not even close. i grew up in tacoma, just south of seattle, on the edges of what is now called Joint base lewis mcchord.... i've seen live hand grenades, M-1 and M-16 rifles, and more than a couple launch tubes...a couple of them live. i went to this gun buyback, and while i didn't see that exchange, i saw HUNDREDS of people turning in guns, while guys stood there waving cash and calling them names for not selling to them. some people turned in their guns in even after the cash ran out. i saw a fully auto scorpion...loaded... and a few other out-and-out illegal weapons. i also saw a 12 or 13 year old kid turn in what looked like a taurus 9mm.

staged? not a chance in hell. the fact that some people don't think like you doesn't mean they don't exist.

I wonder how many Americans were murdered by one of those missile launchers last year? NONE.. go figure.

since you have neither the ability to read, i will give your opinion the appropriate weight.

Let me guess your one of those morons that think the sandy school shooting was staged also.... Just so Obama could come steal your weapons from you....

internet acting up, keeps chopping my edit. don't care what you think, eminem's mom. when i was a little kid, i'd walk the trails between the base and tacoma, picking up comm wire, smoke cans, and spent shells... i'd see burned areas and shot-up trees. by the time i got to high school, my brother had a tube similar to this.... but live, traded atari games for it. do a search of the tacoma news tribune archives for 'recovered stolen military gear' there were stories nearly every week in the early 80's.

I don't understand the issues people have with buy back programs. If someone no longer wants their gun, let them turn it in. As stated in the article, I would rather have them turning it in then selling it to god knows who on the street. I live in Seattle, and nobody is taking anyone guns away, I still have mine. The part that concerns me is people selling for cash to anyone in line. If I sold my guns its only to someone with a CPL.

People must be really desperate for money handing over their freedom to the warden.

This is sensationism at its best by the media.

They "wet" their pants when a NON FUNCTIONAL- SINGLE USE STINGER SHOWS UP...................

Ignorance of the anti-gun people are amazing.....

WAIT until someone shows up in a NON FUNCTIONAL WWII Patton Tank..........

FIENSTIEN WILL have more bills to shove down our throats...... and the media will cream in their pants for it...........

Why sell them to the police? Some of those guns are worth WAYY more money than what they are giving for them! THAT is one of the reasons they shouldn't sell them also, WTH.... They said "the people were just happy to get the guns off the streets"????? Are you kidding me!!!! Are you trying to insinuate the these people turning in guns were criminal types that might be in gangs or the same person that would shoot up a school or convienience store??? They are crazy and people are just stupid and they are hoping for the same follow the crowd sheep mentality to take hold just like people voting in the presidential election! They think if they tell you other people are turning in their guns then you will feel like you need to. Do you think criminals are going to do that? If anyone believes that then you are mentally handicapped and need to turn yourself into the nearest phyco ward! Seattle is the weirdest place on the planet! These people think we should all sit around high and having sex with animals, am I going to follow their lead.... uhhh NO!

sikchimp, I have to agree with MMM CuPcakes I too was stationed at Ft. Lewis, and you are full of @!$%#. Whether or not anything was staged, I can't say, but you have NEVER seen a loaded stinger tube outside of a military base or op, I'm willing to bet you've never seen one outside of TV or news, ever (I'm willing to say the samething about your live grenade comment). Even qualified and specialized US Troops rearly see live Stingers and grenades outside of combat, Live explosives are kept well guarded under lock and Key, and arn't shown to people outside of command.

I have no problem with buy back programs. If people want to turn in their guns for a gift card or cash that is their prerogative. I do have a problem with sensationalizing stories like this by pushing the fact that a harmless empty missile tube was turned in. I bet the owner laughed about it all the way home. The launch tube that was turned in is for an anti aircraft man portable missile. Thousands of these things were used and are still being used in Iraq and Afghanistan. Hundreds are used for training exercises here every year. It is not uncommon for a spent stinger or laws tube to end up as a souvenir or war trophy of someone returning from combat. After awhile they lose their appeal and end up being sold, most often to pawn shops or military surplus shops. The point is that they are quite common and also quite harmless. Now if a live one were brought in or a fully automatic weapon was turned in that would be news! Unfortunately that will never happen as the only people interested in owning full auto weapons are either weapons collectors/enthusiasts or criminals, neither of which will give up their full auto weapon without a fight!

So this what it's all about, GUN CONTROL! The second is there to protect the US citizens from a "Tyrannical" Govt. These actions by the Govt. are exactly why the founding fathers put them in the constitution. There are a LOT of "NON FUNCTIONAL" weapons made by the Govt. approved by the Govt. out there for private sales. It is supposed to be "We the people", NOT "We the Govt."! POWER is what Politicians are all about. POWER over the "Subjects", and you the people are playing right into their hands just like supporting these things by the Govt. We do NOT live in a perfect world, so there are going to be some people out there that will do wrong things. But lets NOT put them in Govt. to rule US. The news media should be held accountable for their actions of reporting thing falsely, AND, for giving people their 5 minutes of fame by airing these "Shootings", and not airing what the Govt. is sneaking into law against US.

I don't know either way about this particular case, but I grew up with a guy who has an RPG launcher and several RPGs that work, and no, he is NOT a law-abiding citizen. That's just one small community in Mississippi. Who knows how many more are out and about. Of course, not too many people have been killed stateside with RPGs... It's mostly handguns.

No kiddin. A one time fire, used wall hanger. Big deal. I still say that was worked in there along with the appropriate photo op. If someone is dumb enough to fall for it, you can't blame the guy that pulled the wool. Heck, if I owned a gun that was junk and didn't fire, I'd sell it to a fool for $100 too.

People are all up in arms when an alleged stinger shows up in civilian, non military hands, but stay silent when it's announced 10,000, far more lethal drones will be patrolling soon in a neighborhood near you.

When will people stop letting the government think for them?

I had a friend working at a gun turn in, he was saying while alot looked rare and expensive but under closer inspection most all the guns where broken, plugged wall hangers, nonfunctional knock offs or or too old to use current ammo. The few that where functioning where turned in by mostly family people that bought cheap guns for self defense.

Funny enought, real ARs and AKs don't make these buy backs (The cheap chinese and other knock offs make it all the time), most all of the time they are giving the bonus money because the gun looks vaguely like a military rifle (I.e the ruger ranch rifle that looks kinda like a M1 Carbine, but not even close to the same). Real ones go for $1K+ are in massive bemand right now

I think people that have an issue think that the gun buy back may have been funded with city money, it wasn't, and that if the goal was to reduce violence then using money on a gun buy back program is a horrible waste as there is no indication it does anything. But that being said, since the money was privately donated, I don't really care. It is a good PR event for the police and the mayor though.

Everyone here needs to remember that while the whole idea of a buy back program and the weapons they garner are for the most part genuine, the propaganda value is huge. They can take the information and use it to bolster the agenda.

The best and most believable lie is that which contains a small kernel of truth.

So while this may all seem like a square deal, it is also being used to acclimate more of our society to the idea of forfieting their guns. Keep chipping away guys, and the rest of you keep playing along. When your ability to defend your freedom is gone, and the propagandists start convincing you that to throw your neighbor under the bus is a good thing, you will see the fruit of your actions.

Numbers do not lie, but politicians do; and your emotions make you believe them.

For all of you individuals who think that the gun is the issue in this country, take a look around you and come up with the next solution to solving the violence and crime in this country once guns are banned. The people who would rape, rob, and murder you and your families are still going to be there. Altruistic ideologies will do nothing for you then. Would be tyrants will always exist, and they will have the higher hand should they decide to exert their desires.

So you all can think whatever you want. I prefer to be suspicious of anyone who wants to convince me to forfeit my means of protecting myself.

These are facts:

NO rifle of ANY kind used in sandy hook. Only 4 hand guns were found with the shooter.
since 2000 - approximate average of 9,500 gun murders annually.
400 by rifle of any kind
7,500 by hand gun.
The remainder by shotguns and such.

48% of ALL crimes in the U.S. committed by gang bangers.
As high as 90% in some cities, regions, and communities.
Gun crimes are an even higher percentage.
Primary weapon of choice? The hand gun.

Yet the only thing you hear about through the propaganda machine and from the anti gun lobbying politicians are Assault weapons bans and high capacity magazines. Assault styled semi automatic rifles have been used in less than 1% of all gun murders. Why are they the focus? Perhaps the fact that this country is socially f-cked up should be the focus.

You are correct Bayze, it staged and with media hype to boot!!!

around 1985, a man was arrested near enumclaw, wa (not too far from the base) with something like ten steel shipping containers full of stolen arms from ft lewis. truck-mounted machine guns, hundreds of cases of ammo, grenades, explosives, and tons of other banned stuff. around the same time, a boy scout was injured severely when he found a live grenade in the woods on base- he thought it was a dead smoke grenade. in 1991, after a small time drug dealer was arrested, the search of his home led to the discovery of a couple of cases of live grenades and a few 'tube-type' live rockets (whatever was a generation or two behind stingers...the name laaz rocket rings in my ears, but a google search says my memory is playing with me...)

while i sincerely hope and believe that the army and air force do a much better job at containment now than they used to, the fact that you were stationed there does absolutely nothing for me. that drug dealer with the grenades? he lived upstairs from me, i watched all that get carted out. this kinda thing was pretty common, way too common, back in the 70's and 80's. truly don't believe me? seriously, go to the tacoma news tribune, and do some archival work... i remember at least a story a month back then in the papers about something recovered where it wasn't supposed to be.

I wish someone would stage a gun "buyback" near me. I'd take my dads old 22 revolver that had the firing pin removed because it wasn't safe to shoot. I'd laugh all the way to the bank. $100.00 for a pound of scrap. What a deal.

The government wants to have stricter gun control. The idots at Seattle police department proved that stricter gun conrol doesn't work and won't work. The article didn't say how many guns that were sold from private individuals to other private indiduals. Some could of been sold to a person with mental problems. That idot might go kill someone, then anti gun people and certain politicians will say we need stricter gun laws. We can't stop the drugs and will not be able to stop sale of illegal guns if thay ban guns.

They've been having these buy back events all around the country every so often for a while now. Does anyone really know where the arms go after they are sold / turned in???

My 2 cents...

It’s not a stinger missile; it’s the older Red Eye missile system. This particular one appears to be what we called a Tracking Head Trainer (THT). You can tell by the gold square at the end of the launch tube. The fact that it also has a yellow square (Live round) in the front means that it was somehow tampered with/
changed. It’s is a completely inert weapon used for training back in the 70’s. The only way you could hurt someone would be to hit them over the head w/ it.

"He added that the private sales of the missile launch tube and other weapons illustrate the need for comprehensive background checks as proposed by President Barack Obama, as well as other regulations at the state level".

In this case, my opinion is that background checks play no role / absolutely would not prevented this. The individual who initially received this had a secret security clearance.

The interesting irony is the fact that a weapon that is illegal for average Joe to own in the first place showed up at a gun buy back program. How many people here need more definitive proof that the laws that are already on the books are not being enforced.

But of course more laws and deeper levels of BS will make things all better. At least for criminals that don't give a rats @#$ about laws anyway.

While I would like them to track down and find out how this made it into a civilian's hands, this is more sensationalism and hype than anything. This launcher no longer works, one and done, and is most likely why it made it out, but it should've been disposed of properly and their is a need to follow up and make sure that there isn't a greater issue allowing actual live military weapons to go MIA and why the rules weren't being followed/enforced (one of the biggest problems we have right now, but the patchwork of differing laws does nothing to make it any easier either).

Otherwise essentially what happened here is someone paid $100+ for a metal tube. That is all. Just another scare tactic to incite the ill informed. The weapon component of this assembly is not present so unless you are going to beat someone over the head with it nothing was accomplished with this particular piece being brought in. Perhaps it would make a nice conversation piece or turned into a table lamp, but that is all.

It is time

I wrestled a giraffe to the ground with my bare hands.

A launcher is NOT illegal for someone to own! They sell these type of things in army surplus stores all over the country. You can by grenades and huge body size rockets and bullets. They are just like this launcher "INERT"!!! Why can't you people read???????????????? That is the reason this country is so screwed up! You don't know what your talking about, you hear one little part and run with it!

Sikchimp you're FOS.

Does anyone really know where the arms go after they are sold / turned in???

Some more than likely wind up as "drop guns".

Julieann, do you know how to read? "nonfunctional missile launcher" is right in the FIRST LINE of this story. This tube cant even be called a Missile Launcher any more as it is a SINGLE USE Missile system. It fires the 1 missile which is built into it, and it is then useless, a big paper weight which CAN NOT BE RELOADED... Please educate yourself and dont pick apart a story to make it fit your awful ideology. This was most likely utilized by a US Army Unit for training and then brought home by some soldier as a show off peice to show his/her buddies. It was not of any danger to any civilians...

actually, david, it was most likely taken off the base. ft. lewis/mcchord is about 30 miles south of seattle. i used to camp there as a kid, and we found ALL kinds of stuff....miles of comm wire, smoke grenades, dummy and live ammo... and if you really wanted something fun, well, hang out around the bars just off base- in my early 20's, i hung with a 'bad crowd'... more than once i saw what was clearly stolen military stuff...

and i'm not so sure that the fact that this thing doesn't function means that it should be in some guy's closet....

Dave that's a big scary pipe. Without a missile you could beat some one to death with it. Not sure why still controlled item, use to be for the electronics but since we gave these to the Afghanistan's Mujaheddin in the 80s (enemy of our enemy is our friend) which didn't work out to well. China, Russia and god knows who else makes a copy.

could shoot big spit balls with it if you had all the hot air these gov. people have

Who doesn't believe there are weapons out there? No one is suprised that someone would have such a weapon. YOU are the one that is lost here! For one thing they said "INERT" launcher. Just in case you don't know the meaning here it is. Inert - Synonyms
1. immobile, unmoving, lifeless, motionless. 4. See inacti

They sell hand grenades and 3 foot long bullets at army surplus stores all over the country. They only sell "inert" items. They are made unusable before they sell them! We have a WW11 hand grenade. There is nothing inside of it. It has a hole drilled in it! There are people that own TANKS!!! What do you think about that? Privately owned tanks! Quit freaking out over nothing!

Julieann,

They are harmless! Once they are used they are thrown away! They cannot be reloaded without being returned to the factory to be recycled! They are not a big deal! If you know someone with a live Stinger Tube in their possession, then call the cops, because they have it illegally and it is dangerous.

This used rocket launcher can't even be fired. There is nothing dangerous about it. Some people collect military junk. The only thing concerning is if it has secret army technology, but as far as a weapon, a baseball bat is more dangerous. That thing looks too big to even swing at anyone and I don't think it would be easy to conceal under a coat.

It's interesting that the gun buyback programs are turning into gun shows. It's good to know that people who are too stupid to figure out how to sell a gun at a gun shop for three times what they get at these programs are turning them in. They shouldn't have guns if they have mental issues.

Well, last year around 26,000 people got killed in car accidents. Were there any restrictions on any vehicle type or sale of liquor/Alcohol? Did we go to DC for a March to ban cars/suv’s/Alcohol? Majority of these people (anti gunners) have not seen consequences of disarmed nation, folks are very ignorant and did not
learn any lesson from history.

just more typical sensational headline journalism. this is the equivalent of taking in a used fireworks tube and getting national headlines. its a one time use disposable. sounds good in headline though when your all about ratings, huh NBC? might as well drag an old military tank from a nearby park down to the cops, then plaster big headlines up proclaiming heavy military artillary at police gun roundup. Shameful reporting--- shameful editor for approving such BS.

line up the sheeple---- lets all follow the ratings driven media to sensational headline la la land !!!

Niece. The news media have to freak out. That is how they push their agenda on the low info people that are more interested in Honey Poo Poo than the world around them. Look at us!! We're heroes!! We paid $200.00 for a useless four foot piece of pipe!! We kept you safe!! Better institute background checks before anyone can purchase plumbing supplies, keep useless pipe out of the wrong hands.

No, its people like YOU (Julieann) that are scared of their own shadow and believe everything you hear that are the problem! Let me get this straight. Someone you know bought a non weapon off of ebay or craigslist and got a real weapon, they called the police to come take away the scary object before it randomly started attacking people? LOL!!!!!!! If this happened then this other person is just as clueless as you are. There is no way you could convince me that someone would send me a loaded gun in the mail and all I ordered was a lamp! Your funny! Also, did you ever think to ask the person that had this "thing" in the basement if it was operable? You need to go inside an army surplus store. Anyone can buy stuff there and they have hundreds of grenades and shells as big as a man that you can buy but they all have one thing in common.... they are "INERT" just like the article said! They are made unusable by the military! Stop being such a Chicken Little!

He's doing that whole conceal / carry thing wrong!

sikchimp - Why would you say that you don't think that just because a launcher doesn't work or rocket that it shouldn't be in someones closet? You explain how it hurts someone or how it could hurt someone then you can say that but your really sounding crazy to me! In another post your are ratteling off incidence where big weapons busts went down and your happened to live there. What are you Forest Gump? You were there for all of them, saw it yourself, lived beneath it, walked through fields of ammo and what else?

Sikchimp is one of the many Sheeple in this country.. he feels an Empty tube is dangerous... The ONLY way i could see that being dangerous now is if you beat someone with it.. But then its just as dangerous as a Baseball Bat.. its useless and is basically junk.. As I stated, It was probably snuck off base by a Soldier after it was fired in training, or it was a training Aid used to train soldiers how to use them and was stolen by a soldier to show off to his/her buddies. Aside from the legalities of how it ended up in someones closet, this thing is absolutely harmless and was of no danger to anyone...

The sad thing is the general uneducated individual will see this story and freak out thinking that these are out and about within America... The ignorant simply pick apart a story and find the info that fits their ideology.. Never mind the truth..

no, the sad thing is that there ARE some of these out there that are fully functional. maybe not as bad as it used to be...my dad's buddy came back from viet nam with all kinds of cool stuff...but some of it still gets around. and if you are a vet, you know this. things go missing. usually benign stuff like ammo crates and spent launcher tubes, but not always. this is no secret- i've seen current issue military gear at guns shows. i'm no gun ban fan, but it's time there was an honest dialog, and some patrolling our own.

Again full of @!$%#

really? from someone who wasn't there, and who was probably one of the @!$%#s in those dive bars at ponder's corner, looking to sell their gear to the first joker who would buy them a drink....

The point was to illustrate what was out there, not whether or not it was functional.

Big difference between "current issue military gear at guns shows" and a new M4. Not to concerned about latest helmet, clothing, packs and stuff then an M9 Beretta stamped property of USA.

maybe someone will get beat to death with it....

They "illustrated" an empty pipe. Next you will want them to go get the empty 3 inch brass shell casing granddad brought back and used as an ashtry.

sikchimp,

Please shut TFU; your throwin' out so much BS we've got to wear waders to post on this site! Your biggest lie is that you're "no gun ban fan", so don't even try the "I'm one of your own" crap; we don't hang with RATS!

I'm not a banner. it would be pointless. that ship sailed a long time ago. i have a .40 cal glock, and a couple .22 winchester rifles i take my boys out to shoot at targets with. i just hate the gun fetish crowd. i went to that buyback to pick someone up, but got interested and looked around some. the vast majority of the guns there were junk, old .32 pistols and beat up revolvers, but there was some cool @!$%# there, too. i just think that anyone who thinks EVERYONE should be armed hasn't met enough people to make a truly informed decision

sikchimp,

You have personally seen live stinger missiles in public hands? Did you bother to call the authorities? I personally don't believe you at all.

I don't think everyone should be armed and I don't think the majority of the people should be armed, but I do think that it is our constitutional right to be armed if we so desire! Not everyone can be trusted with the responsibility of owning a firearm, and I am not against screening but there are limits that we should impose on how intrusive the screening can be.

sikchimp...so if you've seen these weapons at gun shows....did u contact the authorities since owning an operable missile launcher or full auto weapons require special checks/permits. Anyone at a legit gun show wouldn't just have this stuff out for anyone to see unless they had the appropriate permits and if they didn't they might have it but it would be in the "back room" and you would have to know someone who knows someone to get into the "back room" to purchase.....they aren't going to sell it off the table....so Im with the others who said you're full of ##&^&*^

The "ignorant" being scared is more like it!

There is no such thing as a "permit" to own full auto or military weapons. To own NFA weapons, one must submit an ATF form-4 and $200.00 for the tax stamp. The full-auto firearms must be manufactered before May 1986 to be owned by civilians.

sikchimp, I gotta ask, "How many times have you seen bigfoot?"

I don't have a sign on my house that says guns inside, I would surely be robbed or shot.

while anything is possible, at this buyback, there were dozens of guys trying to buy guns from people in the crowd for cash, sometimes for MUCH more than they would get from the police. (some of them were rude and jeering...but not all, by any means.) i was there, and saw it. i got the feeling that the vast majority of the people there honestly wanted the guns in their possession off the streets, and out of their homes. and, as a gun owner, i think that is probably a good thing. if someone not only doesn't want a gun anymore, but doesn't know enough about one to know how to get the most value out of it, they probably shouldn't have one.

sikchimp

Gun training course:

1. point

2. shoot

3. repeat as needed.

Also great way to get rid of guns used in crimes.

Sikchimp. You just said word for word the stupidest comment that I read in this article and you could NOT be very smart to have said it! You said these people were just happy to get these weapons off the streets! WTH! If these are upstanding citizens that are worried about the streets they would never have harmed anyone to begin with! These guns were not going to getup in the middle of the night and rob a store by themselves! These guns were NOT on the streets if they were in these peoples homes! Totally ignorant comment in the article and by you!

I'm actually starting to think Sikchimp is a PLANT! They think if there is someone that is trying to pretend to love guns and standing up for our rights is on here jumping into everyones comments is going to sway people! This is the new way to get peoples attention. They know this is all bull and they need inside help to convince people to turn to the dark side! Who better to use then someone that is actually promoting this with every word???? Stop acknowleding him! Your not talking to the sheep here!

hysterical! love the 'vast conspiracy' stuff...THEY think...a PLANT. not hardly. what's not so funny is that it is so hard for some people to believe that everyone else doesn't think like them. not everyone who owns a gun thinks the 'gubamint' is coming to take them away, and not everyone who argues for some reasonable measures to protect the innocent wants them to. (personally, i think it's impossible to take guns from americans- too much protest, too many ruby-ridge/waco type encounters that will end badly for everyone involved...i kinda think if they tried to, it would be the end of the Union as we know it.) me, anti-gun? no, i took an NRA-run safety course at scout camp before they went bat@!$%# crazy (the NRA and Scouting) i've owned guns ever since. but i've seen alot of stupid and crazy @!$%# over the years. my only gun agenda is to promote safety, responsibility, and accountability. believe what you want.

sikchimp=RAT

actually, at this one, some people refused the gift cards offered, and quite a few got turned in after the money ran out. was kind of amazing to see, people motivated by simply the desire to do the right thing. agree with them or not, was very cool.

your 1800s guns are sure the ones that are killing all the people

Most 1800 are antiques. Sell at gun show. Ever see how much an 1864 Springfield goes for.

Sikchimp! DO THE RIGHT THING? You need to start making sense here buddy! I seriously think you are a plant now! Not everyone is stupid! Why is this doing the right thing? You said you had guns, did you turn yours in? Your full of it!

I don't think the mexican cartels would be interested in your black power weapons. LOL

Ya written back when all they had was muskets... People like you should be stripped of all your weapons and thrown in a padded room...

Actually the gangbangers are the problem...... along with the drug trade & prostitution that they bring with them.

They always get guns through illegal means, do drive by's not hitting their target, but everyone else in the area- AND THE MEDIA BLAMES THE GUNS and the normal people who follow procedure to obtain them.

OBAMA DID NOT MENTION ONCE THE GANGBANGERS and or people ON BIG PHARMA DRUGS SHOULD NOT OWN GUNS.

Chicago alone has 500+ deaths from the GANGS that control the streets. and NEW YORK is looking to follow suit and ramp up the body count.

Sad that a gun gets blamed and not the people that do wrong with them..... ON MSN YOU WILL NEVER SEE A PERSON USING A GUN THAT SAVES SOMEONE- just does not fit their political agenda.

Dan35oz should be the one shipped to China. Cleary you have problem with the Constitution of the US. IF you don't like the Constitution of the US, espeically about the 2nd amendment, then maybe you should get the super marjority, as required by law, to change it. Ratification is required if the populace feels a particular amendment or right should not exist for the people. Funny we say for the people by the people but liberals abbhor that. Since an amendment change will not happen, to many know their history and rights, move to another country that has effective gun control. Clearly you are not happy with US citizens keeping their rights. Maybe while we at it we should: outlaw airplanes they can be used to kill effectively. Car bombs lets do away with cars, mass transit for all. Next time someone makes a huge bomb out fertilizer lets out law that as well. Then lets round up anyone that speaks favoriably about our Constitutional rights and put them in detention camps. After awhile we can resort to using them for new human drug testing. Our Constitution exists for reason and there is biographies, court cases, and books by the founders as to why each amdenment existed. They intended for it to be living a document changed by the will of the people not the will of the super rich and elite. 2nd Amendment was challenged in 1829 or so and was found to be for the people to keep the government honest. Not for hunting, for skeet shooting, not for fun shooting but about ensuring a fair form of government by the people for the people, and if necessary enforced by the people. Not that you can be bothered to check historical documents.

>>>>>dan350z Ya written back when all they had was muskets... People like you should be stripped of all your weapons and thrown in a padded room...

What difference does it make what type of gun they had when they wrote the Constitution?

So you being an anti-gunnist are saying that muskets that are designed to kill people are ok, but modern firearms are not ok? Sounds like double standards.....

So maybe the 1st amendment should be revised now that we don't use a quill and ink to write with. Freedom of speech has never been easier and faster, now with computers and the internet. Maybe our "High Capacity" keyboards "Semi Automatic spell checkers" are way to fast to share what we want to say, maybe our fingers are typing faster than our brains are capable of putting well thought out points together.

@JeffTibbs: What does the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) have to do with this? And no, the 2nd Amendment does NOT clearly state that "we should be able to have the same type of arms that are carried by our current infantry." The Second Amendment to the Constitution of the United States was ratified on 12/17/1791 and states VERBATIM: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." 

Holy crap you're ignorant. Please stop talking because you make gun owners like me cringe.

Thank god for places like Texas, Wyoming, Idaho and any other state that has the balls to support our founding fathers dreams and not give into this communist bull S__T!!

Rabble!

You mean you don't have a 40MM AA Gun in your back yard???? Hell I have a few, I'll just give you one with ammo. :)

I usually don't get caught up in these conversations, but I have correct info if anyone cares. The launch tube shown in this article is not a Stinger. It is a Redeye and is the predecessor of the Stinger. I personally fired many of these during my time in the military and after fired, they are worthless; they are not recycled or reloaded and are made of fiberglass, not metal. In combat we were instructed to run them over with our jeep to destroy them because soldiers like the Vietnamese might try to use them to fabricate some sort of mortar launcher or whatever.. During training exercises the expended tubes were turned back in as a part of missile accountability and if my memory serves me correctly, the military supply of Redeyes was exhausted in the 80's. The Stinger replaced it in the early 80's. The man who gave this up for a gift card got over. He got paid for something that was not even a weapon.