you know its cold when you breath in thru your nose and your nostrils stick together. if youve never had this happen you live where its warm!

Republicans clearly don't understand statics as evidenced by their November surprise. Average surface temperatures have risen 1.33 degrees in the last 100 years with more than half of the increase(.72 degrees) since 1979. Global warming doesn't mean that it won't get cold! But hang in there know-nothings, maybe you'll win next time... just don't ignore the numbers.

But it hasn't warmed in 16 years! While the CO2 concentration has continued to climb. Why waste $billions on a problem that doesn't exist, and strap an economy that is still struggling?

Only a fool doesn't understand the difference between local weather effects and global climate change.

Only a fool would point to a short term pattern to say global climate change is non-existant.

Do we really have that many denying fools?

At such low temperatures even metal parts become brittle. Dangerous for moving ski lift parts as well.

Only an idiot doesn't understand the difference between local weather effects and global climate change.

Only an idiot would point to a short term pattern to say global climate change is non-existant.

Do we really have that many idiots?

When the "warming" periods are only 30 years long, a 16 year "freeze" on temp increases IS significant.

Try learning a little bit about the science before you comment. It has warmed. Man made CO2 emmissions is not the cause.

It's possible that the planet would inevitably change climate over time. It's nearly impossible to say for sure right now what the exact cause is of the weather changes on the planet. Who is to say the exact global temperature before we started monitoring didn't vary. Even with our "perfect" science we constantly make incorrect estimates on stuff because a lack of variables.

My wife is praying for global warming so that we get to move to a warmer climate without having to sell the house.

The climate is getting warmer - that doesn't seem to be in doubt according to most scientists. And while we can argue forever over the primary cause, why bother? Whether it is a natural pattern or we've done it to ourselves, most scientists also agree that our actions impact the climate whether it's CO2 emissions, clearcutting the rainforest, or littering oceans with fields of plastic bigger than some states. Since even a few degrees upward shift is going to change things significantly for us in terms of rising sea levels and extreme weather (impacting living conditions, food production and energy usage), why not do what we can to lessen the impact we make? Not to do so while we argue about the primary cause (or worse, deny the problem exists) is, IMO, the equivalent of fiddling while Rome burns.

Soon, we will not be able to better things no matter what we do. I get that fixing the deficit is important for future generations. I agree; we have no right to saddle them with mountains of our debt. But the climate issue exists, and there is a limited amount of time for positive impact there, too. To focus on the deficit and let the climate take a back seat because we have an "economy that is still struggling," means future generations can enjoy their debt-free status while broiling, freezing, and/or bailing water and coping with food and drinkable water shortages. They won't be thanking us for that, either.

cgtrav

Only a fool doesn't understand the difference between local weather effects and global climate change.

define the difference between "local " and "global" last i looked this country took up a good size chunk of the globe.

Only a fool would point to a short term pattern to say global climate change is non-existant.

Ever hear of the Donner party? or is that considered "short term" as well?

Do we really have that many denying fools?

Better question is do we really have that many lemmings that completely trust their govt and the govt. funded studies thereof.

B.S. to your ridiculous hysterics. You have no clue and neither do t he pretend scientists we call climatologists as to what the future will look like. A large volcanic eruption spewing cinders and ash into the sky could change the climate in less than 3 months. Further, many climatologists get their "heat" figures by taking readings in and around large cities where the figures are skewered by the heat island effect. We also have the historical fact of the little ice age which caused events such as the French Revolution and the Irish Potato famine so we have evidence of colder temperatures being devastating anyway. No one can prove that by tinkering with the climate we won't make things worse. Let the climate go to hell until we solve the immediate and pressing problem of being overwhelmed by debt. Nothing comes close in importance and if we don't start then climate change won't makea difference to those of us who were lucky enough to life in America when it was a good place i.e. more than 30 years ago.

skibum: Actually, we do know whether tinkering with the climate will make things worse. IT WILL! Every time we tinker with Mother Nature, the libs have unanimously declared that it is bad for Mother Nature.

It's January and it's wintertime in the north. This is news?

Only a fool doesn't understand the difference between local weather effects and global climate change.

Only a fool would point to a short term pattern to say global climate change is non-existant.

Do we really have that many denying fools?

Is that similar to the fools, the majority of GW nuts, that think every single weather pattern is evidence of GW? Which im sure you sit in that category and think nothing of it.

Curious how this FEMA article got DROPPED from the MSNBC nbcnews_com website after less than three hours on the homepage.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/24/16644140-fema-leaves-many-sandy-victims-languishing?threadId=3652625&commentId=73659776#c73659776

Call from Jay Carney/White House Chief of Staff?? Too truthful? Obliterates the Marxist narrative that the President cares about white people, at least before the election? How much did those multiple Hawaii vacations cost while Sandy Victims are left out in the cold? <***ZAPP***>

What FEMA article? Who is Sandy? I really DO love Big Brother...

My family was talking about the cold this morning. We were dismayed by the sensationalist Media coverage of this. Acting like this cold is much more of a deal than it really is. I can remember lows of -30, and this is in Ohio. The Media is the problem, not the weather. And for all the global warming groupies. If the were really serious about fixing the CO and planetary warming, they would stop letting the big cities get bigger. They are a large part of the problem, artificially heating and excessively polluting the atmosphere. People shouldn't live at that high a population density.

How cold is it, Johnny?

It's so cold, the Satute of Liberty was see holding the torch under her robes......

cgtrav, love the avitar by the way. Fool is a term used to label people we disagree with. Sounds rather foolish to me. You forgot to use the term "hater" for anyone YOU hate.

Look, climate changes. I get that. Do we need to monitor for pollution and its effects? Yep. Salt Lake City of all places has asked today for an emergency reduction in speed limits for cars to reduce pollution output because of a temperature inversion in the intermountain region which traps emmissions near ground level due to the cold. Have scientists LIED to "hide the decline" of global temperatures in the last decade or so? Ask the good professors of East Anglia University.

Al-my-pal Gore has invested his fortunes in setting up sham "carbon credit exchanges" to enrich himself and tax the rest of us. He is using the weapon of our own government to shepherd all of us to his little corner on the market. He gets rich, we get SHEARED. So what's new?

Temperatures have been more closely correlated with SOLAR activity than human activity. Why do we have to keep getting more government intrusion (and taxes on our own breath) because THE SUN CHANGES ITS ACTIVITY LEVEL and therefore heats our planet? Liberal Fascism and crony capitalism at its finest.

A biblical proverb/conundrum: "Rebuke a fool in his folly lest he be wise in his own eyes; Do not rebuke a fool in his folly lest he turn and attack you..."

Wait just a cotton picking moment.....you guys are talking global warming....when I am just learning about the victims of Sandy. What victims? Didn't President Obama go visit the area, walk around with Gov Christy hugging each other? Weren't we told that everything was just fine and that the full force of the federal government was present and going to fix everything? Now, months later, I hear there are still people living in make shift shelters and tents? Why aren't we being shown daily pictures of the suffering until it's fixed. Why isn't the media talking about the fact people still haven't been taken care of? Where is the outrage?

Willowbrook makes an excellent point. Ever notice that Liberals are most concentrated in major urban centers, which have the most population density, consume the most, produce the least, and are huge concrete and asphalt GRIDDLES which store and generate the most HEAT? If you've ever flown over Los Angeles, the only place that isn't PAVED is the steepest part of the mountains.

So, maybe big cities are the CULPRIT and project their own guilt off onto the "racist" countryside? NAH, say it ain't so, Joe! Tell 'em it ain't so!

Green zones? Carbon Credits? Please forgive the implications, but it sounds like ethnic guilt combined with Freudian projection and Catholic Indulgences, where the princes could do whatever nasty deeds they wished, as long as they paid off the Monsignor.

"A liberal is someone who feels a great debt to his fellow man, which debt he
proposes to pay off with your money." – G. Gordon Liddy [www_lpboulder_org/quotes]

I just hope pet owners realize how dangerous this is for their furry charges. Dogs feet can get frost bite, and they can get respiratory illnesses if exposed to bitter cold for long periods of time.

While I am in favor of reducing carbon emissions, from what I've seen, the temperature increase graphs don't see a significant changes during periods where carbon emissions have increased dramatically. The thing is, we're not going to solve this problem, because our population growth is out of control. If we start reducing our numbers, all of our environmental and resource problems will be solved.

Saying that Co2 levels in the atmosphere may not be the cause of surface temperature increases especially since 1979 makes you a climate change denier. We know that Co2 emissions are detrimental to our health - we know that ground level ozone is detrimental to our health, why do we need to dance around the data like it will not exist if we don't look at it? There is no good reason to wait around and SEE if we are indeed expediting our own demise. Money spent on technologies that emit less pollution is money well spent.

@cgtrav, YES! We do and it's unbelievable.

We know that Co2 emissions are detrimental to our health

CO2 is required for life! It is not detrimental at these concentrations!

we know that ground level ozone is detrimental to our health

You do realize that CO2 and Ozone are not the same, right? Ozone is O3.

Saying that Co2 levels in the atmosphere may not be the cause of surface temperature increases especially since 1979 makes you a climate change denier.

And saying that it does makes you a global warming collaberator. What's your point? Get the real facts!

The existence of a cold-spell in the northeast United States in January neither confirms nor denies the existence of global warming and/or climate change (choose your moniker).

That being said however, climate change IS occurring, this is undeniable scientific fact. In addition, there is very little argument amongst serious people and those informed on the matter that CO2 emissions from human activity has contributed, and will continue to contribute, substantially to this change. Period, end of discussion.

There are those who will come along to deny this, but I'll trust the men and women with PhD's who study this stuff over random internet posters any day. And if you're smart, you will too.

@skeptical, if you weren't so happily falling all over yourself in your sKepticism you might have read the point of my post. "Real facts"? there are only facts. Again another concept that escapes conservatives.

"Real facts"? there are only facts.

Here is a real fact - there has been NO warming for 16 years! How is that explained in AGW theory? How is it that every prediction made by the IPCC has failed, and failed in a big way over future temp forcasts. They all predicted higher temps than actually occurred, and this is after they were modified after each failure!

Don't believe me, take a look at their own draft AR5 report. They admit it.

NASA, after years of saying that it wasn't the sun, is now admitting that it is the sun!

These are the facts!

I think im missing something here, somewhere, or maybe something IS missing here.

If you take a look at any current photos of Sandy disaster areas it looks like Sandy happened two weeks ago, not three whole months ago. If you knew anybody that was Directly effected, they will tell you that they had to fend for themselves completely on their own as a community without power, clean water, and food for an extended amount of time after the storm subsided.

Now this is what I do not understand, although FEMA’s center for operations is at Mount Weather which is less than 300 miles away from New York, NY and New Jersey, they arrived only after four days had passed and they have failed tremendously at being prepared for a massive storm that just about every person in our Nation knew about way ahead of time, “Frankenstorm” it was called I do believe. On article I read at the time said this

“The people of New York and New Jersey are in great need right now, and response teams have been slow at best. FEMA, though present, only responded four days after the fact. What's worse is that they have set up relief stations in practically inaccessible areas - very few people have the means of getting to FEMA stations since nearly all of New York City's fuel is gone; further, if even individuals or families have the means to access a Federal Relief station, they are unwilling to travel far from their residences for fear of looting.”

Even though FEMA’s annual budget is now $13 BILLION a year and they sit around all year when disasters are not occurring and have plenty of time to prepare for emergencies and how to respond to them(Supposedly their self proclaimed Mission) they have failed to accommodate our ci9vilians adequately.

And multiple other articles all expressed this following bit from a Sandy Survivor

“At (Pine Belt) the Red Cross made an announcement that they were sending us to permanent structures up here that had just been redone, that had washing machines and hot showers and steady electric, and they sent us to tent city. We got (expletive),” distraught Oceanport camp resident Brian Sotelo said.

As if adding insult to injury, the camp is referred to as “Camp Freedom,” however, Sotelo says camp residents feel more like they’re imprisoned: “Everybody is angry over here. It’s like being prison [sic].”

As no media is allowed beyond the fences of the camp, what little news has managed to escape the area is disturbing. Angered residents are revealing that they are intentionally being kept quiet, being denied electricity to charge their phones and suspect surveillance by roving vehicle patrols.

Sotelo also noted that several members of the camp had tried to contact the media regarding the horrendous living conditions, but were met with opposition: “After everyone started complaining and they found out we were contacting the press, they brought people in. Every time we plugged in an iPhone or something, the cops would come and unplug them.”

“As Sotelo tells it, when it became clear that the residents were less than enamored with their new accommodations Wednesday night and were letting the outside world know about it, officials tried to stop them from taking pictures, turned off the WiFi and said they couldn’t charge their smart phones because there wasn’t enough power,” reports Stephen Edelson of the Asbury Park Press.

According to Sotelo, victims are not being allowed to return to their homes, even though, as part of a relief crew, he’s driven past his own rented home several times, noting it had only sustained about a foot’s worth of water damage.”

Again…..$13 Billion a year….to do what?

And why are they having welders across the country weld shackles into train cars?

Indian tribesmen that go out on hunting ventures have found Hundreds of these cars sitting in the middle of depots in the middle of forests

Here is an excerpt from ONE article in wich the journalist went to investigate these reports.

“I later received a report from Lee Harrington of Valier, MT, who was a professional metal worker. He told me how in Glascow, MT, summer youth workers were employed to weld shackles into boxcars in that operation. They were then shipped west to Glacier and stored on remote sidetracks. Passing through the Blackfoot Indian Reservation in Cutbank, a local Blackfoot Indian, George Bullcalf, spotted these strange boxcars. When I interviewed local Patriots in Columbia Falls, they confirmed that hunters often stumbled upon such boxcars on remote train spurs in that wilderness region.

I THEN TRAVELED TO PORTLAND OREGON, and lectured in the home of an actual employee of GUNDERSON STEEL FABRICATION. The wife of this high level executive called this meeting personally to make a public admission. In the meeting were OTHER GUNDERSON EMPLOYEES who had witnessed the prisoner boxcars in the higher than normal, three floor/three tier prisoner boxcars. She admitted that her husband finally told her that GUNDERSON WAS UNDER SECRET CONTRACT FROM THE US GOVERNMENT TO PRODUCE THESE PRISONER BOXCARS. She also admitted that Gunderson had a satellite factory for a boxcars with shackles operation in Texas.

I called Col. Jim Ammerman in Texas, famous military Patriot-lecturer against martial law, and told him about this. He replied, “A friend of mine who is a metal welder called me recently, and said he had gone to apply for a job in offered in Texas for welding. When he was told that it involved WELDING SHACKLES INTO BOXCARS, he declined the job!” I later interviewed Russian immigrants in this area who admitted that some of their people were working at Gunderson, and one young man, Sasha, admitted working on prisoner boxcars and described them completely to his Russian Christian friends there. THE RUSSIAN COMMMUNITY NOW KNOWS ABOUT THEM AND IS VERY AFRAID OF THE IMPLICATIONS!!!”

Funny, as ski areas all over the southwest are closing because it is too warm to snow or even make snow too! Worse yet, having worked in the ski business 30 years ago, I doubt that Wildcat is closing because of the cold rather than because high winds at altitude make operating their lifts unsafe, as high-speed wind gusts can blow empty chairs into lift towers and derail the lift cable. There is also an increased chance of trees getting blown down across lift lines with high winds at altitude too, which actually happened on the Birds of Prey lift when I worked at Beaver Creek during the 1983-84 winter season.

Is Lutsen, MN closed because it is 27 below zero? Not. How about Afton Alps? I have even seen 27 below zero in Chicago and Kalamazoo, MI in my life, and none of the local ski areas there closed because of such low temperatures then either. I did ski at Stowe, VT once back in the 1980s when they closed their gondola and the main Mt. Mansfield chair when it was very cold out, but again, those lifts were closed because of the wind direction and velocity, as they continued to operate the Spruce Peak lift because the wind direction wasn't as dangerous to operation even though the wind chill at the summit was 60-70 below zero at least.

http://www.onthesnow.com/minnesota/lutsen-mountains/skireport.html

http://www.spiritmt.com/ski-board/snow-report/

How about Mt Sutton Quebec, are they closed because it is too cold?

http://www.montsutton.com/en/

How about Mount Tremblant?

http://www.tremblant.ca/ski-and-golf/mountain/snow-report.aspx

Why not put the emotion-driven non-scientific nonsense aside and then discuss the implications of climate change after looking at some serious science from a non-biased perspective?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/a-warming-arctic-greenland-s-ice-sheet-melting-faster-than-ever-a-661192.html

http://www.all-recycling-facts.com/glaciers-melting.html

http://thewe.cc/weplanet/news/glaciers_melting.htm

http://www.nichols.edu/departments/glacier/glacier%20runoff%20hydropower.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/16/AR2011011604900.html

http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/plehner/in_patagonia_chiles_glaciers_m.html

The fact is that if warming at high altitude in the Andes continues on the same rate as it has since 1970, within just 15-20 years a rapidly-growing urban area the size of metro-Chicago will not have water for agriculture, industry, power generation, or drinking between mid-summer and the following spring every year. Since 1970 average temperatures at high altitude in the Andes are up by about 10 degrees Fahrenheit, as they are in Greenland and both the Arctic and the Antarctic too.

The Chilean Ministry of the Environment has proposed damming five rivers in Patagonia, 2000 miles south of Santiago, in order to construct the necessary hydroelectric capacity to continue to keep Santiago viable, which the environmental protection movement has lambasted, but the only alternative would appear to be to move Santiago much further south instead, as they will also be forced to bring in water by aqueduct from 1000 or more miles away to continue to survive too.

http://english.ruvr.ru/2012_09_17/Methane-emissions-in-Arctic-cause-climate-change-catastrophic-effect-expert-says/

http://epa.gov/climatechange/ghgemissions/gases/ch4.html

http://green.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/10/23/food-and-climate-a-new-warning/

http://priceofoil.org/thepriceofoil/global-warming/

http://www.docbrown.info/page04/global_warming.htm

http://www.stockholmresilience.org/planetary-boundaries

http://www.iea.org/topics/climatechange/

http://www.iea.org/aboutus/faqs/climatechange/

Isn't it interesting that very highly respected science tells us that a global temperature rise of more than 3 degrees Celsius would be catastrophic to human life on our planet and yet other very highly respected science tells us that if global fossil fuel demand growth through 2050 continues as forecast, our planet is looking at a global average temperature rise of between 5 and 6 degrees Celsius, or 9 to 10.8 degrees Fahrenheit, along with a sea-level rise of 3-5 meters by mid-century, just 37 years from now, and as much as a 7 meter rise in sea-level by the end of our current century, which will inundate large areas of viable farmland as well as many of our world's largest cities too!

Here is a good question: How much of the entire State of Florida will survive a sea-level rise of 5 meters? How about the cities of Houston, TX or New Orleans? What about the country of Holland or low-lying Bangladesh, where most of that country's food is grown?

What do we do about climate change refugees, people driven from environments no longer livable, as it is expected that there could be billions of such refugees if even an average climate change scenario is realized?

http://www.climate.org/topics/environmental-security/climate-refugee-policy.html

No, lets just keep burning oil and coal so that oil and coal barons can keep their money train going, and lets ignore as much science as is possible too!

@sKeptical,

I see your "real facts" and raise you a fact:

Worldwide, 2001-2010 was the warmest decade on record since thermometer-based observations began. Global average surface temperature has risen at an average rate of 0.14°F per decade since 1901, similar to the rate of warming within the contiguous 48 states. Since the late 1970s, however, the United States has warmed faster than the global rate.

Jay Peak? Open, operating 6 of 9 lifts

http://www.jaypeakresort.com/

How about Saddleback, ME, are they closed because it is "too cold"? Nope!

http://www.saddlebackmaine.com/conditions

Stowe? Nope. In fact downright balmy compared to Mt. Sutton, only -12 F at the summit, with 8 of 9 lifts running today!

http://www.stowe.com/ski-ride/conditions/

Since when does it have to be nice out to go skiing, especially in the Northeast?

Is Mad River Glen closed because it is "too cold" outside?

http://www.madriverglen.com/

What about Old Iceface?

http://www.whiteface.com/mountain/conditions

Look there, too windy to safely operate the upper lifts there too!

Our climate is CONSTANTLY changing. There is NOTHING that can be done about it. Do humans contribute to that? Sure. So do volcanoes, earthquakes, cloud cover and every other conceivable thing on this Earth. Why do people look back in history and only see 20, 30 or 40 years? This planet has seen MANY warming treands and JUST AS MANY COOLING TRENDS! It is a fact of science that our current MONITORY CROOKS ARE TRYING TO TAKE ADVANTAGE OF.

Stop believing it. Stop pandering to their lies.

START WORRYING MORE ABOUT YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS PEOPLE. THAT IS THE REAL CRISIS. Look back in history 100 or 200 years. How obout 400 or 500 years. Look for the patterns. Look for the reality of what is actually going on around you instead of the. Forget the latest soap opera in your latest distraction of choice.

You think that it is "too cold" to ski at Wildcat, what's the windchill here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8r9V0v5fq4

Global warming means the world is getting warmer and extreme climates. 2012 was the warmest year on record and the weather has been more extreme with spring like temperatures in January to sub-zero temps within a week.

To those who don't believe in global warming and think the world is infinite, imagine the following. You are in an air-tight room. Then someone throws some wood and coal into the room and burns it (let's assume the room itself cannot catch fire). That is what we're doing. Taking millions of years of stored carbon energy and burning it up in a few hundred years. Due to gravity and the atmosphere, it is staying here and not drifting into outer space. It will go into the air, water, and ground.

In the air = warmer temps and in the water = more acidic marine environment.

Yes the climate constantly changes it, but some actions exacerbate the change. The people arguing the constant constantly changes might as well make the same argument in the case of a nuclear war. We are changing it by disallowing natural processes. IE we are adding more carbon + cutting down trees/destroying plants, so we basically disrupt the Carbon Cycle through our actions.

Here are some nice graphs about rising global temperatures. So NASA is in on the "scam" too?

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/graphs_v3/

How come that it is generally rural Republicans with little academic knowledge that so heavily question climate change science?

How come that it is generally rural Republicans with little academic knowledge that so heavily question climate change science?

Did you read the post above yours? Talk about your lack of scientific knowledge.

To those who don't believe in global warming and think the world is infinite, imagine the following. You are in an air-tight room. Then someone throws some wood and coal into the room and burns it (let's assume the room itself cannot catch fire). That is what we're doing. Taking millions of years of stored carbon energy and burning it up in a few hundred years. Due to gravity and the atmosphere, it is staying here and not drifting into outer space. It will go into the air, water, and ground.

enough said there.

What makes you think I am a rural republican?

I happen to be fron NY, and not upstate. My political affiliation has no bearing on this topic. I have a BS and an MS in Chemical Engineering, and have a PE license as well.

skeptical12345 The top 11 warmest years on record were all in the previous 13 years, said NASA in 2007, and the first half of 2010 has already gone down in history as the hottest ever recorded.

oldtimer: You are absolutely right! I've used to ski Wildcat years ago, when it was just as cold as it is now. Notice the difference between the real temp and the windchill. That tells you that it is windy there, which is not surprising. The don't run the lifts when it is too windy so they won't derail. And, it is a windy neck of the woods. Anybody know whether Channel 8 still has their crew across the street on the top of Washington for the winter? I remember Al, the guy with the smile at the end, years ago. We called him Big Al.

Anybody interested in the best skiing experience in North America? Just go across the street to Tuckerman's Ravine. If you're good enough, try the Head Wall. The price is right and the adrenaline is high.

But, yes, it can be very windy there. So, it's very misleading, which is par for the course for NBC, to state that they've shut down for the cold. It's the wind! But, just imagine how cold it would have been without global warming.

So, climate changes, and Al Gore gets money from us over it. How'd that happen? He is EVERY BIT the Machiavellian SOCIOPATH he and other liberals accuse those "evil" energy company execs of being.

Boxcars with shackles? Sounds like Kristalnacht to me...

GMOA42, just re-read your post. WHISKEY-TANGO-FOXTROT, OVER???

If they (and you) are for-real, this DOES have implications. Boxcars for mass relocations? FEMA camps?? If this is not total fabrication, the implications are nothing short of terrifying. One more of the 1313 "Libertarian Quotes" from the Libertarian Party of Boulder, Colorado: "Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely."--Lord Acton [www_lpboulder_org/quotes]

Y’know, I may just go to that gun show this weekend…

@sKeptical, you're not just a GW denier, you are in denial of your education. I'm sorry that the facts don't support your assumptions about the world, but the truth is that your denier position is a minority position - worldwide - in addition to the scientific community. You are wrong and I don't want to wait to find out for sure.

From: worldpublicopinion.org/pipa/articles/btenvironmentra/187.php?nid=&id=&pnt=187&lb=bte

A poll of 30 countries from around the world finds that a large majority of people in all countries polled believe that climate change or global warming is a serious problem. No country has more than one in five saying it is not a serious problem.

@...and-man. Look, there are "facts" all over the place. You've chosen yours and will accuse others of being a "denier" or a "hater" for chosing other facts, especially the ones whose perspective you "deny" or people YOU "hate." S'pose it works both ways, but according to AA, D-E-N-I-A-L stands for "don't even know I am lying..."

And opinion polls of majority opinions of 30 countries means very little other than they've read and believed the same propaganda. Opinion, especially of the general population, proves very little, especially when the scientific community doesn't agree within itself.

It all comes back to who controls the narrative, and the people. You have been propagandized by your public education which for the past 50 years or so has been controlled by the narrative of the openly marxist Teachers College of Columbia University in NYC. If you're "open minded" enough, you may want to check out the book I mentioned above by a former CIA counter-intel counter terrorism expert, Kent Clizbe, who wrote "Willing Accomplices" [Ashburn, VA: ANDEMCA PRESS, 2011--available on Kindle by Amazon_com and in paperback by KentClizbe_com]. He outlines how Political Correctness (the zeitgeist of your public education) was infused by Lenin's KGB into Hollywood, the press, and academia. PC has ruled our information and culture for the past 40 or 50 years. The USSR may have collapsed, but communism in our midst is alive and well. If you're intellectually honest, you'll be open to new ideas. If not, keep believing what you've been brainwashed to believe. Happy PC-ness...

Dog-gone Skeptical, kind of sensitive and/or paranoid or what?

No, my post was not aimed at you at all, no, instead it was aimed at a couple of posters further up the list that didn't have much nice to say in a blanket manner about cities and their residents instead. Take a look at post #1.20 if you don't believe me. How would I know where you live?

In addition to my 30+ years of commercial freight logistics experience and my 20+ years of urban wholesale fresh food warehousing and distribution experience, I also have a dual degree in urban planning and environmental science with recent urban sustainability planning coursework thrown-in too. I am also a licensed single-engine Private Pilot and licensed to operate watercraft of up to 40 feet in length in the waters of the State of Michigan too! Believe me, I know a fair amount about recent climate change science too.

Plus I am a liberal Democrat too.

Hey Davy Jones from my hometown, I have a book for you to read, and it isn't even about climate change either! Check-out "The End of Growth", by Richard Heinberg of the Post-Carbon Institute, who is one of the world's leading oil reserve science specialists. He would like you to read his book so much that an abridged version is available here for free. Might I recommend Chapter #3, as it is the really exciting part!

http://www.postcarbon.org/end-of-growth-chapters/

Ban climate change.

liberals didn't like the term global warming because it didn't cover cold spells.... hence the new all inclusive and politically correct term - 'Climate Change'! Coincidentally this bought of 'Climate Change' in the NE has occurred many times in our history, but our libbie friends prefer to blame it on carbon emissions! What 'Climate Change' really means is more government control and regulation along with more taxes!

Ben.... it should be bout, not bought. However your point is valid.

In fact the first settler's to come to America and the first to celebrate the first Thanksgiving with the native Indians included a woman named Libbie, who claimed that the cold weather that winter was due to over population and emissions from the wood fire they used to cook and warm themselves. She suggested such fires should be regulated by a kind and gentle government. Of course the other settlers and the Indians all thought she was a fool and started calling little Libbie a Liberal. And that my folks, is how it all started!

Of course the other settlers and the Indians all thought she was a fool and started calling little Libbie a Liberal. And that my folks, is how it all started!

Words such as liberal, liberty, libertarian, and libertine all trace their history to the Latin liber, which means "free".^[14] One of the first recorded instances of the word liberal occurs in 1375, when it was used to describe the liberal arts in the context of an education desirable for a free-born man.^[14] The word's early connection with the classical education of a medieval university soon gave way to a proliferation of different denotations and connotations. Liberal could refer to "free in bestowing" as early as 1387, "made without stint" in 1433, "freely permitted" in 1530, and "free from restraint"—often as a pejorative remark—in the 16th and the 17th centuries.^[14]

Once again a FOX watcher displays his intellect and education.

Words such as liberal, liberty, libertarian, and libertine all trace their history to the Latin liber...yada, yada, yada...

I see WilliamOfRites (pompous), doesn't understand 'tongue in cheek' humor.... offends his liberal sensibilities I guess!

Mark, here's a little trivia for you:

Not only did Al Gore invent the internet, he is also related to the Libbie of your story! Isn't he an amazing guy?

Of course the other settlers and the Indians all thought she was a fool and started calling little Libbie a Liberal. And that my folks, is how it all started!

Does anyone remember when Diane on Cheers was the laughing stock of the bar every episode? She is the quintessential liberal. Now the pretentious liberals that act just like her just dont seem to get that they ARE the joke. Its almost like they chose to emulate her instead of realizing what a tool she was.

takenaka

Climate change is real.

so is the easter bunny, santa, and takenada.....

You can say that all day takenaka, but the evidence is not there, especially the last several years. And so called global warming does not cause "extreme" weather events either. Just another theory proved wrong.

takenaka...

of course climate change is real. Geological studies support these changes. Out of curiosity, what man made events would you point to for the circa 18th century mini ice age? Not enough carbon and methane vehicle emissions? Not enough use of aerosols? What? Perhaps mother nature is just more adaptable to changes than man, and less forgiving...

Actually American, the mini ice age started in the 14th century and ended just prior to the civil war. Scientists claim that volcanic eruptions caused the ice age to start, although it's unclear as to what ended it. Some idiot DID claim it was Global warming caused by the Industrial Revolution (which was only in it's 50th year or so by then)

Climate change is Normal. Some years are cold, some years are warm.

Climate change is Normal. Some years are cold, some years are warm.

If that's you're understanding of "climate change" as it's presently being discussed, you should go do some more research.

Climate change is occurring, this is undeniable scientific fact. And the overwhelming majority of the men and women with PhD's who study this stuff for a living feel quite strongly that contributions from mankind contribute substantially and are accelerating this process.

Now, everyone can go back to sticking their heads in the sand once again...

Over the last 100 years, the average air temperature near the Earth’s surface has risen by a little less than 1 degree Celsius, or 1.3 degrees Fahrenheit. Doesn't seem that much, does it? Yet this warming is responsible for the conspicuous increase in storms, floods and raging forest fires we have seen in recent years, say scientists.

Their data show that an increase of one degree Celsius makes the Earth warmer now than it has been for at least a thousand years.The top 11 warmest years on record were all in the previous 13 years, said NASA in 2007, and the first half of 2010 has already gone down in history as the hottest ever recorded.

Projections from the UN climate change body the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) say that global surface temperature will probably rise a further 1.1 to 6.4 degrees Celsius (2.0 to 11.5 degrees Fahrenheit) during the 21st century.

so cold in SIBERIA railroad tracks crack...tires freeze to the ground...milk is sold in cibic meter blocks...walls that are 3 feet thick...now that's CCCCOOOOOLLLLLLDDDDDDDDD

Yet this warming is responsible for the conspicuous increase in storms, floods and raging forest fires we have seen in recent years, say scientists.

There hasn't been an increase in these things. None!

Projections from the UN climate change body the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) say that global surface temperature will probably rise a further 1.1 to 6.4 degrees Celsius (2.0 to 11.5 degrees Fahrenheit) during the 21st century.

Not one of the IPCC's predictions has come close to coming true! They have each failed. They have all overestimated temp increases. Check out the new AR5 IPCC release. It shows the results.

Their data show that an increase of one degree Celsius makes the Earth warmer now than it has been for at least a thousand years.The top 11 warmest years on record were all in the previous 13 years, said NASA in 2007, and the first half of 2010 has already gone down in history as the hottest ever recorded.

There has been NO warming for the past 16 years! 16! Not just a couple, but no warming for 16 years!

The temperatures were so low that New Hampshire's Wildcat Mountain ski resort was closed Wednesday and Thursday,

I've skied Wildcat, it's so windy and cold even if you get a storm of 2 powder feet in just hours it is been windblown into hard blue ice.

Sorry, see post reply.

i did and your right ..it is sorry

your right

It's "you're" Einstein.

Hey Einstein

"it is been..."?

Really. Why aren't they using fiberglass insulation? At least it won't burn.

Freshly cut hay is green. Give it a few weeks or a month uncovered in the sun and elements and it turns brown on the outside. If it's old hay it is that color. Straw usually has a yellowish color and looks a bit different. If it's old it turns browner but has a different texture and look. They should use baled if available, but the loose hay might help a little against the elements if packed densely enough. I have been thinking about the people affected by Sandy and hoping they are warm enough. Frozen pipes, staying in warming tents doing whatever they can to stay warm. A brutal, difficult at best way to try to keep warm and live. I think of them every day. Especially in this cold weather.

Heck, who needs pesky FACTS when you can have Faux News tell you how to think.

As to your facts, there has been NO warming for 16 years. Yet, during this time, CO2 concentrations have gone up by 10%. There is no way CO2 is a driver for temp change. 1/3 of all fossil fuel CO2 emmissions have occurred since 1995, and 2/3 since 1972, so with all those emmissions, the temp doesn't go up? But you still think the "facts" say CO2 is responsible? What a laugh.

It was warmer 1,000 years ago. It was warmer 2,000 years ago. Why did it cool down in between?

Steve,why did you sign off as MORON?

Ah yes...name calling ...always a factor in determining an intelligence post and poster thereof.

( Great job brainded ...you may have a cookie)

Insults and name calling is a sure sign that the person is uncertain about their case.

As to your facts, there has been NO warming for 16 years.

false. While there has not been a significant rise in average global air temperature over that time, ocean temp has steadily increased, and considering the ocean holds the vast majority of energy in the climate world, that's not good.

In addition, solar cycle 23 (the one covering the bulk of your "16 years) was pretty low in terms of total irradiance and peaked around 2000. Hence, most of your "16 year" period was taken with declining solar irradiance. If you consider that the air temp was moderately stable (and there was an increase, just not a "statistically significant" increase), ocean temps rose, and solar activity was at a minimum, the outlook is not so good. Cycle 24 started in December 2008 and is ramping up as we speak, I hope you're prepared.

You probably got this talking point from this article (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2217286/Global-warming-stopped-16-years-ago-reveals-Met-Office-report-quietly-released--chart-prove-it.html) which is so riddled with inaccuracies it's laughable.

There is no way CO2 is a driver for temp change

Are you arguing with the scientific validity of the "greenhouse effect"? Seriously?!?

It was warmer 1,000 years ago. It was warmer 2,000 years ago. Why did it cool down in between?

Yes, and when climates change over 1000's of years, we have plenty of time to adapt. When climates change over the course of a single generation or two, the proverbial @!$%# hits the proverbial fan.

As an addendum...

I don't agree with the name-calling by "Steve S" either. Pretty inappropriate, and it detracts from any point he was trying to make as well.

Since you brought up solar irradiance, how do you explain the terrific correlation between temp increases and irradiance fluctuations? It is a much better correlation than CO2?

Are you arguing with the scientific validity of the "greenhouse effect"? Seriously?!?

Wrong conclusion. Over 95% of the GHG effect is from water, not CO2 or any other GHG. What I object to, is the CAGW theory that states that there will be catostrophic global warming due to increasing CO2 concentrations. This is based on two parts;

1 - The actual increase in GHG effect due to CO2 - which is about 1 C

2- The catostrophic warming due to the positive feedback loop associated with water vapor which accounts for the rest of the "anticipated" warming - anywhere from 2 - 6 C additional. This loop is when the CO2 heats the air, so the air can hold more water, which since its a GHG, heats the air... hence the Pos feedback loop. Only, this part is a sham. There already exists orders of magnitude more water than CO2, and is in relative equilibrium. My statement earlier about it being warmer in the past applies here - if there was a feedback loop, we never would have cooled before. The loop would keep getting us higher temps. Think about it - there are NO positive feedback loops in nature. We have had too many varied and extreme conditions over the earth's history. If there were positive feedback loops, we would not exist! Think!

Since you brought up solar irradiance, how do you explain the terrific correlation between temp increases and irradiance fluctuations? It is a much better correlation than CO2?

While temperature is somewhat correlated with solar irradiance, temperature is also correlated with CO2 concentration. Solar irradiance goes in a cycle. Temperatures are trending upwards, just like CO2 concentration, but the rate of upward trend tends to vary with solar cycle.

1/3 of all fossil fuel emmissions have occurred since 1995, and 2/3 since 1972. There is no way CO2 can be the driver of temp change. AGW theory says CO2 emmissions are responsible for the temp increase in the first half of the 20th century. OK. If that is true, more than 75% of all fossil fuel emmissions CAME after that temp increase, yet we had only 1 comparable increase - from ~1970 - 2000 since. Wouldn't you expect that increase to be bigger? Continual? If CO2 is responsible, and you dump the bulk of CO2 that was ever dumped, in the last couple of decades, wouldn't you expect the resulting temp increases?

On a separate, but related topic, what do you think of Hansen alterring all the old records? And they just happen to be all in the direction of making recent warming appear larger! So when they say 2012 was the warmest in the continental US, are you aware that a few years ago, the temp record would not have supported that claim? 1934 was actually warmer. It is now listed as slightly cooler.

LOL genuinely laughing

but who was handing out the tax dollars for votes?

Parker D.... hillarious! But not so funny when you read this (copied from The Daily):

Pretty Sweet Deal! Last month, the Senate Budget Committee reported that in fiscal year 2011, between food stamps, housing support, child care,Medicaid and other benefits, the average US household below the poverty line received $168 a day in government support.
Meanwhile, the median household income in America is just over $50,000, which averages out to $137.13 a day. To put it another way, being on welfare now pays the equivalent of $30 an hour for a 40-hour week, while the average job pays $25 an hour. And the person who works also has to pay taxes, which drops his pay to $21 an hour. It is no wonder that welfare is now the biggest part of the budget, more than Social Security or defense. Why would anyone want to get off welfare when working pays $9 an hour less? The problems we face today are there because the people who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.

I agree, it's incredible. My brother in law has been on unemployment for the better part of 2 years and has absolutely no intention of going back to work until the food stamp ruler makes him. He would take a pay cut.

Look up Ineptocracy, it's what this country has become. All the fools think they won (lookup dilusional or cognitive dissonance), but all they have done is help enable the washington fools into a majority of lazy, non-producers that want to live off of producers.

Congratulations dems on your *victory*.

I'll admit Parker, that was funny.

And Congrats on your loss?

victory? loss? before this spins out of control.. ....im guessing on THIS atricle the weather was the victor.

kudos parker......you may have a cookie.

That's the best one I've heard all day Parker.

Poor Parker D still can't get over losing

A lot of us can't. Like the FREE THINKING half of the country...

I'm surprised Davey a whole sentence without the word NO

Party of "NO" ? I LOVE that liberal propaganda trope. How 'bout the party of "Destroy our country? OH HHAAAIIEEELLL NO!!" (Apologies to Gabriel "Fluffy" Iglesias...)

Some of we sub-human conservatives can read, write, and even think on occasion. Really wish you could to...

(Snicker)... good to see you Pride and Joy... (that was funny Parker and I will repeat it)

TOO... [plz frgv the late nit typo...]

got all the way up to 6 here so far, but at least it wasn't -6. BTW according to the satellite you keep shoving it down this way. since ya like it, you may keep it ya know, honest we wont complain.

Yours comes from south of the boarder, ours comes from north of the boarder. But given a choice ......well lets just say the north tends to blow through while the south tends to hang around.

A "boarder" is someone who pays you rent for a room. How does that apply to this?

ha ha...good eye. The most worthy comment posted.

Now that's a real photobomb!

He made a poop-sicle!

I agree with his opinion.

Nah his nuts just froze off

Interesting. I suppose it's like building homes out of sod like the pioneers did - supposed to be warm inside.

Get large fire insurance policy.

I wonder if mice would make nests in the walls

Actually since the CO2 is disappating the cloud cover,

What the h**l are you blabbing about?

You would also see an increase in the number and strength of hurricanes during the hurricane season which has been documented.

Actually, this has NOT been documented. It is a lie. They have not gotten stronger, nor more frequent! Look up the facts before you speak!

skeptical.....sssshhhh...you may wake him up.....

Um, yep. We have documented an increase in hurricanes in the latter half of the 20th Century, and this is DEFINITELY due to climate change.

OR, maybe it's because we have WEATHER SATELLITES since the 1960s and can SEE more of the hurricanes that happen each year...

Nope, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, more evidence of climate change. Gotta have more government to control it (and us)...

Let's do a little math. We have been tracking the weather for say 200 years with some accuracy. Prior to that the instruments were pretty crude. The scientists tell us the earth is something over 4 billion years old. That is a very small percentage (.000000005%) of documentation in the overall trend. We can accurately say the past 50 years have indicated the earth is warming but we cannot say the exact cause. It is a guess with minimal documentation to prove it. It may be a coincidence or it may not. It may be because I am getting older. That has happened in the last 50 years as well, just like the CO2 has increased. We just haven't studied my age as cause. Come on back and talk facts when you have enough data to track the world weather for at least 1% of its existence.

So, no, it hasn't gotten worse.

The weather satelite was launched in 1979, with data collected in 1980. This record, untouched/alterred by Hansen, shows much less warming from 1980 on, and NONE in last 16 years.

climatechangedispatch. com/home/10799 -saving -the-planet --or-protecting-power-grabs-and-cash-cows

That should have been copied into the above post

mitch-1134915 What the hell are you doing telling a Republican that the earth is 4 billion years old. All his religious crap would have to be thrown out the window. Ask him it's only thousands of years old

Fast-man, ever heard of Theistic Evolution? Scientists used to think that 4 B years was not enough for the first amino acid to form, much less DNA. Now, I guess, we've added a few ingredients and determined that Michael Moore could have evolved in that time. Lord, PLEASE STOP THE EXPERIMENT!!

Yes, Republicans are capable of reading, learning, and even getting PhDs in nuclear physics or evolutionary biology. I have two graduate degrees in the sciences. What are your degrees in?

I just LOVE that propaganda trope that only Democrats are enlightened. I suppose that's why all those Hollywood starlet wannabes are Democrats...

But Republicans can't even run a country with all those degrees without putting us in a recession. Thank you Mr Bush

3000 years from now Dems (2 or 3 out of 3 branches of government control), having destroyed the greatest nation in earth's history from within, will still be saying, "But it's still BUSH's fault..."

And the Chinese Communist Government will be laughing all the way to the bank...

um........ there IS a sandy article on here this morning....

GW = Katrina

Obama = Sandy

Obama = GW

Simple math

IA.ScooterTramp, there WAS an article on Sandy this morning.

Curious how this Sandy FEMA article got DROPPED from the MSNBC nbcnews_com website after less than three hours on the homepage.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/24/16644140-fema-leaves-many-sandy-victims-languishing?threadId=3652625&commentId=73659776#c73659776

Call from Jay Carney/White House Chief of Staff?? Too truthful? Obliterates the Marxist narrative that the President cares about white people, at least before the election? How much did those multiple Hawaii vacations for the President, his family, entourage and security detail cost taxpayers while Sandy Victims are left out in the cold? <***ZAPP***>

What FEMA article? Who is Sandy? I really DO love Big Brother...

Um, its not a scam buffoon. Most homeowners are too cheap to purchase flood insurance and basic policies don't cover it. Its called gambling and people lose gambles every day.

Yep, Steven Hawking is jealous...

Solar,you are correct! Dino,Pebbles & Bam Bam were only ever passengers.

You got it right there George. Obozo promised to take care of the victims of Sandy. And he DID. Till the election was over. Now he will spend the next 4years blaming the Republican congress that they are still living in tents when he leaves office.

You're BOTH right--IT'S STILL BUSH'S FAULT!!!! (Someone else said it first, but obviously everyone is still thinking it.)

If this happened while GWB was president, the NYT would be HOWLING for his head, and we would be well into IMPEACHMENT HEARINGS by now, not to mention making his re-election impossible.

Bernard Goldberg, in his 2008 book "A Slobbering Love Affair: The True (and Pathetic) Story of
the Torrid Romance Between Barack Obama and the Mainstream Media [Audiobook, MP3 Audio,
Unabridged] [MP3 CD]" [Hardcover, Washington, DC: Regnery Publishing] was right. The Leftist/Marxist NYC based news media is the propaganda ministry for this Liberal Wet Dream president. The economy could crash, the President unilaterally surrender our country to the U.N., Russia and China, give away ALL our military technology including all our nuclear weapons, and Itar/Tass/Pravda (oops, I mean the New York Times, Washington Post and MSNBC) would still call it good. Yep, he's a genius, the smartest president ever. (Smarter than, say, Thomas Jefferson? James Madison? John Adams? Woodrow Wilson?). I'm sure that's why his college and law school transcripts (and scholarship applications) remain under lock and key.

I’m wondering if anyone has heard of a book by an ex-CIA counter-intel and counter-terrorism expert on the origins of Political Correctness, a form of censorship and propaganda with a specific Marxist origin. Kent Clizbe, in his book "Willing Accomplices" [Ashburn, VA: ANDEMCA Press, 2011--Available on Kindle from Amazon_com and from KentClizbe_com in paperback] supports his assertion that PC was a ready-made "payload" of ideology to demoralize and divide America. This was infused into Academia, Hollywood and the press since the 1920s by influence agents under the direct control of Lenin's KGB. Hollywood's Otto Katz, George S. Counts of Columbia University Teacher's College and the New York Times were
specific vehicles (either "dupes" or "willing accomplices") for Willi Muenzenberg's creed (as recounted by his wife Babbette Gross--any relation to Teri Gross of NPR?) which advanced the main goals of COMINTERN, Communism International, while specifically avoiding self-identification with Stalin or the USSR. Clizbe's book makes for some interesting reading, if you're curious about where PC came from--highly referenced and persuasive, if you dare.

Nope, no possibility of a Marxist coup here. It has already happened, with NYT, WAPO and MSNBC leading the charge--Elite Vanguard indeed.

FEMA not responding, the Press still BURYING the suffering of Sandy victims well after the election, and the President vacationing in Hawaii? It's STILL Bush's fault (and will be for the next 4 billion years...)!!!