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Subscribe to RSSA Cub Scout pack in Maryland has decided to jettison its gay-friendly membership guidelines under threat of losing its Boy Scouts of America charter, according to a statement on the pack’s website.
Pack 442 of Cloverly, Md., had adopted a non-discrimination policy that read: “Pack 442 WILL NOT discriminate against any individual or family based on race, religion, national origin, ability, or sexual orientation.”
But over the weekend, the pack posted a notice on its website reading: “Due to pressure from the National Capital Area Council of BSA, Pack 442 was forced to remove its Non-Discrimination statement in order to keep our Charter (set to expire Jan 31st). This Non-Discrimination statement, previously posted here, welcomed ALL families.”
The pack’s position ran counter to the Boy Scouts’ membership guidelines, which ban openly gay members or leaders.
Activist groups stepped up their campaign to end the longstanding ban last year after California teen Ryan Andresen was denied the Eagle rank because he is gay, and following the dismissal of Jennifer Tyrrell as den leader of her son’s Tiger Cub pack in Ohio because she is a lesbian.
Theresa Phillips, committee chair of Pack 442, said her group had the same motivations.
“I think we need to start at this level,” she told NBC News on Saturday. “We need to teach the boys … respect for other people and their lifestyles.”
A call placed to Phillips on Monday seeking comment on the removal of the policy was not immediately returned. It was not clear if the pack would continue to accept all families under a “don’t ask, don’t tell” approach similar to the one used by the military until it was rescinded last year.
Cub Scout pack may lose charter if it keeps gay-friendly policy
The pack’s member families approved the non-discrimination policy last August, and it was discussed in detail with district leaders and the regional council, to which the pack belongs, from August through October.
The issue appeared to be settled, but when the council “contacted us a few weeks ago pressuring us to remove our statement, we attempted to negotiate a rewording of the statement that would represent a compromise on the matter, but ultimately NCAC leadership felt only removal of the statement would be acceptable,” the pack said on its website.
“It's clear to us that they chose this time to bring that up because they knew that we needed to recharter at the end of January,” Phillips said.
Scout Executive Les Baron, a council leader, confirmed to NBC News on Friday that the pack could lose its charter if it maintained the policy: The “policy of the Boy Scouts are what they are and my job is to not bring into (it) my own personal feelings.”
The pack committee had been split on a way forward, which prompted a poll on whether they would keep the policy and possibly not be rechartered, or if they would remove it and return to a “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy welcoming all families.
The poll, which ended Friday night and was conducted on the pack website, came out 53 percent in favor of reverting to “don’t ask, don’t tell” and 47 percent backing the new policy, said Phillips, who voted in favor of explicitly including gays and lesbians. The poll had called for a two-thirds majority, she said.
The Boy Scouts reaffirmed its ban on gays and lesbians in 2012 following a two-year confidential review.
A national BSA spokesman, Deron Smith, said in an email on Friday that the private organization "has policies that all councils and local units agree to follow."
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Not that I really care but they're probably from the Webelo (pronounced "we-bellow") pack.
I wonder why they would use this name when others are called "Wolf Pack etc...?
Oh well. Bottom line who really cares?! Look at the military. Regardless of someones sexual orientation, if they are better at the skills expected than the next person, then they get the job.
Congrats on being part of the problem.
Herald9...what problem? Homophobic???
Some of the best people I know, including one of my brothers and a cousin, are the nicest and more humane people I know on this planet. I see them as human beings, not their sexuality. I suppose I should dislike Jews or anyone else whose religion goes against my beliefs? I supposed I should hate people that do not like the color yellow. Perhaps people will dislike me because I don't like the smell of roses? And I guess most people will not like me because I happen to like a piece of calf liver from time to time?
Sounds like YOU are the one who is part of the problem. See how stupid your comments are about homophobics and the teaching of judging people for all the wrong reasons? Perhaps you are someone who just cannot see passed the tip of his nose!!!
Whether you agree with it or not, the Boy Scouts are a private organization and as such have the right to determine their own membership guidelines. And contrary to what many have tried to say, the BSA does not take any taxpayer money and receives no government support, they are funded by private donations and dues. If people do not like it, let them form their own organization and then they can control the rules. There are many organizations in this country that restrict membership based on various religious and ethnic criteria, why should they be any different than the Boy Scouts. Should the Italian American Society be forced to take people who are not of Italian descent?!?! Should the NAACP be forced to give scholarships to whites, hispanics, etc. Why is it that so many people seem to feel that discrimination is OK when it is a minority group doing the discriminating but not the other way around. You do not need to agree with the BSAs rules to support the fact that they have every right to make those rules.
I believe he was saying by not allowing gays friendly status, they are part of the problem. The commentator was agreeing with you.
Later CD. its noon and enough is enough i have reached my level of tolerance for stupidity for one day. see ya all tomorrow.....And have a great day.
Yeah, they're a private club and can discriminate, but that doesn't mean they SHOULD. If this was any other minority they'd be raked across the coals.
Get over it, people. The Boy Scouts belong in the category of home schoolers.
The Boy Scouts have a big problem, and as usual it's all about money. They're in bed with both the Mormans and Catholics and any change in their homophobic policies will result in both organizations pulling out, taking a big chunk of their annual budget with them. The irony of the fact that both churches have actively hid pedophiles and child abuse within the church-chartered local scouting organizations shouldn't be lost on those who defend them.
They're just another group of bigots who have wrapped themselves in the flag and patriotism to try to disguise their intolerance. It's a shame that those who wish to truly celebrate American freedom are prevented from doing so by these power structures.
The BSA may be allowed to have a rule banning gays by being a private organization, but explain this twist of logic: The rationale behind those rules is that the organization feels that bring up topics of sexual orientation may be contrary to how the families of the boys in the organization would like to have it handled. Fine, so you are allowed to ban gays because the families are uncomfortable talking about it with their children. The families in this charter obviously did not have that problem, so the issue that the rule is designed to fix doesn't matter here. Why then is enforcement of the rule necessary? If the issue (familiies being uncomfortable talking about sexual orientation) is absent from this charter, there is no need to enforce the rule on this charter. This is very strong evidence that the BSA is not concerned about the sensibilities of the families (as they claimed), and instead this is actually just an anti-gay agenda to make homosexuals into second-class citizens.
For the record, I support the right of the BSA to make rules as it sees fit as a private organization. However, if you try to explain away your rule as solving a specific problem, and that problem doesn't exist in some part of your organization, they also have the right to not enforce that rule. What they prove here is that they don't care about the sensibilities of the families; they care about excluding gays at all costs.
They are being raked over the coals ..... theiy're just not caving to it.
Denver,
Do you really think the response to them banning black people would be the equivalent of this response?
At least down here, Scouting takes money from the United Way. Because of this policy by BSA, I stopped contributing to United Way, nor did I allow them to make fund draives in my business.
I do not support bigotry. Kill your giufts to united Way. That will get BSA's attention.
Of course not. It would be much worse. Just as it would be much less in response to my wanting to join the P.E.O. Sisterhood. So what?
That the response isn't as strong as it would be if they were discriminating against other minorities shows us that we still have a serious problem in regards to how we view gay people.
We should be as up in arms about this discrimination as we would be about racial discrimination.
Oh no we shouldn't missy!... Homosexuals are not a race! I will repeat again..not a race...just two people of the same gender wanting to make deviant sex normal... black people or other minorities never came out of any "closet". Gays always had all their rights and were never denied a thing. All they had to do was keep their SEX lives to themselves. SO stop whining like some broke Ellen Degenerate and get over it! You're wallowing in a cesspool of filth and sinful deviant behavior...God help you...oh..you don't believe in God....May satan or whatever demon you pray to, maybe the lord of lesbians, help you. Yeah that's it...TA TA
Yafools,
You just raised the bar for "crazy post". Good thing it's all irrelevant.
Ta ta.
If anybody thinks they can do better for boys, feel free to form a group that doesn't use the BSA trademark. Let parents & boys 'vote with their feet'.
Sarah, when you are wrong WOW. Most parents want what is best for their child and some are unwilling to wait for slow half measures as their child suffers or is at risk. Considering the state of some schools, smearing the parents that cares about their child's education & safety, is WRONG.
It would be like saying, all named Sarah spit green goo. lol
Except that those who are homeschooled are never thought to think critically, explore new ideas, question the status quo, and are subject to only their parents preconceived notions. You know, like creationism being science.
What? That's the truth.
Sarah, Once again, you ASSUME that ALL home schooled are fundamentalists of some sort. NOT true, and while my H/S yrs probably predate you. I have found that most home schooled kids were some of the best students in H/S.
Probably tough to tell teacher/parent you didn't have time to do your studies.
Your brush stroke was too wide, and smeared good parents. You were wrong.
My Cousin Sarah, strongly disagrees with last bit. Sorry but I 'punked out' your handle to her. Small & merciless, be afraid, we are. lol
Perhaps there was a BIT of a generalization there, but can you argue that the fundamentalism underlying a considerable portion of home schooled children is GOOD for them?
http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0053/twps0053.html#char
You just haven't pissed her off enough. Give it time.
IF one pledges the following, how do you discriminate against the gay population?
Before you pledge yourself to any oath or promise, you must know what it means. The paragraphs that follow will help you understand the meaning of the Scout Oath.
On my honor . . .
By giving your word, you are promising to be guided by the ideals of the Scout Oath.
. . . I will do my best . . .
Try hard to live up to the points of the Scout Oath. Measure your achievements against your own high standards and don't be influenced by peer pressure or what other people do.
. . . To do my duty to God . . .
Your family and religious leaders teach you about God and the ways you can serve. You do your duty to God by following the wisdom of those teachings every day and by respecting and defending the rights of others to practice their own beliefs.
. . . and my country . . .
Help keep the United States a strong and fair nation by learning about our system of government and your responsibilities as a citizen and future voter.
America is made up of countless families and communities. When you work to improve your community and your home, you are serving your country. Natural resources are another important part of America's heritage worthy of your efforts to understand, protect, and use wisely. What you do can make a real difference.
. . . and to obey the Scout Law; . . .
The twelve points of the Scout Law are guidelines that can lead you toward wise choices. When you obey the Scout Law, other people will respect you for the way you live, and you will respect yourself.
. . . To help other people at all times; . . .
There are many people who need you. Your cheerful smile and helping hand will ease the burden of many who need assistance. By helping out whenever possible, you are doing your part to make this a better world.
. . . To keep myself physically strong, . . .
Take care of your body so that it will serve you well for an entire lifetime. That means eating nutritious foods, getting enough sleep, and exercising regularly to build strength and endurance. it also means avoiding harmful drugs, alcohol, tobacco, and anything else that can harm your health.
. . . mentally awake, . . .
Develop your mind both in the classroom and outside of school. Be curious about everything around you, and work hard to make the most of your abilities. With an inquiring attitude and the willingness to ask questions, you can learn much about the exciting world around you and your role in it.
. . . and morally straight.
To be a person of strong character, your relationships with others should be honest and open. You should respect and defend the rights of all people. Be clean in your speech and actions, and remain faithful in your religious beliefs. The values you practice as a Scout will help you shape a life of virtue and self-reliance.
Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:
DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY: Your FAMILY and religious leaders teach you to know and serve God. By following these teachings, you do your duty to God.
Men and women of the past worked to make America great, and many gave their lives for their country. By being a good family member and a good citizen, by working for your country's good and obeying its laws, you do your duty to your country. Obeying the Scout Law means living by its 12 points.
DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE: Many people need help. A cheery smile and a helping hand make life easier for others. By doing a Good Turn daily and helping when you're needed, you prove yourself a Scout and do your part to make this a better world.
DUTY TO SELF: Keeping yourself physically strong means taking care of your body. Eat the right foods and build your strength.Staying mentally awake means learn all you can, be curious, and ask questions. Being morally straight means to live your life with honesty, to be clean in your speech and actions, and to be a person of strong character.
Sarah, Skimmed the long link. Your definition of a 'bit' is charitable to yourself.
"The parents of one-half the home schoolers in these surveys were motivated by the idea that home education is better education. A large share also viewed the issue in terms of shortcomings of regular schools: the parents of 30 percent of home-schoolers felt the regular school had a poor learning environment, 14 percent objected to what the school teaches, and another 11 percent felt their children weren't being challenged at school. Another theme had to do with religion and morality. Religion was cited by 33 percent of parents"
As to actually being 'good' for 'them', I would have to fall back to 'it depends' on the individuals involved. I would suspect that most caring parents would end home schooling if the child wasn't doing well or happy. The only exception being if the child would be at physical risk at their public school.
I have no problems with private schools, except their cost. So I would never tell a parent that couldn't afford the expense, that they couldn't home school.
In closing, be afraid, be very afraid, there are no bragging rights for defeating a 91 y.o. Sarah. lol
I suspect that if they were hardcore fundamentalists, they wouldn't, as their religion, and implanting it into their children's brain, would be more important, hence their home schooling them in the first place.
I punch babies. 91 means nothing to me. ;)
Repent!..turn away from your wicked ways, God is great and merciful!
I have yet to see proof of either. He won't save 20 kids from a maniac shooter, and he won't save us from his idiot followers.
Agreeing with God Almighty and His Bible is safe and wise.
And let there be no misunderstanding: The Bible does not sanction sexual relations between human beings outside of marriage. It is all immorality and sin.
The Bible also is crystal clear on the definition of a marriage, which God Almighty invented,: A sacred union between one man and one woman, period.
All other definitions and sexual activity are rebellion and sin.
Now, here is your cue to blow a self absorbed gasket.
The Bible also says to kill your kids if they disobey and seemed to sanction incest between Lot and his daughters....so much for selective editing.
The Bible also states that you should not judge others. And by the way, not everyone shares in the same beliefs as you. There is no right or wrong religion.
The Bible also says that you should not eat of the flesh nor touch the carcasses of pigs. Are you against barbecue, Herald9, or only football?
Herald deary, it is an historical FACT that marriage, including same-sex marriage, existed long before the Judeo God and subsequent cults were ever imagined.
Blow a gasket? No. Mock you for your puerile god delusion? Sure, absolutely.
Many things in the Old Testament have been deemed uncivilized. Eye for an Eye, etc. Jesus never mentioned homosexuality in any of his teachings. He did teach us to love our neighbors and not judge. He taught us tolerance.
There is no room in our society for those that cannot accept others for who they are. And the God I pray to and believe in is too great to hold someone's sexuality against them. He wants us to find love and gave us free will to do so. If someone is happy with a member of the same sex, then who are the hurting?
The BSA are a disappointment to me and to the Christian faith by acting as if they are better than anyone else.
Welcome to the 12th century
Actually, God punished Lot and his daughters by cursing their line of descendants. Most of the OT Mosaic Laws that Christian-haters like to cite were super-ceded by Jesus's New Covenant in the NT. However, marriage IS just between a man and a woman. Jesus never mentioned it because that was considered a 'no brainer' in Jewish society at that time. Effete gay stuff was too Greek for them.
The BSA has every right to exclude LBGT's, being a private organization. We had a homosexual scout leader when I was a kid who had no kids as scouts in our troop. The other adult leaders gave him a fair chance, but predictably he was caught trying to molest one of the younger kids. In court, when they asked him why he did it, he replied to the judge 'Well, the Boy Scouts ARE where the boys are!" He was totally unapologetic. I don't dislike homosexuals, (it seems ANYONE who disagrees with the LBGT agenda is falsely accused of being 'homophobic', when really we're just grossed out by their behavior), I'm just wary of them. It's an open secret that 100% of pedophile priests or scoutmasters are either gay or bi, and that's a fact that can't be ignored (Adam Sandler and Alec Baldwin even poked fun at the correct stereotype on SNL years ago)...LBGT's are their own worst enemies, but they'll never admit it! Get your act together if you wasnt our acceptance, respected is earned, not legislated.
Pedophilia and homosexuality are NOT the same.
Herald, I am truly thankful we have such a relevant document as the bible in today's day and age to take our cues from. That said, I need some advice from you regarding some "clear" biblical passages and laws and how to follow them:
1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1:9. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?
2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?
3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.
4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?
5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?
6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?
7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room
here?
8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?
9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn't we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)
You & I may not agree with the commentator, but he has a right to his beliefs. I do not agree with homosexuality. It has nothing to do with the bible. I think it has to do with nature. If the two parties cannot procreate, then that seems to be against nature. Sex is enjoyable, but it is still the function of continuing life. And 2 of the same sex cannot do this. Just because it is the 21st century, nature does not change with time. Or by what some want to promote. Just saying....
I hate to break it to you Bill, but you just pretty much quoted the definition of homophobia:
Bill, you religious guys are hilarious with the stuff you make up. Jesus said absolutely nothing about creating a "new covenant" that superseded The Covenant. In fact, he is recorded as saying he did not come to change "the law".
Bill I had no idea that you are so up on 2000 year old Jewish society thinking, that same sex marriage was a no-brainer.
I wonder then, why God thought it was important to address the issue in the old testament. Apparently He didn't believe it was a no-brainer.
And God help us all if you actually believe that ALL pedophile priests or scoutmasters are either gay or bi. I hope you don't operate any heavy machinery with that small mind of yours.
Herald9.
Your Rep's always cherry pick the Bible or the Constitution. You only read the part you what to read. Picking only the parts that make your case is the Hippocratic at its worse. If we all took the Bible to heart, we would be just like the Taliban. If we took the Bible as out law, the Rep's Congress would all be in jail for paying for sex from others then there wife's....." David Vetter" being one. If you will think you think you can live your life by cherry picking the Bible, our laws, God's laws, The Constitution of the USA. The constitution as amendments for a reason. It was made to be changed as times change. The Bible is the same way. Hell if we believe the bible, then all the people on Walstreet would have been killed. The Insurance Company's would of all been closed down and all there asset's taken. Rich people would all be killed and there money taken, and the Church's would never been allow to get so big and powerful. If Jesus came back to day, All of what I just said and more would happen... So be careful what you wish for. You might just get it, and it might not be what you really wanted.
@Bill
I would like to point out that slavery was never condemned by Jesus, and based on the NT it was actively condoned by his apostles (presumably, they would know if he was anti-slavery). Based on your rationale that because Jesus did not speak out contrary to Mosaic laws, then those laws are still applicable. Ergo, using your same logic, owning human property is still an acceptible practice. Would you to comment on your pro-slavery views further, Bill?
And yet Jesus drove the money lenders from the temple.
So, Scott, can we assume that the only time you engage in sex is for the express purpose of having a child?
Otherwise, you're completely celibate? Does that include masturbation as well?
That's probably because your Jesus lived in a profoundly homophobic society, really loved his friend John, and was deeply in the closet.
SRScott,
Um. Yes, it does. It's called evolution, i.e. nature changing with time. Also, women can vote. That's what some wanted to promote and they succeeded. Therefore, your argument is moot on both fronts.
Not surprised most of you turned the focus away from the potential dangers of homosexuality in scouting to that of a uniformed, red-herring religious debate about homosexuality (God, not a corrupted, evil society, is right, He has the last say in the matter whether anyone likes it or not).
The truth is, I was the young scout who was almost molested by our openly-gay Asst. Scoutmaster; unfortunately for him, I had a pocket knife, and he is now a eunuch...too bad he forced me to resort to self-defense. So now that you Gay rights apologists know that, how can you people turn a blind-eye to, and condone that kind of thing in your community? You guys are ALWAYS silent when homosexual priests and Scoutmasters assault young boys. It's no wonder many of us today are considered 'homophobic' (BTW, phobia is the Latin prefix for 'fear', I don't 'fear' gays, I just dislike, NOT hate, many of them, and find their public behavior repugnant as most people do), because many people's first real experiences with the Gay community is when one of them is trying to molest you. What ARE Straight's supposed to think about LBGT's when something like that happens?
Your story smells fishy.
When, exactly, did this occur? Because I know of no time when openly-gay men were allowed in the BSA.
Why doesn't the pack drop BSA and re-charter with Baden-Powell Service Association? They could run the same program for the boys, but in a way that respects the values of the families involved.
The BSA is a private organisation. Last i knew in a "Free" society one could set rules and qualifications for same.
Not much of a "free" society when there is no freedom to associate.
so you may feel free to associate with whom you wish, but if they do not wish to associate with you, then you may force them to?...pretty whacked idea of freedom ya got there.
woodbutcher - Not much of a "free" society when there is no freedom to associate.
Not much of a free society when certain militant minorities insist they be allowed to intrude on other peoples activities.
So I assume you'd ban membership for children of same-sex couples. Even if the children are straight. After all, they might contaminate the other kids.
BS of A scores another one for intolerance.
How can you say that? they allow libs ya know.
Herald- cannot pick and choose which parts of "the Book" you want to follow. So do some praying, drink some snake venom and get back to us
Hey Harold and Scooter
Where's your buddy NavyVet. He will be spewing stupid soon too I am sure.
As i pointed out the other day Brooke, i am not anti gay...just anti stupid. Forcing your views and ways on others is just that....and as you so aptly point out in dissing navyvet...anyone without the same viewpoint as your is "stupid" ...
name calling ...you know how worthless that type of post is...yet you pursue it as it is the lib mantra......
Before you pledge yourself to any oath or promise, you must know what it means. The paragraphs that follow will help you understand the meaning of the Scout Oath.
. . . I will do my best . . .
. . . To do my duty to God . . .
. . . and my country . . .
. . . and to obey the Scout Law; . . .
. . . To help other people at all times; . . .
. . . To keep myself physically strong, . . .
. . . mentally awake, . . .
. . . and morally straight.
Note that the Boy Scout Oath has traditionally been considered to have three promises. Those three promises are delineated by the semicolons in the Oath, which divide it into three clauses. The three promises of the Scout Oath are, therefore:
DUTY TO GOD AND COUNTRY:
DUTY TO OTHER PEOPLE:
DUTY TO SELF:
Nope don't see ANYTHING in there that states...BOW TO POLITICAL PRESSURES AND LIBERALS WISHES.......Do YOU?
I also don't see anything in there that says ban people that believe different things then you. I was a scout my entire life and became an Eagle and a US Marine rifleman, it's appalling that BSA is on the wrong side of history, just like schools and organizations were on the wrong side of history in the 50's when they banned blacks. It's not a matter of IF everyone gets treated the same in the world, it's only a matter of when.. and to be on the wrong side of that equality when even DISNEY promotes full-equality is embarrassing.
'You should respect and defend the rights of all people'- sounds like they were trying to do just that, for their specific group, and everyone in their specific group agreed. Now they're being forced to 'bow to political pressure' in order to keep their group.
Nothing in there about sexual orientation either.....
That does not mean, "require everyone else to subscribe to your religions beliefs." If that's the case then the BSA should simply ban all non-Christians.
The BSA also needs to ban members of the Episcopal church and any other gay-friendly Christians, and just allow members of bigoted cults like the Mormons and Southern Baptists.
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Gay Boy Scout leaders?
Yeah, that's like putting fox in the hen house.
The insurance underwriters wouldn't be happy with it either.
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Explain yourself, Sasha, as you appear to make absolutely no sense.
Since the vast majority of pedophiles are heterosexual, Sasha. Your post makes no sense!
Are you trying to draw a comparison between gay men and pedophiles?
Where in this article does it say " Gay boy Scout leaders" ?
It's not openly gay people you have to worry about, it's (not openly) pedophiles. Not the same thing.
Well, no, he/she's coming right out and saying that.
Let us not forget that the Boy Scouts was founded by Baden Powell, one of the great pederasts of the 20th century. But today, it is owned by the Mormons and will remain a profoundly corrupt organization until it escapes the chains of this bondage. No parent should allow their sons to be associated with this sham and shadow of its former self.
Yes they must be corrupt because they do not believe the same as the liberal bigots and their political correctness!
That's all you have to say? Could it be because you dare not address the Mormon issue? Or because you're so content in your ignorance you can't even take the time to Google it?
The Boy Scouts will either change, or fade away.
Why is everyone being so intolerant of the Boy Scouts views? I don't think the NAACP would let me join. How many would be opposed to little gay boys joining the Girl Scouts? They may have more in common. The Boy Scouts don't have an Interior Decorating Badge.
I think the NAACP accepts non black members.
lulu98
Miss Black America? United Negro College Fund? The list goes on.
According to Breaking News, change is about to happen.
Why is everyone being so intolerant of the KKK's views? After all, they're just following the Biblical injunction that the Sons of Ham are only suited to be the hewers of wood and the drawers of water./s
Stand proud and stand tall. Everyone takes offense because we do not like the sin. I personally do not care if you like my opinion. I will not bash you for what you believe so please respect my opinion. Every one is different.
Woodbutcher, you are simply repeating what SKrekk posted the other day. The NAACP is always sponsoring something with blacks and there is not much said. But let someone stand against the sin of homosexuality and tempers flair. We are the little people and do not get to make the rules. We may have an opinion but in the long run you don't vote on the rules and neither do I.
The sad part it that everyone thinks we have to accept what a corrupt government may force to be the rule of the day. Has everyone accepted abortion after 40 years?? Absolutely not and this issue will always be the same.
Please, just let it go!!!
Abd for those who don't believe it's a sin, you're here to make them believe otherwise, right?
Don't care what they believe. If they want to sit around playing with each other, that is none of my affair. Kinda' nasty when you think about it. But go ahead, make fun with someone of the same sex. Not my sin.
So don't, then. But it's ok for you to make fun of them?
I guess it's ok to discriminate against Jews now, too. Cool. And cripples - we don't want no stinkin crippled people in the pack. Thank god big government is off our backs so we can enjoy our God Given Rights. Oh, and thanks for the non-profit tax break.
I sure as Hell hope these bigots don't get to use any taxpayer-funded public facilities for free.
If the BSA wants to be a religious organization, why don't they join the Westboro Baptist Church. They'd fit right in with these anti-Jesus jerks!
Boy Scouts of America should have been an excellent group to teach boys responsibility and reality, while preparing for the real world. It is terribly disturbing to realize the inability of the organization to impart on our youth the necessity of tolerance and group effort that will be required of them when they reach adulthood. Growing up I was a part of the Boy Scouts and as an adult I served in the U.S. Marine Corps Infantry, luckily I escaped the Boy Scouts without an imbedded intolerance of people that live differently then myself, and was able to function and survive the military because of my ability to accept and work with other people. In fact I served during the "don't ask, don't tell" era, and still knew some Marines that were gay, and served no less honorably than myself. Additionally, I was raised in a Roman Catholic family, but also taught to treat others with dignity and respect, and I'm pretty sure there is something in there about "judge not, lest ye be judged" as well as casting the first stone. You may feel that some people are "living in sin," but before you promote policy against others, and perpetuate hatred and intolerance, remember in the end judgment is not yours. Beware the judgment that awaits you who would presume to know the Lord's Judgement.
Funny how Catholics are supposedly the strictest Christians, but we're raised to treat everyone as equals, and leave the judging to God...
Yep, the ignorant bigotry isn't in the Catholic laity, it's in the Catholic hierarchy. The laity seems to have gotten the message about social justice.
Sooner or later taxpayers should make a fuss about the annual Boy Scout Jamboree they pay for on White House grounds. We pay for discrimination toward little boys.
I don't know why we need to have one of these stories about the Boy Scouts every week on this site. Can't you just leave the Boy Scouts alone!? They are a private organization who are allowed to create their own rules. If you don't like the rules feel free to create your own organization like the "Rainbow Scouts" or something, and volunteer there and send your kids there. Some of us happen to believe that a young teen, who maybe is just experiencing puberty and is confused about his sexual identity, doesn't need some gay ScoutMaster telling him its ok to engage in homosexuality. The Boy Scouts are not a public institution. Feel free to either support them or not. If not, just leave them alone for God's sake.
They can't.
I know, right? It's just like a few decades ago when the public was whining about the BSA having racially segregated troops. It's just not fair that they're criticizing us dumb bigots!
This is an organization that hid the long evidence on pedophiles in their leadership.
Institutional bigotry at its finest...
I stopped donating to United Way, and ANY OTHER CHARITY that funnels money to the Boy Scouts about 20 years ago. May they be happy in their little bigoted world. (Perhaps an outing to the nearest Chick-Fil-A...?)
Thank GOD for the Boy Scouts of America for giving these young men a chance at a normal life that is free of deviant, immoral, repugnant behavior. No, they don't need to change anything, they need to stay the same. If the young tooty fruity's want a club, then make one up and everyone there will be like-minded. Stop pushing this nasty lifestyle on these impressionable youth, trying to indoctrinate them into this sinful culture. If they decide, when they are grown, to live this lifestyle, then so be it. I do not want to hear the BS about biggotry and hatred. If I am biggoted and have hatred towards Gays, then Gays are biggoted and have hatred towards straight people who holds the religious belief that a two men or two women together is sinful. People and organizations should be allowed to have their beliefs and run their clubs as they see fit. Get your own damn club and that will be the end of story. What is the endgame, homosexuals are trying to get into a place where they will never be accepted as normal, why? There are many, no matter what laws are passed, who will never see this immoral behavior as normal. Homosexuals must hang with homosexuals or like minded people or face ridicule and rejection. This is no civil rights movement, it is simply people who was once fearful, but are now coming out of the "closet" and exposing this sinful behavior in the expectations that society is loose enough to accept it.
Thanks again BSA for saying....like many are starting to say....ENOUGH!
So what's your solution to the existence of all those homosexuals here in the USA? Since you're surrounded by them, how are you going to deal with them?
After all, you can't avoid them. They cook serve your food in restaurants, they work in hospital emergency rooms, they work in stores, and God help us, now they're even allowed to teach in schools.
I imagine there even a few who belong to your church.
What are you going to do about it?
No one's looking for a Solution. I have always been aware of Gays and never had any issues with any of them. We have all kinds of people in our society and gays are just one component. I just don't need it paraded in front of me. I don't parade my sexuality to make a statement and neither should they. My belief is my belief. Gays have been and will always be with us. A lot of things have been with us...don't make it right. I don't condone crackheads, prostitutes, murderers, pedophiles, bestiality etc..but hell they are all around me too...probably serving me food,work in stores, hospitals, dentists, lawyers, teachers, pastors, your momma etc.... I just don't need to know...Closet please!
The Cub Scouts do not need to begin learning about new male "friends" who engage in fellatio and sodomy with other males, and they do not need to deal with making sense of "Heather" who has two "Mommies" but no father, gay penguins, or any of the other bits of homosexual trickery . . .
Homosexuality is perversion that literally and physically kills people and travels with a set of diseases which are so gnarly that there is no known cure for them . . .
Leave the Cub Scouts alone and take your twisted perversions somewhere else, really . . .
Really! :-o
Well Baldenario, if there are diseases that travel with homosexuals, at least they are no worse than that horrible, incurable disease that spreads world-wide predominately with heterosexuals known as AIDS.
Well, at least you're up front about banning kids whose parents are gay, even if they're not gay themselves.
I guess the kids should be punished as well. After all it's only fair, since the kids are associating with known homosexuals. Right-thinking kids should run away from home and live on the streets.
And I did notice that you choose to ignore the fact that the rate of venereal diseases is slightly higher among hetrosexuals.
The Boy Scouts of America have the right to implement any policy they deem necessary for their organization.
Isn't that what the Mormon Church said about polygamy? How well did that work out for them?
That's nasty too....just like homosexuality!
What ever happened to " political correctness", its not "anti-gay" its "flame-retardant". I happen to not be anti-gay, i am flame retardant.
It appears that the BSA like the Republican Party refuses to recognize changing attitudes and demographics in this country. If they don't change their policy toward sexual orientation they will find their organization as relevant as Sarah Palin.
Why do everyone have to change attitudes to reflect your lifestyle....YOU are intolerant...move on... get your own club..what's stopping you? Gays Scouts of America.....there you go..I won't let my kids go to yours and don't let your kids come to mine...they would both be out of place.. Stop whining and be off with ya!
So you won't allow your kids to associate with kids who have gay parents. Why am I not surprised.
(And you never addressed my question to you in 20.1. I'm curious what your solution would be. I doubt you have one)
Why the hell do I HAVE to let my kids associate with gays kids.....why??? What good reason would that be for? What value could they bring to my kids? I might as well introduce them to crackheads and prostitutes! Don't be a fool, you're wasting your time. Obama's got you all twisted by perverting his kids. I am not the bisexual-in chief. Let your kids experiment with other kids who are like minded. My kids will be taught what is natural and what is not and can grow up to make their own choice. You're not planting no immoral, disgusting and repugnant seeds around my kids! Begone demon!
Openminded
I dont think so
Always the talk about a "minority forcing it's views". No one is "forcing" you or anybody to change your narrow-minded, bigoted ways. It would be a wasted effort anyway. This group of scouts was "forced" to abandon it's stated mission to include ALL families. Seems that the majority, in this case, the BSA, is forcing ITS views on society.
GET YOUR OWN CLUB!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They already have the Girl Scouts!