Keep beating that drum boy. Never let the fact that throughout economic history every time government runs an industry costs go up, quality goes down, there is rampant fraud and a shortage (rationing).

What you describe is communism. Communism has already failed in numerous other countries, you want that here?

Study a bit of history, there is no sense in repeating failures.

What do you mean "Medicare run out" Once you have it, you have it, unless you don't pay the premium. Oh, and by the way, Prilosec is no longer under patent, and the generic form can be had at Walmart for about $16.97 for a 42 day supply.

If you think government run health care is free or can ever be efficient, you've imbibed too much of Obama's koolaid.

Money is what is all about U r absolutley right. 1st thing I hear out of husband docors office staff is

THAT WILL BE $10 COPAY. I wanna puck everytime. Then the quack tells him to give up soda , when he needed a FRICIN PACEMAKER!

I hope someone does to him what that ole man did to his doc

1. Although I am for Universal Healthcare and think that the cost of medical insurance is outrageous there are somethings wrong with your statement: a) medicare does not run out until you die. You're referring to pharmaceutical care I assume? b) before people get their panties in a wad, you need to understand how the healthcare field works. Your doctor gets what your insurance allows. He can bill 1 mill for your office visit but he is only going to get $45. That's including your copay if you have one. C) also you must understand certain specialty practices. Its costs the doctor, say oncologist, thousands a month just to buy one medicine to treat their patients or run a radiation machine. Then you throw in mandatory malpractice insurance. Pay the nurses and doctors and other workers and their insurance. Sometimes, you're lucky to break even. Now, I don't disagree that there are doctors that do suck but its going against their code of ethics. But their call I guess

2. He probably did bet105 need to stop drinking soda if he drank a lot of it. I'm just sayin'. Sometimes, when you don't listen to the doctor try to help you out and keep repeating your bad habits, well you end up needing a frickin pacemaker. I'm not trying to put you down, but I really get tired of listening to people complain about things that are wrong with them and point blame on everyone else. And $10 copay?!?! wow. You're lucky. That's cheep! And well, by signing your contract for your healthplan, you agree to pay the doctor that copay every time you go to the doctor. That's your part of the contract and well, sometimes, that's basically all the doc gets to treat you is your copay. Let me ask you, Do you work for free? No? Than why expect a doctor to?

3. Universal healthcare is not an example of communism. You go read a history book. We are the only country in the world that has the healthcare system we have. And no, don't go start patting yourself on the back just yet, because our system isn't successful what so ever. Having affordable healthcare is a right not a privilege. We all deserve to have proper care. Health insurances should not charge an arm and a leg for insurance. Equipment, such as MRI's should not cost millions. Pharmaceutical companies should not charge $100 of dollars for something that cost 20 cents to make.

My guess is probably this, this guy was diagnosed with prostate cancer, had to have either radiation, hormone therapy, or prostitectomy. He now has ED. And his cancer came back. Probably didn't listen to everything the doc told him and now blaming him as a result. Or maybe he didn't like the way he grabbed his tenders. I don't know. But he went in there with intent I'm sure of it.

As the American population ages, Alzheimers and other conditions producing diminished capacity for reason and judgement, along with impulsivity and baseless anger develop as the brain deteriorates. There will be many, many tragedies with the long time concealed carry and family gun folks as they age. it is very difficult to diagnose Alzheimers in early stages, but that is when people are most explosive, reactive and dangerous. Later, they will probably forget where they put their guns when out of the house, leading to easy thefts and at some point forget it is a weapon leading to self and other inflicted accidents

What is the NRA and the pro-gun solution for this coming problem? Very likely this is the cause leading to a tragedy for the doctor's and shooter's family and community.

I'm NOT flaming you, but I just have to ask.

Exactly where did you indicate in your post CRIMINAL control?

I will gladly surrender all my firearms, if you or anyone can provide me with one substantiated and verifiable instance of a firearm, any firearm, not just here in the United States, but anywhere in the world that has:

1-Removed itself from its place, regardless of whether that place is a safe, fireplace mantle rack, display cabinet, nightstand, table top, drawer, or the holster of a person and...

2-Located the proper ammunition and loaded itself and...

3-Located a target, be it a person or animal...

4-Acquired the target in the sights and....

5-Lastly, fired itself.

I feel very confident saying I will be keeping my firearms for a very long time to come.

What the "gun debate" SHOULD be about is CRIMINAL control and Mental health. Rational people do NOT take the life of another with the exception of self defense or in time of war, and even in war the rationality of it is debatable.

This article was NOT about the gun debate. It was about a disturbed elderly man who premeditatively killed his physician. We still have to wait for motive but this man was on a mission, obviously. Something happened to tip him over the edge and had he not owned a gun, he would have used other means to accomplish the killing -- a knife, lead pipe, car, etc. I'm really curious about the old guy's motive and less about any gun debate.

XD,

Alzheimers is a mental and physical health problem and a deadly one for gun owners and those they come into contact with. what is your solution to the coming wave of aging gun owners as they lose the capacity to reason, remember and control impulses?

Kamaaina

The same control FAMILY members use. For example, if they are unable to convince their loved one to voluntarily give up driving PRIVILEGES, they go to the authorities for the requisite assistance. For those that own firearms, the same should apply. ONLY after the individual refuses to cooperate with the family and relinquish any and all firearms, then they can and SHOULD go to the authorities for assistance. Not to have the firearms confiscated and destroyed, but to be retrieved and given back to the family.

My late father in law relinquished his to me. The only time he had access to them was when he was coherrent enough and wanted to go to the range.

It really isn't that difficult. In fact, it was easier to get his firearms than to get his drivers license.

it is likely from many posting here that there are loners with no family, folks who hide their gun ownership or others with strident attitudes that will likely strain family contactas they begin to lose competency. It is very har to tell at first.

There are also many brain impaired younger people, in fact a good percentage of our prison population. Their impairment doe to maternal drug use, blows to the head and other injuries. Finally, the frontal lobes (which control impulsive behavior and control the raw drives of the limbic system) do not fully develop until early adulthood. I do not think the NRA has considered this in exposing so many young people to weapons and encouraging parents to do so.

Primary care physicians and certainly family members cannot identify the early stages of Alzheimers and other dementia when impaired individuals are most unrestricted and potentially dangerous to them selves and others. You are fortunate in your situation with your dad, others will not bem such as the family members of those posting their gun will only be removed from their cold dead hands. People become even less compliant and often more stubborn as they age and more so with dementia.

it is likely from many posting here that there are loners with no family, folks who hide their gun ownership or others with strident attitudes that will likely strain family contactas they begin to lose competency. It is very har to tell at first.

There are also many brain impaired younger people, in fact a good percentage of our prison population. Their impairment doe to maternal drug use, blows to the head and other injuries. Finally, the frontal lobes (which control impulsive behavior and control the raw drives of the limbic system) do not fully develop until early adulthood. I do not think the NRA has considered this in exposing so many young people to weapons and encouraging parents to do so.

Primary care physicians and certainly family members cannot identify the early stages of Alzheimers and other dementia when impaired individuals are most unrestricted and potentially dangerous to them selves and others. You are fortunate in your situation with your dad, others will not bem such as the family members of those posting their gun will only be removed from their cold dead hands. People become even less compliant and often more stubborn as they age and more so with dementia.

Kamaaina

To be candid, I can't see how you get the extreme view that

it is likely from many posting here that there are loners with no family, folks who hide their gun ownership or others with strident attitudes that will likely strain family contactas they begin to lose competency.

I'll submit the exact opposite. The vast majority of 2nd Amendment proponents indicate that they own fierarms for not only SELF defense, but defense of family, and others.

Also, how do you correlate exposing children to firearms is causing frontal lobe injuries? I was exposed at an early age as was my son and grandchildren. I'm quite capable of understanding right from wrong and expressing myself coherently as is my son. My grandchildren are very advanced for their age compared to others in their age group, but I give my wife credit for that. SHE spent the time with them as infants and toddlers teaching them their ABC's, counting and even more importantly MANNERS and RESPECT.

I won't delve into the mental health of the preponderance of our prison populations, but I will submit that much of that is either parental neglect and/or self induced experimentation with varying drugs. Something that is not the responsibility of you or me. It is entirely the responsibility of the individual.

As to your contention that Alzheimers cannot be identified in the early stages. Granted, in the VERY early stages it can be difficult if not impossible, but it is VERY apparent long before an individual gets to the point of being a true danger to themselves or others. And it is at that stage that family and/or friends can intervene.

If it DOES advance to a stage where the individual is belligerent and/or a danger to himself or others, the authorities can intervene if necessary.

But, all of that having been said, please tell me exactly how putting restrictions on inanimate objects will impact the lack of mental health facilities for those in need. I will submit it does not and will not.

Exposing children to firearms does not cause frontal lobe injuries. The frontal lobes do not fully develop until the early 20's. This means impulsivity, judgement and risk taking behavior is high until the frontal lobes are fully formed. From a purely physiologic basis, a person younger than late teens/early 20's does not have brain structures sufficiently developed to support handling a gun.

Early Alzheimers is the time for most to be free to move about, but with compromised memory, judgement and impulsivity, along with anger and frustration that they are not quite right, but not functioning poorly enough to realize or loved one;s to realize they have a progressive problem. I view early dementia as the most high risk period for gun violence and would not be surprised if this was the situation for this gentleman. Repeated concussions in football players lead to dementia with recent high profile gun murder/suicides of players no one expected of having compromised brain functioning.

Violence to self and others requires a predisposed person who acts on what is often a fleeting urge and the immediate or rapid availability of an effective weapon. No weapon is effective as producing death to self or others than a gun, as we are seeing over and over again.

It all went out the window once we started hyper-medicating our children.

does he drink a lot of caffeine? Is he over weight? Has he gone to see a pulmonologist? Is he a primary care doc? 4 mths isn't very long. But glad they found the diagnosis. most docs are closed on weekends. Is he a primary care physician? Does he really take those trips or are you speculating? And as for the office staff, that's their job. I think you just need to chill out a bit. Like I said, do you really think the doctor should work for free? Would you? No it shouldn't take away from care, but seriously think about it. Plus they are human and they spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on school and licensing to be a doc and we shouldn't dictate what and how they spend their money now should we?

I am not in any way taking away from what you feel happened to you. But in now way shape of form does this an any way give any right to shoot and kill another human being. NONE! You hear me? None!! You really think being fed up is a good reason to shoot another person? Be angry, go see another doc. But obviously your husband likes him and still goes to see him.

Give me a break, people die everyday from disease, this man had his life. OMFG

I'm sure he was told. He just didn't listen. Nothing is ever guaranteed. And you know, there's research he could have done. For crying out loud they took out an organ that helps with his sexual function. I've worked with prostate cancer patients for almost a decade. Its a very sensitive subject. But you know, if he didn't do anything about it, he could have died with in years or months. Who knows?

Have you ever seen a firearm self animate and go on a rampage?

Unless you were hallucinating, you haven't.

Terri a big & false assumption we don't know all the facts. Did the guy have a history of mental instibility, or criminal record & was the gun obtained legally all facts we don't know at this time. For the life of me cannot understand why anyone would feel the need to resort to arbitrarily taking a life. That being said I will comment about losing your temper, I have lost mine in the past but never ever have I made a decision to utilize a firearm to solve it or even thought of going that route. Tired of people who quickly label all gun owners as nuts or somehow responsible for the crimes we have.

Actually, my regular Physician carries, as does my Chiropractor. Both have a place for those of us who carry to secure our firearms when we are being examimed or treated.