counting child abuse is a tactic used to inhance the charges. If you were arrested for running from the cops in a car, you would most likely also be charged for speeding, running stop lights, turning without signaling, public indangerment.......in a world where it is easy to be a dick, so many people take the easy way

dazed

How can child abuse enhance murder charges ????

What little the article says is five people killed, two adults and three children. Murder is murder not child abuse. What I want to know is WHERE did he get the guns from ???? Willing to bet they were already in the house and UNSECURED !!!!!!!

bob1/28 - The article also states that the bodies were riddled with bullets. I agree, how can that not be murder and how does filing a child abuse ending in death be a better alternative to 1st degree murder?

I guess if you just shoot "at" a kid it's labeled as abuse rather than attempted murder? Makes no sense.

DV68

They most likely rushed this story on line because an assault style weapon was found at or near the scene. Wish they held it off till they had more facts to release.

All of these flare ups just recently seems a little strange. Something odd about it.As for you BLS i'm certain you are free to stop by in more places than just a few,lol.

bob1/28

dazed

How can child abuse enhance murder charges ????

What little the article says is five people killed, two adults and three children. Murder is murder not child abuse. What I want to know is WHERE did he get the guns from ???? Willing to bet they were already in the house and UNSECURED !!!!!!!

It's not necessarily enhanced charges, unless there are statutes which would include that; endangerment of a child, or crime where the victim was disabled, et cetera. The main impact will be in the sentencing phase, where aggravating circumstances would weight in after the defendent was ruled guilty on such charges, in judging such crime to a be of a blatant, loathsome, cruel, or wantonly cruel nature.

I'm going to give you all permission in advance, to beat my next statements up, as I know so many of you will, but I'm standing my ground on this.

TELEVISION, VIDEO GAMES, MOVIE THEATRES ....VIOLENCE, VIOLENCE and MORE VIOLENCE!!!

A family "RIDDLED" with bullets? Assault rifles?? These are copycat showdowns! Get this violent carp off the market and out of the hands of these kids!!!

BAN THE RECREATIONAL VIOLENCE!!! Where the h3II ELSE are these kids getting these ideas in their heads?

ConwayTwitter

Other countries with the same games, movies, & music don't seem to have the same problem so the explanation is elsewhere.

I suggested in another post on gun violence that people take a look at Fight or Flight examples and see if it fits. Seems to me that if a person is in a constant state of Fight or Flight one can become paranoid to the point of not being rational about actions. It also explains why teens might want to seek this out with all those natural chemicals heightened thus the rush.

This fits better than any other explanation I can find for the behaviour.

perhaps the "child abuse resulting in death" charge is a way of stacking the deck---adding more charges, as it were, to make sure that the kid really gets put away for a long time. just a guess.

Exactly, we never had gun related killings in this country before television or vidseo games came into existence.

bob1/28

How can child abuse enhance murder charges ????

"Child abuse resulting in death" is probably a more serious crime with harsher penalties than a murder charge.

Sailcat...wonderfully stated.

Unless he didn't actually shoot the kids, but was beating them or something, when the 2 adults came running to stop it. One can die from being beaten..... The details would have to come out on that one however....

If one takes what little is in the article, it does sound like the cause of death for the 3 kids was different from the cause of death to the 2 adults; or it would make little sense to have issued the charges as such, as the OP pointed out. I kinda find it hard to believe that the cops were saying murdering kids isn't murder or something like that; something else was going on wrt them....

mo-1689590

Get it right.....once the indians had guns, the government came in, said they wanted to peacefully take the guns from the indians. When the indians surrendered their firearms, they were then shot. It is called Masacare at Wounded Knee, look it up.

I really feel the media should start covering all the drive by shootings happening in the hoods of America everyday. I know that is not politically correct to cover things like that, but if a firecracker goes off today, the media is all over it to try and back Barry.

@bobi---Murdering a child is most definitely child abuse. Just because someone shoots another does not automatically make it murder...These are enhancements to help the state secure a guilty verdict as opposed to having a case dismissed on grounds. Never heard of CYA??? They use it all the time

Exactly, we never had gun related killings in this country before television or vidseo games came into existence.

I guess Billy the Kid musta been an avid video game player even though the electric light hadn't been invented yet, let along the computer. And all the people involved in the OK Corale incident musta watched TV a century before it's invention :o

To say nothing of all the umm, interactions between the settlers and Native Americans that did not end well....

Nuadormrac,

Your blog makes no sense... I bet the young man was on a series of meds...Anyone want to make

a bet? ADHD, ADD, and the leading cause for meds today, autism..

All of you do know that the Computer was modelled after how the Human Mind (Logic, Computer Logic Charts for creating Computer Programs) Works.

For the Longest time many Nation's Governments attempted and some succeeded in programing the Human Mind, some examples (not conspiracy theories) were/are the North Korean "Brain Washing", US Government MK Ultra, Worldwide various "Cults", Psychologists and Psychiatrists as "Deprogrammers" (like Deprogramming Patty Hearst), etc..

Of note pertaining to the successful use of subliminal suggestions in the Visual Media, were the now Illegal use of inserted advertisement frames into Movies at a Drive Inn Theater. These frames for Hot Dogs, Hamburgers, Sodas, Popcorn, increased sales at the Drive Inn Theater's Concession Stand, and were not visible except to the subconscious mind (unless the movie was slowed down to a very slow frame rate). In the computer age (digital media) instead of the physical cut and glue age of cellulose film, this can be done in a few seconds on even free amateur video editing computer software.

There is also the Psychological Conditioning like Pavlov's Dog and other Human Experiments, Rewards for required Behavior (Good or Bad) and Punishment for undesired Behavior (Good or Bad). Example of video gameslike the GTA Series, Murder is rewarded as Good Behavior.

As far a "Parental Guidance" (LOL, sure you are going to "Deprive" your child from what the neighbor's child is already playing (video game) or watching (movies, television).). Most Parents know much later that their child will just go to "a friend's" to go play or watch anything that they disapprove of anyway. Many parents also believe that the more they disapprove the more their child will want that video game, movie, etc.. There are even some parents that are "enablers" that want to be popular with their child's friends, as to why there are even Public Announcements against parents hosting parties that serve alcohol to children. Unlike most other Nations that have strict Rules, that hold the Parents, Family, and Relatives 100% Responsible, Pecuniary Liable, Fiduciary Liable, etc. that is NOT the case at the US.

Of course there is the factor of MONEY, as in the money used to Lobby (Bribe) the US Politicians, in the Billions per year (Trillions per year Worldwide) of the "Entertainment Industry".

As far as "Ratings" of Video Games, Television, Movies, etc. within the US, those are Voluntary, and unlike other Nations with Government Control; not maintained by nor enforced by Law (Criminal Liabilites, Civil Liabilities, etc.).

To make someone believe certain behavior is acceptable, there is the example of the escaped North Korean Prisoner that believed that he was born to be a Prisoner, and the Guards were born to be Guards (just like many of you do not know what the rest of the World really is like, other than what the Censored and Monitored US News Media told you IAW President Obama's US Laws, January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts, Section: Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications):

North Korean prisoner escaped after 23 brutal years

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50136263n

Bottomline, most of you would not know just to what extent you were programmed, manipulated, etc. as you have nothing else to compare with as the baseline (unless you have actually lived (firsthand experience) at many other Nations for many years (not just visiting, with knowing that Nation's Culture means surviving or not). It is quite different looking into the Fishbowl (US) from the outside.

Example: One of my favorite Video/Game Rental places (like what used to be US Blockbuster) was shutdown after an undercover law enforcement was rented a game that was rated above the age of the "underaged" undercover law enforcement officer, similar to undercover law enforcement at the US posing as a minor attempting to buy cigarettes or alcohol; except they take it very seriously (as Law), including confiscations of all properties by the Government, including those things purchased by "ill gotten gains" (like the video/game rental owners home, vehicles, etc.), etc..

So do not even attempt to use the excuse of, "other Nations", unless you lived (not just visiting) at that (those) Nation(s).

"This isn't just about guns," Biden said on Thursday at the U.S. Conference of Mayors in Washington, D.C. "It's about the coarsing of our culture.

"Yes, that's what I said, the coarsening of our culture, whether it's with video games or movies or behavior," Biden said.

Biden Blames Violence on 'Coarsening of Our Culture'

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/biden-blames-violence-coarsening-our-culture

@fix it man - Well said....

david

Please take your meds and try to relax. If you really believe that we are being subliminally controlled by flash frame images inserted in whatever we are watching by some secret diabolical organization, then you are in serious need of psychiatric help.

"Murder" charge doesn't have the word "child" in it. You get to fan the anti's flames if you can use children. Certainly it was murder but if there are multiple gunshot wounds you can claim the first shot wasn't a kill shot and from this you can call it torture/abuse. No point in making the same charge for the adults because they are not "children"... no fanning the flames of outrage... well not so much anyway.

BLS-744646 - All guns need to go.

OK, you and all the anti gun nuts pull out your gun (penis) and let me cut your gun off.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4kU0XCVey_U

As usual SO WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO TAKE AWAY THE FIREARMS, ETC. FROM ALL THE US LABOR UNION MEMBERS ENDORSING MURDER AND ARREST THEM (Terroristic Threatening, Conspiracy to Commit Murder, etc.), Rule by Exception is a Dictatorship. What pertains to everyone else pertains to them also:

The same Demoncraptic Party that demands the killing of anyone that disagrees with them:

Union Leader Jimmy Hoffa Junior during President Obama Reelection Campaign Rally, "President Obama, this is your Army. We are ready to march. Let's take these son of b!tches out and give America back to an America where we belong."

If this sounds like the Chancellor Hitler's Brown Shirts and National Socialist German Workers Party (a Political Labor Union) or Mussolini's Blackshirts, it is, as that is what the current US Labor Unions were modelled after.

President Obama's longtime "Agenda" to circumvent to US Constitution:

President Obama has his Appointed US Ambassador to the United Nations push for UN Gun Treaty:

Democrats Oppose Obama UN Gun Treaty

http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/07/26/democrats-oppose-obama-un-gun-control-treaty

So yes, the President Obama never made public or stated "AGENDA" has been the Removal of US Citizens Constitutional Rights for a very long time already (since 2009).

President Obama's January 21, 2009 Patriot Acts (Plural US Laws). Expanded Presidential Powers. US Military Use of Deadly Force Against US Citizens. Preemptive Detentions of US Citizens. Monitoring and Censorship of All US Communications. Without Warrant Mandatory Cooperation of US Communications Providers. US Military Tribunals renamed by the Obama Administration as US Military Commissions (Legal Defense no access to "classified" witnesses nor "classified" evidence used by Prosecution). (No) Support to Terrorist Organizations (No Legal Representation as "Expert Advise" per 2010 US Supreme Court Ruling, currently being fought by ACLU). Inclusion of the previously defeated as Unconstitutional US Senate S.1959 and US House of Representatives H.R.1955 aka the George Orwell 1984 Thought Crimes Laws, in that the written or witnessed verbal thought is the Felony Crime, not the Act, example: the definition from S.1959 and H.R.1955, "Anyone stating a radical change to (US) Government is a Homegrown Domestic Terrorist".

During a staged news media event, January 22, 2009 President Obama signs into US Laws his Patriot Acts, 04:38 minutes of 11:55 minutes:

Naomi Wolf: 'Obama can lock any US citizen up without trial'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLSeD19m3UE&feature=fvst

President Obama's 2012 NDAA, US Military Indefinite Detentions of US Citizens:

Obama Signs NDAA, ACLU Disgusted

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IeuE16LLDY

Feds' electronic snooping of Americans up sharply, says ACLU

http://www.nbcnews.com/technology/technolog/feds-electronic-snooping-americans-sharply-says-aclu-6170914

President Obama to circumvent US Congress,"The Will of the People", keep clicking "Next", see anything Unconstitutional, TOUGH that is what you Voted you wanted:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/presidential-actions

Here is something for all you John Wayne's out there that think putting guns in the hands of everyone is a good idea.

When our fight or flight response is
activated, sequences of nerve cell firing occur and chemicals like adrenaline,
noradrenaline and cortisol are released into our bloodstream. These patterns of
nerve cell firing and chemical release cause our body to undergo a series of
very dramatic changes. Our respiratory rate increases. Blood is shunted away
from our digestive tract and directed into our muscles and limbs, which require
extra energy and fuel for running and fighting. Our pupils dilate. Our awareness
intensifies. Our sight sharpens. Our impulses quicken. Our perception of pain
diminishes. Our immune system mobilizes with increased activation. We become
prepared—physically and psychologically—for fight or flight. We scan and search
our environment, "looking for the enemy."

When our fight or flight system is
activated, we tend to perceive everything in our environment as a possible
threat to our survival. By its very nature, the fight or flight system bypasses
our rational mind—where our more well thought out beliefs exist—and moves us
into "attack" mode. This state of alert causes us to perceive almost everything
in our world as a possible threat to our survival. As such, we tend to see
everyone and everything as a possible enemy. Like airport security during a
terrorist threat, we are on the look out for every possible danger. We may
overreact to the slightest comment. Our fear is exaggerated. Our thinking is
distorted. We see everything through the filter of possible danger. We narrow
our focus to those things that can harm us. Fear becomes the lens through which
we see the world.

So everyone having guns knowing this is a good idea?

Take look at what is said about people that are in a prolonged state of Fight or Flight.

its the nuts geting all the press thats the problem...

Steve-3564331,

Stop attempting to play amateur Psychologist.

Go take College Level Psychology Courses.

Example: Explain the FBI's Psychological term "Predators" with your "Fight or Flight".

huskergal - The second amendment gives us the right yo bear arms and to form a militia is case of attack.

Go take some College Level History Courses. That is NOT the only reason for the Second Amendment.

By the way Justin B-3020259, everyone IS "Programmed" and "Subliminal Suggestions" used all the time with the Billions USDs per year spent on "Marketing and Advertising", as not some "secret organization" nor "conspiracy theory".

Has anyone noticed how the MEDIA is reporting on just about every gun homicide there is and leaving out any not using a gun ??? Which make up 70% of all homicides !!

It would seem that the press is oddly all over anything to do with gun shootings lately,I thought the media was supposed to take an unbiased stand on issues. The day the newtown shootings happened I read on msn's homepage that the ar was found in the trunk,and later that night watched a news video of them pulling it out of the trunk? I'm having a hard time believing anything they write anymore! I do know bush attacked the constitution with the patriot act,and he is republican,obama attacked the constitution with his health care plan,forcing all americans to pay for a service weather they want it or not! It would have been declared unconstitutional if they had not refered to it as a tax,and obama is a democrat! So it appears that both parties wish to strip us of the constitution,and are doing so bit by bit. I do know china has labor camps,and I do know we have camps,called fema camps,that right now are all over the country,empty not being used at the moment. What their for,I have no idea,I just know we have them. If they keep the people divided it makes it easier for them to do,whatever it is they plan on doing,but I did not hear him say the economy was on his agenda?1st term ,his first year and a half craming an unconstitutional health care bill down our throats,and now his focus is again, on infringing on the constitution? But then again if they fill the camps with the people that don't work,and we have labor camps then we can get rid of wellfare all together!!

David,

I have taken many college and graduate classed. The second amendment says

“A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” (1791)

We, the people, are the militia for our respective states. We have the right to bear arms. There is no question about this. However is it necessary to have assault weapons in out home? Why not have a town armory where these can be stored and protected?

david-475776

Stop attempting to play amateur Psychologist.

Go take College Level Psychology Courses.

Thanks I have.....That's how I knew what the term Fight or Flight meant.

You haven't even looked at the syndrome associated with flight or fight.

"Predators" falls into another category. ...It assumes the person perpetrating the act lay in wait or stalks over taking the victim with very little or no warning.

You can not say for any certainty that any of the killings lately where that of "predators", as they most likely fall under perceived fight or flight by the person taking the action.

Maybe it is you that needs a class or 2.

Gun violence is relevant news. It's not a "liberal media" thing. It's bringing the truth out front. If the truth doesn't support your world view, and you want to the news to say what you want to hear, go to F0X and listen to the whiners.

The big picture is about the lives of millions vs. the lives of a few...From our Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are

created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with

certain unalienable rights, that among these are life, liberty

and the pursuit of happiness."

Steming from this equality is the fact that we only have the rights that we allow one another... or... we cannot infringe on the rights of others without stepping on our own rights. To preserve our own rights we must allow others to have these same rights including criminal and/or mentally unstable people.

Innocent until proven guilty has to apply to everyone or guilty till imprissoned or executed will apply to everyone. Anyone remember Stalin, Mao Tse Tung, Hitler? Don't be fooled into thinking that we would be allowed our rights if we couldn't defend them with firearms.

It was once said that the tree of American liberty must be watered from time to time with blood. How dare you people think of pruning that American tree of Liberty now that it has been watered with the blood of children... or crime victims blood for that matter.

@ fix it man:

sigh....the second amendment is not for hunting or to protect you from killers. its to protect you from big government that goes corrupt

So, I guess if fix-it-man's logic for the Second Amendment is correct then individuals should not only be permitted to own assault rifles, but should also be allowed (and even encouraged) to own anti-tank weapons, grenade launchers, anti-aircraft rockets, and perhaps even nuclear-armed missiles.

[sarcasm on/] After all, if the founding fathers truly intended the 2nd amendment to protect individual Americans against a corrupt federal government, then they must have wanted all Americans to be well-armed enough to fight and "defend their liberties" against even the U.S. Army -- which, by extension, represents that "big, corrupt" federal government that fix-it-man is worried about. After all, what's the point of arming citizens with little pistols when they need to be able to fight against the U.S. Army, which has a huge stockpile of much more sophisticated and deadly weaponry. [sarcasm off/]

No thanks, fix-it-man. I don't think that was ever the intent of the framers of the Constitution. I don't believe that Thomas Jefferson or his contemporaries ever envisioned arming American citizens to fight against their own federal government. It's always interesting how NRA supporters always seem to gloss over that little phrase in the 2nd Amendment about a "well-regulated militia". Somehow, that part of the Amendment seems to be totally irrelevant to them.

Umm because he is only 15 and still a minor the SAME laws do not apply. Only if they try him as an adult are they the same, depends on the state. Therefore, they might need every conviction they can get just to keep him in jail as long as possible.

There should be one rifle death on average each and every day in this country or is math that hard? One person killing 5 or so a week is NORMAL. So are the 32 or so handgun homicides we have each and every day in this country. Why do they not make the news, but mention a semi-automatic rifle that may or may not even have been used since the story was so rushed and it is front page news?

@David and Dragon You do not need to program people to do anything. There were two men caught on VIDEO running out of Sandy Hook. There were three police officers chasing after the first guy. The first was apprehended and placed in the FRONT of a police car. The other was captured at a fire station (why would the guy go to a fire station?). Both were dressed in camo pants and black tops. The theater shooter is a zombie now, but someone else could have done the shootings and ran leaving him to take the fall/rap. He could have been drugged for a long time prior.

The gun I saw them pull out of the trunk was a shotgun. You could tell when they cleared it and the shell came out. The fake father who had to get himself sad or "in part" is just pathetic.

What the eyes see and the ears hear, the mind believes.

@Steve WTF are you talking about? How can someone go all day long, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year in fight or flight mode? How and the F*** does simple possessing a gun put someone on edge ALL DAY LONG or in fight or flight? It is only when their lives are in danger do they ever DO something. That is the ONLY time fight or flight kicks in moron sorry to break it to you. Maybe you should do a little more research into when fight or flight ACTUALLY happens.

Gun owners do not have a responsibility to come and save your sorry a$$es. We have guns so we can save our own a$$es first. If you are someone we know are care about maybe we will bother to put our lives in danger. What sensible person would not try to avoid conflict in the first place? If I thought anyone would actually come to help me instead of running the opposite way I might not feel the need to have a gun. If it did not take police 12 minutes on average to respond to a 911 call I might not feel the need to have a gun. If only criminals could not buy illegal guns I would not feel the need to have a gun. If bullies did not have 50 to 100 pounds more muscle then me I would not feel the need to have a gun either. I have yet to be in a fight or flight situation, and I have owned my guns for years and years.

Gun beats rock, gun beats bow and arrows, gun beats knives, guns beats sword, gun beats hammer, gun beats bat...need I go on or do you think that guns are an "equalizer" or not?

Can we not hear where the guns came from first before more knee jerk B.S.? Maybe the parents did not lock them up and were stupid, if that was the case they paid for it with their lives.

Gee how many people under the age of 25 commit these acts and maybe that is a common thread? Has anyone in recent history (past couple months) been anyone over the age of 25 or so?

Tired-2176559

@Steve WTF are you talking about? How can someone go all day long, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year in fight or flight mode? How and the F*** does simple possessing a gun put someone on edge ALL DAY LONG or in fight or flight? It is only when their lives are in danger do they ever DO something. That is the ONLY time fight or flight kicks in moron sorry to break it to you. Maybe you should do a little more research into when fight or flight ACTUALLY happens.

The Fight or Flight Response and PTSD

When people experience something traumatic and/or have PTSD, they may no longer feel as though the world is a safe place. It may feel as though danger is everywhere. As a result, a person may constantly be in a state of fear and anxiety. For this reason, cognitive-behavioral treatments for PTSD often focus a lot of attention on altering the ways in which people interpret their environment. Mindfulness may be another way of "taking a step back" from thoughts, reducing their power to activate the fight or flight response.

Maybe you should read a bit more, this is how someone can go 24/7 with Fight or Flight.

To Huskergal...

The reason we can't keep our assault weapons in a town armory is because the Tyrants that this right is designed to protect us against would then just go to the armory and relieve us of all our defenseless weapons... Yes I said defenseless, Firearms are completely helpless if no one is holding them... something a lot of anti-gun people seem to miss.

to continue: (just in case your not satisfied with my response)

It would be great if anxiety and fear only occurred in situations where we were in immediate danger. Unfortunately, it does not always work this way. For example, many people have fear and anxiety when speaking in front of other people. You may also have fear and anxiety when meeting someone new. A person with PTSD may experience fear and anxiety when they go out into crowded or cramped places, such as a grocery store or a subway. These situations are not dangerous in the sense that they don't threaten our survival. So, why might we have fear and anxiety in these situations?

We have fear and anxiety in these situations because of the way we evaluate these situations. Our body cannot always tell the difference between real and imagined threat. Therefore, when we interpret a situation as threatening, our body is going to respond as though that situation is dangerous and threatening, even if it really isn't in actuality.

Now do you get the picture? Add a gun to this and what do you have?

Juvenile or not he killed 5 people.

Hang the little b*stard at 15 year old he knew what he was doing. Get with it you bleeding hearts

david-475776 How do I know you weren't programmed to type out that screed? Using your logic, I could say you were programmed by the right wing nut job conspiracy theorists :/.

Rufnek,

Unwashed? Gun owners are unwashed? Are you washed? Do you wipe yourself when you finish? I'm against gun violence, but categorizing all people that own guns as unwashed is uneducated. There are good reasons to own guns, believe it or not.

I'm really glad guns don't kill people!!! And AR-15's don't kill people even more!!

Is this young man in our country illegally?

Someone maybe in a constant state of fear and anxiety bcause of PTSD. But it is physiologically impossible to be in fight or flight syndrome 24/7. The adrenal cortex will simply not support the production of adrenalin for extended periods of time

what do they have to gain?

They have to gain the support of uneducated idiots in favor of gun control and the liberal pansy asses approval

Steve -

A'm not going to cut and paste all you've had to say, but will answer the final question of your screed:

"Add a gun to this and what do you have?"

- Hopefully you have an intended victim who is now known as a "survivor."

To everyone who thinks concealed carry is the answer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8QjZY3WiO9s

Here's part 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLN6_s66wTg

mpa-4893349

- Hopefully you have an intended victim who is now known as a "survivor."

I would hope so with proper treatment.. The "screed" was for a few that couldn't take facts as I spoke to the possible motive of the killings that have been in the news lately.

WSU Coug

Ask someone with PTSD & yes that is why they get treatment and are on medication. The rush is not constant as there is a lull and an extreme burn out from the rush so it is separated by periods or cycles.....Again, ask anyone with this and they will tell you it's 24/7.

Jean-982597

Sounds like profiling. Or at the very least, jumping to conclusions.

Huskergal, everyface,

God bless you and everyone that thinks like you, you are all a very special kind of stupid!

Tired-2176559

You are a god among men.

Gun violence has been going on since I can remember. The media has been exploiting gun violence due to better coverage and technology. Lately the media has been using it to convey their beliefs to the viewers and audience. Regardless, every armchair politician and self-righteous person on this blog could care less about the deaths of these people. Only 1% of the people on this blog have expressed their condolences. This is proof that the media and politics go hand in hand. No one can read the news and feel for the victims, instead it becomes a political subject.

TR66: The Militia IS the armed civilian populace. NOT the National Guard, not the Army/USMC/Navy/Air Force/etc... you insist on sucking on the teat of the anti-gun crowd that misinterprets the Second Amendment.

The lame-stream media (in Soros' & the White House's back pocket) is driving this issue.

Why not look to where the MAJORITY of the violence with guns is occurring: in the areas inhabited by those on the lower rungs of the socio-economic ladder. Until you fix this, crime will continue to occur. And stop f*cking with the legal gun ownership rights of law-abiding citizens.

jrsquid, gun violence has been going since guns, murder since Cain murdered his brother, but that doesn't make it okay. Of course people are sympathetic when people are murdered with guns. The difference is some are willing to support action that prevents further gun violence, while others prefer to do nothing. Your logic that not expressing condolences to people not yet named, is like saying people who don't wear flag pins are unpatriotic and hate our troops. The matter is political because that's what it will take to do something about this.

It was a Fast and Furious gun.

Steve -

No offense intended with use "screed" - more an excuse for not cutting and pasting a lot.

#2.34 Take look at what is said about people that are in a prolonged state of Fight or Flight.

There was a quote on here the other day from a Canadian who said they don't watch the U.S. News because it makes them feel as though they should be afraid of everything. Did you ever think that somebody's got you in a constant state of fear? That maybe you are not thinking rationally and are ready to piss away your rights and the rights of future Americans for a false promise of saftey.

Steve..now what you say makes sense, I was merely pointing out that the constant release of adrenaline is impossible. There is a condition that is not related to PTSD where this happens, over production by the adrenal cortex, kidney failure results very quickly.

Just today there are three articles about people killed by guns. In addition to this one, there was a shooting in L.A. at a punk concert and in Texas, a father shot & killed his estranged wife and himself at his daughter's 16th birthday party. Given that so many of these deaths result from mentally unstable people, it occurs to me that a possible solution to the federal debt problem would be cutting social security exposure by giving more guns to senior citizens. Here in Sun City, a handgun should be issued along with a new person's welcome packet. I'm sure that soon, we could dramatically reduce the population of seniors who otherwise would be drawing from S.S.

The name Nehemiah suggests the boy grew up in a Christian fundamentalist sect. But you folks go ahead and blame the guns.

Everyone needs to look at the whole picture. The 2nd Amendment of the Constitution guarantees the right to "bear arms" just as the 1st Amendment guarantees the right of "freedom of the press, and free speech". Just as the 1st Amendment does not specify what "freedom of the press" is (does it cover electronic media? how could it since our founding fathers had no idea of TV, radio, the internet or computers - so is "freedom of the press" restricted just to printed media? NO. The same goes for "freedom of speech" since our founding fathers had no idea of radio, or PA systems, is "freedom of speech" restricted to only speaking to a crowd in your presence? NO So neither is the 2nd Amendment just restricted to "musket and ball".

If the 2nd Amendment can be chipped away so easily, then what's to stop a poltical party in power to deny others the right to vote?

You want to repeal the 2nd Amendment? It requires a 2/3 majority passage in the House and Senate, signed by the President AND RATIFIED by 34 states. It will not pass the House, or the Senate and will not be ratified 34 states, let alone 20 states.

Without an Class 3FFL no one in the United States legally owns an assault rifle. The general public owns "assault style" and even a paintball gun can fall into this category. As "assault style" is ALL COSMETIC.

People have stated on here "Well, what about owning a tank or machine gun." Well if you have the money and paperwork you can own them. I even own a working cannon and no paperwork is required.

The problem is our culture, it's not the guns. It has been stated that violent movies and games are the problem, I agree with that to a point, it's also the parents. Yes Japan has violent movies and games, but their parenting culture is different.

Just take a look at the fans at a US football game and compare them to the fans at an European football game, why are they so rowdy and our fans are behaved???

And if "violent games and movies" don't effect children, why were tobacco adds taken off TV?

HOLD ONTO YOUR .22 calibers, the boy killed with one.( .22'S ARE NEXT, then comes the rest). Why do you think they emphasized the AR type rifle had a scope on it and was used at probably point blank range?

According to the local Albuquerque TV news, the killer kid planed to kill his girlfriend's family. The killer kid texted his 12-year old girlfriend a photo of his dead mother. How horrible.

I LVOE News Anchorette Shelly Ribando of KOAT. She's such a Cutie Pie. I want to kiss her.

ido.........

these shootings are always in the news. maybe not on fox 'the national enquirer' news channel.

or maybe you just can't read?

depraw

Fox is the only news channel that covers Chicago killings regularly.

Last weekend there were 10 murders in Chicago and 5 in St. Louis. 2.7 million people in Chicago, 318K in St. Louis, percapita sounds like the gun ban works.

That is some funny @!$%# Dave, than explain how Chicago got their ass slapped by the Supreme Court back to reality, and than the murder rates went down? Funny how that is, hey Dave. Sounds like the 2nd Amendment works better.

And what was there 5 or 7 that was shoot a gun shows yesterday? And one of them was shoot by a gun dealer. So where is your outrage over that ? And three were shot by a shot gun when they went to inspect it. And all the bad arse gun people that was there took off running at the sound of the shoot so much for CWP holders.

ido, just three of the dozens of incidents like this come to mind, and happened in the just the last 7 days. This story is one of those. The 2nd story is about a 21-yr old, "law abiding" punk in Hazard ("as in the "dukes of" fame) in kentucky that went into a local gunshop, bought a gun quickly and easily and just four hours later proceeded to shoot and kill his ex-girlfriend (and mother of his child), her 7 year old sister, and her elderly father. Shot them in ambush on the parking lot of Hazard Community College. Best part of this story is that the gun dealer is a Baptist Minister that owned the gunshop. Halleluiah lord, halleluiah. The third story was just yesterday, and it happpened at a gunshow in NC. Another "law-abiding" citizen walked in with his shotgun in order to walk around and sell if for cash to whoever had more money, than sense. At the front door, he was asked to open his gun case to be sure it wan't loaded. Well, it was and when it went off as he opened the case, 3 fellow gunshow attendees were shot. Best part of all, all three were carrying at the time. Tsk, tsk, tsk.

I've lived in the same town for 35 years now. There have been 2 gun deaths here during that time. One during a jailbreak where an officers gun was used against him and one where an officer shot a drunk attacking him with a knife. There was one other murder besides the jailbreak and it was over 20 years ago and not a gun crime. Funny thing is guns outnumber people around here. I think all those guns deter violent crime. Its almost unknown here. Lots of so called assault rifles here too. Around here the liberals are the most vocal pro gun group. They see that the laws are not applied equally to all and do not trust the government to look out for their best interests. They believe government looks out for the oligarchs, bankers, and politicians. I don't think the gun control debate splits along dem-repub lines or conservative-liberal lines.

More proof that the NRA is right, that the only solution to gun violence is more guns. Maybe when everybody is packing, people will be too scared to shoot each other for fear of retaliation, like the NRA says. Or, maybe everybody will have a numbed down sense of the value of human life, including their own, and shoot each other whenever they feel inclined to do so.

BTW- people who pick others' comments apart to take exception need to take a reading comprehension class first.

Just think you gun lovers, YOUR KID MIGHT USE IT TO KILL YOU! Just a thought, something you " responsible" gun owners never thought of. Treat your "unruly" kid with care, someday you might taste the lead yourself!

now ray that was totally uncalled for...it might be your kid...breaking into some body else's guns...

@takenaka

kinda hard to ban assault weapons when it is already illegal to have them in the 1st place, as for high capacity magazines, lets see 3 ten rd. mags vs one 30 rd. mag in a school full of kids since it takes less then a second to which mags the end is the same , if he used a 10/22 with a 50 rd mag we would be talking about banning everything under the sun.

muglitt,

Uneducated people like takenaka (spam of post#2.26), are part of the current problem within the US as:

Too many voters embrace feel-good propaganda that they want to hear instead of learning the basic facts about issues they care about. They should do a better job of calling out dishonest politicians -- and shunning media outlets that stoke political food fights.

http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress

Most people do not know that the higher the capacity of firearms magazine the more prone to jamming (failure or weakening of the magazine spring) as basic physics.

Of course those of us that have served in the US Military for a longtime as US Military Asymmetric Warfare Ground Combat Forces, our lives dependent on reliability, knew that we could not keep the magazines preloaded with ammunition due to that fact (a real pain in the arse constantly unloading after each mission and reloading ammunition magazines prior to each mission to prevent the failure or weakening of the magazine spring, while making sure not to accidentially bend the ammunition feed guides on the magazines).

Uneducated people like takenaka, not knowing about the current Federal Laws (Federal Firearms License) pertaining to the Ownership of Military Assault Weapons (Selective Fire); instead of the "Looks Like" (Appearance versus Actual) Civilian Assault Weapons (Semi Automatic).

These Uneducated people belief ONLY in Appearance (Uneducated Emotive Opinions, Feel Good Propaganda and not Results) instead of Substance (Facts, Actual Performance as Results). As to why the previous "Assault Weapons Ban", had "looks like an Military Assault Weapon with a Bayonet Lug (Bayonet attachment) " as a defining feature of a banned "Assault Weapon".

As a firearms owner, and second amendment supporter, let me address the gun show idiocy. The licensed dealer(s) invovled should have their licenses revoked (I'm guessing this will happen.) The others who were responsible should be prosecuted/sued to the fullest extent allowable under state and local laws.

BTW - I own NO evil-looking "assault weapons." (Though the 50-cal Hawkins buffalo gun that hangs over my fireplace is pretty "evil looking.") (That's a black powder, single-shot, cap and ball rifle for all you grabbers - positively primitive.)

And I will save taken aka the trouble:

Ban single-shot, black powder rifles.

Just change the name of assault weapons to candy popers,and assault weapons will just disappear,kinda like when polititions changed the name of political bribery to campaign contributions!

We need to divide this country into three autonomous regions under the banner of the USA, keep the federal government out of the business of each region except for mutual defense, and go our separate ways.

Jon Jones You truly sound like a schoolyard bully, with an IQ to match your age. And thats the problem with so many of you gun carrying teabaggers.

Don't you get it yet...you are the minority on this subject. A small sect of extremist republican teabaggers whining about change. Well Mr. Jones, change is coming, and it is welcomed by many more Americans then those of you who don't want it. So get used to it.

obama, how about posting some actual links to your claims, rather than just a copy-and-paste rant from a biased RW political talking head like Roger Hedgecock?

Seems it was a family? The 15 year old last name is Griego and so is the male that was killed last name Griego. The killed male was chaplin for the fire department as well as for the jail.

There was an assault rifle found nearby, so they couldn't wait for the details, being MSNBC 'n all.

Sounds like the NRA was right all along: Everyone should have a loaded gun.

If those poor children in this story had been packin' heat, one of them could have blown the perp away after only one or two deaths.

When we register our children for school it should be required to prove the kid's been issued his deadly weapon, like having to show the kid's been vacinated.

Arm them all, I say! It certainly would make recess more fun to watch with children's bloody bodies strewed all about.

More guns! We need more guns! There isn't enough death!

"House fire determined to be arson....Matches found nearby!"

"Driver loses control and rams building, car found in wreckage."

dazed and confused.........

remove your name immediately. you are an insult to Led Zeppelin.

Comm'on, NAYVET. You're never going to get all the details in a ongoing investigation. Your "right to know" stops short of warning other suspects or the suspects and evidence would disappear. Besides, you cant get lab results before the lab tests are complete.

People never cease to amaze me. I guess that is because we are individuals with individual thoughts, but sometimes I am amazed by it all.

You want the details before the investigators get them? You want them minutes after it happens? Maybe it's just another family member flipping out.

nightwalker, that never seems to stop MSNBC from reporting whatever they feel like as "facts".

One of the things that amaze me is the ones who think your 2nd amendment rights are being taken from you, they are not. Pay attention, learn, listen not only to what you want to hear but what you do not want to hear. That is called selective hearing and we all have it from time to time. Look at the idiots in D.C. they think Romney was voted in. Amazing!!!

Jon Jones

yeah right...here ya go...FACT: 5 people are dead. FACT: It was a teen who SHOT them. FACT: That teen is in custody. Another fact...he chose to use a gun...not a knife or a baseball bat...not fire...an assualt rifle...because it was available to him. Like it or not, these are the facts of the story SO FAR. There will be more facts coming out in the days to follow...

@jon and other brain dead a-holes

Once again we see that the people with a paranoid, fetishistic worship of guns are the stupid people's paragons of stupidity.

Where do you f*&^&^ morons think criminals get their guns? The moon? They get them from you, from the insane system of ultra-available gun distribution that YOU support. America's near schizophrenic gun worshipers are responsible for criminals' easy access to guns. These "law-abiding" whackos are up to their ears in blood.

Jon, let's see ..... Yes, I guess the children WERE bad azzz drug dealers. The bodies were riddled with bullets and there was an assault weapon nearby. I would say the weapon was used. Can you add 2+2?

R. Scalzo

You want the details before the investigators get them? You want them minutes after it happens?

Before the investigators get them?? How about before the media prints the story? Details are usually an important part of any story after all.

Jon, you are assuming that just because the crime occurred in New "Mexico" that this family must be Mexican and seeing as they might be Mexican, then they must surely be tied to the cartel. What a bigoted, stereotyping, idiot!

Jon Jones:

nightwalker, that never seems to stop MSNBC from reporting whatever they feel like as "facts".

Must be terribly frustrating for you that reality has a liberal bias.

Hey Jim D.. do you drive a vehicle? If so, you are up to your ears in blood. You are part of the masses that are complicit in fostering vehicle ownership.

How many deaths from cars a year vs. guns?

How much air pollution from cars a year vs. guns?

How many wars are fought and how many die over oil and gasoline for these cars per year vs guns?

How much money do we lose for clean up and whats the environmental impact from oil spills from freighters and oil wells carrying and producing oil and gas for these autos vs. guns?

How many deaths in refinery fires vs guns?

How bad is our ground and water polluted from waste oil and fracking vs guns?

Should I go on?

Jon Jones

Heres another fact for you...the "community" keeps collapsing your comments.

jack-364934

To drive a car you have to go through drivers ed, you have to go through the licensing practice...restricted first, then regular. You have to also have insurance to drive. Some states still have vehicle inspections. And...(and this is important, so pay attention) as problems with cars are realized, "changes" are made for safety...i.e. lap belts then shoulder belts...disc brakes...4 wheel disc brakes...anti lock brakes...air bags...the list goes on...

The point is, these "changes"in gun laws that are being suggested are to try to protect innocent people. Do you have a problem with change? Do you have a problem with trying to protect innocent people? You and the rest of the pro-gun people are steady whinng about how "no body's gonna take my guns." Please show me where ANYBODY in power has said ANYTHING about taking guns away from people. If you have them, they belong to you. The decision being made is whether or not to continue selling assault rifles...You guys are making fools of yourselves running around *itchin and whining about something that doesn't even exist.

Did anyone else notice the "semi-automatic military style rifle" found at the scene?

Get real. Nobody's coming to take your guns! It's too bad that some people in positions of influence are telling people otherwise.

Fear and hate... Fear and hate... The fear and hate campaign has been going on for the last 30 years.

ChrisK -

I'm sure I waste my breath, but Diane Feinstein and the New York state political machine were contemplating and stating "search and seizure" measures. These are not "people in power?"

You have indicated that Jon is collapsed - fact of life, and reality has a liberal bent. Is that like the liberal bent that NBC demonstrated by "editing" the Trayvon tapes?

Changes are being suggested to protect innocent people? I agree. Changes will also effect innocent peoples' right to protect themselves. (notice the word "right" - I did not say privelege)

Donald - see comment to ChrisK above.

bonzmum,,, there is no cure for stuipd, (BLS)

Good one.

Makes you wonder how that would work...

"Hello sir, I'm here to repo your stupid".

"Over my, uh, my, uh over my cold dead brain!"

I get really tired of media outlets furthering the democrat's agenda. If you really want to ban guns you need to overturn the second amendment.

You think that will "get rid of guns" or "ban" them? All you will do is drive the ownership of them further underground. We are not Britons. We are not Chinese. We are not Mexicans. We have had the right to own guns since before the inception of the Constitution.

We are Americans, and if the liberal laws of this country had not monkeyed with the justice system to allow killers and gang bangers who abuse the use of guns back on the streets and protect their gang tactics to terrorize neighborhoods and citizens, there would be fewer firearms deaths to stir the frenzy.

Take the guns from Americans? Who are you? The business manager for the next black market venture for the Mexican cartels?

scremin.........

the NRA already supplies the drug cartels. why do you think they fight so hard so guns can't be traced?

"Hello sir, I'm here to repo your stupid".

"You're kinda late...she left last night".

It is so sad when not only the media jumps all over an incomplete story but alos the public without sufficient facts to know what happened in the malicious murder of five people, probably a family... This is where the stupidity shows in the media and the public....

How sad we have become as a society.... The increase of the polarization of America is unbelievable....

Ban Nevadas stupid comments first! He's an a'hole, I say!

depraw, I would love to see your source showing the NRA supplying drug cartels.

cimarronrose, I wish I could upvote that twice, haha.

depraw

scremin.........

the NRA already supplies the drug cartels. why do you think they fight so hard so guns can't be traced?

As I recall the media reporting it was the ATF doing the supplying. Then a certain executive order put a lid on tracing or further investigation.

john..........

the NRA did release an app for 4year olds and up to learn how to shoot. I wonder if that is the same app the Iraqi's, Syrians, Iranians, Lebanese, Palestinians and Libyans use to teach their children how to shoot before joining the army at 9 years of age.?

trust.............

over 30,000 weapons each year are confiscated by Mexican authorities. approximately 7,000 can be traced to the U.S. the other 23,000 cannot be traced.

Hey BLS.........I'll be waiting

traced directly to the obama administration in fast and furious ... remember ?

MNJL170 & bonzmun

Who better to speak on the subject of stupidity then a couple teabaggers!

Does anyone not remember under what administration Fast and Furious began? Geez .... get off of it.

Yeah, Executive Orders do put in crimp in traceability depussy.

Depraw -

You are either ignorant of the facts or just disingenuous. The NRA put out a non-violent game for apple iphones. It included gun safety training, but not instructions on how to load/fire guns. The GAME rating system (which set the age at 4+) is set by the apple folks, not by the NRA.

(But you knew that, didn't you?)

OOH, ooh, Karma! I got it!!!

That would be the Barry admin. "Wide Receiver" was a separate and distinct program under George, JR.

Do the research, or "get off of it!" Geez.

depraw, chrisk196,

Too many voters embrace feel-good propaganda that they want to hear instead of learning the basic facts about issues they care about. They should do a better job of calling out dishonest politicians -- and shunning media outlets that stoke political food fights.

http://money.msn.com/investing/11-things-wrong-with-congress

CAUSATIVE TIMELINE:

President Obama's Failed Foreign Policies as seen by the Ayatollahs of Iran as the US negotiating from a position of US Defeat.

RESULTS:

The Ayatollahs of Iran increased their Overt and Covert Activities against the US And US Allies Worldwide.

US And US Allies Loss of Strategic Resources Worldwide, Loss of Strategic Locations Worldwide, Loss of Strategic and Vital US Allies Worldwide.

US kicked out to Iraq, the Allies of the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran placed pressure on the Islamic Shia Nation of Iraq to get the US kicked out of Iraq, with the Iranian Allies, the Chinese and Russian Federation getting the Iraqis Oil that would have paid for the US And US Allies Liberation of Iraq with Decades to Centuries of Iraqis Oil, this loss made the Libyan Oil of Strategic Importance to the US European Allies, President Obama was already outsmarted as the Muslim Brotherhood and the Holy Warriors of Islam as trained armed funded by Iran's Special Forces, Quds, are already at Egypt attacking US Ally Libya.

US and US Allies Military Forces are no longer interdicting or interrupting the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran's Special Forces, Quds, training arming and funding millions of Holy Warriors of Islam at the Fundamentalist Islamic Autonomous Kurdistanis Region of Northern Iraq; as trained to fight the US and Overthrow the Established Governments of US Allies Worldwide.

The Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran places pressure on Pakistan to get all US Military Logistics Support Bases and MQ/RQ (Drone) Bases out of Pakistan. Previously during the British Empire Era, the British knew that the Pakistanis Sea Ports, Logistics Bases, Khyber Pass, etc. at Pakistan were MANDATORY to support any "British Adventures" at LANDLOCKED Afghanistan. So without these US Military Logistics Support Bases at Pakistan the unsupported United Nations, US, NATO Military Forces must abandon US Ally Afghanistan by 2014, to get massacred AGAIN, just like after the US abandoned the 1980s Pro US Ally Afghan Muhajeen to get massacred by the 1990s Fundamentalist Islamic Taliban fully supported by the USSR Backed Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran.

"This Administration Does Not Know What It Is Doing" - General McChrystal, Registered Democrat, Appointed by President Obama as Commander ISAF, the President Obama US Civilians of his "High Level Staff" comment. Of course President Obama demands that General McKiernan, General McChrystal, General Ham, etc. all tender their Letters of Resignation for their stating observed facts.

At the same time all of this is going on the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran is shipping containers of weapons, ammunition, etc. to South America (Hamas Foreign Fighters, Hezbollah, etc. as previously trained by Iran's Special Forces, Quds). These Military (Full Automatic) Weapons are supplied by the Russian Federation and copies of Russian Federation weapons made by the Chinese as the Full Automatic (Selective Fire) Russian Federation and Chinese Military Weapons (AKs).

For the longest time to equip the Mexican Military the Government of Mexico has had the Manufacturing Licenses to make US Military M-16s, M-4s, M-9 (handguns);not US Civilian AR-15s; however the Mexican Drug Cartels do NOT want the unreliable US M-16s, M-4s, as originally by design the .223 caliber was designed as a "varmint" cartridge, and chosen to wound not kill (to take more unwounded to evacuate the wounded from combat, as protested as against the Geneva Convention during the Vietnam War).

This .223 caliber (5.56mm) physical size of the brass cartridge causes semi automatic weapons to jam, as originally the .223 caliber was fired from a bolt action rifle (shoot "varmints" like jack rabbits, ground hogs, etc.).

These AKs from the Russian Federation and Chinese are shipped by the container load to South America (Hama Foreign Fighters and Hezbollah), then smuggled by the Organized Crime of Guatemala (MS-13, MS-14, etc.) to the Mexican Drug Cartels, the Illegal Alien "Drug Mules" carry these AKs (no ammunition, ammunition carried by other Illegal Aliens) along with drugs as payment to the "Coyotes" to the US (Illegal Alien Gangs as the Distributors for the Mexican Drug Cartel's Drugs, and as the Mexican Drug Cartel's Enforcers within the US), these Mexican Drug Cartel related Illegal Alien Gangs (Organized Crime) have moved to the more profitable Northern US States, like La Familia.

These methods are similiar to the Russian Federation Mob, and the Eastern European Organized Crime at the Northern US States (rivals of the Mexican Drug Cartels).

These Military Russian Federation and Chinese weapons, ammunition, etc. are shipped to South American Nations as part of the deal made by the Fundamentalist Islamic Shia Republic of Iran to have these South American Nations build underground facilities and underground IRBM and ICBM missile silos (nuclear attack proof, similar to the previous US ICBM Missile Silos of the Mid West) at the South American Nations.

depraw - the NRA did release an app for 4year olds and up to learn how to shoot. I wonder if that is the same app the Iraqi's, Syrians, Iranians, Lebanese, Palestinians and Libyans use to teach their children how to shoot before joining the army at 9 years of age.?

Proof you and those that voted for your uneducated posts know NOTHING about those Nations.

Here in New Mexico the law is very specific with respect to child and elder abuse. The abuse charges, in this case as in others, are enhancement charges. The children would have been deemed subject to abuse from the violence and mayhem which would have been going on at the time of the shootings. This will not be the best example, but I will try: IF you are pulled over in NM, with children in the vehicle, and the officer has reason to believe you are driving under the influence abuse charges will be laid in addition tot he DUI/DWI.. You may well rest assured if the police, or District Attorney, does not add the abuse charge at the onset -- the Grand Jury will most assuredly lay the abuse charges. The operation of a vehicle with a child on board while under the influence is deemed child abuse in the State of New Mexico. The violence and mayhem under which these children suffered is abuse leading to death under our statutes. These are very serious felony offences.

Maybe a "minor" can't get out of this kind of wording?

These charges are enhancements and you are so very correct the punishment is severe. You would not want to be caught driving a vehicle under the influence with a child in the car at the same time. The penalty for DUI-child in vehicle (abuse) is well beyond that for a simple first time DWI/DUI.

Do you have a felony child-abuse registry in NM? I am wondering if that registration will last longer than the sentence this "child" will receive if convicted.

They want to continue to do the same thing over and over again expecting to get a different result.

They are, gun crime is actually on the way down. Gun violence including gun homicide has dropped by 15% since 2007. Since 1993 the gun crime as a grand total has been cut in half and during that time we have added nearly 100 million guns. So they are getting a different result.

Noliving, try not to confuse him by using facts. Unicorns, Unicorns and more Unicorns are all that matter.

You should take your statics's just a little further. What is the % of those gun deaths ruled justified?' How many gun deaths are the result of police shootings? How many are because of suicide?

Per captia, I'd bet that the countries with mostly Muslim populations are the most insane.

What do u think about that?

That 50% is BS plain and simple.

griphen...........

you are right. that 50% is total BS.

p.s. it's actually 85%.

Medical Errors - A Leading Cause of Death
106,000 to 225,000 per year.....
The JOURNAL of the AMERICAN MEDICAL ASSOCIATION (JAMA) Vol 284, No 4, July 26th 2000 article written by
Dr Barbara Starfield, MD, MPH, of the Johns Hopkins School of Hygiene and Public Health, shows that medical errors may be
the third leading cause of death in the United States.

The report apparently shows there are 2,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery; 7000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals; 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals; 80,000 deaths/year from infections in hospitals; 106,000 deaths/year from non-error, adverse effects of medications - these total up to 225,000 deaths per year in the US from iatrogenic causes which ranks these deaths as the # 3 killer. Iatrogenic is a term used when a patient dies as a direct result of treatments by a physician, whether it is from misdiagnosis of the ailment or from adverse drug reactions used to treat the illness. (drug reactions are the most common cause).
You are 10 times mor likely to die from treatment by a doctor and ten times more likely to die from going to a hospital than being killed by a firearm in the hands of a criminal....
Every free country that has collected guns has seen their crime rates climb.... England and Australia are prime examples....
Protect yourself... for when seconds count... the police are only minutes to hours away..... The police for the most part react after the crime.... Do you feel safe living in a crime ladden area knowing that the police will show up after the crime has been committed????

FBI STATICS for 2011

Weapons
Total 12,664
Total firearms: 8,583
Handguns 6,220
Rifles 323
Shotguns 356
Other guns 97
Firearms, type not stated 1,587
Knives or cutting instruments 1,694
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers, etc.) 496
Personal weapons (hands, fists, feet, etc.) 728
Poison 5
Explosives 12
Fire 75
Narcotics 29
Drowning 15
Strangulation 85
Asphyxiation 89
Other weapons or weapons not stated 872

in 2011 --- 106,000 Americans killed by doctors versus 8,583 killed by firearms in 2011..... which is more dangerous to you??????

And In 2011, 9,878 people died in drunk driving crashes.... In 2010, 211 children were killed in drunk driving crashes.

MADD - Drunk Driving Statistics

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In 2011, 9,878 people died in drunk driving crashes - one every 53 minutes Click to Tweet. National ... In 2010, 211 children were killed in drunk driving crashes.

And In 2011, 9,878 people died in drunk driving crashes.... In 2010, 211 children were killed in drunk drivingcrashes.

Auto fatalities have been dropping rapidly to the point where they are estimated to be less than the number of gun fatalities by 2016. At that point gun violence will be the number one cause of non-medical deaths in the United States. Autos and drunk driving have seen profound decreases in injuries and fatalities as a result of stiff safety legislation and harsh sentences for violators. When will selfish, immature "gun enthusiasts" admit similar legislation is necessary to rein in the bloodbath of firearm-caused deaths that is sweeping our country? By the way, I notice you rather conveniently left out of your highly edited cut-and-paste list the thousands of deaths that occur each year as a result of suicide by guns. I suppose they don't matter to your degenerate ilk, right?

Gun control now. It is the right thing to do.

By the way, I notice you rather conveniently left out of your highly edited cut-and-paste list the thousands of deaths that occur each year as a result of suicide by guns.

I believe the CDC has the total gun deaths per year at around 30,000. That includes accidental, homicide, legal intervention and suicide.

john 528

I'm just as worried by the countries full of Christians. Religious extremism is dangerous regardless of which religion one subscribes to. Holy Righteousness is claimed by all zealots.

@Texican - It seems there is always someone who tries to put forward the same garbage argument you used in any forum about gun ownership. It must be taken directly from the NRA with no thought behind it and it is easily destroyed in debate. The reason - the deaths by gun are intentional. The others are generally not. If you want the statistics to be valid, then post the number of intentional deaths caused by doctors in 2011 compared to the number of times a doctor operated on a patient vs the number of intentional deaths by handguns compared to the number of times a murderer shot a victim. But you wouldn't want to do that because it shows a result you don't like.

Armed Americans also stop 2 million crimes per year. Likely more than cops who can only respond after the fact. You do understand the concept of self defense right? Violent crime goes down drastically everywere concealed carry is implemented. Most of the gun deaths are gang related, gang on gang. You'll never hear that when the 10,000 figure is bandied about though.

Armed Americans also stop 2 million crimes per year.

Citation needed.

I believe the CDC has the total gun deaths per year at around 30,000. That includes accidental, homicide, legal intervention and suicide.

And that number doesn't include injuries from firearms, which push the total number of victims over 50,000 every year. That should be more than enough misery and anguish to justify broad ranging gun control legislation in the US. It is the right thing to do.

personally I find any restrictions on guns bad. Weather you are facing a foriegn or domestic threat I want to be able to overcome my enemies in any given situation. If they have bigger and better weapons than the people are allowed we are already at a disadvantage. What's the difference wheather I have 2 10 round clips or 1 14 round clip. Why should I settle for semi automatic when my adversary has an automatic weapon. I worry more about domestic threats these days priviaste or government than any foreign threat.

Sailcat-2064101

And that number doesn't include injuries from firearms, which push the total number of victims over 50,000 every year

Last I checked unless someone DIES it doesn't count as a death... perhaps you would like to include those injured in DUI or straight up traffic accidents for your compare???????????? If you want to PLAY the numbers game then lets PLAY... While it is SAD, death is a clearly defined criteria for counting.

Conductor -

In that time, violent crime in the US has plummeted even as the increase in guns and gun ownership has increased (the statistics are there, and I won't do your research for you. Start at DOJ.gov)

Most gun owners do NOT advocate for no restrictions on guns for any and all. They do advocate to not have more restrictions on law-abiding citizens.

FBI statistics show that "gangs account for 48% of violent crime in most jurisdictions and up to 90% in several others." [Los Angeles and Chicago historically rank highest] (2011 FBI report of the National Gang Threat Assessment). Have you heard Congress or Barry address this issue? Of course not. But keep on talking about the scary looking assault weapons. . . (and I don't own any of those scary looking rifles).

Listen carefully, trustverify: the number of gun deaths in the US will exceed auto fatalities by 2016 and firearms will then be responsible for more deaths than any other non-medical cause. The wounded add that much more grief and pain the victims and their families must endure. Please brush up on your reading comprehension skills and it is obvious you need to give your cognitive abilities a thorough tuneup as well.

Half of those deaths cited are suicide... O.o If you seriously wanna count injured or any other numbers to add to your number don't forget to add those to the car accident comparison or medical malpractice comparison.

Suicide accounts for over 38k deaths a year, so no guns will not lead in non medical related deaths. In fact half of the gun deaths are by suicide so the decision is yours to count self inflicted harm.

In fact other "accidents" as the cdc categorizes them far exceed gun deaths, leading with a whopping 120k deaths a year...

Sailcat-Do you have a crystal ball? Trends are meaningless in this argument, particularly since the gubmint can't figure out why violent crime has been on the decline for the last 20 years. But trends can and do reverse so DUI's may still be above shootings as a cause of death. Still #1 by a long shot will still be medical practitioners which kill over 500 people a day in the US and aren't there waaaay more guns than doctors? Current FBI stats give women who are facing rapists an 1100% better chance of foiling a rape if they are armed and 2+ million crimes are foiled by private gun owners every year, why doesn't that make the headlines?? I strongly disagree that taking away peoples' liberty and their freedom to protect themselves is ever "the right thing to do"!

The reason they do not add suicides to the number of gun deaths normally in a statistic is because they're looking at homicide, not desired suicide. Taking away guns from a suicidal person doesn't solve suicide anymore then talking to a suicide bomber stops the bomb from going off. It's a whole different ball game hence it's not considered.

Sailcat-2064101

Sure attack the person not the facts... typical 2nd grade behavior.

the number of gun deaths in the US will exceed auto fatalities by 2016..

Based on what projection? Brady bunch is no more valid than the NRA so pick a neutral reporter. Of course you will want to EXCLUDE those deaths caused by DUI to make your numbers work for you.

The wounded add that much more grief and pain the victims and their families must endure.

Wounded implies intentional... which would by definition exclude accidental injuries... Again picking the words to define the numbers skews the data.

Just some reality for you... Humans are a violent species. There will ALWAYS be those who CHOOSE to inflict harm or death on others. They WILL find ways to do so.

As to "new" laws/controls.. Take a real look at the 23 executive orders (if you don't like my link find one of your own) that the POTUS issued. There is nothing NEW. They all come down to either enforcing EXISTING laws, applying a background check to all sales or "study" further... (aren't we all glad they are STILL studying the mating cycle of fruit flies?).

This may sound cold or uncaring but the USA has far larger issues than guns. The economy for starters... solve that one and a lot of the others will solve themselves or at least provide money to address them. How about instead of congress jockeying for politics on these "hot topics" they do the job they were elected to do like creating a budget for the first time in over six years... none of this kicking the can down the road like a hot potato for the next congress to take the blame. Lead by example.. take responsibility even if they aren't the ones who created the mess.

These recent events would not have happened is the firearms were secured from these kids.

remove your heads from the sand and give it some real thought, not snap at the guns????

So you think these five would still have all died if firearms were not readily handy for this teen to access?

they didnt kill anyone without some moron loading and pulling the trigger did they???????????????????????????

These weapons should have never been in a 15 year olds hands to begin with. So the real moron, is the one that left weapons unsecured for this teen to obtain. If they were not among the dead, their Second Amendment rights need to be revoked forever, and be charged with negligent homicide.

Adam Lanza and other determined killers would have killed with something else, if the firearms weren't there. Adam Lanza was no better then a terrorist, and without guns, I wouldn't put a homeade explosive beyond him. There really is little difference between an Adam Lanza, and one of the crazy jahadi's in the Middle East who would walk into a hospital with a bomb and blow the place up....

We shouldn't even entertain the idea that someone like Adam Lanza would be better then the suicide bombers working for Al Quida, or wouldn't resort to the same tactics in the absense of guns; simply because he wasn't an Arab or what have you. Lunacy knows no bounds of ethnicity...

The place where removing a firearm might have an effect is in heat of the moment, act of rage type killings, which show no premeditation. In the time it might take to find another means, the person might cool off, and be more rationale. In the case of a determined killer, who has drawn up plans on how they'd do it in the first place, they'd see a lack of firearm as a mere obstacle to be overcome. Sorry, but this is exactly what we see with terrorists. We make it harder to get explosives on the plane, and they devise other means (like the underwear bomber) to try to come after us from a different angle... That's the way a determined psychopath would think....

Folks make a whole lot of assumptions about the guns used. I have tried to find anything published about the storage of the weapons used in Newtown - nada, zilch, bupkis. Nothing has been reported about the ownership of the weapons used in this instance, or even the weapons used, much less how they were stored. We don't know if this is a family issue, home invasion, scorned boyfriend, even murder for hire . . .

And if they wer not so plentifull and readily available then these shooting would be far less plentifull right?

Or they are mentally unstable. Or they were beat every day. Or they were told how worthless they were every day.

Do you always go right to the drug and booze excuse?

Or someone went all Sam Sandusky on them over how many ever years... He lost his marbles, or never had them, whatever the case might have been....

The media uses the words assault rifle by the looks of the weapon. there are bb guns that look like a military weapon and they have called them assault rifles while they look at the military M4, which IS an assault rifle and don't call it an assault rifle. And once again, a story with no detail from msn and the morons go off and make assumptions!

JM- so what does this situation have to do with my responsibility with owning a firearm? One would think that someone using a Native name would use their brain before they talked.

Nice vocabulary,you sound very educated

@James - We are all getting tired of hearing about these tragedies. However, many of us realize that the issue is not with the gun, but with the person holding it. Cars kill thousands each and every year. So do knives, tobacco, alcohol, and many other man-made items. Arsonists set fires with matches and lighters and kill people every year. There is a clear pattern here that you are overlooking...while the item may help inflict the damage, it isn't the item that kills. It's the holder of the item. Taking away guns from the American people will not stop the crazy people that seek to do harm to others. I have owned guns most of my life and have never hurt anyone with them. While I don't do it now as I have grown up and matured, I remember days in college when we would go out and get drunk and drive home. Thankfully I never hurt anyone in the process, but the likelihood of me hurting someone in my life was more likely to have come from that stupidity on my part than from owning a gun. Do you put cars or alcohol ahead of children? Should we ban those items as well? I'm sorry if I offend you, but you won't fix "crazy" by disarming the general population.

Well said Hitler (Heil hitler)

So because the world has some deranged individuals in it, take guns away from everyone? Punish the innocent, because of the crimes of some guilty individuals? That is far from reasonable. And the determined killer WILL find some other means.

This sort of response would be equivallent to banning all matches inside Israel, because some within the West Bank lob molotov cocktails. But now no one should be allowed to have access to fire. And when the crooks get the guns anyhow, and people don't have access for self defence, oh well... Sometimes, just sometimes reactionary type responses don't really deal with actual issues. Like why we have so many going crazy, and what's going on with the mental health wrt this country.

But yep, lets ignore causes, look for the ready made "solution" we can nuke in our microwaves in 2 minutes flat, and continue taking pain relievers (as some even get addicted to them) everytime we feel ill; so we won't feel the symptoms of the disease any longer. And as to the actual organism that's making us sick, well we all know that big pharma manufacturers could make more money selling a lot of palliatives, then providing one cure, and meanwhile the obvious "maybe the pain is trying to tell us something is wrong, and our bodies aren't actually doing all that well" sorta falls to the back of our minds...

Let's take away your right to speak unless you can prove you should be able to.

and yet, the victims got riddled with bullets by a car, or a spoon or one of the other "tools" that the NRA apologists like to compare guns to, right?

No real facts in the story yet, because it is early in the investigation (which will probably never get released) but we all know that the victims were riddled with bullets?? How is that possible that this information was released but nothing else and who said the AR was found nearby??? This type of story is the worst form of journalism as it is simply a "someone said" story. Any story about children being killed is tragic, but why is the reporting so poor?

ban john doe. wow. that was simple.

well, john doe, let me explain to you the difference between "pens,pencils, forks, paper and everything that causes injurys.dumbass.hardwoodfloors too.cars, water and the air breath"

NONE of the above were invented for the sole purpose of ending life. Guns, on the other hand, were developed for express purpose of quickly and efficiently killing a living thing. if you don't know the difference, then you are precisely the kind of person who should not be in possession of a gun. I own 2 guns and have been shopping around for a third (a muzzle loader) but at least I'm rational and intellectually honest enough not to compare a device that was invented for killing to air and water FFS

Sometimes you need a simple solution for simple minds. If we all put a bottle opener on our firearms we might never again have to hear "the only purpose is for killing."

Depra and bulldozer: Google: "olympic target rifles" or "high precision target rifles." You can spend huge bucks on firearms that are designed, manufactured and tuned for no purpose other than putting a projectile through a piece of paper, or disintegrating a disc of clay.

and you know for a fact that the people were not killed with their own gun? wow! you must have extra-special powers because there was nothing in the story that would indicate whether or not the people who were murdered were liberal or whether or not they were armed. statistically speaking, there is every chance that the gun used in the killings was owned by the people who were on the wrong end of it

Those ar some of the things that I thought Biden should have been researching during his "gun control investigation." That little witch hunt with the NRA, Video Game makers, Wal-Mart, and the likes was all for show.

The verdict was already in as to what Obama was going to suggest be done. Look at New York, in a rush to put a law out they have included the police in their gun safety measures. Haste can be a bad thing.

Look at New York, in a rush to put a law out they have included the police in their gun safety measures.

Too bad it wasn't intentional.

I think just this past year, NYC cops shot over a dozen people trying to hit one person that only fired one shot at his intended target.

The criminal needed just one shot and the police fire 16, and hit a dozen innocent bystanders.

I say keep the law for NYC cops as well. Less innocent people will be shot that way.

"loose in our society with minimal ctrols" really and you base this on what? minimal controls? isn't the people supposed to control the government not the government control the people?

by the people for the people...

How many of these mass murders are committed by members of the NRA smart one? There ARE controls in place but for some reason, the criminal minded people just don't really care to follow them. So morons like you are grouping together to ban our weapons so criminals can break into our homes and lives with no fear of being hurt. If they were confined to the law abiding NRA members, fewer innocent folk would die and more criminals would be buried....thank you for your time moron

@Mike - I typically try to prove my point by not showing emotion. But in this case, I am going to go against that philosophy. You are one sick individual. Many NRA members are good people that do nothing wrong, yet you wish them to be slaughtered to satisfy your liberal agenda. You make a great point about the need for some gun control though. Sadistic crazies like you should never be allowed to own an gun. And to the 3 people that up-voted his post are just as sick. For the good of our nation, seek professional help. You clearly need it!

i ask you all to "step away" for a moment ,from our news medias' programming de jour, and think with your own mind !!!

Why are conservatives usually blamed when there is a mass murder, but it's almost always progressive liberals that steal guns then go and kill movie goers and children in school --

For example:

Ft Hood- Registered Democrat- Muslim

Columbine- Too young to vote- both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals

VaTech- Wrote hate mail to Pres Bush and to his staff. Registered Democrat

Colorado Theater- Registered Democrat, staff worker on the Obama campaign, Occupy Wall Street participant, progressive liberal

Conn School Shooter- Registered Democrat, hated Christians.

...Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal democrats.

Interesting. . . isn't it?

ps: AND none of the above examples, f.y.i. , were/are NRA members?

Darrell,

Excellent post.

Darrell:

interesting that you got your info pretty much word-for-word from Roger Hedgecock's radio show, because he such a reliable source for unbiased info, right?

other than Roger Hedgecock, what sources can you cite as to the political affiliation of Nidal Hasan, the Ft Hood shooter?

as for the Columbine shooters, Eric Harris' parents are a retired Air Force pilot and a homemaker. Dylan Kliebold's parents were church-going Lutherans---sounds more like typical conservatives than progressive liberal democrats. again, cite a source other than a RW radio talking head for your assertions. btw, Eric Harris turned 18 years old a few weeks before the shootings, which, at the the time, was the legal age for purchasing firearms in Colorado. both shooters were fascinated with guns and gun violence, a behavior not typically found in your garden-variety liberal democrat

Seung-Hui Cho, the VA Tech shooter, came from a family that turned to the church for help with his behavior---again, not the type of thing typically attributed to "liberals". yet again, what source do you have, other than a RW radio pundit, as to the shooter's political affiliation?

James Holmes? again, link please

Adam Lanza? raised by a gun-loving survivalist, something more common among NRA members than liberal democrats. where's the link as to his political affiliation?

you try to draw some bullshyt parallel between mass shooters and liberals when in fact, the only thing the shooters really had in common was that they were males with mental health issues and easy access to guns

Darrell -

Keep posting that, but don't ever expect an answer. I'm still trying to get a grabber to explain the "startling correlation between private gun ownership and documented reduction in violent crime. The best you will get is deflection as above - Link? Source? Citation?

Crickets . . .

No one, including the members of the NRA think these incidents are anything other than what they are...incredibly horrible criminal acts. To paint the organization and it's members as ones who ignore these incidents and don't regard them as serious is idiotic. The NRA has done more than anyone to supply training in the responsible use of firearms for sporting uses as well as defensive use.

But in some cases these firearms will be used in a manner that disgusts everyone. No more than driving under the influence that can in many case result in death or injury. Yet I see no effort to restrict the use of the automobile. I see it made faster or cheaper. I see the courts making driving under the influence easier to escape with their recent rulings . Yet isolated incidents of misuse of a firearm is now considered the "norm".

What research please share the source with us.

Not as dangerous as you idiot

I don't know about stats but after 62 years feel that an intruder would be 99.99% more likely to be shot than one of my family members. Of course 42.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot!

So post a link to the study? If not it's likely bull@!$%#.

i know ! Like in Israel, all people have to do 2 years of military service, essential to the country (survival).. so.. here in America with all this violence...

we should have to do mandatory 2 years service .... as a HIPPIE... live in San Francisco... Peace Love and good will towards men...

What a violent society America has become. I read less are attending a Sunday service in religion of their choice...

We are 'losing' the battle for our 'souls'... we are so 'into' ourselves when making our 'souls' and spirit the center of attention...

you know.. you all talk about ...searching for your 'soul' mate... are searching deep inside your soul.... try practicing that HOURLY ! Do not the Muslims turn and face 'Mecca' three times a DAY ?

Last time I looked on every piece of currency in the USA... is ... IN GOD WE TRUST... not a very trusting country

This is a typical response from the hoplaphobes - "Source please." It is called deflection and was documented as a routine proganda method as early as 1937 in the report by Edward Filene.

Look it up lazy grabbers.

Beat them with their own tactics?

Here's a study, Mike:

More Guns, Less Crime

"www.press.uchicago.edu/Misc/Chicago/493636.html"

Where can I buy a Sherman tank?

Mumbulu

Where can I buy a Sherman tank?

here you go

http://www.armyjeeps.net/Grizzly0830/1943%20Sherman%20Grizzly.htm

You are so naïve. You couldn't withstand a 2 man fire team for more than a few minutes... Besides, when have you "EVER" heard that anyone wants to take away all guns? Please cite your source...

Not naive,just well trained,as are many of my brothers

Ron Wood-2498930

"EVER" heard that anyone wants to take away all guns? Please cite your source...

Cuomo, Bloomberg, Pelosi have all stated their desires to take ALL guns from civilians. Need more?

No, they don't ban vehicles, but they do register them, insure them, and you have to be licensed to drive them. You have to pass an eye test, a written test about the laws, and a road test. When you sell a vehicle, the registration and insurance is changed, as well. What's so threatening about having the same regulations towards guns?

I don't want my 2nd Amendment rights messed with, but I also do not want these mentally unstable people to have these guns.

Nothing will stop these people from killing, if that is their intent. But making it more difficult to obtain a gun may have them going for a knife instead, and people have a better chance of outrunning a guy with a knife than they do a guy with a semi-auto. If just one life can be saved by tightening gun regulations, then it needs to be done.

By the way, I wonder who the responsible, legal gun owner is who let his guns fall into the hands of 15 year old child psychotic.

Tell that to the illegal aliens Julie. I think not. But these liberal fuggin whacks feel these illegals are being "harassed" if they are expected to. Not only do these liberal anti-progressive morons want all guns banned, dumb @!$%#s like Cuomo even stated he wanted to retroactively go after guns. If these liberal idiots want civil chaos, keep pushing your anti-freedom agendas. I have already read multiple Police and Sheriff agencies saying they won't inforce this bull@!$%#. Good luck.

@Ron- Why yes i have NY Gov Cuomo, VP Biden, Sen Fienstein, and a few more all within the last 15 days. Haen't you been reading the news?

oh and last but not least,

President Obama- non of his exceutive action have any wording that state current owners of these weapons can keep them. In fact they state Prohibition. You do know what that means right?

oh and H.R. 226: Support Assault Firearms Elimination and Reduction for our Streets Act introduce by Ct Rep Delauro is a $2000 tax credit for owners who "Sell" their weapons back to the governement.

Whos naive?

Julie

"No, they don't ban vehicles, but they do register them, insure them, and you have to be licensed to drive them. You have to pass an eye test, a written test about the laws, and a road test."

Yes all those things are required, but you still have stolen cars, driving with no/suspended license, reckless driving, drunk driving etc.... All those rules don't mean anything to someone who drives illegally.

You are correct, there are still drunk drivers, and when they are caught, they forfeit their vehicles and end up in jail, at least for a short time. They have lowered the legal alcohol levels, and in some cases, people who are repeat offenders lose their licenses for years.

What's so scary to you people about tightening the regulations? I don't want to lose my right to own a gun, so if we have to go after the idiots who leave their guns laying around to fall into the hands of psychotics, then they are not being responsible gun owners, and should lose the right, or have it suspended for a period of time, just like bad drivers.

Nothing will stop these psycho's from killing, but to not do anything to try and slow these people down is not an answer. And to only tighten the gun regulations, without addressing the mental health issue, is not the answer.

Julie, in central California up around Paso Robles, Frisco...do you know that an illegal alien if stopped has 2 hours to call someone that is here legally, actually has a driver's License, insurance and a registration on "their" car, and is allowed to drive them away untouched. Do you realize that in Maywood California the police were not allowed to even ask for a driver's license or registration. So, you want to tighten regulations on the law abiding citizens of this country but allow these law breaking illegals free access to do as they please, one of them walk across our borders and pay them for the privilege of doing it. I don't think so.

pwe1962:

Do you live your daily life thinking about "the moment your government will come to your door"? Wow, it must be a very "stressful" existence. I'm so sorry because the "pursuit of happiness" is actually not happening to you.

On the contrary, SMUM.

Living their lives in the fear that "they" are plotting against them at this very minute is in fact, to them, the "pursuit of happiness".

Their self satisfaction and happiness comes from the inner knowlege that they're a total rambo badass completely prepared to defend themselves when "they" come to get them.

Ron Wood-2498930 mrs.frankinsteine from cali. And our military has 1,000,000 members. 70% will not violate the oath they took. U.S. 309,000,000 americans.(men, women, children,) 85,000,000 gun owners. so at leaste 1 in 4 americans own a gun. (higher if you subtract children from 309M) 280 Million guns in america. So yes the day we are invaded or the day when tyranny goes door to door taking guns will be a very, very bloody day indeed. And thats is just a fact.