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LOS ANGELES -- A brawl at a punk rock concert spilled out into the parking lot and ended with one man fatally shot and another man stabbed, according to the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department.
The incidents happened about 12:15 a.m. Sunday (3:15 a.m ET) at Alpine Village Center in Torrance, Calif., Deputy Irys Alvarez said.
"These two incidents of violence are likely separate crimes occurring at the same venue. Each incident is believed to involve a separate suspect," according to an LASD update released Sunday.
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According to deputies, Oxnard-based punk band Agression was headlining the event.
Alpine Village Center offers dining, concerts, swap meets and other entertainment.
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Terrible incidents, let's try not to hijack this with gun control rhetoric.
Why did this make national news? This type of occurrence usually only makes local news.
There are still punk rock bands?
Heck yeah are there are still punk bands. Punk has branched into a lot of sub-genres like hardcore, etc. I'm a punk rock fan, but I've never even heard of these guys...so it is definately a local story, except for the fact it has a gun death and rock music in it. Anything with those things are national stories right now because the media thrives on sensationalism. If someone gets beat to death in the parking lot at a unheard of pop music show no one hears about it.
They are a white supremacist band so if the victim was a fan then no real loss to society
Sorry, they are not. Check some info on wiki, they were hijacked by supremacists who found some of the music from a japanese founding member and an african american drummer for a time, the skin heads showed up thinking this may be a sound like Screwdriver which is a racist POS band that has no problems with Hitler. I've listened to them (Aggression, NOT Screwdriver) before in my younger days, almost a surf sound mixed with punk and pretty cool.
I would dare say more people have been stabbed to death at Van Halen shows than this band could muster in body counts.
Another point, the hardcore scene has bands that skinheads show up at and the reception to them is not so nice. Some examples---Napalm Death (grindcore GODS) and my personal favorite Brutaltruth who's political leanings are pretty far left. Nice huys in both bands, a pleasure to meet. Same with Cannibal Corpse, nicest most polite front man I ever met.
Judge the person, not the music.
Everybody wants to be the tough guy these days.
brutaltruth; music, not be judged? You make me laugh. Music, just like all other art forms - is a direct reflection of who you are. People have been judging others on what author they read, for centuries - the same is true for music - music is intellect. Real lovers of music eventually seek out the roots of music - the Blues and Jazz. If you are still listening to Cannibal Corpse - you are in love with an image - not the music. You named all of Bob Larsen's favorite bands...lmao!
I see Punkers are still tight-wads - playin' the Alpine Village with no security...brings back memories (thankfully I out grew).
If these incidents occurred at a hip hop or rap concert, many people would most certainly blame 1) all rap/hip hop music; 2) all rap/hip hop fans, and yes, 3) even all black people.
Why should people have to tailor their "judging" differently in this case?
No people don't have to do that any more, the NRA does.
Apparently "Aggression" delivers as promised...
Personally I prefer "Pussy Riot"
It's not real real punk unless someone is stabbed or killed or shot or stomped.
I was thinking the same thing. Isn’t one shot, one stabbed, one killed kind of a slow night for punk?
Why did this make national news? It is simply the liberal media using every possible excuse to get through with there anti gun agenda. MSNBC is one of the worst. If they get word of someone accidentally shooting their big toe in public, they are going to make a national deal out of it just trying to demonize any and all guns. I have not once seen on MSNBC where someone saved the day with a gun. Even though there are a lot of cases out there of that happening, MSNBC WON"T report them as that would go against their agenda.
WAIT! One stabbed!? Are you SURE they both weren't shot 30 times each with an "assault" rifle. Get your story right MSN or you won't promote your gun control position fully!!!
J_P I would disagree that the blues and jazz are the roots of music (you could certainly make the argument that it is the root of modern/popular music, but not music in general). Those forms didn't appear out of nowhere-they evolved from previous musical styles. Music (in one form or another) has been around for as long as people have been around. Even before 1000 AD there was some form of music notation, and so some music from that period survives to this day.
The enjoyment of music is highly subjective, and people look for different things in music (whether is sounds "pleasant", perhaps it's complexity, or the difficulty associated with playing it, the emotions it evokes, etc), which is probably why fans or musicians of various genres have stereotypes attached to them.
Ok people i would have to guess that at a punk rock concert that drugs and alcohol were flowing freely. All the peole their should have been checked by thr CDC
This is nothing more than anti-gun agenda, we all know Conservatives don't care about life after birth.
Time to publish the entire list...
Of non-gun-owners...
Since you feel SOOOO safe why not prove it?
There are punkers out there that are not white supremacists or racists. They refer to themselves as SHARPS, skin heads against racial predudice.
Bill36 - why on earth would you assume that? That might have been the case in the early days of punk, but punk rockers are not a monolithic group. The percentage of punk rock fans who don't drink or use drugs is probably equal to that of the general population.
the dish - the vast majority of punk rockers are not skinheads of any kind, racist or SHARP
This is a sad outcome to a night of entertainment. As a fan of punk rock, this is not the norm...trust me.
But before we go about making this gun, knife, or music issue, let's all just remember how DOWN the violent crime rates and murder rates are over the last 20 years, please.
And also remember, this was tame compared to a GG Allin show back in the day.
FUCK YEAH GG ALLIN! Now THAT was some real punk rock!
Got bricks?
He was like a drunken dancing piano playing clown at Ozzfest. Comical, but also a good showman....sans bricks to the head. Not too bright though.
You hate me and I hate you!
@brutaltruth, GG never played Ozzfest, he died 3 years before Ozzfest was ever created
I don't mean to sound insensitive, but why is this national news? It sucks if you were the person shot or stabbed or a family member, but if I'm halfway across the nation, why do I need to know about this?
I was thinking the exact same thing. I suspect that someone is frustrated that the recent gun control efforts aren't going well. So they are trying to blow up every gun incident they hear about to national proportions in an attempt to influence the public consciousness.
Sound about right to you?
Sounds about right to me! Would not have been national, if it were not for the gun legislation going on now. News corps and their agendas!
Why do you read about it then? Don't see anyone twisting your arm.
Media 101, if it bleeds it leads.
It is simply the liberal media using every possible excuse to get through with there anti gun agenda. MSNBC is one of the worst. If they get word of someone accidentally shooting their big toe in public, they are going to make a national deal out of it just trying to demonize any and all guns. I have not once seen on MSNBC where someone saved the day with a gun. Even though there are a lot of cases out there of that happening, MSNBC WON"T report them as that would go against their agenda.
Our Planet - While I agree with your statement, "If it bleeds it leads", I must amend it to include that the caveat that story must also fit the editorial slant of the outlet. Had this JUST been a stabbing, you would have never heard about it on MS-DNC.
The 2,000,000 incidents per year wherein a gun is used to stop a crime and/or save a life are never reported...
Guess why?!
Guns are used to save far mire lives than they are used to take.
If you don't like the slant of the news site, why do you spend time reading it?
Because the media is pushing its agenda for violence. Wait and see, soon there will be more reports of shootings at concerts since the media is going to put it all out there for copycats. The media needs to be held accountable at some point.
potofgold - The political slant of MS-DNC is right there with most of the other outlets. You need to get the news from somewhere, and it's good to see both sides. Rather than listen to how others view what one side says, then just mindlessly repeating their opinion of what that person may have said, it's good to read both side and use your brain to decide which may be right, to your way of thinking.
Get the guns off the street. That is the news.
Anything involving guns is "news" right now...it's just sensationalism. If a rifle kills someone it's a news story, meanwhile hammers and clubs kill more people every year in the USA, and yet you barely hear anything about it. This is probably not a rifle death, but Sensationalism 101 says "never ignore a violent death, especially a gun death, at a rock show".
takenaka
You don't have much do say do you? You certainly don't comment based on context. This happened in SoCal.... where it is the wild west and everyone straps a pair of 6 shooters on before walking out the door (sarcasm) Ban takenaka.
takenaka, is jealous cause she can't have a gun.
I agree with Tanka Chick, get the guns off the street!!! It sure would make my job easier!!! Hey Tanka maybe I'll catch you unarmed somewhere... :-)
"GOD made man, colt made man equal"
The gun did it's job, but the knife victim survived. I just don't get it, gun owners would have you believe those other weapons are just as effective.
It worked for O.J.
Ah yes, anecdotal evidence makes that argument every time.
Notfiveo
It seems the Chinese are better versed in the use of the blade... perhaps because guns are banned in China? When people CHOOSE to kill they will do so with the tools available.. be it their bare hands, a knife, a gun, or a bomb.. they will manage to make an attempt.
Ted Bundy killed over 100 people without the use of a firearm. Not one died by gun.
China has a billion more people than we do yet our murder rate is 10x higher. Go figure. One has to wonder why it isn't higher considering all the knives, rocks, sticks and marshmallows at their disposal.
Notfiveo
reported rate at least.they also have a more straight forward punishment system... do the crime pay the price. They don't exactly coddle their prisoners with gyms, TV, and other amenities.
You would choose to eliminate one of our basic Rights completely. If you feel it is so great to live in China ..........
We have the highest incarceration rate of any country, that flushes your lack of punishment theory down your proverbial toilet.
Notfiveo
incarceration does not = punishment. How many other places in the world can you go that you get 3 hots and a cot, free TV, a gym and laundry services as PUNISHMENT? How about you drop all the BS incarcerations over drug use (not possession with intent) then compare the numbers. IF I were a criminal I would gladly serve 10 years here to ONE year in China. Since 1/3 of ALL homicides involve drugs or gangs, if not both, reducing THOSE problems WILL reduce homicides. That takes us to about 6000 a year and solves a lot of OTHER issues.
Notfiveo - Would you prefer the Chinese system of "justice"? If you wish to file an appeal in China, your choice is either left ear or right ear for the "punishment". Their "incarceration rate" is lower as they do not incarcerate, they exterminate. Our prisons are not punishment, merely "higher education" to make better and more violent criminals.
Aren't Punk Rockers about 50 years old? By that age even the Rolling Stones fans had stopped stabbing and shooting each other. Run down and get more makeup and pour some more epoxy in your hair. Don't forget to get ammo.
No...there are many punk bands that are in their 20s. Just like any other genre of music, it doesn't just go away after the generation that invented it gets older. That's like saying all rock bands are like 80 years old becasue rock started a long time ago. It's like saying all classical musicians are dead because it began centuries ago.
And the Stones were suburban kids...the Beatles were from inner-city Liverpool.
S A R C A S M....Look it up.
BUT, the NRA says he was just defending himself. Nothing to see here. Just move along.
Another Obama Drone. Like some kinda creepy igor in Obama's dungeon plotting on what right or freedom is eroded next. Yesssss master...he..he..he..blame the NRA.
Check out Brittain's problems with violence and see for yourself how disarming the masses has worked. Maybe check into Chicago where that creepy ballerina Rahm is mayor and the nightly deaths there.
By the way, not all punk is bad. DRI for example has some good social commentary to it and from my experience the listeners are a bit more in touch than say Misfit's listeners or Samhain. Some punk is just plain fun as well....NOFX is a great example. S and M Airlines. Ahhhh....the good ol' days. Time to crank up the Napalm Death and Apocrypha.....Suicidal Tendencies anyone?
Was this a right to shoot people state? Did he feel threatened?
Punk rockers should be given all that they need to thin their ranks.
Last time I checked the U.S had 10 gun deaths per 100,000, the U.K .25 per 100,000.
Move to the U.K. then.
I expected a stupid comeback and you didn't disappoint me.
I hate punk rock. My older brother was in a punk rock band and he destroyed the self esteem of everyone he came in contact with incessant negative criticizing of enveryone around him. Plus I never met a punk rocker that was not a hypocrite. For instance every punk rock band had a song against labeling people. But every song they played they would label other people. Punk rock is nothing but a bad joke.
Yea, teen angst that never grows up!
I like punk rock, I am an adult, I am not a hypocrite. Nice to meet you Dave. If you brother's social life collapsed because of a music genre, well there probably was not much there to fall. But we are all entitled to our own opinions...
I like punk girls!
Cory, punk rock is more than a music genre, it is a sub culture. I did not call you a hypocrite just all of the punk rockers I have ever met.
Were any military assault type knives used?
Coulda been a hunting knife but the gun control folks are okay with hunting rifles at the present. It's not time to vilify everything hunting yet.
Give it some time. That will be their next target. "Oooooooh, they shot Bambi!!! Ban hunting! Ban meat eating!"
Punk rockers waste their money on drugs,LOL
Our Planet
Punk rockers waste their money on drugs,LOL.
Really? Better than the Commander and Chief wasting money on people who listen to Drake.
If semi-auto weapons are banned, how are the dopers going to protect their grows.
With semi automatic weapons.
Cowards with weapons... If you need a knife or a gun, you are no tough guy.
I don't consider myself a tough guy, but I am of relatively small stature, in my sixties, and fighting cancer. Using my fists to defend myself is not practical, but I can use a knife pretty well. If I had a gun, I would not be hesitant to use it to defend myself within my own premises.
And may I add I have perfect teeth and I am much too good looking to risk a fist fight.
Our military is made up of cowards?
Punk/metal event had problems at the site, too bad more of the herd wasn't thinned!
Punk: Audience kills one another.
Metal: Audience kills themselves.
Rap/hip-hop: Performers killed by 'persons unknown', martryed and become posthumous geniuses/ superstars.
Country/western: Audience kills furry critters.
Opera: Performers act out killing one another, but it's all part of the story.
Blues, jazz, classical: More or less civilized.
(I'm a diehard headbanger, if anybody was wondering.)
in the 80's it was very rare when somebody actually got hurt at a metal show or punk rock show. It looked very violent but in reality it wasn't. Then in the mid-90's people did start throwing things, like batteries, at the performers. Something happened to the fan base. Similar to what people are saying about gun control now. The gun is the weapon of choice, but everybody ignores the choice itself. There have been repeating rifles since the 1800's, why did the school shooting just start happening in the 90's? It's the kids of today not the weapons that are the problem.
hey fox, check out PRO-PAIN. a hard metal band thats been around 20 years.you might like em.peace
Ahh ..The good old days!
(Sittingonafence) Agression isn't exactly a white supremacist band you retard. They may have a few skins following..
Oh let's ban guns.That'll stop illegal use illegally by persons likely unlawfully wielding them!
Fights happen all the time at punk concerts. It's almost a rite of passage. So more people with guns will mean more people dead. One fight with a knife and one with a gun at this concert. Guess which one ended with a death? There's your gun control rhetoric.
Punk rock breeds punks. That's all that needs to be said.
You dont get to decide "all that needs to be said". Dope.
But LA has laws forbidding this. More laws needed. LOL
Thats why you bring a gun to a knife fight - you win - hahahahah
What happened to just beating the snot out of people and go home with a bloody nose or black eye. Do people not realize how pemanent death is and that what they are fighting over isn't worth that? Apparently not. People, teach your kids better. Teach them to deal with things by not killing each other. Just plain teach them to deal with real life. Just because someone disagrees with you doesn't make either of you wrong.
When everyone is dead you just press the reset button. That is how life is, geesh.
Well, we all know what America needs: more military assault rifles so that 50 people could have gotten killed, the NRA is very disappointed with the firepower that these punks had, it's a disgrace to the Second Amendment. A gun that could only kill one person? How will America ever survive the socialism of Obama? And the stabbing victim actually got HEALTH CARE!!! What is our country becoming? Russia!
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And I guess when Obama forces through his anti-gun agenda, written in 2011 if the Washington Post is to be believed, then every criminal in the US will now sit up and say: "That law, written by the Anointed One, is the one I am now going to follow, since he gave me a free phone, free health care, free housing and hope for change".
More laws surely ended DUI deaths, didn't they? More laws ended the illegal drug trade, right? More laws surely ended kiddie porn, right? Taxing law abiding citizens who buy guns and ammo sure worked out well in Cook County, right?
Laws only keep honest people honest. They do NOTHING to stop crime, just make more things illegal and retard out rights. If you really wish to stop this, figure out why people kill.
Let's just get rid of all laws since they don't seem to do anything, right?
As a matter of reference, when the 2nd amendment was written it was wise to bear arms since there was little law at that time. Times change, but wacko reasoning doesn't.
"gotten"? Really dude?
Read the story again "average guy" he didnt use an assult rifle, so the gun ban you are trying to push WOULDNT HAVE CHANGED the outcome of this crime. Now if your suggesting we ban all rifles and pistols, which a lot of you fools are saying "noone is trying to ban ALL guns" Then this "noone" they speak of must be referring to you and your ilk.
It's funny that all you people are so butthurt by the NRA, they really ruined your lives it seems. Good for them.
notfiveo - You can make all the laws you wish and some one will break them all. There is NO good reason to own a rocket launcher or machine gun, and both are outlawed. Yet fools can still get them if they try.
Look at the shooting in NY where 2 firemen were killed. The person who did the killing was a convicted felon, making it illegal for him to own a fire arm. He used "dum-dum" rounds, also illegal. So right there he violated 2 existing laws in a state which has extremely repressive gun laws already. Yet you wish to make new laws? What makes you think he would follow these?
And the laws being pushed through are not being thought out. NY just enacted laws that make it illegal to carry weapons on school ground and have outlawed magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Sound good on the surface, but they did NOT exempt Police from these draconian laws. Meaning, in simple terms, the Police must get all new guns, since they are carrying weapons which have magazine capacities greater than 10 (and manufactures like Glock do not MAKE a hand gun that has a capacity less than 13). Also, all of their "long guns" used by their SWAT teams are now going to have to used diminished capacity mags, not good in a shoot out. And if they enter a school building to sop a school shooting and they are armed, they are breaking the law. Sound stupid to you? Get it now?
I repressive gun laws and taxing gun owners was an effective solution, explain Chicago and Cook County IL. If lax gun laws cause more murders, explain the lowering of the murder rate in DC following the Supreme Court overturning their gun ban. (from almost 400/year in the 90's to less than 90 in 2012)
it's not music...it's crap
It's always a great idea to get placed in a small room full of a bunch of angry and or frustrated people, moshing each other, while listening to music that helps to express their frustration and anger, as well as possibly incite more. I've been to a few of these types of shows when I was a kid but now that I'm an adult, I'd have to say no thanks. I don't want to get my ass kicked, stabbed or shot for fun. I'm cool with just getting high and listening to Jack Johnson or something.
I attended dozens of Punk shows in the 80's & early 90's. Like any crowd of people there can be an a-hole or two. The occurance of real violence at Punk shows is so rare, compared to other kinds of gatherings (ever been to a Raiders game?). My point is that you really do want a bunch of young frustrated guys moshing together. They are a lot more dangerous when they are home alone in their parents basement with a poorly secured gun locker. Having a social outlet for their negative emotions is extemely important. Too bad people showed up armed.
When it lives and breathes violence in it's music and the room is crowded with a bunch of "punks" what would one expect, a pillow fight? There will always be those who rejoice in anti-social behavior but hell it's their right! People are assaulted and killed at sporting events more often than we like, so "what-ta-hey"...it's every man/women for themselves!...be safe!!...
Commie scum got what they deserved.
There is justice in the world.
GOOD....thinning of the freaks!
Avarage Guy, why dont you and people like you pull your head out?
1. An ar15 is not a military "assault" weapon any more than a H2 Hummer is a military "assault" vehicle.2 Banning "assault" weapons will not stop violence any more than banning back seats in cars will stop teenage pregnancy. You and people like you will never figure that out.