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Lowe said police received a call from someone reporting hearing up to seven shots fired in the medical office. Police arrived and found both the gunman and the shooting victim in the office.
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The gunman, a man in his 70s whose name was not immediately released, was arrested without a struggle. An employee who works in the building said the gunman had a scheduled appointment with the slain doctor.
Police did not identify the person who was shot, but witnesses told NBC4 that the man was possibly a urologist.
Because the building is so new, witnesses initially thought the shooting was the sound of construction.
"I thought it was construction, like a nail gun," said Kristin Crotty, an employee at the medical facility.
The doctor has a wife and two children. His family declined to comment late Monday.
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uah.. was it that obvious ?
Nope, clearly we don't have a problem with guns in this country...
True, Americans do not have trouble with guns in this country.
evidently no one could read the sign....
Clearly we have a person with a problem....not a gun problem. Duh!
GM, Scoots! Another day.
But for the gun, this doctor would not have been shot...by definition...
Clearly, we don't have a problem with guns in this country.
Talking about pressure to make sure that catheter goes in painlessly
Motive? Reason? Can I buy a vowel?
GM Stonepipe,
Yep we knew this was coming today, they had to look hard for one though and were no doubt hoping for a multiple.
Clearly we have a rope and plastic bag problem as well eh "Never"?...or didnt you catch THAT article. or is it simply because it dont fit into your anti gun agenda?
Fixed it for ya! ;)
Scoots, the doctor was shot with a plastic bag and rope?
Say it ain't so, Joe.
Only in the Alice in Wonderland world of the NRA.
History lesson simplified ;....
Black powder guns were the first choice"assault weapon" of the new colony's
1774 guns were banned from import to "the colony's"
1775 Briton ordered a gun confiscation law and more tax's in those same colony's.
1776 Revolution.
"those who do not learn from the past are doomed to repeat it"
It always fascinates me that the NRA was pro-gun control when the Black Pathers were exercising their "2nd Amendment" rights.
Only in American; no solid info or facts, everyone jumps to several conclusions, mostly once again that the inanimate non-sentient objects did it, and never hold the human accountable for his indiscretions or for his /her mental health. Predictable minimally low cerebral input by the Media and Anti-inanimate object hater response... WTH?
Funny thing about that is, if a gun is in the wrong hands, it will be abused. tell me how you want to solve this gun problem? because if America doesn't have guns other countries will. So how will you get rid of guns permanently? you can ask foreign countries but I don't think they will listen.
Simple point "never" you wish to blame an inanimate object for a death. That gun did not walk into the office and shoot the doc. that damn simple.
"Suspect was overheard saying, opps I'm sorry I think I'm in the wrong office, I meant to shoot another doctor, oh well. Will I get my gun back?"
Never Stop Asking Questions true without the gun he wouldn't have been shot however the gunman could just as easily stabbed him or he could have ran him over with a car. If
Obviously a prostate exam gone wrong.
Carpe Noctum, but the fact is, he used a gun.
Clearly, we don't have a problem with guns in this country.
Never Stop Asking Questions,
Clearly, we do not have a problem with mental health in this country.
To the contrary, Just a thought(s), we have problems with both issues in this country.
Divide and conquer - Americans are very easily divided and aren't even yet aware of how they have been conquered.
Mornin' Scooter, Stonepipe...
Your statement is compatible to Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton never sowing up when a black man shoots a black or white guy but if a white guy or cop were to shoot a black guy, "POOF" they pop-up out of nowhere holding hands while being in the front row marching down the street chanting their asses off.
Clearly, we don't have a problem in this Country....
Have a nice day...
I never heard that the NRA was against the Black Panthers owning guns
of course, there is not a single felon amongst the Black Panthers...all fine, upstanding citizens, I'm sure
Why don't people ever want to ban CARS? Cars are involved in WAY more annual deaths than guns are. When a car is involved in a death do we blame the car? NO!!!!! We blame the DRIVER and hold THAT PERSON accountable. It is ONLY WEAPONS that are at fault when something bad happens.
WHY IS THAT?
Why is the AAA not blamed like the NRA is?
BECAUSE IT DOES NOT FIT SOMEONES MISINFORMED AGENDA. That is why.
See, I know where the BOLD function is to highlight the most important parts too.
morning Scooter, CD, Stonepipe...
I see the merry-go-round is in full tilt this fine day.
Both the doctor and the shooter have been identified on other news sources. NBC is a little behind here. The doctor is the inventor of Promescent, the premature ejaculation gel.
Probably doesn't have anything to do with why the other guy shot him, though, since the shooter was 75.
NSAQ? Have you ever had a home invasion by an ARMED CRIMINAL? Have you ever had your business threatened or robbed by an ARMED CRIMINAL? Have you ever had your wife or daughter raped by an ARMED CRIMINAL? Have you ever been mugged by an ARMED CRIMINAL? Need any more?
The point is that CRIMINALS do NOT obey the law. Only law abiding people do. Criminals already have the upper hand an YOU and YOUR MISINFORMED cohorts are wanting to make it so LAW ABIDING people cannot protect themselves from CRIMINALS or GOVERNMENTS. What is wrong with you? Have you not studies what happens in countries that take SELF PROTECTION away from LAW ABIDING citizens? CRIME RATES GO UP. They not only go up they SKYROCKET. Especially violent crime.
You make a choice to not have a gun in your home if you want to do that. Leave the rest of the people that have the desire to do so alone.
Something I have never been able to get a gun ban proponent to answer meaningfully:
Let's assume, for a moment, that you succeed in disarming every law abiding citizen in America. Then what? How do you propose to disarm the criminals? How do you propose to limit the power of government? I know what Constitutionalists think will happen. I want to know what you think will happen. What's the endgame?
Someone up thread said he could have run his doctor over, the shooter was in his 70's how was he going to get his Buick LaSabre into the exam room.
Idaho Steven - Because cars are very rarely used to intentionally kill somebody. This man evidently meant to shoot the doctor because he fired 7 times.
By the way, for the people mentioning knives, ropes and plastic bags, etc. Would you rather take on a 70 year old who attacks you with those objects, or a 70 year old who attacks you with a gun? I think the answer is pretty clear.
armed guards in every medical facility. Make it happen!
/sarcasm
This elderly man (in his 70's) was clearly preparing himself to be on the front lines in a war against the United States army and the coming of a tyrannical government...
/sarcasm
Drunk driving kills way more people than guns do, and for sure more than rifles of ANY type. Drunk driving is an intentional act and when it kills people is the same as a gun. That is why it is illegal for you to drive drunk. I am certain that there are many more drunk driving deaths that occur that are not documented either because the person was just under the limit or not tested soon enough or properly. When a person gets behind the wheel of a car after having had any amount of alcohol they PURPOSELY put the lives of other people at risk.
Anti gun people don't have ANY valid arguments. They only have EMOTIONAL arguments.
DrowningGrover:
His original intent in owning the gun may have been to protect himself and his home... who knows? Until authorities release some more information we are all in the dark.
It's unusual for the elderly to do this.
Yes, the gun made it easy for him. And if anti gun nuts are successful in getting all firearms out of the hands of even people like me who use them for home protection, will my friends and relatives see you on here saying, "Too bad, but, oh, well" if NBC has a story one day that I was robbed and killed because I had no way to defend myself?
I've had to use my firearms twice to the past year to run off robbers who thought a woman alone was an easy target, and two elderly women living alone in communities within 100 miles of me used theirs as well when their homes were broken into as they slept.
No Idaho Steven. As much as I hate drunk drivers and think they should be prosecuted heavily, they do not get into a car with the intent to kill somebody.
There was nothing emotional in my argument at all. STRAW MAN!
I see you didn't answer my question, btw.
Rectum ? Damn ! He did kill him !
America has problems with obesity, alcohol, tobacco, slumping education, and poor parenting. Not so much guns...
Also.... elected crooks driving the wheels slap off this thing
How come I never hear a news story about someone using a gun to actually save a life or protect themselves, as guns are supposedly purchased for? All I hear is how they kill (mostly innocent) people. This 70 something yr old man probably purchased this weapon legally, I dont know for sure, but then used it not to defend himself but rather to kill someone. And Im not so sure we can argue that cars are in the same class of "weapons" as guns. They do classify cars as weaons (as I learned in a driving class) but I have never heard or read a news story that a person drove a car through a school, movie theatre, business office or what have you with the specific intent to kill X amount of people. Im not trying to anger gun lovers, but it really seems that guns truly destroy more lives than they save.
Up to seven shots huh? Clearly a new law like the one in New York would not have stopped this.
So ummm................ I thought the anti-gun nutz only wanted to ban and/or control AR with their 300 million load magazines? Why are they here posting anti-gun rehtoric for a little pea shooter?
hmmmm.........
"How come I never hear a news story about someone using a gun to actually save a life or protect themselves"
Well why don't you ask the reporters. There are plenty of them stories, reporters and news outlets don't chase those stories though, unless it ends with some fatality. What's that old saying, "No guts, no glory" the media takes that to heart.
But to the story at hand, the old dude must of wanted a second opinion.
Nothing to see here.
Just another Liberal/Progressive upset about something. It doesn't have to be for any particular reason. This is how Liberals cope with stress, they take a gun, theirs or otherwise, and select another bogeyman and unleash their hate, anger and rage with violence.
Of course the little Libbies will insist this gun ran into the office, shot the doctor 7 times and then jumped into the hands of this poor innocent 70 year old patient. He had nothing to do with this brutal murder.
In the convoluted and delusional mind of the Liberal/Progressive, it's always the guns fault. More than likely because the killers usually end up being Liberals.
robbopaloobop
1968- NRA supports NFA ratification due to Black Panther Party exerting their 2nd amendment rights.
You might want to get some facts on the subject (Black Panther Party) before you spout out things you don't have the facts on. Never mind the fact that the BPP has nothing to do with this story in the first place and doesn't belong in this discussion.
Clearly the gunman was pissed off.
Hey have you guys been over to the story about the Christian School, yet? Just another opportunity for you to twist and tweak the constitution. It's free and I know how you enjoy free stuff. Just sayin............
Maybe not malicious intent, but most people that drink and drive KNOW that they will be impaired. That, in my book and I believe legal books as well (would have to verify), is INTENT.
Just wait until the CRIMINALS don't have to worry about any law abiding citizen having one. Violent crime from CRIMINALS and GOVERNMENTS always follows the disarming of law abiding citizens. You will then find out just how much violent crime our guns is truly stopping.
I think Americans should just suck it up and ban murder.
@ nativeazhiker
Bill Clinton's Justice Department concluded that at least 1.5 million defensive uses of a firearm occur annually. That was nearly 20 years ago.
As far as anecdotal stories, you're just not looking:
http://abcnews.go.com/US/okla-woman-shoots-kills-intruder911-operators-shoot/story?id=15285605
http://nation.foxnews.com/guns/2013/01/07/woman-hiding-kids-shoots-home-intruder
http://www.sacbee.com/2013/01/22/5131026/police-say-violent-intruder-into.html
http://www.examiner.com/article/armed-homeowner-shoots-intruders-while-children-have-sleepover
As far as the claim of most deaths being innocent victims? The vast majority of gun deaths are gang related. Some are innocent victims, yes, but the overwhelming majority of gun deaths are criminals killing criminals.
Is every murder with a handgun now national news ? Objectivity, rationality and context, are fast being replaced by sensationalism and hyperbole in our national media. In a cynical chase for profits, made necessary by the trending media business model that states that objectivity and proportion aren't profitable, the national media is failing at what was once their primary job; providing proportionate factual information within a rational context, and in the process simply fuels more irrational national and political discourse, on important issues.
It's not. It might be treated the same as intent, legally (I don't know that it is, aren't drunk drivers charged with manslaughter, not murder?), but intent means you undertake an action with an objective in mind. People who drink and drive do not go out with the objective of killing someone.
I have no idea why you added the word 'malicious'. You seem to be trying to fudge the issue because you can't reasonably argue against what I said, which is that there are very few cases of people intentionally killing someone with a car and that is why there is a difference between owning one and owning a gun.
You sir, are quite delusional. No explanation needed.
In my case the two times it happened, it was because I live in a small place that is not covered by a national news outlet, and because after I ran them off I called local law enforcement and told them the criminals were gone and they could come on out or not, up to them.
It takes them about 25 minutes to get to my place as I live in the woods. Now, do you want a tally of the number of times I have "protected" myself and my domestic animals from feral animals, some of them rabid?
Would you like me to include the experiences of my rural neighbors that have never made it into the national news?
GA Mimi! Give 'em Hell!
Hi stonepipe.
They won't listen to anything except the sound of their own breathing.
He had an appointment. I wonder what time. It was 2:45 in the afternoon when the shooting occurred . . .
No excuse for it, but you could see how it might happen.
Hi, mpa.
One of the other news outlets had someone saying the shooter was a long time patient of the doctor, that they had always got along.
I really hope there is follow up on this. I HATE these stories where they leave us hanging like this, and it's so unusual for the elderly to do something like this.
The doctor was an Orthodox Jew and as usual in cases of this nature, "well liked" by his neighbors and patients.
nativeazhiker and all the others claiming that guns are never used to protect lives, the fact is they almost never make national media, but they do make the local media, here is just a small sampling for you to read. The stories don't have the ability to be sensationalized the same way.
http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2013/01/08/columbus-man-fights-back-armed-robber.html
http://chronicle.augusta.com/news/crime-courts/2012-12-26/atlanta-man-shoots-kills-robber
http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/Man-shoots-robber-to-protect-parents-20120518
http://www.easybakegunclub.com/news/2081/Man-who-shot-robber-in-Norfolk-won%27t-face-charges.html
http://www.kxan.com/dpp/news/crime/man-shoots-robber-at-his-house
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2012/05/02/jewelry-store-owner-shoots-robber-who-snatched-granddaughters-necklace/
http://www.local10.com/news/1-charged-1-killed-in-gas-station-shooting/-/1717324/18133492/-/38luwt/-/index.html
Pistol Instructor
Now why do you want to cloud up the gun control issue with facts and reason? Isn't enough to know that a gun shot and killed a human being? And we just need to, we must do, SOMETHING, even it is totally irrational to make ourselves FEEL better about the violence going on in this country.
But yeah, my questions exactly. And as Paul Harvey said, "Now you know the rest of the story". I guess not on NBC.news.
Idaho - i've always wondered why bars have parking lots, if driving drunk is illegal.
let's just face it idaho, we dont care if people die...especially little kids...
we just care that grown adults can do whatever the bleep the want, to hell with who gets hurt.
thats the price we pay for FREEDOM - a whole lot of death.
this is america, embrace it...I always tell my cats (like they understand, lol) when they see stray cats in the yard "they may be free, but you'll live a long happy warm healthy life"...
you're valuing ultimate freedom, and most certain near death - over safety, security and happiness - of everyone.
it's selfish, for sure...but this is america, land of selfish, greedy, money hungry bastards.
not a real christian in this land...it's not possible to love freedom, money and the lord.
Jessica-1170252
You know there are already places in this country which you describe for your cats and yourself, they are called prisons.
There are nations like what you describe as well, maybe you should move to one. China for instance. You are free to leave any time you wish, and you can take your cats with you. Why must you people drag this country down, with you liberal ideology and social programs? Europe has these things, why don't you go there?
And don't tell me that I don't care that people die, I take great pride in providing for those who depend on me. And protecting them, as best I can, from harm.
or that I am selfish, greedy or money hungry. If you want to know what selfish looks like, look in the mirror, you would deny me all the things I hold dear to satisfy YOUR needs or wants. Who is more selfish, someone who takes care of themselves and those around them or someone who depends on others to do it for them?
But you are correct about one thing, I am no Christian. Nope, I am an Atheist.
"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin
More guns!!!! The only solution is more guns!!! If everyone had forty-two guns, some would have a hard time deciding which gun to shoot somebody with, and gun murders would decline minutely.
More guns! We have to have more guns!!! God gave us guns and he wants us to use them!!!
More guns! We are hicks &peckerwoods and there's a bear behind every bush and a muslim behind every tree!!! More guns!!!! If we have more guns, then criminals will have more guns, so we need more guns!!!!
It's very simple, Idaho. 99.999% of the time, cars did not intentionally kill someone, whereas in probably a similar percentage, guns DID intentionally kill someone. Get it?
Maybe he told the patient"Here, drink this". Then about two seconds too late he said "No, DON'T". Kablueeee.
Sincere condolences to the family and friends of the murdered Doctor.
Do you ever get tired of typing that??
WilliamOfRites
NO is the simple response.
I do in fact feel empathy for the survivors of any death.
I'm sorry if that offends you.
of course it does XD, common sense always offends lib agendas.
GM Scooter!
Hey.... I haven't seen you awarding anyone a cookie lately. What's wrong... no more Hostess treats available?
GM XD,
Had to go to rehab for my Suzy Q addiction. man that was a tough monkey to shake.
My sympathy... Mine was the plain old powdered mini-donuts. Still get shaky every once in a while!! Especially when I have morning coffee on Sunday. Old routines die hard.
didn't get a chance for dinner last night, so I stopped at the 7-11 this morning. I almost wept by the shelf that used to hold the Hostess products. Boy, do I miss those cherry pies.
Scooter,
I've taken to back alleys to try and get my Ho-Ho fix.
Lori W-2777522
Now you've done it. I'm sweating and shaking... Cherry Pie with that icing they used.... you just HAD to mention those didn't you!!!
I think WilliamOfRites is referring to the frequency with which we have to say/type that phrase.
We all say "sincere condolences" today, and we'll say it again tomorrow, and again the day after that (and again the day after that, ad infinitum). Yet we never stand up and DO something about it...
DrowningGrover
Sorry. NO is again the answer.
WoR is a radical anti-gun fanatic. He is also an antagonist that likes to make vapid attempts at baiting me into infantile discussions. Invariably using simple one liners or twisting my comments to suit his purpose.
He is disingenouos at best.
WoR is british, another bitter looser from the days of the revolution. He doesn't understand why Americans added the 2nd in the constitution.
That is exactly correct but the old platitude about leading horses to water still applies.
Call me Bill, maybe you can figure it out. (Really, MAYBE)
Hey WoR, isn't that a top pop song these days, "Really, Maybe"..................
It maybe more funny if your name handle was "LittleRichard".............
to be fair, neither do many of the most ardent pro-gun advocates...
I wouldn't know, everyone that I do know that listens to "top pop" is under 14.
Still haven't figured out the name yet I see but I was pretty sure you wouldn't.
See,
All the thousand or so side effects that are listed at the end of every drug commercial really do happen.
Including mood changes and change in mental status.
Therefore, we must now do background checks on everyone before taking Viagra.
So I can't take Viagra until I finish those background checks? :P
Viagra can make you go blind, makes you a much less accurate shot.
"Viagra can make you go blind, makes you a much less accurate shot"
But viagra lets you shoot longer............................................................................>
Geez. Those strict gun laws in CA have really prevented all the shootings in that state like the Politicians said they would. Is this the 2nd or third shooting making national news in CA this year already?
you are absolutely right. I am glad you are in favor of stricter gun controls
The NRA will release a statement later today saying we should put an armed guard in every doctor's office and that every patient should have a mental health test before being allowed to see their doctor.
The NRA will release a statement later today saying we should put an armed guard in every doctor's office and that every patient should have a mental health test before being allowed to see their doctor.
As long as there are approx. 300 million firearms in this country no gun control legislation is going to work. Got a grievance, get a gun!
Can you find a single quote from one of these politicians saying any such law would stop all shootings? Doubtful. So you are simply mocking and exagerating something that doesn't exist.
Let's get rid of the thousands of gun laws and institute about 5 really strict ones.
1. You must register any firearm you own and report any transfers of ownership. If your weapon is stolen it must be reported as such. If not reported you will be legally responsible for any further uses of that weapon.
2. Any possession of a weapon that you do not properly own will result in an immediate jail sentence.
3. A mental health exam will be required at the purchase of your first firearm. A health professional will conduct that evaluation and will also be able to take into account any medications you may be taking.
4. Possession of hollow point and armor piercing ammo will be illegal.
5. Possession of assault type weapons (we know what they are) and large magazine clips will be strictly regulated as are automatic weapons today. These would no longer be available at your local sporting goods store (as they are not sporting goods).
blueinoregon,
Good enough for the president, good enough for everyone.
Its very obvious that you actually have no idea what an "assult weapon" is. You are just another one of those brainwashed by the regime of Obama/Biden/Fienstien/Bloomberg.
Ban handguns.
GM Takenada,
ban the word ban
Perhaps we should take away all the guns, then we won't need any gun laws. No guns, no shootings. Simple.
I actually believe voxationis has the right approach, but as long as guns are available to almost anyone, there are going to be innocent victims along the way. People like bcook, who believe people who are guilty of using some common sense, are the brainwashed fools, afraid of their shadows, and using a gun as a substitute for real guts.
perhaps the problem is that people no longer use words to remedy situations, instead they reach for an easier solution (in their minds); or perhaps people are not being taught - in school, at home, through media, how to resolve issues without resorting to permanent solutions.
perhaps it is time to rethink and tackle this problem of "easier solutions" a different way - like providing schools with the funding they need to provide children with better debate and resolution skills (which also would help end bullying), and give parents the skills they need to teach children respect for others. In addition, it is imperative that we support mental health funding locally and nationally.
in effect, this would help to nullify the twist we find ourselves in as a nation over guns. how? if people use words rather than a weapon to decide battles wouldn't that help reduce violence?
Vox...you have got to be kidding me? Your laws are ridiculous and/or ridiculously written.
Oh, God, why won't people take responsibility for their own actions? Why do they blame the tree when it falls on them, instead of themselves for standing under the tree? Why do they blame the snake for biting them, instead of themselves for playing with the snake?
This story reveals two things: 1) there's a family without their dad, and 2) there's a guy that has mental issues and would resort to using any means necessary to hurt someone. It does not reveal that more gun laws are needed. In fact, in all the recent shootings around the U.S., none of the laws being proposed would have stopped the criminal from doing what they did.
rule 4 is a bit lame. The first 3 are fine gun supporter or not
Ralph, it's called the 2nd ammendment. The government CANNOT take away a legally owned firearm unless it's proven that the owner is a danger to himself or society.
It will never go through the house or senate or the supreme court to outlaw guns.
WTH, voxrationis? How dare you propose a logical, well-thought list of gun-ownership laws? There is no room for rational thought in these forums, we'd all much rather rant about how right "our" side is, curse the other side, and condemn any side that supports a ... voice of reason!
Lest the real story gets buried in our rants, my thoughts go out to the slain MD, the family, and all connected to this tragic story.
@Casual
Without any judgement about the actual content of the education you propose (which sounds logical and would probably benefit the majority of the population), there's a problem...
If you think there is controversy about gun ownership, try telling parents that they need to a) learn how to behave and b) make their children listen to your agenda.
You'd have better luck just taking their guns.
@voxrationis:
I LOVE IT!
Those are the BEST ideas ever, but I know how they can be even better.
1. Besides registering the gun, anyone who gets one should have a distinctive brand or tattoo put on their face so everyone they meet will know to avoid them. The fact that anyone wants a gun at all means that they're mentally ill, and that right there makes them a menace to everyone else and very dangerous to anyone within sight of them.
2. I like the immediate jail sentence idea. It would be really good if there is no habeus corpse crap and no trial by jury. If someone is caught with a gun they didn't register or if they fail to get branded, they can just be disappeared and no one ever hears from them again while they perform hard physical labor somewhere, like melting down confiscated guns and breaking rocks.
3. The mental health exam is perfect. It should not be done by a mental health professional, however. It should be performed by a political appointee who appreciates that anyone wanting to own or possess a gun is mentally ill by default so everyone is rejected. It would be really great if it was also a crime for a mentally ill person to seek permission to buy a gun. That way, anyone who takes, and fails, the exam is arrested on the spot just like a person who is caught with an unregistered gun or didn't submit to branding.
4. How about possession of ANY ammunition be outlawed? With no ammunition, no one gets killed!
5. As long as hand guns are restricted like machine guns are, I'd be happy.
vox,
I'd like to add a couple of items to your list.
1-everyone who has legal firearms need to fill out a form every year, stating that their registered gun is still in their possession. Failure will result in fine and confiscation.
2-large clip, and rapid fire firearms can only be kept at fire ranges with exception below
3-farmers and ranchers or others who live in isolated border area can get a special permit to have these weapons, but must go though special evaluation and training every 2-3 years
1. Gun Registration has proven to not be effective, with the exception of confiscation by the govt.
2. I'm good with that one. Since I purchase and obtain documentation for every weapon I own then I won't have a problem. The criminals that possess stolen weapons, or weapons obtain from straw purchase would be effected.
3. That would violate our Constitution. One that might not is temporarily removing the right to purchase or possess firearms while under the care of or being prescribed medication by a mental health professional until cleared of any mental illness.
4. Armor piercing rounds are already illegal. Hollow points (JHP) are actaully safer than Full Metal Jacket (FMJ) rounds. JHPs fragment when they hit a target, and don't have a tendancy to over penetrate a target. FMJs don't fragment and do have a tendency to pass through a target hitting additional unintended targets.
5. Why? They account for less than 1% of all gun violence. I have gone thru the process for owning restricted weapons, which I was ok with because of the hardware I bought and one that I inherited. Suppressor for an M107, M16A2, and a M1918. It's not likely that criminals would buy those given their price tag, but they can get them on the black market without any interviews, $200 ATF stamp, in debth background check, and interviews of people who know you.
Why are you people so against one of your constitutional rights? I understand that kids get killed, but let's take a look at the perps and not the guns. You have the RIGHT TO OWN OR NOT OWN A FIREARM. JUST BECAUSE YOU CHOOSE TO NOT OWN ONE, DOES NOT MEAN I DON'T HAVE THE RIGHT.
Here's an idea, let's all hold hands and sing kumba-ya, then no one would be holding a gun, no one would go hungry, there would be no more sadness and tears, and the world would be at peace. If I roll my eyes back far enough I might go blind.
@thepunisher-2054749
The only problem with that is then we would all starve to death. If we all held hands, no work would be accomplished, no crops planted or harvested, no food would be transported to stores, we would not even be able to eat as that would mean not holding hands.
You and I know that is the world the uber-liberals and progressives would like, but like all of their theories and concepts, are not actually feasible in the real world the rest of us live in.
Oh.. I think the only thing you would accomplish by rolling your eyes back that far would be eye strain and a nasty headache. I'll advise against it!
The guy was obviously pissed off at the urologist.
Because the NRA told him to??
Moreover the patient WOULD have been covered under the ACA and not under the Romney/Ryan "screw you" insurance plan.
He probably had an open carry permit and was pissed off his appointment was running late, so he thought he would make sure his next doctor never is running late.
This is what our country is coming to! People dealing out lethal punishment for really small personal infractions. This IS the way gun owners want it. EVERY has to carry a gun to defend themselves against everyone else. What a great way to live!!
Having one beats NOT having one.
Blue, you obviously have never been to a gun show. Never will you be around a more polite and courteous group of people in your life. It is not EVERYONE I'm worried about, it is the ones who do not care about ANYONE.
And this is just the beginning of obummercare...
good one, Mike
old dude: Say doc, what's your specialty?
Doc: Ur-a-logist.
Old dude: say what? Ur-mamma! Blam.
The patient probably found out he wasn't covered by insurance because of Obozocare and flipped out. He obviously planned on killing the doctor,otherwise,why did he bring his gun to the appt in the first place.
anti
Was your lobotomy covered?
Bring on Obozocare. I am going to let everyone in on a secret. We pay for our own insurance and just health was over 800 a month. The truth is and you have to ask for it-options-our deductible went up 200 dollars but our monthly is now a little over 400. One thing, had to drop the mental health ( so my other half will be out of pocket) :) . But your Ins. company will not TELL you anything, you have to ask.
More like he just found out his "Cadillac" health insurance doesn't pay for half of the stuff he thought it did especially since he has been paying for it for 30 years. He probably had to file bankruptcy because of the thousands of dollars worth of medical bills he has racked up! Or maybe he just found out that he reached a cap on his health insurance and they won't pay for anything more or maybe he was DENIED coverage because he had a cold when he was 6 an now his greedy health insurance company won't pay his medical costs.
It is more a problem with profit seeking health insurance companies that Obamacare!
Right on, blue. Wall St., Banksters and insurance companies, and the liberals want to turn the Second Amendment over to congress whose approval rating is lower than whale dung. Who'd a thunk.
stonepipe - nothing should be overturned to congress. bunch of babies! how about the ATF and NRA just step up and do their jobs properly to keep guns out of the wrong hands? If those fools just did their job nobody would even be talking about banning guns.
But he could have used a toaster, you know how people in their 70's are so spry and agile they can hit a bird flying with a toaster.
Ban toasters!!!
What? Was that sarcasm? Try to make it relate to the subject.
WoR, you really need to work on that humor of yours. It's truly dull.............
It seems the pro-gun group is shrinking rapidly with many starting to realize th end of a free society with guns made a part of everyday life. Does the NRA now suggest volunteer armed folks in every doctor's office. Are they supposed to accompany the patient in to an examining room?
Look folks, America is quickly sinking under the weight of guns. School, shopping center, movies are alla being violated by gun violence, along with families and now doctors offices. Time for all to get on board and work to get guns out of everyday life.
Once again, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I am talking to many of you posting here.
You can cherry pick every story that makes national news and try to prove your argument, but you must be aware that only certain stories are chosen. Why is that? Did you hear of the homeowner in the {Powelton Village section of Phila. who used his handgun to shoot a burglar last week? The burglar broke in through a back door and was carrying a shovel. The homeowner defended himself with no harm to anyone else, but that story didn't get national exposure...
Disagree, the pro-gun people are getting stronger every time some far left opens their mouth and spouts a gun ban. You said it best "The end of a free society with guns made a part of everyday life". Could not have said it better. Thank you.
Kamaaina,
The pro gun group is shrinking? NRA is having a record new membership situation.
@Kamaaina: Then why is the NRA membership skyrocketing?
You're just another anti-gun nut who doesn't know what you are talking about.
@Kamaaina: The pro-gun group is not shrinking. You are misinformed. What is shrinking is the mentality of many who think guns are the problem. Again, you are misinformed.
What is the problem is the moral decline of people.
You state: Once again, if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. I am talking to many of you posting here.
So, here you speak of yourself. You are not part of the solution, but rather the problem.
Here is what a father who lost his son in Newtown testified to at the subcommittee of CT Legislature:
Mark Mattioli, whose six-year-old son James perished inside of the school, testified that a plethora of new gun laws isn't the answer and that, instead, personal responsibility, accountability and civility are the best path forward. He made his comments as intense debate surrounding gun control and the causal factors behind the shooting continue to be at the forefront of public discussion.
he grieving father, who ended up receiving a standing ovation, said that he believes in "simple, few gun laws" and that there are already "more than enough on the books." Mattioli contends that "the problem is not gun laws" and that these regulations simply need to be enforced.
"How do we expect to have any impact on a society and say, 'We're going to pass a law. Hey this is inexcusable. We can't allow any more of this. Let's pass a law that will change the course of the future' when we don't enforce the laws that we have on the books — the most important laws?,"
The father who lost a son, gets it. Shouldn't we all? MORE Laws WILL NOT fix the problem. Most of the laws that exist are not even enforces. So, what? Make more? Not a fix.
"It seems the pro-gun group is shrinking rapidly with many starting to realize th end of a free society with guns made a part of everyday life"
No, its just pointless to argue with r-tards. You will never win.
You remove all of the legal guns and the black market will proliferare with illegal guns. Removing guns will have the same result as the war on drugs. We will see a tremendous influx of guns from south of the border and blood will flow just like it is in Mexico. Look up the list of countries where the murder rate is the higherst and you will see that it is Central America (no, not the US midwest) and Africa. Most of the day to day US murders occur in low income Hispanic and Black communities and I would suspect that most of those guns are not registered. A more realistic soluition would be to imprison people who commit a gun crime to 20 years MANDATORY in a Federal prison. Removing guns from law abiding citzens will just leave us unprotected. No thank you.
We should ban Elderly people, clearly they are the problem...
Pretty soon we will all be required by law to own a gun, like it or not....
Isn't that ridiculous? It's as ridiculous as saying stricter gun control/ammo control will lead to all our rights being taken away.
It's not ridiculous. Take a look at Kennesaw, GA. City ordinence requires that every home have a gun. Their violent crime rates, and home invasions are some of the lowest in the country. Criminals know better than to break into a house that is required to have a firearm.
Docs everywhere, heed this:
Always give a good diagnosis.
Looks like the wages for the sin of padding the bills for Medicade and Medicare be death, or maybe the old dude just got tired of ingesting poison so as to help the doc win that all expenses paid Hawaiian vacation. I've attended far too many funerals for friends, family, lovers and others to be able to generate much sympathy for thieving, murderous pill pushers who care about nothing except money. "Physician heel thyself", and, boy, do they ever! Nothing but licensed dope peddlers. A lessening in the numbers of doctors and lawyers would go a long way toward getting the country out of the mess "five deferrment Dick" left us, although I don't recommend this tactic---banishment to Texas, or Arizona, would be more humane, maybe. On second thought, maybe not! HILLARY or JOE 2016!
Stop going to the doctor, no matter how sick you get. That way you don't have to deal with the medications that are prescribed.
Are murderers allowed to be on Medicare? What a waste - the doctor gets up every day to help people and this happens. Will be interested to know the old man's motivation. Very sad.
Yep, had the man killed the doctor with a knife, you liberals would be babbling about knife control. Typical...
No, I'm sure they would still blame the gun. Have a great day, and thanks.
They are all direct decendants of the UK. Someone gets shot so they ban certain guns. Someone gets shot by another gun and they ban those. Now violence has skyrocketed and the most common weapon is a knife and they want to ban those.
http ://www. freerepublic. com/focus/f-news/2972694/posts
http: //frontpagemag. com/2012/dgreenfield/british-doctors-call-for-ban-on-long-kitchen-knives-to-end-stabbings/
Elderly people are a problem in the US, some kill people with cars, because don't want to give up their license or like this bozo assclown with the gun in the drs office. he took his gun to the doctor's office for a reason.
Wow where's all the assualt weapon hype and made up details like the media did for two weeks during the CT school shooting?
One elderly man shots a doctor, was he a smoker,Obama supporter,NRA member, was he worried over the Climate change,the debt ceiling,too much salt in the food,real sugar vs gum, was the doctor just mean or abusive???
No pop culture cause to blame this old mans actions on?
You gotta ask, why would someone that old just decide to kill his doctor? Despondent over impossible medical bills? Doc blew an analysis of kidney failure or cancer, decided if he was going to die, he would take someone with him? Doc was doing a procedure and rubbed the wrong way? Seriously, something sounds wrong here - us old geezers don't usually jump and shoot someone for no reason.
Made up details? Real sugar vs. gum? Sounds as if you are one of the folks that should NOT be licensed to own.
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no problems with guns...just some of the idiot morons who own them...the 70yr old might hwve had other issues...
Could be the old dude has just lost it. I had a great-great uncle with Alzheimer's who decided his neighbor was stealing his mail or gas or something, so he sat out in a lawn chair with his shotgun waiting for the guy to come home. Luckily the town cop and my grandma were able to talk him down, and he spent the rest of his life in the nursing home. He had been fine living alone for quite a few years before that, with regular check-ins from my grandma, but I knew he was going downhill when instead of calling me by my aunt's name (we look a lot alike), he called me by my cousin's name (I'm blonde and pale, she has her mom's native american coloring).
A urologist yeah i can see where that might happen....... a proctologist with large hands certainly....
You only have to worry about a Proctologist if he puts both hands on your shoulders.
lol..you two are funny..thanks much!!!
Now are we clear that a medical exam isn't going to predict a murderer....
Is that a gun in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?
'what do you mean i won't ever get it up again? BANG, well, ONE of us won't...'
You nailed it!
You have laws but people constantly break them. That is why they are called criminals. They will continue just because they can. Unless you can fix human nature it does not matter how strict you make them. People buy and sell drugs, cheat on income tax, rob banks, murder folks, embezzle others and you name it. It is not about the gun. It is about People, period! If someone wants to kill you there probably is NO way you can stop them unless you have body guards on you 7/24. Sorry but no one is responsible for their conduct except themselves. You can not blame sellers, NRA, Bush, Obama, Right or Left because of some person going postal on others. There are been folks who have never been a felon their whole lives then one day when they are 72 they go out and kill someone. Or they get angry and shoot someone. Or their spouse leaves them and they kill them plus themselves. How do you control that with hundreds of millions of people in every day life? You can't, period. Marching against guns is NOT going to stop anyone from using them or other weapons just because you wish it to be. Normal people do not want anyone to kill others for any reason. Not everyone is normal and everyone is different from each other. Guns are here and they are NOT going away. Your not going to take them from millions of law abiding folks or the only ones who will ever have them are the gang members and criminals running amok throughout our nation. Tough on crime would be a start.
Ban automatic weapons and large capacity magazines. While we are at it let us ban handguns.
Yeah, right, like that'll ever happen.
Can we ban mental health problems, gangs, drugs, criminals, cartels? Let's try shall we?
Brilliant solution. It's always the law abiding citizens who commit the shootings.
If you are man enough to take mind then come on down to Florida
takenaka
They said he only used 7 shots. So he would have been NY legal.