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Texas Department of Criminal Justice via Reuters
Kimberly McCarthy is scheduled to be executed by lethal injection on Tuesday for the stabbing murder of her neighbor in 1997.
HUNTSVILLE, Texas — A Dallas judge has halted the scheduled Tuesday night execution of a Texas woman who would have been the first woman put to death in the U.S. in three years.
The order from state District Judge Larry Mitchell moves the execution of Kimberly McCarthy, 51, to April 3.
McCarthy faced lethal injection for the 1997 beating, stabbing and robbery of a 71-year-old neighbor in Lancaster, about 15 miles south of Dallas.
Lawyers for McCarthy, who is black, argued that the jury that convicted and sentenced her to death was selected improperly based on race. It was made up of 11 white people and one black person.
The Dallas County District Attorney's office said it wouldn't appeal the ruling. The DA's office had called the effort a "mere delay" tactic, saying the record didn't support a valid legal claim for discrimination.
A Dallas County jury had already found McCarthy, a former nursing home therapist, guilty of the killing when evidence at the punishment phase of her trial tied her to two similar murders a decade earlier.
"Once the jury heard about those other two, we were certainly in a deep hole," recalled McCarthy's lead trial attorney, Doug Parks. Jurors decided McCarthy should die.
Her execution would have been the first since a Virginia inmate, Teresa Lewis, became the 12th woman put to death since the U.S. Supreme Court in 1976 allowed capital punishment to resume. In that same time, 1,309 men have been executed.
McCarthy also would have been the first woman executed in Texas in more than eight years and the fourth overall in the state, which executes the most people in the nation — 492 prisoners since capital punishment resumed 30 years ago.
Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics compiled from 1980 through 2008 show women make up about 10 percent of homicide offenders nationwide. According to the NAACP Legal Defense Fund, 3,146 people were on the nation's death rows as of last Oct. 1, and only 63 — 2 percent — were women.
Ring cut from living victim
Evidence showed McCarthy, who has exhausted her court appeals, phoned Booth to borrow a cup of sugar, then attacked Booth when she went to retrieve it. Booth was stabbed with a butcher knife, beaten with a large candle holder and robbed of a diamond wedding ring.
"(McCarthy) quite literally took the woman, put her left hand on a chopping block of the kitchen and then used a knife to sever her ring finger while she was still alive," said Greg Davis, the former Dallas County assistant district attorney who prosecuted McCarthy. "She took the ring from the finger that had been severed and continued the attack until she finally killed her."
Prosecutors showed McCarthy stole Booth's Mercedes and drove to Dallas, pawned the ring for $200 and then went to a crack house to buy some cocaine. Evidence also showed she used Booth's credit cards at a liquor store and was carrying Booth's driver's license.
Booth's DNA was found on a 10-inch butcher knife recovered from McCarthy's home. McCarthy was arrested after police found her name on a pawn shop receipt for the ring.
McCarthy was tried twice for Booth's slaying, most recently in 2002. Her first conviction in 1998 was thrown out three years later by the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals, which ruled police violated her rights by using a statement she made to them after asking for a lawyer.
Prosecutors presented DNA and fingerprint evidence that tied McCarthy to similar slayings of two other women in Dallas in December 1988. Maggie Harding, 81, was beaten with a meat tenderizer and stabbed.
Jettie Lucas, 85, was beaten with both sides of a claw hammer and stabbed. McCarthy was indicted but not tried for those slayings. She denied any involvement.
“When the jury saw the other two were equally gruesome, I think it sealed the deal for her," Davis said.
McCarthy is a former wife of Aaron Michaels, founder of the New Black Panther Party, and he testified on her behalf. They had separated before Booth's slaying.
McCarthy declined to speak with reporters as her execution date neared. She's one of 10 women on death row in Texas but the only one with an execution date.
In 1998, Karla Faye Tucker, 38, became the first woman executed in Texas since the Civil War for a robbery in Houston where two people were killed with a pickax.
At least eight male Texas prisoners have executions scheduled in the coming months.
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New York, California, Illinois, Michigan take notice this is what you do to convicted criminals. You put them to death instead of releasing them back on the streets to commit more crime and wonder why your crime rates are so high!
Given that for the past 35+ years one single US State out of 50, the State of Texas, has carried out just less than half of all of America's executions ( in other words, 1 state's executions almost equal to all 49 other states, combined ) doesn't this trend alone suggest an elevated capitol crime rate?
And doesn't this also suggest that even the aggressive application of the death penalty in Texas over the past 35+ years, contrary to the popular argument, isn't serving as an effective deterrent?
Robert,
It's not all about deterring...it's about justice for those who were killed and their families. If it serves as a deterrent...great!
Animals like this woman (animals come in ALL colors) forfeit their right to live when they treat innocent humans this way.
And if you're worried about deterrents...maybe the death penalty isn't a great deterrent, but I think it's a little better deterrent than life in prison.
Yeah Chicago had how many homicides last year in excess of 500! Right now they are at 40 Homicides this year one lady lost four of her kids to gun violence. Detroit and Flint are always in the top 10 list for most violent cities in America BTW how is that gun control working out for them? Oh yeah I forgot criminals don't follow the laws.
"...isn't serving as an effective deterrent?" ... where a gun would have, eh Bob? You'd rather coddle a triple-crown winner though.
In the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen: now lets just take this life like it was no bodied business at all............lets us not give no mind to her pain,no mind the to the pain and mental anguish that poor woman has suffered her whole life....God said bring us your poor week suffering masses.................Where the hell are all you GOD fearing Christians when your flock is needing you,to save the woman...Shame on you all, I Hope she saves room for all your unforgivinging souls ,and you know who you are. and you know who you are...RIP.
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So why is this news again? Texas puts violent and dangerous criminals to death all the time. Oh what's that? They haven't killed a woman in 3 years? So if it was a guy, it wouldn't be news? Oh. So why is this news?
Haven't you all just killed enough today or I beg your pardon or just WILLED it to happen , same thing in my minds eyes................
N.Sterling - Actually, what is usually done for first degree murder convictions in those states is to sentence them to life without parole.
I've no objections to Texas having and administering a death penalty, and this woman certainly deserves it. But with regard to crime rates, here is what the bureau of justice statistics relates for comparative, violent crime figures for Texas and the states you name:
Here're the figures for some other states:
So how come New York has a lower crime rate than Texas?
Why does Minnesota, a state without a death penalty have a markedly lower crime rate than Missouri, a similar-sized state which ranks 5th in the nation in the number of executions carried out since 1976?
btw: California has a death penalty and currently has over 700 inmates on death row.
This lady deserves to die! If she doesn't want to die, oh well, she shouldn't of been a killer herself. What do the liberals want for this lady? Life in prison? Why? Why waste money and resources on her for the rest of her life?
Do liberals want to reform her and let her back into society? Really??? It wasnt like it was an accident what she did....I dont even know if she really has any mental issues, but she sure had a crack issue.
I will say prayers for the victims she tortured and murdered.
I've read your post 4 times now, and I'm still not exactly sure what you are saying.
Apparently Christians are supposed to just forgive everyone, and free them from any punishment, even those who have murdered others in cold blood. Is this what you meant?
Also, God never said "bring us your poor week suffering masses".
I think you are referring to the inscription on the Statue of Liberty: "Give us your poor, tired, huddled masses..."
@dman A reason New York could have a lower crime rate than Texas is New York does not share a border with Mexico. Illegal immigrants have been coming across the border and committing crime's Mexican Cartel/MAFIA, MS-13 etc etc. Texas is way more harsher on crime and criminals than New York which seems to have revolving door policy! I believe in Capital Punishment too many convicted criminals are on death row that have been there for years sucking up tax dollars and keep exhausting appeals; if anything the rest of the states can learn something from Texas. BTW I know California has a death penalty the lethal injection they voted to keep it was on the ballot last year. As for the inmates on death row they are abusing the system keep filing for appeals when some know they are guilty as sin trying to get the sentence overturned. What do some do write books, hold interviews, make movies for what benefit that system is broken and the families are still waiting on justice! As for the Minnesota and Missouri that can be a number of factor's social economical background, demographics, population, employment etc etc. BTW people don't know how violent Juarez, Texas is.
God the Father clearly endorsed capital punishment by the government. He is unchanging and so this still applies. Jesus made it clear that as INDIVIDUALS we would be happier (blessed is the man=happier is the man) if we forgive those who do us wrong. It was not a commandment of his...just Godly advice. And He is right, it is punishment to live hating someone for a wrong they did to you...better to forgive them. But God made it VERY CLEAR that this forgiving does NOT apply to the government.
VICTORIA-1632092...(#1.5)..."Where the hell are all you GOD fearing Christians when your flock is needing you,to save the woman...Shame on you all "....
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If you're going to play the God fearing Christian Card, perhaps you should know what the Bible says about Capital Punishment...
Let's take a trip back to Jerusalem, circa 33 A.D.....Jerusalem was under Roman rule. The Hebrews were forbidden to carry out Death sentences proscribed by Hebrew Law. Jesus was convicted of Heresy / Blasphemy by the Elders....Punishable by Death. They had to turn to the Romans to carry out the Sentence....
At Golgatha, Jesus was being crucified with 2 other condemed criminals....
"39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse
at Him, saying, "Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!" 40 But the other answered, and
rebuking him said, "Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same
sentence of condemnation? 41 "And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving
what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong."
42 And he was
saying, "Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!" 43 And He said to him, "Truly I
say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise." ----Luke 23:39-43"
So, you see, God allows for Capital Punishment, as proscribed by Governments. Forgiveness comes from repentance, but doesn't negate the Earthly punishment....
Maybe that will clear up why Christians can oppose Abortion and not be opposed to Capital Punishment.
The 6th. Commandment doesn't say "Thou shalt not KILL"....It says " Thou shalt not MURDER"
Horrible situation. I am sorry for this woman and her innocent viictims. I am saddened by loss of life, however, if ever there was a use for Capital Punishment, this is a case for it. Whatever the excuse, society can not allow individuals to murder. Forgiveness is not at issue here.
Holy Guacamole! This B**** really likes to kill with her hands doesn't she! Meat tenderizer? Candlesticks? Sounds like a game of Clue! All for some crack...
*On another note...since when can a jury be given evidence of a defendants past crimes? Thought that was illegal.
Famous,
I was thinking the exact same thing when I read it. I thought "technically" that you can only be tried for one crime at a time if they're not directly related.
Why would they bring race into this when we're "all" human beings whether you're the victim or the criminal?!
I can understand a racially motivated hate crime but this crime was all about drug money. Strange...
Prisoners should clean our streets, cut the grass, repair housing, separate trash, clear lands, rebuild homes and other things that is cost efficient for the public. Hell make them run on a treadmill for electricity.
Well..from experience, I was on a jury years ago, and only AFTER we reached the verdict where we given information about "other behavior" of the defendant. I was devastated, but that's our lovely justice system. Only the current case matters. So why were they all told about her earlier convictions? Weird.
jrsquid -
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes and hell yes.
Good Idea. I laughed my ass of at the treadmill part. That was funny as hell man. LOL
The only problem with your idea is there are reasons they are not fixing houses etc...
They cannot let them into housing areas for safety reasons. This is why you will see them on the sides of highways cleaning up.
They cannot let criminals have "tools" in their hands for obvious safeety reasons since they could hide them and get back into the van or bus with them. Then, who knows what the hell could happen from there.
As for clearing land, not a bad idea but if you ask me, they'll purposely injure themselves and sue the county or state.
All in all, you do have a good idea. Again, the treadmill thing totally cracked my up man!
I don't care about anyone else's sexual preferences but to put an openly gay avatar pic up there in plain site for all to see as you did, makes my cringe. Ugh....
@FamousAmos-3755959, From the article, it is unclear when they presented the evidence of the additional murders, but I would assume that it was only during the sentencing phase, which has a lower burden of proof, and relaxed rules.
Creekdog, her previous record was brought out in the penalty phase, not the actual trial. She was indicted but not tried for those two murders. That I think was a crime in itself.
The article stated;
Just saying..when I was on a jury, through the entire case AS WELL AS the verdict, we were only given information pertaining to the current situation. Only after the entire thing was over, and everyone went home, did the judge come in and tell us some extra not-so-great stuff. And that was only a case regarding a car accident, not murders!
She shouldn't have been allowed to live this long. I hope they inject her slowly.
If she was found guilty without a doubt then she should have already been executed. Why do we sit on these people, paying for them to stay in prison for so many years?
If you can't pay the price for the crime do commit it. The price for murder is the death penalty.
Ah, yes, Sterling, New York City, in which a third of the population of New York State lives, has no problem with immigrant populations, right? Or drugs?
If you look at the figures for both states over the last 20 years, you see that New York State had a markedly higher violent crime rate than Texas in 1991:
So you say. But you provide nothing by way of proof. In fact New York has both a lower violent crime rate and a lower rate and a lower incarceration rate, 37th overall (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_by_incarceration_rate). Most law enforcement experts attribute it to efforts at better crime prevention, by putting more police on the street, and patrolling the hot spots.
Lower crime rate and a lower incarceration rate. I don't have a problem with that. I'm not sure why you do.
There's always a reason, sport. There are also other reasons why a state like Michigan might have a higher murder rate than Texas, such as the shrinking auto industry, and the gradual implosion of Detroit. But all you see is the lack of capital punishment. I think the figures I've posted show this have very little to do with crime rates. Texas has virtually the same crime rates as California, and only slightly higher rates than Michigan and Illinois. New York has a slightly lower rate.
Ah, for Christ's sake. by the 2000 census, it is a "city" of 1600 people. Precisely how much could crime in Juarez skew the crime rates for a state of over 20 million people?
She is NOT the first woman to be executed she is the NEXT woman.
All I can say is get in line, violent crime should not be prejudiced.
jrsquid- a country sometime ago started just what you said about the treadmill thing, altho I forget which country it was.
also the way I read this story, this woman thinks that she is getting all this punishment because she is black
Good grief!
"McCarthy, who is black, was condemned for the July 1997 killing of neighbor." "All but one of McCarthy's jurors were white."
Wow, they really want to make this a race thing. This woman has killed at least 3 times for a few hundred dollars to support her crack habit. Can you just imagine someone beating and stabbing you to death, then taking the time to cut off your finger to get your ring while you're still alive and then continuing to murder you? The only reason to make this about race is if this is a common and accepted thing for a race to do. She couldn't help it... it is inherent to her race.
i wonder how many innocent people Texas killed they would kill anyone , reminds me of some 3rd world country setting example
Put it this way, every person that the criminals killed, were innocent.
dman-353357, uh sorry to break the news to you, but Minnesota is NOT similar in size to Texas. In fact, Texas is the largest state in the continental US. The only state larger is Alaska.
dman-353357, don't forget...New York state also has a stricter law concerning guns. Texas let's everyone and anyone carry a gun. But I am sure Texas will argue that guns don't kill. (Hmmm, the last I checked, guns were manufactured for "killing".) Texas also would not hesitate to put an innocent person to death. They are the one state that DNA has proved more innocent people have been put to death than any other state. How is that for justice in Texas?!?!
Your source for this "fact", or is that asking too much, myname?
Actually, according to this source (http://www.statemaster.com/graph/peo_est_num_of_ill_imm-people-estimated-number-illegal-immigrants), New York State has approximately half as many illegal immigrants than Texas. But number 1 is California, with twice as many as Texas. Yet it has virtually the same rates for violent crime and murder.
The crime rate is most closely tied to the competency of the local and state law enforcement, not to the death penalty.
Way down on the illegal immigration list is Louisiana, at number 41, and it has the death penalty on the books. Yet its rate of violent crime (555.3) is almost half again the rate of New York, where, according to N.Serling, criminals are coddled.
You only hear what you want to hear, myname, but facts are facts, and they don't support your theories, or N.Serling's.
You take a life you pay with yours. Lets not forget Mr Holmes is still walking around. If every state did this everyday these people would think twice about killing someone.They try their sneaky trick to compare us with other countries about crimerate,but ask them how they handle their criminals.
" All but one of McCarthy's jurors were white."
Do you think we would have seen an irrelevant comment like this if the convicted murderer had been white?
I think that Texas should have a new State Motto, "THe Execution State", and put this motto on its license plates,with Texas Pride...yahoo.
Texass was created by lawbreakers...caucasian Americans were stupidly invited into Mexico by the Mexican government which wanted to develop its state of "Tejas"....in inviting American settlers, they made the Americans swear an oath to their new country, effectively becoming Mexicans and thereby renouncing their American citizenship.
Another stipulation of admittance into Mexico,was that they pledge to obey Mexican laws, which included a prohibition against slavery. However tens of thousands of American settlers into Mexico, brought their Black slaves with them,thereby breaking the law.
The government attempted to sanction the criminal Americans who did this, but these Americans wanted to own people,so they renounced their Mexican citizenship and created a revolution inside the Mexican state of Tejas....the government had to put down this revolution and sent General Santana and a Mexican army group to deal with the illegal insurrection in San Antonio....
This is where the Alamo is located, and these days, Texans still celebrate this "War" , fought by American criminals,which broke the laws against ownership of people....
ohhhh you mean someone was actually killed by a person and not by a gun ? WOW!!! I thought guns killed people instead of people killing people?
btw How is that ban on guns working out?
Oh wait a sec.. no gun was used here.. hmmm interesting
lots of innocent people in prison too
She murdered an elderly man strike 1, she is linked to two other similar murders strike 2, her husband was a member of the black panthers strike 3. I am suprised Texas took so long. They have the right person in this case.......
I am a Christian and I believe in an eye for an eye.
I have no sympathy for this woman. Yes, she may have had a bad childhood, but so have so many of the rest of us, and we don't become murderers. Sorry, I just don't buy that crap as an excuse or a defense.
She's an adult. There comes a time in your life that you have to stop blaming others for what you do wrong.
May God have Mercy on her soul.
Thank you, MSN, for the article pointing out that her jury was all white except for one. It has significant bearing on her innocence, and crimes she was accused of. (sarc) You should be fined for even hinting at the possibility her conviction was race related.
crackalack'n at its finest...
She was married to the new black panther founder when the previous two homicides occured from the info in the article. While MSN is quick to point out that the culprit is black, and the jury was all white with one black MSN couldn't tell us the color of the three homicide victims. It could be she is also quilty of hate crimes.....oh wait my bad I forgot only whites are ever guilty of hate crimes. CRACK kills before, during, and after its use. Crack needs to be banned.
Anyone still religious? Good, if God didn't want executions to take place he would stop them. Anyone not religioous? Good, Killing these criminals is saving you a ton of money and making your life safer. Anyone a bleeding heart liberal who thinks the killers deserve a second chance? Who cares, your opinion doesn't matter.
I wonder how many of those "white" members of the jury were actually Latino. The liberal media plays games with Hispanics as in referring to them as Non-caucasian whites when it serves their purposes.
While the death penalty is certainly not a deterrant, it will certainly stop THIS murderer from ever killing again.
Why does the left oppose the execution of murderers & condone the murder of 54,000,000 innocent children?
The bigger question here is does ones actions while in the throws of addiction, (which is classified as an illness), make them 100% reasonable about their actions?
Would this person have the propensity to kill without addiction in the picture?
Just a few questios...I'm not coming down on one side or the other.
There's no way to quantify how many murders may have been averted because someone decided, "Hmmm. I'd really like to kill someone today but I don't want to get the death penalty if I get caught. If its just life in prison, I guess I'd take that chance." We also don't know how many are suicidal and want to take someone down with them before they are executed. Or how many just don't care.
I do not understand why so many of you lump forgiveness and punishment together. They are completely different things. Forgiving someone does not mean you can't expect them to pay a full measure for their crimes.
Victoria:
"lets us not give no mind to her pain,no mind the to the pain and mental anguish that poor woman has suffered her whole life"
WHAT? You know this woman? You know the pain and mental anguish she suffered? And is that REALLY an excuse? I've had my fair share of pain and mental anguish, does that mean I should get unlimited free passes?
Dman:
I don't think you're taking into consideration three things. One, The amount of drugs that get trafficked through Texas from Mexico. Two, the fact that Houston is the sex trafficking capitol of the country. MANY MANY young girls travel though Texas, to and from Mexico. Both of these things will bring a lot of crime on their own. Drug lords and sex traffickers are ruthless and care for nothing but their business', and they're in the business of crime.
Third, Texas has more large cities than NY. Texas has 3 in the top ten (5 in the top 16), New York only has New York City (not a single other city in the nation's most populated 50). As we all know, crime is concentrated in large cities.
Julianne,
No, guns are made for shooting projectiles.
Cars are made for transportation.
Both can be misused and can kill another.
I see there are those of you that think.
1. There is no accountability within my statement....you'd be wrong. (reasonable actions & responsible actions are two different things)
2. Your not informed about addiction as a illness & you view it as sort of personal short fall (Is there anyone you know or in your family addicted to drugs or alcohol?).
ad·dic·tion
Where does it say in the meaning of the word it is a weakness? It is a defined illness.
...kinda explains a lot...
myname123
1.drug dependence: a state of physiological or psychological dependence on a
potentially harmful drug.
Excuse me?
As a Recovery Specialist in a hospital setting myself at one time, I have to call you out on this. It is a defined illness.
people like you are in denial of the disease of addiction.
ComradeChaos
There wasn't any real value in that part of the story, other than sensationalizing the "New Black Panther Party", because it invokes strong feelings.
Famous Amos--Holy Guacamole! This B**** really likes to kill with her hands doesn't she! Meat tenderizer? Candlesticks? Sounds like a game of Clue! All for some crack...
OMG! Hysterical! Sounds like a game of Clue! lol
This is a fallacy. Have you ever even been to Chicago?? If there weren't strict gun laws there the carnage would be even worse. They have strict gun laws because of the violence not the other way around. I think you know that though. What does this have to do with the story anyway. She didn't even use a gun.
(reasonable actions & responsible actions are two different things)
I never implied that this person was not responsible nor any other person that is an addict/alcoholic.
Myname123---that's only to a certain extent man....no offense but you dont have a history of being or knowing anyone with an addiction do you? It by NO MEANS makes ANY behavior excusable because they still DO know right from wrong BUT it's not always an accountability/responsibility thing when it comes to them feeling the need for it. the drugs that is
Creek Dog:
Because it's MSN... got to stir up the hate!
Steve,
"The bigger question here is does ones actions while in the throws of addiction, (which is classified as an illness), make them 100% reasonable about their actions?
Would this person have the propensity to kill without addiction in the picture?
Just a few questios...I'm not coming down on one side or the other."
First of all this is a very good question. Science isn’t there yet to answer how much is nature vs. environment. I heard there are scientist trying to study behavior and genetic relationship. There are so many variables that they aren’t anywhere close.
In this case, I side with the state. The death penalty is there to eliminate humans that are extremely dangerous to others. They didn’t find her insane and she doesn’t appear to be mentally ill. There are some
people that really have no problem taking a life.
In the event that Texas requires a volunteer to start the IV and administer the lethal injection to this animal, please let me know. I'll do it at no cost to the State.
Here's the deal: I'm a black man and if the evidence presented to me was overwhelming and legally gathered, I would have voted for this woman to get the death penalty 3 times over. Black, white, hispanic, asian, whatever, if you murder someone then you've forfeited your life (either for prison or death row) in my book.
Steve,
"1.drug dependence: a state of physiological or psychological dependence on a
potentially harmful drug.
Excuse me?
As a Recovery Specialist in a hospital setting myself at one time, I have to call you out on this. It is a defined illness.
people like you are in denial of the disease of addiction.
ComradeChaos
There wasn't any real value in that part of the story, other than sensationalizing the "New Black Panther Party", because it invokes strong feelings."
Thanks for the input. Not all drug addicts are willing to take a life. The question is could a person that does this be reformed? If there is any uncertainty then I understand why the state would take this action. Could her DNA be given to science to study???
Gossamer Wings
Thank You.
That is exactly where I was going with this.
It has become way to easy for some to dismiss a life based on feelings invoked because of action, and not weigh the other questions involved.
Given my statements one might think that I am not for her execution....You would be wrong.
Maybe if they started executing drunk drivers that habitually go drink & drive and kill someone in the process it would curb that behavior....But for some reason the punishment is not equal.
Hey! Someone repeated my treadmill idea! I've advocated gerbil wheels hooked up to generators for prisoners, too! ;-)
Except that I don't want that for this woman, jrsquid. She sounds like an absolute horror! I don't have any sympathy for her. A serial killer using her femaleness to disarm. Good riddance.
myname123:
There are many mental illnesses out there where the person with the illness often takes drugs or alcohol. One of the illnesses is Bipolar disorder.
"All but one of McCarthy's jurors were white."
This is why it's news. They want to make it a racial issue instead of a gruesome brutal murdering woman issue.
MyName, Drug and Alcohol addictions are recognized as a disease by the AMA. If it was not insurance would not pay for the billions Americans get in treatment each year. Disease can also mean Dis-Ease with ones self mentally and physically..........
Can't wait to hear the cries of Racism because she is black. BTW CHicago had 7 shot and killed over this past weekend, thier super tough gun laws work real well. NOT
THe law abiding citizens in a lot of areas just hide in thier houses after dark.
myname123
You are in denial.....Maybe it is because you yourself are addicted to something and choose not to acknowledge it as an illness.
You loose all creditability with any statement which is known to be fact, with fiction.
The only reason I can see to mention race is to maybe point out that defendants have a right to be tried by a jury of their pears.
I wonder how many appeals the victim got before her sentence was carried out by her self-appointed judge, jury and executioner McCarthy?
First of all DNA is as fool proof as it gets. The fact that this victim was white and the accused black does not lessen the gravity of the crime on the basis of race. They found the DNA evidence in the presence of the convicted's home! How much more does it take? As a person of mixed decent, I face the interpretation that I am black, not mixed. I am very experienced in being discriminated against on a personal and public level, even in this day and age. However, while real discrimination persists as one of America's vital most challenging issues, slick willy maneuvers such as this are an embarrassment to the good fight for racial unity. Playing the race card to get a convicted, crack addict murderer off the hook for personal responsibility is in fact equating her as a black person incapable of the logic and reason that distinguishes man from beasts of the field. Please, lawyers, find a new defence.
Who cares! No one is going to miss her. Flip the switch already!
Even better. Beat her with a blunt object like she did her victims.
Let her sit there and think about being beat to death.
How's that for a "Liberal" as we're called!?
Steve,
I agree with Comrade. What part of her being the former wife of the Black Panther Leader don't you understand about her actions?!
Why don't you do more posting on the actual story rather than scroll around and try to correct everybody as "you" see fit.
I do give my opinion of other posts here and there but, if I look around, it seems you're "everywhere". No pun, just advice...
And back off of 123. You're accusing someone of being a drug addict and you have no idea who that person even is. You're offending them in front of everyone. We don't go around saying you're gay... We accept you and everyone else as they are...
Also,
Peers... It's not a fruit... Did I just say that?!
MyName, Denial is not a river in Egypt and you got it bad. Time to stop trying to convince you and wish you well........
Creek Dog
Ok why I see fit is because I represent David Hillard I book his lectures. (FYI Mr Hillard is one of the founding members of the BPP) Any misinformation about the Black Panther Party is my business.
mu
Spelling errors do occur right?
This woman will always be a threat to society and she killed three people that the courts know about. There might be more victims unknown!I say the death penalty is too good...but it is the best we have to offer right now. It beats paying for her to stay in prison another 30 years and parole could never be an option for somone like this...its disgusting to know that humans can be worst than animal predators...sickening!
Steve,
Yeah they do but when you have time to fix things, take advantage because you only have 5 minutes.
Try again... "or" is it too late and your 5 minutes is up? Actually, if you work things out correctly, you can get 10 minutes out of it...
Don't be in denial....
Later!
Victoria - Believe me, I know you've got to be trolling just for the fun of it, but let's just assume for a moment that you are serious: Frankly, we'd rather 'give mind to' the pain and mental anguish she's caused other.
Are you really suggesting that 'someone's troubled life' should give them license to commit these kinds of acts with impunity?
Secondly, you forget to take into account that she gave no mind to the pain of those 'poor people' suffered by her horrific actions.
The Choice was hers and she made it. Dorothy Booth wasn't offered the luxury of choice.
dman-353357,
You said California has a high crime rate even though it has the death penalty? Well guess what, Im from Cali, and we all pretty much know its just for show. We hardly execute anyone ever in California, so criminals simply do not care about it.
And notice how MSN only puts race if they are trying to say white are racist. A group of black boys beat a white man, and its just a group of boys. A black woman kills a white woman, and they dont mention the victims race, just that most of her jury was white. Oh yeah, the lawyers pick the jurors, so its a moot point. Honestly, if anyone can read a days worth of news from NBC, ABC, CNN, etc and not see that our news is so slanted to the left that things are falling off the table, they are just willfully ignorant. They also dont comment that women are hardly ever put to death. Must not fit with their feminist goals either.
myname123
Some people do..... some people don't.... so what... next.......
Creek Dog
I work in-between my posts here....Which means I switch between screens, not that I have to justify what I'm doing....Just thought you should know.
She is a really nice person. She was turning her life around. (Standard response from the friends of scum like this)
@VICTORIA-1632092:
"Where the hell are all you GOD fearing Christians when your flock is needing you,to save the woman...Shame on you all, I Hope she saves room for all your unforgivinging souls ,and you know who you are. and you know who you are...RIP."
Wow! - I really don't know where to begin with your post. One would suspect the "GOD fearing Christians" to be praying for this woman (possibly, ministered to locally). Prayers that, hopefully, she's turned to the Lord...Seen the error of her own ways and repents with a sincere heart. That even in death, the Lord sees grace, mercy, and favor. BUT...Understanding that only He is able to do this - see into the very depths of our hearts.
It seems you've already condemned her by "I Hope she saves room for all your unforgivinging souls". (A bit contradictory of your entire post, IMO) You can't forgive what hasn't been done to you...Only God can. If He could do it for the thief on the cross, then He could do for the next sinner, right? A lot of so-called Christians are quick to be self-righteous and sentence someone else to Hell. That's not our job. Ultimately, we all have to stand in judgement before the same God.
Also, read Romans 13. If you think about...God is the original author of law & order. Passed down through countless generations, well into the Roman era and into this very day & age. Yes, He asks of us to obey His commandments out of love for Him. But, as His creation placed on this earth, we have an obligation to obey the law of the land and do our part within society. In simple terms...Don't do the crime, if you can't do the time. Do what is right and you'll have no need to be afraid of authority.
Steve,
Me too and that's what I figured. mu!
If you actually take 4 minutes and 55 second or so to check things out at the very beginning "then" hit "Need to Fix Anything" You'll get another 5 minutes out of it but, if you click out after the very first 5 minutes are up, you're out and it's all over.
It's about gender equality....Execute the man, then you need to execute the women. If you step up to murder, I don't care you are...race, gender, sexual preference...Be prepared to die for your crimes.
Every time a criminal gets executed, America becomes a better place. Too bad we're so slow at it.
I wonder if you read the whole article! HER PAIN! HER MENTAL ANGUISH! What part of the torture and pain she inflicted on this 71 year old woman who was being kind enough to help her?
"(McCarthy) quite literally took the woman, put her left hand on a chopping block of the kitchen and then used a knife to sever her ring finger while she was still alive," said Greg Davis, the former Dallas County assistant district attorney who prosecuted McCarthy. "She took the ring from the finger that had been severed and continued the attack until she finally killed her."
Oh, and let us not forget what she did to the other two women. Let me remind you.....
"Maggie Harding, 81, was beaten with a meat tenderizer and stabbed. Jettie Lucas, 85, was beaten with both sides of a claw hammer and stabbed. McCarthy was indicted but not tried for those slayings."
DNA proved her guilty on those two counts. Next time, read the whole article and place it in your imagination what pain and suffering these women endured before going home to God!
She is an animal and needs to be put down as an animal is put down! Only problem is her way of leaving this life is going to be much more humane then what she inflicted on her victims!
Too late when the phone rings and I have to switch screens is the problem most of the time for me. Times up before I can do anything about it.....Sometimes you just have to let it go.
"All but one of McCarthy's jurors were white."
Had to point that out, huh, msnbc?
Bunch of liberal, race-baiting morons...
Just to help clarify a little. In Texas, a criminal trial is a biforcated process. The first part of the trial is to determine guilt or innocence. The second part of the trial is to determine the punishment. If a defendant is found not guilty, then the trial will never proceed to the second part, or the penalty phase. The rules of evidence prohibit, with very limited exceptions, all prior acts of bad conduct (in this case the 2 prior murders) when determining guilt or innocence because it is not relevant to whether or not the defendant committed the offense for which he/she is currently being tried. Prior bad acts, in general, are not facts relevant to determining the guilt in the offense being tried. Just because someone committed a prior "murder", for example, doesn't mean that person is guilty of committing this murder. Each trial must be supported by its own set of facts. If a prosecutor tries to admit such evidence without first obtaining a determination from the court as to its relevance, the result most likely will be a mistrial and possible prosecutorial misconduct. This is one of the myriad reasons for so many pre-trial motions, issues that are determined by the Court before trial begins.
If the defendant, in fact, is found guilty, then the trial progresses to the next phase, or the penalty phase wherein evidence of prior bad acts is allowed to determine the amount of punishment that should be given. So, if this is the first time someone has been convicted and has no history of prior bad conduct, a lower penalty could be assessed. However, if after conviction it comes out that this person has continuously engaged in bad acts, it can and usually will affect the amount of punishment given since it can be reasonably inferred that this person has a propensity for unlawful behavior.
When you put the letter "D" in front of the word "evil", what do you get?
One extra crispy - crunchy, dead bitch!
C U Next Tuesday!
As far as addiction having anything to do with this case, i dont think it does. My best friend is addicted to alchohol, been to jail 2 times for drunk driving. Now say he killed someone while drunk driving (obviously an accident for he didnt purposefully go out wanting to kill someone) If he did, i would hold him responsible and would not disagree if he got the death penalty. I am not a bleeding heart, i am not a hypocryte, YOU are responsible for your actions. Addictions are not an excuse.
As for the whole Christians should forgive blah blah blah. I am a Christian and while reading this article i was asking myself.... why isnt this low life dead yet? And to the lady that suggested all killing is doing wrong by God.... are you insinuating that that me and every other Christian in the army is going to hell? God blessed armies in the bible, in fact on more then one occasion I belive he told one faction to go wipe out another faction. I would look it up but I think it would fall on deaf ears.
Any way, give me a gun (or let me use my own) and i will save you all thousands (hell probably millions) of dollars and just erase these convicted murderers from the planet.
so since 1976, 12 women executed, 1,309 men executed. Talk about sex discrimination, shes crying RACE?, i would tell her to go lay down, but that will come soon enough, yet way too late.
It's good to see Texas practicing both racial and gender equal opportunity.
I do not believe in Capitol punishment. There is always a chance someone might be innocent but even more importantly, I would think, spending the rest of your entire life, in jail would be a far worse punishment, then execution. Also, anyone who deliberately takes the life of another human being is crazy! The "insanity plea" should be removed from the table.
As for this "woman", her sex should not matter. If she was convicted and proved guilty, then she should be executed. Like I said, I would think it far worse, to live the rest of ones life in jail, than to be executed. It is the easy way out! Yes, the easy way out!
Emery Evans
I think the story said she had exhausted all of her appeals, thus she can't plead race at this time.
Judy The Ornery
A lawyer I worked with told me one time that an insanity plea was a perfectly ply-able defense because sane people don't kill...only insane people do, but does that rise to the definition as augured under the law.
We need to put to death more violent criminals and kill them sooner. That's less criminals the tax payers have to baby sit.
Steve-
You are the biggest windbag I've seen too date. A real renaissance man, huh? A "Recovery Specialist" so you're an expert on all things addiction related and now you book engagements for a "Mr. Hillard" (which by the way, you spelled David Hilliard's name incorrectly, seeing as how you book for the guy, I think you'd know better than that...see how it works?) You perform vascular surgery in your spare time right?
Umm Judy... the problem with your thinking is... are you willing to give your entire paycheck so this lowlife can spend the rest of her days in prison? Cause i believe in the death penalty, I dont want to pay for her to live
So if you could kindly pay my part of the taxes used to keep her and all the other scum alive, i wont argue one bit for keeping them alive as long as you see fit.
If women are equal enough to die in combat then they should also be equal enough to die on death row. What's really sad is that her attorney's actually would appeal based on race. From the article:
Not only was she a heartless killer, but she also was a STUPID one. Pawning the lady's ring and signing your own name to it?! I am sorry, but if there was ever a person (man or woman) who deserves to be put to death, this is the one.
stayoutamine
Ah yes....another one. You don't even have the slightest clue as to my resume or my degrees. I do type fast and sometimes misspell words.....No apologies for being human here.
I think the rules on newsvine are one of no personal attacks....That can get you suspended for a day if not have your ISP blocked from ever posting if it continues.
If you want to debate the issues...please feel free to...That is what this is about.
( If you think I might be fibbing & misrepresenting myself in any way please feel free to contact the Huey P. Newton Foundation...Write David and ask him if he knows me (Steve Smith) & the work I do for them).
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
What a fantastic argument that is! Lets see...
If god didn't want murders to take place, he would stop them.
If god didn't want abortions to take place, he would stop them.
If god didn't want divorces to happen, he would stop them.
I could play this game all day!
what kind of a lawyer would take on a case defending this turd woman? can we try him/her for the death penalty too? absolutely disgusting
By even stating this, there is an implication that the verdict of juries is based on race of the defendant versus the makeup of the race of the jury individuals.
If that is the case, trials are a farce and the race/identity of a defendant should be secret until after a verdict is rendered.
This race card has become the Joker in the deck whenever a hand of Justice is being played and it's mighty damn worn out. We need a new game.
As for the death penalty.... if Susan Smith could get by without being executed, and the monster who killed the little boy and then ate him could spend some time in prison and then be paroled, it seems anyone could. Instead of overhauling immigration, we need to overhaul the damn "justice" system.
The race card has been OVER USED the last four years and continues to be used more and more and more. Get over it.
dman, you have with your statistics broached the elephant issue in the room. Can you cite those statistics and include demographics? Who is committing most of the violent crimes?
liam, please review your Texas history more carefully. The Mexican Constitution was changed in 1835, and its changes incited citizens throughout Mexico. Not just in Texas. There were other reasons, but I'm sure you'll do the research diligently and come to the truth. /sarcasm
Julieann, please cite specific cases of executed people who have been 1. exonerated post humously by DNA evidence and 2. when DNA technology and evidence were available at the time of justice served, in Texas?
mindya, everyone deserves a fair trial and a zealous defense. It is a "self-evident" and inalienable human right.
Steve
You sound like a guy who does not need me to defend you, I also am a terrible typist. That being said, I worked in an operating room for most of my career. I have seen the results of "attempted" murder victims and those who died post surgery. I wish I could erase the sights, sounds, smells and feelings out of my mind. Anyone who could do such things to another human being is insane. I am not a lawyer but I do believe people who kill or injure, should be left to die a slow death, in prison. for the poster who took umbrage to my beliefs and wants me to pay the taxes, for keeping these people behind bars, might want to talk to officers who work in prisons.
Many times, the prison guards have difficulty coping with the death of prisoners, even though they deserve to die. I have been told that by my nephew who is a prison guard.
The death penalty is a difficult decision to make, for a juror, I would think. But to be honest, if it were my loved one, who was the victim, I most likely would be able to inject the deadly dose myself. I hope and pray, I never find out.
And you sound like a very intelligent guy Steve. Just mind your Ps and Qs. It appears to tick people off. (Excuse the preposition.)
This woman should never be allowed to be out in the streets again. It's clear she's a threat to society or anyone around her, even other prisoners. If it's not the death penaly then it's life in prison, which means supported by everyone who works. I don't mind paying my taxes to support programs that help people, but to support crackheads like this? No way!
I believe in God, but I don't feel sorry for this woman at all. I feel sorry for the college professor, who went to college, held a job until she retired, just to die a horrible death at the hands of this crackhead.
In this case, the woman is guilty, but....
Are you people aware that when a defendant is using a court appointed attorney, that it is up to the judge presiding over the trial whether or not money will be allocated by the State to test DNA evidence?
If the Prosecutor feels the DNA testing will go against his case and doesn't want to do any testing, and the judge doesn't want to allocate any funds for the defense to have any testing done, and the defendant is indigent and can't afford the testing, the DNA evidence sits in the evidence room as useless as a DO NOT CROSS sign at the border.
And that is how innocent people end up in prison so that a District Attorney can have a great "win" record that will propel him into a Congressman or Senator's seat, or a judge's chair.
Class dismissed.
Is a pear anything like a peer? So there should be murderers on the jury Steve? This "race card" is just to delay the execution, earn more tax-payer money. Maybe we should have all jurors blindfolded? And have her responses parroted in a proper English accent? (Damn shame the electric chair is out of commission) Maybe beat her as she murdered the victim? Nah, that would be revenge, so just snuff her!!
Steve-3564331 asked:
"The bigger question here is does ones actions while in the throws of addiction....."
Answer: Not while in the "throws" of addiction, but perhaps while in the throes.
Steve-3564331 said:
"You are in denial.....Maybe it is because you yourself are addicted to something and choose not to acknowledge it as an illness".
Correct, it is an illness. But addiction is a self-inflicted illness. Drinking/smoking/injecting poison (which is what drugs are) is a conscious and willful act and therefore you are responsible for your actions both during and after using. Same as a person who drives drunk and kills someone. You may have been out of your mind when it happened, but you knew what you were doing when you drove to the bar and started ordering drink after drink after drink. If you brought it on yourself as this lady did, then off to ol' sparky with ya and Godspeed.
I'm against the death penalty because it has been proven not to deter criminals, it's administered prejudicially, and it's wrong for the state to take a life, especially considering that the convicted criminal might be innocent.
In the case of this woman, innocence is not an issue. She is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt and this is not her first offense.
She should--as should ALL convicted murderers--spend the rest of her life behind bars. It costs the taxpayers less to house a murderer than it does to execute one.
She seems beyond redemption and remorse, but many murderers are capable of reaching an understanding of their guilt and of feeling remorse for it. We should keep them alive to give tham that opportunity. Execution does not bring back the victim, and it does nothing to stop murder in general.
The fact that her jury was comprised mostly of whites does not seem a valid reason to overturn her conviction.
Were all 3 of these senior citizens also white? I bet they were and I think the NAACP is a racist wing of the democratic party always throwing their race card and expecting others to pretend that a black killing 3 whites had nothing to do with race.
They should have no credibility although they are 350,000 members, instead the democrats and the Main Stream Media stand facts on their head and declare that the 4.5 million law abiding members of the NRA are extremists.
guilty - black woman killing a white woman - wants out due to racial issues - i think maybe this is a hate crime - just as much proof - since we are slinging stuff against the wall to see if it sticks. what she did was dispicable - needing drugs or not - claiming drug addictions are an illness or not - a crime is a crime. no getting out of this - she should have paid the price already.
Though I don't condone any type of crime, I'm not sure about the "eye for an eye" policy. This policy would come with consequences that surely most of us in the U.S. would reject. On the other hand, victims deserve justice and we look towards the innocent. When placing ourselves in place of the victim's family, it's a normal reaction to seek "justice" aka revenge in these cases. No one has the right to take anyone else's life before its time.
When the News Media constantly reminds us of the fact that all over the U.S. murders are committed (some times horrific murders) and perpetrators just go to prison to serve a sentence- some of them life-long criminals -a question arises. Because every now and then, someone probably with no criminal record commits a murder and gets the death penalty. What's wrong with this picture? Maybe it all depends on present location, where the crime is committed. Is this a fair legal system to encompass a nation? Oh well, this will be our multifaceted standard for probably many years.
On this particular case, if you're honestly worried about the cash savings for taxpayers here, don't be. Sixteen years on death roll plus execution and fees, will be a lot more expensive for taxpayers than life in prison. Can't believe it? Do your own online research.
UpstateNY - I don't think the NAACP is even touching this case though. The article quoted a statistic from them but no word on representatives actively getting involved. You can't really rationally put the blame on an organization that isn't trying to help her out. Plus I don't think there's any question of whether or not she did the crime. It's a question of how fair was her trial - which I think is a pretty valid concern if the jury may have been biased or not diverse enough.
InMyDay - I'm well aware of everyone's constitutional right to a fair trial but she's had her day in court and is just wasting time and money now. Nothing in the constitution says she has the right to appeal after appeal to stall her punishment.
liberals ruin the country again. now she is getting a reprieve because her jury was mostly white. even in texas the liberal virus is spreading.
"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." MLK
I was anti-capital punishment until I worked at our State Supreme Court years ago, and saw the capital murder cases that came across my desk.
Some of them were so heinous and gruesome, complete with photos and overwhelming evidence, it completely changed my mind about punishment for the perpetrators. Many of these murderers are sentenced to life in prison, only to go on and kill prison guards and other inmates. They know they have nothing more to lose.
In certain cases where their is little or no doubt, and the crime is especially violent and abhorrent, and the accused has been convicted or suspected of other heinous crimes (like this woman), then I believe capital punishment is appropriate whether it is a deterrent or not.
I see the other "Janine" is out there today. Hi Janine!
Anyway, Robert in Oregon, if we want to deter heinous crime, we wouldn't be just putting people to sleep as a means of execution. We would bring back the gas chamber or the electric chair--you know, those scary things that people do NOT want have to face!
delfairchild - don't pimp out mlk's message on this garbage trial. The jury could have had black spouses and been members of the black panthers themselves but they still would have ruled that she was guilty because she was. their prejudice or lackthereof is not important when she is clearly guilty.
I want to support the death penalty. I don't support it because I know that the cost of the mandatory appeals on the taxpayer is FAR GREATER than keeping a person in prison for the rest of their life.
So... to all the people who think Capital Punishment saves taxpayers money... show me the savings. Show me where the cost of the appeals is cheaper than a lifetime of incarceration, and I'll hand in my "Anti-Death Penalty" card and sign for up for a "Pro-Death Penalty" card.
Ya see, I don't care about murderers at all. Keeping them behind bars vs killing them? I couldn't care less! Both are severe punishments. As a taxpayer, let me ask... which method is cheaper for the taxpayer?
That's the method I support... the method that is cheaper. All recent studies point to a lifetime of incarceration. Lawyers ain't cheap!
the death penalty isnt supposed to be a deterrent its supposed to be justice.justice would be if someone chopped off her fingers and beat her to death a week after she was convicted.what has being black got to do with anything
Delfairchild 1968594,
Your comment is a disservice to MLK's speech. It is sad that you don't understand what he meant. He wasn't supporting the right to murder.
Are you really mocking MLK???
No, Gossamer Wings, Del is not mocking MLK, but rather making the obvious point that the murdering bltch's lawyers played the race card and the bleeding heart judge bought it. By the way, is it a crime to mock MLK, or simply a mortal sin?
Really amazing how conservatives try to blame liberals for everything. This is happening in Texas, y'all.
Be responsible for yourselves....
Steve-3564331
The bigger question here is does ones actions while in the throws of addiction, (which is classified as an illness), make them 100% reasonable about their actions?
Would this person have the propensity to kill without addiction in the picture?
Just a few questios...I'm not coming down on one side or the other
To answer you Steve, when a person first began their road to addiction, when they took their first hit of crack, they did so by their own choice. All else that follows is because of that choice. She made her decision long ago to become a crack addict, it was her choice, she is responsible for all of her actions that follow due to this choice she made before she began taking her drugs and got addicted to them.
make any excuses you want she did it excute her
* execute
So, the Prosecution used IRRELEVANT AND INADMISSABLE, ILLEGALLY SEARCHED AND SEIZED material evidence from 2 crimes that she wasn't on trial for to get a Dealth Penalty conviction, beyond a shadow of a doubt, for this crime?
Did the Defense object and the Judge overruled or something?
Robert in Oregon, collapsed #1.1, under this collapsed thread- NICE POST!!!
Ha ha Beech! Got to go through waking up on the day of your execution once, now we're going to make you go through it again in a couple months! Maybe next time we'll just inject you with a saline solution and reschedule you again!
Steve-3564331, #1.61- Are you using "reasonable" action to allude to something in the realm of "capacity", as in "diminished capacity", with resultant not knowing the difference between right and wrong because of literally being driven to do what she did (as in out of her control)?
Addiction as "Disease", not so much; but, Addiction as "Illness", I think. Also, and especially with Crack as "substance", doesn't it, or can't the Addiction, reach a point where One could be just as dangerous when they don't have it and need to get it as when they do have it and are actively "USING" it?
dan42day, #1.149- Already Double Jeopardy just crossed the line to Triple into "Cruel and Unusual Punishment".
But you have a good day.
How would that would make you better than a common murderer?
How would that make our society a more civilized, peaceful place?
What if it were you or a loved one, innocent, at the receiving end of the gun barrel?
F*ck a needle, they should use the reverse-bear trap from Saw.
"Why does Minnesota, a state without a death penalty have a markedly lower crime rate than Missouri, a similar-sized state which ranks 5th in the nation in the number of executions carried out since 1976?" I could answer that, but if I did, Newsvine would terminate my account. Some people just "can't handle the truth." We'll leave it at that, and let you fill in the politically incorrect blanks.
While it can never be proven that imposition of the death penalty on convicted killers is a disincentive to others who would kill, it seems to be of some efficacy in reducing repeat offenses.
(See "Kenneth McDuff")
myname, that was what N serling & I were discussing. His initial posting...
It takes a special strain of ignorance to loudly enter a debate without having a ghost of an idea as to what is being discussed.
Nicely done.
I'm still waiting your source regarding the relative numbers of illegal immigrants in New York, relative to Texas ...and waiting ....and waiting.
Mr Burns, I did not say that California had a high crime rate. I said its rates were not much different than those of Texas, even though it has much higher illegal immigrant population.
I'd further point out to both your and N. Serling, that the subject of this story was convicted back 1997, and is only now, after 16 years, facing probable execution. So Texas too, has an issue in carrying out its death sentences in a timely fashion.
Again, if one looks at states which have the death penalty, and use it, their crime rates run the gamut, from extremely low rates, such as in Montana, or extremely high rates, such as in Louisiana. In short, there is absolutely nothing to indicate that having and using the death penalty substantially lowers the crime rate, or the murder rate.
Criminals, inmyday. All of those crimes are committed by criminals.
Hope that helps.
BTW: Of what elephant are you speaking?
three gruesome murders it takes to get the death penalty.and then she still gets a new trial and still gets the death penalty.we should be executing some of these judges.
Her attorney said:
"It certainly doesn't make me happy," Parks said. "It's a fact of life. ... The reality is, with some exceptions, they're going to execute your client."
Maybe he should pick a better class of clients or perhaps his clients should pick a better attorney.
It's called the death PENALTY, not death deterrent. The sooner that evil woman stops breathing, the better for everyone. Her ex husband is a leader of the Black Panthers. Wow,, that's hard to believe because the Black Panthers are known to be such fun loving people.
This is most definitely a piece of murdering trash and deserves harsh punishment. I am always conflicted though when it comes to the death penalty, not sure if it's the right thing to do. The funny thing is I'm a conservative Republican who has usually favored the death penalty, but recently I've started rethinking it based on my religion.
She seems to be the prize candidate for it though. I hope she has asked for forgiveness and has repented, may God have mercy on her soul.
Also, more importantly, may her victims rest in peace and be with the Lord. They certainly didn't deserve to die so brutally and painfully.
One more thought, the fact that she is a woman, and black should not be a consideration for overturning her sentence, this woman killed 3 people, very physically. Trying to bypass that by using her race and gender is disgusting and pathetic.
Chuck - I'm not sure about Texas law, but here in California, if a person is found guilty of murder, they get an automatic appeal. It usually takes around 10-15 years for the appeal to be heard, sometimes even longer if the defense attorney keeps pushing back the court date.
And the reason it took two other murder charges is because they eff'd the first one by using a statement she made as evidence when at the time of questioning she asked for her lawyer - they should not have continued questioning her at that point at all but they did. It was a violation of her rights and because of that one mistake, the case got thrown out. Luckily, they were able to connect the two other murders to her.
Also: "McCarthy, who is black, ... All but one of McCarthy's jurors were white." Umm, why does this matter? Yes she's black, thank you Captain Obvious. Wow, all but one of the Jurors was white. Huh, well I'll be damned, you'd think there would be more diversity in Texas. The fact that her attorney is trying to pull the race card for another appeal is laughable.
A person isn't judge by a jury of people the same skin color as them, but by their peers. Peers meaning a person who is of equal standing with another in a group. Suggesting that the jurors weren't her peers - her equals - makes the defense attorney the one that is racist. And, after all, he and the DA were the ones to pull people to be jurors for the case, he was the one the decided if a person was his client's peer or not.
Don't go blaming the fact that she was found guilty because her jurors weren't black [therefore implying they were all racists] as the reason why you lost the trial and she was convicted, but the fact that the evidence proved her guilt, which, may surprise you, Mr. Parks, is what a trial is for.
Oh, sorry, this got me ranting. I'm a firm believer in that if there is no doubt that you committed murder, that the evidence proves your guilt, you should get the death penalty.
I have always supported the death penalty for heinous crimes and I wish pedophiles and molesters were added to murder. I think those sickos would curb their little sex acts if they knew their lives would be ended. My only problem with the death penalty is why it takes so long to execute these morons. They get to eat three squares, write books, get educations while they are waiting for THE DAY to arrive when in my opinion, they forfeited any rights to a life when they destroyed someone Else's. An earlier poster said there were 700 on death row in CA... my question is WHY? The sooner we clean this crap up, maybe the sooner things will calm down. As for this POS... personally, I don't care what color she is, or how bad her life was... she needs to be exterminated. Horrible excuse for a human.
Yeah, that bit about her jury being all white EXCEPT for one stood out at me too. i don't see how its pertinent to her case. Maybe her lawyers are implying she could've gotten a more lenient sentence if they sympathized with her struggles as a black woman? To me thats not fair. And if the lone black juror felt Kimberly was not responsible due to her race, then they could just have a hung jury. Clearly the lone black juror felt she was guilty too.
Maybe her trial attorney should have objected to the white jurors.
Bet the victim felt better being murdered by a black woman...... and once again, the color of the SKIN is what is being discussed.... NOT that fact she cut the victim's finger off & MURDERED HER..... and she has two more murders on her hands?
Disgusting and pathetic is the definition of the NAACP who is asking for her death penalty to be negated. They are trash.
White bitch murderes, black bitch murderes, whatever. No matter what thwe jury was comprised of, you are a murderer and guilty.
Fry bitch.
I don't know how you can cry foul on the basis of racial descrimination when your lawyer picks the jurors! Both laywers have to agree on the juorors don't they??? It is really annoying that some people think that people will find someone guilty based on race and others will find them NOT guilty based on race!!! Lets ask the victims families what they think. I think they are all black too! Also the biased exagerating news MSN likes to make something out of nothing all the time. If you are going to put this out there then include ALL of the evidence in the case because we couldn't convict or release someone on this amount of evidence! Also, stop making excuses for people because they are on drugs or mentally retarded. We still can't have someone capable of doing these types of things running around!
This racecard bull@!$%# needs to stop. If it walks like duck and talks like a duck, guess what.
what is missing from the discussion is the race of the victims.....ergo they must have been white .....ergo she is the rascist....by the simple fact that she only butchered white women....could she have been anti-women as well.....a simple murdering bigot.....
it is ok to say it....she is a rascist....all together now.......
Everyone should email the Judge who made this ruling! and show their displeasure! WHY IN THE WORLD would he make such a ruling? now? She's GUILTY!!! Another example of what America is going to....sad sad sad...we are on the precipice of becoming Europe....a weak socialist country...buried in debt and no back bone! I am sick to my stomach....much like I am when taking a close look at our GOVT. what a disgrace!
When the race of the victims is not mentioned and the accused is black,they are white.
Another victory for the liberals. Something to be proud of. Good Job folks, 3 murdered and tortured old white women are now history. Maybe she should head-up the Girl Scouts of America.
On the side, another good reason for capital punishment ...
Killers like Charles Manson actually have a FOLLOWING of sickos to this day, people that write to him and feed his demented ego.
Boo hooing because she didn't get a jury of her peers? That means that she should have been tried by a panel of black female triple-murderers.
I'm really confused. Blacks want to be treated as equals to whites and I agree that they should be. But at the same time they want special treatment because they are black. Since when does having black skin become an excuse for having killed three people in such heinous fashions?
So what would the proper ration of black to white to hispanic to asian to etc be for a murderer? She is black and she killed white women. Does that mean that the panel should have been all black or all white? Or only 3 whites (representing the 3 whites she killed) or at least three blacks (one for each of her murders)?
She is just another black that wants to be a "special" equal.
So, if we wait longer, will she become LESS guilty.
Take out the trash, already.
Its an equal opportunity justice system. Not only did she kill this person but two others earlier. If she was caught and executed for the 1st crime then two others would still be alive. Then theres the deterrent. We need to show 16-18 yr olds what happens to them when they commit murder. We do it with film of car accidents and it works, call it scared straight or whatever. We need to do this.
That is a huge ratio inequaliy (men Vs women) executed. How 'bout women equality rights!
Dam straight race played a part The victims were white! This monster needed to be put down like a rabib dog, Yet another example of our justice system failing the victims & U.S tax payers.
Death penalty costs the state MORE than life in prison. If Texas wants to spend tax payer money that way, so be it. I would pick the cheaper route, because I like my money, but that is just me.
As long as Texans are paying for this, and NOT using federal funds, I have no problem with it. It's not my money being thrown down the toilet.
The judge is a weinie. I hope the locals in TX are calling for her to be executed. Are judges elected or appointed in TX. I hope they are elected, because this is one judge I'd like to see lose their election next time around.
make any excuse you want she is guilty execute her.
@Jeffro
"This is a fallacy. Have you ever even been to Chicago?? If there weren't strict gun laws there the carnage would be even worse. They have strict gun laws because of the violence not the other way around."
That may be so, but now that we have empirical evidence that the strict gun laws AREN'T WORKING, don't you think it's about time they considered a different approach?
". What does this have to do with the story anyway. She didn't even use a gun."
You pretty much just proved his point right there.
Okay.. well, the article is POOR in explanations. yes, there's a reason that it's relevant that the jury was 11 whites and 1 black. Texas has been known for the death penalty on PREDOMINANTY blacks. yes, there are plenty of WHITE murderers in TX, but the state ahs been FAR harsher on those who are not white. That's why it matters. Personally, i'm apalled at what this woman did. Because Texas has the death penalty, this stay of execution was likely overkill in ensuring the woman gets her rights met. This wasn't the first time that particular appeal was made. The judge is going to be pressed to get this one done in a hurry because of the national attention. AND I highly suspect the judge grabbed at this one for political gains. It's highly unlikely that she's going to be taken off death row. I'm not one who would stand in the way of this. I also can't believe the first murder case was screwed up so badly that she was able to go on and do this 2 more times. Our country is SO screwed up legally that it PREVENTS true justice.
I fully admit that if anyone molested or killed my son, I'd go after them with serious vengeance in my heart WITH a gun. I'd want them to face the death penalty regardless of their ethnicity.. WHITE included.
BUT I always return to the moral dilemma: if it's WRONG to kill, and we're trying to tell the KILLER that it's wrong to kill, HOW is it right to kill the killer when it's not a self-defense issue? It's a struggle to believe in the death penalty. Yet in the case of pedophiles (true ones.. not the poor kids who get in trouble because they're both consenting teens!) there is NO record of rehabilitation.. And yes, I'd LOVE for them to face the death penalty!
Well 'Racism' is playing into it now... Thanks to a 'Worthless' Judge...
As a liberal, left-wing Democrat who's opposed to the death penalty, let me say just this: fry the fat cow and be done with it.
First, I want to say that she should die and die now. She is a despicable and evil woman. However...
Second, her first trial for THIS murder was reversed on appeal, and on her second trial she was reconvicted and sentenced, again, to death. The previous two crimes of murder are crimes she was never convicted of, let alone tried. I'm not sure how an indictment for a crime not tried can be used in a sentencing phase of a capital case without that information skewing a jury. But this isn't my real complaint since she should die for this murder alone, regardless of the other murders and her part in them.
My complaint here is that the DA isn't appealing this stay. And since the DA isn't appealing this stay the judge has little recourse but to give it given the DA isn't fighting it. I'm sure the DA put a brief before the judge in opposition to the claims of racism, but without appealing this order a higher court has no ability to take up the case and reverse the district judge's stay. If the DA went at this today, my bet is that it would have been heard by whichever justice on the USSC hears from Texas on these matters, put around the high court informally, and immediately reversed. She would die today.
She SHOULD die today.
If Obama had a auntie she would look like her.
Something to note:
In Jury trials lawyers do not get unlimited passes on rejection of jurors, Most states allow 2 from each side meaning a possible total of 4 rejected....Most states allow a judge to do more if the judge feels the juror is not a good candidate to be seated.
Race would only matter if the jury pool had a disproportionate in-balance of race in which to draw from.
Even if she had an all black jury it wouldn't really matter, as they have a tendency to be stricter when it comes to trying another black person under the same conditions.
What she did was horrible, and certainly merits her death. I can't explain why I am relieved that she wasn't executed today, I can only confess that I am relieved.
The death penalty is barbaric and it should be unconstitutional because of the 8th Amendments prohibitions of cruel and unusual punishments. I am amazed that so many people who claim to be either libertarians or small government conservative support giving the state the power to take the live of its citizens in revenge for a crime.
Can anyone tell me what should be the proper reaction when the state executes the wrong person? Could that state execute your child, your spouse or your parents and then just say "Im sorry, the jury was wrong"?
The proper punishment is life w/o the possibility of parole.
We know where you pulled that "fact" out of. It cost less to send someone for a year in Harvard than a year in Huntsville.
She's a woman. Of course there is a delay. I knew there would be, even though this creature cut off a woman's finger while she was still alive. For some reason, when women commit crimes they are still "victims" somehow, which is total BS.
Good, because that picture wasn't going to save anything.
Maybe her lawyer will say that she was the "victim".
A jury is a jury, not matter WHO has been designated.......OVER !!!!
We do not have a justice system, we have a legal system. It doesn't matter if the person is innocent or guilty it is the skill of the attorney(s) that counts. I do not believe in the death penalty, killing is still killing whether you are a crackhead or the state of Texas, and it is still wrong.
I do not think this woman should ever be free to roam the streets killing off other people to feed her habit.
Oh man they need to use every tool she used on her victims but stretch it out a few days. Make good TV for the Discovery channel. Great ratings. Stupid Judges and lawyers. If she had killed a cop or Judge we would not be wasting our time typing this stupid stuff.
Well, as a woman, I have to say "if these are the types of women you are sparing the death penalty, please do us all a favor and stop!" Her poor victim would still be alive had she been prosecuted for the earlier murders. Why didn't she get the death penalty for those? My God, called an elderly lady asking to borrow a cup of sugar and then, when she went to retrieve it, she chopped off the poor elderly lady's finger and removed her wedding ring? Talk about gratitude for free sugar! Then she continued to butcher her and stole her credit cards? What would that poor elderly woman say, if she could have spoken to the jury? In Texas, white means mestizo, anyway, if you have ever seen the recent mug shots of criminals they are labeling white. I'm supposed to be upset that 11 "white" people convicted her? Would it be okay if a black jury let her off just because her husband started the Black Panther Party? Is that what they're trying to say - that such would have been a more fair verdict? She obviously already got a fair verdict. I've never heard of a white killer getting off because her husband started the KKK. How many men on death row have murdered fewer people than this woman? Put her down.
I'm not surprised. How sad, the victims will not receive justice here.
If she is guilty, she should pay for her crimes with her life plain and simple as the law dictates...
And we wonder why the crime rate is so high. If it were up to me, I would include capital punishment for any felon with a gun used in a crime. The bleeding hearts say we can't because it is cruel and unusual. I say it is cruel and unusual to be killed by a felon. But I guess we are so used to it, maybe it is not unusual. The legislators are crying to take away guns to curb crime. In all the countries that take away guns the ony people left who have guns are the criminals. We make laws that only limits the law abiding citizens, but do nothing to the criminals. They then fell sorry for their sorry a$$es and put them back on the streets. If our legislators would spend more time hurting the criminals instead of coddling them, then maybe the law abiding citizen would stand a chance.
Why doesn't this surprise me? Because the original article earlier this week made mention that all of her jurors were white except for 1 or 2 which is TOTALLY irrelevant to the case! I don't care if she's purple, she brutally murdered her neighbor. She needs to go.
Blondeness
I guess you think it's okay that we support this waste of human life for however long it lasts?
Texas WTF is wrong with that judge!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He is an idiot! He needs a new job.
This has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with her being a murderer. Think of all the money wasted on keeping these people alive... and what are they contributing to society? Please, stick the needle in her and be done with it!
well there was A black person on the jury, and they still convicted her, WTF is the problem? "Houston, we have a problem."
I am white but live in the little town that this woman grew up in. She did one thing good she gave birth to the finest, most percious son. Thank God she didn't raise him. I know most of her family. They say if you do the crime you need to pay. No one black or white is for this woman. Execute her and be done with it. It was all drugs, the habit will make you do anything. Her family are all pillars of the community but they sure don't condone her actions or want her to live.
Go Texas...... I agree N serling, the above states are a joke when it comes to criminals
I couldn't agree with you more. Personally, I am tired of working multiple jobs to take care of myself and my family and often going without while my tax dollars support violent criminals. I am not saying that some criminals can't be rehibilitated if they want to be and agree that anybody can make a mistake in life and deserves a second chance. But, lets also face the facts that there are violent career criminals that will never be rehibilitated and it is not my responsibility to care for them. I would much rather see my tax dollars go to help those with disabilities that they did not bring upon themselves. Many of these poor souls are trying to work and it they make enough money working their tax dollars are also to support these losers. I have NO sympathy for drug addicts. This is the CHOICE they made - NOT me or you. And while I am venting, why do we have to support drug addicts on goverment disability because they claim they can't hold a job. That is crap! An addict can quit if they really want too, they don't want to quit because it is easier to expect others to take care of them. And I know what I am speaking about because I had a family member that did just that until he abused himself to death at age 43.
Maybe if we didn't waste so much money of those that don't deserve to live for their actions comitted upon others we could invest in more ways to STOP drugs from coming into this country. Personally, I would like to openly hang drug dealers. I don't care who they are; gender, color or age. Execute them ALL for the sorrow they inflict upon society out of greed.
dman,
Texas has a higher crime rate because of all the illegals here. We see it on the news every night. Drive by shootings, stabbings, home invasions, burglary, rape, and most always the same description given....hispanic male, 20 to 30 brown hair, brown eyes, 5' 10" , 180 - 200 pounds. That is why the crime rate is higher here !
Drug dealers dont shove it down the ppls throats....they decide to buy it from the drug dealers. Maybe the drug users should be hanged as well while we're at it. You're far too angry. There's a reason (psychologically) behind what EVERY person does. I'm not saying I agree with users getting disability because they cant hold a job because of their addictions (thats ridiculous) BUT I understand the LOGIC behind becoming an addict. No everyone is capable of COPING with life i.e-being molested, bullied and picked on RUTHLESSLY, having no one they could trust because of those two scenarios, etc so they turn to drugs....It's a COPING MECHANISM. The sooner we realize this, the sooner we can keep people off drugs. The same goes for the drug dealers...it's a source of feeling power (as lame as that is to you and I) it's a reality for them and remember REALITY is PERCEPTION. And some dealers ARENT GREEDY as you would say. Some just need to take care of their families (why not get a job?) Well, getting a job isn't always so easy for the rest of us who dont live in the middle class, white picket fence section. "And I know what I am speaking about because I had a family member that did just that until he abused himself to death at age 43" Ok, so where were you? Did you try helping them or did you just DISCARD them just like everyone else does with ADDICTS? Did you understand WHY they felt the need to do drugs? Or were they just selfish and irresponsible in your eyes?
@ at Amanda, at first I was wondering who in thier RIGHT MIND would DEFEND drug dealers.. but i painstakingly read through you whole post and finally understood why you would DEFEND WORHTLESS PIECES OF TRASH.
My best friend is an alcoholic, and if say.. he sold liquer to minors ( which is immoral and illegal, like selling drugs) I would turn his @$$ in, in a heartbeat, no pity for him. So your family member was addicted, boo hoo, that gives them a free pass to help keep other people addicted?
You should be a defense lawyer if you can so eaily look past people choosing to poisen this country, find the good in people.... let them all free and live thier lives while this country goes to hell.
My sister is an addict but not by her choice... she has inoperable cancer and the tumor is causing tremendous pain, therefore pain management doctors have put her on high octane drugs. Not everyone that is on drugs is trash. There are exceptions.
As I stated earlier, pedophiles and molesters should be added to the death row group, without question. What's really strange is that men have been doing this since the beginning of time and people have just turned their backs allowing it to happen. You have your sex fantasies, sex religions (you know the ones... where the men get all those virgins) sex trafficking, when does this kind of crap stop?
As far as Bullies go....that's a whole different ballgame. Look at the stupid reality shows on TV, those idiots from Jersy for one... the way they treat each other and fight, then you wonder why there are bullies.
I think there should be a clean sweep in every single prison in states where the convicted have been sentenced to death. Line them up and shoot them with the drugs that stop the black holes where their hearts were supposed to be. Go back to public hangings so to speak. Broadcast this kind of reality so maybe some of the trash who are headed down that path might change their lives before it's too late.
@ Becky... does your sister sell said drugs to other people? Because i was referring to drug DEALERS being trash... your sister sounds like she got legally obtained drugs from her doctor and just uses them for herself, and unless she no longer needs the drugs and is sill using them, that doesnt seem like addiction to me.
Anyways I assume you were responding to me because i used the word trash, and your response used the same word.
But as they say assumeing just makes a "@$$" out of "u" and "me" and you could have been responding to LR
shed did the crime,was convicted,sentence was pronounced,CARRY IT OUT.
LR, I understand how you feel about addicts because you had a family member who did what they did. But you are completely wrong to paint all addicts with the same brush. I know...I used to be one. Not all addicts are what they are by choice and not all of them want to keep going. It is not that simple. Addicts come from ALL walks of life. They can be professionals, homemakers, doctors, anyone...and it can start as innocently as having a bad accident and needing to be on pain medication. Until you have lived it, you cannot know what it is like to be in that terrible place of addiction. Some people are self-medicating because they can't get help from the medical community. Some people are just plain scum and don't care. But you cannot judge all based on the actions of one. Sorry, it doesn't work that way.
Sorry Amanda,....I misunderstood what you said. Never mind that last comment--you were addressing LR.
Becky- your sister having cancer and addicted to drugs to control her cancer is not even someonething anyone would argue with you over. No one said someone addicted to drugs for cancer pain is trash! However, if she decided to kill you and your family thats a whole nother story! Even if she has a REASON to be addicted does NOT give someone an excuse to kill! When you go out and strange, stab, shoot, punch, beat or run over with your car while on drugs or alcohol another human being and kill them you deserve to be put to death. Accidents are another thing.
becky you sound crazy.
Logically, if it is wrong to commit homicide, how can committing more homicide be called 'justice?'
Well I really don't expect the crowd writing here to understand the simple logic of 'two wrongs do not make a right.' Two lefts don't make a right either.
Logically speaking if there is a person who is committing murder and you execute that person, then that person who was committing murder cant murder anyone else. Thats real logic.
I did not know that selecting a jury was done by race? I know they send out notices several times a year for me to show up for jury selection, but I was never asked what my race was!! And besides if all of the jury was white except for one, than that would be because the attorneys picked them and that was the pool they were given to make selections from. So stop your whining...
The death penalty is wrong. Theres no question of this womans guilt, and there should be no chance she is ever released. But murder by the State, is still murder. Its not a good example to set. How can the government say killing is wrong, when they do it themselves?
The same reason other countries have lower violence rates, are the same reason they also have no death penalties. And they treat people more humanely overall. And it shows in the kind of people they create.
You are what you eat..
More Justice, that bitch eat up 45k a year in tax...she can go to hell.... Hang her high
Well then please explain what we should do to convicted killers and violent criminals release them on the on the street's to continue to rape and pillage?
Jail them for life. And you pay the same guard once. Not per inmate.
Make them work so they pay their own way, doing some public service. Like making Stop Signs or Manhole covers or whatever.
Each inmate is 45k a year morejustice
alifornia's Annual Costs to Incarcerate an ... Per Inmate Costs ... It costs an average of about $47,000 per year to incarcerate an inmate in prison in California.
California’s Annual Costs to Incarcerate an
Inmate in Prison
2008-09
Type of Expenditure
Per Inmate Costs
Security
$19,663
Inmate Health Care
$12,442
Medical care
$8,768
Psychiatric services
1,928
Pharmaceuticals
998
Dental care
748
Operations
$7,214
Facility operations (maintenance, utilities, etc.)
$4,503
Classification services
1,773
Maintenance of inmate records
660
Reception, testing, assignment
261
Transportation
18
Administration
$3,493
Inmate Support
$2,562
Food
$1,475
Inmate activities
439
Inmate employment and canteen
407
Clothing
171
Religious activities
70
Rehabilitation Programs
$1,612
Academic education
$944
Vocational training
354
Substance abuse programs
313
Miscellaneous
$116
Total
$47,102
So they can suck up more tax dollars! In case you don't know some people are evil and cannot be rehabilitated it's a deterrent! It's pretty obvious your a bleeding heart.
It doesnt have to be. Make them do something to off set their cost. A public service of some kind. Making something for the State, that pays for their upkeep. They could also have fields to work, where they must grow their own food as part of their rehab. Theres no reason they cant have a limited farm attached to the prison.
It doesnt have to cost. And you are not considering the cost psychologically on the public, that capital punishment has. It makes murder okay. Now people are justifying when its okay to kill someone or not. Its never okay.
Some states do that already and is nothing new but they are in prison for various offenses.
I do not condone murder! And when someone has committed murder or other heinous acts they are given a trial I know the system is not perfect. What about justice for the families and victims it's a message your actions and behavior will not be tolerated in decent law abiding society. I think second fold it's a deterrent to other criminals you can't do as you want they are consequences for your actions and you will be held accountable.
I find it difficult to accept the argument that we should put people to death because it's cheaper. Economics really has no place in the capital punishment debate.
I also find it difficult to accept the "Eye for an eye" justification for a society murdering a human being because that human being murdered another. The Hammurabi Code is not much different from the much reviled Islamic Shariah Law. So do we like Old Testament punishments when they avenge our blood lust, and embrace Christianity only when we want to feel good about ourselves?
Actually with appeals and lawyers it costs more and the Unions want raises and they want more monbey and retirement.
@Robert what ever makes you feel better.
Nobody's talking about murdering a human being here. She gave up her humanity a long time ago. So now this is just really, really expensive pest control. The ants in my back yard have more of a right to life than this lady does. And Robert, this isn't anywhere close to "an eye for an eye", or the state would be chopping off her fingers and beating her with a meat cleaver.
The biggest problem with the death penalty is how drawn-out the process is. In cases where the evidence is absolutely overwhelming with nothing even resembling reasonable doubt, it should be done within a week of sentencing, rather than wasting millions of dollars on appeals and prison time.
Morejustice,
This is not a matter of the state committing murder too, it is a matter of the state doing what it was created to do which is to enforce the law. This woman knew that it was a crime to kill these senior citizens but she did it any way and now she must pay. Remember it is the law and while you may not agree with it, it still is the law and she knew that so now she must pay and this is by being killed herself by the state that is there to protect the interest of all citizens in the state of Texas. You also need to ask yourself what kind of person can kill someone then use the money of their victim to go out and buy things like crack cocaine or booze and not give it a second thought. This woman is a monster and deserves to die. And I am certain the the majority of all post would agree that we will be better off without her in the mix.
An interesting take on life and society. Should not be a "chance" of release from prison ... what a beautiful concept ... except that there is always a chance. In fact, except for a few "famous" murders, most of these animals lcoked for life, will be considered for release at some point. So although this animal has taken it upon herself to carry out her own style of the death penalty on 3 other innocent people, we should just "move on." I enjoy your thoughts about death, murder and the state, which leads me to believe that perhaps you don't hold to any government "killing" people. A noble virtue, but I am curious has to how you are able to square this virtue with the entire concept of self defense.
Gunner...
Good point on the self defense. I do wonder what the bleeding hearts on here would do if this lady was coming at them. Would they kill her to protect themselves or just accept it?
I know it is an old saying but if you cant handle the time, dont comit the crime!
It isnt brain surgery libs!
But I bet you have no problem with an armed government telling American citizens they aren't entitled to their Second Amendment rights. Just another liberal hypocrite.
My ass. Countries that have an eye for an eye law have way less crime.
What you're saying above is what's wrong with our Country. You want to put them away for life. Do you know what that means?!...
It means that most homeless people etc... will commit a crime for the roof over their head, the cable tv, magazines, arts and crafts, schooling, beds to sleep in 3 square meals a day etc...
Other Countries laugh at us for doing this instead of taking care of business within 24 hrs as some of them do.
I give all the permission in the world to uthenize "ME"if I commit 1st degree, rremeditated murder.
In our judicial system, the death penalty is neither swift nor certain, and that’s probably why it’s not a significant deterrent to crime. Nevertheless, nobody can deny that all PROVEN murderers who are executed will never murder AGAIN (so there is some intrinsic deterrent value).
Anyway, I think the death penalty could become a celebrated deterrent to crime if it were administered with swiftness and certainty. To find out if my theory is plausible, just seek the opinion of anyone threatened with the “death penalty” (by neighborhood thugs) if they snitch to the police during a crime investigation. The police can get mighty frustrated trying to crack a case when all the witnesses won’t talk for fear of reprisal that the local thugs promise will be swift and certain.
How about you first explain why you consistently see only what you want to see. They clearly stated this...
You stopped reading after they said the death penalty was wrong, then jumped up on your soapbox.
I am not choosing sides, but seriously start reading an entire post before hitting the post comment button.
Also, for all those thinking it costs so much to house inmates for life. It costs more to execute them. Fix the system and then reconsider if the death penalty is economically better than life in prison.
@Ny mike liberals always trying to spin and polarize the issue.
More Justice...
Here's an example of an eye for an eye law in another story...
And this is just for stealing and cheating on his wife. So, they cut his fingers and who knows what else off...
Now, here in USA, he would have a a place to live, schooling, food, cable TV etc...
Just sayin'...
Rhonda Lucky-296458 has stated the obvious truth, but for some people they just can't see it or understand it.
The state isn't "murdering" criminals, it's simply taking out the garbage. These criminals have forfeited their right to life and to live when they took the life of another. Funny how they have so little regard for another person's life, but exhaust every appeal and seek to reduce their sentence or get a new trial when their life hangs in the balance.
@Robert - I agree with you. But, in fact, it is NOT cheaper. See this link:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/costs-death-penalty
But there is another, more important reason that the death penalty should NEVER be imposed. People on "death row" are exonerated continually - even after having been convicted of murder.
We all know that the system is imperfect. By imposing a death penalty, the state is knowingly killing INNOCENT people (along with a bunch of people who don't deserve to live). In the discussions that I've had with people about this, many seem to feel that some level of error is acceptable in this regard.
I suspect they they have never been unjustly convicted.
Until we come up with a system that IS perfect - every time - I believe that the State has NO right to take to take a life.
Put them in prison for life (the rest of their life). At least that way an unjust conviction can, in some way, be corrected.
@Creek Dog... Yep, Iran has some vicious laws, but they still allow men to beat, stone, rape, and even kill their wives. Oh wait... sorry, I guess you are talking about men here.
and just think, if men got something cut off for cheating on their wives? Oh wow, we would have a whole lot of disfigured men running around.
But back to the topic... this woman deserves to die and I for one will be glad to administer the shots.
Well one of our problems is all the PC crap that makes us treat these murders like they still deserve a kind and decent exit of life. Why does killing them have to be expensive? How much does a rope cost? And a trap door that can be used a million times? Or a guillotine.... hell the thought of my head under one of those even gives me the creeps... especially if you line em all up and let them watch as they wait thier turn.
As for it being "murder" HA! If i walk up to a cop and say, dude i am going to shoot you in the face and pull out a gun and he shoots me and kills me... is the cop a murderer? Nope I just killed myself by cop. If i jump off a bridge and splat on the freeway, is the ground guilty? Nope my own actions caused my death.
My thoughts are if you murder someone else you just gave up your own life. We are just stopping you from walking around.
Rob in Oregon, let them live with you.
More Justice, where is the justice in giving someone a free bed and food for the rest of their lives when they have done the most evil and heinous of crimes against others? I know that prison is no picnic but it is hardly punishment after a while. People get used to living in such circumstances and eventually prefer it. I don't believe the death penalty should be applied to just any murder though...it should only apply to the worst of the worst. The people who kill not just one person but multiple people. People who also torture and rape their victims besides murdering them. People who beat old ladies to death in order to rob them and cut off their fingers while they are still alive. Those are the people who should have the death penalty.
Got Aspirin, I agree that people have been often exonerated after years on death row. And for that reason I am hesitant on applying the death penalty. In fact, that is why it should only be applied in the most heinous of crimes and there should be overwhelming evidence (not just circumstantial evidence or one "witness") before it is applied.
He can't hear you, he's out hugging a tree somewhere.
Robert in Oregon - Go back to doing your favorite past time and smoke another one and have animal sex. We all know that the weirdos are in Oregon! So by what you are saying we should do NOTHING to ANYONE! If we can't put someone to death for murdering we shouldn't be able to put someone in jail for stealing, selling drugs or beating someone so severely that they are a vegetable! Why should we do anything? The crime has to fit the punishment. I would bet you are another person that would let your son, daughter or spouse beat your ass and not call the police or let them steal or do whatever they want because you they just FELT like doing it! Luckily there are not many of you! Not paying to keep someone alive for the rest of their life IS a good reason but its only ONE of them, the other is the fact that that person has no RIGHT to be here when they take away someone elses RIGHT to be here!
Also for you that keep bringing up people that were exonerated after being on death row, that was in the past! They have DNA evidence now! They have more failsafe ways of keeping that from happening! Usually most of the people admit they did it, or several people SAW them do it. Do you think the guy that just killed all those people in the theatre should not be put to death? There is NO doubt that he did it and would do it again! Why is it you people that feel this way are the first ones to be for abortions also? Its all about you, you don't want somoene to feel bad so lets do nothing and if we just talk and be nice they will too! Wake up!
Hard
Can you explain these?
Inmate Health Care
$12,442
Medical care
$8,768
What is the difference?
Do you ever wonder how the government can say kidnapping is wrong, when they imprison kidnappers?
All you women complaining about " gender equality ", here ya go! This is as good a place to start as any. You want military combat roles so you can die for your country? Well, you can start here, by dying for your crimes!
Who do you think is asking for gender equality in the military? I will give you three guess's and the first two don't count! No normal woman would be asking for that.
I've got Roach Rage!
In Saudi Arabia she would have been stoned to death within the hour or beheaded. Either way Quickly
POS should die 10 times, each more painful than the previous...
Hey, can you say the word 'sadist'? Sadists always think their brand of cruelty is just and fair.
@morejustice- in a utopian society where everyone gets along like peaches and cream there would be no need for a death penalty, however such is not the case. and outside of a deterrent, or justice. the simple truth is that human beings with the capacity to commit such unbelievable atrocities need to be not only removed from society but from the human gene pool all together. once they are eliminated then such crimes that merit such punishment shall be eliminated as well.
Make fun of the south all you want. Make fun of Texas, but remember this- you go to Texas and you murder someone- there will be no special bleeding heart rough childhood stories! You get to take the fast lane to that needle.
Dear East Coast- this is how it's done-So long you murdering hag ;)
Fast lane? 1997 crime, most recently tried in 2002.
2002-2013, fast? Not near enough for me.
For crimes such as these - conviction with no doubt - should be ONE review within 6 months to make sure that the criminal gets their rights that they denied the victim....and then, done. Set the execution date 1 month after the review date.
Conviction to death - 7 months tops.
Have to be SURE of guilt - as in this case (used the credit cards, DNA, pawned the ring...HELLO?). Otherwise, take the needed time to BE SURE - no excuses to execute the WRONG person.
Wouldn't bother me one bit if there wasn't a review at all for NO DOUBT cases - after all - why give the person any rights at all when they denied the right of LIFE to someone? They could do it pretty much immediately then - same day service. They don't deserve any better and MAYBE it would actually be a deterrent instead of - nearly limitless appeals, years on death row, commutation to life sentence, people crying about what a good person they are...blah blah blah....
Agreed- I was being over zealous!
In China- 7 days, that's how long your appeal is ;)
7 days? Wow. Can't say I'm against it, but...well, in cases where there is no doubt, it would be fine. 0 days would be fine with those - call it "delayed suicide"
Considering Texas' (and other States) past record with convicted murderers later to be exonerated through DNA evidence, I honestly don't think there needs to be too much of a rush.
I'm all for carrying out the sentence including the death penalty, but there are sadly too often mistakes made.
In what century were these exonerated death penalty victims coming from? Since DNA there have been many people let out of prison. I am all for going over any DNA evidence they might have in old cases ASAP! It is VERY rare that a death penalty case is wrong!
Line the criminals up and BZZZTTT...next etc
Someone like her makes me WANT to believe in God, and religion, and...more specifically...HELL and damnation.
Death by wiffle bat would be a good deterrent. Just the offender..and the family of those that were harmed, locked in a room. Each person hurt gets a wiffle bat - and no restrictions.
Unfortunately, people like her are a part of society - the lure of drugs.
Oh, and thanks for mentioning that she is black in the article - the picture wasn't obvious enough... Also - why mention at all that she is black - what point does it serve? Do we mention when a killer is white?
Drac, This is msnbc they have to stir the pot with misinformation
Just like they had to say that all but one of the jurors is white... Yea im sure thats why she was found guilty.
Add to that, if I am not mistaken a recommendation for the death penalty has to be unanimous so that means the one black juror also agreed, or are they trying to say the black juror was threatened or otherwise forced to agree?
I always like these articles.....given that the defense and prosecuting attorneys have to agree on the jurors, whose fault was it that 11 out of 12 jurors were white? Then the same defense attorney goes back and complains about an unfair trial? (generalizing here for any same type trial conditions)
The laywers approve the jurors and pick them so why can they now say it was a bias jury? They chose them BOTH times! This is just another trick they have been allowed to pull out of their hat if they don't like the outcome of a non-white case. There may have been cases of black being found guilty on the basis of color but I find that hard to believe in this day and age. I find it hard to believe that a whole jury will find someone guilty because of their color just as much as I find it hard to believe that a jury could find someone innocent because of their color! Mostly white people found OJ innocent and he probably wasn't! I didn't even want him to be guilty. I was jumping up and down when they said innocent then I wondered why after! Its just hard to believe someone you grew up seeing in the public with so much could do something like that!
While I agree that the jury selection along race lines should make no difference, I am reminded of O.J. Simpson's trial and its outcome. His jury was mostly black and Hispanic and, despite overwhelming evidence, he was found not guilty of killing his wife and her boyfriend. I would bet that had this woman's jury been composed of 11 black people and 1 white person, she would be out on the streets now. (O.J.'s jury had 9 blacks, 1 Hispanic and 2 whites)
Go ahead and delete this post if you wish, but most of you know it's true.
Since 1976, when the U.S. Supreme Court allowed the resumption of the death sentence, 1,309 men have been killed, and only 12 women...now THAT is a crime!
There should be affirmative action for women criminals to get the death sentence: they always want equal rights!
First, she DID get the death sentence..it is carrying it out that is the issue and we see this with both men and women. She was only on death row for what, 11 yrs? How many men that have been executed have been on death row for that amount of time or even longer? According to this article, death row inmates in the US wait at least a decade and some death row inmates have waited over 20 yrs. Look at the sidebar of the guy who died of natural causes while on death row..he had been there for 27 years. http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/time-death-row
Second, look at stats here about the majority of gender that commits violent crime that might lead to a death sentence. Since men are higher in that rate it makes sense that fewer women end up on death row.
Women obviously HAVE equal rights for the death penalty or they wouldn't be put on death row in the first place.
Hopefully, the NEW Black Panther Party has been ''declawed'' and this crack-addicted serial killer will keep her well deserved date with justice. Bon voyage!
Bring back GOOD deterrents - Public stonings and the like - let society extract revenge, not the "State"........; or maybe give her the same punishment she gave her victim........................
No thanks. You can have your barbaric displays of justice.
Besides, why should someone not even affected by this criminal have any type of participation in her death?
There are no good deterrents. People will kill no matter the punishment.
Gee, wonder how you'd feel about that if the murder directly affected you or, your family?
be different if it was his family, but then again if this puts the message out that we the people ain't playing no more this cop mite not have a job bedause then all criminals would have the fear of god put in them
They should hang the fat bi#ch in town square and let her swing till she falls....TEXAS for life!!
And put you right up there with her. It just entertainment for you all pin heads.
TEXAS IS A LONELY PLACE...........
Victoria...
Do you believe if they did public executions to show anyone out there even thinking about commiting a similiar crime, that it would be a deterant? Do you think criminals might say, "Whooa I better not do that here"?
Do you believe killers like that in Colorado at the theatre should just spend the rest of his life in jail after what he did? You know if you publicly and swiftly handle the situation and let others see the results of their choices, it would make people think twice.
Nope.
Mental instability doesn't fear consequences.
I don't think that capital punishment (or public executions) is a deterrent to those who commit mass murders such as what happened at the Colorado theater or any of the school shootings (though perhaps for other crimes it could be-though for murders that happen "spur of the moment", or for criminals who think they're "too clever to be caught", I'm not sure that they're thinking about punishment). A large percentage of mass murderers commit suicide after killing, so if they were planning on dying anyway, the threat of being killed by the state isn't exactly going to stop them.
On mass murders......we all know it's the fame that drives the scum. I place most of the blame on the sorry a$$ media whores. What we need is a law that says," It is illegal for any news media organization to print any pictures of captured suspects, except for when specified by the authority of that jurisdiction. If a suspect is in custody and not at large and no public assistance is needed, the media whores are obviously glorifying the killer and punishing the families of the victims for profit, period. Judges can inflict gag orders. Why can't jurisdictions have gag orders on all detained suspects? It should be a law punishable with up to a $500,000 fine and up to 2 years in prison, for the first offense and a mandatory $500,000 fine and 2 years for leaking pics out to foreign media whores. It should be a law!!!That would also go for U.S. dip$hits that may have hands on a personal pic of a suspect and decide they want to get a little fame by placing the pic on social networks or the Internet. NO GLORY TO THE KILLERS. Media whores...... your hands have the blood of the Theater Killers victims on your hands and you know it and also all the fame grabbing, killers victims as well. How's that blood money working out for you? Sleeping well with the raises from it? Keep posting their pics! Keep glorifying their face! The attacks are going to only get worse, as one killer tries to out do the last killer. At this rate, by 2023', you'll wish all they had were assault rifles with 30 round magazines or 100 round drums. Thanks to the media, we can expect Timothy McVeigh types of murders to become commonplace (in our children's schools) as glorification escalates and the fact that mass destruction bombs materials are much easier to obtain than guns and ammunition. No doubt, this is the direction mass murder is headed as each mass murder tries to out do the last...... as far as this article goes.... no pity or no sympathy for the truly wicked. I think it would go a long way, if anyone had the balls to air the private executions of killers! There's just something about viewing the fate you will meet, if you commit these types of crimes. I agree that the death penalty is not a very good deterrent, as it stands now. But the truth is....that's just because the criminals out in public never get to see their plight first hand, up close and personal and.... that's what's wrong with the current death penalty! (in my humble opinion)
She needs to be put out of her misery. What a discussing human being; attacking and killing the most vulnerable of us. This woman needs to go and go quickly. The only way the death penalty will actually become a deterrent is if and when convicted murderers (certain elements; ie dna, etc) are put to death within 1 year of their conviction with no exceptions. Get them through the system and out of here. I am sick of these assxxxxx.
shirl - put of his/her misery is a term you use for a wounded animal you want to spare pain and suffering. you sure you wanna use that term with this lady?
she is in misery mine hers and everyone elses trying to live on this planet as law abbiding citizensif you don't want this done then take her to the s pacific put her on a diserted island
Go Texas! Next!
Some people are so evil they simply do not deserve to share the air on this planet.
I agree! Especially people who kill or rape children!
TEXAS IS A LONELY PLACE........... not as of last night...... the babes were out in full force
We can all take pride, greater pride, in being Americans as this pathetic woman is killed later today. On a bigger stage. we can be proud and know that we are superior to all other nations but China, in that we kill more criminals than any nation but . . . Red China.
We should kill more, I'm tired of feeding them...they have better health care that most of us today
That's probably because we HAVE more criminals. Nothing to be proud of....
Does the death penalty work? You have a one in 372 chance of being put to death for homocide...prety good odds to not worry about it!
Hardcoffee ..do you feel good tht the liberal system has allowed two others to be murdered....don't you feel even a little sympathy for the victim? To me, you are partially responsible for those deaths
Equal treatment under the law.
Next case.
Deterrent. No more limitless appeals. No doubt cases - hell, why wait? Okay fine...we'll give them a review of their conviction within 6 months - and then, if that doesn't change anything - 1 month later - goodbye.
For cases that are not as obvious as this one - there HAS to be a time limit on appeals. We also need to get over this whole rights thing - if someone murdered or raped someone - I really don't care about their rights. Was the trial fair? Well, if the person did the crime - who cares? The person in this article got a new trial because she said something after requesting an attorney - AND??? Complete waste of time and money - does it change that she KILLED??? NOPE!!! Rights - bunch of crap - she denied people the ultimate right - the right to LIVE!
Maybe if people KNEW that if they got caught and convicted of killing someone and there was no doubt to their guilt - they would be dead in say 6 months - maybe...they wouldn't do the crime. Sure - most - it likely wouldn't change anything - but - all it takes is ONE person to not kill to make it worthwhile. After all - the person saved could be you - maybe your son or daughter.
Endless appeals, rights, commutation. Make sure to sterilize the equipment before giving the injection. Gotta be sure it's painless too - that's important - never mind that she chopped off a finger while the person was alive and THEN killed. Can't see what's wrong with a firing squad - cheap, very efficient, probably hurts but who cares - it's still better than what the victim got.
Why is this even in the story? - Evil has no color..... Thanks NBC for pointing that out!! (sarcasm font now off)
I think a Purple jury would have convicted her - With that much evidence why the hell did it take 15 years to get this done???
I believe in Texas and many other states, a death penalty decision must be unanimous, which means the black juror also felt this animal was guilty and deserved the DP as punishment.
Well let's then also argue that NBC omitted the race of the victim, shall we? FYI the victim was NOT black. And no NOT Hispanic either. Good old grandma type white.
Yeah, many of us want this monster dead. And we don't like the taxpayers paying for room, board and health care for this monster. The world would be better without this monster. But, some of us don't like the government murdering people. It is a dilemma.
what would the people who are complaining about the death penalty think if someone murdered one of their family or a friend? The government needs to stop feeding and keeping these violent thugs alive for ten-twenty years for committing violent crimes when they have evidence that cannot be disputed, The government wants to save money! They could save billions just by getting rid of these violent thugs as soon as the trial is over, And like I said ALL violent thugs murderers, rapist, pediphiles, drunk drivers, you get the idea
jbird2010 - I do agree with you but I am going to play devil's advocate. What about the people that are actually innocent and in jail for crimes they did not commit? Granted it doesn't happen that much anymore.
Not during the sentencing phase of a trial. Prior acts can be shown for enhancing penalties. You should find out the facts before your speak.
It's not the U.S.government, it's the state of texas. If the evidence shows she did it, then she deserves death, just like she gave to that poor women.
Then hand her over to the people so that they can give her justice the old fashion way.
Can I pull the switch on this @!$%#ing @!$%#? All I require is lunch at McDonald's!