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This December 2012 handout photo provided by the Effingham County Sheriff's Office shows Chad Moretz, who was shot dead by a SWAT team on Jan. 11, 2013.
Police went to Chad Moretz's home to ask him about a friend who had gone missing and quickly found themselves in a tense standoff when a relative answered the door and whispered: "He's got a rifle. He's going to kill y'all."
It was at least the fourth time in 18 months deputies had gone to see Moretz. Neighbors and relatives had accused him of chasing his wife with a machete, threatening to kill a man with a handgun and stabbing a dog with a pocket knife. But none of that prepared investigators for what they found Jan. 11 after Moretz walked onto his front porch with an assault rifle and was killed by a SWAT team sniper.
Inside the home, amid filth and roaches and foul odors, police found the missing man's severed head and two hands hidden behind a kitchen cabinet inside a hole in the wall. The rest of the body, dismembered by a power saw and wrapped in bags, was discovered in a storage locker a half-hour away in neighboring South Carolina.
"I don't believe there was a motive," said David Ehsanipoor, an investigator for the Effingham County Sheriff's Office. "It wasn't a drug deal gone bad or a love triangle. Chad was just crazy."
Medical examiners confirmed the body belonged to Charlie Ray, 35. Ray had been a friend of Moretz, and his family had been searching for him since New Year's Eve.
An autopsy showed Ray was stabbed more than 40 times and had been dead more than a week before his remains were found. Moretz's wife told investigators her husband and Ray had been drinking and talking, then started arguing. She said Moretz grabbed a knife and started repeatedly stabbing Ray in their kitchen, Ehsanipoor said. Investigators suspect Ray's body was dismembered to make it easier to hide.
Ray's mother, Sandi Ray, said in a brief phone interview her son struggled with Tourette's syndrome.
Megan Edgerly, a friend of Ray's since childhood, said the debilitating brain disorder left him unable to drive or to hold down a job. She said he handled his tics — flailing arms and vocal outbursts — with grace and humor and treasured friends who accepted him in spite of it.
"Charlie never had a frown on his face," Edgerly said. "He was dealt a bad hand, but he always maintained a real positive attitude throughout all of it."
Moretz lived about 20 miles from where Ray lived with his parents. Moretz had moved there from southwest Florida, where violence devastated his own family a year and a half ago.
His father is scheduled to stand trial in April for the slaying of Moretz's mother in Naples, Fla. Police said Jeffrey Moretz, 55, followed his estranged wife, Christine Moretz, to a hospital and fatally shot her while she was visiting a friend on July 5, 2011. He then shot himself, but survived. Court records show Jeffrey Moretz filed for divorce in Collier County, Fla., two weeks before his wife's slaying.
One of Chad Moretz's neighbors, Ross Maruca, said Moretz didn't work and let his grass grow knee-high before Maruca decided to cut it himself. He said Moretz once showed up at his door and asked his wife for food and money. She gave him $20, he said, and Moretz later paid it back.
"You could look at him and tell something was wrong, just the look he had," Maruca said. "He looked like he was dazed all the time."
Deputies jailed Moretz on July 23, 2011 — not quite three weeks after his mother was killed — when his brother-in-law told police he'd received a frantic phone call from his sister saying Moretz was chasing her with a machete. Moretz's wife denied the story. Deputies charged Chad Moretz with trespassing when they found him hiding by a shed in a neighbor's yard.
Last May, neighbors called the sheriff's office when they said Moretz stabbed a dog that had gotten loose after he was bitten several times. In November, a friend told police Moretz asked for a ride, and when he refused, he pointed the gun at him and threatened to kill him and his family.
Deputies arrested Moretz on charges of making terroristic threats on Dec. 22. Jail records show he was released on $3,500 bond the same day.
Almost two weeks later, Maruca called police after seeing a TV news report that Charlie Ray was missing. Maruca knew Ray because he had lived at Moretz's house for two or three months the previous summer. The neighbor said he saw Ray at the house Jan. 2.
Police initially talked to Moretz's wife, who said Ray wasn't there. Days later, they decided to return to the suburban neighborhood of modest brick homes talk to Moretz himself. His brother-in-law, Kevin Lambert, met detectives at the door and whispered a warning.
"He said, 'Chad's in here, he's got a rifle, he's going to kill y'all,'" Ehsanipoor said.
Detectives dragged Lambert out of the house and retreated. Moretz, armed with an assault rifle, refused to come out or to let his wife leave. A hostage negotiator and a SWAT team were brought in.
After more than four hours, Moretz's wife ran outside through the front door and collapsed in the yard. Then Moretz emerged with an AR-15 rifle. Ehsanipoor said he was raising the gun when a sniper shot him.
Though investigators say they believe Moretz alone killed Ray, his wife and brother-in-law have been charged with helping conceal the death. Kimberly Moretz did not immediately return a message left at a phone number listed for her on a police report. Lambert did not have a listed phone number.
Investigators said it was one of the siblings who told authorities during the standoff that Ray's remains were hidden in a storage locker in nearby Jasper, S.C.
"Everybody's still in a state of shock," said Edgerly, Ray's longtime friend. "This isn't supposed to happen."
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These are the kind of folks who shouldn't be getting guns, yet get them anyways.
Yes, let's by all means concentrate on the gun here rather than the entire family who seem to be completely animalistic, crazy, anti social murderers who have no business in a functional society.
Let's not discuss the beheading or the chopping off of the hands. Let's not discuss the ethnic background of the killer that may have played a part in the mind set of someone raised to believe this is the way to handle arguments and disputes.
We won't even discuss that the article carefully doesn't even mention how the friend was killed, just that guns were found at the premises and that the killer came into full view of the SWAT team holding one. This entire story is so convoluted a story board is needed to effectively follow the script with all the characters.
pretty much sums it up. good job scremin
This a clear example of where the gun control issue should be.
First, drop GUN from control.
Now replace Gun with Mental Illness.
Result: The real root of the problem.
If by concentrate you mean, "make an observation." Then, yes, I'm guilty of concentrating on the gun.
But, you just seem to ignore the point I made. He was able to get an "assault" weapon despite being obviously mentally ill.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and assume that you find a problem with that as well, right?
GM Mimi, Scooter and Okie Boy,
It's way too easy to assess the blame on the inanimate object (gun), but to point out mental illness means the bureaucracy failed to serve the people - again and again. As it stands, by blaming the gun, the bureaucracy is pointing the other 3 fingers back at themselves because there are already laws on the books (fed, state and local) that, if enforced would "deprive" these mentally ill and criminal types any opportunity to get a gun. But wait.... the chain saw, knife and machete were put to use in the decapitation and quartering the victim for easier hide. I guess the head and hands were kept as souvenirs or to stymie victim ID.
Screminmimi,
I thought it said the friend Ray was stabbed several times in their kitchen according to the wife,And then cut up for easy hiding...Even typing that is discusting and unfathomable act of a monster !I am shocked... Shocked I say that they did not call the AR15 an assault rifle,that has been the MO of the news portrayal on the scary guns...If the story is true,Then this guy is what Bat Sh** Crazy looks like,and sounds like the family were scared to death of him,with good reason,why they didn't flee in the night or kill the guy with his own weapons is anybody's guess.
AR-15 again, so many recent stories it makes you wonder if the media and/or government is trying to set this up to support the new proposed legislation??
@ Some Guy...
You are correct. I did what I accused you of doing and failed to note the structure of your post, which did in fact concentrate on the mental stability of the person who was in control of the guns found at the establishment.
You did not, in fact, start off with a rant about doing away with firearms, which is a soap box point with me as I am a single woman living alone in the woods and having to rely on a rifle for protection against rabid animals after my domestic stock, and thieves (twice last year) who think I am an easy target.
I will try to reign in my attack for the proper target.
This guy's entire family, from the father to the wife's family, would be an interesting study on the subject of mental instability. How the heck did they all find each other?
Hi, Scooter..
Welcome to the party.
Another poster boy for the NRA.
Oops looks like they called it a AR15 rifle then in the next paragraph they call it just a Assult rifle......they can't decide what to call it or one gun was just a rifle....and then it turned into an Assult rifle or was it two separate guns??This must have been a shapeshifter gun,they said rifle...then Assult rifle.... Wow great confusing story.
Ster2..
You need a story board just to keep up with the players, let alone the guns and residences involved.
They did not spend alot of hlight time on the AR-15 because this MM stabbed the victim 40 times.
The AR was the reason he was taken out of the gene pool. If, however, any shots were fired you would have heard alot more on the subject.
Stabbed 40 times does not give much of a platform for the disarmament crowd.
There has been a lot of inbreeding going on in this family. To many crazies in one location.
There was a Buick dealer years ago in Indianapolis named Dave Mason that had commercials similar to this story.
"Nooooooooobody can sell you a new or used car for less than Dave Mason."
"Nooooooooobody."
This fellow was obviously mentally disturbed at best or completely deranged at worst, yet authorities despite numerous contacts with him over the months and years apparently never once ordered him held/committed for observation.
BTW, that's some family he's got, eh?
That's his match.com photo.
This guy had every right to own an AR-15, mentally unstable or not. Show me where in the Constitution that the deranged can't have guns. If anyone needs firearms, it is the mentally ill.
I can't believe Obama and the UN are going to take all of our guns.
im a little confused by the gun nuts shifting the conversation towards mental health
are you all now in favor of BIG GOVT spending money to treat mental health?
because, folks, thats going to cost a sh!t ton of money...
and I thought your taxes were already high enough and blah blah blah...
Bob - gotta agree, some of them got Aliens circling the solar system, just WAITING to launch an attack on them. How do you defend yourself from the aliens without assault weapons?
It's not like we are allowed to NUCLEAR ARMS, like the 2nd amendment says we can.
Stupid restrictions that some people call LOGICAL.
Move on, nothing to see here, nothing more than another AWB with an AR-15!!!
People ( or sheeple )
Look at the date under the guys picture 1 / 11 / 13. That was ten days ago !!!!!
Now tell me the news media is not slanting stories or planting stories to influence the gun debate. Guess we will see and hear a ton of this type of story for a very long time. That is if congress ever acts on this !!
Congratulations on having a negative IQ Freebird. It shouldn't be physically possible, and yet here you are.
And I own firearms...with a negative IQ! That is truly troubling!
Mimi
Yes a story board for every one of these Stories out there including Sandy Hook,The first stories I heard on that we're 2 men on the ground,A Helocopter following a chase down of a third man into the woods,One of the Suspects on the ground was moved to the front of the Cop/Swat car,and them showing the Bushmaster in the Trunk of the car,Now the Whole story has changed ! WTHeck ! And now story's (not being covered by the Mainstream) say The 5 Worst/Recent Mass Murders in the USA (with a Firearm) Came from Democrats.............
By Clash Daily / 18 January 2013 / 291 Comments
The source of information for this news post came from Roger Hedgecock's 1/17/13 radio show. Here's the link. Fast forward to 21:13 for Roger's comments.
The five worst mass killings, where a firearm was used, have a common thread. Hint #1: They didn't belong to the NRA. They don't fit the stereotype of the "red-neck" gun owner.
Check it out …
Ft Hood: Registered Democrat/Muslim.
Columbine: Too young to vote; both families were registered Democrats and progressive liberals.
Virginia Tech: Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff.
Colorado Theater: Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant; progressive liberal.
Connecticut School Shooter: Registered Democrat; hated Christians.
Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal Democrats.
Also, of the worst killings in the last several decades, only one was a female, all the rest were boys, barely men. Their role models were rappers, action movies, comics and violent video games.
Our problem isn't weapons, it's boys without boundaries. Who live in 'progressive' households.
- via Macho Slavich [facebook] h/t S. A. Lachut
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So I guess it's not the Crazy Redneck Gun crazies Afterall......
How did this loony get possession of an assault rifle?
I'm a little confused as to how this article is about guns in the first place. This mental health nut job stabbed a guy 40 times and then proceded to dismember him. This should obviously be about mental health and not gun control. This guy has shown previously that he has mental issues.
And then you bring up Nuclear arms. Terrible argument. What every day person could even contemplate affording a nuclear device?
.....and that's exactly the response your liberal news media wants from their 'well guided' readers of their spoon fed news. You wouldn't have seen this article on the front page of NBC news prior to the event in Newtown.
I'm not saying (at all) that nuts should have guns. They shouldn't. What I am saying is that people can be easily led by the very people who think that the piece of steel in someone's hands is evil and all guns should be gotten rid of. That, my friend, is their ultimate quest. I have NEVER seen such a massive group of politicians move so fast to enhance their reelection chances. Never mind the myriad of ulcerative problems including dragging their feet on help for the millions of Hurricane Sandy victims. It was like pulling teeth.
Your politicians zeal to CONTINUE to eat away at our Constitutional rights does not go unnoticed by the majority of us. Maybe these zealous politicos can start 'boot healing' the First Amendment and start bringing some of these lying news organizations and their political friends under control also.
look I'm one of the first to say we do need some kind of procedure in place to make sure that crazies don't get guns. (I live in the country and own a gun, and have many gun owning friends who agree). However didn't the guy stab the victim and then cut off his head. The only gun involved was the one he carried to meet the swat team.
We are never going to stop the crazies from killing, maybe we can just cut the number down a little. I love this country and I firmly believe in the constitution, however until somebody can show me where it says you have the right to "bear any arm you want" I will continue to believe that the 2nd ammendment is not absolute and the government has the right to tell you what arms you may own, and that includes knives & other forms of arms not just guns.
And yet another raving lunatic with an "AR-15 assault rifle". Anyone else see a pattern here?
Yes, the pattern is that NBC has an agenda to promote.
in response to Waldo .... He probably purchased it.
in response to Mousesj .... If you wish to not own a gun - that is your right. If the US Constitution's 2nd amendment allows me to own a gun to ward off Tyranny - that is My right. I do not give you permission to give away my rights.
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Should he have been allowed guns - yes, unless he was already under care of a shrink.
Should we ban power saws - because he used them to???
Stupid is as stupid does. And it looks like from the report there is a lot of "stupid" in his genetic line.
If I could ask that dog, I bet it would explain that it was biting Moretz for a reason other than "getting loose".
WOW.....
is just about all i can say. for the people saying that the obama care takes care of mental health care....
where does it say that?
as far as i know it covers hospital visits, not shrink visits, not dentist visits, but hospital visits.
so the question is how did this guy get a gun?
you want a poster boy for people who shouldnt have guns, this guy is it!!!
my god, this guy was just about to go postal, i am surprised he didnt!!
how was this guy not in jail from the previous issues? and now we have to ask who will make sure people like this WONT get guns?!!
who is going to visit his house to make sure they dont have guns?
are we gonna need a seperate police force just for this?
Jessica-1170252
Is there any point to your asenine rant?
NRA:
"Guns don't kill people. People kill people."No, you bunch of 'rocket scientists', people WITH GUNS kill people!
OMG. he got out on bail from the previous issue. He was probably out on probation for others. It's not listed.
I like your question:
I wonder the same thing myself. If he got a permit for a gun, and LATER was diagnosed with a mental condition, who goes around to his home to retrieve his weapons?
If he had lived under the radar of the cops he could keep such weapons for years, and no one would question it.
Some Guy,
A power saw was used to dismeber the head and hands of his victom. It's firearms you're after though. What kind of idiot are you?
Robert in Oregon,
People with power saws kill people.
'flintlock-4771495' wrote:
And people who use even use guns for their identity, 'flintlock', probably have a serious "compensation" issue. Be honest with us, now (it'll be our secret), ... we're guessing an itsy bitsy little penis, right? Sad. Maybe you should consider a grenade launcher or bazooka?
The victim was stabbed 40 times. Good reason to ban firearms. Chased people with a machete, good reason to ban firearms. Killed dog with pocket knife, good reason to ban firearms.
@ Robert in Oregon, out of the entire article you concentrate on the gun that wasn't even fired? No mention from you of the murder, stabbing, or dismemberment? Pushing your agenda much? Run along little boy until you can contribute something intelligent to the discussion. I'm sure there is a Portlandia marathon you could be watching..........
Actually Robert in this case it was a maniac with a knife and power saw that killed someone. But hey, don't let facts get in the way of your agenda. Also if they ban knives how will cut up your tofu?
No, you bunch of Einsteins. This was yet another man who under ANY sane set of standards should not have had possession of an AR-15 assault rifle, or possession of ANY gun. That's the point! Even your NRA agrees with not having guns in the possession of the insane. Are you arguing now on behalf of the 2nd Amendment Rights of the insane to keep and bear arms?
robert in oregon,
why not, the libs want felons that committed crimes to be able to vote. are you suggesting murders and drugdealers be able to vote also?!
Uh, he pointed the gun at the police when they came to arrest him. He apparently used it to scare the bejeezus out of his brother-in-law, and my assessment of the rest of the family is that they were terrified of him. Still, there is nothing in his provable behavior that would have classified him as mentally ill or a felon. In fact, I'm not convinced he was mentally ill, that seems to be a popular off-the-cuff diagnosis made after someone has gone postal. Most of the people who commit these acts are angry, not mentally ill, there's a difference. It's an anger that is glorified in Rambo-type movies and presented to white American males as some kind of birthright. And as for the press trying to sway public opinion against guns, wake up. This has been going on for years, it's in the newspapers (if you read them) every goddam day, and the victims, nine times out of ten, are WOMEN. Next comes children, then parents. And we're sick of it.
OMG really people?!! wrote:
Wow, that's the strangest non sequitur I have read on Newsvine in a long, long time. Even in this 'haven for whackadoodles', that one earns honorable mention. When you reread your own comment, does that make sense even to you?
A.D.D. much?
Try REALLY, REALLY hard to concentrate.
Everyone left out the other piece of the puzzle.
The night the murder was committed it was done by knife ( one poster picked up on that ) . Everyone missed the fact that they were DRINKING TOGETHER and got into an argument, then the stabbing took place.
True the guy is not all there. The proof of that was when he met the police with weapon in hand.
My point being is this. The news media is slanting the news the way they want it.
He "probably purchased it?" What difference does it make where he got it? I don't care if he stole it or had aunt Nellie buy it for him in a 'straw purchase.' It's what he WAS CAPABLE of doing with it, and what he intended to do with it.
The point is, there are over 300 million people in this country and what happened in Newtown WILL happen again because no one on God's give Earth can stop the next one........then what? More nonsensical gun control laws which the bad guys pay absolutely no attention to and the 'Nuts' are oblivious to? Your lying liberal news media spins this crap until they turn it into a meal for the gullible.
It's like trying to outlaw the flu.......ain't gonna happen. And the only thing real tax paying, hard working, UNREPRESENTED Americans will get is their Constitutional rights abridged. It's happening, and my point is that the First Amendment screamers in the national press are leading the charge. Maybe they should have their rights stomped down a few pegs to give them a taste of it. There is a very good reason the Second Amendment was placed where it was.............
Seems to me the real meat of the story is this:
Why won't law enforcement protect the people they are supposed to serve? Oh that's right, because they will get sued by the ACLU and other left wing groups for violating this nut cases rights. But they don't seem concerned at violating the rights of millions of Americans over the right to possess a firearm.
According to this story,
If he didn't work and was so poor that he'd been having to ask neighbors for food and money, how was it he had a $1000 rifle?
I do have to wonder just what else this guy's been into. Was the rifle bought with drug money? Was it stolen? Did someone who didn't want to be found with it in their possession give it to him or sell it to him very cheaply?
I have a feeling there is a very interesting back story here that either no one is aware of yet or else they're not telling us about it.
the TIGOR
My gut feeling is , you hit the nail on the head.
But because of the gun control hoopla that is going on now. The biases news media chose to leave it out. As it does their side no good in the gun control fight. The biases news media along with congress thinks we are all stupid fools and will swallow everything they tell us.
I am sick to my stomach to think that you people would make this some gun regulation discussion. Charlie is my cousin and he was a good man who never deserved this. The idea that what happened to him is now being used as some sort of political agenda is sickening. How about you pray for our family and not dismiss our loss in the wake of gun control debates. Knives were used in Charlie's murder not guns and he deserves more respect than the inanimate objects that you have deemed more note worthy. We love you Charlie RIP.
This is clearly a case for banning assault knives. How do you stab a guy 40 times?
Unless it is some kind of automatic assault knife? Probably that new AR-15 assault
knife flying off the shelves of all the kitchen utensil dealers we keep hearing
about in the news.
So it is okay for people like Chad Moretz to have firearms because they would just use knives to kill people? That is good logic. We need to arm the mentally ill!
Hmm, looks like a police sniper didn't allow him to "fire" after he was raising the weapon.
One less douche bag in the world that the taxpayers of Georgia won't have to support.
Danielj, sorry for you and your family's loss. People really need to think before they post, but that is not going to happen here on the vine. People feel that it is their right to use others misery and misfortune to further their own view or agenda. Again I am truly sorry for your loss.
RIP Charlie, my you be held in the Lords' merciful hands.
Wow, it is interesting how many of you posting to this thread allege "media bias" or "media agenda" in this news story, simply because the article reported that the alleged killer was armed with an AR-15 assault rifle when he was shot and killed by a SWAT sniper.
Do you folks actually believe that "fact" is irrelevant? Are you so deluded by your worship of guns that the mere factual mention of a gun in a news story in a less-than glowing, positive context is threatening to "your rights"? Don't FACTS even matter to you folks (unless they are YOUR facts, or supportive of YOUR causes)?
If the FACT that the man was holding the rifle when he was taken down by the SWAT sniper
WAS NOT mentioned - along with the other facts of the story such as the killer's use of a power saw to dismember the body of his victim, his use of knives, a machete, etc., - wouldn't the ommision of the fact that the killer was armed with the rifle have been "media bias"?
If the fact that he was holding the rifle was not mentioned, in order to be a more acceptable read for all of you who think that NBC News has an "agenda", ...we would have had a story about a man who answered the door ( empty handed ) and was killed by a SWAT sniper!
I can almost hear the conspiracy theories and anti-government rants that you whackadoodles would concoct in the absence of that little tidbit of information. Hell, some of you are already filling-in what you believe to be missing pieces of this story with your own whackadoodle speculations, fabrications and bizarre theories.
You folks are real pieces of work. You reject "FACTS", when they make you uncomfortable, or they do not comport with your pre-conceived ideas and opinions. And you rail on "the Media" for reporting "FACTS." But you waste no time at all filling your posts with speculations, fabrications, conspiracy theories, and allegations of lies and bias from the media ... just to make the real world more palatable to you. What a dark and malevolent fantasy alternative Universe you folks inhabit in your own minds.
Here's a clue for the clueless: News reporters report the news. T-H-E ... N-E-W-S. Get it?
Yes, they even report the presence of weapons, when they are part of the story. And the weapons mentioned in this story were knives, a machete ... and yes, even an assault rifle. Get over it. Grow up!
Danielj2
Right, and I'm "Santa Claus" ( except in April when I'm "the Easter Bunny" ). You re-registered on Newsvine TODAY, with a new user name, and you have made the same-worded pro-guns post twice already.
Nice try, poser. But don't fret. Even though you were entirely unconvincing in this, just your latest 'pro-guns agenda shil' disguise, ...you did your duty ( or is that doody? ) You touched on all of the key "sound-bites", so your NRA check will be in the mail.
Robert,
Yes I did open this account today. This is the first time anything on national news has directly involved my family. I did not mean to post this twice and my views on gun control are my own. They may be the same as yours they might not. I do not want a debate about where this nation should go with that topic. I simply don't want my cousin to be a rallying point for it. After attending my cousins funeral last Thursday and not being able to see his face again I would say the wound is still pretty fresh to my family and I. You do not know me you do not know my family and you do not know my cousin. He would not want to be remembered this way. I do not know if there is a way to send messages, but if there is I will send you or anyone else a link to my Facebook page to prove what I am saying is all fact. Please show some respect and don't be so quick to judge.
Where, oh where, is the White House, the DOJ, the NYC Mayor, and the Progressives on OUTLAWING knives ?
Watch out folks, toothpicks will be next.
Waldo: Have you yet convinced yourself that everyone except the guy in the mirror is incapable of making a rational assessment of the news, or anything else? That conclusion itself is, at best, nothing more than utterly subjective, self-serving nonsense.
The desperation is palpable, and of little or no use in a serious discussion about the mounting violence in our nation - and the hysterical insistence on expanding it.
So, you agree with me, but dislike the fact that I posted about it on a news website? My reading comprehension is very poor; can you please tell me what your point is?
He also stabbed the guy to kill him, he didn't even shoot him. I wasn't saying ban all AR-15 sales and take them away from everyone. I was just making the observation that this guy is crazy, yet was still able to purchase a gun. Don't make assumptions, 'cause you know what they say about assuming.
One of a kind.
How did he buy a rifle, let alone a semi-automatic one. He had a pistol, too. Maybe it is mental health the government needs to address, rather than getting more restrictive about guns. Just limit who can buy them.
You are right on. People out of there mind are brought to hospitals for extreme behavior who are are a danger to themselves and everyone around them, and the hospital releases them over and over until they hurt someone. That is the problem that needs to be fixed. Not some show to pander to voters.
The gov't addressed healthcare. Everyone bitched about that too.
Isn't mental health healthcare? No matter what someone will bitch, but this crazy bastard killed and dismembered with a knife and power saw! What are strict gun laws going to do to prevent that? Crazy people are the problem, and if you can't see that, you may be delusional yourself.
You know, I'm tired of all people with 'mental health' concerns being grouped together with fvking whackjobs like this ass. I will never be able to own a gun despite being a responsible and high functioning person with a disease that is under very good care and very close watch. Throwing me into the bucket with psychotic psychopaths/sociopaths just is wrong.
Stang, are you ok with not being able to get a gun? I completely understand where you are coming from, but what if you couldn't get meds or help and had a gun when $hit went wild?
This type of action would work only if it goes one step further....
When people are found to have purchased guns for those who are prohibited by law from owning them, the courts have to come down hard on the purchasers. Jail time. No plea deals.
I didn't read anywhere in the article that this lunatic was the owner of the gun, only that he stepped out on the porch with it.
I was thinking the same thing, Us and Them!
Clearly we need to lobby Congress for stronger power saw controls.
Stang,
I believe it is only certain diagnoses that restrict firearms purchases from an individual based on "mental illness," and even then I believe it may be only after having been involuntarily committed for those illnesses, or when a patient presents a hazard to himself or others.
Some of you really need to learn how to read an article. Indiana Engineer, screminmimi, bob1/28
First of all, the article is and never was about the rifle or guns in general, it is about a missing man found dismembered which the article clearly states. It turned into a gun issue by all the those commenting.
Secondly, it does say how the friend was initially killed = stabbed over 40 times around the 1st of the year and then dismembered.
Third, as for the picture provided - the picture was provided from a Dec 2012 incident, as it states below it. It does NOT say the picture was taken on Jan 2013 but that he was killed on Jan 11, 2013.
mimi: I've read several of your posts over the past few months, and have notice one consistent theme you've always included in your posts - that you are a woman living alone in a rural area. Do you think it wise to repeatedly announce internationally that to be the case? There exist those in our society that would find that a perverse 'challenge'.
And incidentally, I know of no current legislation that has any intent on confiscating your, or anyone else's weapons. This kind of nonsensical rant about 'gun grabbers' and 'coming to get your guns' is as ridiculous as the rants about the 'lunatics in the NRA'.
We wonder about emotional maturity - and then read such constructive commentary as; "
Where, oh where, is the White House, the DOJ, the NYC Mayor, and the Progressives on OUTLAWING knives ?
Watch out folks, toothpicks will be next.
"...rather than getting more restrictive about guns. Just limit who can buy them."
Ummm, that is called "getting more restrictive about guns".
Who marries a guy like this? Has to be the same kind of mental case. Ya, in that part of the country there is probably more stored and buried weapons than Fort Knox has gold. Not hard to get one.
I want to see a photo of the wife. Just out of curiosity.
Lola3, go look up Kimberly Moretz on either bing or google images. I found it on bing. I just searched for "Chad Moretz Wife" and she popped up.
TO STEVEN 100 A loser fat chick that doesn't want to work and sit on her butt all day and have him support her and her fat kids ... THIS IS WHAT THE WORLD IS COMING TO .... HANG ON!!!!!
the wife...And inbreed relative without the ability to have a sane thought on her own....
Lola, I hear her skin was like that of a tender beef brisket. Her delicate arms looked like chicken wings. Her sturdy thighs like baked hams, and she had eyes that sparkled like cupcakes.
Cupcakes or muffin stumps???
Her milkshake brings all the boys to the yard....
There was another brutal case in this same Georgia county back in 2008 or 2009. Google Craig Heidt. Guy starts sleeping with his sister-in-law. Father and brother are pissed. Craig takes a shotgun kills dad, brother, and shoots mom but she doesn't die. This story was actually aired on Dateline or 48 Hours(?). Oh, and I was told the nickname for this Georgia county is Meth_ingham if that tells you anything...
Steven100 wrote:
Steven, it was a "marriage of convenience." Convenient, because his wife was also his sister and his daughter ( which may be one of the reasons his father killed his mother? )
The most popular Hallmark Birthday cards in Effingham County are those that simply read:
"Happy Birthday __________________________"
;-)
And yet he killed the other guy with a knife. Maybe we should have a ban on steak knives now. Next time you go to Target to buy silverware you should have to go through a background check and have a waiting period. And then it will be baseball bats. When you go to Sports Authority to buy a bat for your son or daughter they should be checked also.
While in line at Target they should also have to apply for a license to breed.
Is the license application on the back of the 38 piece variety pack of Little Debbies snack cakes?
Thanks Sirlafalot I haven't laughed that good for a long time. You brought some well need humor to my day, and I appreciate that. Keep up the awesome work!!!
I like your =^..^=! Ours is a fat white one!
Having lived in Florida for 10 years, I think the state should be renamed Effingham.
what happened to the word "style" NBC ? or is your true "all weapons" agenda showing?
as in
Read the article before the anti gun B.S. rants people... this was a whole house full of whack jobs.....period.
Now now Scooter...
It's not wise to call out NBC for being the mouthpiece of the Democratic Party just as FOX speaks for the Republicans.
Your newsvine account might get turned over to the NSA to monitor for being a civilian non-conformist to the forced ideology! LOL
Have a good one and watch out for boogie men. They're everywhere! LOL
Sounds like there was some alge growing in this gene pool.
bawwwhahahahahaha....great one JW.
Thanks and a GM to you.
One ninety cent round of ammo saved the taxpayers hundred of thousands. Amen!
Am I missing something - it seems that Lambert is a hero in this. Had he not warned the officers coming to the house, this guy would have killed one or more of the officers.
Why isn't more being said about this guy's warning that saved lives? Isn't that exactly what you want family members to do...? I hope they didn't arrest this man.
Later in the news story, it mentioned that the wife and BIL were arrested for helping to conceal the murder of Ray. Lambert may have saved some lives, but he appears he is far from an innocent in this mess.
as far as i'm concerned, PERFECT ending to the story for mr moretz. $2 slug vs court costs, prison, etc.
Well, it's clear to me that we need draconian gun control legislation right now. Ban assault weapons & all guns immediately. This proves you gun nuts are mentally deranged & have no business owning firearms. I'm tired of hearing about people getting killed everyday buy you gun loving rednecks. This needs to stop right now (sarcasm intended).
great idea slacker--that way ONLY criminals will have guns...way to think it through. what other great ideas have you come up with? banning cars, baseball bats, gasoline, power tools, hand tools and knives because crazy people kill with those also.
amazing, literally amazing...go refill the slurpee machine genius.
Oneslackr
Banning something does not mean they will just "go away." It will force the gun trade into the back alley, and I do not feel that is a safer alternative. For example, heroin kills thousands every year and it is a banned substance, one that I think everyone can agree is damaging and should be banned. But no one can stop it. So when a junkie breaks into my house to steal my Ipad to sell for drugs, I would like to be able to defend myself and my family with something other than a dog whistle...
On a side note, your picture is incredible
@ sebrad
Calm down. You do see the (sarcasm intended) at the end, don't you? I just thought I'd put it out there before some gun grabber did it.
Oh yeah, it should be by you & not buy you. Damn typos.
Slacker sarcasm
@ cory1980
One more time, look at my post above. It ends with (SARCASM INTENDED)!!!!! HELLO ?????? Do you guys not know the definition of sarcasm. Geez!
Oneslackr
"This needs to stop right now(sarcasm intended)." Was a little misleading but I'm catchin up. Its Monday...
Did Oneslackr type something? I didn't get past the avatar used.
It is distracting...
Hey one slacker good to see you.Guys one slacker is a 50 somthing year old -overweight tranny from tranny town NY ha ha
I wonder if this would have been a story on NBCNEWS.COM if there wasn't an Assault Weapon envolved in it somewhere.
Not a problem, for some reason there always is. ....wonder why?
unfortunately the assault weapon (the knife) did not get much of a spotlight.
Mention AR-15 and the assumption is auto - Ban All Guns - problem here is (Sorry about repeating myself) the assault weapon was a knife
Your not expecting these agenda pushing idiot's to read the ENTIRE article are you? Not when the attention grabbing headline tells them all they need to know?
Oneslackr,
This proves nothing about the majority of gun owners,and why do you assume only Redneck's have guns's?And what did a Redneck do to you to make you hate a group of people because of where they live or how they talk or look like or like to exersize their RIGHT to own a gun,provided they are not a criminal or mentally unsound.......sounds like your a racist to me.
They should lock up people like you for trying to take the rights of law abiding Americans.
Maybe your the deranged one.
Try reading comprehension. not race cards and name calling.
Rednecks are a race?
No, Rednecks are the dregs of the gene pool!
um...just a thought here...
See that last part...in the parenthesis? Yep...it was sarcasm.
But (and I fully get it) the gun control issue is a very sensitive topic for both sides. Jokes don't usually fly well, when it attacks (or makes fun of) your side of the fence.
Scooter,Slackr.
Obviously,I as well as several others miss read Oneslackr's post,Even the sarcasm sounded like back handed sarcasm lol,My apologies to you Slacker my bad,Yours is not the only post throughout the weeks that have been all over Hillbillies,Rednecks,gun nuts ect...I jumped on you without realizing who you were and how I agree with most of your posts as well as your's Scooter...:) Happy Monday It was early morning,before coffee that I misread your post :( Sorry again
BTW Im not A Hillbilly or Redneck but somebody needs to stick up for the poor bastages lol
Could it be something in the water these crazies are drinking. Nah, they're just plain flat out nutsos. Sniper; one shot, one kill. One less mutt to send to the pound for a life time of 3 hots and a cot at tax payer coin.
This is another perfect example of what pro-gun people have been saying for over a month now about mental illness & how it needs to be the focal point when it comes to reducing violence, instead of just focusing on guns.
1. Focus on ways to improve the diagnosis/treatment of the mentally ill
2. Work on keeping guns out of the hands of the mentally ill without infringing on the 2nd Amendment/law abiding gun owners
I know it won't happen but ideally this is what I'd like see.
Unfortunately, most want to go after law abiding citizens/gun owners who haven't done anything wrong. As a consequence, I don't think much will be accomplished in D.C. despite all of the hoopla regarding recent shootings. Well, other than those of us who love our rights/freedoms losing a few more of them.
So true !!!!
Oneslackr,"Unfortunately, most want to go after law abiding citizens/gun owners who haven't done anything wrong". I agree with you and it makes me wonder what their real agenda is. They seem to be chipping away at many rights and not just the 2nd amendment, but to what end? What is the real goal of these people, assuming there is a real goal. Is this all just to get the citizens attention off of some other issues?
Bat-crap crazy but he has rights! They closed the insane asylums and turned them out in the streets because the asylums cost money. Chases wife with machete; threatens stranger with a pistol; stabs dog with a knife; killed friend with a knife and dismembered him but the important thing is "he had an assault rifle' and that gun told him to do it!
Wow isnt it something how the AR-15 rifle has been the gun that has been used soooo many times in all theses murders that taken place that we have seen.What are the odds of that.Come on now,has anyone else noticed this ? Same for the New Mexico shooting that just took place with the teen age boy who murdered his family.That rifle is just so popular now huh ?
Nothing but the anti-gun media picking on AR-15s again. Why even mention it in this article. This nut used a knife to kill someone & didn't even fire 1 round at the police with his AR-15.
sorry Oneslacker (nice avatar) but 'just-fed' only read as far as 'AR-15' and the conclusion of multiple deaths as a result of was taken out of the anger management file before it could gather dust.
I wonder if Just has written their congress about limiting access to knives for the general public.
The people who are blaming the gun instead of looking at treating mental illness are just lazy. No need for them to think critically because the media has made their decision for them. They just follow along like good servants and feel good about themselves for jumping on board.
fed-up...........It is the weapon of choice for people who are mentally ill to begin with, it gives them a power feeling and is an attempt to make up for other inadequacies. It cannot be used for hunting, is no good for target or sport shooting and has little value as a home defense weapon due to danger of killing more innocents than perps. Even the police do not use them in most situations as they are more likely to kill each other than the perps.
Just-fed-up stated, "Wow isnt it something how the AR-15 rifle has been the gun that has been used soooo many times in all theses murders that taken place that we have seen.What are the odds of that."
Did I miss something? I thought the only murder in the entire article was with a knife, followed up with dismembering with a power saw. Where was it mentioned that an AR-15 was used to commit a murder? The individual in question also had chased his wife around with a machete, and had stabbed a neighbor's dog with a pocket knife. It seems the weapon of choice is a knife (times three), not a rifle. So where's the outcry to ban knives? Oh, that's right - it's a campaign against guns. I forgot...
MM-
I own a National Match grade AR-15 and shoot it in Civilian Marksmanship Program competition. It is an incredibly accurate firearm. These, along with other semi-automatic rifles, such as the M1 Garand, are used regularly and safely all over the country in competitions by hundreds of thousands of people annually. Not everyone who owns a firearm uses it solely for protection. Or killing people. Or even killing animals. Shooting is an olympic sport, has been for ages. People need to get past the sensationalism and agenda of the main stream media and realize not everyone who owns or shoots an AR-15 (or any other firearm for that matter) has evil intentions.
This is a perfect example as to why mental health issues need to be SERIOUSLY addressed in our nation. If the police were called to the home numerous times do they not look into whether this man or anyone in the home has a gun registered in their names? Do we just let these events let them play themselves out then point to the gun as the issue? Granted, the guns could of not been registered but with all the circumstances surrounding this man's personal problems was a health care organization not involved?
Support Mental Health....or I'll kill you.
Yes.... the police just let them play themselves out. There is so many laws that protect these people in civil suits.
That the police have to be very careful not to get a lawsuit against the dept. by the wife. she never made any complaints against the crazy husband she did'nt even report him for murder. This was really an all in the family affair of inbreed relatives.
I think I would avoid the family reunion if I was related to these people.
I heard he was a heavy smoker.. they found butts behind his couch.
and hands, and feet....a head.....
Police: Hands in the air!
Moretz: Can you be more specific?
I would set up a video camera and watch from a distance!
@TFNJ you are so wrong for that, hilarious but still wrong! lol
This was Chad Moretz's idea of Facebook.
lol sorry had to say it.
RIP Chad Moretz. You will be missed.
MISSED?!?! Sounds like you need to be put in that Cheetos bag before you try something similar!!!!
The last time I posted in an article involving a death I was told I was too insensitive. So I thought I'd sound more positive and mainstream.
Chad Moretz is in heaven right now, getting his just reward. Before he walked out, he made peace with god and accepted jesus as his lord and personal savior! Prasie be!
Same thing happened to Joan of Arc.
I think if there was an article about a gun owner stubbing their toe the anti-gun media would undoubtedly go out of their way to point out that the gun owner also had an an AR-15 in the house at time they stubbed their toe. After all, we know how evil/cruel those AR-15s are & how they like to cause people any kind of misery they can, even if it's something as simple as causing someone to stub their toe.
They pick on the AR-15 because it's black. These newspeople are RACIST.
Just another example where police had ample evidence this guy was not thinking clearly, yet they let him out of jail, no therapy, didn't take his guns away.
When are the police going to deal with these issues. There seems to be enough evidence to have put a mental health hold on him, which is unlikely he would have passed to get back out. He should still be in prison.
Krj -
You should study how it works. Police don't let him loose. That's the magistrate/prosector/judiciary function.
The cops just round 'em up, shoot 'em when they need shooting - the cops did well here.
My dad always told me if I ever had a chance to get ahead, get one.
Glad he was able to give you a hand.
A fat, crazy, violent, gun-loving white man in the American south? I don't believe it!
There are just as many crazy, violent, gun-loving white southern American skinny people. Lets not stereotype.
Umm and Black,Hispanic,Asian,white,ect Gang Bangers,Thugs ect that kill everyday with guns,Are they on vacation or did I miss the stories ?Or maybe it's because they didn't use a AR15"Assault Gun" ? Only the stories that fit the Anti-Gun Lobby Agenda get reported...interesting....
LOL Europe has a very strict Gun Control.You cant even have one. But yet Europe has the highest Violence in the World with out guns..
Look at the bottom of the page, 4 out of 5 stories are gun related. I wonder what their agenda is.
it's the buffets
Uh, Paragus, lets see some documentation proving Europe has the highest rate of violence.
Wikipedia has a list showing intentional homicide rates by country and Western Europe's rate is far lower then the U.S.'s.
Well if Wikipedia said it...It must be True Lol
What weapon will be next that will be blamed for all the crimes that take place once they take away the AR-15 ? Its not the guns that kill people its the people who kill people.Maybe he was on meds with side affects or demon possessed.Maybe the goverment needs stricter control on meds that have side affects.
I love how the comments are centered around the gun in the story, when it appears, from what I read, that the victim was stabbed over 40 times and then carved up to better hide the body. Not sure where any gun shot wounds were discussed other than when SWAT sniped this psycho on his porch.
The focus should be why no one in the family who apparently knew everything didnt come forward. This is the exact type of criminal who gun control cant prevent getting a weapon. He would have found a way to get one illegally.