Five people standing outside a grocery store on Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard in New Orleans were wounded in a drive-by shooting on Monday, police said.
None of the injuries was considered life-threatening, officials said.
The incident took place at the intersection of LaSalle Street and Martin Luther King Jr. Boulevard, police said.
Police Superintendent Ronal Serpas, who was among those who responded to the scene, told NBC station WDSU that six teenage boys or young men were outside a small grocery when a late-model white sedan drove past, with shots fired from inside the car.
The car then sped off.
A New Orleans Police Department official told the station that a surveillance camera captured the incident and that video recordings were being reviewed.
The violence happened shortly after New Orleans' annual parade honoring slain civil rights activist and nonviolence standard-bearer Martin Luther King Jr. passed through the neighborhood.
The irony was not lost on police or residents.
"It's ridiculous this violence happened on this day," one witness told WDSU.
"It's the state of affairs in our nation that young men do not heed the words of Martin Luther King Jr.," Serpas told the Times-Picayune, which also reported that the shooting did not appear to be linked to the parade.


Probably don't even know what day of the week this is, let alone that it is MLK day, clearly.
It's monday!!!!!!!!!! Drive-bys can hold till Friday peeps. Evidently these jackasses don't have a job.
Zebras can't change their stripes, no matter how much hair dye you donate. They will always revert back to their nature.
Yep, probably a bunch of white rednecks pissed off about MLK day and decided to let everyone know how much they hated it.
Yes Sandy....that must be the case.
"White rednecks" (your words) always run around shooting up city streets...lmfao.
FYI, Halloween has come and gone. Good time to take off the costume I'd say. Did a bad widdle "white redneck" steal your broom?...lol.
I'm sure I'll pay for that with a holiday but I couldn't resist...
Actually they do Troy if you follow the news from the southern states. They don't always shoot blacks. Sometimes they run them over with cars, recent news story, or beat them to death. Truth hurts.
We won't be told what color their skin was but, I'll bet they were democrats.
I don't know, the man was gunned down for trying to stand up for what's right. Is it so shocking that he is so poorly celebrated or appreciated in a country where we expect our leaders to do anything but what they should
already movin on Sandy....don't fall off the broom...lol.
It was Robert E. Lee's Birthday on the 19th January WAY before it was MLK day
Wasn't Robert E Lee a TRAITOR to the United States of America? Rhetorical question. :) We know he was.
Sandy, Missouri
There is scum in all races, and we turn a blind eye to that fact because it is not politically correct. You find it okay to call some "white rednecks" but do you call a black scum by what they are? Do you call asian scum out for what they are? .......... and so on.
Things will not change until we start accepting that and call scum, scum and deal with all of it with no special treatment paid to race.
All people are born the same, but are quick studies of environment. The sooner people accept the fact that there are different classes of people and some are not worthy of saving, the sooner things will change for the better.
Rednecks call themselves Rednecks and are proud of it. Blacks do not call themselves scum. Only a certain kind of person does that and they are not black. Your words say more about the type of person you are and your upbringing that you can imagine and it is not pretty.
Sandy, Missouri
Actually Sandy, I really don't give a flying @!$%# what you think of me. I despise most humans and think they are a plague on this world. And I wouldn't lose sleep if a few billion fell off the face of the earth. However, I do see a difference. There are moral and good in all races, but there is also bad and scum in all. Justifying and accepting their existence without doing anything about it says a lot about you.
You are presuming the black race has no bottom feeders which would be entirely wrong.Check out the number of homocides done by black youth in America before you try and lay claim to some shelf on your peity column.I been to maybe 12 different MLK avenues,boulevard and street,all of which were in areas I prefer not to drive through.There once was a beautiful named street in LA named Santa Barbara Blvd.It meandered through good and bad neighborhoods.Today,it has been renamed MLK Blvd and meanders through through mostly questionable neighborhoods ,some safe as long as the sun's up but not after dark.The good neighborhoods have been replaced with average neighborhoods because the violence got so bad on every part of the street,the good people fled and the trash moved in!
john:
"The sooner people accept the fact that there are different classes of people and some are not worthy of saving, the sooner things will change for the better."
" I despise most humans and think they are a plague on this world."
Good stuff - might want to get together with probusiness, and don't forget your sheet and cross.
Sandy;
Blacks do not call each other African American either, care to guess what they do call each other though?
Didn't think you would get that one, the answer is NI99ER, that's right, they know what each other are but do not want whitey pointing it out is the problem.
SDN
Did I somewhere state that only whites should be saved? I don't think so. The white race has just as much scum. Maybe you don't get it. Yes, I am racist, but against the human one, not one in particular.
Sandy you should hear what a lot of blacks call each other ITS FRICKIN DISGUSTING
Yes to his country but not to his state. In those days people would betray the country before they would betray their state. He was more honorable than most and would never abandon those that needed him the most. A sense of duty few understand today. Of course talking about traitors you should consider George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and just about everyone else in the Colonial era who betrayed their government which was England. So being a traitor isn't that bad if you win. It isn't who is a traitor as much as who wrote the history book.
Yeah Sandy.....EVERYONE knows any street named MLK Blvd is in a BAD neighborhood....white folks dont go there!
Since the article failed to mention the description of the shooter, I dont know how they expect to find him with no BOLO..........he must be black and NBC is covering up again!
Had he been white, it would have been FRONT PAGE title! Gotta race bait every chance they get!! Just look what they did to George Zimmerman!
Well, that is just they way they are and behave.
the reverend is correct in saying that this ridiculous on this day MLK ! but black on black crime is ridiculous ALL the time and instead of dealing with THAT problem, some how its everybody else problem !
a word of advice instead of blaming police and society about problems in the inner city, get your ass down there and get the community together and make PARENTS take responsibility for there children !
Chris Rock said it bes:." If you ever find yourself on MLK Blvd. in ANY city.......run!"
@Sandy, Missouri:
Sandy, how about you go far a walk after dark on MLK Blvd.? Do it in any city you choose. Afraid the rednecks will get you?
Freakin' bushwacker.
Sandy -
As a resident of the New Orleans area I can tell you that that area of the city is about 99% black. There may be a few hispanics (wetbacks) in the area, but caucasians (coonasses, but no rednecks) moved out of the run-down neighborhood ages ago. The neighborhood is riddled with drugs and crime in general, but you keep on with your ill-informed, racist rants - you just prove how stupid liberals really are.
I declare this "Sandy, Missouri Day", in remembrance of our beloved Sandy who got the @!$%# kicked out of her just for sayin "Rednecks did it in New Orleans". May she be in our memory from now until 8 PM!
Sandy, Do you have to take medicine for stupidity as severe as you have????
Didn't they hear...Obama proclaimed an end to gun violence.
john: I get it - your perspective is painfully apparent. Whom will be selecting which of us gets to stay?
I do agree that in the grand scheme of things, the human race is by far the worst species to foul the planet. No other species participate in institutionalized intercontinental murder and mayhem.
Just for fun, have a look at the 'Human Genome Project'. "In genetics there is no such thing as 'race'".
sorry Sandy , "white rednecks" would have been hollering out exactly what they were up do , it's leftist liberal racists like yourself that hide your feelings and project your thoughts onto others
tammy:
" There may be a few hispanics (wetbacks) in the area, but caucasians (coonasses, but no rednecks) moved out of the run-down neighborhood ages ago."
".. with your ill-informed, racist rants - you just prove how stupid liberals really are."
Are you kidding? God, I hope so. You have certainly proved something.
Sandy, Sandy, Sandy...
I'd say your heart is in the right place, but I don't think you have one. Your ignorance and blatant disregard for fact on SO MANY matters makes you a stain on society. You are scum. You sucker other very, very stupid people into arguments, and then you both commence to make each other dumber.
No one can hold a worthwhile conversation in your presence. You think you're a strong, educated woman... You're just a scared little girl who never decided to wake up and gather the facts before speaking.
It is better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
You are a fool.
In my neck of the woods, we only celebrate LEE/JACKSON Day on this particular Monday.
Ha-ha, notice how racist gits are always the most uneducated. "White" rednecks? As opposed to yellow, red or brown? Sandy, go back to your black panther party and quit spewing your moronic rants. The area where the shootings took place is almost entirely black. Smart money would be on the gunman being black. You twit!
Heyyyy!! Let's blame all assault rifles & high cap magazines again because we all know that these guns shoot people by themselves.... LOL...
@Sandy, Missouri
The fact that they didn't mention race and said that it probably didn't have any thing to do with the parade tells me without a doubt that it was a black on black shooting.
Had it been white shooters the PC media would have played it up for everything it was worth.
Get a life you dumb cnut.
Really? You should jump to any one of the New Orleans news web sites to check on the dailly killin's. They don't mention the race of the killah/shootah, they just publish his mug shot. The don't publish the race of the "victim." they just publish their mug shot. In New Orleans, the murder "rate" is the highest in the country by a multiple, but very little is racist. It's the same across the country; Chicago, Baltimore, Mempthis, Detroit, Harrisburg, Jackson, et al. Black on black killin's amount to more than half of the killin's in the country and even more of the shootin's.
People seem to forget MLKJr was a womanizer, too. He had a good message when he talked, but, behind closed doors, he still treated women like slaves....
I hear red neck being bandied about all the time. The ones that do this doesn't even know what a red neck is. I red neck was a group of minors in WV that went up against the coal mine owners. They wore red bandannas around their necks so they would know who was a friend in that dispute. Please don't throw around words when you have no idea what they mean.
SDN
I know this will raise a whole @!$%#e storm, but there used to be a thing called natural selection. Those that do eat, those that do not starve to death. There used to be diseases that would contain population, but now we have a drug industry making sure that can't happen. There used to be real wars where casualties were into the hundreds of thousands, now we have the US government stepping in to control the loss of life because of some "life is precious" philosophy. We have churches telling people to go forth and multiply, but what they really mean is go forth and multiply more of the same ideals.
So to answer your question, "Who gets to choose who stays?", I don't think anything will change until we are all living on the street, resources are gone, and we are all eating Soylent Green.
No paid day off for the MLK holiday for that bunch! (Unless they belong to a union or work for the gov't, of course).
troy:
"FYI, Halloween has come and gone. Good time to take off the costume I'd say. Did a bad widdle "white redneck" steal your broom?...lol."
The number of votes you've received reveals a good deal about the demographic you represent.
define "Irony" LOL
I was going to jump all over Sandy but I am happy to see that many have already taken care of that, wow her head is really in the clouds.
just my two cents, I've never heard of rednecks participating in "drive by's". I'm not sticking up for rednecks, but from the ones that I know, they don't usually go shooting people when they have a problem, they have more balls than that. usually they will just go beat the crap out of you, not be a pussy and pick up a gun...
Rev. Al Sharpton and Rev. Jesse Jackson are being awful quite on this one!!
THAT ALONE tells you the shooter was black, the victims were black....and they could care less about cleaning up
Folks-look at "SandyMissouri's" profile. She is a bonafide Obama supporter. That alone should explain a lot about her ignorant, racist posts.
john: Is your life 'precious' to you? How about your family? Your friends?
What would be your perspective had you been born black in Somalia, Angola, Mali etc? I was born a white male in the US to a middle class family - The Pinnacle of Luck - nothing more.
Perhaps 'civility' could be an alternate to social 'natural selection'. Mutual respect, perhaps. Equal rights and opportunity. Birth control. A sense of (world community) with common, constructive goals.
Don't give up on us - we're better than anarchy - or could be. You are, I am.
WAITWAITWAIT!!!....Why didn't they mention race like they have in 3 other shooting incidents done by white people? That's odd. I guess these guys probably used a bushmaster because it is the pinnacle in evil weaponry and so commonly used in shootings. Do I really need a sarc tag, or is the hipocracy of this article evident?
For Sandy and other guilty liberals.
Crime Rates
Interracial Crime
who:
"..Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate." I guess that's conclusive evidence with respect to whom we should, and should not, deport from our shores.
Define 'liberal'.
So, if MLK day is so important, why don't we ALL get the day off???
What a crazy lunatic!
SAndy, let me give you a little "edumacation"...Many blacks refer to themselves as the "N" word. Both blacks and whites have people within their racial classes who aren't worthy of the life they have been given. To paint this broad stroke which you portray is just damn ignorant!
Matter of fact, you're as ignorant as any redneck I've ever come across!
MLK would be very offended to see what the black race has made of themselves with the freedoms he won for them
Sandy is one of those girls at the party you wish you never started a conversation with.
Are you that dumb?
Only around 5 % of people in the US are Asian... So if they are only committing crimes at a quarter of the rate then they are committing a lot of crimes. There are 12 times the number of white Americans to Asian Americans. Yet you say they are only committing crimes at a quarter of the rate of whites????
GO BACK TO SCHOOL!
SDN
I agree with most of what you state. And yes, to me life is precious, however, to me, unless you are a stand up citizen who works for the betterment of society instead of tearing it down, yours is not. And in reality, if you are not, it is statistically proven that neither will your children be.
The fact of the matter is that is the opposite direction we are heading. I agree with birth control. It should be free, birth control, abortions and sterilization. As it is now we are perpetuating the breeding of poor. And the fact of the matter is that the poor are the majority of the crime in society.
The average middle and upper class has 2.3 children. The lower classes have 5 or 6 with multiple partners that are not around to educate or pay for their progeny. Extrapolate that out ten generations. We have created a world where those that "do" pay for those "that refuse to" and get paid not to.
In order to have constructive goals there would have to be a consensus. First, that there is a problem, and secondly, a solution. As it is now, we just throw money at the problem so they don't break into our homes and rob and kill us in our sleep. We spent a trillion dollars last year on welfare and healthcare for welfare. That is $3,300 for every man, woman, and child in the US. Throwing more money at the problem will only make matters worse.
SDN, just to be a troll. In genetics you CAN see race. Ever hear of Tay-Sachs or sickle cell? Certainly there is alot of gray area, and I doubt that few people are as racially pure as they think that they are (regardless of their color) but to assume that there are no genetic differences between races on this planet when a person can tell another's ancestry just by the color of their skin and be mostly correct is absurd. Remember, genetics isn't all about A's, C's, G's, and T's. Expression is often the most important determinant of genetic variation.
I was born and raised in new orleans and it's not the same city as it once was. However, everyone is talking about the race issue and I can assure you it's not about black and white, it's about class. The educated against the uneducated. Unfortunately, many young black men are ignorant due to school systems, lack of parental guidance and poverty beyond belief. Often, this leads to a career of crime and most do not understand the consequences of violence. So very sad
In the words of Chris Rock: Martin Luther King stood for non-violence. I don't care where you are in America, if you are on a Martin Luther King Drive, there's bound to be some violence going on!
Did all of ya'll get this upset over all of the shootings on "Gun Appreciation Day". Lots of shooting and killings and even a few at gun shows.
Robert E. Lee is the only commander in the history of a military force that was first offered the command of the opposing army. When Lincoln personally asked him to command the Union troops he told the president, "As Virginia goes, so will I."
Robert E. Lee is the only man in history who was offered the Presidency of a country and declined the honor because he felt he was needed more on the battlefield, in front with the troops.
Robert E. Lee is the only graduate in the history of West Point who did so without a single demerit on his record. He holds that record to this day.
Robert E Lee is still recognized by historians as a brilliant military genius, and if a courier taking battle plans had not carelessly dropped those plans in a field, later to be found by Union troops, the war would have had a decidedly different turn.
Abraham Lincoln, President of the United States during the Conflict of Northern Aggression, never branded Robert E. Lee nor any person of the Southern States as traitors.
He was enjoying a musical at a theatre when told that General Lee had surrendered to General Grant, and requested that the entertainers sing the song "Dixie" in honor of the Southern troops and all they had fought for and believed.
Out trained, out manned, out gunned, nevertheless it took four years for the Northern forces to defeat the South when they proclaimed they would do it in less than a month.
You can talk your talk but you can't walk the walk. We will survive and we don't give a damn.
Yo sandy, heard any blonde jokes lately.....
Cowards!
The people who did this drive by shooting are nothing but cowards period.
They would never have gotten out of the car and started any trouble without having a gun. The gun used is most likely a stolen firearm and we know again that everyone in that car was a criminal even before this happened.
We need a better way of dealing with these so called people (no matter what color their skin is) when they break the law period. Our prisons aren't enough or a deterrent anymore, plus they keep getting let out early without doing there full term. Whats the point of having a sentence passed on someone and then it isn't followed through with fully?
I could go on and on about this like many have and will continue to do but it will not do any good here or anywhere else. An eye for an eye does seem to me at least to be a good start. Any other ideas people?
Myself, I don't think conservatives are particularly bright. Getting their "news" from Fox, who admits they are not a news network, voting for a lame candidate for POTUS who, according to his son, didn't want the job (sour grapes?), losing seats in Congress because they nominate candidates who are whack jobs (Akin, Mourdock, Angle, O'Donnell, etc.), have an "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude even though every poll shows them in the minority, the only part of a branch of Government, the House, that is Republican (conservative) controlled has lower favorability ratings than root canals and cockroaches...shall I continue?
Sandy
All those so called white rednecks were at work today and didn't call insick like so many others did based on their racial entittlements.
You silly people, didn't you know in urban code MLK Blvd. means get your drugs here.
Also known as Crackhead Blvd to the locals.
This is the real problem Obama needs to address. The neighborhood in Chicago he represented as a state representation is the murder capital of America. Violence in the Black community is out of control. Don't expect Obama to get involved. He's reveling in the white side of his life...
Gee, I wonder why if having mandatory gun laws would have made a damned bit of difference in this situation! This is why you usually hear about gun violence when it involves children or white people! When it is black on black crime in liberal, inner-cities, there is a strange quiet. The reason is that liberals believe that they are the smartest in the room and cannot believe that any of their "local citizens" could ever commit violence and if they do, it must be because of the evil "Tea Party" or some other conservative who caused them to commit crimes! Another group of victims: Tea Party/Conservative enabled!
Hey guys SANDY is MEL SCHMIDT. He is a TRANSVESTITE. flat out hates non gay and lesbians.Sandy is his tranny name----he spews crap---he has been doing this since like 1994??
No one knows what this is related to; race baiting is stating it happened on a certain street with a certain name when none knows any about the neighborhood, about the area, about the color of those involved (as if it matters, really), about whether or not those shooting had been looking for those shot, drug problems, ..... (insert whatever else you can imagine here).
This, unfortunately, happens and more often than is reported, on other days, on other streets, and in my local area alone there are 4 different MLK boulevards within an hours driving distance from my home.
Seems the media is pretty keen on delivering the race baiting issues, and johhny q. public is, for the most part, fairly appetitic to eat it up and regurgitate it.
Is it possible that race and the day are related? Certainly, to some degreee... but so is the chance that I'll see a decent, sustainable American economy and be comfortable in a career choice with Real Representatives on the Hill.
Not holding my breath either way.....
Lovely. "Martin Luther King, Jr. Day" is just a vehicle for some of you to 'double-up' on your typical, daily, racist and bigoted rants.
Well, OK. Ours is a nation of free speech and free expression, so we will continue to defend your right to make complete asses of yourselves in the eyes of all of your more civil and much better-informed fellow citizens.
And we have no doubt at all that you folks will simply persist with your intolerant, ignorant rhetoric (embarrassing your families and friends) and will fail to grow at all as people, as citizens, nor gain any insight at all into your own dark souls.
I Really do know how Bright Liberals are. I know because every liberal I've ever asked told me so. They are much smarter than everyone else about politics, science and religion (or lack thereof) and they all get their information from MSNBC, the DailyKos and Mediamatters and really brilliant people like Rachel Maddow and Oprah Winfrey, Michael Moore and Krugman. They also know what is best for you to do with your money and what to spend tax dollars on, whether they pay any or not. I know because I have tried to convince them otherwise and they have always told me that they are right and I am totally wrong, regardless of how much government assistance they are receiving or how many illegitimate children they have. And they have re-elected a president with the worse record on foreign policy, domestic policy, and economics in the history of the United States. But I will trust them because they are liberal democrats and they say that they are right about everything and know more about these real issues like politics, science, immigration, climate change and religion than anyone else so they must be right, because after all, they SAY SO!!
"DAWG POUND
Are you that dumb?"
Irony is delicious.
The key word is rate. That means number divided by something, presumably number of crimes per 100k people. That is because some smart people already realized the same problem you pointed out, that the size of the population matters. And corrected for it.
Hence if there are 12x more white people than asian people, you'd be as likely to find to find a criminal in a group of 48 asian people as you would in a group of 12 white people. Alternatively, in a population of 576 white people and 48 asian people, if there is one crime commited by an asian, there is likely 48 crimes commited by the white people.
Who cares?, its just weeding out day. Keep on going.
It must also be Ignorant Racist Day, as well, judging by the posts on this site.
SDN -
Evidently you've led a very sheltered life. I pity you for that as you are unfamiliar with the real world.
You are in for a very rude awakening when you do join the real world.
By the way, you seem to be just as much of a liberal as Sandy. Seek help, you need it.
@whocare-2068344 lets take a look at the white crimes from the past 200 years...
AMERICA- cheyennt massacre-fort laramie massacre-tusla oklahona and black wall street-total murder of the pequot indians-detriot riots in the 20s 30s and 40s-trail of tears,kent state shootings-btk serial killer-green river serial killer,atlanttas missing children (im from atlanta and we all know that the kkk did these crimes not wayne williams)-walton county murders of the 40s-MISSISSIPPI need i say more-hangings in the promise land in gwinnett county ga (which martin luther king was talking about when he spoke of the promise land in his speech)-murder of the aztecs and incas-and so so much more it would take to much time
AFRICA- sharpesville massacre-colonization of millions of people-catholic church introducing AIDS saying they were giving people flu vaccines-zulu campaigns-war between portugal and queen nzinga of angola-giving both sides of an agreement arms so they could murder eachother-invasion starting with alexzander the macedon of egypt-murder to the totopi tribe of zimbabwe-aparthid-and so so much more it would take to much time
ASIA-use of agent orange in vietnam-bombay campaign-atomic bomb in 2 japnesse cities-murder of 1000s of native indians-murder and torture to gain control of hong kong-korean war-imprisonment of millions of original inhabitants of australia-spread of sars through out china and so so much ore it would take to long
europe-inqustion-100 years war-war of the roses-world war 1 and 2-murder of the irish-german death squads roming free-rape and plunder of millions in poland-napoleonic wars-and so much more it would take to long
nature-total extiction of the dodo birds-tazmanian tigers-blue whales-bald eagles-american buffalos-rain forrest-black harrings-global warming-destroying our oceans and streams-destroying our atmosphere and so much more it would take to long
im with sandy_missouri it was more than likely some crazy white guys who like like always pick on black teenagers and never grown men who they know are strapped and will knock their brains on the curb...
And I'll wager they all looked like MLK too.
At a complete loss for any other answer, there will be posts screeching racism for any daring to notice this sordid little fact.
Why doesn't anyone mention today's shootings on the streets of Chicago?
Folks, easy there. This is a big day...historic. I am still celebrating.
You all did know that this is National Squirrel Appreciation Day, right?
It is perfect in so many ways!!!
"The squirrels and nuts have won the day!!!"
well they all had bullet holes...
It was a drive-by shooting. Occam's razor says the perps were black, as in two of the most famous drive-by shootings were the murders of Tupac Shakur on September 13, 1996, and The Notorious B.I.G. on March 9, 1997. I take it you are a black racist, Sandy?
ROFLMAO....
So clever of Congress to make Martin Luther King Day on top of Robert E. Lee's birthday so that everyone could enjoy the holiday without any anyone being slighted or offended....
hey sandy, do you know what the #1 killers of young black men are?????????????well???? it's other young black men. it's about an 85% ratio give or take a point. so yes the (rednecks) have killed some as wrong as that is. but that is only a small number of rednecks. per say. not all rednecks are what you say they are. Robert E Lee was not a traitor. maybe you should try reading up on some history, and current events before you jump out of the frying pan and into the fire. i know you are really trying hard to not be a (racist) but you are definitely doing well in the idiot department........wow...
Sandy I happen to agree with you.. Shocker black guys shot on MLK blvd, on MLK day.. Seems you pissed off a bunch of racists white rednecks.. They went as far as to collapse you and troll on with racists remarks and some how someone through in politics and guns.. Sandy don't play with the trolls, they are disgusting vile creatures that lurk around waiting for someone to ignite their fuse. I gave you thumbs up on your post..
calico, since it does not say WHO did the shooting but it was in new orleans and since that city is 89% black the likely hood of it being (racist white rednecks) is highly unlikely. so her's is a pointless statement and not a very good one. oh well. somebody has to be clueless.
"If a friend calls you on the telephone and says they're lost on Martin Luther King Boulevard and they want to know what they should do, tell them ‘Run!’" - Chris Rock
BTW, Sandy, for some odd reason, crime statistics never count all of those "white rednecks" shooting people that you claim to be witnessing.... somewhere.
Sorry. Had to create another comment just to get the McDonald's ad out of my way, so I could finally edit the earlier comment.
Blacks commit violent crime 6 times more often than whites, and murder 10 times more often. Blacks also murder whites more than 20 times as often as whites murder blacks.
Chief Serpas, probably without intending to do so, explains in the last sentence of the story just why all the huffing and puffing in DC about guns is likely to achieve nothing positive. It's our culture that has decayed. Serpas says it's a shame young men don't heed the words of MLK. But why should they? The "adults" supposedly running the nation don't seem to heed MLK's words either. Do we judge a man by the color of his skin, or the content of his character?
It's not a trick question. And you can expand the question to cover all sorts of other situations--women, handicapped people, blue-collar workers, etc--and still find yourself wondering when we will begin to see people for what they are rather than for how they look. Our president sees people as belonging to aggrieved groups, or to oppressive groups. Victims, or victimizers. And so on. Government by its very nature MUST view people this way rather than as individuals. It can't care about you as an individual--there just isn't enough time in the day for the government to work this way.
So we become detached and isolated, anonymous and narcississtic. Life means little even to some of the people who today claim to care about life above all else. So who cares if 5 black people in a crappy part of the country find themselves shot? Who cares if 10 people a week are killed in Chicago? Who cares?
One more question...Have more than just a few people in the USA actually read anything about world history to see how this little experiment plays out? The Rise and Fall of the Roman Empire maybe? Alexander Tytler's observations about the life-cycle of democracy? Plato's Republic? We are going a bad way, and have been for many years, but we just flipped the NO2 on and floored the accelerator.
I really do wish the media would dispense with the practice of embedding posters like Sandy and Feisty from Ros something Ill. these phonies just piss people off and that is the last thing we need is for the media to set out to piss people off, people are pissed off to begin with. its the media that will destroy the world, the media controls social media and the media manipulates how people think and they also know where you live. because we were dumb enough to give them a E-Mail address weren't we. we have enough stupid people without adding the plants and professional trolls. the reason I know is obviois no one can be as stupid as some of these post suggest. its just not possible. people will post with or without media assistance, so let the people post. and let the media stick to reporting.
Exasperated, you probably also know that whites are more likely to be murdered by other whites than by blacks, and that blacks are more likely to be murdered by other blacks than by any other demographic group. You're also aware that whites are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol than their black counterparts, but are half as likely to be arrested and serve significant jail time for said abuses. We know white males are more likely than any other group to hoarde guns, and are overwhelmingly the perpetrators of mass gun violence and hate crimes. And we all know white males are more prone to drunk driving, both as teens and adults, than any other group and are so likely to be involved in either serial killings or child sexual assaults as to be profilable stereotypes themselves for the purposes of investigation.
So yeah, blacks and gun violence does seem pretty much predictable. But I'm not doing it, so it don't bother me anymore than all those white child molesters, serial killers, arsonists, meth heads, paint huffers, white collar criminal and tax cheats, trailer park welfare queens and "Shameless" wannebes, and elementary school shooters bother your narrow azzes. C'est la vie, n'es pas!
Now go watch some "Hillbilly Handfishin'" or "Honey Boo Boo" or some goofy crap like that
All those white killers like the DC sniper and his accomplice?
The story said:
That was never more true than the day appx. 97% of blacks voted to re-elect Barack Obama as president. MLK said to judge the person by the content of his character, not the color of his skin. Blacks voted for him solely because he was black, certainly not because of his horrible record. If Romney was black and Obama white, the situation would have been reversed, no doubt. Under his watch, Obama did NOTHING to help blacks as evidenced by black unemployment reaching an all-time high and is now around 14%, and much higher for younger blacks. His policies, specifically Obamacare, will hurt black employment even more as companies cut full time workers. Hope you are happy.
... you beat me to it. I believe you hit the nail on the head with this FedUp...!
I think it shows us all the change that obama has brought to MLK day..
"Martin Luther King stood for non-violence. I don't care where you at in America, if you on MLK blvd there's some violence going down." - Chris Rock "Bigger & Blacker" 1999.
The impression thatI am getting from many of the posts is that MLK Blvd means Most Likely Killed Blvd.
People should find it ironic that blacks hate what the whites have done to them and how whites keep them so repressed that they take to killing each other.
GM Miss Mimi- I never thought of it that way lol thanks for the laugh!
LOL! - You simply can't write stuff this good.
MLK would want to vomit if he knew what his "people" have done with the rights he fought so hard for.
NolaTom - Couldn't have said it any better. You are dead on the mark . . . unfortunately.
And it's crazy too, because I swear I've never seen so many stupid smart people in one place in my life, as one would encounter at any gathering of Democrats.
Republicans don't exactly get high marks for intelligence either but here's the difference for better or for worse: Republicans fight for what they believe because they put the best interests of the country first. Democrats fight for what they believe because they put their own best interests first, and couldn't care less how it affects the country in the long-term.
I'll say it again: dumbest smart people you'll ever meet, and proof positive that an education DOES NOT equate to functional intelligence.
you got that right................carry. i have this incredible education at harvard, but lack the common sense to just exactly what to do with it!
When in an unfamiliar city and you want excitement, just motor over to MLK Blvd or Ave. Unfortunate, but true.
As the famous black comedian Chris Rock says "You know what's sad? Martin Luther King stood for non violence. And I don't care where you are in America, if you're on Martin Luther King Boulevard, there's some violence going down."
Never be a lone person on any MLK road in this country. I worked in Gary, IN and it does not matter what color you are you will get messed with.
Name the two streets in America with the highest crime rate:
MLK BLVD
and
Malcom X BLVD
So now maybe we should have a new law that increases the incarceration time if the street the crime occured at was named after a person "not-white"?
ROFL
old fat guy-1144960 ....(#2.3)...."
Name the two streets in America with the highest crime rate:
MLK BLVD
and
Malcom X BLVD"
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The solution is so obviously simple.....
Just ban MLK and Malcom X Blvd's everywhere.....Problem solved !!!
Lucky us in Albuquerque, NM. Not only do we have a Doctor Martin Luther King Boulevard Northeast but we have an Avenida Caesar Chavez SE.
Culture of violence folks, and it is not getting better under Obama. Its getting worse.
Mike- why would we want to do that? If we banned MLK blvd's then us people who don't want to get shot/ stabbed up won't know which streets to avoid because then the loser's of the world will be all over the place. LOL :)
I thought they named these MLK streets so you would know which part of town to avoid. Seems like they are always in a bad part of town.
(Call to friend):
"I'm lost and not sure where I am".
Friend says "what street are you on?".
"I am on Martin Luther King Blvd".
Friend says "WHAT?!?!? DRIVE!! DRIVE!! GET OUT OF THERE!! DRIVE ANYWHERE!! GO!! IF YOU WANT TO LIVE GET OUT OF THERE!!"
Are you all so stupid as to diminsh what MLK accomplished because there are streets named after him or because he liked women? Really? Its Texans and inbred southerners who would rather have George Bush as President because(as far as we know) he kept his doo-dad in his shorts as opposed to someone like Clinton who just happened to be one of the most effective Presidents in our history. Jesus told us not to trust the Pharisees which would be most of the idiots up on stage during the Republican Primaries. They sure hate Clinton but they sure loved Hermain Cain!
Randumb,
You are so stupid that you surmised the brainless post at #3.2 as to what UDunnoBro and ProBusiness were talking about? No one diminished JFK's accomplishments. They were talking about how the areas named after him are bad parts of town and how he would be ashamed to see what those communities look like today. Grow up, put on your big boy pants and stop with the soap box rantings about the mean eeeeevil Republicans.
Easy there , ChefEric13, .....Nobody's talking about JFK.....
Damn. Stupid auto correct. I meant MLK.
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there just in the part of town your to pussy to venture
gen-and you're too stupid to fix
And let's all remember, guns are NOT any part of this problem, right, conservatives and NRA? That's it, just keep trying to tell people that they're not really seeing and feeling what they're actually seeing and feeling. See where that gets you.
Mike, and your fix would be what??? If you kill someone you go to jail but people still do it. Use a gun when you kill someone and you tack on extra time to the sentence but people still do it. They tried restricting guns in England, but gun violence went up because now the criminals are the only people with guns. Why don't you look at the rate of gun violence in Israel, were many people have guns?
You're absolutely correct, Mike. When guns can drive a car and fire themselves, maybe your argument would make more sense.
Of course, without guns, the same individuals could simply drive by and throw molotov cocktails, but they are generally harder to aim, thank God.
Do guns make it easier for bad people to do bad things? Yes. Will bad people do bad things without guns? Yes.
Unfortunately we can't seem to get rid of bad people, so getting rid of guns will likely lower the amount of damage they can do.
But wait, getting rid of guns won't do it, getting rid of the guns THEY are using might be a better answer, yes?
So, if we ban assault rifles, ban clips larger than 10 bullets, and implement universal background checks, that will remove the guns from bad people, right?
Granted, banning assault rifles, clips larger than 10 bullets, and implementing universal background checks may or may not be a good idea. I don't even have an opinion on that.
But please don't try to convince me, others, or even yourself that any of those things will remove the guns from bad people. If bad people were nice, law abiding citizens, they probably wouldn't be doing drive by shootings, now would they?
Clearly Mike has a terrible grasp on reality.
He obviously thinks guns indeed drive cars and fire themselves memphian.
Evidently he is not "seeing and feeling" the person with the gun....probably the weed....lay off dude!
clearly we need a worldwide ban on guns, the only people carrying guns would be the police and military, I foresee nothing bad coming from this
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/britain-records-18-fall-in-gun-deaths-1232069.html
I think if you actually looked at those gun crime numbers you are talking about in percentages Gary you would see that UK gun problems are miniscule compared to the wild west USA.
Right on Michael, dude nothin' bad ever happen to people who don't have a way to defend themselves. (Inhale, c'mon hold it, hold it, hold it just a little bit longer) whew-exhale.
Victims of Violent Crime in the UK: 31/1000
Victims of Violent Crime in the US: 16.9/1000
Still want to hold the UK up as an example?
This country has a big problem, a people problem. However addressing the serious people problem would be very hard, so, lets do something easy, like guns. Make more gun laws, get nothing done other than create a warm fuzzy feeling of false security, which does nothing, nothing at all. But, it is the easy way out and there are those who will fall for it. It's the PEOPLE,,, people, think.
Funny how the NRA comes up when a CRIMINAL uses a firearm...... if you were to check the background of NRA members you'd find Presidents, actors, corporate CEOs, farmers, ranchers, mothers, fathers, college students, sons, daughters, and a vast array of law-abiding citizens... the ones you WON'T find...... CRIMINALS.....
Liberal bias = BIGOTED, INTOLERANT, RACIST
steve: Really? Not a single criminal? Really? As long as we're in fiction mode, define 'liberal' while you're at it.
and in the beginning God had to ban rocks after Cain slew Able ?????
How much you want to bet that the guns used were not acquired legally?
It can't be that guns are a deterent for violent crimes, could it?
Only the police and military should have guns? What a wonderful idea. I mean, worldwide there were 8.5M civilian murders last century. Governments on the other had only killed 150M of their own people last century...not including wars which brings it to at least 250M. SMH, some people couldn't think if their life depended on it.
This country has a gang problem, which is the result of a illegitimacy problem. The causes of violence are well researched and have nothing to do with material objects.
what kind of psychobabble is that
To getojoboy.... You would in fact find a white person....really you would find plenty of white people within 10 miles of that place, it is 9 blocks away from prestigous St. Charles Ave, where Mardi Gras and Mansion reside. Please check your facts before you post....As a matter of fact the movie Looper starring Bruce Willis was filmed 2 blocks from where the shootings occured... which is in the Melphomene Project aka "The Melph"... The ghetto is not a place it is a state of mind. Ignorance is apart of every culture ....that point is made clear by most of the posts made by individuals who assume they know everything, when they actually know nothing. I'm pretty sure the principal, teachers and students who were killed senselessly in Conn. were not on MLK... How about praying for the individuals who survived and praying for the lost souls that committed this awful crime. Oh by the way... I have been on MLK Boulevard more times than you can count...and I survived... There are many families that are brought up in love, even in these neighborhoods. One of the best views of the New Orleans CBD skyline can be seen unobstructed from this very same neighbor... Talk about irony...The Audacity of Black Hope is defined by the individuals that make it out. I think Martin Luther King Jr. would be proud of the pheonix that arises from those ashes.
N'awlin's -
It's on the other side of Dryades. If you're on that side of Dryades, it's a bad neighborhood. So, while you would find caucasians within 10 miles of that place, I doubt you will find caucasians off of Dryades heading toward LaSalle.
Face it, it's about 10 miles from the Mississippi to Lake Ponchartrain, so it's a given that caucasians are within 10 miles. Perhaps you should check your facts before you post so that you don't make a fool of yourself.
By the way, I live in Jefferson Parish and have no desire to live in Orleans Parish. Higher taxes, crime, and the like are definitely not conducive to attracting good citizens.
And now the weather.
I'm sure those guns were obtained legally! LOL
It is a good thing the government is going to put more restrictions on guns. Many lives will be saved.
the restricitions will only effect the people who handle them correctly in the first place. they will not curb violence in the least bit.
Just keeping it real.
I have a dream. Two parent households where the parents have some control of the children, drugs are not in the environment and getting MLK Day off from school would have some meaning and community enrichment. That is right. Just a dream.
Unfortunately the perps in this crime probably dropped out of school years ago or go whenever they feel like it. They don't need a holiday to have free time on their hands. If people can't feed their kids or control them they shouldn't be breeding them.
I remember going to high school in Chicago in the 80's when states were making MLK's birthday a holiday. I remember Illinois making it a holiday. I remember on this holiday my Black *ss was in school!!!! No my school wasn't a predominantly white school with a white principal. Quite the contrary!! It was an all Black school with a Black principal in the ghetto on the westside of Chicago. We would have an assembly to celebrate MLK, but our principal who marched with MLK would tell us that he thought Dr. King would rather us celebrate his birthday in school receiving an education, instead of a day off watching tv or getting into all kinds of mischief. I can't help but to wonder with a heavy heart, just how many of the youth today really know who MLK is and what he stood for? I wonder how many older people for that matter know. To imagine, Black students in school on MLK Day learning!!! Who woulda thunk it?!
Martin Luther King had a dream. We have a nightmare.
Pandy, I salute your principal! He sounds like the kind of man that MLK would have prefered running a school. I really think that politicians, on both sides of the aisle, could do worse than listening to such a man!
i respect MLK in a great way....why? because he stood up for what he believed in and knew that with all the death threats that someone would eventually make good. that did not stop him. he was willing to give his life fighting for what he believed in. if obummer was half the man MLK was we would be in a hell of a lot better shape for sure. for the record .....i am white.....
Anyone from Arizona remember Gov Mecham(Rep)? When arizona was debating whether to make MLK day a holiday his reply was "the last thing those people need is another day off of work". The comment made him wildly popular with his republican constituincy.
I have a chicken or egg style question..
Which came first, the Bad neighborhood or the MLK Boulevard?
TFNJ
I have a chicken or egg style question..
Which came first, the Bad neighborhood or the MLK Boulevard?
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TFNJ, don't know the answer to your question, but I do know that our mama and her brother, which is your father, should have aborted your azz, I know that!!
TFNJ -
Actually, it was the bad neighborhood that came first in this case. The boulevard used to be called Melpomene Street.
Thank you Don.
I live in DC. We have a MLK and a Malcolm X. They intesect in a section of town that was known for gangs and violence long before they named the streets, And BTW, contrary to what many believe, there are plenty of neighboorhoods in DC both predominately white and black which are safe. The intersection of malcom x amd mlk just is not one of them
Thank you. It was the same in the area I grew up in, Jersey City NJ. On a long stretch of what is considered bad neighborhood, the street became known as MLK Boulevard. I forget what it was called previously.
They're animals anyway, so let them lose their souls.
I know that line. The Godfather 1, during the meeting of the 5 families.
I bet MLK is flipping in his grave, not to mention other Blacks throughout history who have fought for our rights!!! I know I will be bombarded with names, but I don't give a damn!!! Some of us are not ready to be free and some of us would be better if back on da plantation!!!! I hold my head down in shame to see how some of us in the 21st century are nothing but ignorant, hedonistic, savages! We have a Black president sworn in for his second term and fools are still accusing this country of being racist and keeping them down. Are you *ucking kidding me? What really upsets me is when movie stars, athletes and such who have succeeded quite well in this "white man's land" have the audacity to bash this country and act like they are one generation removed from slavery. Perhaps, if we as a people would put down the video games, the 40's, the pipe and such and pick up a book or Kindle or research on the internet, we would discover that slavery is not only unique to our race, but it is not the only chapter in our history. Further, educating ourselves about other peoples and other countries would help us to better appreciate how great this country is. Show me one country that did not enslave, did not war with others, did not oppress and do as this country did. Come on people educate yourselves, travel and study other cultures, then and only then will you see how self defeating and a waste of time it is to keep playing victim and blaming others for your predicament. Because after it is all said and done, as you continue to blame others for living in your Section 8 house, depending on your food stamps and calling to check if the goberment has put money on your EBT card, those who are responsible and paying their bills and educating their children, whether Black or white will continue to look at you as an oddity and drain on this society. This is directed to those folks who fit this description for generation after generation. Enough already. God bless America!!!!!
Thank you.
Pandy, you couldn't have put it into better words, thank you. It reminds me of a Dr. I watched on tv a couple of years ago. I'm sorry to say, I don't recall his name. But his insight, intelligence, & comments were unparalleled. And his message was the same as yours.
I agree with you completely Pandy.
Pandy:
You must be one of those "house slaves". Might want to come from underneath your master and take a look around.
Well said Pandy
Shon--and you must be one of those dropout crackheads whose a big "boy" when he's got a gun in his hands. Pandy called it like it is, and you're too much of a punk to understand.
Shon, I am neither a house or field slave considering I work two jobs, six days a week!!!Again, slavery was abolished centuries ago. You are exactly who I am talking about. Because I speak the truth I gots to be a slave, huh? Spoken like a true daft sod!!!! Get a life Shon, go read a book or something because you can't be too bright accusing me of being a slave simply because I speak the truth. I bet your Mom is proud!
Pandy hits the nail square on the head !
Pandy, if you ever run for office where I can vote for you, even though I am a white, conservative, I would really consider it! I appreciate people who can think for themselves!
BTW, Pandy, my grandmother marched in Selma, was arrested, and then went to one of the police officer's houses (she knew his mother) and made him apologize! I really think she would have liked someone like you!
Pandy:
I have read many books. I also have eyes to see. "House slave" concerning you was meant to convey your mentality, not your physical being. However, if you say you work 2 jobs, though commendable it would seem that you are indeed a slave to something.
Richard,
I am the mother of six my oldest just started college this year. I don't own a gun nor have i ever used crack. I do believe that responsible people should have the right to own any kind of gun they see fit to have. Not sure what that has to do with my post though.
Just because i wish for something to be one way doesn't mean that it is or will be. I think both of you should think on that a bit.
My mentality? Speaking the truth from what I have seen and what I have experienced warrants you calling me a "house slave?" Boy, you sure are obsessed with the word "slave", eh? I work two jobs so I can afford the things I enjoy in this life. If the truth be known, in spite of my working two jobs, I bet my life is more fulfilling and complete than those who work 40 hours a week with more "free time". Further, it is my choice and considering what opportunities working as such has afforded me, I am far from being a slave!!! Again, I am confused as to why you would accuse me of being a house slave. As far as thinking on your last comment.....why, it makes no sense!!!
the slavery still exist in the vast mayority of citizens, everybody is slave for money to the system we need work hard, pay taxes for support with them to the lazys with welfare, Secction8, SSE, WIC, etc. only this chosen people are not slaves
Pandy, the problem today is that there is a large segment of liberals that believe that you must believe exactly the same way they do! This is a problem with the diversity of race, culture, and education we have in this country. It is incredibly miopic of the extreme leftists, as well as some in the extreme right, to assume that you must agree with ALL of their views just because of your skin color! This is absolutely the worst kind of "racial profiling"!
standing ovation pandy...................you are one class act .
Dan that is unfortunate, not to mention self defeating!!! Sorry, but I refuse to go out like that especially when the belief system is terribly flawed. I still want to know how I have a house slave mentality!!!! To think more about that, what the hell does that even mean? I know it is supposed to be an insult, but what sense does it make? My people, my people.......
Thanks Kilroy!!!!
Ja-Quan, La-Quint, Rasheem, ..........typical. Go to any MLK in any city.Thats what you get. And, guess what folks.....take away the mass shootings and all, and you ain't touched Chicago, Philadelphia, "Dee-troit".............
And it would be logical on WHAT DAY????
Low life scum bag gang bangers in all probability don't know what day of the week it is to begin with. It's just another day that the sun rises and sets.
Tonyj77 and Sandy, Missouri banned for wishing genocide on an entire race of people.
Find another site.
Young men of that type do not heed the words of anybody probably due to the fact they can't read the words. This is the bottom of the barrel of society who do what they want with anyone. They have no respect for themselves nor anybody else. Life is cheap in the hood.
they can sure count those "Benjamins" though, can't they?
guns had nothing to do with it.....
Yeah that kid could have thrown ninja darts from his car too, guns ain't @!$%#
You guys can be smart asses all you like. But the guns weren't the cause. Guns are inanimate objects incapable of doing anything on their own. They are also incapable of making anyone do anything.
If you're willing to:
1. Go to a school & gun down 26 people
2. Drive by & randomly gun down random people
3. Take a gun & kill your wife/ex-wife/girlfriend/ex-girlfriend/husband/ex-husband/boyfriend/ex-boyfriend/friend/other relative/co-worker etc...
you have mental problems/you're not wired right.
What is the common denominator? No, it isn't the guns. It is that all of the people who are willing to kill without a second thought have mental issues & obviously no empathy for others.
You can only restrict/ban/take away guns from people who are willing to abide by the laws. Criminals could care less about rules/laws & will always find a way to acquire guns. Disarm the law abiding & you will just make them sitting ducks for criminals.
If you're going to light a fire, would you rather use a bic, or a couple sticks?
@ SDN
No one said that guns don't make killing someone easier compared to killing people with other weapons/objects. However, if you want to fix the problem you have to get to the root cause & guns are not the root cause of people acting out violently.
one:
Neither did I. It was a simple, explicit question. You'll have to own the subjective interpretations.
Of course they aren't - they simply facilitate the mayhem. I'd rather the socially challenged and those with perpetual anger management problems weren't armed with firearms.
Would you rather face a creep with a .22 single shot derringer, or an assault-type weapon with a 30-round magazine?
@ SDN
No worries. We seem to be on the same page on this issue.
One: Glad to hear it - moreso in light of your avatar. You're lovely.
Would you rather face a creep with a .22 single shot derringer, or an assault-type weapon with a 30-round magazine?
SDN- That depends on wether or not I have to give up my right to the same tools.
So anything is ok as long as you have the same?
Makes me wonder, if humans were all simultaneously given psychic power to instantly kill anyone of our choosing, would the human race be a peaceful utopia where noone would dare kill anyone, or we'd all go extinct on day 1.
Must be whiteys fault somehow.
Actually,,, if you think about it, it's always been "whiteys" fault.
rocknrhonda; Maybe so. Check with what remains of the original inhabitants of the Western Hemisphere. Their perspective might be of some interest. Probably not.
Charley, I don't think that total ignorance knows a "color"!
yeap, they build New Orleans, builds the cars used for this gangs, give them free ride for living an provide gung good quality for miss use (but the shooters are really bad) and they buy drugs from them...
Jameel, Kaleel, Rashad............when the names are published we will be right on track.
Sure, skippy.
Isn't the solution obvious? A complete and total ban on the manufacture and sale of late model white "assault sedans", and immediate confiscation of those already in circulation!
Incompetent journalism flourishes...
A "white sedan"
There ya go...RACISM !
A "white sedan".
There ya go...RACISM !
I wonder if it (the white sedan) had black tires...........hmmmmm.
and probably the gun is the black color, warm, warm...
it aint guns fault. Coulda been done with a car or a fertilizer bomb. Coulda. See, guns aint the problem..
keep on saying that over and over
Not surprising in a city that has been run by Democrats for so long
Lest we forget NO is 89% black.
lets not forget newtown is 92% white-aurora 74% white-coulmbine 98% white-oregon thats as white as you can get outside of football-
white as you can get outside football? i don't understand that analogy. hockey maybe...
MLK fought to gain people equal rights. Unfortunately, he was totally unable to get all of them to act civilized.
It's George W Bush's fault
according to liberals and democrats...
Only for mental midgets is everything political. Have a nice day Ian and Tammy!