It’s chilly on the Capitol steps today, but that’s no problem for Mitt Romney.

David Goldman / AP, file
Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney on election night in Boston. He is spending inauguration day in La Jolla, Calif., according to an aide.
The former Republican presidential contender is spending Inauguration Day at his home in La Jolla, Calif., where it’s sunny with a forecasted high of 73 degrees.
An aide told NBC News that the former Massachusetts governor and his wife have "no big plans."
Asked if the governor was likely to watch the inaugural ceremonies today, the aide said, "Doubtful."
It’s not surprising that Romney is keeping himself far from the fanfare and tri-color bunting; he’s kept a low profile since losing the election in November.
Romney’s son Tagg told The Boston Globe in December that his father was never really all that into winning the nation’s highest office anyway.
“He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life,” Tagg told the newspaper. “He is a very private person who loves his family deeply and wants to be with them, but he has deep faith in God and he loves his country, but he doesn’t love the attention.”
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Mitt? Mitt Who?
Mitt is preceisely where he needs to be while the President of the United States is being sworn in for his second term: Nowhere near a Bible.
I for one am excited to have a president who wants to take away more rights in exchange for bigger government and more regulations. Not to mention spending us into inevitable calamity.
The future has never been so bleak.
Do you know that 50% of the Federal budget goes to interest on the national debt, Social Security, and Medicare (Soc Sec and Medicare are responsible for keeping most senior citizens from living in poverty). Almost half of the remaining 50% goes to military spending, the remainder goes to everything else (FDA, CDC, Education, HUD, EPA, etc, etc, etc) Yet the GOP refuses to reduce defense spending even though our country, which has approximately 5% of the World population, accounts for 41% of its defense spending. I'm not sure how anyone can say Democrats are more responsible for bigger goverment; don't they consider defense spending to be part of government spending?
Well said John. Boris, go back to Russia.
Boris, I totally agree on the spending thing, my question to you is where was your outrage when Dubya was doubling the debt and Reagan almost tripling it??
"Where's Mitt?"
Who cares?
Well said John & Boris....you can now go back to watching Fox News for your REGULARLY SCHEDULED PROGRAMMING.
Actually, government spending on defense is 24%, Healthcare 22%, pensions 22%, welfare 12%, and all the other garbage lumped into remainder 20%. The purpose of government is not to be the proverbial tit to which you suckle. The purpose is to provide a free country with security from foreign governments who would like to see us go.
I hope you are not so naive to believe the more we try to be like the rest of the world, the more peace there will be. We will still be hated because of our prosperity and love of freedom: the two things the rest of the world hates.
The rest of the world hates prosperity and freedom? Are you sure of that Boris? Or is that just a bunch of hyperbole? Can you prove that the REST OF THE WORLD hates prosperity and freedom? I don't think that you can. I think you're talking out your ass.
Willard will be answer to the following trivia question in 2022 that a majority of Americans will get wrong:
Who lost the 2012 Presidential election to Barack Obama?
Come to think of it, his name slips my mind, who was that loser anyways?
"He wanted to be president less than anyone I've met in my life," Tagg told the newspaper.
Gee, good thing he lost then. I don't think Americans would want our President to be too terribly inconvenienced with the burden of being the leader of the free world, would we? Boris, how would you feel having a guy in office who isn't very interested in being there?
Boris, you can forget prosperity. Your wages will never go up but your taxes will. Your Social security and your medicaid and medicare will disappear and the military industrial complex will devour more of this nations wealth as we all slip into poverty, and die in the gulags.
I'm surprised he isn't in the Caymans counting his money.
Southern California is about as far as you can possibly get from Washington D.C. in the lower 48.
The picture of Romney looks like he is forcing out a fart, really it does.
John, one of the reasons the US military budget is so high is because the US has a very high cost of living. The military budget of Russia is about 1/15 lower but their miltary power is not 15 weaker.
Where's mitt? Filling out his amended tax return for 2011. So he can get all his deductions counted.
So this election was based on "leveling the playing field". Does that now mean that the President, Vice President & all of Congress are now going to start paying "their fair share" of Social Security taxes? Does that mean that they too will retire on their 401K, SSI & any investments they have made? Does that mean they will have the same crappy medical we have to use? That goes for both sides, although only the liberals are "leveling the playing field" or so they would have everyone believe. Makes me laugh when people scream about voting them right out of office! UM CHUMPS, they do one full term and are set for life, you really think they care about getting voted out?
Like Al Gore?
"Mitt is preceisely where he needs to be while the President of the United States is being sworn in for his second term: Nowhere near a Bible." wow MSNBCMFE. To see someone.....anyone say such a comment just shows how ignorant YOU are. Obviously your moral compass is far far off. How about you take some time off AND grow up.
@Forkchops - Nah, Tagg's lying out of his ass. You don't spend ALL that money on a presidential campaign consisting of attacking Obama for being unfaithful to this country and to "god", hold a private dinner paid for by vulture funds stolen from honest working Americans, proceed to say said Americans are "victims" when you yourself made them that way (Bain's Vulture Prophit) and then have the balls to say "I never really wanted to do it anyways".
His actions betray his words - Mitt Romney is a sore loser, making Tagg redeem his public image by saying he never wanted it. It's a way for the Romneys to not make themselves look like thieving Mormon scoundrels (and I have yet to meet a Mormon who honestly didn't consider using me as a moneycrystal) and more like honest, hardworking Americans (they aren't - that house of his was bought by the money of PEOPLE WHO ENJOYED WORKING HARD-EFFORT GOOD PAYING JOBS!).
Y'know what would have made him redeem himself? If he actually bothered to watch the friggin inauguration. That, at the very least, would show me he has even an OUNCE of patriotism and make me forgive him - if only a little bit.
John Bayner sounds just like he thinks Romney looks, really he does.
Peter
Actually they are. How many aircraft carriers do we have? How many do they have? Same for their sub's.
Mitt ran the worst election campaign in recent history, he could not communicate with the American people, the Rove crowd with their demographic charts were all so far off base as to be laughable; name one thing that stuck in the mind of the people from the rambling talks made by Mitt; the democrats were playing hard ball, Mitts group was all tea and crumpets!
It must suck to be a loser. It must also suck to have voter for a loser, and it must really suck to have contributed to the campaign of a loser. The American people have spoken, not once, but TWICE. In 2008 and 2012 over 50% of the voters chose Barack Obama to be our President, something that has only happened three other times in the past 100 years. FDR, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and Ronald Reagan were the only other Presidents in the past century to win more than 50% of the popular vote twice in a row. He also won an overwhelming number of electoral votes in each election. For those of you who want to cry like babies and whine and complain because you didn't get your way, well, like I said, it must suck to be loser. You lost. We won. Now shut up and get over it.
I'm glad that so many of us were able to make his wish come true. I hope that he enjoys a pleasant life away from elected office.
Vince -
You probably well know how voting for a loser sucks. (Or did you vote for George W. Bush?)
Geez, the Romney supporters here, sure sound pathetic.
Now get your asses in gear and watch our great President Barack Hussein Obama get inaugurated for the second time.
Final Electoral vote count: OBAMA 332 ROMNEY 206
Obama won and Romney lost Nyaaa Nyaaa Nyaaa Nyaaa Nyaaa
Mitt? Hell he's down in Mexico avoiding polygamy charges.
Romney's son keeps telling us how much his father did not want to run for POTUS. Here's a simple question: THEN WHY DID HE RUN??? The GOP had plenty of other candidates, not good ones mind you, but there were others in the race. Apparently Romney's kids are just like him - liars through and through.
Pour Mitten Romney. I have to be honest, I am surprised he is still alive. His son Tag must be a fool telling everyone Mitt never wanted to be President now that he has lost. He has been running for 12 and didn't want to be president? Sounds like a bad looser. But He took lots of money from people that don't like to loose and they lost big. Not only the White house but they lost big time in the Senate and a hell of a lot of house seats too. Out of the 8 Senate sets the Rep's just knew they were going to buy, after all money they spent the only got 2 of they 8 there were told there money would buy. I look back just before the election when a big Rep. reporter said on Fox noise, that Romney had Coned the richest downers out of Millions and Millions. Romney kept saying they were going to win and all the time they knew they were losing. Everyone knew Romney was going to loose. Morning Joe said it about 4 days out that there was no way Romney could win, and he said they were going to loose senate seats and many House seats as well. And now we here after the fact that Mitt didn't want to be President anyway. Well these guys that spent a billion dollars on him and he didn't want to be president anyway. You don't do that to people like. Mitt will be another Jimmy Hoffa.
Quoting the article:
Yeah, it was probably that greatly reduced standard of living thing, which he couldn't get his brain around. Who needs that?
Four years as POTUS, living in a much smaller house (and only ONE house, to boot). Who needs that?
Fewer perks and servants (most of whom he couldn't even fire on a whim as he says likes to do, because they are civil servants). Who needs that?
And all of those foreign bank accounts which would have to be closed, and the tens of million$ repatriated to on-shore American bank accounts which actually report earnings to the IRS. Who needs that?
Yep, who needs any of that? And more important, Gov. Romney, who needs you?
Oh the poor, poor president. Has to be in bone-chilling weather while the evil Romney relaxes in the sun.
Our un-biased media !
Hey Vince, Mitt was not the loser, it was all you jackass's that voted for this man. He's here in Ca enjoying his beach house and living with all the Liberal @!$%#s, who are spending your hard earn money to take care of all the 47% welfare loosers here in Ca. Mitt is laughing all the way to his bank, because he did tell you @!$%#s that jeep was moving to China, and lets not forget the terrorists regrouping in Mali and all you screwed up Liberals laughed in his face. Mitt's the winner, its @!$%#s like you that now will keep paying for the rest of your life while his family keeps making money and enjoying life.
The most amazing thing is to see all of the jealousy of Mitt Romney due to his success and his character as a family man, etc. The Whites that voted for B.O. did so out of "White guilt" and nothing more. Now, don't start complaining when you discover that your job has been lost or your hours reduced bnecause the CEO will not pay for obamacare. It is already happening around the country and people are squaling like pigs in heat. The CEO of "WholeFoods" has stated on national TV that he will cut back employees hours to 30 hours so that they will not have to pay for obamacare. I wonder how many voted for B.O. thinking that they were going to get some "free stuff"? In life, nothing is free but from the Lord Himself...and it cost Him His son's life to redeem mankind. When B.O. is finished, the national debt will be over 20 trillion with the national deficit over 6 trillion.
Maybe Mitt wasn't all that excited to be Pres and maybe he was. IDK!! BUT, he would have no doubt taken the reigns and the responsibility of running the country without BLAMING BUSH every two minutes. We had a chance for a great Pres and we BLEW IT. Thanks deadbeats, illegals and pointy headed liberals along with those who couldn't get off their ass to vote!!! This is what happens when over half the voters become complacent and don't think someone who did such a lousy job could possibly get reelected. Now we are stuck with this IDIOT for 4 yrs.
Hey Mr. President. Now that you won, are you going to fix the economy? All these people here keep telling me that you are incredible! That we are sooo lucky to have you.
But last time you won, 4 years ago, you said you would work constantly to fix the mess that we were in. That you had the knowledge and the personnel to fix the problem. That you would work with both sides of the aisle to get everyone working again. But that never happened...
So this time it will be different, right? Cool.
Mitt's failure to attend is an insult to the American electoral process and a slap to the face of all Americans. Mitt Romney is a self centered coward. He isn't there because he hasn't the class to show up and affirm that Americans stand in solidarity; that our elections are legal, orderly and reflect the will of the people.
Clearly, there are many who do not stand in solidarity with their fellow countrymen. As evidenced by the hate filled posts it is clear that some doubt the value of our Republic and the process through which Americans elect their representatives. Give it a little time and all these lovers and defenders of the second amendment will be questioning the value of a "one man one vote" democracy.
10. Nate Silver’s stupid predictions based on stupid “math”
9. Donald Trump and Birtherism (No, they’re not laughing with you…)
8. Sandra Fluke and her damn birth control pills (She riled up the slut vote!)
7. Rick Perry’s terrible memory (You couldn’t remember THREE agencies?!)
6. Karl Rove and Fox News (You said we would win in a landslide, you lying pricks!)
5. Non-rigged elections (WTF?! We passed those Voter ID laws for a reason!)
4. Rachel Maddow and her stupid facts (Freaking lesbian know-it-all…)
3. Minorities (Who the hell let them vote?!)
2. Republicans that won’t STFU about rape (I don’t CARE if it’s legitimate or not! Stop talking about it!)
And the number one thing that Republicans hate even more than President Obama’s second inauguration?
1. Mitt Romney
Vikie
You better hope amd pray that god takes pitty on fools and drunkards isn't just a saying
Jared Jenkins wrote:
Well, that's interesting. I'll check that out. If it proves to be true, I'll stop giving Whole Foods MY business. That's not the sort of American Business ethic which I will support with MY American dollars.
Businesses who punish their own employees in response to our country merely asking of them that they do the right thing, do not deserve ANY of our business, or ANY of our American dollars. Avarice is not the American way.
riiiiiight because everyone who voted for obama is poor? Wrong. He's a loser. He lost the biggest competition in America by a landslide to a president who had a less than stellar first term. The losers are the people that buy into lies like the 47% (why don't you look up exactly who makes up that percentage? or do you enjoy disparraging military vets, disabled, elderly, and children??). Jeep also announced that they are never moving to china....and even when that public annoucement was made (that they aren't moving) to the dismay of mitt....he still couldn't admit to his lies. Absolute losers. Having money and living near a beach doesn't make someone a winner but comments like yours really cement the fact that you're BOTH losers.
Mitt, like most knowledgeable Americans, is ignoring this dark moment in American History!
Poor Tagg. He's still bummed out because he never got a chance to take a swing at the President.
Charlie............I'm with ya except for #1. I don't think most Repubs hate Mitt. McCain maybe but not Mitt.
Mitt the one who has the last laugh on thee, all of you wannabe's. dont you know that obama call him regualarly for advice on what to do since him and the drunk uncle dont have a clue. they also call GWB for adice on what to see. who is laughing now you liberal nimsch. if you dont know what nimsch means look it up you over educated wannabe's that dont what it means to actually fend for your self off on daddy and mommy you see.
I lost hope for America when BO got re elected. I plan to work and pay MORE taxes, but otherwise I am embarrassed by lack of scruples and just won't watch political news reports.
Ahh... Here come the RepubliCON sore losers. Perhaps they need some Mittens to prevent the Greased Palm burns they are suffering...
What should have infuriated Patriotic Americans was over a dozen Congresscritters publicly announcing that they intended to willfully destroy the economy in an all-out effort to obstruct the President of the United States. Why, if someone had tried that when Mad King Georgie was in office, they'd have accused them of treason. Just like they did Natalie Mains.
Remember her? She's the one that was "embarrassed to be from the same state as the president" and she was accused of treason and threatened with having her citizenship revoked, among other vicious partisan attacks. She was embarrassed, they tried to destroy the nation. Something doesn't add up here.
The mere fact that the Greed Only Party has the nerve to stand up and willfully destroy the nation because they oppose anyone in office is treasonous. And look at what President Obama has accomplished in the face of that opposition:
Obama's Record in the face of the biggest GOP Obstructionism in history:
Dow Jones Industrial Average
Then: 7,949.09 (close as of Jan. 20, 2009)
Now: 13,534.89 (close as of Jan. 15, 2013)
Gross Domestic Product
Then: -5.3% (1st quarter of 2009)
Now: +3.1% (3rd quarter of 2012)
Consumer Confidence (1985=100)
Then: 37.4 (Jan. 2009)
Now: 65.1 (Dec. 2012)
Americans who believe the country is headed in the right direction
Then: 26% of adults (Jan. 2009 NBC/WSJ poll)
Now: 41% of adults (Dec. 2012 NBC/WSJ poll)
Americans without health insurance
Then: 49.0 million (Census data for 2009)
Now: 48.6 million (Census data for 2011)
Federal spending as a percentage of GDP
Then: 25.2% (FY 2009)
Now: 24.3% (FY 2012 projected)
Median sales price of new homes
Then: $208,600 (Jan. 2009)
Now: $246,200 (Nov. 2012)
Number of U.S. troops in Iraq
Then: 139,500 (Jan. 2009)
Now: 200 (Jan. 2013)
Number of U.S. troops in Afghanistan
Then: 34,400 (Jan. 2009)
Now: 66,000 (Jan. 2013)
Want to talk about spending?
Okay, let's go over to Forbes Magzine:
http://tinyurl.com/c6b2acy
Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Forbes is reporting that President Obama has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.
How is it possible that the RepubliCONs have managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?
It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.
The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.
Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on President Obama began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account.
The three biggest spenders since Eisenhower have been Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II. All RepubliCONs.
And the American people are stupid enough to fall for the propaganda of the Greed Only Party.
If you don't like President Obama, move to another country. Delta is ready when you are. I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year.
The 47% are out in force today, it is better to ignore them then to respond. especially since their mommy and daddy hired a couple of mexicans to do their work for them since their children are absolutely useless just like their president wannabe. Besides Michelle told him to make sure he sticks to the whiteys.
Really? I wonder who twisted his arm and forced him to run?
Romney was the ONLY Republican candidate who was registered in all 50 states, and this wasn't his first time running for POTUS. It seems to me like Romney wanted to win, because if Romney didn't want to win and was faking it, he could probably find a lucrative career in "acting".
Who?
You are right John Q..... "it is better to ignore them then to respond" especially when you repugs can't argue using facts it's better to remain silent.
Whole foods is dead in my book. Actually I seriously doubt any inteligent CEO would make a decision based on political ideology. If his company balance sheet is higher after the ACT and people are buying his products he will add people. Marginal revenue is 100% more important than some minor cost. But yeah go ahead and pay your 5 minute doctor visit of $1500 without insurance then off to the MRI at $5000 to check that sore shoulder. If you have somethng to offer for health costs just let us know, oh, you don't do you.
TO: John Q Public-6353273 who wrote:
Right, I can only hope that Republicans continue to ignore the American People, so that they will be sure to be kicked out of office come 2014 mid term elections.
I find your comment that "children are absolutely useless" to be absolutely crazy, especially in light of the fact that we are constantly fighting off Republicans who are insist on trying to reverse Roe v. Wade, in order to abolish abortion, and have more government rule over the womb than a woman has herself.
Mitt Romney once again shows that he was a posing fool. Doubtful he watches? What a douche bag.
I'm 52 years old and have NEVER missed a single Inaugruration Day. Making me a proud American and Mitt Romney a poor loser.
Four More Years Day 1
Mitt wanted to be President all right. You don't spend that much time and that much money on something you don't want. He wanted to be President, but he didn't want to do the work it takes to get there or the work it takes once you have that job. Mitt likes to get his money without having to work very hard for it.
Poor Ol' Mitt...he's probably at home counting all of his money and wives!
Wow...First I read someone posting about how Boris could go back to Russia. Then how stupid and evil Romney is and so much be everyone who voted for him. Who cares who just got sworn in, if you want to know what is wrong with this country simply read the comments. This is how you talk to strangers? Martin Luther King Jr would be supportive of your rhetoric in telling someone to go back to Russia because his first name is listed on here as Boris?
I don't affiliate with either party and consider myself to be a patriot. My profession demands that I love and not judge people. Regardless of who is leading us we can heal this country from the inside out, but first it must start with the indecent way we regard and speak to each other or on here...strangers.
I am just in complete awe. Do you really think Obama would feel good about you supporting him while typing obscenities and horrible judgements at people? I know I wouldn't want to be represented or celebrated this way. Romney isn't the evil one here...now is he?
I know where Willard is! I hear him every night scurrying in the space behind my walls looking to steal another piece of cheese from Americas middle class!!!!!
I do not blame Romney for not watching the inauguration. What's there to watch? I never watch those things. They are boring and full of lying politicians. There are other things I'd much rather do than watch a presidential inauguration. I did not watch Pres. Bush's, nor did I watch Pres. Clinton's. I do not get excited over politicians. They are just people supposedly doing their jobs, and their jobs are taking care of this country and its people to the best of their ability. I do not envy them. It's got to be tough.
@ Human-, post 1.9
China, along with the rest of the countries that take human rights away from their citizens like taking candy away from children. None of these countries want their citizens to be like American's if they did there would be free speech and internet access without restrictions on what they can do or say. Your an idiot if you don't know Governments around the world would like nothing better than to wipe us off the face of the earth along with Israel but don't have the balls to say so because we spend so much money on our military technology. Our problem isn't the military its companies that see someone that is suffering some sort of ailment and wants to get rich off of it. A prime example was today when going to the drug store for medicine my wife and I am sick but I have Medicare and she has her company provided insurance for drugs. We both have strep throat and the doctor put us both on the same medicine but because I have Medicare my medicine was $134.98 without insurance and hers was $56. We went to separate windows to pick them up and both of us asked the same question: How much if we pay cash? When I confronted them about it the pharmacist tried to tell me it was because of different doses but when we got home the bottle said the same amount 40 mg. Where is the justice or why are the pharmacies and insurance companies ripping off Medicare? We are over spending only because we are being robbed!
Cameron! Post #1..that is EXACTLY what I was going to post. :)
Gee, a couple of NBC writers couldn't be content with simply enjoying the Emperor's inauguration today; no, they just had to write a snarky little attempt to rub Romney's nose in his loss. Guess what guys, Romney has too much class to react, even if he happened to read this piece of sh*t, which he won't. Really classy, NBC, really classy....but then again, about what we'd expect from liberal sissies.
Bishop Willard spent $45 million of HIS OWN money over the past 10 years in pursuit of one goal...
and now they family of habitual LIARS tells the public that Mitt never REALL wanted to President anyway ?
Perhaps, if his goal was to be the CONDUIT that turned America over to the Corporations !
This generation of the Romney family has done to their name that which GWBush did to this country in the same amount of time .
IF the GOP has proven just ONE THING in the past 12 years it is that they can drive a train into a wall while in total denial of their actions better than any other group in politics .
It was great of Tagg to be man enough to tell us the truth... his Daddy is a LIAR & a SLACKER and
NOT presidential material....
but the majority of voters in this country already knew it Tagg .
What a useless, loser, worst than those on the blog taking up for him. It is doubful he would watch the Presidential inauguration.
Amazing the amount of people who actually wanted this man to be President, mostly the 47% he didn't care about. LOL!!! What fools.....
So, CrimsonCujo, everyone who didn't watch the inauguration is unpatrotic? Actually, just the opposite is true. The non watchers couldn't stand to see this once great country (ubtil 4 years ago and counting) continue to go down the great shi77er. Listening to all the lies, altered facts, arrogant demands of Obama ir REALLY the unpatriotic thing to do. Thomas Jefferson ws rolling over in his graave listening to Obama's bull. He couldn't ever get the Oath of Office correct for a second time. He certainly deserves the moniker Flubama! And heh, remember this post isn't about George Bush, John Boener, the debt limit and any of the other diversions you libs like to throw out.
(I know I'm not Boris, but just had to weigh in)
Just about as excited as I'd be to see the current commander in thief take an oath to Preserve, Protect and Defend the Constitution and then promptly forget about it. Either way, we get the same level of leadership.
Mitt Romney was a sell-out. If he didn't want the job, then why in the name of god and all that is holy did he run? (Well, actually he didn't really run - I mean, it's not as if he ever heard the starter pistol)
Romney was about as relevent to the last election as the Constitution is to the current office holder.
Restored a lot of comments - not this one:
Vicki Brown, stop doing this. You're suspended for a week for violating #1 of the Code of Honor.
Why did Obama win?
Obama increased the number of people dependent on the government for assistance (the number of people getting food stamps, free health care and/or cash aid increased from about 30 million in 2008 to about 47 million in 2012). That's an increase of about 17 million getting 'free' assistance from the government, at a cost to the taxpayers of more than $100 BILLION.
Obama's campaign then implied that “If Romney is elected, he will take away your food stamps”.
Obama won this group by about 11 million votes, while Romney won the group that pays the income taxes to fund the welfare by about 6 million votes – Net win for Obama by about 5 million votes.
Simple, but effective.
According to Exit Polls from the election, there were about 50.8 Million (41% of total) voters in the income group averaging under $30,000 per year (Welfare eligible), and 30.9 Million of them voted for Obama, vs only 19.9 Million for Romney – that's a net gain for Obama of 11 million votes, and Obama won overall by less than 5 million votes. Of course, a substantial number of people in that income group were seniors who actually voted heavily for Romney but do not get 'welfare', so the percentage of ACTUAL welfare recipients that voted for Obama to keep getting their 'free' welfare benefits was much higher - perhaps as much as 90%.
That's 'Chicago-Style' politics in action - using taxpayer funds to finance their reelection.
I for one am excited to have a president who wants to take away more rights in exchange for bigger government and more regulations.
The future has never been so bleak.
...said Mr. Badenoff.
America is on the way back. We have survived Bush/Cheney and we WILL survive the likes of you.
How long can you keep blaming someone. He's been out for 4 years. That is a long time to still be playing that game. At some point, you have to take responsibility, something else the democrats loathe: personal responsibility. Lets put all our faith into the government because they can solve all our problems. wake up.
its george washingtons fault.
What I've seen since the Obama Administration took office is improvement. It may not be as rapid as everyone would like, but it has been steady, and it has been improvement. Personally, I prefer gradual steady growth, to peaks and valleys. It's much less volatile. Once these wars are ended, it will much more feasable to move closer to balancing the budget.
dee2dee boris
Boris try boning up on some history.
The last meltdown of this magnitude lasted a whole decade.
For as long as it's still true.
Make no mistake, Bush destroyed the country so badly that we are still feeling the impact of what he did. It will take more than 4 years to dig us out of the Bush ditch (and probably more than 8, too). Now, that said, we have been steadily improving over the course of the last four years -- slowly, yes, but certainly progressing.
You can't fault Obama for not cleaning up your mess fast enough. If it was so easy to fix, why didn't Bush take care of it himself before he left office? Why did every Republican candidate in 2008 and 2012 want to return to the same Bush policies that caused the mess in the first place? At least Obama's policies are taking us in the right direction.
Hey Boris,
Where were you when your boys Bush & Chaney were doing exactly what you're accusing Obama of doing, huh? Pull your hesd out of your butt, you moron, those two destroyed this country's economy and reputation. Under Obama's leadership, the economy and the markets ARE better, and what did your party do to help? Nothing but obstruction... Go back to your cave and shut up.
Fuggetabouit
"The last meltdown of this magnitude lasted a whole decade."
What? did someone still keeping blaming a president? No. And if you read your history books, it is widely held that had the government not taken so many drastic steps, the recovery would have been faster.
Similar to today, in spite of Obama's attack on small business and free enterprise, we still muster a little growth.
There is no attack on small business. Under Obama there are more incentives and tax breaks for small businesses, and fewer restrictions, than ever.
That's if we're talking about actual small business, however. Not the Republican definition of "small business" which includes the likes of Donald Trump and billion dollar corporate farms.
Try turning off the Fox "News" pundits and learn some actual information once in a while.
Yeah unlike bush the chickenhawk who ran two wars on the chinese credit card while giving seniors near free viagra and rich people like mitt tax cuts during a time of war...not to mention the 900 days he spend being the crawford texas village idiot...
Boris should review the past four years and note how many small business initiatives have been blocked by the Republicans in Congress. Boris is, and I fear always will be, completely biased and willfully ignorant.
What Boris believes is "widely held" is exactly the opposite of the general opinion among economists, conservative and progressive, who believed that the stimulus was too small for the magnitude of the recession that was faced ....... thus the slow recovery.
Boris, that is a flat out lie. The economists said of the depression in the 1930's if the government HADN'T taken all of those drastic steps things would have been much WORSE for MUCH LONGER. The only people claiming anything else are the tin foil hat wearers.
More utter BS about Obama attacks on business and free enterprise. It is REPUBLICANS than want to limit the availability of loans to small businesses backed by the government while the democrats are for it. Republicans hurt small business at every chance they get in favor of BIG CORPORATIONS that stamp out the small business owner. If it weren't for republicans screwing up the country and being scared to death to give Obama any kind of victory by voting against American all the time we would be in far better shape. If Americans want this country to succeed and do so quickly VOTE OUT OBSTRUCTIONIST REPUBLICANS.
Hell, the Stock Market is doing better in 4 years under Obama than it did in 8 under Bush and that is despite the Republicans trying to ruin this country every step up the way with their obstructionism!!!
For those of you who are bashing on Boris, well you have the right to do that. I am, on the other hand, on Boris' side. You can all blame Bush and Cheney, but that only lasts so long. In fact, it's been used too many times by too many people for way too long. Doesn't everyone understand that what Bush was put in was something this country hadn't seen for approximately 60 years?? And the times have changed, people have changed, technology has changed. The country was bound to get better. But let me ask you all this......how does it make you feel that our Department of Defense is getting weaker (due to defense cuts) and our rival super powers are doing nothing but strengthening their military. I love my country deeply and will defend it with my life, but we are no longer the supreme super power. We have other countries that rival ours. There's nothing more pathetic than a President who has spent more money than any other President in the past. The National debt is ridiculous, but hey.....according to Obama, we need to spend more in order to get our economy out of the state it's in. Our president has also used Executive Privilege on matters where American lives were lost (Fast and Furious) and our President has used more Executive Orders than any other President in the past. He is also the least transparent President to date. You can all say what you want, but it's not just Republicans to blame.....it's everyone.
Just to set you straight. The president CAN'T spend any money. Money is spent by Congress!!
Actually Boris, you are the one doing all the blaming. Take personal responsibility. I, for one, have done very well over this past 4-years - better than at any other time in my life. Bought a new house, a new car, got a raise, got 2 bonuses.
But you all just keep claiming the country is going down the tubes because you won't step up and work.
More lies and mistruths there redman. Our military is WANTING CUTS and has PLEADED for them but congress refuses to make the cuts because influential COMPANIES that suck off the government teat in some states don't want the cuts. We need those defense cuts and badly if only congress had the balls to stand up to the companies that own them and make the cuts.
Also, why aren't you screaming for the head of Bush over Fast and Furious. It was started and AUTHORIZED by the Bush Administration!!! Another fact republicans like to omit.
Executive Order Count
If Obama keeps the same rate by the end of his second term he will have 288 orders. So stop spreading the falsehoods and lies.
George W. Bush
291
Barack Obama
144
"How long can you keep blaming someone. He's been out for 4 years."
Well Boris -- it's like this. You Republicans have a very short memory. From 1976 to 1992 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Carter of everything wrong in the entire universe. Then from 1992 to 2008 you whined and cried, moan and groaned and complained and complained more and bitched, carried on and on and blamed President Clinton for everything that was wrong in the entire universe. So – using the standard you set – the left has another 29 years to blame Bush for everything just to pull even with you.
Redman, You are a partisan dimwit! The USA is the premier world power when it comes to our military, we spend more than the next 25 nations combined on our military every year! With corporations like Halliburton reaping ever greater profits from the U.S. taxpayers you might think the GOP would be satisfied. You would be wrong! They military budget is just to easy to raid and steal from, and that's the GOP way!
And Jeep isn't moving anything to China right? Guess Romney was right after all. Keep on licking those boots sheep.
Now get mad and cry us a river liberals. Oh, by the way, how was that first paycheck of 2013? hahahahha, you get exactly what you voted for!
I see that the 'miss informed' and 'low information' group were out in force today in DC. Pity their surprise when they learn Barry won't do anything more than what he did in his first term. That would be taking expensive vacations and golf once or twice a week like he did the first term....!
Charlie, the BIG difference was that Reagan didn't do the whining and moaning. He took responsibility on DAY ONE, didn't blame "the previous administration," and just did what it took to turn the country around.
All Obama does is shirk and blame. Shirk responsibility, blame Bush. He needs to Man-up, grow a pair, stop blaming Bush and Congress for everything.
Obama had a democrat house and senate for 2 years. The past 2 years, all he does is blame the House. Reagan worked with a democrat Congress and Clinton worked with a republican Congress. It is up the the President to LEAD. Obama doesn't know how to lead, so he just shirks and blames!
from Sandy
"Also, why aren't you screaming for the head of Bush over Fast and Furious. It was started and AUTHORIZED by the Bush Administration!!!"
hahaha...you talking out mis-truths and lies is about comical, you do know that that statement is as untrue as anything Obonehead says , and lose the rubber "gimp" suit in your avatar , it's just plain nasty
"He didn't really want to be pres anyway......"
.....yep, typical GOP loser. Isn't it funny that after spending MILLIONS of dollars, being slapped down repeatedly for being a dumb-a$$ and then losing the race, they now come out with the unbelievably stupid line that "he really didn't want to be pres anyway!" ....yep, we believe that! It's just amazing the things that LIARS/LOSERS say after they've lost! Right, he didn't want to win, he just wanted to spend a butt load of money for grins.
Kelly:
You noticed that also. Yes it is typical, and a frigging joke. He wanted it, don't doubt it one bit. Now that he is like McCain, got beat by Obama, who they despise because he is not an old white man, they will say anything. Just a plain LOSER.
That's a bit of a slap in the face to all the people who put time and effort into his campaign. I didn't support the man, but if I had, I'd be feeling a bit ticked off right around now.
Sure glad the fool didn't win.
I can speak for my grandfather that served our country in Congress and the Senate. He only ran for office back in the day because he was petitioned to run. He felt that public service was a duty of those that were asked. He ran he won. He never took a salary while in public office.
Maybe Mitt followed the same path. I do not know I was not in the room when he made his decision just like none of you. Furthermore, I do not put any stock in what his son says about his dad or how he said it. It may not be a the actual quote since most media outlets rephrase everything to fit their story.
I find it funny that Mitt never stopped Stealing other peoples money.
It's usually the failures in life who think the wealthy must have stole their money.
Who?
It only took him 6+ years of running to realize he didn't want the job after all. Nice work.
If he didn't want it, then why in the hell did he run. I simply do not believe it.
Romney is a man that could have done great things for this country. Balancing the budget would be one of them and reducing the national debt would be another one. Instead, we have four more years of a very incompetent president that is out of control with his spending, driving up the debt more than all presidents before him combined. This country is quickly headed towards bankruptcy and its Obama's goal to destroy it and establish socialism. He is succeeding. Its sad.
Obama was elected by people that, most of which, couldn't find their ass with either hand, and our children and grandchildren are going to pay the price for it in the future.
Romney started and ended the same way. A loser
If it isn't obvious to you yet, neither has Obama.
It's to bad you sheople just can't understand what the media is reporting and WHY. Why are they even bothering with bantering Mitt? WTF? Is there a need for this, or do they realize that you sheople are so easily deceived by ANYTHING they report? This is how they swayed the public to vote for "DICTATORSHIP". The sheople are soooo easily deceived here in America any more. They are in no way capable of thinking for themselves, they have to rely on others to do it for them.
Willard is still working diligently with the the American Taliban(gop/teabags) on their obsessive wish to decrease the surface population...............
He obviously had better things to do than watch the party of spend, spend, spend!
Do you even know the definition of socialism? If you did you would realize that many of the things we take for granted in this country are socialistic, such as public money for roads, Social Security, schools, police, and the list goes on. In a truly capitalistic state, people would starve to death because there would be NO social programs or public services. Please go study up on the subject before you make statements that are completely inaccurate.
TODAY
IS NOT ABOUT
Romney.
...so let's not worry, or speculate about what he's doing.
Romney's days of SERVICE should be ahead of him.
He spent nothing compared to what the American people have spent to keep him out of office. Let's not forget those that are still paying for jobs he has shipped overseas and continues to destroy even now! I worked in Construction in Laguna Beach where his new home is being built and because of the type of work I did there is a good chance I may have been asked to do some work in it. Nothing would make me sicker than knowing he's such a loser and would rather say you're fired than pay someone their due. I truly hope someday his car elevator fails and his cars and home end up below on the beach in pieces. That will be the first and last day I will toast his name. I'm so happy he crawled back in his little hole. A bunch of cowards if you ask me!
Recent research polling has indicated that 103% of Americans were more inclined to wonder where the fictional character Waldo was, even though a mere 3.2% stated that they were curious enough to actually look for Waldo even when presented with one of those pictures..
I'm so glad to have him break up with me, even if it had to be done through his son Trigger. He just wasn't that into me I guess...
Why not just go to Sweden..where all his bank accounts are...
Haditwith,
If you think Obama is operating a dictatorship I suggest you go live in Iran, Pakistan, Syria, or any other real dictatorship before you are allowed to make that assertion again.
The only reason he wanted the office of President was to preserve the freedoms of America. He did not want the attention. Doesn't that make sense?
And for the love... don't let all of your thoughts come from Media, you infer that you are smart... so think.
Interesting how GOP'ers tend to fade off into oblivion once they're exposed for who they.
Cheney and the little bush completely disappear, mired in the shame of having been exposed as war criminals. Romney disappears having been exposed as the money grubbing corporate raider he is.
The last GOP'er to stand the test of time was Dwight Eisenhower, an honorable man and fine President. Other than in the heart and mind of Colin Powell, the Eisenhower Republicans are a thing of the past.
Romney wanted the freedom without paying the taxes like the rest of us. Hence he hid his wealth in the Cayman islands. Offshored and destroyed jobs. Next time run in the Caymans. He is a sore loser but thank the lord he lost.
It makes sense under either of the following conditions:
1. You're being sarcastic.
2. You're breaking in your new lounge act.
Otherwise, no, it doesn't make sense that a guy not interested in the attention would spend tens of millions of his own money and ten years of his life in pursuit of that goal.
@ alan3008:
You write:
I demand that explain, with valid, cited sources exactly HOW President Obama is "incompetent" when he has succeeded in the face of the biggest RepubliCON obstruction in US History. McConnel and his cronies, more than a dozen of them publicly announced their intention to wreck the economy and destroy the country because they did not like the President. How, you ask? Oh, ye of short memory: "It is our sole agenda to make Barack Obama a one-term president". What about it should be their agenda to strengthen the US after 8 years of Mad King Georgie tanking the US Economy? This is one fact that no one on the planet can get around: $236.2 Billion dollar Budget Surplus in 2001. The last year Clinton budgets were in effect. The deficit was -$1,414 Billion dollars in 2009. The last year Dubya Shrub's budgets were in effect. (Source: The US Congressional Budget Office via Factcheck.org) Mad King Georgie spent more than any other president in history. (Source: Forbes)
I also point out that the "stimulus package" that you're trying to pin on President Obama, was actually passed under, and part of the budget of, wait for it... Bush43. (Source: Factcheck.org, and Forbes) So here you are, incompetently trying to falsely label the President of the United States as incompetent, when your facts are clearly wrong! Oh, the irony!
The claim that this country is "headed for bankruptcy" is also specious at best, and an outright lie at worst. Again, from Forbes:
Dow Jones Industrial Average
Then: 7,949.09 (close as of Jan. 20, 2009)
Now: 13,534.89 (close as of Jan. 15, 2013)
Gross Domestic Product
Then: -5.3% (1st quarter of 2009)
Now: +3.1% (3rd quarter of 2012)
Consumer Confidence (1985=100)
Then: 37.4 (Jan. 2009)
Now: 65.1 (Dec. 2012)
How can all of those economic indicators be up so much, if we're headed for bankruptcy? If we are, then we had damn well better start taxing all those multi-billionaires so they can pay it off. The Middle Class surely can't afford it, since Shrub, his mini-me Rove, and the Greed Only Party have been hell-bent on destroying them.
You continue to spout off RepubliCON lies as if they were facts, and you need to realize that there are those of us out here who have facts upon verifiable facts that you're lying through your teeth.
You think Democrats are Socialists? You don't have a clue what Socialism really is. Democracy and Socialism are not remotely the same thing. Did you get that? They are two different things. The GOP is the party that took your Constitutional rights away with the Patriot Act, and forced everyone to go along in lockstep under the false label of patriotism. They made you WANT to give up your rights when they told you it was Un-American to not want the Government have that much power. How can you RepubliCONS claim to love America, when you clearly hate the average American?
The Teabaggers and RepubliCONS want you to blindly believe that "Socialism" equates to what the former Soviet Union used to be. They don't want you to question them. Anyone with any knowledge at all of history and political science knows that the former USSR wasn't a Socialist country. They were a centrally-controlled dictatorship. They weren't Socialists. And everyone knew it. Except the Greed Only Party. Those RepubliCONS don't know what Socialism is, except that it sounds like the old USSR, so they just use that label to scare people. And people of lesser intelligence, those who cannot think for themselves, or those who have not enough life experience are the first ones to fall for it.
Just so you know what we’re talking about, here is the definition of Socialism, along with some examples that should be simple enough that the right-wing nutjob zealots can understand them.
Socialism: [so-shull-izm], 1. An economic theory or system in which the means of production, distribution, and exchange are owned by the community collectively. It is characterized by production for use rather than profit, and by equality of individual wealth rather than an unequal distribution of wealth with a small percentage of individuals controlling almost all of the money supply. 2. Any of various social or political theories or movements in which the common well-being is to be achieved through the establishment of an economic system where the financial security and benefit of fellow citizens is placed ahead of the accumulation of individual wealth.
Socialist: The government owning and operating all petroleum industry, distribution, and retail.
Not Socialist: The government mandating that health care be provided and available to all citizens, regardless of income, employment, or pre-existing conditions.
Socialist: The government owning and operating all communications systems, including equipment retail, and service provision.
Not Socialist: The government mandating that all college students have low-interest, available, and affordable loans to attend institutions of higher-education.
In other words, when the government requires fairness, it is not, repeat NOT Socialism. When the government owns and operates completely, without competition, it is Socialism. Why can’t you republiCONs get that? Why don’t you stop twisting the meanings of words to suit your agenda of making the wealthy even more wealthy at the expense of the average American? How can you claim to love America, when you clearly hate the average American?
What is your agenda? Why do you hate Americans so much?
If you don't like the President, then move out of the country. Delta is ready when you are. I hear Afghanistan is nice this time of year. Otherwise, shut up. We're tired of the Greed Only Party lies and propaganda.
I didn't really want hair either, I decided at about thirty that hair was just too much trouble. And this extra 15 lbs I'm carrying around, now I really wanted that!
“'He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life,' Tagg told the newspaper."
Excellent! My wife and I were quite happy to help Citizen Romney's wishes be fulfilled in that regard.
So this article's point is what? How does what Romney is doing today have anything to do with today? It's MLK day. It's inauguration day. What does Romney have to do with either of these things? This article is entirely something to give Libs something to get fiesty about. It's not journalism. It's pathetic pandering.
Why Romney Lost
this just in from a well respected news source (besides Fox, of course). Looks like Myth needed to lie to us all at least one more time... he wasn't at home at all:
http://www.theonion.com/articles/romney-makes-desperate-lastditch-bid-for-presidenc,30975/
And all Obama wants is the attention...not to accomplish ANYTHING1
Sounds like sour grapes resentment to me...
You all crack me going on and on about Romney. The man has disappeared into private life and yet all of you are commenting nastily about him, his family , his success as a businessman. You are all very, very sad. You all claim forward or move on to be your philosophy, so why don't you?
All this Romney bashing going on yet not a single liberal sheep has yet to mention a few important facts.
1. Nobama has yet to produce a budget plan.
2. Jeep is moving at least part of its operation to China
3. Nobama vastly increased our national debt (yes, even more than Bush)
4. Let's talk about "Fast & Furious"
Any sheep care to comment on any of those points or just run and hide?
Romney will do just fine. The huge windfall election profit from his 900 radio stations at Clear Channel will allow him to build a second car elevator in his La Jolla house.
Nobama has yet to produce a budget plan.
Yes he has
2. Jeep is moving at least part of its operation to China
They're not moving anything. they are going to start producing Jeeps in China. The production in the US stays the same or is increasing
3. Nobama vastly increased our national debt (yes, even more than Bush)
Presidents don't spend money, congress spends money
4. Let's talk about "Fast & Furious"
Fine -- let's talk about that Bush program. But in case you haven't noticed, the Republicans in the House already gave up on that one.
I find the photo of Romney intriguing and wonder what was on his mind when the photo was taken.
- I told you so but you didn’t listen
- Now you can see what you missed out on
- I know what’s coming, get ready for a fast ride down the slippery alley
- Things could have been very different had I stood my ground and had ripped into him
- Just as well, maybe I am too shy to withstand all the abuse and rigors of the office
- I tried but, my best wasn’t good enough
I guess we will never know, he tried and he failed. One thing however will never change, he is a proud American.
A better question by the Progressive media would be:
"Where was Oprah and the Kennedy family during the inaguration ?"
Mr. Romney being a "PROUD AMERICAN" is a heck of a lot better than being President and Anti-American.
Whatever did happen to Romney, Ryan, Rove, Cantor, Norquist, the Koch brothers - they all disappeared faster than investment capital.
What about someone that 'really isn't interested' in the inauguration of our President? Especially one that aspired to be the President? Not what I would consider even token respect or patriotism.
I'm of the mind that for Mr. Romney, this country isn't a state of mind or a source of pride, it's no more than a gold mine to be shagged for all it's worth.
lulu: We will as soon as the stonewall of the House grows up and moves aside.
Okay, speculation-uninformed, you wrote:
His name is Obama, you treasonous moron. If it was worthy of the threat of having her citizenship revoked for Natalie Mains to say she was "embarrassed to be from the same state as the president" (without even naming him) then it is worthy of you being deported and having your citizenship revoked for being disrespectful of President Obama.
The Constitution (something you ought to read) requires that a president submit a budget. President Obama has submitted four of them. It is CONGRESS (led by your Right-Wing Nut Job RepbliCONS who have blocked it.
Try again.
False again. Jeep is going to begin production of ONE model, and is increasing it's US production.
Yet again, false. In the words of another treasonous piece of slime "You lie!"
Amidst all the cries of Barack Obama being the most prolific big government spender the nation has ever suffered, Forbes Marketwatch is reporting that President Obama has actually been tighter with a buck than any United States president since Dwight D. Eisenhower.
How is it possible that the RepubliCONs have managed to persuade Americans to buy into the whole “Obama as big spender” narrative?
It might have something to do with the first year of the Obama presidency where the federal budget increased a whopping 17.9% —going from $2.98 trillion to $3.52 trillion. I’ll bet you think that this is the result of the Obama sponsored stimulus plan that is so frequently vilified by the conservatives…but you would be wrong.
The first year of any incoming president term is saddled—for better or for worse—with the budget set by the president whom immediately precedes the new occupant of the White House. Indeed, not only was the 2009 budget the property of George W. Bush—and passed by the 2008 Congress—it was in effect four months before Barack Obama took the oath of office.
Accordingly, the first budget that can be blamed on President Obama began in 2010 with the budgets running through and including fiscal year 2013 standing as charges on the Obama account.
The three biggest spenders since Eisenhower have been Reagan, Bush I, Bush II. All RepubliCONs.
This is quoted directly out of Forbes Magazine.
http://tinyurl.com/c6b2acy
Yes, let's talk about it.
Project Gunrunner began in Laredo, Texas, in 2005 and was expanded in 2006. Operation Fast and Furious was operational from 2009 to 2011.
And this was the first time the feds had tried this?
No. In fact, two similar gun-walking operations, including one run out of the same Phoenix-area office that oversaw Operation Fast and Furious, were conducted under President George W. Bush. The first, Operation Wide Receiver, ran from 2006 to 2007, and tried to make use of the same chain of gun buyers, smugglers, and middle men who tossed deadly weapons up the ladder to cartel enforcers. Both Wide Receiver and the 2007 probe allowed guns to make their way across the border in a manner similar to Fast and Furious.
http://tinyurl.com/ckfehpn
Do you have ANY sources to back up your false, specious, intentionally dishonest, and untrue claims?
I didn't think so.
How can you claim to love America when you clearly hate the average American enough to continue to spout proven lies, false information, and knowingly lie?
If you don't like the President, then move out of my country. Delta is ready when you are.
I hear Afghanistan is nice this year.
What a child. i never wanted to be part of your stupid club anyway. so naaa
lol Sour grapes. :p
Just what I was thinking: "Stupid job! I didn't want it anyway..." Yeah right. No one spends that many years of his life running for president if he didn't want it. Really bad.
He didn't want the JOB, he just wanted the perks that come with it.
Romney: "I'm taking my ball and going home and I didn't want to win anyway and you're a doodie face."
I wish he'd tell his legions of mormon trainees to stay away from my door. They don't want to listen to me.
Who?
For Mitt, being POTUS would have been a hobby.
Remember all the reasons he had to report to his "handlers" for the loss and how quickly he had to have the (thankfully recorded) phone call to do that? In his true circles, losing out to an uppity Negro is about as bad as life gets... His "self-deportation" from even so much as having wanted it is evidence enough of that.
Count your blessings that MITT didn't make President...READ BELOW!
While most religious traditions have beliefs that are considered bizarre by those outside that faith, Mormons seem to have the most beliefs that are routinely rejected by non-Mormons because of their oddness or their ability to be disproved. Here is a countdown of 10 of the most unusual Mormon beliefs.
10. The earth is 7,000 years old. There is no official statement by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints about the age of the earth, but many Mormons (and many Christians of some sects) believe that the age of the earth is on the order of thousands of years rather than billions calculated by widely accepted scientific methods.
9. Mars and Venus have dry rivers. The dry rivers on Mars and Venus were the source of the flowing rivers on earth. The theory is that the dry rivers on Mars and Venus "match" the rivers on Earth and that proves that all three planets were organized from the same source.
8. Dinosaur bones come from other planets. LDS Church Institute instructors teach that fossilized dinosaur bones are from creatures that lived on other worlds that were destroyed in the creation of the earth.
7. Mormon scripture teaches that Cain, who killed his brother Abel, was so evil that God "cursed" him with black skin, thus creating the African race. In a related belief, though the LDS church has deemed any worthy male to be part of the priesthood, black males were not recognized in this capacity until 1978.
6. In cases of the sin of murder, the murder of the sinner and the mixing of his blood with the earth bring forgiveness. In 1977 after the U.S. Supreme Court reinstated the death penalty, Gary Gilmore chose to be executed by firing squad in Utah due to his belief in blood atonement.
5. In 1960, The Prophet Spencer W. Kimball taught that when Native Americans become Mormons their skin turns white. He said "The [Indian] children in the home placement program in Utah are often lighter than their brothers and sisters in the hogans on the reservation."
4. Also on the subject of Native Americans, the preface to the Book of Mormon from 1981 indicates that descendents of Lehi are a "remnant of the House of Israel" and were ancestors to American Indians. However, the DNA of Native Americans indicates an Asian origin.
3. When a marriage is sealed in the Temple, a husband can know his wife's celestial name, but she cannot know his. This is so that if he so chooses, he can resurrect her after her death by calling her celestial name.
2. Mormons believe that after the resurrection, Jesus visited America and there he performed miracles and taught.
1. Kolub is a star mentioned in the Book of Abraham as being closest to the throne of God. The Book of Abraham is canonized by the LDS church, Mormon fundamentalist organizations, and other LDS sects. Kolub inspired "Kobol" in Mormon Glen A. Larson's Battlestar Galactica universe.
There are more strange beliefs as follows:
The belief here in is that prior to everyone coming to live they existed as a spirit. Then once they are on earth and then die, their spirits then become separated from their bodies. If they have lived a good life then they go to the spirit paradise if they have been unscrupulous individuals then it is off to the spirit prison they go. According to the beliefs here, the whole spirit world exists until the second coming of Christ
Is in reference to the pleasures in life but there are a lot of doctrine in the Mormon religion that applies to what one should take pleasure in and what should not be taken as pleasure. Three of the major taboos are coffee, drugs and tobacco
Tithing which has to do with the money and is actually quite prominent in many religions. However, with the Mormons the concept is that if you want to get into the highest level of heaven then you must pay up the money.
Now you know why MITT TITHES so much to his church!!!
key...where do you go to make up this crap?
Key...I assume you think you are a liberal.....one who is accepting? Not you. Hypocrit.
These sheep are talking like it was a landslide victory. Food stamp voters elected their food stamp president. Nothing more.
Good one
Dude, Im a sixteen year old boy, have a part time job, and am doing better for this country than 100 food stamp obama supporters put together. Im into saving our country not collecting free stuff from Obama. everyone move to texas before things get out of hand, please help get our country back and stop listening to NBC news they are filling the media with lies. people can comment bad about me but I don't care they will find out how bad this country will be very soon. It's pretty bad that I am young and know the consequences of Obama being in office. God bless the troops that died after Obama tried covering it up, and most importantly GOD BLESS AMERICA =')
cameron: I think you nailed it.
neverstop: Never stop to listen to answers. Try it sometime - maybe the rage will be replaced with reason.
CoCo & LuLu. The TRUTH HURTS doesn't it (do a little research on Google or God forbid the LIBRARY!)?
Your MITT was and will continue to be a...CUCKOO, CUCKOO!!!
Oh, and by the way...it's spelled HYPOCRITE. You REPUBLICANS should know better. Tsk, Tsk.
Just think, Ann. Coulda been you.
Loser.
Who?
It's good to have our country in the hands of a capable leader, President Obama. We can now sleep better knowing he will not invent excuses to go into Iran.
WE voted President Obama for another 4 years. Now it's up to us to support our choice. Stay watchful, contact your electeds. Vote, even in the local and state elections. Get those Tparty people out on the street where they belong. Did you know ALEC and FreedomWorks are now phasing in the repub/tparty states ways to fix the electoral votes? More cheating. Voter ID wasn't enough. Vote ALWAYS for Democratics who have never tried to stop your voting rights.
Yes, vote Democratic so you can keep receiving welfare without drug testing. While I have to be drug tested to get & keep my job to deep all the freeloading democrats getting their freebies. What a great way to live. Oh & by the way, lets ban all guns..cause guns kill people. I think we should ban food, after all it is food that makes people fat. Why not put in place better mental health care for the people that need it...or how about this. If you have guns, be responsible & lock them up so no one can just walk in & take them. Maybe a law like that would be better. As for voter cheating....wasn't it the Black Panthers at some voting stations scaring people away. What is that called? I would say....threatening your vote.
To the best of my knowledge, not one single gun has been removed from circulation by this president. In fact, his 23 executive actions do pretty much what you stat @goingcrazy which is to order agencies to share databases and to provide medical and mental health workers with clearer direction on reporting potentially violent criminal offenders and people with mental illnesses.
As for your drug testing to keep your job, that has nothing to do with the federal government, that's your company doing that. I for one agree that there should be drug testing, on-going, for recipients of federal dollars as well as a lifetime cap on what you can receive. If you have been receiving federal/state handouts for more than 4 years you are either physically handicapped or mentally disadvantaged to where you cannot be productive. Everyone else, get a job.
John to earthgirl...Talk about sheeple! It is truly disappointing that being brainwashed form the early age of 18, like you, (SORRY, BUT YOUR COMMENT SHOWS SO EASILY HOW IMMATURE YOU ARE), IS A REASON WHY WE NEED TO HAVE TEASTING TO SEE WHO IS COMPETANT AND WHO IS NOT. AT LEAST RAISE THE VOING AGE TO 25.
testing not teasting, competent not competant, voting not voing. Maybe you should be paying attention in class instead of playing on mommy and daddy's computer.
Your inmaturity of over correcting is getting old, TiredVoter us young kids are taking our country back so get out of the way. And im 16 if you are filled with unsupported curiousity and hesitated responses. not all people who don't like obama are uneducated and have disadvantages. stop playing on mommy and daddy's computer you jerk..
john: The caps are a nice touch.
"WE NEED TEASTING TO SEE WHO IS COMPETANT AND WHO IS NOT"
You got that right. God...is this for real, or is in my own personal nightmare?
Aw did poor whittle antiobama34 get it's itsy bitsy feelings hurt? You are 16, big whoop. I have grandchildren that are older than you. As for defending the moron talking about what people need to do to vote. He should take his own advice and get educated and stop typing NONSENSE!!!
Sorry, but you have no country to take back. Who said it was "yours"? Where is your "deed" or "mortgage"? You see you little sniveling brat, this country belongs to ALL of us!!! And it is our obligation to make sure that it remains in half way decent shape after the two major whack-jobs that they call political parties get done fighting over it. Gotcha you little crank. You thought you knew something but what you really know is you are still a child. No get off of mommy and daddy's computer and go do your homework.
As Tiredvoter posts this days later. Tough guy.
Sorry Greg. I do WORK for a living and do NOT spend my whole day or evening searching these boards. So why don't you get a JOB? I see that you posted at 3:09 in the afternoon 2 days after I posted a response to the little twit that thinks they need to "take back their country"!! They have no country to take back, but of course someone like you will not get that. Back away from Faux Snooze and get a life.
Yes your the only one that works. You can now go back to your punkie little job.
Actually I love my punkie little job. I love only having one boss (CFO and Vice President of the Company). I love doing payroll, my job is never boring and always has a challenge. So yes I will take my punkie little job over your sitting on your backside so that you can be on the computer at 1 in the afternoon. Or are you wasting your employers time and money by being on this site when you should be working?
Oh it really is comical when you vote up your own post. Narcissist much?
News flash Romney LOST!!! Get used to that look. Vote Independent!!
Romney’s son Tagg told The Boston Globe in December that his father was never really all that into winning the nation’s highest office anyway.
“He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life,” Tagg told the newspaper
Then why the hell did he run??? What a bunch of crock. This is the most useless, tax evading family in America. I hope the IRS jumps all over Mitt's tax returns and those of Sheldon Addleson too. His Vegas crony that makes his money offshore and pays little to no taxes he pumped $ 50 million into a campaign that didn't mean anything.
Is Mitt the Lance Armstrong of politics? Doe she owe his BIG contributors an apology for WASTING their money on a campaign he "wasn't into"
You are so full of crap. You have no proof like Harry Reid. And Romney cannot win in anything. You wanted him gone and so he is. Try to concentrate on what you might do to make the word better. But alas you are just a whiner.
Well Lulu, he made the world better by not voting for Mitt. I did too. :-)
Maybe so, skim.....but the time now is for compromise and moving forward. Is that not the slogan....at least the forward part.
lulu............when have the repubs ever compromised in order to move forward? Boehner won't compromise and the GOP fillibusters the Senate most of the time.
"He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life"
Well, neither did George Washington. The 1st President of our country had little desire to lead and preferred to retire to Mt. Vernon. Yet, he decided to accept the responsibility and became one of our nation's greatest leaders.
What Tagg meant is that Romney didn't run for himself and did not desire the power or fame of the Presidency; he ran because he wanted to serve his country.
But, if you believe the President should "want" to be President, congrajulations. You now have Obama who has wanted to be the President since he was a schoolboy.
Treasonous and cowardly republicans spend four years throwing roadblocks in the way and filibustering at every turn working for one goal: make Obama a one term president.
But since that four year effort was an epic failure, all of a sudden the GOP is all about compromise.
Hey, GOP....compromise this!
Mitch McConnell's most unpatriotic comment in US political history was enough for me.
"The single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president." (the National Journal on Oct. 23, 2010) That is how they intended to serve the American public? Thanks anyway.
Paralyzing the Federal Government for 4 years because the American electorate chose a superior (not incidentally) black man over any candidate they could field. What did they expect? A 'reality show' shill that 'can see Russia from her porch', or a venture capitalist with an elevator in his garage.
Mitt is setting in the sun watching the US go down the toilet. I hope he has a home in some other country and lives a long and comfortable life. He tried to save us. Unlike us Americans that are swirling counterclockwise. LLLLOOOOLLLL...
Uh, you're speaking of Romney in the years between 2002 and 2008, right?
W's "off-the-books" war in Iraq. Wall Street running amok.
Sheesh, Ron, the flushing began with the theft of the 2000 election.
Ron. Mitt Romney is what is wrong with this country. He was given the best education money could buy, and what did he do with it. He learned how to steel money from people that worked hard for a Retirement that they earned. Romney found a way to steel that money from the hard working people of this country, then leave it up to the Tax payers of this country to pick up the bill. And Ron you think that what we need of a President? Really.
For those in here who can actually read and not have to "listen only" for their information... Douglas Schoen, former Clinton pollster and currently working with NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg writes...
The tone of the upcoming presidential inauguration is a far cry from the last. When President Obama was first inaugurated, we got uplifting rhetoric and the promise of hope and change that was proven, at best, to have been only partially realized over the last four years.
In place of hope and change, division and partisanship in Washington mark the president’s second inauguration. To some degree this is unsurprising as Obama was reelected more by an angry electorate that had no confidence that challenger Mitt Romney would offer a credible alternative. There was a begrudging sense that it was worth giving Obama a second term, but no great mandate.
What did not come in the campaign or the start of Obama’s second term is a vision for how we solve our intractable problems. Direction and specifics as to how we balance our budget, reduce our debt and deficit. A conciliatory plan for how we get out of our fiscal mess.
This is a far larger issue than just getting past the fiscal cliff or the latest incarnation of the debt ceiling crisis or how we fend off sequestration. What is our overall strategy to revive America?
I have been a fervent supporter of the Bowles-Simpson deficit reduction plan and think that offers the best framework available, but the President owes it to us to tell us what he is going to do and how he is going to get there with specificity. He will have to make hard choices on entitlements and, yes, compromise with House Republicans.
The American people need to have some sense as to what our nation’s foreign policy is and will be in the coming years. There has indeed been a reluctance to send troops and a willingness to use drones, but we do not have a sense of what the overarching policy of the administration is in terms of Iran, North Korea, Russia and China amongst others. We need these answers.
And we are in very large measure looking for leadership and a sense of what the president stands for. Whether you like him or not, George W. Bush told the American people what he stood for and what his vision was. We do not have that kind of clarity with President Obama beyond his support for the middle class which is no doubt important, but not an overall strategic vision for running the country.
The challenges we are facing now are extraordinary. Unemployment is still too high at 7.9 percent. The debt is at $16.4 trillion and the deficit at $1.1 trillion. We all know that something needs to be done about these unacceptable figures, but there is no plan to make any meaningful change.
It follows that at Obama’s second inauguration, the American people are looking for a specific vision of leadership, consensus building and a willingness to reach out to Republicans – even intransigent Republicans – who have not shown much inclination to bargain, but with whom the president must negotiate with for a better America in his second term. We have little chance of recovery and growth otherwise.
Douglas E. Schoen has served as a pollster for President Bill Clinton and is currently working with New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg. He has more than 30 years experience as a pollster and political consultant.
Thank you, Mr. Schoen, for an eloquint answer to all the hateful and immature comments, above. It seems to me that Mr. Romney may be tired of the whole election process and the way elections are now won. Dragging unwilling voters to the polls by offering booze, cigarettes, money, etc., filling the airwaves on black radio stations and churches with stories of lynchings and cruelty by a very small minority of southern rednecks from 50 years ago and beyond, the lie of stealing the 2000 election from the sitting vice president, the fact that this president has done a wonderful job of dividing us through class warfare, and so much more. A very large percentage of Democrat voters are unqualified to make an intellegent decision on politics. Blacks have lived their entire lives being bitter and hateful, while uneducated whites are either sympathetic or vote the same as their family has always voted. We need a system in this country where we have to pass a test of basic questions concerning the candidates who are running for the most important job in the entire world. Just getting the sheep to follow the sheep herder is killing this wondeful country. In four more years, the sheep will see what a terrible mistake they have made.
John Spurlock,
But it's OK to limit voter turnout? Have voters wait HOURS to cast a vote? Hypocrite.
John Spurlock, You are making huge assumptions about the majority of Americans. Where did you get your information on this sweeping view of the American people? Please don't assume that most of us are sheep or angry or uneducated. This election has shown me that most of us CAN think and have voted for the person most able to run this country. Romney was just a mouthpiece for a small, powerful group of people who wanted even more power, more money and laws to enforce their ridiculous overcomsumption and greed, while leaving most of us out in the cold.
john spurlock, I can't stop laughing. It's pretty silly to criticize folks by calling them sheep when you yourself are nothing more than a right wing shill. But please keep up the good work though, somebody on the right has to keep us entertained here.
Dude, you may be sitting on the porch of your $10 million house with the garage elevators, but you do so knowing that you lost your own block in La Jolla. That's right. Even his neighbors hate him, according to results published locally in California. He was -8 in his own precinct and -22 in the city he's claiming as his now. His own gay next door neighbor went on local talk radio to mock him.
GMAN, you and those LIKE you, are who I was talking about when you have no better comment than to feel better about yourself by putting down others. Immaturity is expected when you are young. I'm sure you amused yourself with your comment to me.
Gail Matthews, some see it the Democrat way, and I understand this. You are entitled to your point of view. At least we can respectfully disagree.
CF, that's because it's California, AKA the LEFT coast, that has been blue since after Reagan, about the time that you started to become bankrupt, after the invasion from Mexico began.
Danstanick, you mean like the ballots that were not allowed from our military overseas? This is what I mean when I say what followers some of you are, to believe such bulls*it! Where did you hear that lie, from ABC, CBS, NBC...or any of their affiliates? How can you be so naive?
Spurlock, California isn't bankrupt but it is suffering from 5 years of the governator's administration. During those five years he, among other things and behind closed doors, settled a 15 billion dollar suite brought by Gray Davis against a number of energy companies for chump change.
And.
“He wanted to be president less than anyone I’ve met in my life,” So Tagg, why did he spend four years trying to get a job he didn't want? Split personality maybe?
And who names their kid "Tagg"?
Oh my yes!... Thank you "pollster" for casting "pollster" style light into an otherwise dungeon of darkness for the common man!! Whatever would we do without "pollster" intellect??... Why, "Pollsters" are even better than "pundits" because they make up their own numbers instead of just cherry-picking the ones made up by others!!
Sheesh! Pollsters and pundits make their money essentially the same way Romney does... by finding ways to absorb it off of its rightful owners. The best measure of success among them is when all of their contributions come to nothing.
ron: Not to worry, Mr. Romney has reamed his investors for an estimated $200+ million, a good bit of that stashed offshore. Sheltered from taxes, and not in circulation where it would do your country a lot of good. Mitt Romney never saved anyone except himself - ask anyone associated with any of his acquisitions.
Romney’s son Tagg told The Boston Globe in December that his father was never really all that into winning the nation’s highest office anyway.
Ya right! hahahahahahahahahaha
He belongs in a galaxy far, far away.
KOLOB is the MORMON PLANET:
Kolob is a star or planet described
in Mormon scripture. Reference to
Kolob is found in the Book of Abraham, a work
published by Latter Day Saint (LDS) prophet Joseph Smith,
Jr. According to this work, Kolob is the heavenly body nearest to the throne or residence
of God. While the Book
of Abraham refers to Kolob as a “star”,[1] it also
refers to planets as stars,[2] and
therefore, some LDS commentators consider Kolob to be a planet.[3] Other Latter
Day Saints (commonly referred to as Mormons) consider Kolob to be a Christian
metaphor.
Kolob has never been identified with any modern astronomical object and is
not recognized as an ancient concept by modern Egyptology.
Kolob is rarely discussed in modern LDS religious contexts, but it is
periodically a topic of discussion in criticism of Mormonism. The idea also appears within LDS
culture, and there is a LDS hymn about it. Kolob is also the
inspiration for the planet Kobol within the Battlestar
Galactica universe, created by Glen A. Larson, a
Mormon.[4][5]
This is what MITT and his Mormon minons ferverently believe...CUCKOO...CUCKOO!!
Mitt Romney is someone most of you folks can't understand...he isn't motivated by what motivates most politicians...he isn't motivated by what motivates most of you...he isn't bothered by your opinions and neither am I...so forget the democrat, independent and republican crap...I'm not into any of that nonsense...the US had a chance at a good man to be president and the majority chose unwisely...try to be happy with what you got in Obama...
We are happy.
Sorry you don't agree, but that's fine.
Mitt Romney didn't want to be President anyway...so, no harm no foul.
Romney? A good man? That could be the funniest thing I've heard today.
We chose the man who is the BEST for the job. Romney only had the failed radical republican trickle down to offer up, we didn't want them, he LOST, and the country is far better off for it. The guy didn't want to be pres? Either a lie or a great disservice to the country. I could be happier that Romney lost and Obama won. And that will continue as long as republicans stay on the crazy train.
Dee Ten:
Yes, there was a chance for a better man, and the pukebags threw him under the bus. Remember Huntsman? He would have beaten Obama, but no, oh no, had to have Mitt.
I said it before the ballots were counted and I was correct, Obama would win. He did. Now, I'll tell you another one, the pukebags will lose a lot of seats in 2014, UNLESS they change the party platform, throw the tea bagging nut cakes out, and can prove to the voters they mean to keep the changes they just made. Otherwise, the pukebags will be branded as LOSERS again. I have a feeling you people will have to get used to being called LOSERS.
I am and I voted libertarian.
Mitt''s puppet masters would have turned this country into USA.com.
oops - I COULDN'T be happier.
I am very happy with " who we got " Who would want a person who" didn't want to president anyways " We need someone who the only thing they ever wanted is to be president. Not one of those, how much can I line my pockets type of president. Someone who represents the masses, not someone who signs a pledge to the elite.
That is why the Repugnant party has to resort to gerrymandering and now I hear wanting to change the electoral college. As it somehow doesn't work anymore. It sure worked in 2000 when it allowed the worst president this country has ever seen to be elected.
So Mitt the twit is in the right place because as far as I'm concerned Mitt can go pound sand.
whom are you prattling on about? Obama WON
Exactly... Obama won get over it right? Yet Mitt is still for whatever reason painted as out of touch. It's cold today, nearly everywhere, but not for Mitt right MSN? Mitt isn't like me, he thinks he's better than me because he's somewhere warm today.
Where's Mitt? Why should anyone care? He's a private citizen that can do what he wants, where he wants.
You are absolutely right. Romney isn't motivated by the same things as the President, or most other people. He is motivated by one thing only -- absolutely insane, utterly insatiable, GREED.
We all know what motivates Mitt, MONEY!
So it's either 'sour grapes" and he's a poor loser, or if he really didn't want the job in the first then why apply for it at all. I would much rather have someone in office who is excited about doing the job than someone who doesn't give a fat crap. The fact that Romney isn't even interested in watching the inauguration from the comfort of his own home reenforces the poor loser scenario.
I love the "accidentally elected" angle, as if there were some sort of an "inadvertent" situation in which too much of the American majority showed up and voted freely...
I understand though that in YOUR world you... Oh! thats right! You don't have one!
Nothing says "dodging a bullit" like ANOTHER republican that barely shows his face once the money doesn't buy the throne. I think there's some Non-Profits wondering where all of their un-taxed cash went... There's nothing rougher than an organized Non-Profit. It might be wise to stay in hiding and work only over a trusted phone for a while.
You reminded me of the only and only time I can recall Ann Coulter being correct. It was during the republican primaries when they were having those debates with a dozen or so candidates.
After one of the debates, she said (or words to this effect): "If the party doesn't draft Gov Christie and prevail upon him to run, then Romney will win the nomination and Obama will kick his ass".
She could have taken Christie's name out and ;put Huntsman's name in and still been right.
Watch the inauguration???? No way. Obama's already wasting your money, why would you allow him to waste your time also?
Sounds like sour grapes to me.
Sour grapes is writing a blurb about man that is no longer relevent in the political world. Lets keep bashing Mitt for no reason look, he's warm, your not, he thinks he's better than you. He's not even going to the president on TV today right? What a jerk Mitt is... Hahaha mitt, Obama won, it's not your day today... Talk about sour grapes.
Dee in #10,
Mitt is a Mormon. Mormon's hold as an absolute that lying in defense of their faith is virtuous.
Therefore, he is anything but "a good man."
By his own words during the campaign, however, he most certainly proved to be a very "good" Mormon.
I'm a Mormon, and I want everyone to know you're comment is a complete lie, that's not true at all. It's not ok to lie, it's one of the 10 commandments, we follow the 10 commandments. But I'm sure you'll continue saying it anyways.
Hey Republicans ---- listen up. I thing I have a strategy that may work for you.
Now --- Mitt Romney may have been the best you had and that’s the problem --- he was the best of a horrible insane, ridicules batch. Seriously – Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachmann, Herman Cane, Newt Gingrich --- as president ---- any of them?? I don’t think so. But that’s all in the past. So let’s look to the 2016 election. This is my advise Republicans --- if you want to have any chance of winning in 2016
I agree with you on 2008, not 2012. America lost a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be lead by a wonderful, intellegent man who would have made all the right moves to get us out of the mess we are in. Because so many had their minds already made up, they lost out on the fact that Mr. Romney is a financial genious and an honest man whose faith will not allow him to lie. If the Democrat voters, themselves,knew what religious faith is, they would have seen this about him. Instead they make catty, insensitive and lying remarks about him. Their judgement day will come.
"I agree with you on 2008, not 2012. America lost a once-in-a-lifetime chance to be lead by a wonderful, intellegent man who would have made all the right moves to get us out of the mess we are in"
John -- are you serious?? Romney?? How can anyone ever know what Romney would have done. He was for and against everything. And -- if you look at history, successful business people haven't made very good presidents. Hoover, Harding, Bush 43, all were successful businessmen but lousy presidents.
Actually you moron, the Muslim faith says its ok to lie not the mormons.. And YOUR president is a muslim which is why he continues his lies to the American public.
The entire Mormon faith is a lie... so telling the "truth" about it and lying are one and the same. No difference between fawning over rocks in hats and fawning over Mitt. They're both just fantasies given life by people that long ago lost the ability to think for themselves.
"And an Angel appeared to him, told him that God was good, and that for a distinct percentage of his earnings he too could get into heaven... Perhaps a lower "level" of heaven to be sure, but with hard work and a resultant increase in the size of the "take", who knows??? Maybe we can bump you up a notch...
They run this scam because it sort of mimics how others rape people for boat-loads of cash... And because snake-oil leaves evidence of subterfuge behind.
Their "belief system" is living proof that evolution goes both ways.
Bob...you are right on.
Oh, yeah, he's a Muslim. Yeah, that's the ticket.
And don't forget he was born in Kenya; that fake birth certificate didn't fool us, did it?
Oh, and that secret decoder ring Obama wears, let's not forget that.
Actually, what I think the GOP needs to do to win an election is, first of all, to recognize that there is an entire country out there, not just some know-nothings in a few regional pockets; second: develop a party platform that takes this into consideration -- stop harping on abortion, gay marriage, and gun rights, and start working toward creating all those jobs you said you would in 2010; third: ditch the Tea Party and the so-called "Christian" right. Most people in the country are 'way turned off by these last two, and they will be a millstone around your neck until you get rid of them. Fourth: show that you can govern by actually participating in the activities of government; all you do now is posture and obstruct. Why should we trust you to govern? Most of us still remember GW Bush, and don't want that kind of non-governing back.
Take a lesson from history: go back and see what the Republican Party stood for when Eisenhower was president. Of course, based on your current views, Eisenhower would have been a liberal Democrat today. Face it -- your glory days are behind you. Your party is imploding, incapable of governing, cannot hear the whole nation, and cares only about the wealthy and corporate welfare. And you keep nominating unelectable nutbars because you insist they follow your extremist agenda. A few poster boys used as window dressing (Rubio, Jindal) does not a new party make. This country must be governed from the middle, not either extreme.
I am a liberal, and even I would like to see some tax reform. I'm tired of all the wealth in this country migrating upward. I would love to see all those jobs created abroad created here instead. And no, I don't want safety and clean-air regulations neutralized. I want to know that when I get on a plane, it is safe to do so. I want to know that when I breathe the air outside, that it is safe to do so. And I want better healthcare outcomes for less money than we spend now. Every other civilized country can accomplish this; whay can't we?
I don't want us to turn into China, where so many loyal American Republicans have sent our jobs. I want a great America, and I don't see how the Republican platform/agenda/congressional behavior is getting us there.
NevadaJ and other LDS apologists,
Mormons are not only forgiven for lying in defense of their faith, they are both expected AND required to do so regardless of the consequences OF those lies. Even the presidential Oath of Office is subject to this spiritual nullification.
Read about the Lafferty Brothers and their murderous rampage in Utah in 1984. "Under the Banner of Heaven: A Story of Violent Faith," by Jon Krakauer (Doubleday, 2003). It will send chills up your spine regarding the bullet America just dodged...that is, if you have one.
MSNBCMFE, your comment is a complete lie and you know it.
Just think, Republicans: You could have ran a moderate Conservative candidate like Jon Huntsman, and you could be watching him get sworn in right now. Instead, you lobbied behind a bored rich guy who didn't even really want the job, and allowed your party be taken over by the far right extremists playing divisive politics.
Enjoy Obama's second term. You helped make it happen.
Actually Huntsman's father is a billionaire.
Be that what it may William, Huntsman would have won. So yes, the pukebags are responsible for being called LOSERS. They brought it on to themselves.
All presidential candidates are rich to one degree or another. But only Romney viewed the Presidency as a "game" or a way to pass the time and gamble away some of his disposable millions.
Mr. Cameron, you are more full of s*it than a Thanksgiving turkey. Republicans do not want marijuana legalized. THAT was your main interest in getting a Libertarian voted in. They had no chance.
You are so right on SO many fronts. I am a moderate independent by nature. I have voted for both Dem and GOP over my lifetime. However, the descent into stupidity and ignorance that the GOP has allowed to happen to itself has proven that until they become sane again and get back toward the middle where they belong, I will no longer vote GOP. They have become bigotted, self serving and elitist. They have forgotten the values that made them and instead have become extremely selfish and loathing.
This country has grown and become more diverse over the years. It is no longer the world of white males. It IS a world of men and women, black, white, brown, yellow, and every color and nationality inbetween. It IS a melting pot. And until the GOP understands that, they WILL continue to lose and they WILL continue to scratch their butts trying to figure out why when it's looking right back at them in the mirror.
I don't know if Huntsman would have won. A Much better choice then Romney though. I do not think obstructionists are helping this country with the way they have been acting over the last 4 years. That hasn't exactly helped US nor the president. This country could be in a lot better shape had Congress really tried to work together. no need to go into details we all know whats gone on over the last 4 years!
I, like you, vote both parties. I always have as neither parties ideals exactly match my own. honestly I do not know how SO many people are 100% in agreement with their chosen party. isn't there anything at all people in general disagree with within their own party?
I feel exactly the same as you JKLD. there must be more people like us? although I think we need a Real third political party, Republicans have moved too far right for me lately it seems!
52% of Americans really did not him to be president. Our nation is better off with a the current president, who has passion for our country and has been positive for our wonderful country.
Amen Doug Bair....The People Have Spoken!
You left out a word. Between "passion for" and "our country" you should have inserted ......destroying !
Oh yeah, Ken. That's what Obama's speech sounded like today--NOT. Actually, it sounded joyful and upbeat.
You, on the other hand, sound like a loser. Which you are, and you know it.
52%? That's up 5% from 47%! Quick, somebody tell Mitt! But I'm sure he couldn't give a @!$%# about it anymore. If I could be in sunny southern Cal for the winter, I would, too.
Yes speeches inspire like this one:
INTRODUCTION
Four years have passed since the beginning of that great internal revolution which in the meantime has been giving a new aspect to life. This is the period of four years which I asked the people to grant me for the purpose of putting my work to the test and submitting it to their judgment. Hence at the present moment nothing could be more opportune than for me to render you an account of all the successes that have been achieved and the progress that has been made during these four years, for the welfare of the people. But within the limits of the short statement I have to make it would be entirely impossible to enumerate all the remarkable results that have been reached during a time which may be looked upon as probably the most astounding epoch in the life of our people. That task belongs rather to the press and the propaganda. Moreover, during the course of the present year there will be an Exposition here which is being organized for the purpose of giving a more comprehensive and detailed picture of the works that have been completed, the results that have been obtained and the projects on which work has been begun, all of which can be explained better in this way than I could do it within the limits of an address that is to last for two hours. Therefore I shall utilize the opportunity afforded me by this historic meeting of the cast a glance back over the past four years and call attention to some of the new knowledge that we have gained, some of the experiences which we have been through, and the consequences that have resulted thereof--in so far as these have general validity. It is important that we should understand them clearly, not only for our own sake but also for that of the generations to come.
Having done this, I shall pass on to explain our attitude toward those problems and tasks whose importance for us and for the world around us must be appreciated before it will be possible to live in better relations with one another. Finally I should like to describe as briefly as possible the projects which I have before my mind for our work in the near future and indeed in the distant future also.
RETROSPECTIVE: THE LAST FOUR YEARS
At the time when I used to go here and there throughout the country, simply as a public speaker, people from the bourgeois classes used to ask me why we believed that a revolution would be necessary, instead of working within the framework of the established political order and with the collaboration of the parties already in existence, for the purpose of improving those conditions which we considered unsound and injurious. Why must be have a new party, and especially why a new revolution?
The answer which I then gave may be stated under the following headings:
(1) The elements of confusion and dissolution which are making themselves felt in life, in the concept of life itself and the will to national self-preservation, cannot be eradicated by a mere change of government. More than enough of those changes have already taken place without bringing about any essential betterment of the distress that exists. All these Cabinet reconstructions brought some positive advantage only to the actors who took part in the play; but the results were almost always quite negative as far as the interests of the people were concerned. As time has gone on the thought and practical life of our people have been led astray into ways that are unnatural to them and injurious. One of the causes which brought about this condition of affairs must be attributed to the fact that the structure of our State and our methods of government were foreign to our own national character, our historical development and our national needs.
Sound familiar to those on here from what they heard today?
Adolf Hitler - Speech before the Reichstag
January 30, 1937
And Bubba wins the Godwin Award!!! Way to go Bubba!!!
By the way, folks -- I've noticed that there is another "Ken" with a bunch of numbers after his name that is posting here. NOT ME. Sorry if there's any confusion. That's what you get for letting the website choose your screen name for you.
I missed Obama's speech. What lies, I mean what accomplishments did he tout? I can't recall any.
Bubba, you're a flaming idiot along with jack, ken and that spurlick fellow. You should have figured out by now that the tea baggers are much closer to being Nazis then just about any other political party in the world.
Fourteen points to consider:
1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism -
Certain political groups tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays. To oppose the political power that utilizes these symbols is to be labeled subversive, unpatriotic, and treasonous. Did you watch any of the Republican National Convention in Tampa this year? Do you remember the rhetoric over the debates of the "Patriot Act" when anyone spoke out against it? Why, the very name is inflammatory.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights -
Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc. Dubya Shrub's RepubliCON Texas speeded up the process by which executions take place, and all of the right-wing cheerleaders jumped for joy.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause -
The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc. Sounds a lot like Boehner and McCain, doesn't it? Everyone's blaming President Obama, and yet, all the real, verifiable facts show the economy is improving. But why let facts spoil your propaganda?
4. Supremacy of the Military -
Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda i s neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized. Speaks for itself. Oh heck no, we can't cut Defense Spending! Except that the US is only about 5% of the world's population, and we spend almost 42% of the world's money on defense. Even the Defense Department is begging for reductions in certain areas. Billions for Defense, but not one penny for helping the poor and disadvantaged!
5. Rampant Sexism -
Governments consisting of certain political groups tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under these types of governments, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Opposition to abortion is high, as is homophobia and anti-gay legislation and national policy to strip the civil rights of homosexuals. Reproductive choice, female pay-equality, women's rights, and other issues important to women are frequently opposed, such as abortion in the case of rape or incest. Only one woman in the RepubliCON caucus holding a chair of a committee, and then only after it was pointed out that they were all rich, old, white men. Look at the Greed Only Party leadership in Congress, and it looks like a banker's convention.
6. Controlled Mass Media -
Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in wartime, is very common. Media outlets controlled by these certain groups are often misleading in their publications or broadcasts, with a slant that is intentionally designed to propagandize and manipulate the population. Lush Rimbaugh, Glen Beck, Liddy, all of Fox, need I go on?
7. Obsession with National Security -
Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses. "If you oppose this, you are committing treason, and inviting terrorists from all over the world to strike at a weakened America!" - George W. Bush speaking on behalf of the Patriot Act.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined -
Governments in nations led by these certain ideologies tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions. The Greed Only Party painting itself as religious, moral, family value oriented, and the only party that puts God first. The Baptist and Fundamentalist churches in this country are full of RepubliCONs... Don't believe it? Go to a small southern town on Sunday...
9. Corporate Power is Protected -
The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite. Taxes for corporations are frequently reduced or in some cases eliminated, and corporations are often granted rights that individual citizens were intended to enjoy. In other cases, the right of Eminent Domain is abused, disguised as being intended for the "public good" Bain. That should say it all.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed -
Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed. Wisconsin, Michigan, all of the Southern Red States being "Right to Work" (which means they can fire you for no reason, and you have no recourse)... Hmmm... I'm seeing a pattern here.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts -
Nations dominated by certain political ideologies tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts is openly attacked, and governments often refuse to fund the arts. The National Endowment for the Arts and National Arts Council have suffered the biggest budget cuts in their collective histories under RepubliCON administrations, and are practically at the top of the list of Boehner and Ryan's "let's stick it to the poor folks" budget agenda. Do you even know what they want to cut?
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment -
Under the leadership of certain political ideologies, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in these nations. Hmmm... There's that pesky Patriot Act again. Department of Homeland Security anyone? That was added under Mad King Georgie, by the way...
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption -
Certain political ideologies that are in power, almost always consist of groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders. Well, this one ought to be obvious.
14. Fraudulent Elections -
Sometimes elections are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even media assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Certain political ideologies also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections. Florida, 2004. Ohio, 2000. The four manufacturers of "electronic voting machines" were all huge contributors to Bush, McCain and Romney over the last three presidential election cycles. If that doesn't scare you, then you need to move to another country.
Any of this sound familiar?
The Webster's New World Dictionary of the American Language, College Edition, defines fascism as :
"a system of government characterized by rigid one-party dictatorship, forcible suppression of the opposition (unions, other, especially leftist, parties, minority groups, etc), the retention of private ownership of the means of production under centralized governmental control, belligerent nationalism, sexism, and racism, the glorification and perpetuation of war, etc."
All fourteen of these are examples of the principles of Fascist governments.
Note the eerie similarity to the principles of the Greedy Obstructionist Party.
Here's a novel thought for you. If you don't like the President, then move out of the United States. Seriously, Delta is ready when you are. I hear it's nice in Afghanistan this time of year.
Either support the man and the office, or shut up. If you can't shut up, then deport yourself. Clearly, you hate America so much that you can't stand the guy who's fixing the mess that Dubya Shrub left behind.
One last thought:
The GOP only wants to do one thing: Divide you by giving you a target on which to blame your problems: The other party.
They use hateful labels designed to make you believe the Democrats are bad. They attack from behind patriotism, they have no empathy for the common man, and they state that the desire to see that everyone has a chance is "welfare mob mentality".
The GOP is only interested telling you who is to blame for your problems, and making you afraid of those problems. That’s how they win elections. They gather together a group of middle-aged, middle-class, middle-income voters who remember with longing an easier time, and they talk to them about family, morality, and American values.
They don’t offer any real solutions, because they don’t have any to offer. They say whatever they think their audience wants to hear, so that they can garner a little bit of local support. They make comments designed to take advantage of groupthink, mob mentality, and social proof, to manipulate elections. They badmouth the other guy. They say that he's "destroying America" without giving ANY evidence or examples of it whatsoever, and they manipulate the facts to suit whatever it is that they're saying at the moment. They tell half-truths, they spread rumours, and they try to convince the population that they're just a regular guy, when none of them know what it is like to walk into a grocery store knowing that they cannot spend more than $40, else they wouldn't be able to pay their electric bill.
Wow , now there is some food for thought. this may be the first post I have actually read more than once.
Thank you for this very lucid exposition of the situation we face today, and what's behind it. I cannot understand why those who are so opposed to government fight so hard to win elections.
If you were a hiring manager, would you hire somone who comes into your office and says "I don't think this job should be done, or is worth doing; it should be abolished. But I'm the best man for the job?" I've been a hiring manager, and I'd throw the bum right out the door, wouldn't you?
bubba: Don't you have a nose to pick, or a hog to slop? This kind of nonsense reeks of desperation - whether you or your ilk know it or not. Get behind your President and your country, or get out of the way.
The Evil Tessmacher-
Under #6 you forgot CNN, NBC (the ones that editted a certain 911 tape and Romney speach to change the meanings), MSN, MSNBC (are they still in business?), NYT...... and so many other left leaning media outlets.
#7 you forgot the NDAA, but don't worry Obama promises to not use the provision he requested to detain citizens without due process.
Everything you wrote is the reason we are a constitutional republic. What many forget is we have a constitution that limits our federal government. We the people need to remind them they are to have a limited role not an every increasing role. If we the people would read our own history and hold all of the crooks in DC accountable and vote them out when they stop listening to our directions we would fix half the crap going on.
Please don't forget Obama's words "...the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties — says what the states can’t do to you — says what the Federal government can’t do to you — but it doesn’t say what the Federal government or State government must do on your behalf."
I hate to break it to you and Mr. Obama, but the restraints on government are called FREEDOM of the PEOPLE you know LIBERTY!
Evil: How much acid did you drop before you pulled those idiotic thoughts out of your head. You basically described the liberal party. Our President is in his second term and still has not presented a budget. But that's okay because he's a liberal.
Lie father, lie son.
The douche doesn't fall far from the bag.
Corn calls Turd "stinky" ?
The way I see it is that...
the next generation of GOP "Legacies"( like GW & Jeb) are already throwing
THEIR FATHERS under the BUS
they just cannot be too for right or too crazy, there is no bottom to the RWNJ well !
LOL The Teabaggers are hilarious.. Don't worry Nascar season is coming up.
I can't wait for commercial space travel.
"Some of my best friends own planetary bodies!!"
You mean the lwhite ower middle class trailer trash crowd clinging tot heir guns, god and nastycar racing? The biggest consumers of guvment bennies in the history of our nation? The toothless socialists in the south? Them?
Ahhhh- got ya trailer in the forest and gun paid for and now you think you can spout (and spell)?
WTH is MItt? Mitt who?
The Romney's are sore loser crybabies. Sayonara. Now on to the important work we have in front of us...
Where are they sore losers. They are out of site minding their own business. When you get what. You want, you should be grateful.
Sure can agree on the important work we have in front of us. Can hardly wait for 4 years for someone to clean up the stinking mess that Mr. Obama and the democrats have left Americans. Not just monetarily, but hopefully the socialism can be eradicated too.
I sure feel a lot worse off than 4 years ago. Stock market is up, housing prices are up, unemployment is down, wars are winding down, the general financial recovery sentiment is more positive, companies are hiring.....the list goes on, and on, and on. Reports of the demise of America "cuz of the Obama" are greatly exaggerated. Things are looking brighter than in 2008/9 and there's no way to deny it.
All that is certainly true, bilbao72.
However, one has to consider what an easy act Obama had to follow after the little bush set the bar so very low.
bilboa: You know perfectly to what hysterical lengths desperation and denial will go. Mitt Romney is...no really..a very warm and empathetic human being. A venture capitalist? Surely you jest.
Kjosee, I think mitt is a flip flopper or was it a flopper flip? He changed his lies so many times it was hard to tell. But he will go down in history, just like McCain, both lost to someone who was not an old white man.
Again with the RIDICULOUS contention that Romney didn't really want to win. ALL of the evidence is completely against that contention, with the sole exception of this ludicrous statement of Mitt's son.
One has to assume that, but it's worth making fun of when your own son starts making stupid comments. It gets back to the colossal disappointment/shock/disbelief Mitt had when he lost, now coupled with some sore loser component.
Bishop Willard spent $45 Million of HIS OWN CASH over the last 10 years
chasing the votes & begging us to "like him"
IF he wasn't serious..... then he IS out of touch with reality
AND
America missed taking a fatal bullet by voting for progress .
" I don't like attention...but I'm thinking about running for office."
"Doubtful" that Willard will watch the Inauguration, an aide said.
What a true American - soooo interested in his country! (Just gonna hang around this car elevator.)
This article would have been just as effective and conveyed the same message if all it said was, "Nanny nanny poo poo Mitt Romney! You didn't win! Nanny nanny poo poo!"
Thanks, Peter Alexander and Matthew DeLuca. You've been real helpful. You can go back to your Legos now.
I'm taking a late lunch and browsing through these comments....what a bunch of liberal losers...they are so immersed with following a lemming off a cliff that it's so comical. When are you guys going to let go of the Obama skirt and start making something of yourselves? Welfare checks and food stamps are not going to help you...nor is Obamacare. Regardless of who's in office..they aren't going to help you pay your rent...mortgage...wages...etc. Do you think your mesiah is going to help you out of the predicatment your in....seriously???? Get a grip on reality...welcome to your real world. You guys are seriously not normal. Obama blew smoke up your yah yah just to get back into office...he's not your Genie in a bottle...that's what all politicians do and you fell for it....looney tunes.
If you are address Liberals you need to get you facts straight....
it is the Southern belly of America that is RED & SUCKS ENTITLEMENTS
they pay less in TAXES than the Feds send back....
the 47% you are addressing are Southern RWNJ'S & you can find them by following the WHINE & SUCKING SOUNDS coming from the GOP-TP-RWNJ-ROVE LOVERS .ALL you money & MOUTH couldn't keep a Kenyan Commie out of office....YOU FAILED AMERICA & your PARTY
take the responsibility, you OWN IT !!!
kathryn: Speaking of getting a grip on reality... You realize that the electorate chose President Obama for a second term, and that those professing to be Americans will do whatever they can to support whatever legislature that will get the US back on it's pre-2004 status?
Have you ever heard anyone call the President the 'messiah'? Other than those whom hate him for the most apparent reasons?
Obama is the ONLY president I EVER seen who ended up in a painting as Jesus on the cross. And that's just one the most obvious representations. And "messiah" is an appropriate term for someone whose "followers" seem to be absolutely and totally blind to his lies, shortcomings and pretty much total incompetence. I was happy when he was first elected. But after witnessing his performance, not so much. I don't give a whit which party he's with. He sucks as a president and the only reason he's there is because he's convinced a huge swath of uneducated minorities that he is specifically helping them. NOT.
Mitt is exactly where he belongs...out of the picture and in the has been catagory. Better get used to the idea GOP....until you "get it" this will be exactly how your Presidential elections will turn out in the future.
The people have spoken.
I guess they didn't speak very loud. The election regarding popular votes was fairly close. Hardly a mandate in my opinion. But the President won the election and he deserves to live in the White House for 4 more years and then we'll elect another President. And hopefully then we will elect a President who feels that hard work should be respected and rewarded. Not punished.
The people of the United States wanted a man who wants to govern ALL of it's citizens. Many stood in line to vote for up to 7 HOURS...WHAT does that tell you? Yip....Let's face it people, Tax cuts for the wealthy simply have not delivered what we were told they would in the Bush Era. The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different result. Going BACK to the FAILED Bush Policies that Romney embraces, is a recipe for DISASTER! ..... Where would we be now if the EXTREME Right Wing GOP was running the country right now?? SCAREY Thought!
The problem with your statement is that the Extreme Right Wing is not Right at all. They are Left. That is why they are losing and that is why we are in the trouble we are in. One thing to remember, we almost had a Balanced Budget Amendment to the Constitution during the Clinton Administration. It lost because one Democrat didn't vote for it. Do think he should have?
John Brown, what it tells me is how stupid do you have to be to not vote early? Standing in line for seven hours? This is what I mean about Democrats. Too stupid to make intellegent decisions. THOSE are the people who should NOT be able to vote.
Thats right John Brown, now you have your prseident that will "govern" you.
Actually, I think it was Republicans who did not tuirn out to vote which doomed them
And many of those people had to stand in line for several hours because their Republican governors shortened the time the polls were open. Those voters were not stupid, they were dedicated.
Now go ahead, spin me your voter fraud theories. I need a good fairy tale to put me to sleep.
john spurlock: Ever have an original thought?
Wouldn't help under the current situation even if it did pass. The senate hasn't passed a budget since 2009. Good thing the senate is controlled by the democrats. You know the party that's perfect. /sarcasm