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Subscribe to RSSAuthorities say a United Express plane from western New York blew four tires as it landed at Newark Liberty International Airport and veered off a runway.
Port Authority of New York and New Jersey spokesman Ron Marsico says Flight 4480 from Rochester was landing Sunday night in New Jersey when several rear tires blew. He tells the Star-Ledger that the plane veered onto a taxiway and didn't strike anything.
The plane was carrying eight passengers and five crew members. No one was hurt.
It wasn't the only mishap at the Newark airport on Sunday.
Earlier in the day, a United Airlines employee became pinned between a luggage cart and a food service truck. Marsico tells The Record that the worker was seriously hurt. It's unclear how the accident happened.
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OK flight engineers...how do you blow four tires while landing???
Very glad no injuries.
Lousy maintenance + a hard landing will do it.
Sounds like bad luck in that all or most of them blew on one side... if it went 2+2 likely it would not have went off the taxiway.
GM Chefaz,
I could explain why this happed, but I'm too .....tired.
( i know, i know, GROAN)
This happens when the brakes are locked up on landing and the tires do not roll.. If moisture gets into the area on take off it freezes at altitude.. Used to happen all the time during WW2 when bombers stationed in England would return and go from altitude to landing too fast.. -60 deg. at 20,000 feet and metal once it gets that cold ices up fast.. They put heaters in the bays to warm the gear ever since WW2 on anything that would go over 5,000 feet.. Same goes for de-ice hardware for the wings......
Since they said 4 tires I believe the pilot made a boo boo..
Other thought is when pilot turns on parking brake switch as he retracts gear on takeoff and does not turn it off when doing the pre landing checklist.. Maybe a stewardess was giving him a lap dance and distracted him or he had a few drinks, that happens tooooo.. Seriously all it takes is a faulty indicator or micro switch...
Excellent insight, Roadrunner.
One other possibility is failure to correct from 'crabbing' into a crosswind before touching down. There were pretty good gusts last night in that area.
But I think your scenarios are more likely, to be honest.
If true that the blown tires were all on one side, perhaps the heater was not working in that wheel well, causing the brakes to freeze up and lock upon landing.
I have heard that a fighter pilot can flatten all the tires by locking brakes before takeoff, and winding up the engine a little too much before release.
Perhaps one tire failed and it damaged the others enough to fail when it few apart. Perhaps they struck the runway too hard on touchdown.
The crew must be tired.
;-)
Good to see humor in you today. "Good Humor".
gm Creek Dog,
Maybe the crew was distracted because takenaka wants to ban their guns.
Gm Bill, Creekdog, Takenada,
wow...takenada....a funny?
Morning Creek, Bill, Takenaka
Crew is going to claim that the extra weight of the new tax burdens caused the tires to blow.
GM Tracy
Well weight could have been a factor as there were 8 people on board carrying a huge tax weight as well.
Had a "bounce
dcheck?"GM Tracy
That tax burden is getting heavier and heavier so that even a/c maintenance cannot find the time to check tires when the a/c was in maintenance last or, even the pilot on his required "walk-around" should have noticed undue wear on tread!
I'll bet some gun-nut shot them out!! Criminilize all guns!!! Only Criminals should carry guns, we are more responsible.. :-)
Vote for me for Pres.., at least I'll to being a criminal!!!
i knew the funniest viners would show up on this one and i was right!!!
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good afternoon all!!!
Jack, scooter, Chef
Next thing you know, the passengers are going to get an inflated tire surcharge added. That or oxygen mask will drop from the ceiling on final approach and passengers will be instructed to blow into the mask to ensure that the tires are fully inflated.
The crew was distracted because of the many airplanes flying to New York with Hatians women to have their babies--instant US citizenship--WHERE IS CNN
OOO crap, Tracy!!! You don't even want to know about the visual that just produced. That was funny!!!
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GA Chefaz
Seems humor is paramount when the manure hits the oscilatting device!, and Tracy comes through on a regular basis!
Sorry chef, sometimes a story is just too f'd up to be serious, glad you got a laugh and didn't spit coffee on the monitor.
OOONNNOOOO another crazy visual!!! that was funny!!! hahahahahahahahahaha thanks, jack!!! :)
i never drink coffee, Tracy and it's too early for Grey Goose!!! :)
Hi Tracy and Chefaz (and you are welcome for that visual! hahaha
The sun is always over the yard arm somewhere (the older version of "it's 5 o'clock somewhere" - Ching Ching Se Dooey! Thai for "Cheers or Salud"! Time now for either a Lemon Drop or a Cosmo- yum ;)
Coming down on them them to hard. Bad approach maybe.
"coming down" tends to do that.
I think someone forgot to "kick the tires". - RC
Sounds like a hard landing. What was the weather like in newark. We came in real hard at charlotte Thursday night. It was all the pilot could do to keep us upright, crosswinds were horrid and he needed two tries to get in.
Sounds similar to Newark, Gouranga.
Anyone watching the Pats/Ravens game yesterday saw conditions that were similar to Newark. Winds slightly lower in NJ.
Anybody care to guess where those tires were made? I noticed they blatantly left that detail out. I'd put down $10 the tires came from China!
Is that all you got is $10 for a statement like that??
No wonder it blew tires and slid off the runway.
It's part of Delta Airlines. They should be renamed, "Chew you up and spit you out".
Delta will do anything they can to screw you. I hope they go bankrupt and all of their execs 'golden parachutes' have huge holes in them.
I hate Delta and will never fly Delta, again.
I wouldn't fly Deta either, but the article did say it was a "United" flight.
Yeah. I just hate Delta. (Long story)
Since when did facts matter? LOL (facetious font)
United is part of Delta? Who knew? You learn so much on these threads . . .
I won't profess to know a whole lot about tires, certainly nada about airplane tires, but shouldn't an industry manufacturing safety standard include the possibility of hard landings? In other words, if our auto industry tires are manufactured to withstand most bumps and potholes as normal wear and tear, wouldn't the airline industry also assume there are going to be times when a hard landing will take place during the life of a tire?
This reminds me of the Bridgestone/Firestone tire rollover cases years back - they were manufacturing shoddy tires, putting them on Ford Explorers and people were getting involved in rollover accidents. When the number of deaths and injuries reached levels too high to ignore, a class action suit was filed, and the truth came out.
I hope this is just an isolated incident, but at the very least, it deserves more stringent inspection, and I'm talking about small and large jets alike. The airlines have a duty to protect, just as I have a duty to ensure the equipment on my vehicle is safe and I can carry passengers in my vehicle without worry.
But, this is "Delta" we are talking about. I'd rather drive than fly Delta.
Delta is an acronym for, "don't ever leave the airport."
Cathy, there are stringent rules for these commuter, and main line, airlines, as far as maintenance. But, too often, they are overlooked, unless there is actually an FAA performing unscheduled monitoring of their maintenance practices.
I worked for a light plane maintenance guy, and tires were a key ingredient in his inspection procedure. Part of that was the number of takeoffs and landings in the maintenance logs. More than once we had an FAA inspector show up, and advised us he/she was there for the sole purpose of checking out our maintenance procedures. He'd get out the log books of every plane in the hangar, and go through them, with intermittent visits to the hangar to check on something he noticed, such as a tire change, or bearing regreasing, or many other things.
Too often, things such as that are overlooked, or just "pencil whipped," on the inspection sheet, unless there is actually a "squawk" by cabin crew member that is noted in the log. And there are several airlines that are notorious for that, especially now the CEO's and senior execs are getting rich on the reduction in maintenance costs gained by off-shore maintenance facilities. If they can get even one more takeoff and landing on a tire, that is thousands of dollars saved.
None of this might be pertinent, as it might be, as previously stated by others, locked brakes caused by altitude freezeup, or other problem, such as landing incorrectly by the pilot.
inMy -
Some posters are talking about Delta, but the article has to do with a UNITED commuter jet.
Sample squawk gear write-up, and corrective action.
"#2 main gear tire almost worn to limits."
"#2 main gear almost replaced."
Apocryphal? Might have been, but I've actually seen this one in a log book.
I was once on a flight landing at Newark that hit the runway so hard I thought they didn't have the wheels down. The pilot got on the mike and apologized, but it was caused by a 35 MPH crosswind gust at the very moment of landing. Stuff happens.
This was a United Express flight, not a Delta connection flight.
Yeah, but I never pass up a good opportunity to slam Delta.
Ah, that explains it.
This was a United express flight not a Delta connection flight.
This flight was a United Express flight not a Delta flight.
Whoops, sorry about that.
Probably some malware Delta installed on the internet. LOL.
It says a lot about how well the Embraer jets are built. Their needs to be an improvement in ExpressJets preventative maintenance program. When in doubt, change the part or tire out!
I wish the Embraer folks would start a manufacturing plant here in the US. We could sure use the work.
But then their ships would be less reliable.
Blame game time...
im going with......RAVENS......damn blackbirds anyway.
never EVER did i think that i could possibly find myself rooting in the Ravens but, as the fickle finger of fate would have it, there it is!!!
Is there any way Both Harbaughs could lose? Please?
LOL!!!
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Baloney skin tires and when one blew out it placed an overweight burden problem on the remaining bald tires causing them to blow out one at a time also?
MSNBC further reports- " The blow tires on the aircraft can be directly attributed to Assault weapons in the US and the lack of Federal Gun control legislation"
Pretty much only one way, in modern equipment, to blow four tires like that. The antiskid system either failed or was turned off. Other things that might cause one tire to blow would seldom result in a multiple blowout. An improperly done crosswind landing should not have enough transverse loading to wipe the tires. A spiked landing strong enough to blow 4 tires would have probably resulted in frame or strut damage. If the tire was FODded (foreign object damage), the FOD would have had to have been all across the runway to get 4.
I could see popping one maybe two that way.. Only the flight recorder and the pilot know for sure and I would bet he already has a union lawyer working on it..
This happens when the brakes are locked up on landing and the tires do not roll.. If moisture gets into the area on take off it freezes at altitude.. Used to happen all the time during WW2 when bombers stationed in England would return and go from altitude to landing too fast.. -60 deg. at 20,000 feet and metal once it gets that cold ices up fast.. They put heaters in the bays to warm the gear ever since WW2 on anything that would go over 5,000 feet.. Same goes for de-ice hardware for the wings......
Since they said 4 tires I believe the pilot made a boo boo..
Other thought is when pilot turns on parking brake switch as he retracts gear on takeoff and does not turn it off when doing the pre landing checklist.. Maybe a stewardess was giving him a lap dance and distracted him or he had a few drinks, that happens tooooo.. Seriously all it takes is a faulty indicator or micro switch...
Nice analysis. I'm thinking the blowouts occurred later in the landing roll, since they "veered off" onto a taxiway. I've seen incidents that would add up to this. I'm thinking the pilot left the antiskid off, which will cut right through a tire going from a skid on wet, to dry. Modern antiskids only fail one wheel at a time. The wheels didn't freeze up on touchdown. A plane on the ground is pretty ballistic until steered, so it veers where it's steered.
Give you 10 to one the pilots screwed with the antiskid, and are back-pedalling in creating a plausible story.
But Sky Dog,
Roadrunner knows his stuff about all modern aircraft built since WWII. Like the fact that "all" airplanes that go over 5000 feet have heaters in the wheel wells.
Sounds like a failure to place the anti-skid system into the ON position like it's supposed to be. If the crew turned it off I hope it was in response to a QRH procedure.
I really like the statement in the article that "some of the rear tires blew." Well if they lost all 4 that means they blew ALL OF THE REAR TIRES. Did a third grader write this article? Jeez if they screwup an article this simple guess how bad the complex ones are.
really like the statement in the article that "some of the rear tires blew." Well if they lost all 4 that means they blew ALL OF THE REAR TIRES. Did a third grader write this article? Jeez if they screwup an article this simple guess how bad the complex ones are.
Pretty bad. My favorite was from the World Airways accident in..the early 80's?? A DC-10 went off the end on the runway at Logan, and a local Boston station foamed, 'The airplane landed on runway 13, and then veered and went off the end of runway 31.' They'd obviously conflated the tower report for the landing on 13, and the fact the aircraft was in the water past the big 31.
The media is absolutely horrid at their initial suppositions in accidents. At least the majors have been embarrassed enough to now have aviation experts for the larger events. Most experienced pilots are pretty good at narrowing down possible causes quickly, if not nailing the failure.
That's why they don't usually allow all the heavy people on one side of the cabin.
Surely this too is Obama's fault....
Ban Tires !
PTL
Most of you on here are not aware that aircraft tires are inflated with nitrogen gas (to stop water vapor from forming INSIDE the tire and freezing), and that it was more than likely the airline ground crew (who are paid a minimum of $20.00 per hour) did not perform their checks properly. Pilots are not tire mechanics; they are more concerned with icing on the wings, etc. Tires are good for about 40-60 landings before having to be changed (they don't rotate them like car tires); nose gear tires last a bit longer (70-90 landings). More than likely, it was a combination of a vertical wind shear, coupled with a harder than normal landing oin concrete and tarmac that is barely above freezing that caused a chain reaction... so before you sound like idiots and blame gun conrol, the taxation burden, and whatever else you think is funny, try and talk some sense... Remember, it is better to remain silent and appear wise, or open one's mouth and remove all doubt...
Remember, it is better to remain silent and appear
wise, stoopid or open one's mouth and remove all doubt...Skydog... most aircraft of this type have four to six wheel main bogie landing gear. That means they have three tires on the inside and three tires on the outside of each main gear oleo.
This was a commuter flight, an Embraer ERJ 145, . They are single axle, two tires per strut.
Bogies can have 4 tires as well, or theoretically, 3, but I've not seen any on aircraft.
For everyone else, bogie gear are like railway car wheels, a carrying structure that has more than one axle. Some bogies are articulated where one axle can change angles with the other to help turns. Some bogies are able to rotate their whole carriage to help with crosswind landings when the pilot chooses to land in a "crab" instead of holding one wing down. This airplane had "normal" wheels, two wheels on one axle per side. 4 tires means they wiped all 4 main gear, a pretty good trick on an average day.
Sky Dog, the only rotatable "crab" style main gear is on the B-52, (because of the tandem bicycle style main gear,) unless a lot of modern big jets have changed in the last few years. The ERJ-145 also has exposed wheels, even when in flight, as they don't have a "full-cover" assembly as a lot, if not most, other bigger jets do.
The C-5A originally had crab gear, but they retrofitted 5B gear onto the older airplanes. The IL-76, I believe, also has it. It becomes more handy with a large fuselage cross-profile, but is notoriously difficult to maintain.
Open gear wells should have had no effect on this particular accident. If it did, as in ice accumulation on the gear, it'll be a new one for the books, I think. Nor would 4 tires blow out simultaneously, as two tires would have been more protected from the airstream, and would have had different reaction to landing impact.
I'm still sticking with the KISS theory. The antiskid was off, and the pilot honked on the brakes to turn off and hit a dry patch.
I want to read the news report--but our Presiden is on the tv--telling lies---lies----lies