The difference is (and you really know the difference, don't you Ralph) is that the President's children are protected because they are the children of the President. It has nothing to do with the President's personal feelings. The NRA would not have been more lame if it suggested that the President has Secret Service protection because he decided that he is superior to all other people. The President does not have any choice in the matter and you know it.

Was it worse than when BUSH had children around him to support his anti stem cell research? Or how about when he was reading to school children on 9/11.

Hmmmm.. Pot or Kettle Ralph? Or does Obama still have 'higher standards' because of who he is.

@ itsabout

Um your comment about Pres Bush reading to school children on 9/11 is factually wrong and a sever attempt to rewrite history. Firstly Mr. Bush was visiting a school and the children were reading to him. Secondly your ignorant comment about him doing it on 9/11 is just flat stupid. The attacks happened WHILE HE WAS IN THE CLASSROOM!

The first plane had already hit the first tower before he went into the school. The timeline proves that.

Theo if i lay a loaded revolver on your kitchen table how long before it kills you by itself? Please enlighten me.

Theo-3270314......now sing "Follow the Yellow Brick Road."

don97524....work on your analogies to prove your point (s).

I believe some people make statements with obvious jabs just to gauge a reaction from those who feel inclined respond.

Make your arguments pithy, to the point and even with a little fun, and some, not all will have those synapsis fire in thoughtful consideration.

Good job Military Politzie. I see you've done your homework. More reasons for me to admire President Barack Obama. My agenda is obvious to the most casual observer. The NRA has run roughshod over US policy for the past several decades. I did not elect them. No one elected them! I do not support them. They say they have millions of members (of course the only ones who really matter are the gun manufacturers) but so do the Boy Scouts and the scouts don't try to run my country. I'm sick of being bullied. I'm tired of having the rights of those of us who don't feel any urgent need to shoot something being ignored by those who worship the second amendment. I have rights too. I have the right not to live next door to someone with an arsenal. I have a right to walk out and pick up my trash can without worrying about being mistaken for a burglar and being shot by a cowboy wannabe. That make my agenda clear to you? You can keep your handgun in your night table if it keeps you from being afraid and you can do all the hunting you want. But asking you to compromise with regard to guns that fire many bullets very fast and are designed only to kill people is NOT ASKING TOO MUCH! I have the right to feel safe from my own countrymen and I don't. The America I remember is not an armed camp. Compromise is not a four letter word.

NOBODY has complained about the President's family being protected, BY CONGRESS, since it was written into the law in 1901.

So why now? Why the complaints NOW? Nobody had anything to say about other Presidents' children and spouses being defended by armed guards.

Wake up, America. It's racism, pure and simple. Any excuse will do to attack the "black guy"!

Standup

That racism word lost its meaning over the last 4 years so you might want to find a new one. The racism is on the left pure and simple. Remember your whole party didn't want to vote for "the rich white guy".

First of all, it's not MY party; I didn't vote for Obama.

Second of all, thanks for making an erroneous statement on my behalf. Good to have people make incorrect assumptions.

Third, it IS racism. No other President has had their safety and the safety of their families questioned until now. Name ONE administration prior to this where people wanted to overturn that particular Congressional decision. Go ahead.

And if it's NOT racism, then what do you call it? Why would a policy, established by Congress, that has been in place for over 100 years to protect the leader of our so-called Great Nation, suddenly come under attack by its citizens? What, exactly, IS the motivation for our own people wanting to weaken the protection long offered to the President and his family?

The cries of "elitism" by the NRA are a double-standard. Now the elitism is on the side of the parents and school systems who can afford to pay armed guards and retired officers to provide armed protection at public schools... meanwhile, schools that can't afford it cannot get that luxury. In a nation where we can't even give every child a healthy lunch, we're showing our true elitism by letting Those With Money get the "ultimate" protection and Those Without Money are doing without. The NRA ad not only demonstrated incorrect information with the "President's children" but also exposed the real financial and racial snobbery going on. It's a callback to the days when poor, Southern black schools had so little and rich, Northern white schools had everything you could ask for.

I'am not against the NRA by any means. But I do think the comment was stupid. When I first heard it I was shocked. Do better on the next one NRA. Your all we have except ourselfs.

David-2319136

Umm Calyps, Bush was informed during the photo op, AND SAT THERE DUMBFOUNDED. Not that it has anything to do with anything now aside from showing right wing hypocrisy.

#1.8

And just exactly what would you have done, jump up and yell, "THE BUILDINGS ARE ON FIRE, THE BUILDING ARE ON FIRE."?

One thing most of the posters are missing is the fact that the school that Obama's children attend has always had ARMED GUARDS that are NOT part of the Secret Service presidential detail.

This is due to the fact that many "connected" parents in the DC metro area send their kids to that school.....

So, NOW explain why THEIR children should be better protected than YOURS.

Barry used OUR CHILDREN to promote his vision of gun control. Yet when the FACTS about his OWN children are made public, it's is somehow "off-limits" to the public.

Sara Palin's children were open to talk-show hosts, newspaper commentary, and the itnernet without ONE WORD spoken by the liberal left.

Guess "repugnant and cowardly" only goes one way?

America needs to invent The Phaser. That would fix all our problems.

Because Ed, those parents at the school PRESIDENT OBAMA chose to send his kids to also chose to pay extra money for any armed guards that are there. That is a private school, which means it is paid for with private money, and there's a lot of extra stuff those kids get that you won't find in public schools. Do you have some kind of problem with that? Don't a lot of right wingers advocate sending your kids to private schools? And haven't I heard them lobbying for vouchers to private schools, paid for out of tax money? What's your point?

"So now I have to ask you Mountainlady: Your agenda"

what part of during his campaign or while in office, as president, didn't you understand?

It is not an ill-advised ad. The NRA is correct. Obama's kids are not more than anybody's else's kids and if they can have that kind of protection, then we can protect our own children the same way. My kid is more important to me than Obama's kids are to me. I could care less about his kids or any politicians kids for that matter because they are not above anyone else.

don97524

The difference is (and you really know the difference, don't you Ralph) is that the President's children are protected because they are the children of the President. It has nothing to do with the President's personal feelings. The NRA would not have been more lame if it suggested that the President has Secret Service protection because he decided that he is superior to all other people. The President does not have any choice in the matter and you know it.

SO what !! The presidents kids are no more special than any other important person whos kids go to school. I value my kids as much as obama values his. IM sure there are a lot of celebrities who have kids going to school but they dont have armed guards following them around. Its a double standard , very typical of the liberals.

I see it as a good point. They say guns in the school will not make the kids safer then take the guns out of his kids schools...Lead by example. I would support any gun ban as long as the ban is also for all movies/tv shows and video games...take them from the people then remove them from entertainment as well. If the public can not buy military style weapons then don't allow them to be used in any form of entertainment as well.

@ Don

President's children are protected because they are the children of the President.

And yet all this gun control talk is because our kids were in more danger. That is the whole point of the commercial.

It has nothing to with affordability for armed guards. Restricting our right to bear arms is illegal. Period. Find another way!

I think the ad was ill advised, but it is correct. If you remove the Secret Service from the school, there are still 11 armed guards patrolling the school. They could have easily used David Gregory's or any other MSM anchor who has children at that very same school. Their kids deserve armed guards to protect them, but not the rest of the children.

I also believe that the President is being hypocritical. He flaunted his children every chance he got during both elections, then claimed they were off limits. He also stood on the bodies of 20 dead children to push his anti-gun agenda and whined when the NRA stood on his children in a factual ad.

If you believe the liberal hype that it is only the gun that kills and not the person pulling the trigger, then I claim it was the assault rifle that killed Bin Laden and not the Navy SEALS.

I have a simple question, if this shooting at Sandy Hook had happened on Bush's watch and he failed to do anything thus appearing to even approve of what happened I wonder how the NRA and the far right winger assault gun supporters would feel? Yes, I know it happened on Obama's watch and yes, his daughter's do have Secret Service protection; so did Pres. GW Bush's daughters while attending college. I think one of them even got caught drinking with one of her Secret Service agents. The NRA ad was totally wrong as the one man from NRA said. Apparently his objections were over-ridden by higher ups in the right wing gang.

Some of you people are retarded. Hate to break it to you, but the President's kids (any President's), ARE more important. I'm not hating, just stating a fact. If someone comes along and kidnaps them for god knows what, what would the president be prepared to do to get his kids back? What would any of you guys do to get YOUR kids back? Unfortunately, it comes down to just more than money for ransom. What if it were some terrorist demanding release for some high ranking person we have locked up? You guys need to look at the big picture here. The President has a lot of power, and has influence over a lot of countries. Keeping his family safe is not only good for him, but good for this country as a whole too. Anyone seen Air Force One? Good movie, and while it's all fake and Hollywoody, there's an element of truth to it. Also, regarding Palin's kids being thrown on tv vs Obama's. Sorry, Palin's kids are adults (at least Bristol was), and responsible for their own actions (Bristol having premarital sex and popping out babies, then pimping said baby on her stupid tv show, etc, etc) whereas Obama's kids are still minors, and I don't believe those kids have done anything to shame their parents or themselves. I can't believe people are even trying to compare them to each other.

I'd say it's time for the members of the NRA to form a new, saner association. Just like congress, the NRA has been taken over by a very dangerous right wing ideology of might makes right. Keeping you filled with Anger, Hate, Paranoia, baseless fears. Hinting, but never saying out right that all problems can be solved with overpowering violence. Shock and Awe, the American way of the Right.

A lot here seem to dis like "liberals", though I'd venture to guess a few don't even know the meaning. You also seem to take great pleasure in throwing out names like: Tree Hugging Hippie, Libtards, brain dead stoners....even some more colorful ones...lol

Yup, those evil Hippies gathering in parks to play music, dance, smoke a joint, pass out flowers....looking at the world with wonder and love. How did the Right respond??? With Anger, Hate and Violence......and you wonder where your kids learned it from.

As idealistic as it is, I'd rather have a stoned generation of youth with Love and Peace as a mind set, then a gun generation of youth who only cares what gat goes best with their hat, with no regard for anyone but them selves.

I have no problem with gun ownership, but what is so wrong with registration? You have to register your birth, you have to register your death, and you have to register just about every thing in between. Guns in the wrong hands kill innocent people. Can't we at least TRY to limit the "Wrong" hands from having easy access to guns?

A change in collective mind set wouldn't hurt either.

Much Love n Peace For All,

Da Pup

>:o):

Kanic has it correct, when that ad plays on TV, Moms & Dads see it and see their own children in the room and will want their child safe and...

Oops, sorry I'm wrong, Parents don't value their own children at all, they only value politician's kids./s

The ad will play well to the intended audience, Middle Class American Parents who vote. That is why the BHO crowd is so upset.

Mindy..hope you dont have kids, from your statement i would bet you dont..obamas kids are just as important but not more so than anyone elses...Biden made a statement that they dont want to take guns out of law abiding citizens hands just the criminals..hmmm criminals usually dont use a gun registered in their names..You know one thats obtained legally...but i guess if you want to eat all the bull crap just because its served up on a nice table thats your choice..

I... hate to say it, but I stand by the NRA with this one. If you're forcing me to decide between Armed Guards and Disarming America, I choose the guards. Here's the fact of the matter: The NRA wants armed guards in schools, and maybe even to arm teachers. Here's what you want: Complete and utter disarming of the United States people, just so you can feel at peace. Well, the British did that after a school massacre. Do a search on CNN for "Dunblane Massacre". Just like here, a lot of kids died, just like here, everyone thinks the criminals will just hand their weapons over. Y'know, just like how making Pot illegal worked.

You're giving up your 2nd amendment rights just to feel safe, but you're not going to be safe. You need to be able to protect your family. You need to be able to protect YOURSELF. Heck, I have an elderly woman for a neighbor. We had a power outage for a few days, and by what she says someone tried to break into her house. When she cocked her gun, they ran off. You're taking THAT protection away from the millions of law abiding citizens over ONE STUPID PERSON.

26 people died. It's sad, it really is. But you don't punish a billion people for that few people, you just don't. I stand behind the NRA. Put armed guards in the school. Get them training, background checks, psychiatric tests. Or sit here and live with the fact BAD THINGS HAPPEN. You can't absolutely stop them from happening, and the sooner you stop acting like paranoid children, the better. As for Obama? He IS a hypocrite. His kids are constantly protected by gun wielding people, who, as you've seen, have questionable psyches and personalities anyway.

We stand neck deep in our unique american freedom. Everyone of us.

The NRA started with simple rightousness in its leadership. It obviously no longer posseses that. Corrupt to the bone.

Racism was introduced to the forefront of our politics when McConnell called for a one term president.

These simple common sense messages we send about gun legislation are rightous. Nothing will solve the problem, but rightous messageing none the less.

Tell you what Lunarpup - if you agree to voter registration and registration of illegals then I will go for registration of firearms...but you would balk at that idea I suppose? It is all well and good to want a perfect world but it is not the way it is...sadly the items you write about are not caused by guns but by society and the lack of parenting, attentive teachers, honest leaders and the lack of religious ideals...nothing that any weapon ban can solve.

You know who scares me by having a gun? Sen. Feinstein. There's a picture of her holding what could be an AK with a drum in it, possibly in a courtroom, hopefully not in the Senate, and you know what? She has her goddamn finger on the TRIGGER. The stupid bitch has her finger on the trigger while in a room with other people. FIRST RULE OF GUN SAFETY: Always treat a weapon as if it is LOADED! Thats the first rule. This is the woman that's trying to say I can't have a certain weapon because it could be dangerous, she's unbelievably stupid, and dangerous.

I see the ignorant morons are still pulling the race card LOL more blame game...typical

I think the point of the ad is lost on quite a few. As the children of the president their activities and movenments are strictly controlled and monitored by the Secret Service. This is understood, but the school itself has armed guards who guard ALL children that go there. So even without the SS they would be protected on school property by armed security. Which begs the question why is it that Obama would send his kids to a school with armed guards if he is against putting armed guards in public schools? That is what the ad is driving at.

Bdubs1975, I haven't looked it up, but somebody was talking about that school and they were saying there were no armed guards, I don't know I only believe about 5% of what people say and about 30% of what they show.

The Milwaukee County Sherriff tells the truth and Mayor Tom Barrett and the milwaukee county Executive lie to try to cover up the diversion of funds from 911 operators to a trolly in the city.

Sherriff tells citizens that 911 will be taking up to, or more than an hour to get a response, and that county resident citizens should arm themselves and learn how to defend themselves and their family.

Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett and Voces de la Frontera, which provided non-citizen workers with locations of companys where they can find work, tell the city residents that the sherriff is correct but there is nothing to worry about because the police are cracking down on the over 50 different Gangs in Milwaukee, which has become a Sanctuary city since Tom Barrett was elected to be the Mayor.

The Milwaukee Police Cheif has had his contract re-newed for 4 more years even though many of his officers are being prosecuted for Misconduct in Public Office, Unwarrented searches, and illegal Body Cavity Searches. And the police Cheif has been having an affair with a married woman who is the wife of the Waukesha County District Attorney, and may be facing a lawsuit, and charges for Misconduct in Public Office himself.

Lunarpup

I'd say it's time for the members of the NRA to form a new, saner association. Just like congress, the NRA has been taken over by a very dangerous right wing ideology of might makes right. Keeping you filled with Anger, Hate, Paranoia, baseless fears. Hinting, but never saying out right that all problems can be solved with overpowering violence. Shock and Awe, the American way of the Right.

A lot here seem to dis like "liberals", though I'd venture to guess a few don't even know the meaning. You also seem to take great pleasure in throwing out names like: Tree Hugging Hippie, Libtards, brain dead stoners....even some more colorful ones...lol

Yup, those evil Hippies gathering in parks to play music, dance, smoke a joint, pass out flowers....looking at the world with wonder and love. How did the Right respond??? With Anger, Hate and Violence......and you wonder where your kids learned it from.

As idealistic as it is, I'd rather have a stoned generation of youth with Love and Peace as a mind set, then a gun generation of youth who only cares what gat goes best with their hat, with no regard for anyone but them selves.

I have no problem with gun ownership, but what is so wrong with registration? You have to register your birth, you have to register your death, and you have to register just about every thing in between. Guns in the wrong hands kill innocent people. Can't we at least TRY to limit the "Wrong" hands from having easy access to guns?

A change in collective mind set wouldn't hurt either.

Much Love n Peace For All,

Da Pup

>:o):

#1.39

And one could easily say the same about the Democratic Party. It has been taken over by the ultra left wing fringe. Everyone thinks the right wing has moved further right, maybe it has(but I doubt by much). I could easily argue, it is the left wing who has moved further left. The MSM media is even blatantly broadcasting left leaning news, (NBC, MSNBC, and to some extent CBS were liberal biased for a long time, but now it is all of them) And from your perspective it looks like the Conservatives are "Crazy Right Wing Nuts".

And yes, we all know the Definition of a 'Liberal', however I typically find it is the "liberals" who do not understand the definition of a 'Liberal'. A true 'Liberal', like those that included our Founding Fathers, does not rely on the Government to Solve Problems. True 'Liberals' are all for personal Freedom and Responsibility, (these things do not include abortion, not fault divorce, welfare, (or other Government Support).

Just like the Democratic Party, "Liberal" has been hi-jacked by the Socialist/Communist Agenda. They call themselves everything but what they are, Liberal, Progressive, etc, but at its core, the main goal is to create a state run society. And to those of us who are true Americans, who still believe in the core value of America, this is an anathema. And be glad you are only being met with harsh words, for if it were up to me, treason and charges of sedition would filed and executed upon those in this country who would, "Ask What their Country can do for Them".

To those of you "who'd rather have a stoned generation of youth with Love and Peace as a mind set," can not begin to understand the damage done by that mind set.

Up until 1934, any one in the US could order and have shipped through the USPS, a fully automatic sub-machine(Tommy Gun) or even a BAR. Where were all the spree shootings then(other than criminal gangland)? It was not uncommon to walk into a local hardware store and buy a case of Dynamite to remove tree stumps. If easy access to deadly weapons is the measure of a deadly society, why were things like the "Bath School Disaster" not regular occurrences?

NO, the only thing that has changed in the last 50 or so years is the Secular Progressive agenda has wove its tentacles into society. Family is irrelevant. Dads are irrelevant. Males, especially white males, are irrelevant or even 'need' to be marginalized. Morals and Personal Responsibility are irrelevant.

My point is, since the 60's and the Progressive march toward hedonism in this country, with the rise of the welfare state, abortion and easy divorce, discipline in this country is gone. There are no consequences. No longer are men being raised by fathers. And how do you become a real man, if you don't have one to show you the way? Granted it isn't always successful, but it is more successful than the alternative.

And you will say to yourself, "NO", and you will tell me "NO," the liberal, progressive, secular, socialist, mindset did not do this. Sorry, the evidence is on my side. People had easier access to more deadly stuff 90 years ago, and we had very few incidence of this nature.

You are correct about one thing though, "A change in collective mind set wouldn't hurt either." Since I am not a part of the Borg, as you seem to be, maybe it is time for you to change your mindset.

They call that "Cranial Rectalitis" or "Cranial Rectitis"

*Cranial Rectitis: 1. n. A condition noted by behaving in such a puerile, obnoxious, and moronic manner as to have one's head up his or her ass. Note that things are dark and smelly for someone with this condition.
2. When someone is severely afflicted to the point that his or her shoulders are two-blocked against the buttocks, this is known as "perpendicular cranial rectitis."

The sad thing is, it is contagious among liberals. When conservatives are exposed to it, it can cause "Optical Rectosis" or "Optical Rectalitis" which gives us a shi++y outlook. *The symptoms are everywhere - too much government, failed corporations, discredited government officials and executives, corporate bailouts, public dishonesty, abuse of power, superficial strategies, and failed initiatives.

*courtesy of the Urban Dictionary

"The intelligence of a people is inversely proportional to the size of city and the length of time spent there in". Robert Reedy 1980

“To paraphrase Chairman Mao: Freedom and Oppression are dispensed from the END of a gun. Which END are you on?” Robert Reedy 2008

mindy-889630

Some of you people are retarded. Hate to break it to you, but the President's kids (any President's), ARE more important. I'm not hating, just stating a fact. If someone comes along and kidnaps them for god knows what, what would the president be prepared to do to get his kids back? What would any of you guys do to get YOUR kids back? Unfortunately, it comes down to just more than money for ransom. What if it were some terrorist demanding release for some high ranking person we have locked up? You guys need to look at the big picture here. The President has a lot of power, and has influence over a lot of countries. Keeping his family safe is not only good for him, but good for this country as a whole too. Anyone seen Air Force One? Good movie, and while it's all fake and Hollywoody, there's an element of truth to it. Also, regarding Palin's kids being thrown on tv vs Obama's. Sorry, Palin's kids are adults (at least Bristol was), and responsible for their own actions (Bristol having premarital sex and popping out babies, then pimping said baby on her stupid tv show, etc, etc) whereas Obama's kids are still minors, and I don't believe those kids have done anything to shame their parents or themselves. I can't believe people are even trying to compare them to each other.

#1.37

Well, not so much, actually. (And it is best to remain silent, than to open you mouth and insert your foot)

The President's kids are no more important than are anyone else', whether they are dirt poor or filthy rich. The difference comes in the nature of increased risk of harm, i.e. the wealthier, more influential the parents, the higher the risk to the kids as they are vulnerable. The point of the add is, the danger is now present to all kids, even if it be in a random fashion, as seen in the Newtown, Columbine or other school shooting. And if the President's kid's (Bush's, Clinton's, Obama's) get armed security, why not my kids, if the risks and dangers are comparable?

As far as Palin's kid's, I saw some pretty nasty stuff done and said about Trig;

w.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/20/wayne-brady-apologizes-trig-palin-joke_n_1811284.html

And it isn't hard to find more. Yeah, the left is just a paradigm of virtue.

*gasp* What a complete shocker!! Hate speech directed at Our President?! Wow..never heard that before...

Three words for you sore loser gun lovin' hillybillies. Get.Over.It!

President Obama mentioned he would like to see the assault weapons ban reinstated during his town hall debate with Romney way before the Newtown tragedy. The President is using the deaths' of 20 children to push his agenda. This is a sad but very true fact.

ItsAboutTime-3704531, are you kidding? Bush didn't stage a trip with school chldren on 9/11. He was there reading to them and when he was notified of what had happened. Your comment is ignorant and sorry, but Obama is a hypocrite. If he's going to bring other children into the argument, then why aren't his children fair game?

CAL USA...ya know there are many cash strapped districts in this country. There are many districts that made poor decisions on programs or charters or any number of cash draining programs in their districts. Perhaps, these districts should go back and look at what they have wasted funds on and reallocate to protect the children in their districts.

So here is a thought, instead of the President asking Congress for money why don't we task our State authorities, those with the primary burden of managing education funds, to review their own budgets and finding the funds to protect the children in their states. Perhaps they may have to cut some programs that are basically brother in law education schemes anyway and allocate those dollars to making sure that our children are protected. There are many ways education dollars can just get spent without accounting for results. I would say instead of buying a costly program to teach character traits to students our states and districts should resist the urge to pay some brother in law company $$$$ for amounts to be expensive generic program that anyone with a bit common sense will teach their children anyway. We need to stop throwing away money that could actually serve a purpose and very likely save lives.

The district I live in allocates a good part of their budget for security inside schools....your children deserve that too. But is is between your state and your district to make that happen.

The NRA has lost a lot of credibility since the Sandy Hook school massacre. First, they remained silent, then they blamed violent video games and movies for the violence, then they went public with their own shooting-gallery video game. They claim Obama wants to take away all the guns, yet still tax gun owners. And, of course, this ad attacking the Obama children.

Like the GOP, it seems the NRA is as desperate as rats on a sinking ship, and will say or do whatever it takes to keep afloat. At least rats can swim.

If the NRA lobbyist had a genuine conscience he would resign his position and publicly refute the NRA's insane policies as criminal and cowardly.

Gun control now. It's the right thing to do.

If Obama is doing what the NRA has said should be done, why is the left upset about the FACT schools around the country already have such protection? And the children of the ELITIST LEFT attend those schools?

The country indicated, in November, that it is sick of Right wing nuttiness....and the Progressive momentum is building.

The Party of No is quickly moving towards extinction (which is why they are moving to change the rules of the Electoral College rather than persuading people to join their anachronistic party).

Txmom:

If this becomes a mandate from the federal government to increase school security, then the federal government should fund it. Our local school districts get enough unfunded mandates from out state government, we don't need them from Washington, too.

An elitist knows better than you. What kind of toilet you must use, the auto you must drive to save the planet, and the minimum number of rounds a person who gets their gun legally can have when the rules of the last point do NOT apply to criminal who do not care about what laws you pass. Elite or not, Obama is a Marxist and his agenda has THAT written all over it. Even Pravda tells us not to give up our guns---hello? DUH!

The most interresting part is seeing how many of the Pro-Gun comments have been closed by the community. I guess it's not America anymore and if you don't agree with the liberals you can't speak. Well, here goes-as far as Obamas daughters being off limits-BULL@!$%#!!~ We sure didn't hear that when the liberals were going after Sarah Palins girls. The double standard in this country SUCKS!!~

Obviously HE thinks they are. After all, he just signed a bill giving himself (and by extension, them as long as they live with him) Secret Service protection for life. I'm just sick of liberals opposing armed protection for kids and supporting armed protection for him. Our kids MAY not be any more imprtant than his, but they sure as @!$%# are more important than ANY politician, up to and including ANY president, Republican OR Democrat.

And truthBe Told- you are violating the CoH. Reported as such.

Some of you folks don't pay much attention to news around the country do you? There are numerousschool districts that are opting for armed security guards, not rent-a-cops, but real honest to goodness COPS! Our school district has had armed police "liason" officers in the schools for years and a neighboring district just signed a contract with the county sheriff's office to put deputys in the schools NOW! They are not waiting for Obama et al to do something. They are taking action now. And the state is kicking around an idea to budget funds for more school districts to follow suit. But it is up to the school disctricts. Is this not what the NRA recommened? Word for word. And sorry for all you Obama lovers or haters, the State of Texas and numerous school districts are following the NRA's advice. Getting rid of guns WILL NOT solve the problem, it will only increase the problem. Guns don't kill, people kill people and those that want to have guns to commit crimes and kill people will get them, no matter what Washington does or says.

And someone disagrees and voices and opinion and ther

TRUE nature of a Socialist comes out. And what does"We voted Obama in 2 times" have

to do with the discussion? I will play your little game, why don't you STFU, and HTFU...

And when a President uses children to tug on the political strings of his agenda, then I believe

the NRA has a right to ask a simple question about the Presidential Children.

Touche.............

TruthBeScolded.......so brutaltruth exercises his 1st amendment rights about his 2nd amendment rights and you take offense and want to limit his first amendment rights simply because you happen to disagree with them...........how liberal of you.............. to allow him to live.

@ Charlie

I got news for you...President Obama is blaming video games too.

TV and Movies are next.

Better them than the Second Amendment. At least it shows that training, good or bad, will have an effect on the end user.

fuzzy urapab. Figure it out!

fuzzy44 You must be a bit fuzzy about the NRA.. Since they have almost 5 million citizen members now it would seem that it is far beyond a corporate tool.. It is a collection of like minded US citizens who are also voters making a statement.. Yes I am sure that some are more intense about the attack on the Second Amendment then others and some have been swayed by the Liberal propaganda machine.. But the fact that any limit is an infringement has not gone away..

It is called censoring and since they want to piss on the second amendment why not the first..

It is the freedom to choose and possess what you want under your Constitutional right.. Reading the words of the founding fathers they meant for the people to be armed.. Why has our government created a Constitutionally illegal private police force and armed them with machine guns called Homeland Security??

Could be the politicians and the liberals need a refresher course in in the Constitution and what the founding fathers had in mind when they wrote it.. Maybe Senator McCain should read it to them in a power point presentation and include the letters of the authors describing what they meant.. Unless you think they did not ?? This is not taught along with the pledge is no longer spoken in most schools, why is that?? Maybe it offended all the illegals.. But an OK to be gay class is fine??

Well made, Its one of the most truthful ones ever put out and if you liberals cant stand it and are basically wanting blood, think about this one, OBAMA CUT THE SCHOOL SECURITY FUNDING LAST YEAR. hahahahahahahahahaha. OUR KIDS DESERVE BETTER, when i went to school we didnt need this security, but hey Liberals dictated how to raise your kids and look what happened. THIS IS YOUR FAULT. You reap what you sow. he who voted for obama, well i hope karma bites you even harder

HA HA HA HA that's a good one Robert right up their liberal behinds.. Seems they can use all these tactics but no one else can..

Yep they lower moral standards, stop teaching facts about the Constitution and anything else that does not fit the Socialist agenda..

I am looking forward to marching in a pro Constitution rally soon.. This may all backfire on their plan and bring sleeping conservatives out of the woodwork..

No matter what any of our political views are, OUR children need to be protected. This like everything else is being politicized when it fits the needs of those who want to throw stones. I won't try and argue that NO-ONE has children more important than other's.

As far as money to put protection in place, there is money for everything else legal and illegal Washington wants to do, there are more hidden slush funds able to be utilized. The truth is Washington doen NOT give a darn about our children, it's their agenda they are promoting...

The children are their pawns... while we arm our enemies and take the weapons from law abiding citizen's... Whats wrong with this picture?

brutaltruth Hey wing nut....when did Obama say anything about you or anybody else having to "give up" your guns. Show us the proof! Be ready to back up what you spew. Man you repub/gun toter/ NRA backer/teabaggers will say anything to stir the *hit pot...

Cal and some of the rest of you could be no more Ignorant could you? Try getting your head out of Obama's ass for once, quit waiting for the Free Crap he promised you to buy your Vote and Realize you have been scammed! Lied too, and used as a Pawn In Obamas war on America. Once you figure all this out and see for real what this sham of a Man is doing, then you may have something positive to add , till then Shut the Phuck up and try reading into whats going on and quit listening to the Propaganda. Obama is as smooth a talker as another Scammer, his name was Hitler. Better start looking at your history, as your destroying the Future of this Nation. You anti Gunners are the Problem

The right of the people Shall NOT be Infringed seems like that might apply to banning certian types of weapons and components their of, like size of a magazine or type and amount of ammunition semi auto function.. Sure sounds like infringement to me.. But I am not the Constitutional scholar like Obama who has just been called on the carpet for a violation of it.. Oh yes the conservatives have awakened and we are the sleeping giant..

The left is the party of incrementalism! They will get laws passed which only "slightly" affects law-abiding gun owners, then they will add more laws until they get these "evil" guns out of the hands of everyone! Case in point, just look at Obama and his change towards gay marriage. First, Obama said that he would have the Justice Department defend the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Then he said that he had no real position when it came to gay marriage. Finally, he comes out in support of full gay marriage! This is a step-by-step plan that the Democrats and liberals constantly use to get to their final goals!

Liberals hate the fact that our citizens have a constitutionally guaranteed right to bear arms! They believe that if they take away the guns and outlaw them we will all live in a "Socialist Utopia" in which only the government has firearms. I really think that we should look back in history to see the countries which had extensive gun laws and a socialist government. The USSR (and 40+ million of their citizens murdered by the government), Nazi Germany (12 million Jews murdered and millions other killed), Communist China and Mao (maybe even more than the USSR and China combined) are just a few of the "enlightened" governments which had strict gun control laws! It seems that the more left a country's government goes, and has increased gun restriction, the higher the chance of its citizens being killed by this same government! Our founding fathers knew this so this is why they put it into the Constitution!

Starman-2398642 He never promised me anything. I work for all that I have...and I will continue. Anybody who makes comparisons of Obama...or anyone for that matter, to Hilter is as ignorant as they come. There is NO comparison...get a clue ...and while you're at it...pick up a book and read about Hitler...what a clueless *astard you are!

CalicoWhispers why is it wrong if Obama is against guns, & people point out his kids go to school where there are armed gaurds?

Yet its ok to bring up Palins family cause her daughter kept the baby an didn't see it as an punishment as our President calls it. Its about teaching your kids to do whats right an when they don't, don't punish someone innoncent! Like when a few mentally ill people are blamed for shooting innocent people, don't take guns away from millions who would never do such a thing! None of this probably makes sense.

Perhaps the Administration and the Congress would like to prevent the citizens from storming Washington D.C. with any type of arms to prevent their overthrow. Perhaps the fact we are over $16 trillion in debt is a moot point. Perhaps the Congress and Administration should concentrate on running the business of the country instead of taking every opportunity to divide the country on "Sideshow Bob" issues. Any issue that prevents the Administration or Congress from taking a hard look in the mirror seems to be grasped and stretched as far as possible to provide more excuses for not doing their job. Is it just me or the rest of you tired of being divided and conquered over the trivial ahead of absolutely necessary and immediate? Lets face it the conversation on gun ownership and rights is just beginning but the obscene overspending with no budgetary controls is now over 20 years to late. If we continue to argue about the ownership of guns while the economy tanks again just whose fault will it be? It is the responsibility of the people to keep the government honest...some of our founding fathers seemed to think that might require guns in the future. Just saying it is time to put the 500 plus legislators and the Administration's feet to the flame until they fix the budget and the economy...the rest is just wasted breath. If not soon the gun owners will be trading guns and ammo for food to those who recognize to late the important was lost to the trivial.

Roadrunnero

The United States entered 2012 with a population of roughly 312.8 million people (or exactly 312,780,968 people, if you want to be pedantic), according to the U.S. Census Bureau's end-of-2011 estimate. A few more by now..........

And the NRA has ALMOST 5 million members. They have halved their membership dues after the horrific shooting of those children. And you get a free ball cap. Stickers too.

Here's what 5,000,000 looks like.

Here's what 312,780,968 look's like.

Do you people actually think you represent the rest of the country?

I have never been good with numbers, but even I can see one number is way bigger than the other.

Since not only the NRA is complaining about the attack on the Constitution and all these people have family and relatives and friends that are not members but are citizens and voters your estimate is low.. If you also discount the 30 million or more Mexicans and the millions of other illegals your number is dropping fast.. Guess how many million vets are out there.. Do you think they take this lightly?? Even Democrat politicians are crying foul

The Constitution is the law of the land like someone before me stated.. So if Obama wants to call a quorum and appoint a panel to rewrite it be my guest.. But wait till the word gets out about that and you haven't seen anything yet.. It is almost like he wants a Constitutional civil war and he is baiting the people into it.. A number of states have voted to disobey unconstitutional edicts from the White House and states like New Socialist York insanely illegal lawmaking..

Time for bed, got to be awake for church.. The minister is teaching us how to strip and clean our AR15's and AK47's after services.. There is also a meeting on distributing ammo and camouflage so I am tossed between the 2..

Sign me up. I will take the training where they get drunk and have prostitutes in their hotel room on the taxpayers dime.

Personally I think this could lead to a TSA style environment at schools and I am not in favor of that. As you just heard in the video Harry wants to start with something everyone will get behind then look out it transforms into something no one ever thought it could. Just like the TSA has. First for our "protection" we just had TSA presence, then we needed to remove our shoes and now we are either in for a groping or porn x-rays.

KAT Guess that's why they have Homeland security and gave them machine guns.. It is one step at a time till we are a police state.. Our Socialist in Chief is finding that he woke up a sleeping giant that is getting real pissed off at the attacks on the Constitution.. Many of these flaming liberals will be unemployed next election unless they start back peddling like sleepy Joe Biden..

Roadrunner, I believe they know the sleeping giant is awakening. I just watched a video where Robert Mueller was asked if targeted killing of US citizens on US soil was permitted. His answer was "I'll have to check with the Justice Department." Not a flat out NO. I've also read where the military is relieving those from duty that have a problem with killing American citizens. Sounds to me like they are planning to implement martial law.

In regard to the repost of the collapsed comment. I'm not aware of what Obama has said about taking away guns, frankly I cannot stomach the sound of his voice anymore and turn off the tv or radio when he's on; but all anyone has to do is google Katrina gun confiscation and numerous you tube videos will disclose what "i'm with the government and here to help" really means. The videos show that it is not beyond rational thought to conclude guns could be rounded up. Katrina was just a dress rehearsal on a small scale.

I believe the administration should be careful about what their gun control measures are. I have a VERY LIBERAL neighbor sporting a yard sign that states, "Defend your right to bear arms". I spent many hours trying to reform my neighbor about national healthcare and obama in general but his mind was made up. But now it looks as though Obama and company may have done the reforming for me.

@Kat58531

You have that in schools now anyway. Metal dectectors, wands, and pat downs. A school I was involved with also had students outer garments and bags inspected as well. And there is every right to do so, there public schools run with tax dollars. Same as if you go into state and federal buildings. This imo is a great opertunity to give vets a job oppertunity after the leave the military, especially MP's.

Face it, this is the world we live in and it's not going to get better. These are our children and if armed guards help prevent things like we have seen, I am all for it.

and im sure your going to want to pay for it too huh?? but you are right the Teapublicans will be gone next election

Whether the ad the used politically correct wording or not is beside the point. I think all the grown ups in the room are smart enought to get the sentiment behind it. What's good for the goose is good for the gander so to speak. Whether we like it or not we have come to the point in our screwed up society that our children especially, but not exclusively, need to be protected from all the nut jobs out there. Everyone, not just celebs or children of celebs deserve the same safety considerations. Every responsible person deserves the right to protect themselves and loved ones with deadly force if need be. It is our responsibility as a nation to figure out how to determine who is and is not responsible enough to be trusted with a firearm. I am pro gun, but I am also an extreme advocate of responsible firearm ownership. People should be deemed mentally capable as well as required to prove firearm proficiency before being allowed to carry. Anyone who is not in favor of trained armed personnel guarding our schools is living in a dream world.

time for the Left Middle & Right to smarten up! They (DC) all of them are playing all of us thats is the plan to bring us all down. History shows how it is done 4 times I know of and it is exactly the way it is today! Wake up all Americans. POOR WHITE BLACK RICH LIB TEA REPUB WAKE UP or we the poor basTERDS do the suffering!

Any traffic court you go to , has atleast 1 sherriff armed & guarding the court room entrance with a wand & thats mostly for the protection of 2 ppl really , the judge & prosecutor . But too much to ask for 1 to guard 100's of children . Guess those 2 men are worth more,,,, or mebbe its cause they make the rules. *shrugs* As for Jim Baker , what he meant to say was , darn , the truth hurts & your using this slaughter of lil children & hatred for obama to forward your agenda ,,,,, to which id reply , your the one lobbying & makin new laws because of this tragedy. I think the ad was a bullseye .

Politicians and many other government types do not get any form of screening.. Same goes for many police forces and gun carrying guards.. How many people that need help do you think will pass up help because they know the government shackles are waiting.. That's why many police and military vets don't seek help any little thing and your career is done.. The government does not trust us to blindly follow..

Mark Yes that's why our government has their Constitutionally illegal police force Homeland Security and armed them with machine guns.. We live in troubled times..

Otterman I'm a security officer. I carried a Browning HiPower for 5 years at my last job. I can't say whether I'm typical, but it sounds to me like you forgot to engage your brain before putting your mouth in gear.

I would be proud to patrol a school. That's a job worth having. I believe the choice should be left to the individual school districts. If asked, I would gladly serve. How about you?

There's the flip side of being compelled to send our children to armed facilities. If the fact is the institutions must be armed, then the principle of forced (compulsary) education is compromised. My point is that the childrens safety is compromised by forced community engagement before the issue of armed facilities even comes to play.

President Obama mentioned he would like to see the assault weapons ban reinstated during his town hall debate with Romney way before the Newtown tragedy. The President is using the deaths' of 20 children to push his agenda. This is a sad but very true fact.

Are the president's kids more important than yours? NO!!!

Can you recognize a backpedal when you see one? YEAH!!!!

But its ok for Biden to go from Gun Control to Gun Safety? Thats not backpedaling? DUH

guns don't kill people...bullets do! also McDonalds does'nt make people fat....your inability to not ration yourself make you fat! lol this country cracks me up....multimedia outlets the scurge of the United States, remember when everyone kept their political views in their inner circle of like minded people and didn't talk so freely and hatfully towards people that didn't believe the same things. sad sad times we live in.

President Obama's kids are no more important than any other child. Sure he is the President, but if his kids were in danger and your kids were in danger, I would highly doubt that any of you would give the Presidents children any preference over your own or are you really that stupid. The NRA has it right. Any parent would protect their child over any one else child. I'm sure most parents would try to protect other peoples children, but a parents first priority would be their own children first. This is logic, not some kind of trickery. So with this being said, rethink what was said by the NRA, if you feel the same way, you should give up your child, because you don't love your child enough to protect them over someone else child. Your probably more worried about getting fame from protecting a presidents child over your own. Your not a parent, your from Hollywood and should not have a child! I can't not believe this is even up for discussion, its a no brainer. Just bunch of paid trolls trying to push their "take your guns agenda!"

It is not that the presidents kids are more important. It is that they could be targeted. I would rather be a regular kid without the need for extra protection. These people are crazy and just because one school in 100,000 was targeted does not mean all schools need guards. What if nothing ever happens in your child’s school and these ‘guards’ start catching kids skipping school and smoking, etc… What will we do if or when these protective ‘guards’ become enforcers. It would be nice to be able to stop kids from misbehaving, but when does it start taking away from their freedom? What if people start getting use to being policed and we do turn into a police state? Only because of a few crazy people who should have gotten the help they needed. Or because it is sooo easy to get your hands on weapons. Why does a person have a gun, if they never plan to kill or hurt someone? Do you really think if someone was in your home that you would be able to pull that trigger? To take a life? I don’t think I would be able to. I would rather take my chances with dialing 911 and a bat. Unfortunately, it seems guns are a common thing to have. Why have a TV if you never turn it on? Why have a gun if you never plan to take a life? I’m sure in Canada you don’t see metal detectors and guards in schools. There has been almost as many school shootings in the US in the last three years than there has been in Canada and Europe for the last hundred years.

USMale....sooooo you're all for a socialist country with a dictator at the helm??? You sound very Un-American to me...maybe you should go live in Russia for a few years then let me know if you're still behind eliminating people (your friends, family & neighbors and just everyday Americans) just because their views differ from yours. This country was founded on FREEDOM of speech which includes speaking different ideas, but it appears you're uneducated as to WHY you have the right to speak as you do. And it also apprears you have no desire to learn about the very foundation of what has made this country great. You seem to what your right...so why shouldn't everyone else have theirs??? Just remember this, when you remove the freedom of others...so shall you reap the same fate.

I wish NBC would get tired of posting that sign that the NRA put out.Ash a ten year old to give you an idea of what that sign ment.It only means what it says. The Obama children are no better than you and i feel about our own. Thats all. If you have to keep printing the same news don't print nothing

It calls attention to the fact that the rich and powerful think theyre better than us. NO, i dont see any problem with pointing that out. If his kids have armed security then why cant ours? But im not a billion dollar media outlet so chances are you probably will never see this.

@ imagoodshot, In many aspects you're correct but I would offer another perspective to the government having the ability of determining who is and who isn't mentally competent enough to own a firearm. Do you seriously believe the government wouldn't make any such permitting process an unnavigable labyrinth of costly medical exams where they are able to manipulate the criterion and inevitably satisfy their anti-gun agenda. Use our illconceived war against the hemp plant as an example.

As far as I'm concerned the President's kids/family became fair game the second he announced his candidacy for office; seriously, when has it ever not been so? Carter had his brother, Clinton had his infidelity, Bush II had his party daughters, and now Obama has his securely protected daughters. Was it nice, probably not, but it was within the NRA's right to speak freely as it did not amount to yelling fire in a crowded theatre.

I for one am not an NRA member; but if I was, I'd want this rather outspoken lobbyist fired for verbally creating the appearance that he was trading horses midstream. This contraversial issue had been addressed and was pretty much water under the bridge until this opportunity was gift wrapped for our liberal media.

thank you! i'm what some might call a "left wing bleeding heart" and i appreciate your comments! i, too, am trying very hard to keep an open mind, to really listen when the "other side" is talking (talking sense, that is - i'm also trying very hard to tune out the unhelpful rhetoric and the hysteria from BOTH sides) and to educate myself on the subject. you are spot on when you say that everyone should be working together to solve this. instead, it seems as though we're all just yelling at each other.

MNJL & Vicki,

Your posts are more like it! The fact is, there is no ONE answer or solution to the level of killing in this country, whether it's a mass murder like Newtown, or a drunk spouse taking out his/her frustration. There's just too many contributing factors at play, so when someone says "we should do this or that", their credibility suffers if that's how they leave it. It's not just guns. it's not just mental illness, or psychiatric drugs, or video games, or tv, or movies or gangs. It's not just parents or teachers or ministers, or elected officials. It's all of the above and more. We all share in the blame, and we all need to step up and share in the solutions. I read too many posters on this and other blogs who do nothing except complain and point the blame at some segment of society, yet offer no ideas for solutions, and are willing to do even less if they're asked to do something that might mean they intrude on their blog time.

This is a huge problem that cuts across every segment and level of our society. We have created a culture that doesn't differ from too many that we would say are third world. It is going to take decades to change, and I don't know of anyone or any group that is studying it in a comprehensive way. There are probably organizations out there that could be big contributors, but too often, egos and turf protection trumps doing the right thing.

I certainly don't have a plan to address everything I just wrote. I have this feeling though, that the real solutions are going to come from the neighborhoods, from ad hoc civic groups, religious organizations who are willing and able to throw off their political shackles, academic institutions, and the like - and of course, passionate individuals who are willing to challenge the loudmouths who are always claiming to know all the answers. We need to tell them to get off their lazy a$$e$ and get back to work to rebuild our society and clean up our culture.

We need to look at the way we communicate and work with each other. We used to not start every conversation with one thought in mind; how am I going to frame my reply? Maybe we should consider what the other person just said before we come back with our clever rebuttal. Maybe we should try to understand and identify true root causes. For instance, is the issue gun control? Or is the issue providing a safe world for ourselves, and especially our children? Try starting from a point which we can all agree on, and then work on a plan to make it happen. Your posts demonstrate perfectly what I'm talking about. Two people from opposite ends of the political spectrum who agree we must address and solve the problem TOGETHER!

It would really be cool if the two of you figured out a way to actually meet and talk, wouldn't it? But in lieu of that, how about we all resolve to find a way for an MNJL to find a Vicki near him, and vice versa. Give it a shot. Can't hurt a thing.

I respect all three of your comments. Instead of being jerks. Thanks.

dksouthern, I would love to have a face to face conversation with someone from the "other side", problem is that were I live, rural mid west, I know of no one on the "other side" I read posts here and most are so "set in stone" I don't think they could communicate worth a hoot. There are so many facets to this problem it would take people with the ability to actually listen, use their brain and have a conversation that made sense.

I feel that Washington will not be able to do that either. I don't see either "side" willing to actually talk about it and that is a sad situation.

This comment was spot on.Instead of everyday law abiding citizens fighting amongst ourselves we shouuld be addressing the real people issues.Forget partyline agendas for a moment and talk some real common sense.This issue should be a common sense issue instead of a political issue.I will listen to viable options if people are willing to leave their politics at home.LOL Minnesota...i agree with you last comment too.I'm the state south of you.So no worries.

Yay!... I have found the "grown ups table"... I understand and empathise with both sides of the firearms debate. I am a liberal...and I support the Constitution. We have to figure out a way to keep weapons out of the hands of crazy people. Nothing will be a 100% sure fire win/win... We know and understand that if we are reasonable adults. I do not see where taking firearms away from law-abiding people will solve anything... and yes, criminals will always find a way to secure weapons... Truthfully, most gun crimes (aside from robberies) seem to be gang related and used against other gang members... It's the crazy spree killers who want their 15 minutes of fame before going out in a blaze of glory who are killing children and grabbing headlines. Cooler heads must prevail and we need to find a way to keep our kids safe...without scaring the bejesus out of them...

Ok, remember, I am a member of the NRA, 50 years worth, a gun owner who has a AR-15. (gun nut) The AR is a great gun to use on the terrible problem we have with coyotes. ( I live on a farm)

Having said that, I support better background checks, more info in the data base that is used for back ground checks. I support, somehow, to address the so called "gun show loop hole", like trunk sales, someone in the parking lot selling guns out of the trunk of the car. FFL holders, dealers, at gun shows must do checks anyway. I am not sure how to address the "trunk sales" but it should looked at. In my state you have to have guns secured if you have kids, good law, might need to be looked at as far a enforcing. I would love to talk about what is an "assault weapon" and what is an "assault rifle" they are two different things, that is the truth. We need to educate people, and help them understand before we can make any progress. Cannot make intelligent decisions without actual facts. Before you can solve a problem you must first identify the actual problem, then understand it and the work on it.

Thanks for responding with some adult comments. I am regaining some faith that not all are wackos from one side or the other.

@MNJ: At Last! A voice of reason on the Right! I hope you CC the NRA on this post.

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Thank you for this! A voice of reason in the madness, hate and misinformation.

Moron. The President's children wll always have better protection than you. I know your Republican ego can barely handle this next statement, but the President of the USA, whether he be a Donkey or an Elephant will always be more important than you. In the grans scheme of things, you're a nobody.

protection for children of ex presidents kids at 16 will not always have better protection unless biden gives them a shotgun! lol

By law, the Secret Service is authorized to protect:

• The president, the vice president, (or other individuals next in order of succession to the Office of the President), the president-elect and vice president-elect
• The immediate families of the above individuals
• Former presidents, their spouses, except when the spouse re-marries
• Children of former presidents until age 16
• Visiting heads of foreign states or governments and their spouses traveling with them, other distinguished foreign visitors to the United States, and official representatives of the United States performing special missions abroad
• Major presidential and vice presidential candidates, and their spouses within 120 days of a general presidential election
• Other individuals as designated per Executive Order of the President and
• National Special Security Events, when designated as such by the Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security

ahhhh I think he meant while in office and even some time after they leave. Either way ANY presidents kids will be protected and it doesn't have anything to do with feeling special. If you can't see the difference you're blind or stupid, possible both.

Seriously you gun nuts want to arm the schools? What you going to say when that armed guard or teacher snaps and shots up the place? Or more likely that guard will be the first shot or the first to run to a class room and then wait outside for help to arrive. (even cops don't want to die so they will wait until they feel its safe) The Sandy Hook shooter could have killed all those kids in the time it takes a armed police man to run across campus. Basically they aren't going to do S**T other than be a target or call 911.

We don't need more or any guns in schools. Its crazy!

Right. And as you will remember, Columbine had an armed guard and the two shooters were in there shooting for a long, long time. Armed guards in schools aren't an answer. And as far as a President (especially the black one) using children for political purposes....who do you think was reading about goats to childen when 911 was occuring (and continued to read "My pet Goat")?

I am impressed, jerry...How you simultaneously put your foot in your mouth while having your head up your a$$ is TRUE talent. Well done, Libtard POS...

What you all seem to refuse to accept is the rich can afford private schools and private guards. If you are not rich enough to send your kids to one of these schools, you haven't worked hard enough... see how stupid that sounds.... still think there is no class warfare??

BobJ. While we are going off topic....pretty interesting studies done recently regarding the lifting of the National Assault Rifle Ban in 2004. Not sure who defeated the ban but it would be safe to assume that it had something to do with the NRA and the gun lobby. The studies cited by Bloomberg Weekly estimate that over 60,000 assault style weapons made it over to Mexico in the 4 years following the ban which caused approximately 2600 deaths. Eighty-Nine percent of the trafficked weapons could be traced to Texas and Arizona. California who kept a state-wide ban on these weapons had approximately 3% of these weapons trafficked into Mexico.

I am sure many made it down there under straw purchases. FBI referred over 76k cases of straw purchases and only 44 were prosecuted by justice dept.(Washington Post) Seems like there are laws everywhere but very few enforced. Getting nasty, calling each other names, vilifying gun owners, vilifying non-gun owners isn't going to get us anywhere.

The ban was allowed to expire.

The Federal Assault Weapons Ban (AWB), or Public Safety and Recreational Firearms Use Protection Act, was a subtitle of the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act of 1994, a federal law in the United States that included a prohibition on the manufacture for civilian use of certain semi-automatic firearms, so called "assault weapons".^[1] The 10-year ban was passed by Congress on September 13, 1994, and was signed into law by President Bill Clinton the same day. The ban only applied to weapons manufactured after the date of the ban's enactment.

Thanks Bob!

RandonM. the ban wasn't "defeated", it merely expired in 2004. And the NRA had nothing to do with the expiration of the ban. If the problem with assault weapons was a "real" problem, congress would have renewed the ban by passing another bill to extend the ban. Apparently the Democratic controlled congress in 2004 didn't think the ban needed to be extended or they would have done it. Wasn't Fienstein (sp) still in the Senate in 2004?

bob johnson,

I would seriously doubt that Chicago teachers got a pay raise of that magnitude. It is possible that this is the total increase over a period of years, but even that sounds unlikely. There is not a school district in the country that is giving out those kinds of raises because there isn't a school district in the country that has that kind of money.

For another poster who wants to put the onus back on the states to pay for this kind of protection. "Cash strapped" doesn't even begin to describe the desperate financial condition of many school districts. There are schools that no longer have nurses, counselors, science teachers, music, art, or sports. There are school districts where the roofs leak, the plumbing backs up and the kids can't use the playgrounds because they are so neglected they are no longer safe. There are schools where one janitor/maintenance man is expected to clean, repair and supervise all buildings. There are schools that no longer offer foreign language or advanced math classes.

Most school districts are funded by local property taxes, which are prohibitively high in many states. Many of the people paying those property taxes are struggling to make ends meet because they are earning less money or have lost their jobs.

I served on my local school board for eight years. Our funding was extremely tight. We didn't have many administrators and those we did have were not overpaid. Many of them worked 12 to 16 hour days because their support staffs had been cut so severely. Contrary to popular opinion, most school districts are not wasting money. They are pinching pennies so hard that Lincoln is screaming.

It is the large city school districts that seem to have all the funding, and I would complain about that except for the fact that large city school districts have a student base that is extremely diverse. I read recently that one district counted 32 different languages being spoken in classrooms around the district, from Tagalog to Hindi to French and Japanese. There is a multitude of ethnicities, cultures, religions and languages, and the large city districts have them all. They also have kids from the lowest levels of poverty to incredible wealth. It isn't easy meeting the educational needs of such a diverse population. It also isn't cheap.

Now you want school districts to come up with the funds to provide armed police officers at every site. A typical high school would need about six officers to be really secure. That works out to about $600,000 per year. If there are two high schools, that's over a million dollars. If there are three or four middle schools we're talking about another million or two. Then you add in the elementary schools, as many as 12 or 14, each with an officer or two, and you have added costs to the districts of something in the neighborhood of four or five million dollars. Do you know how many teachers that would buy? Do you know how many roofs that would repair? Do you understand that the average suburban school district doesn't have anywhere near that amount of discretionary funding?

It just isn't practical.

Randog, I am sure I am real concerned with what Bloomberg has to say. You should understand he is roughly the lib equal to NRA.

I don't think that that number is realiable or accurate. I would like to know how that number was arrived at. No doubt guns are making their way across the border as the Mexican criminals cannot buy guns in their own country. That being said, RPG's, .50 cal. maching guns, hand grenades and other heavy ordinace in possesion of the drug cartels did not come from the US. This is not a firearms problem, it is an enforcement issue. What is the ATF, Customs and Border Patrol doing to deter this flow of guns? Why the lack of prosecution of those caught making straw purchses? Well we know the ATF has actually been encourgaging this migration until "Fast and Furious" was revealed publicly. Further, the Administration refuses to take any steps to interdict the border properly to stop the flow of drugs, guns and people moving across that border. A political agenda? I'll let you answer that one yourself.

Haha, I agree, we all need secret service protection as well. Every citizen with their own security detail. We've just got to get the funding and then we'll all be safe.

CHris Obama and his family needs protection from you for you are dangerous and he isn't dangerous to you. Bet you own a gun well the NRA says that Mental cases has no business owning a gun so go turn you gun in for you are an idiotic to think you need Secret Service protection

I never thought there was so many dangerous fools that was free to run around our great country..

Now isn't this just precious, The Obama sycophants are so twisted up that they don't even know that they are attacking each other! LOL OMG THIS IS TOO FUNNY! So Clayton who apparently has an English-speaking issue is calling out Chrism who himself worships his "dear leader Barry" most dutifully and reverently in all his comments while he is trying to be disrespectful and attack a gun owner and to "tell them what they can do with that gun you're in love with". HAHAHAHA You boobs are too easy to see for what you are. Just like Brenda and Fiery DeadHead you are paid MSNBC shills for this administration. This is too classic. Im taking a screen shot just so it wont get "removed for content". LOL

Calyps: apparently sarcasm (and the recognition of sarcasm) is not your long suit

jackie, it looks like if you and vicki and I could sit down and have a conversation we all might learn something or at least have some in site into what might be needed to be done to start working on this mess.

Oh, and by the way I know all about bump firing. I actually know quite a bit about firearms but can always learn more. To actually change a semi auto to a full auto you have to change it mechanically, that is both illegal and hard. Bump fire changes nothing but the stock and according to the ATF is legal.

you are missing the point the second amendment is not about hunting or even self def fence it is about owning weapons to keep our politicians in check and keep us free

The baggers won't be happy until the Obamas are living in a shed somewhere on the WH grounds, eating nothing but gruel and begging for seconds while they run the country.

But he's still be living on the WH grounds? I'm sure they wouldn't like that part? lol

I agree that the POTUS's kids get protection because IT'S THE LAW. But I think if an armed officer, not a rent-a-cop, had been in the school, he may not have taken the shooter out when in full body armor, but he definitely would have gotten his attention with a few rounds off his chest or back or legs or the head and that may have given the teachers time to secure their room. If the officer's office is anywhere near the front of the building, he/she would have been a first responder and with a weapon. Did not the Sandy Hook principal die when she actually attempted to stop the shooter by lunging at him? If that would have been an armed officer, the shooter may have gone down.

All these lunatics were bred by all those acid eating hippies . They are the side effects.

Again....there was an armed guard in the school house at Columbine.................'nuff said

Jerry the guard at Columbine was gone ,not at the school he was at lunch off campus and only came back when he heard the radio calls,this is there for you to know if you care too.He exchanged fire with one of the killers and drew fire that could have killed more.Something like 10 or 12 rounds.He was over 120 ft away in the parking lot when he exchanged fire with them.You seem so smug in your ignorance.

I hear Siberia is nice in the winter. Bring extra socks.

Just because a person is destructive to the Country doesnt mean you get to use the color of his skin as your only arguing point for why people are apposed to His agenda and Policies.

How about Herman Cain? The left didn't seam to care about the color of his skin when they started throwing all kinds of Baseless allegations about him commiting Sexual Harrasment etc.

Why is it as soon as he dropped out of the race of the allegatons just disappered?

Its was OK to attack Herman Cain that way because he is a Republican?

Herman Cain was a joke. His running made a mockery of American politics. Herman Cain?? Puhleeeze, you can do better than that Noah.

Leroy, President Bush was and still is being attacked much worse than your "dear leader" and he didn't have the entire media spoon-feeding him and defending him every step of the way. So please lay off the whining because Barry is getting his lumps. If he wanted to impress me and 50% of the US he would act like a man and take his own lumps instead of all you sycophants doing it for him. And HELL YES it is his policies! I could give a flying damn if he was green if he was a good president. In addition, no, his policies on gun control are absolutely not centrist.

Also fellow gun owners need to pay attention to the arms control in the UN.

I'm confused Leroy Brown.

You clam Obama is constantly being attacked because he is Black and have ruled out that we can't claim it is because of his policies, yet here you are attacking a black man claiming that its because of his polices.

I'm not sure if that's hypocrisy or racism on your part Leroy?

"Calyps

Leroy, President Bush was and still is being attacked much worse than your "dear leader" and he didn't have the entire media spoon-feeding him and defending him every step of the way."

And neither does Obabma. You're post is make believe. Please tell us all how the Media is spoon-feeding the "dear leader" (I take it thats a compliment?) and then tell us again that FOX News didn't defend GB or spoon feed that moron? Go ahead tell us all.

Crap as usual from the stereotypes...disagreement with O is not tolerated and automatically you are a racist if you do.....complete bull@!$%# people.

I remember well how many called Bush all kinds of names but that was just hunkie dorrie if you are the liberals...............

Double standards are fine if can't take the heat STFU.

Typical liberal you are. Always resorting to playing the race card when you're backed up against the wall.

L. Brown, thank you, thank you for stating an oh so true facts, our President deserves respect whether you agree with him or not. I NEVER agreed with Bush but I respected his position. Obama according to these idiots can't do anything right. He does fight for what the majority of the American people want. Unfortunatly the NRA would love to see this country become a armed state with their idea of a military state. The NRA doesn't give a rats-ass about you, me, our children or MY rights to live and raise children in a safe country. I, as a child, teenager, and young adult never had to worry about gun violence. And PLEASE don't tell me about how movies, tv, and video games being a major factor today, the major factor is the amazing array of guns and the ease of obtaining one thanks to the NRA. The second admendment was writtren in a TOTALLY different era, unfortunately the NRA wants us to return to that era of violence in the guise of losing our rights. The right to bear arms was written with a different perspective, I'm sure our fore fathers would be rolling in their graves if they could see what their well meaning intentions have wrought. Children accidently shoot themselves or others, want to solve a argument bring a gun, want revenge on your wife, girlfriend shoot her and maybe her kids to, need money, drugs put a gun in someones' face, get really pissed off just shoot the guy, road rage pop off a few shots at the other guy. I for one am sick and tired of the level of violence in my country, we have lost too many children, teenagers, young adults, mothers, fathers, sisters, brothers, grandparents to gun violence. And you people that support the NRA frighten the hell out of me because you are too blind and easily lead to see the forest for the trees. People that can't see but have eyes, can't hear but have ears, follow but can't lead and doesn't have the ability to view things openly have put my and your country in a state of violence on a daily basis. I wonder could the all powerful NRA have anything to do with this???????

Actually I think all the racist just don't want to be labelled racist so they claim he's a socialist that wasn't born here.

I have to agree that the race card is used too extensively,,I don't like Obeee because of his policies not because he is half white and half black. I, for one, do not trust this administration to stop at legal boundaries or to attempt to move the boundary to where he wants. Today they take my gun, tomorrow they take your freedom. Some one made a comment stating than no civilian would stand with a .223 against a well armed military,, to that person remember the revolution,, civilians with guns defeated the most powerful country on earth (at the time). All those references to Hitler, Mussolini, etc., do have substance,, disarm those you wish to control,,, No, I don't believe the 2d amendment needs to be modified, just as I believe the 13th should not be modified. Funny how the polls we read about indicate public support for the king's proposals,,when in truth the majority of Americans do not believe in most of what is being proposed or implemented by Executive whim. Seem that the number of demoncrats owning weapons exceeds the number of Republicans owning weapons,,,what's with tht?

I'm curious about something. Why is it that the so many on the right keep pointing out that Obama is half-white? What significance is that supposed to have? The reality is that anyone who looks black, whether he is half or a quarter or an eighth, is considered black. No one refers to him as anything other than black. Yet the President is always referred to as being half-white. Is that supposed to mean that it is okay to call him names or to hate the black half? Just what part of him is white? If he were just an ordinary guy that you saw walking down the street would you make a point of calling him half-white? Or would you just call him a black man? I really don't get it. I had a mixed race friend when I was growing up. Everyone called her black. No one ever referred to her as half-white. What's the deal with this?

Dave -

That's because they primarily poll liberals who agree with their views. Anything that shows an opposing viewpoint is purely accidental.

"There was no argument about who he is or what he is."

Try to tell that to the birthers and muslimers Bob.

Since most blacks in this contry have some white blood in them its kind of hard to argue that. Face it if you look black you're black to many people and you're black to racist no matter who you mama was.

Who is telling you you can carry a gun? Who is taking away your gun?

NO ONE!

"In an effort to touch on all four of those elements, the president recommended requiring criminal background checks for all gun sales; reinstating the assault weapons ban; restoring a 10-round limit on ammunition magazines; eliminating armor-piercing bullets; providing mental health services in schools; allocating funds to hire more police officers; and instituting a federal gun trafficking statute, among other policies. The cost of the package, senior officials estimated, would be roughly $500 million, some of which could come from already budgeted funds."

So where in there is he taking anything from you?

"Democrats and liberals are corrupt to their very core."

At least we aren't stupid and have to make up crap just for the sake of making up crap.

Well I don't feel safe unless I have an Uzi with a 32 rd mag filled with FMJ rounds. Now thats my right and as long as I keep myself within the standards or local, and state laws I don't give a damn what that moron in D.C. says. Im NOT giving up this right no matter what the feds say and if they come to take it with force then I shall return fire as needed. All you limp wristed, gun grabbing liberals can F#@K OFF !!. There are hundreds of thousands if not millions who feel like myself and there is no way your going to win. Im not scared, not worried and not running away.

Lauren...you sound as if you've watched "Rambo" once too often.... and, pehaps should be among the first to take a psych eval...

Lauren! DON'T look under the bed!! Really! They're THERE!

Say hi to Dorothy for me Bob.

Oh Bob, u really need to get off the Faux News diet.

Try using google image search for:

Bush with children,

Reagan with children... (i.e. Just say no)

get it?

PSYCHO-POLITICS is defined as; "The art and science of
asserting and maintaining dominion over the thoughts and loyalties of
individuals, officer's, bureau's and masses and the effecting of the conquest
[enemy] masses through the process of, Mental Healing!" These concepts
were first exposed to the Western World at the 1939 un-American Activities
Committee in Washington D.C. which was chair maned by Martin Dies and this
testimony can be found in volume 9 of that years Congressional Report as
written by Kenneth Goff. These techniques were first developed by Communist
Countries as a tool for, "Brain-Washing" which they used freely and
without impunity because sheeple didn't even recognize they were being
manipulated into conformity and uniformity! The true strength of our species
however is not conformity and uniformity but individuality and uniqueness which
is the manipulators greatest fear of being exposed such as Feinstein and all
other political lackeys who just want control over the helpless. Powerless
people such as politicians seek control over others in a false attempt to
pretend they are in control themselves. This obviously fails consistently so
politico's keep trying harder until they finally implode upon themselves.

You haven't look real hard have you? Bush did it.

Google, Pictures of presidents with children and you'll see plenty.

Or type this into your browser

mentalfloss dot com/article/31996/24-adorable-photos-presidents-little-kids dot com

Mental floss? I think you could use some

@dragonmaster6

LOL How do you know you aren't being brain washed to believe you're not a "sheeple" and don't know it?

I just love how some people think they aren't sheeple just because they follow a different Shepard.

You may not realize it, but many of the gun owners out there come from families with a strong military background. Too, many of us who took the pledge remember speaking of upholding the Constitution before the orders of a POTUS, especially when that order is unlawful.

You would be hard-pressed to see the military eagerly launching airstrikes into the suburbs of Cincinnati, or Abrams tanks mowing down subdivisions near a middle school in Alabama because some homeowners aren't willing to surrender their Second Amendment Rights.

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Correct yet you hear this as an excuse from the Gun lovers. The Government is going to take our guns and then kill us!! Run ! Run get my gun!

The Military would have to back that and I'm sorry I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

Without the military backing it would be no problem fighting off the hordes of congressmen banging on your door. And if they did back it your little ar15 isn't going to do anything for you when that 500lb bomb lands in the home you barricaded yourself in.

Exactly,,,,then why all the hoopla over a AR-15 by the anti-gun nuts which is the minority in this country? If my little 1 AR is just nothing then why is someone wanting to tax the ammo for me to have a day of target practice into non-existence? I like to target practice, its relaxing and enjoyable to me. I guess everyone needs a hobby and a small group of people trying to make the majority conform to there way of life is yours.

SO the anti-gun folks want to ban all guns. Smart!!! So the law abiding gun owners are made to pay the price of criminals. Guess what,.the criminals are still going to commit crimes with guns. MURDER has always been illegal and that never stops murderers from committing crimes. You have banned the act of killing people ,....and yet people are still killed whether with a gun or not. Taking arms away is not going to stop murders from murdering.

We can't just turn our schools into free fire zones with shootouts. Once they (the armed psycho) have breached the perimeter, you failed to stop the attack. Then the only thing left is damage control. People say just hire armed guards. The problems with this are:

1. Having a shootout in a school building is not a good thing. Even if you stop the killer, people could get hurt in the process of the firefight. Especially if the hired guards aren't trained right. It's better to avoid it in the first place, if you can help it. Again, once the armed psycho breach the perimeter you have failed to stop the attack. The only thing you can do is try to control the damage.

2. You can't just hire any person, arm him/her to the teeth, and expect our kids to be safe. Not only would they probably have a hard time with # 1, but they wouldn't be trained to safely or competently nullify a threat without casualties. More guns will only add confusion and chaos to the already chaotic situation if they aren't in the right hands. And even if you have the competent and trustworthy guards, if they aren't where the attacker comes in or starts the attack, it may be too late by the time we get there. This has already happened in several cases where they indeed had security.

3. God forbid even one psycho made their way into the force of armed guards, or got in armed by impersonating them, you would have a tragedy on a huge scale caused by the very thing meant to protect us. Then what would we say? Still more guns as the answer? Nope. If we did this, we would need to make sure we did full background checks and screened out anyone even slightly suspicious. But even that isn't a sure or foolproof thing. And you would need security on them and their arsenal every time they showed up for work.

4. Who is going to pay for all these armed guards? Aren't we really short on money as it is? Sorry for the news that our kids protection cost money, but the service ain't free. So how do we pay for all these armed guards?

If we were to truly commit to this, the best move would be to station members of the police force specially trained for the job. They already require background checks and training, and we already have special police units for other things. They don't necessarily even always have to use guns because they have a number of things they can use. Of course, you wouldn't want too many per school. The number would vary depending on it's size and location. The police would be the only people I think you could use, as a private security force or regular security guards would be far too risky for public schools especially. The police are already trained to protect us on a civilian level, so either we look there or not at all. In schools in certain more dangerous urban areas, we already have police patrolled for protection so the model can work. We don't necessarily have to take it to that degree in every school, but I wouldn't trust the safety of my kids to anyone else with a gun.

But these spontaneous armed guards everyone is talking about, the idea is just silly. Talk about on over-reactive response. Either task it to the police or you're full of s**t.

Btw, no one is saying ban all guns. They just said some. Not all. Just some. You still get to bear arms. This notion that we are taking every gun off the market is just a silly overreaction. There are simply certain things, however, which we have shown as a collective society that we can't handle having in civilian hands.

The second amendment gives you the right to bear arms, but that doesn't mean civilians are automatically entitled to every gun or guns related thing ever invented by man kind. Nor does it mean that you don't have to qualify to own them. For instance, I would argue a convicted murderer doesn't qualify to own a gun. Is that against the second amendment, too? No. That's common sense. Some people wail and rail about their freedoms, but don't want to take responsibility for their actions.

When the second amendment was created, we only had muskets. That was pretty much our only gun. There were no assault weapons or shotguns or anything like that. Now I'm not saying we should take all of that stuff away. I would even argue a shotgun if the perfect home defense weapon, and maybe even the ideal hunting weapon. But if we had the second amendment before all these fancy newer guns existed, we can have it without them again. As long as we can bear arms, even if only one kind of gun, the second amendment still stands. Just know that the second amendment doesn't save you over-entitled people from losing the right to certain kinds of guns.

Imaginary tyrannical government? You really do live in your own little world don't you? 16 trillion dollars is missing! The I.R.S. has become the implementers of extortion. Our extortionist government is not accountable for one penny, cops are beating and killing hand cuffed people in the streets. But, to you, that is all imaginary. You, dear sir, only care about your own little imaginary world, where the government holds all your truths on a bright shinny platter. It would be an honor and privilege to shoot your A$$ dead in a revolutionary civil war. You are either completely clueless, work for the I.R.S./S.S. or are a tyrannical government supporter

Nope...not overdoing...just stating fact. In fact it amazes me that in 2010 there was an average of 23 (22.76 to be exact) deaths by firearms in the US and yet in 2011 there was 1 person every 53 minutes killed from alcholo related auto accidents. So what next? Is our illustrious leader going to shut down all bars, distilleries, breweries, etc? Thats been tried...and failed. So take our cars? The problem is it is not the everyday "normal" person who should be targeted. It is the criminal and if they want guns...they will get them. For heaven's sake you can find out how to build one on the internet from things around the average household. The ad in question pointed out something very real...the president's children go to school with armed guards...our children do not. Some schools have security, metal detectors and/or police in the schools...most do not. Our children should not have to feel like they are in prison when they are suppose to be focusing on their education. People need to stop all the bickering and pissing and moaning and come up with real solutions. More gun control is not going to do it. As it stands now we do go through background checks, most responsible gun owners keep their guns in a safe with ammo stored separately, it is the criminal element we must stop!

Gilbert: tell that to the parents of the Columbine victims (they had an armed guard in the school when the shooting took place).

Jealous that the president is responsible for the nuclear weapons of the United States and you aren't?

I certainly see nothing wrong with your not having the weapons, and is why I don't pay taxes to have the Secret Service protecting your kids.

No, Elk, just that he should be treated no better than anybody else. After all, just because our Constitution states that all men are created equal, does not mean that Obama is more 'equal' than anyone else.

Nor are his kids for that matter.

Tammy are you really that stupid??? My God where in the world did you get any education to write such a half-ass statement?? I guess you believe President Obama has been our ONLY President and the ONLY President to have children. How big a racist are you???

I will gladly pay those taxes as I reduce my employees to part time workers to avoid Obama care. Funny how @!$%# just comes back around isn't it? And all of you who voted for "dear leader" just remember that you voted to turn your kids opportunities for real careers into crap shoots with all part time work. Mhhmmm makes me laugh almost daily.

I enjoy reading businesses cry about O'bamacare, because it is so terrible to pay for half of an employee's health insurance. Seems time to just have free healthcare for all.

Calyps, u r a troll, probably collecting government assistance.

Free healthcare for all? So who pays for this free health care if it is for all? Nothing is free as someone, if not everyone, will pay. If anyone sounds like they are on government assistance it is you. What are you 12 years old?

We realize after reading many of these comments that immigrants were fed a lot of BS before they decide to come to America. They were told that money grows on trees and a pot of gold can be found at the end of every rainbow and everybody eventually has a job that pays a million dollars.. It's nice work if you can get it. And you can get it-if you try. Alright, Let's try David's idea and give free health care to all whether they work or not; whether they are billionaires or live under a bridge like David. It works in Cuba, right? Michael Moore wouldn't lie to us would he David? He's just a "poor devil" like you, right? We'll make the Doctors work for a bowl of rice like N. Korea. They can learn their trade on the internet to save money on education. We'll let them practice their first surgery on David. Who knows, there might be a troll embedded in David's torso longing to breathe free! It's a great life if you don't weaken David. Don't let a troll bite you in the butt.

doctors would not have to work for pennies but do they have to make 250,000 up to 600,000 a year these doctors are making in 5 years what i will make in my whole lifetime also when you go to the hospital why does everything have to cost so much for example aspirin $15 per pill when i could go to cvs and buy a whole bottle for $15.