...nah, chain saws are VIOLENT. They should be outlawed. Only saws with 7 teeth allowed.

Good karma for this tree climber!

just because you only have 7 teeth doesn't mean thats the way it should be

George Washington should handle, chop away, no hard feelings.......

It is altogether fitting that he and his ilk are climbing back into trees.

Should have shot him with a tranquilizer dart and caught him in a net when he fell. Just like any other escaped zoo animal.

Another example of our fine government standing up for the constitution. Lets go ahead and forget that troublesome first amendment. And by the way, the second amendment is so archaic.

Don't forget, Planned Parenthood kills 300,000 unborn babies. Nobody cares. Some lunatic kills 20 kids and all of a sudden every freedom loving gun owner is under attack.

So an organization that supports killing 15,000 times more kids, is ok, but guns need to be outlawed. I'm just trying to make sense of the lunacy.

Hey look! A monkey's homeless uncle...

Here is why clinically normal people are pro-life: whether one believes in God nor not, the unborn represent the most valuable resource any nation can ever possess, namely, its future, and what natural resource could ever be more worthy of legal protection. Moreover, why do you think the left is so insistent on maintaining legal abortion? A "big-hearted" concern for women's rights? That's just a sop they tell to keep their useful idiots in line. The real reason is far more sinister: if the left can convince a population to accept the deaths of innocent unborn children, that population will more easily accept the mass exterminations of "oppressors" and other enemies of their revolutions!!

You cannot make sense out of nonsense, Boris. By trying to do so, you become part of the confused angry mob.

OldKingBlog,

I like what you have to say because it is so very true !

Hope you don't mind if I use your Words............... ?

OldKingBlog - I hope you don't have children your responsible for freak! That's the problem we let children be born to damn nut jobs, who spew unreasonable nonsense. In the end they kill their stupid unresponsive family.

Antistupidity

Should have shot him with a tranquilizer dart and caught him in a net when he fell. Just like any other escaped zoo animal.

But when they use pepper spray on protesters it a sin? Or were you advocating the use of tranquilizer darts on the OWS crowds also?

Funny how quickly liberals turn against the freedom to protest when it's something they don't agree with.

Stupid monkey.

OldKingKong;

You need to take off your rose colored glasses, smell the coffee and see the real world as it is. WAY too many children are born to teenagers or what to what qualifies as an adult (by age only) and are NOT wanted. You are far too insular to be able to understand what it is like to be reared by a biological parent who has less interest in you than the last cigarette they smoked or the empty beer can they just threw on the carpet.

Not everyone grows up in a painted two story home with a green lawn surrounded by a picket fence in the suburbs with plenty to eat and a place to sleep.

Who are you... What kind of angry dispicable person are you that you would make an innocent child suffer? There are things worse than death, trust me. It's called a living death.

You supposed God loving christians... how many children have you - are you going to adopt? Yeah, that's what I thought. Too busy looking for a close parking space at your "Church", too busy looking out for you your soul to rescue a living child from hell.

Do you believe in executing all protesters or only those that don't agree with you?

Most pro-lifers are pro-death penalty supporters. Riddle me that some sanctity of human life.

NO!!! Most pro-lifers arent pro death penalty. Pretty broad brush your using there bilbao. That would be tantamount to me saying most pro-choice ppl want to give serial murderers 3 squares & a home for life at their expense.

Actually, bilbao72 is correct.

Dear bilbao: Your "riddle" is simplicity itself to solve, namely, an unborn child is morally innocent, that is, he or she cannot commit any actions that merit the condemnation. This is not so with born criminals, who, despite all the jabberwocky and psychobabble you were taught in socialist, er public school about how poor criminals are really good at heart and are only made that way by society, can and do commit actions for which they can be condemned. The bottom line? There is NO contradiction between being pro-life and pro-death penalty. Capiche?

Pro-gun, pro-life, supports the death penalty, considers themselves very religious, doesn't believe we should care for the poor..and incapable of seeing the irony of most of their positions. And if you pass even the most benign regulations increasing gun safety, they start making vague and not-so-vague threats of violence.

mn & bilbao , plz , give stats or shut up , i do attend a wide variety of churches & am very AWARE of the general consensus of christians , not just the majority of flakey posters here . What church do you attend mn or what poll have you taken or refer to? Any time there is a death sentence being carried out , it is by & large , christian opposition protesters in front of the prison.

& ERASER , your fulla it too , i spend my wed nites , providing meals for poor ppl at r church , food i buy & cook & im on limited income due to retirement . You liberals need to take them wide brushes & do something constructive with them , like go paint old ppl's homes.

Lets all fight about how one whole night a week, you help poor people better than the next person!

MANDY , quit the crap , i NEVER stated i was any better than anyone , i merely responded to eraser stating that conservatives dont care about the poor & btw , i also raised 2 children that werent mine & WITHOUT govt aid so shut up & quit trying to bait with your prepubescent drivle . YOU ARE THE REASON ppl wont talk with dems . I have done my share , from joining marines durring nam , raising 5 kids , paying taxes for over 40 yrs , what have you done?What are you , all of about 25 yrs old , go live a life before u bark up this tree.IGNORANT KIDS .

A) Don't tell me what to do, you're way too easily offended.

B) I was pointing out to the group, not just you. Everything is not about you pumpkin.

C) I wasn't trying to bait you with anything. Just pointing out the stupidity of "Well I've done this" "Oh yea? Well I've done this" arguments.

D) I wasn't claiming that any of your magnificant life achievements were bad (although, there you go again, making another list and WHINING about them and trying to say how much you are better than everyone else)

Talking about ignorant kids when someone needs to grow up.

Mandy, don't waste you valuable time on that angry old troll.

G-Dog,
Something tells me that if the mob of people around him were getting ready to string YOU up around the neck, and Mr. Grogan was up that tree shouting for your life to be spared, you would no longer label him as being "obsessed to the point of mental derangement".

If he wants to hang out in a tree, gosh, it seems appropriate. Hopefully someone will throw him a banana.

He has the right. He hurt no one.

Ok, Mac, so if I show up at this lunatics church next Sunday and disrupt the service, that's ok right?

I forgot, being a selfish, clueless douchebag is a GOP right.

Hey Mr. YAKFIT...

Sure, you can show up and disrupt Sunday service...if it is outside in a public venue (like maybe a park or something). Then please feel free to climb a tree and YAK!

Yes William, we Christians offend, that is our legacy, handed down to us by our Lord, Jesus Christ! He too offended people daily, and I suppose that just as you have done to us you would have hurled insults at Him as well then shouted for His crucifixion with all the others. Good for you William.

Really? And you william, are an arrogant leftist whose head is filled with ideological mush which you palm off as intelligence. Now, chaw on this: Here is why clinically normal people are pro-life: whether one believes in God nor not, the unborn represent the most valuable resource any nation can ever possess, namely, its future, and what natural resource could ever be more worthy of legal protection. Moreover, why do you think the left is so insistent on maintaining legal abortion? A "big-hearted" concern for women's rights? That's just a sop they tell to keep their useful idiots in line. The real reason is far more sinister: if the left can convince a population to accept the deaths of innocent unborn children, that population will more easily accept the mass exterminations of "oppressors" and other enemies of their revolutions!!

Here's the best way to end the abortion argument: Abolish abortion, and then make every woman that gets pregnant have the baby, and then she can decide whether to to keep the baby or not. Then, we turn the non-wanted babies over to the military, and turn them into our military. Then, when they die in droves in combat over politically based unnecessary wars, the mother gets a letter 18 years later from the government saying "Hey, remember that abortion you wanted? DONE!" Another child gone, just by another means!

Oldkingkong

Repeating your nonsense in bold doesn't make true. Get in your car, drive it out of your pretty suburb, and go to the inner city or the fringes of towns in the south. Most don't live like you do.

Yeah, of course, on a public street. Right in front of the Church.

Every Sunday. Without fail.

Still ok kolchak?

Mountain Earth,Best post by far.

He accomplished nothing?? Open your eyes!

1) You have not forgotten him yet.
2) You cannot stop writing about him and his actions have filled up this commenting board!
3) He has OBVIOUSLY accomplished a WHOLE LOT MORE THAN YOU DID!!!
You believe that it is okay to kill babies, as long as they are still in their mother's womb. Then once they are out of the womb, they cannot be killed. THAT MAKES ALLOT OF SENSE! ...NOT!!!

I support post-delivery abortion, especiallly for people like Kolchak.

52,000,000 babies have been KILLED in the womb since Jan. 1973. The number of children killed in the womb each year equals the number of Americans killed in the Revolutionary War, Civil War, World Wars one & Two, the Korean, Veitnam, and Persian Gulf Wars COMBINED!!

WAKE UP AMERICA

I guess that with all those extra people around(52 million plus their offspring) we could have had more wars... Or warehouse cheap labor like China... People complain about unemployment now...

MountainEarth's post should read: "poster acts like a smart-aleck and embarrasses himself." As for cleaning lady, methinks you've huffed too much Clorox. And mn55-whatever probably fancies him/her/itself as a model of tolerance...

DEAR MN55066,
So you wish to murder me as well for speaking the truth and activating your conscience...I am not surprised, because they did the same thing to Jesus Christ when He spoke the truth!
(and He said that a servant is not greater than his master).

@Kolachak -Laughable that you would compare yourself to Christ.

While I absolutely disagree w/ Kolchak!, wishing death on him is absolutely wrong. He was born alive, and as a living individual, he does have the right to his opinion. It's fine to express disagreement, it is not fine to wish death to someone that has a differing opinion.

On the topic of abortion - yes, I am pro-choice. I also don't have a problem with certain restrictions. I do think that until viability, the choice to abort should be up to the woman (and whomever she chooses to include in that decision, and hopefully she will include the father). After viability, if born alive, the resulting baby would have a chance (perhaps slim, but still a chance), of survival outside the womb. Therefore, after viability, abortion should only take place in cases of medical necessity to save the mother's life or in cases where the fetus has a late discovered by significant defect that means it most likely would not survive outside the womb, or in cases of rape/incest. I include rape/incest as permissible for after viability abortions simply because the psychological trauma this may cause the woman may have prevented her from obtaining an abortion prior to viability.

I also fully support a woman's right to say she won't have an abortion. Being pro-choice means to support the woman in her decision - whether that decision be to abort, not abort and become a parent or not abort and give the resulting child up for adoption.

"viability"...nice word.
It's a good thing your mom considered you to be "viable"!!! Otherwise you would not even have the "choice" to voice your opinions on abortion.
I have a word that I like better...LIFE!
We live in an age in which a fertilized egg can be transplanted into a mothers womb and brought to term! That means that "viable" begins at fertilization.

Clevella,

Please look it up... the very definition of the word Christian is "little Christ". Like the disciples in the Bible, I (and MANY others) am His disciple and seek His will for my life.
Can you say with any sincerity that Jesus is for abortion??? NO!
I am NOT the issue!
Jesus and Abortion IS!
Please stick with what really matters here! LIFE!

We live in an age in which a fertilized egg can be transplanted into a mothers womb and brought to term! That means that "viable" begins at fertilization.

Not even close, Kolchak. When fertilized eggs are put into a uterus (like during IVF) only one or two out of the many even make it to implantation.

The majority of fertilized eggs in normal pregnancies don't even implant. 1/3 of pregnancies end in miscarriage. And many of those are before a woman even knows she is pregnant.

There are TONS of things that can go wrong between implantation and birth. Viability is called that because beyond that point, the chances are very high that the fetus will survive if the pregnancy were to end. THATS what viability is. If the pregnancy ended 3 days after fertilization, it would end up down the toilet with all of the other miscarriages women don't even know about.

We live in an age in which a fertilized egg can be transplanted into a mothers womb and brought to term! That means that "viable" begins at fertilization.

Wrong. Viability has a specific meaning. A blastocyst, zygote and fetus (up to approximately 24 weeks) will not remain viable without being in the uterus. Now, we can freeze an embryo for a period of time -- however, it is in a suspended state in which it is not progressing, in fact, it is (little by little) deteriorating, even while frozen because it does not have the direct connection to the uterus.

As far as your comment about my mother considering me to be viable - yes, I'm glad that my parents planned to have me. They opted to become pregnant and opted to continue the pregnacy. Just as when I was pregnant, I opted to continue my pregnancies - I opted to be a mother to two wonderful boys. That doesn't make my opinion any less valid nor does it make my opinion wrong.

btw, if I were to ever become pregnant again, I absolutely would abort (and I would do it very early - well prior to the end of the first trimester, which is well prior to viability). I would do this because my prior deliveries nearly killed me, and I cannot safely carry another pregnancy to viability. With my first son I developed ecclampsia (you know - ended up having a massive seizure during labor) and his umbilical cord prolapsed - both of these complications resulted in an emergency c-section to have both of our lives. During the c-section my heart stopped and I stopped breathing - needed resuscitation. After this, I developed an infection in the c-section incision that went septic, and I was in the hospital for 4.5 months (nearly died several more times). Due to the severe scarring of my uterus, when I had delivered the 2nd time, I hemorrhaged my entire blood volume and required massive blood transfusions. I also developed a post-op ileus (and nearly had to have part of my intestines removed). My uterus is simply too scarred to carry another pregnancy - my risk of uterine rupture is exceedingly high, if that happened, both the fetus and I would die within minutes. Anyway, knowing I can't have another pregnancy - I opted to have a tubal ligation and remain on oral contraception. However, there is an exceedingly small chance, but a chance nonetheless, that these precautions could fail - thus, if they did fail (though the it's highly unlikely to fail), I would abort the fetus. My existing children need their mother and it would be life or death for me.

Yeah, I'm pro-choice - I'd still rather see abortion be a rarely made choice. I do think that more effort should be put into preventing unplanned/unwanted pregnancies - thus, preventing abortions.

Every time I read your story, it is no less shocking.

obviously though, the solution for people like kolchak is that even though you're married, just never have sex again. Keep those legs closed woman! And make me a sandwich!

Summer,

I am glad that you survived and that you are now okay...truly!
As a father, I am blessed with the miracle of three sons whom I love dearly. The idea of any one of them being aborted is UNIMAGINABLE to me. I do not say this with any sort of moral superiority, I say it because it is the truth of what is in my heart. I do not pretend to know all things, or even to understand the mysteries of God, but what I do by the gift which God has given to all of us (and will one day also use to judge us) is exercise my will to trust and obey Him, the author of life. It is GOD and GOD ALONE who has the authority to give or take life. When we take a life, we do so in opposition to His authority, and according to the Bible (the ten commandments) that is sin. The decision you faced and still face regarding the risk to your life that a pregnancy poses is a tremendously difficult one for you I am sure, and my heart goes out to you for having to endure that. I do not stand in judgment of you, nor is it my intention to declare myself morally superior to you or anyone for that matter. My message is this, we are ALL sinners! EVERYONE!!! The Bible says that the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. (Romans 6:23)
Put another way...because of our sin, we are ALL under the sentence of death. However, God loves us and it is NOT His desire that we die (eternally), but He CANNOT simply ignore our sin, even if we are sorry, no more than an earthly judge can dismiss us if we murder somebody. We can say that we are sorry and that we promise not to do it again, but the judge MUST pass down judgment and sentencing on us...we know this and and rightly so, expect it. The "law" of sin and death is an eternal, unbreakable law, sort of like the "law" of gravity...if you step off a cliff, regardless of whether or not you agree with or believe in the law of gravity, you WILL fall! So it is with sin, sin=death. This presented a tremendous conflict before God and all of Heaven! God loves us and does not want us to die! and so because God COULD NOT ignore our sin, He chose to take the penalty of our sin upon Himself! The Bible says that God came down to the Earth and became a man (Jesus) in order to take the penalty of sin upon Himself. We have been redeemed from sin! We only need to repent of our sin, then believe in our hearts and declare with our mouths that “Jesus is Lord,” and that God raised him from the dead and the death sentence will be passed from us to Christ, saving us from our sins. That is the gospel message!

Mandy, Fortunately, my story is rare - the complications are rare, but it's how my body handles delivery. I simply can't do it.

Kolchak!, 1st let me say thank you for being glad I survived :). 2nd, you are entitled to your religious beliefs, just as you are entitled to your beliefs on abortion. I don't happen to share either your religious beliefs or your beliefs on abortion - that doesn't make me "right" and you "wrong" (or vice versa, imo). It's just different beliefs. What I will say is that while we can and should each live our lives by our religious principles and values, or other non-religious principles and values, we cannot use these beliefs to dictate to others what they will or will not do. If we begin legislating based on religious beliefs, we strip away many freedoms for many people - which goes absolutely against what the US is supposed to be all about. If your faith tells you abortion is wrong - fine, don't have an abortion; please, feel free to state your opinion and why you have your opinion. However, please do not use your faith to dictate what others can or cannot do. I would never use my beliefs to dictate to you what you can or cannot do, that would be wrong. 3rd, don't get me wrong when I say I would abort if I got pregnant again, it would also be unimaginable to me if my two boys were aborted. See, I chose to have my boys; I chose to be a mother. I chose, due to medical reasons, to not be pregnant again. I chose to not be pregnant again (and thus, would choose an abortion if my precautions failed) precisely because I chose to be a mother to my existing children.

Here is the thing Kolchack, Any number of decisions aside from abortion, could have led to a different life with different children. If you had not married their mother, for example. Or if stormy weather had delayed a trip or something and the time your child was conceived changed.

Being home late from work and not having sex then = different child. Different sperm getting to the egg. You can't act like abortion is the only thing that will get you a different result in life. The choices we make every single day, no matter how small, affect things like that.

Of course you can't see aborting any of them, because they are full fledged people now.

Mandy, do you have any school aged or younger children? If one of them stole ten dollars from your purse, you would punish them, and rightly so. However, if they did nothing wrong and you began to punish them because of their potential offenses, common sense dictates to you that this is incredibly wrong.
Likewise, it is not the potential children that God holds you responsible for (Being home late from work and not having sex then = different child), but rather it is the miracle of the children that you actually do conceive that you are accountable for. Ending their lives before they had the same chance as you to become a little child, then grow up, fall in love and have children of their own is not right. But God LOVES YOU EITHER WAY!
And to those of you ladies out there reading this right now who made a decision in the past to have an abortion, maybe two, maybe three...it does not matter because God loves you! And right at this very moment, those babies are with Jesus and it is our Lord's hope to one day introduce you to the beautiful children that you did not yet meet! They are waiting with Jesus now to be reunited with you!
WHAT AN INCREDIBLE, BEAUTIFUL AND MIRACULOUS FAMILY REUNION THAT WILL BE!!!
Years ago, my wife and I lost our baby due to a misscarriage...and let me tell you that I am looking forward to that day! ...that day chosen by God when we are to be united!

To answer your questions: No I do not have school aged children, nor to I ever plan to. If I ever decide to be a parent, I will foster or adopt in the pre-teen to teen range.

As far as all of the God stuff, its really irrelevant because I don't believe in god, and god has no say in our laws.

So the babies are with god.... Question, Do they become adults when they go to heaven, or some random childhood age? Or do they stay 2" long embryos?

As far as all of the God stuff, its really irrelevant because I don't believe in god, and god has no say in our laws.

Mandy,
I was not born believing in God. Belief in God is a choice you make as you grow. I know many people whose belief in God began whn they were quite young, but I also know many who believed only after becoming quite old, and there are many in between. So what you believe at this moment does not negate the possibility of you changing in the future.
I believe that if you make a serious study of both world and U.S. history, you will find that the basis for our modern laws has a very inarguable root in God as outlined in the Bible, and more specifically, the Ten Commandments, so you may want to rethink your position on this.

So the babies are with god.... Question, Do they become adults when they go to heaven, or some random childhood age? Or do they stay 2" long embryos?

As I said earlier, "I do not pretend to know all things, or even to understand the mysteries of God", but what I do know from reading the Bible is that what we are now, in our fallen state, is not what we will be in our resurrected state. The Bible briefly discusses the topic in Pauls letter to the Corinthians, Chapter 15, verses 35 through 50. This is what it says...

35 But someone may ask, "How are the dead raised? With what kind of body will they come?"
36 How foolish! What you sow does not come to life unless it dies.
37 When you sow, you do not plant the body that will be, but just a seed, perhaps of wheat or of something else.
38 But God gives it a body as he has determined, and to each kind of seed he gives its own body.
39 All flesh is not the same: Men have one kind of flesh, animals have another, birds another and fish another.
40 There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another.
41 The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
42 So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable;
43 it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power;
44 it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
45 So it is written: "The first man Adam became a living being" ; the last Adam, a life-giving spirit.
46 The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual.
47 The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven.
48 As was the earthly man, so are those who are of the earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
49 And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven.
50 I declare to you, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God, nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.

Does that answer your questions Mandy?

Belief in God is a choice you make as you grow.

Disbelief in God is a choice I made because I grew.

I believe that if you make a serious study of both world and U.S. history, you will find that the basis for our modern laws has a very inarguable root in God as outlined in the Bible, and more specifically, the Ten Commandments, so you may want to rethink your position on this

A basis, yes. However, our laws also state that a religion cannot be held above another.

Does that answer your questions Mandy

Not really, no.

Being in a garage does not make you a car...
and being in a "church" does not make you a Christian.
Remember the 5 wise and the 5 foolish virgins. Which are you?

Most Christians are an embarrassment in general.

Sounds like you would fit in nicely with the mob that shouted for Christ's crucifixion!
Or one of the crowd who stoned Steven to death for preaching Christ.
Now get smart and be one of the crowd who later understood the errors of his ways and repented, then committed his life to serving Christ. Like the Apostle Paul did.

If this man is an embarrassment to you, then you are no Christian. He is standing up for the millions of murdered unborn who don't have a voice. God bless him.

MJ1986

Most Christians are an embarrassment in general.

Tell Jesus That and then Say You Are Much Better Than Those Hypocrites To Christ Who Died For These People and you !

Jesus was and still is Pro-Life.

Jesus said in the book of Matthew if you deny Him in this life He will deny you before God the Father in heaven.

Ummm Willis, care to share where in the bible Jesus commented on being 'pro-life?' Btw, your first sentence has absolutely nothing to do with your 2nd sentence.

Better is an "idiot" who reveres life, (especially the most vulnerable life of all...an unborn baby)
than a left or right wing smart-alek who cannot even appreciate the truth that the only reason he is able to puke out his hatred online is because his mother chose to not abort him. See the irony in that Jerry?

Better than a left-wing baby killer.

Oh Spooky, have you so quickly forgotten the Republican anti-abortion Congressman from Ten. whose wife had TWO abortions? Oooops!

What does republican have to do with it? I myself am an independent and have a lot of Democrat friends that are pro life and pro gun and have republican friends that smoke pot . Being a democrat does'nt automatically make you a left winger and being republican does'nt automatically make you right wing.

...and some need to REVERE LIFE! ESPECIALLY the life of the unborn!

Yes Mandy, it is the UNBORN who need to "GET A LIFE"!!!

Yeah, but then you need to keep revering that life once it's born. You know, all those babies born to welfare mothers who suck on the government's tit? (sar) But, so many RWNJs don't want their tax dollars to go to the poor or needy because they are a bunch of scum sucking freeloaders, right?

UGGGH! The hypocrisy!

Dirty Rat,

MY MY! You seem to know everyone and everything! PLEASE! Save us all from your rhetoric and cliches! You are nothing but a parrot who heard something said by someone else (probably more intelligent than yourself), then like a parrot you mindlessly repeated what you heard without knowing anything on the matter. First, go and investigate the matter yourself. Visit a few churches and actually talk with the people you criticize and pretend to know so well. Then, only after learning what they do for babies, mothers and families, come back and give an INTELLIGENT analysis. Until then, keep your squawking to your bird cage and leave your birdsh*t on the newspaper at the bottom.

Kolchak:

Gee, can't take criticism without throwing out insults, huh? That really shows the level of your intellect and yet you have the audacity to call me unintelligent?! LOL

And, come on! A parrot?! Really, is that the best you can do? Well, first of all, I said nothing about a church. I was talking about RWNJs. So, Mr. Intelligent, do you know what that stands for? Secondly, I don't need to repeat anything anyone has said because we all know the Right-wing wants to get rid of the social safety net in this country in favor of tax breaks for the rich.

So, I will NOT shut-up because you said so, Mr. Intelligent. I will "squawk" till the day I die, especially when people like yourself come on the vine and "squawk" their nonsense.

Gee, can you come back with an intelligent response that doesn't include derogatory remarks?

...and some need to REVERE LIFE! ESPECIALLY the life of the unborn!

Yes Mandy, it is the UNBORN who need to "GET A LIFE"!!!

How did I know that some MALE would come along with bold words and capitol letters and think that those things make him correct?

Mr. Dirty,
You are correct, and I was wrong to insult you. I apologize for the insult. I allowed my emotions to get the best of me. Abortion is for me a very emotional topic.
Now I ask you, tell me the truth if you dare...do you not believe that the majority of "right wingers" are Christians? Then, also tell the truth again... Have you read the entire Bible?? If so, can you honestly tell me that if Jesus were standing in front of you at this very moment that He would say
"Absolutely, it is just fine for mothers to kill their babies...but only if the babies are still in their wombs. Once they make it out it then becomes wrong"
...and for my last question
...in your opinion of wrong and right... was it wrong or right for your mother to not have aborted you, but to have chosen life for you instead?

How did I know that some MALE would come along...

Hi Mandy, part of the 21% who 'feel strongly' (among the minority 24% who want Roe overturned) on the flip side, ...that was too easy, - tell me who's going to win the Super Bowl!

Kolchak!:

Apology accepted. BTW- I loved that show when I was kid (Night Stalker).

...do you not believe that the majority of "right wingers" are Christians?

Yes. But, I also know some Right-wingers are for abortion and I also know some Liberals are against abortion. I should correct myself in saying that SOME Right-wingers believe this or that and it isn't an all inclusive statement. I realize that everyone is different in some way. Same for Christians; some are for while the majority are against.

Have you read the entire Bible?

No, and I really don't care to. I think the Bible was written by man, and man alone. I think religion was (and is) being used to control the masses with fear and intimidation. I have read parts of the Bible and the only thing I gained from it was that the Bible is nothing more than a history seen through the eyes of man. And those men couldn't explain natural phenomenon and chalked it up to a supernatural being.

If so, can you honestly tell me that if Jesus were standing in front of you...

If Jesus were standing in front of me I would be asking him questions like why, with all your omnipotence, haven't you ended all of the misery in the world? Why haven't you shown your face to the people of Earth and put an an end to all of the violence surrounding religious differences by setting them straight on what's right and factual and what's wrong or misinterpreted? But, to perfectly honest, I don't believe in God and I abhor organized religion. Jesus will never be standing in front of me and when I die there is no heaven or hell to go to. We just die and that's it. I would like to think there is an afterlife and people pay for their sins against humanity (murder, genocide, etc.) but something tells me that this life is it and there's nothing more.

...was it wrong or right for your mother to not have aborted you, but to have chosen life for you instead?

Considering the world we live in and how @!$%#ed up it is I don't think I would have missed much having not been born. Don't get me wrong I have had a good life and I have been very lucky to have the loving family I have and I don't take it for granted. But, the reality is, had I been aborted, I would have never known the difference.

Mr. Rat,

Nobody sends me a dollar everytime that I share my faith or anything like that, so personally I gain nothing. I do it for one reason alone. LOVE...love of mankind, love of God, love of you. I am simply a "bum who found a place to get food and shelter, showing other bums how to do the same so that I might save some from dying". So whether you agree with my beliefs or not, you can know that my motivations are noble. With that said...I can see that you are intelligent and analytical, so please allow me a moment to break it down to simple logic with this short story...

Two men (Paul and Tom) awoke to find themselves in a dark cave with a small tunnel leading out. They do not recall ANYTHING before now...their only realization is that they are in this dark cave. Upon exploring their immediate surroundings, they discover many springs of fresh water to drink, and various critters in the water which they can eat to survive. Although it is nearly pitch dark at all times, they discover that there is a very small amount of bioluminescient creatures within the cave that casts a very faint light on the walls, making it possible for them to see just enough to make their way to the tunnel. After talking the matter over for days, they finally decide to leave the cave and search for a way out through the tunnel. Days of searching down this single tunnel lead to weeks, weeks to months, then months to years. During this time their relationship becomes more and more strained as they argue over whether or not they ever should have left the cave to begin with and if there is even any point in continuing to search. Tom begins to give up hope, believing that there is and never was anything that mattered but the cave and that he thinks he might just go back. Paul on the other hand still has hope that there is an exit and they should not give up looking. Just then they come upon something they have NEVER seen before! The tunnel splits and they see TWO SIGNS! The sign pointing left reads "TWO MONTH JOURNEY TO THE CAVE", while a sign pointing right reads, "ONE YEAR JOURNEY TO THE EXIT". They peer down both tunnels as far as they can see and both look the same...long, dark and nothing more in sight.
Paul then says excitedly, "We finally found the way out!!! Let's follow the exit sign!".
With a look of disgust and disbelief Tom responded,
"WHY?? Get Real! How the frick do we know where that will lead?".
Paul was a bit surprised by Tom's reaction...hadn't this been the reason they had continued to walk for what must have amounted to years by now? Why couldn't Tom see what was so plain for Paul to see??
"Well Tom, clearly, someone else was here before we were and they found the way out, then came back to let others know as well!"
Tom was losing patience
"Paul...Really?? I mean, come on....HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?? You have no idea WHO wrote these signs! For all I know they are probably meant to lure us into a trap, or they could be someones' idea of a sick joke!"
Paul thought for a moment, then said to Tom,
"Listen Tom, We've already been to the cave and we both know that beyond basic sustenance, there is NOTHING for us at the cave, so what do we have to lose? At least there is a chance that we can get out of here if we follow the sign out, but if we turn back, there is NO CHANCE AT ALL!! I would rather risk a one-out-of-one-hundred chance than choose a sure thing that amounts to NOTHING!"

So phylosophically...logically... I say the same to you...
If you are correct and when we die, that is the end...no afterlife, no memory, no anything! ...then none of it will matter because we will both be dead! Therefore, neither one of us will even know which of us was correct, so none of it will matter. So if I follow YOUR PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE, I AM GUARANTEED THAT IT WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING!!!
So logically, it makes no sense to follow your model of life.
However...if I am correct and God is true, and there is a Heaven, and a HELL after death, and that as the Bible says those who are without Christ will be judged and condemned to death eternal in Hell, while those who have put their faith in Christ will be resurrected from death and have life eternal, then it is the way I have chosen which makes sense.
YOU BETTER NOT BE WRONG MY FRIEND, BECAUSE YOU HAVE BET EVERYTHING ON YOUR BEING RIGHT, AND IF YOU ARE WRONG AND YOU FIND THIS OUT ONLY AFTER YOU DIE, THE BIBLE SAYS THAT YOU WILL BE TOO LATE TO CHANGE YOUR PATH, FOR THE PATH WILL HAVE ENDED BY THEN!!!!

If I were you, I would first have a very serious look into the Bible and the claims that Jesus made about Himself, eternal life, judgment and eternal damnation. At this moment, there is still time for you to change. I made the decision to follow Christ 30 years ago, and I have NEVER regretted it! What is stopping you?

K!:

Interesting story. Is that from the Bible or did your church come up with that?

So if I follow YOUR PHILOSOPHY OF LIFE, I AM GUARANTEED THAT IT WILL AMOUNT TO NOTHING!!!

Let me add this: I don't bet that my theory, an it is just a theory, is TRUE. I would NEVER tell someone that my beliefs or theories are right because the bottom line is that no one knows for sure what lies beyond this life. Sure, you believe your beliefs to be true but you can't show me any scientific proof they are true beyond a doubt. I don't see how my philosophy would guarantee a life amounting to nothing. People can be good and helping others in their lives and live with moral standards. But, that doesn't mean you need to believe in any particular religion to be that way. If your beliefs are true and I stand before God/Jesus to be judged and I'm sent to Hell just because I didn't believe in God (Jesus did exist obviously) or their religion that is kind of ridiculous to me. Are you going to tell me that of the 200+ religions in the world all of those people who don't follow your religion will be cast into the fire pits of Hell? Even if they were good, honest, hard working people who helped their fellow mankind they still will burn for eternity just because they didn't believe in your religion? I find that very hard to grasp.

What is stopping you?

I'm a Liberal and I don't agree with many or most of the political stances that the religious Right takes. It just don't like organized religion and I think a person can live a good life without religion being involved. What's stopping me from joining your ranks is that I try to keep an open mind and I do not want to close it by accepting a religions beliefs blindly without having ANY proof otherwise. I DON'T know what lies beyond this life and I'm keeping my mind open to the possibilities, including the notion it might just turn out to be nothing, zip, zilch, nada. If I have to burn in Hell for thinking that way then so be it.

OneD,

Interesting story. Is that from the Bible or did your church come up with that?

No it is not from the Bible, nor is it from my church. In truth, I prayed and asked God to give me something specific to communicate to you and that is what He gave me.

Let me add this: I don't bet that my theory, an it is just a theory

When you get on a plane, you may not say the words "I bet the skills of the pilot and the soundness of this aircraft against my life", but that is exactly what you are doing nonetheless. Likewise, although you may not say the words, you are nonetheless betting the beliefs which you have adopted against your life. (By the way, I say "adopted" because your beliefs, like mine, did not originate with you...and that is not necessarily a bad thing.)

Sure, you believe your beliefs to be true but you can't show me any scientific proof they are true beyond a doubt

Let us both speak honestly...all that you and I consider to be true is ultimately only a belief. Let illustrate with just one example so that I can communicate my meaning to you. Do you believe in the existence of atoms? I will assume that like myself and probably most everyone, the answer is yes. But I will also say that most of us believe in a zillion other similar things without ever really giving any thought as to why. Our immediate answer might be "because of all of the scientific evidence". But let's analyze our answer deeper...you and I are presumably not physicists so what we really mean is that we believe the people who have told us that atoms exist and that there is evidence for their existence. Put another way...if we were suddenly trnsported to another planet and the inhabitants of that planet were to interogate us regarding our knowledge, and they asked us to prove all of our statements, in truth we would be able to prove very little of what we believe to be true because most of what we consider to be true is told to us by others (parents, teachers, government, scientists etc.) and we simply believe what they have told us...all of our lives! So if the aliens asked you to prove the existence of atoms, you or I could not do it. So all that we consider to be true, whether it is science or religion is based on the testimony of others and what we have chosen to believe from what they have told us. So in the case of God and the Bible, for whatever reasons you might have, you have CHOSEN not to believe. It is that choice which the Bible says you will be judged for by God and not by any moral or immoral acts you may have committed. The Bible teaches that your actions are merely the byproduct of the choice which you have made. So in the end, it is YOU who have rejected God...God has not rejected you!

no one knows for sure what lies beyond this life

Once again, be perfectly honest with your answer...are you 100% certain that no one knows what lies beyond this life? Or would it be more honest for you to say that you do not believe that anyone knows what lies beyond this life? Because the truth is that many have testified that they know what is beyond this life...beginning with Jesus Himself! Additionally if you spend any time investigating you will discover a great many people who have died, then were resuscitated and describe in detail their experiences in an afterlife..some heavenly, and some HELLish!!! This phenomenon has become so commonplace that many medical scientists have begun studying it. So if you are being honest with yourself, you will have to conclude that it is in spite of evidence that you have chosen not to believe in an afterlife. However, just like death and taxes, the afterlife and judgment will happen whether you believe in them or not! Would it not be better to have an open mind as you say you do and read for yourself what the entire Bible has to say on these things, THEN make up your mind?

K!:

So I'm to blindly follow your faith because I wouldn't be able to prove to aliens that atoms exist? I know that is not exactly what you meant but it kinda comes down to that. I would believe science any day before I would believe someone proselytizing. There is hard evidence that backs up the theories science puts forth where as there isn't a shred of evidence that God exists beyond what's written in a book and people claiming to talk to God.

As far as people seeing heaven/hell after dying and coming back after being revived I know there have been studies done on this topic and one particular study determined their visions where all in their heads. The brain is the last organ to die so it is still active even though someone may be clinically dead. So I don't give any credence to those people who claim to have seen the afterlife or whatever.

However, just like death and taxes, the afterlife and judgment will happen whether you believe in them or not!

So you say. Just because it says it in the Bible does not make it true.

Would it not be better to have an open mind as you say you do and read for yourself what the entire Bible has to say on these things, THEN make up your mind?

Don't need to. I all ready have enough knowledge of the Bible and religion to make an informed decision. I think it is absolutely ridiculous (no offense to you) that for one to gain access to Heaven the first criteria is believing in God and how a person lives their lives take a back seat.

Sorry, but I will NEVER believe in any religion. I will now just tell you to save your efforts to convert me and let's agree to disagree.

Peace.

not me, lol. would have cut tree down ( and been sad to do it to a harmless tree), and see if he bounced when he hit!!

He knows the killing of unborn babies is wrong and will do whatever is neccessary to try to stop the killing!!

Willis, Climbing a tree and getting arrested saves babies, how?

Mandy,

I've said it before and I'll say it again...
This is but one of many, many news sites wherein this story has appeared and this is but one of many, many discussion boards
and you along with many, many others were compelled through this man's simple action to spend all sorts of time reading and writing about abortion. No doubt people on other sites have discussed his action on those sites as well.
Like the guy or not...be honest and give credit where credit is due...the man got the issue out there for a couple of days!

God bless you Mandy!

Hasn't saved any babies though.

Yes Jesus did say something about sacrificing children , the jews did it (with their children)to balaam . It was condemned then also.

I repeat, Jesus said nothing about abortions though they were common in his day. Refute this if you can. Please cite chapter and verse. Christ may have been against abortions but not enough to go on the record with his opinion.

Dear Dreary,
Your logic has overwhelmed me! Hmmmm...let me try using your logic and see what I can come up with...
Wait a minute! I know! I have read the ENTIRE BIBLE and you are not mentioned EVEN ONCE in the Bible!!! Does that mean we should abort you as well?
Please Dreary, let the grownups talk and you go back to playing with your dolls.

2 kings 16:3 , it was a practice to offer children/babies on an altar & burn them to the god of molech , this is also covered in 1 kings 17:31 & 2 kings 23:10 & i hope your scripturally informed enough to know that any visual manifestation of God in OT is referred to as a Christophany.

I suppose that there were also many people around Auschwitz who figured to themselves, I'm not the one killing Jews, so why should I care?

Kolchak, if you had any idea of history you would know that most people around Auschwitz knew what was going on and did nothing. You need to take care of yourself and not worry about what everyone else does, and not force your religious views on on others.

mn55066,
You missed what I said entirely!
I DO KNOW HISTORY and that many around Auschwitz were aware of what was going on...that is what I said!!! Go back and re-read "cleaning lady's" statement and then my statement again...I am pointing out the similarity between "cleaning lady's" hypocricy and the hypocricy of those who said and did nothing about the Jews being murdered!!!

Kolchak,He got noticed for being an idiot.He was forgotten the second after this photo was taken.

1) You have not forgotten him yet.
2) You cannot stop writing about him and us.
3) You are calling him an idiot because you BELIEVE it is okay to kill babies, as long as they are still in their mother's womb. Then once they are out of the womb, they cannot be killed. THAT MAKES ALLOT OF SENSE! ...NOT!!!

Kolchak, just think how many living babies Mr. Grogan could help if he and you and all the freaks like you would put that much effort in to helping babies that are alive here and now. Ya see people like you just want to show how righteous you are by parading infront of the public. Didn't Jesus warn of people like you. Pitiful!(head shaking slowly)

spacedude , stay in space , im pro-life & raised 2 children ,,, not my own , as well as 3 that are. BTW , Jesus also condemned the wrongs pepetrated by ppl.

Mr space...

How very self-righteous of you! You do not know me, nor do you know what I have done and still do for the living. Judge yourself before being arrogant enough to attempt to judge others. I believe that most readers are able to see through the emptiness of your comments. How about you? Can you see? Open your eyes!

Clearly, your mother did not abort you...call her up and thank her for that.

Judge yourself before being arrogant enough to attempt to judge others.

Gee, but calling people baby killers isn't judging?

What a hypocrite!

Dirty,

What do you suggest I call them?
...and what about the Jews...did the Nazis "murder" them, or "abort" them.
It's all semantics to me...killer, murderer, exterminator, aborter...
Choose the one that makes you feel best Mr. DirtyRat...then you can wash your hands of it all and sit up proudly as you proclaim, "at least I have not "judged" anyone".

Kolchak, YOU'RE WRONG!!! I know you by your words and from what I read on here I know that you and the rest of your freak buddies like to run your mouth and hold signs in public for self glorification. YOU NOT FOOLING ANYBODY!!! You do not want to roll your sleeves up and wade into the inner cities and sacrifice your comfy way of life to help the living babies everyday for the rest of your life because YOU ARE CHICKEN SHI*!!!

@!$%#! I judge people everyday and I'm not ashamed to admit it. But, I do keep my judgements to myself unless I think my judgement could help someone. At least I'm not a hypocrite like yourself who told others not to judge yet you have done it in almost every post on this thread.

What do you suggest I call them?

I suggest you follow your religion and keep your words and your judgements to yourself, you know, that "turn the other cheek" thing (or whatever he said)?

IMO, when you call people murderers because they chose to have an abortion you ARE pushing your religious beliefs on others. I'm so glad that I live in a country where we are free to follow any religion and we are ALSO free to NOT follow a religion. Freedom of religion and freedom FROM religion.

Mr Rat,

I suppose that those who spoke up and "judged" the Nazis for killing Jews should have shut up and "kept their words and judgements to themselves". It is a darn good thing that people did not shut up and "keep their words and judgements to themselves", otherwise the Nazis might be running the world right now and all of the Jews would be dead right now! Thank God some people had the courage to "judge" the Nazis and STOP THEM!!!
I too "keep my judgements to myself unless I think my judgement could help someone"...and in this case I am trying to help some innocent, unborn babies who have done NOTHING to deserve death!
Please Mr. Rat...explain to me why it is perfectly moral to kill a baby as long as it is still in the mother's womb, but then becomes murder the moment it is out of the womb??!!

Spacedude...
You try and avoid the main issue of murder by attempting to deflect the argument into a question about whether or not Pro-Life people actually help provide for the babies who are not murdered. So let us pretend that you are correct and NOT ONE PRO LIFE PERSON has ever helped a mother and/or father raise the saved baby... that would change NOTHING!!!!!!!! Murder is still murder!!
Your logic is that a baby should only live if it can be well provided for financially, otherwise it is okay to kill it. GREAT! Using your logic, let us take machine guns and machetes into all of the poverty stricken places on earth and kill anyone who is poor. WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! If the Pro Life people have failed at providing, then YOU DO IT!!! Why are you exempt from responsibility?? It is EVERYONES responsibility!!!

LOL , you libbers want to keep pointing out that you won the pres election & we need to get over it , well , YOU ALL ARE LOSING the abortion issue because of the election & obamas agendas , notice this

This weekend a story from CBS News puts this into more perspective as it points out that in two years 32 states have enacted abortion restrictions:

In the past two years alone, 32 states have adopted some form of abortion restriction.

The Guttmacher Institute, which supports abortion rights, tracks legislation. Elizabeth Nash, its state issues manager, said: “Since the November 2010 elections, we have just seen a huge tidal wave of abortion restrictions roll across states.”

In the first six months of 2012, 15 states passed 39 restrictions on abortion. Last year, 24 states passed 92 restrictions, an all-time record.

Restrictions include bans on abortions at 20 weeks; 24- to 72-hour waiting periods; and a requirement to inform women of suicide risks if they seek an abortion.

In 2011, states passed a record number of abortion restrictions, with 92 new laws taking effect in 24 states.

Momentum has continued in 2012 in what has become a two-year major overhaul in many of the states’ abortion laws.

The laws range from imposing new penalties on doctors to requiring women to undergo more medical procedures, but they all serve to make it more difficult for a woman to legally end a pregnancy.

Of course there’s no scientific correlation between Obama’s election and an overhaul of abortion laws. We, theoretically, could have seen the same thing if McCain had been elected, but even pro-abortion experts agree, it’s a backlash from Obama’s election:

Both sides in the abortion debate say the flurry of lawmaking is a legacy of the 2010 elections, which ushered conservative lawmakers and governors into office around the country. Nineteen statehouses changed from Democratic majorities to more conservative Republican majorities, and others, already Republican, saw more Republicans elected on socially conservative platforms.

HAHAHAHAHA , YOU LOSE , GET OVER IT !!!

Mr Dirty Rat,

One more thing...
You wrote,
"I suggest you follow your religion and keep your words and your judgements to yourself, you know, that "turn the other cheek" thing (or whatever he said)?"

In all sincerity I say to you... why not read the Bible for yourself and learn "whatever he said"?! Because He said it to you and for you, because HE (Jesus) LOVES YOU!!!!
As a matter of fact, let me set the record straight! ...Even if any of you have had one or even more abortions already, GOD LOVES YOU!! and it is His desire to set you free from all sin so that you are no longer a slave to it. The Bible says that the penalty for sin is DEATH! But Jesus already paid that penalty FOR YOU by dying on the cross in your place. I am an imperfect person, just like all the rest of you on this board, and I in my emotional zeal may say something that offends you even though it is NOT my intention to offend anyone! I apologize. What is truly important is that we are all forgiven of our sins and Christ has made the way of reconciliation for us to God. All that we need to do is repent of our sins and accept Christ's sacrifice for us on the cross. THAT is the message of Christianity. If you are not certain at this moment whether or not you have eternal life, the Bible says in 1 John 5:13 that we may KNOW that we have eternal life! So pray to God in Christ's name, confess your sin, then believe in your heart and confess out loud your belief that Jesus is Lord and that God has raised Him from the dead and wonder no more!
You can read more at http://www.biblegateway.com

I suppose that those who spoke up and "judged" the Nazis for killing Jews should have shut up and "kept their words and judgements to themselves".

You have to be kidding, right!? Judging a person from a personal perspective is very different from judging someone who has caused harm or death to another. Of course those people should be judged in the eyes of the law. Your comparison is absolutely ridiculous. If someone were to be a murder then of course I would speak up and turn that person in. But, if someone where, for example, to have a bad haircut that made them look ridiculous I would keep that judgement to myself for fear of hurting that persons feelings. Way to take my comments completely out of context and to the utter extreme.

...explain to me why it is perfectly moral to kill a baby as long as it is still in the mother's womb, but then becomes murder the moment it is out of the womb??!!

Explain to me why you have to stick your nose in women's vaginas and dictate to them what they do to their bodies? I agree that late term abortions shouldn't be done. But, I certainly agree that abortions should legal and it should be up to the woman how she wants to deal with her pregnancy. We all ready have too many people in this world as it is and if you had your way we would certainly be overrun with population.

Can you also explain to me why the religious right is so against birth control which would reduce the number of abortions?

Just because he has the right doesn't mean he's not annoying or not an idiot (the idiot comment is just an opinion I share with the other posters).

Id like to know why he had to climb a tree. Was he being intimidated or harrassed? I will never get the whole truth from msnbc.

A known anti-abortion heckler tried to avoid police at Monday’s inauguration festivities by climbing a tree.

First line of the article. I know... reading is hard.

NO , it says he was avoiding the police , reread my question , y should he have had to avoid anyone? he wasnt breaking any laws, i know , seeing any opposite side is even more difficult than reading. THEY HARRASSED HIM & TRIED LIMITING HIS FREE SPEECH.

AND MANDY , if your gonna try n tell me that 1 single mans voice was more of a disruption to the ceremony than 100 or so people yelling na na na hey goodbye , then your an idiot & i refuse to argue with idiots , if that was the reason for the police harassment , then the others should have been arrested also. GET A CLUE!!!

I would be pretty annoyed if I had gotten tickets to a special event and some @sswipe was screaming propaganda next to me.

Don't lie, you would be angry too.

he had a ticket also & who are u to say what is propoganda? i see as he was dealing correctly with propoganda.

stimulating. if the guy had a ticket to a concert and was being disruptive, he would have been escorted out of the venue, it has nothing to do with 'freedom of speech,' and everything to do with being a public nuisance.

He had a ticket but he went there to be a problem and draw attention to himself rather than an event. Fantom is right, he would have been escorted out of everything. Would you like someone coming to your party stimulating, and screaming about how war is bad or something? Or would you make them leave?

no , he went there to draw attn to a cause & i hafta put up with obnoxious ppl every day of my life , in fact , im doing soo now , i also enlisted to defend his rights as well as yours , what have you contributed to said freedoms?

Well I see that you're no victim of abortion either. Go away!

Ron,

In my childhood............

Before ROE Vs WADE I have Been An Advocate Against The Crime Of ABORTION !

You Haven't A clue they Kill Babies Late Term - Just Before Birth - They Crush Their Heads and Suck The Babies Brains Out - When All Along These Babies Would Have Been Birthed Normal.

So You My Friend Need To eductate Yourself On What Is Murder And What Is An Accident !

Ripping Babies (Embryos) Out Of A Mothers Womb Is MURDER - NO LESS !

If You want to Associate MURDERING Babies With Kindness - You Are VERY SICK INDEED and ARE DESERVING OF THE ELECTRIC CHAIR OR BE HUNG AT THE END OF A ROPE - YOU AGREE WITH MURDER and Are A Co-Conspiritor !

Take your meds lucky.

Unluckyboy-2090407 Jesus isn't going to decide SHI*! Cause he is dead just like you are going to be when it's your time. Just like planet earth is going to be when our sun goes nova and peels off the atmosphere and the top five miles of dirt and rock. I KNOW you are afraid of oblivion but that is the way it goes in this universe and no matter how many fairy tales you make up or how much you think you believe in them it does not change the fact that you and everything you see around you WILL not exist one day!

yakfitguy

Natural Solution For Someome Mentally Ill As yourself !

spacedude61

EZ for you to say..................

Where will you go when you die.

I have personally seen both Heaven and HELL.............

And Yes, JESUS Died on The Cross 2000 Years Ago but Is Alive In Spirit and Spirit Body.

He is showing up all around the world to many people - Mostly Muslim. Go Figure ?

And Yes, He Will Decide where you and I will ultimately Go after We have taken our last breaths. !

JESUS Is GOD Incanate - He Is Not DEAD He Lives !

I'm not the one who appears mentally ill here lucky. Get some help.

Space, what amazes me is how blindly you believe all the nonsense that you just spouted off. Why do you believe? Because someone told you...period. You can NEVER prove to yourself, or anyone else the things that you believe about the sun going nova etc., it is pure blind faith, told to you by YOUR prophets...scientists. Even they will admit it is only a theory. As a matter of fact, they now believe that NOTHING is as it appears as they begin to ponder new ideas to explain reality, such as string theory etc.
Please, do not pretend to know anything more than anyone else because you too are only a speck of dust just like the rest of us. So please cut the know-it-all bit, it is quite a tired idea.

Kolchak, just be grateful that the mental hospital where you reside gives you access to the Internet.

...what amazes me is how blindly you believe all the nonsense...

LMFAO!

What amazes me is how you blindly believe all the nonsense you spout off! And then you question science? Please tell me, do you own a car? Do you use electricity? Do you watch television? Do you use a phone? Do you go to a doctor for any reason? Do you see a dentist? Did you get vaccinated as a child? Do you use a computer (oops we all ready know the answer to that)?

I'm willing to bet that every one of those answers is a "yes" (except for the TV, maybe). You wouldn't have any of these modern conveniences if it wasn't for science.

What has religion given us? Wars, death, and religious nutjobs who want to keep the country back in the Dark Ages based on ideas born thousands of years ago when people thought the Earth was the center of the universe, the Earth was flat, and executed anyone who went against their beliefs.

Science is clearly the winner vs. religion.

YOU DON"T GO ANY WERE,YOU'RE DEAD!!!! THAT'S THE END!! Like I said I know you are afraid of oblivion but the laws of this universe dictate that entropy will wipe out everything. It is happening right now but it's not strong enough for you to see it or feel it on this scale. I don't expect you to under stand it because you want to live forever but the laws of the universe doesn't care what you want, we are products of it and at it's mercy! That's the way it has been for billions of years before you were born and that is the way it will be for billions of years after you die until entropy takes total control. So let people make their own choices because it is there decision, NOT YOURS!!!!BTW, we observe stars going nova all the time and it is FACT!

SPACED-DUDE , if your familiar with entropy & dating , you should also be aware of redshift factor ,,,, ps , yes , the universe is heading toward stasis or death , that is a symptom of sin, want to know the cure?

spaced-dude , leading physicist in quantum mechanics & q physics have determined that if all space were eliminated & all tangible matter were gathered into 1 ball , the entire universe would fit into little more than a bathtub & thats only if they can prove higgs boson particle has mass & if they do manage to isolate the "god particle" as its referred to & it also can be broken down into smaller components , then the entire universe would likely fit into a sugar cube . Take that & compare it with gen 1:1 , where it says God made all things from nothing (nihilo) . This concept would have been laughable up until einstein came along & helped enlighten us as to what is actual reality. Turns out , the scriptures were closer to the truth than ever thought possible by science or thinking man.

There is no cure because there is no disease! It is the natural state of the universe and nothing is going to stop it! It's not "stasis", it is called the big rip! The reason it is called the big rip is because at some point in time the strong nuclear force will not be able to hold the electron cloud together or protons and neutrons together in the nucleus. Sin has nothing to do with it!!!

stimulatingsolution, first off Gen1:1 does not state "god made all things from nothing"! It states that "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" To quote one of your buddies "YOU LIE". Also earth did not exist 13.7 billion years when a singularity expanded into what we call the universe. The earth is only around 4.5 billion years or according to people like you 10K years old(which is false). Another misconception is that we tend to image the singularity as a little fireball appearing somewhere in space. According to the many experts however, space,time and mass didn't exist prior to the expansion(big bang). The higgs is a very hard thing to wrap your head around and is made up of three entities. The Higgs field is a quantum field that the Standard Model of physics predicts pervades the universe and creates drag on particles(gives them mass).*The Higgs boson is a sub-atomic particle that acts as the intermediary between the Higgs field and other particles. All fields are mediated by bosons, some of which pop into and out of existence depending on the state of the field, sort of like how rain drops emerge out of a cloud when it reaches a certain point. The electromagnetic field that pervades the universe, for example, is mediated by photons. Finding the Higgs boson would confirm that the Higgs field exists, and that field has long been postulated as a way of explaining an array of other physical phenomena. This interaction between the field, the boson and other particles is the Higgs mechanism. Dude you are way out of your league here but I'm glad to see that even you have doubts about your religion so keep on going and your mind will evolve and you will see the truth.

stasis , nothing cold , nothing hot , nothing moving & the theory of drawing back inward is just that , stasis=dead, stasis isnt the next act , it is a condition, note entropy , the only big rip is tween your cortex & fingers

The Bible does not explicitly state the term "out of nothing" regarding creation. However, biblical scholars do believe that the totality of Scripture does in fact teach this. Looking at such passages as Genesis 1:1ff, Psalms 33:6, Psalms 148:5, John 1:3, Colossians 1:16, and Hebrews 11:3 gives a more complete picture of how God created the world. Viewing the entire biblical account has allowed theologians to conclude with this interpretation. i dont lie , i take the whole of scripture & as for dating , it is all rectified within the redshift factor & im familiar with up & down quarks & building blocks of neutrons & the perplexing anomaly of where mass actually comes from & opposing forces & what keeps atoms together & all the speculation , where we differ is your still looking for the force , i say its held together by the will of God

Also spaced-dud , go check the original hebrew texts , a good place would be the westminster leningrad codex , you will find 2 letters in the hebrew texts that were ommitted from all other translations , after the word Elohim , youll find the aleph & the tau . 2 Rabbis (Maimonides & Naimonides) , around 1000 ad , ascertained from studying these 2 letters , that there are actually 10 dimensions , 4 are knowable , heighth , width , depth & Time , 6 dimensions are unknowable & this was 1000 yrs before einstein came to that discovery . They also taught as other rabbis , that B'resheit was actually a creative command , the first thing created wasnt night & day as taught in mainstream christianity . That when B'resheit (beginning) occurred , time & matter came into beginning. Also , i dont hold to a 6000 yr old universe or a 4.5 billion yr old universe , as in redshift factor & einsteins theory , im aware of time being relative to mass & distance . I not only try to keep abreast with recent theories in physics , but in 1000 yr old writings & even older , as long as its relative. PS , you can access the original hebrew scriptures by doing a search on westminster leningrad codex on line or visit your nearest Israelite .

Stimulatingsolutions, It sure sounds a lot like you are trying to convince yourself of the fairy tales because you want to live forever and that is simply not the way it is and if any of this "recent theories in physics" is sinking in then you know that everything changes from the higher states(organized) to the lower states(no organization). this is from Webster's:

1
: a slowing or stoppage of the normal flow of a bodily fluid or semifluid: as a : slowing of the current of circulating blood b : reduced motility of the intestines with retention of feces

2
a : a state of static balance or equilibrium : stagnation b : a state or period of stability during which little or no evolutionary change in a lineage occurs
So again not stasis! No galaxy super clusters, no galaxy clusters, no galaxies, no solar systems, no planets or stars not even atoms and maybe no electrons,protons and neutrons just quark soup!
I think you are thinking of the third law of thermal dynamics and calling it stasis. BTW your fake god is not holding anything together because dark energy is stretching space/time. Keep going you are get closer.

i am perfectly aware of stasis & have confused nothing , entropy is evident in all systems . isnt it strange , that science is getting closer to what God tried explaining 1000's of yrs ago

heb 11:3

By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by
the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which
are visible.
& im not trying to convince anyone , least of all myself , i am so sure , that i can even say to a degree of certainty , what God has done , but what i believe he is going to do , time is running out , i suggest you get a book titled HARBINGER & educate yourself.

stimy,stimy,stimy, it would seem that your "I not only try to keep abreast with recent theories in physics but in 1000 yr old writings & even older" is not yours at all but the vain babbling of Orthodox Jewish Physicist Dr. Gerald L. Schroeder! Now stimy did you really think I would not check? The bad Dr. Schroeder tried to connect science fact with religion particularly the Genesis myth. Also Maimonides & Naimonides did not ascertain anything about 10 dimension! this only happened in the bad Dr. Schroeder mind! From his own writings,"God chose from the infinite realm of the Divine, ten dimensions or aspects and relegated them to be held within the universe. These dimensions are hinted at in the ten repetitions of the statements, "and God said..." used in the opening chapter of Genesis. With an amazing congruity, particle physicists now talk of the String Theory, a unified description of our universe in ten dimensions." As you can see Dr. Schroeder said "hinted" not ascertained as you stated. YOU LIE!!! Here is a quote from one of the bad Dr. Schroeder's peers. "Schroeder's explanation requires a leap of faith. It is fine as long as it is not suggested to be an explanation based on science. There is nothing scientific in the notion that God's frame of reference may be vastly different from men's frame of reference. As far as faith is considered, the above assertion is not a new one, and is simply beyond any discussion in rational, scientific terms. Schroeder, though, wants readers to believe that the described explanation is somehow based on the theory of relativity. It is not." Ya see stimy that is the problem with you people you make statements like "i can even say to a degree of certainty , what God has done" and the fact is you base it on a leap of misguided faith that is not really faith at all but the desire to never face oblivion!!!

Harbinger??!! LOL!! WOW, you really are eat up with this whole god bull shi* aren't you? Not even your own religious freak dooms day buddies have good things to say about this book. This is from James,David.

"because of serious flaws throughout the book, the potential dangers may well outweigh the benefits. Many of the author’s views and ideas as presented in The Harbinger are misguided, having both significant exegetical and theological problems. Additionally, the book could well leave its readers with serious misunderstandings about how to appropriately interpret and apply the Word of God. Not only does The Harbinger fail to reveal a mystery in Isaiah:9:10, but in spite of the much-needed call to repentance, the book presents a danger to believers and unbelievers alike."

Lets just say that your fake god is real. We make first contact with a being that can manipulate space/time,matter/energy. Would that make this being a god? NO,it would make it a being that we have never known before that has EVOLVED into a state of existence that we have not learned of yet. It would only make it an advanced species not a god. gods are man made!!! Time to throw away your human sacrifice(Jesus) and face the fact that we have to work toward a better future because no fake god will save us from our bad decisions like want the world to end so you can be with a man that died 2000 years ago! I'm done with you and this comment board because you and all your religious freaks may be lost for the rest of your life! GOOD BYE AND GOOD LUCK BECAUSE YOU'LL NEED IT!!!!

Nothing you just said is true.

Those who did it at President Bush's inauguration were arrested just like this self righteous freak was. There is a time and a place to protest and the inauguration of the President of the United States of America not the time or place no matter Dem or Repub! It's called respect for the office!!

Little boy, You haven't a clue. Late term abortion is illegal.

"ripping embryos" out does not involve ripping, and does not qualify as murder of any kind.

Sometimes it IS a kindness. There are many cases where this is so.

You know what I think? I think men who are against abortion should have to wear pregnancy bellies for 9 months, and be shot up with different hormones which make them gain weight, cry over lettuce, and yell at people (oh wait, they're already good at that). No drinking, No smoking, no heavy lifting. And you should also be forced to fork over $15K for the experience and you are expected to be pleasant about it.

Unfortunately we can't just put one in you. This way is still way easier, and I'd bet you would complain.

Mandy,

I do not suppose it will matter much to you either way, but I only mention it because you tried to make it a deciding factor issue...

In addittion to my wife, I personally know of hundreds of women who are PRO-LIFE! Add to that the millions who I do not personally know and gender no longer becomes a deciding factor in the immorality of abortion.

Good for you Kolchak! Congrats on knowing people!

And I never tried to make it a deciding factor. You could point to me where, though. I just said that men should have to experience it. At least women who are pro choice typically know what pregnancy will do to their bodies.

"Leave the gun"...

"do everything they can keep a birth on track and then completely forget about them after they are born."

What have YOU done for them after they were born?

Leave the gun, I'm confused, how do you speculate this from someone climbing a tree and expressing their opinion? Granted, they may be annoying, but that is no excuse for you to spew your bigotry, by doing so, you are no better than him. Kolchak also raises quite a good point.

If you are so accepting of your government, I suggest you look up what happened to the Bonus army as well as the McMinn County War. Your government harbors little love for you, and people who believe these "crocks of sh*t" stood up to the government and showed people their true colors, it's a shame that the survivors of these events couldn't get the point off to their arrogant children who were brainwashed to love and respect authority, no matter the extreme.