguns (NCCH), a group which lobbied for government restrictions on the right to keep and bear arms through support for restrictions on the manufacture, importation, sale, transfer, and civilian possession of handguns. The organization voiced a desire for an eventual handgun ban through gradual steps"
... some people are just plain old stupid ... if the 2nd Amendment falls, there wont be anything or anyone left to Stop them from taking even the shotguns ......
... many people will Fall for anything and Stand for nothing.
Isn't it great to see the troll, Leftisfascist, up nice and early getting ready for his circle jerk? I cannot read his posts, he is on IGNORE this morning. but looking at the number of posts from Lefty so far, I bet he is spreading nothing but good cheer and smiles all around!
Happiness abounds in the gun nut world today!
All over the world ladies are being raped daily. Please imagine a young girl being chased. Suddenly she stops running, turns and pulls a gun from her purse. The rapist drops to his knees and starts begging. Now doesn't that make you smile?
If they are being raped daily, they need to get out of that city, not buy a gun. Common sense would dictate that.
Of course, that would only apply to legitimate rape.
SMILE!
I usually dont think about rapists in terms of bettering my mood.
Say What, now what if the person is unable to leave for any reason, business, economic issues, etc...
Big news out of Dallas this morning!
George W Bush will not be attending President Obama's Inauguration. That is not really a surprise as his own party did not invite him to their Convention in 2012.
Oh goody. A reply from Lefty!
Wonder what it says? Who cares what it says? Usually nothing worth reading.
He is probably stroking his barrel on his gun...smiling from ear to ear to ear.
One thing is certain....every time I take him off ignore...the IQ on the page plummets (that means drops, Lefty in case you cannot handle big words).
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@Say What; Lefty you say can't handle big words. Its a known fact that the south is the most uneducated than the rest of the states and they are all red states so you sound as if you are one of the uneducated. Can't talk any sense into the uneducated , sounds like they still think Romney won the election.
Hey! I resent that fact, and besides the only reason most business oriented citizens are republicans is because the dems will tax everything they have away! At least the small business owners anyway...
According to a new ABC News/Washington Post poll, President Barack Obama’s approval rating is
near an all-time high, and the public is on his side in the upcoming debt ceiling debate.
The poll finds Obama’s approval rating at 55 percent, his highest level since November, 2009
(excluding a brief bump up to 56 percent after the president ordered the raid that killed
Osama bin Laden in 2011)… 61 percent view Obama as a strong leader — his highest level in three
years — and 53 percent say they’re optimistic about the policies he’ll pursue in his second term.
By contrast, voters intensely dislike Obama’s opponents in the House of Representatives. Congress
has just a 19 percent approval rating; 37 percent approve of House Democrats, and 24 percent
approve of House Republicans. Additionally, 67 percent believe that Republican leadership is doing
too little to give ground in negotiations, compared to 48 percent who say that is true of the president.
These numbers represent a serious rebuke to House Speaker John Boehner’s assertion that
“the American people do not support raising the debt ceiling without reducing government spending
at the same time,” and some Republicans are taking notice. Many prominent conservatives —
including former House Speaker and presidential candidate Newt Gingrich, and the Koch
brothers-backed group Americans for Prosperity — have warned that a debt ceiling fight could be
politically disastrous for the party.
As Representative Tom Cole (R-OK) ominously told The Hill, “Majorities are elected to do things,
and if they become dysfunctional, the American people will change what the majority is.”
The president at all time high approval and the house at all time low. Hey republicans! Can ya take a hint?
Mike...
Can they take a hint? One might think November was a pretty strong hint....
Probably not. I look for the repubs to lose the house next year.
Agreed...
2016 = Hillary/ Julian Castro
2020 = 2nd term
2024 = Julian Castro
2028 = 2nd term
The earliest hope the GOP has is 2032.
Christie's weight would hinder him from the rigors of a serious campaign. I know from experience what weight can do to you. And he is the BEST they got
Arizona and others you ask what crime every one but you knows its a federal law but the law is too lax and needs some teeth in it so it needs expanded so private sales they would be registered also..
Why did the paper stop publishing the names ?? Its because of the responsible violent threatening innocent employees of the newspaper. They were threatening to use their killing machines as they are jmeant for. They are for killing and not for fun as they are being used for.It shows that they have no business owning guns when they threaten the workers at the paper. Too hell with how many innocents are killed I need my TOYS !
clayton: What I ask for was the law number, that says I must register my guns. Just someone saying it's the law doesn't make it so.
Did you know: Four states do not require permits for concealed guns? And 12 more are working on the same laws right now.
Who knows the law number everyone with a brain knows it the law . Go look up it up yourself if you know how to read, Yes almost every state even has it on their law books maybe not the most crazy state of Arizona but most other states do. So theres too many law numbers for me to look up or I would.
Arizona even has more idiots in their government than the state I live in and it Florida with a thief they elected for governor.
Just find ONE or admit you are lying.
I've already looked them up. It's my business.
Guns needs controls on just like the controls there is on cars. Registeration every year for all , test (mental) for all. liability insurance for all, Who is it that has to pay the medical bills for all the gun shootings?
I have 50 plus cars. NO LAW IN THE LAND REQUIRES ME TO REGISTER THEM. And I can carry them ANYWHERE in the USA, un-registered.
You keep thinking because you live in the wild west that everyone else does. My state also requires vehicles to be registered.
mike: What is the vehicle code number? This is my business and I've never been able to find one. So you could be a big help. Please.
You mean the VIN? All cars need titles and on the title is who the car is registered to. Also - I pay annual vehicle REGISTRATIONS on all my vehicles. WTF? Do you live in some alternative universe?
Read post #40, then come up with another excuse why you just can't ever be wrong. Or apologize, if you have the balls.
Sorry Mike, Clayton, WI doesn't have firearms registration either, only the background check for purchase & concealed carry, no check for open carry.
I hope all the libtards have good lawyers. Calling other people criminals without proof is LIBEL. The best way to shut a liberal up is to after their pocketbook. It's okay for them to go after YOUR pocketbook, but when you start going after theirs, they change their tune.
Arizona_Tumbleweed - do you REALLY think these liberal ragheads will ever apologize? These aren't normal people such as you and I. They don't care of the lies they tell or the feelings they hurt - they will do whatever it takes to advance their agenda, regardless of how misguided those goals may be.
Clayton,
Of course you are correct, but, trying to convince the gun-loving trolls is no more effective than talking to a box of rocks
When you come right down to it...the rocks are far likely to listen and understand....they are not bigoted or hateful, not homophobic, don't hate women and kids.
Basically, anyone who doesn't agree with you is a big, dumb poopy-head, right?
Federal law enforcement gun seizures and prosecutions have gone down over 40% since 2009. Look it up. Now put a liberal spin on why this is happening. Not one word from the President about enforcing existing gun laws. Not one word from the President about mandatory sentencing in Federal and State courts for gun violence. Where is Eric Holder bragging about what he has done over the last four years to curb gun violence.
Prove where you got those stats from
mike: I don't own an AR, or ANY semi-autos. Nor any shotguns. I just don't like them.
But, I'm American enough to defend YOUR right to own them.
IF you run out of Charmin, there is always this newspaper.
WOW! Lefty is in great form....3 posts in a row, 4 out of 5!
Bet they are all one-liners and gems!