Ladies and Gentlemen, we've become the Wild West.

So you say, Creek. But can you PROVE it?

Cant they learn to keep their guns holstered in Arizona. They have extremely liberal gun laws there.

(who let the criminal have the gun in the first place?) NO probably a felon that tried to legally go through the hoops like his fellow non felons....and obtained the gun with his concealed carry permit and background check huh....you guys crack me up.....

Oh lord here we go again!!! Same story same arguments form both sides.

Background checks are a wonderful thing if you intend to buy a gun. I have no problem with being checked out since I have nothing to hide. If it can stop one person from killing then we should atleast try it. It won't stop all or even most probably but it's worth a shot (no pun intended). Other types of gun control I am hearing about just seem completely pointless though.

Smoke if you've got 'em...

If I were the dipstick's lawyer. This is what I would tell the judge: The gun didn't make the man do it. Things were set in motion because of the volatile mix of sour cream and hot sauce in his Taco Bell order. It sent him over the edge. The gun was a victim of circumstances. Wrong place. Wrong Time.

wryobserver -

I ran out. Can I bum a few? Trade you some popcorn and mead.

my gun is not illegal...just undocumented...there fore that law can't be executed...and you can't take it away it just here to protect me...it was snuck in to the country to make it's self a better life...LOL

Good time to buy stock in Kevlar...

This is America. You turn on your TV or computer device to get the weather, the gun deaths, drink your coffee and YAWN.......

Why get alarm if you walk into a hornet's nest and see what happens.

This is America...........

@don of the rockies "when the great revolution breaks out" Time to loosen that tin-foil hat you're wearing.

cory1980

Good time to buy stock in Kevlar...

#1.23 - Wed Jan 30, 2013 3:08 PM EST

Now Cory is really thinking outside the box.

Thanks for the tip dude! ;-)

If you wanted to kill someone, which tool would you pick?

If you wanted to kill two people, which tool would you pick?

Well ladies and gentlemen, the responses have been tallied and the answer is, a gun.

That's right, a gun is the tool that most people would use to kill.

The Right Tool for the Job!

Norskejente,

Or does there 2nd Amendment rights give them carte blanche to do as they please no matter who gets killed. As far as I'm concerned making sentences for criminals who use guns in their crimes does not prevent them from killing others. It is after the fact instead of prevention.

Does the 21st amendment, repealing prohibition, give drinkers carte blanche to do as they please and drink and drive no matter who gets killed? As far as I'm concerned making sentences for criminals who drink and drive does not prevent them from killing others. It is after the fact instead of prevention.

I don't mean to make light of any of this @!$%#. But You know for real. Some 70 year old Lady just got stabbed to death god rest her soul over here in my state Of New Hampshire. But i don't hear any of this political chatter bull @!$%# of outlawing any sharp instruments of destruction. Come on you sheep the guns aren't the problem. The frigin psychos who are toting them are. If you left a gun on the kitchen table and never touched It wether It be an automatic weapon with a million round clip or a pistol that gun would never do any damage Its only when some Mentaly deranged Idiot handles It It causes Issues. I dislike the Radicals

Deprogrammer lets check the math. You say that Arizona is loose with their gun laws and Connecticut is stricter. 3 wounded 0 dead in Arizona, 26 dead 0 wounded in Connecticut. Just exactly what was the point you where trying to make again. The laws are pretty much the same for each State except Connecticut bans assault weapons. Did not seem to make a difference to the gunman what the law says, they plan on breaking the law anyways so what difference does it make to break a few more, most of the time they don't plan on surviving the attack anyway.

That is the nature of laws.

Law > crime > apprehension > punishment (it is certainly not a foolproof chain.)

Do all the laws passed against drunk driving prevent it from happening?

iknowzero -- the same thing happens in other countries every day. In some countries that have the most restrictive gun ownership laws, other weapons are used. In England, they attempted to ban knives because more people were being killed with knives than in the U.S. with guns. England has most lient Immigration Laws and now thew have the Illegal immigrants attacking the British Citizens with knives. The information is available by reading ANY British Publication. The English have had an O'Bama Care Health System for years and you can read about people who die from things like Ear Infections because of the Health Care they get with the English Version of O'Bama Care. The British are now attempting to change their Health Care System to what the U.S. had BEFORE O'Bama. They are also revamping their Entitlement Programs because too many people are expecting the Government to support them and people are refusing to work and pay taxes when they get everything free -- just like O'Bama. If there had been another person in the Lobby with a weapon, the shooter would be dead and not a burden on the tax payer.

@ JoeB and don of the rockies. This is from "List of countries by firearm-related death rate." Per capita rates for firearm homicides by country:

Country
Homicides

El Salvador
50.36

Jamaica
47.44

Honduras
46.70

Guatemala
38.52

Swaziland
37.16

Brazil
18.10

Mexico
14.00

Colombia
10.00

Panama
9.92

Philippines
9.46

Paraguay
7.35

Nicaragua
7.14

Zimbabwe
4.75

United States
3.60

Costa Rica
3.32

Uruguay
3.24

Argentina
3.00

Barbados
3.00

Chile
2.20

Montenegro
2.06

So you are correct. There we are, only number 14 highest in the world. Right between Zimbabwe and Costa Rica. How proud you must be.

OhMy999999

Ladies and Gentlemen, we've become the Wild West.

Gun violence has decreased by half over the last 20 years. Try to keep up.

mpa-4893349 - Creek Dog doesn't have to prove anything, I have been a gun owner for more than 40 years and have never shot or killed anyone. So you and all the other anti-gun nuts want to take away my right to own a gun because some people blow a gasket. News flash if someone wants to kill more than one person it can be done without a gun so then what. Get real guns don't kill people kill using guns so why are people going off the deep end these days, let's look at DC and congress. There the one's that allowed all the manufacturing jobs to leave this nation for cheep labor oversea. Cost of living quadropled and wages have not even doubled. No jobs bills to pay, stress, family to care for add it up and there's your problem not guns.

And evidently you can't use the word "wiki ped ia" on these boards.

Mexico has strict gun laws, and we all know how well that has worked for the citizens killed by the heavily armed and corrupt policia and drug cartels:

"In 1971, Article 10 of the present Constitution was reformed^[11] to limit the right to keep arms within the home only (in Spanish: ...derecho a poseer armas en su domicilio...) and reserved the right to bear arms outside the home only to those explicitly authorized by law (i.e. police, military, armed security officers). The following year, the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives came into force^[12] and gave the federal government complete jurisdiction and control to the legal proliferation of firearms in the country; at the same time, heavily limiting and restricting the legal access to firearms by civilians. (my bold)

As a result of the changes to Article 10 of the Mexican Constitution and the enactment of the Federal Law of Firearms and Explosives, openly carrying a firearm or carrying a concealed weapon in public is virtually forbidden to private citizens, unless explicitly authorized by the Secretariat of National Defense (SEDENA). For purposes of personal protection, firearms are only permitted within the place of residence and of the type and caliber permitted by law."

Do all the laws passedDrunk driving against drunk driving prevent it from happening?

It's still happening, but there's less of them since the laws got tougher.

• Remember --- guns make us safe. That's why the US is the safest nation on the planet.

I have to laugh at those who thinks this type of event wouldn't be news in other countries and that only our "Liberal media" reports these things to "further their cause". Shootings are news in all but dictator countries, and our numbers are staggeringly higher than anywhere else. I agree we are the "wild, wild West". In some people's minds, we have never gotten away from being cowboys. Maybe the cause is too many Westerns on TV glorifying all this. But in any case, we have to find a way to stop it. Some of you are going to have to find something else to sleep with than that cold, hard metal you love so much.

Murders and violent crime has decreased almost 50% in the last 20 years yet no one seems to care about this. Not to mention in merry old England the amount of violent crime per 100,000 people is WAY higher then in america. Not to mention MOST of the crime comes from highly populated areas (Over 250,000) people of which america has a lot more of them merry ol' england explain again how guns are the root of all evil?

We are NOT the safest country on the planet - we are you getting your unfacts? America is not even in the top 5. Norway, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland and Japan are the top 5 - and Japan has some of the tightest gun control in the world.

So you and all the other anti-gun nuts want to take away my right to own a gun because some people blow a gasket...

Check your meds, retired disabled vet. No one's said that at all. If you can't read maybe you should opt out of the conversation.

Bruce you must be responding to someone elses post, but to respond to yours, you seem to be forgetting all the other people killed in Arizona by guns, does the Giffords shooting ring a bell? yes this one instance only people were shot but how many are shot on a daily basis in Arizona?

Arizona’s gun violence death rate is among the highest in the nation. Arizona ranks 10th out of the 50 states in its rate of violence-related gun deaths. (Violence refers to suicides, homicides, and legal intervention.) Arizona’s violence-related gun death rate of 14.7 per 100,000 was considerably higher than the national rate of 9.9 per 100,000.

Shar J

We are NOT the safest country on the planet - we are you getting your unfacts? America is not even in the top 5. Norway, New Zealand, Denmark, Ireland and Japan are the top 5 - and Japan has some of the tightest gun control in the world.

Shar, check out the statistics from the Home Office for England and Wales. Youd find that despite the overwhelming anti gun laws in England and Wales but they have a higher "Violent Crime Rate" than the USA.

Checkmate.

Once, again, here is another one of the NRA's, "law abiding citizens" at work with a gun used on helpless, innocent people. Wake up America! Guns are only for this country's punks and cowards who can't stand on their own as an authentic, real man or adult. They're just sissys hiding behind their guns, forsaking our children for want of worshipping their guns. They are immature, immoral idiots.

Davey-526272, could it possibly be that the enforcement of drunk driving laws has also increased unlike the current enforcement of existing gun laws where we are told that we currently do not have the time or manpower to enforce the existing laws?

MEDIA DRIVEN AGENDA GOING ON......

Guns are their focus now........SO EVERY STORY WILL BE ABOUT A GUN -typical media.

dog with a bone running in cirlces.

What the media is not reporting is:

960 fatal auto accidents over the last day (entire USA).......

64 people raped.......

1100 abortions performed.......

OH AND 3 PEOPLE SHOT AT OFFICE COMPLEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OH MY GOD. Gotta get the guns.............

They don't know what to do with the bone when they have it so EVERYTHING IS OVERPLAYED Until they are done.

wet90u0wer0[g(&^*&&*^%&*!!!!!

How many more have to die?

a whole bunch more...the world is over populated...

More people are going to die, untill they get the loonies off the streets, Does this help don't blame guns it's the person behind the gun. You cannot punish the majority for the actions of a few, I have an AR15 and i have never once had the urge to go out and kill hoards of people no matter how mad i got.

Some people are just plain stupid and crazy and need to be in a hospital not running around loose in the public.

Are we getting shootings everywhere in the past several weeks or what? All this in addition to our regular crime/drugs shootings we always had.

Do you gun nuts still see this as unimportant and something to keep joking about?

It beats anyone's logic!

Agree, I'm stunned by all the callous attempts at humor here, coming mainly from gun lovers. I view it as an attempt to get some distance between all those victims and a dogmatic position on the issue. They shouldn't be so afraid of the upcoming legislation; it's not going to affect them unless they each have an AK-47, are mentally ill or have a criminal record, OK? So, they should calm down and consider taking one for the team, the team being society. You know, all those people who go to school, or the mall, or to work and don't want to be fatally attacked.

Cheyelles:

We are getting more press about the gun violence, but it doesn't necessarily mean there has been an increase. How many other types of death; such as, drunk driving have been splashed on the front pages? Do you think drunk driving deaths and car accident deaths have disappeared? Not much is written about the family of 8 killed by a drunk driver.

It's a psychological ploy the government uses when they want to sway the country into their way of thinking (controlling) and removing/limiting citizen's rights. They do the same when they want to start a war. They used the press to convince people it was necessary to bail out those "too big to fail". It wasn't until after it was done and over that the people realized they'd just been ponzied.

Usage of the press by the government to control the masses is ongoing.

Jeffor

Check your meds, retired disabled vet. No one's said that at all. If you can't read maybe you should opt out of the conversation.

Well except of course this guy who says it on every thread-

takenaka

Ban handguns.

But who's counting right?

@ Jean

You found his membership card? jeesus

Gifford said, "too many children are dying". Why don't they take into consideration the 4,000

Children each day that are killed in the abortion clinics? If they are so worried about death, why

not this? If a pregnant woman has a vehicle accident in which she is killed, they charge who was

at fault with two deaths... Want it both ways, all the time..

He was probably a law abiding citizen and today he's a criminal. See how that works?!?

But you know, it's almost like the universe is conspiring against the NRA.

Face it liberals, you cannot protect everyone from others, everything, and themselves, it is impossible.

Evil happens, like it or not, it cannot be controlled by legislation, but can be controlled only by the individual. Since you condone nihilistic morality, this is what you get. Isn't it sweet? (not!)

Let go of the nanny attitude toward your 'babies' (other people), you don't know what's best for them.

RtzLow.. typical conservative. You'll say this until it's your kid, family member of kid and then you will call for the government to do something.

If Gun laws were the way to go, why is Chicago full of this crime every day? Chicago has the strictest

gun laws and it keeps on happening.. The criminal will find or build a weapon. Why would you allow

anyone to take away your right to protect yourself...

If I am in my home and someone breaks in, I want my protection...

@ Liberalsarecommies Dude, United Kingdom is ranked 67 out of 75 countries for per capita firearm homicides. The United States firearm homicide rate is 90 times that of the United Kingdom. Get your facts straight or gtfo of here.

@deprogrammer-coming to this country Illegally is against the law,why dont we just do away with that law and give the Illegals amn(oh wait a minute PBO is about to).the crime rate in Arizona is high,for one reason,because of the Illegals

Maybe the cause is too many Westerns on TV glorifying all this.

LoL! Yeah, that's it. All these young guys today are watching too many "Westerns." Ha-ha! Try hip-hop and this macho sh*t our society and media is constantly praising and encouraging. John Wayne is hardly the problem nowadays...it's the urban crap.

Every tijme I read the comments on one of these gun violence stories, it is always the same. All of the gun nuts crying that "they're trying to take away our guns". With the exception of a few extremists, NO ONE wants to take away your d@mn gun! Seriously, get your facts straight. Neither are they aren't trying to round up your addresses so they can eventually take them away. They want to do what most of us want - try to prevent those with a mental or criminal history from getting guns. We all understand that this will not stop these people from illegally obtaining guns, but it won't be as easy as for them as walking into a gun store and picking one up, so they can run over to the local school and shoot the kids. Just as all of our laws, it is intened to increase accountability. Nothing short of mind control can prevent crime all together.

Hello folks, the constitution is the law of the land. If this administration wants to change the constitution there is a process to do that. Otherwise we don't have to comply with anything else. It would be unconstitutional.

differnet

RtzLow.. typical conservative. You'll say this until it's your kid, family member of kid and then you will call for the government to do something.

Bulls***, kids grow up and make their own decisions, we can only watch as they destroy themselves if that is what they desire.

If a person has a will to destroy their own lives, too bad, it is their choice.

2q3RtzL0w - kids grow up and make the choice to be an innocent victim of gun violence?

The amount of these stories that are popping up on the front page these days is astounding. I don't think trying to emotionalize the gun control debate is the right thing to do. They like to bring Gabby up a lot, for emotional impact. She was shot by a pistol, not an assault weapon.

The real problem is lack of parenting and the moral decay in our society. Maybe not, people have always shot people.

Instead of here "we go again", liberal vs. conservative labels, connect the dots and recommend sustainable solutions. The right to free speech, is not unlimited . Likewise, the right to keep and bear arms is not unlimited. Both are subjects to conversations and reasonable controls for the good of the majority. I for one recommend incorporating smart technologies in guns like those found in cell phones, pet tracking , smart toilets, mountain climbers safety gear, smart skis and the list goes on. For gun manufacturers, smart gun technologies would be an inexpensive value added feature that could make guns safer and easier to live with...move the conversation forward into the 21 century.

Retired Disabled Vet - you missed my point altogether. Creek Dog is known for his smart-ass wit, and I appreciate it and was playing to that.

I'm a life-long gun owner (since 17) and protector of the 2nd. You will see many of my posts indicating that.

Thanks for your service.

I'm not either political or into any ideology but I see posters here referring to liberals or conservatives as their main argument.

When kids or adults get shot at schools or anywhere else, the victims are both democrat and republican, liberal and conservative. You might not care when a family member gets shot and die or gets handicapped for life, but many people do.

We're losing loved ones, and Americans, not members of any group or ideology and we need to stop the problem one way or the other, but fast.

@differnet:

actually differnet, it was my grandmother, and if she had had a firearm she'd still be here, so shut the F8ck up.

differnet

RtzLow.. typical conservative. You'll say this until it's your kid, family member of kid and then you will call for the government to do something.

Sally Dianne Feinstein and company absolutely want to disarm America.. It would be a mind boggling feat to do so that's why they chip away with promises of results that have been proven to be false the last time they tried.. Feel good unconstitutional trash, the media is doing its best to make it sound far more out of control then it is.. With over 300 million people there are all kinds of bad things happening every day but allowing ourselves to be sucked in with propaganda and sensationalism is an eye opener..

WOW!!!

Every time I read these threads it amazes me to see some of the wild comments.. The posting way up towards the top that said to ban all weapons and kill any one who does not comply is on of the most out there comments I have heard.. It rates right up there with letting Obama rewrite the Constitution and mandatory death sentences for gun owners whose firearm is stolen and used in a crime by someone else.. The thought of a total confiscation and executions without trial is exactly what Stalin did when he erased millions of people.. This is the exact reason the guys that wrote the Constitution put in SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED into the Second Amendment.. An instant Constitutional civil war would break out and I see a death toll that would exceed 1 million people.. It would destroy this country as surely as trashing the Constitution so it is a no win situation any way you would slice it.. But it seems the mindless liberals are OK with that.. Freedom is far from free and in a free society stupid people will do stupid things.. The price that was paid throughout time for freedom was very high as was the price for letting it slip through their fingers..

@Chloe Just like if Adam Lanza's mom had a firearm she could have stopped Adam and she would still be here?

I think the article may have an error.

There is no Osborn Maledon PA office at 16th street and Glendale Avenue. Not anywhere on 16th street; also not anywhere along Glendale Avenue.

As a prior taxicab driver, I was wondering why stated location and law firm name were not registering in my head.

Clearly a case of self defense! The lawyer was trying to talk him to death during a mediation. Absolutely justifiable. Pushed over the edge by a legal system run amok!

@iknowzero: just 'cause you buy them doesn't mean you know how to use them, and she obviously hadn't taken seriously how ill he was. your freaking name is way too accurate.

Thanks for the PM Backcountry164,

I will take your offer of oral sex as a peace offering but will have to decline. While I appreciate the gesture, I am very much straight. I am flattered and even a little curious but feel it would be better if we refrained from giving in to desire at this stage of our relationship as I would not want to risk damaging our friendship - of which I have come to value very much.

This story wouldn't even make the back page of the of the Chicago tribune but the liberal press would like to event stories in the wild west, too funny. Lets compare gun deaths in liberal run cities against conservative ones, care to place a bet.

Greg Smith, not sure what you're smoking, but it's definitely enhanced your ability to BS.

"the crime rate in Arizona is high,for one reason,because of the Illegals"

Please, cite your source for that wonderful bit of misinformation. I live in AZ, and we have had more gun deaths each year over the last three years than deaths by auto accident, and it sure as hell isn't all because of illegal immigrants. Also, where do you think the cartels and "illegals" here in AZ are getting all of their guns? We have extremely lax gun laws here in AZ, and believe it or not, because of our idiotic lack of gun regulations here, LOTS of guns are bought here in AZ and make their way into Mexico (and into other states too) to be used to commit crimes! I see people here saying how places like Mexico and the city of Chicago have strict gun laws, but look what good it does them....which is really stupid when you think about it. Those strict laws in Mexico or the city of Chicago can only be so effective when they're bordered by US states with relatively weak gun laws.

Right around 40% of the guns purchased in this country are done so without even a background check or registration. Current federal law requires criminal background checks only for guns sold through licensed firearm dealers, which account for just 60% of all gun sales in the United States. A loophole in the law allows individuals not “engaged in the business” of selling firearms to sell guns without a license—and without processing any paperwork. That means that two out of every five guns sold in the United States change hands without a background check. My state of Arizona is a net exporter of guns recovered in crimes....so it's no wonder that with states like AZ selling guns to anyone with the cash to buy them, other state laws (or Mexico's) aren't as effective as they could be.

Also, our country's insane "war on drugs" is another reason for all of the violence on the border. If we just legalized marijuana in this country you'd see that violent crime along the border drop overnight, dramatically.

Cheyelles, you are a beautiful lady. However, like you, I am also distrustful of political parties, and not just the ones on the left or the right, either, for the middle and fringe are equally screwed up with their actions. If you want to truly do something about the situation, then you had better learn to use self-defense and weapons, including any kind of gun. This is an undeniable fact and not all people can or will listen to logic, reason, rationality, or to true moral principles in their lives. Finally, to takenaka, how well does this work in Japan? The criminals are the only ones that own your weapons now. The Yakuza and other criminal syndicates own the government as well as having their own criminal enterprises and you can also use other weapons, yes, even your own bodies, to kill numerous people, too. Add to the fact that people that try to believe in an unattainable sense of honor and truly OCD perfectionist behavior and you have yourself the highest suicide rate in the world, so, in that sense, are you not just as much of a murderer as the people that actually USE the guns and other weapons? You honestly need to seek professional help, quit trolling numerous articles and saying "ban handguns," and you need to take a proper dosage of one or more medications.

Chey...,

Nice post...really. Unfortunately a lot of people think the way to cure the patient is to amputate and can't imagine us ever needing those legs.

Wait...wait I can here it now. We should put armed guards in every office building in the country. Wow, 1410 gun deaths in the U.S. already and we are not even through the first month yet. Looks like we are going to break last years record of gun deaths by August this year. Although I have to admit, I love watching the rwnj's spinning themselves into the ground trying to deflect this issue. Guess what, the rational majority of Americans overwhelmingly want tougher gun control and so here it comes. By the way, that's exactly how a democracy works, the rational majority gets to make decisions regarding the country's future. Don't like it - I'll be glad to show you the door............

Truth hierarchy -----

----- Lies - Big Lies - Statistics -----

Guns in the hands of people kill people. If guns had no other purpose I'd agree with getting rid of all of them. But guess what, that train has left the station and it ain't coming back, ever. Guns are here and need to be here. Just look around the world and ask yourself a couple of real simple questions;

"Did the posting of all those hand gun owners on the internet, with a map of where they live, endanger them? Or, did it endanger those homes who were not shown as owners?"

If I lived in that area and my name was not shown, I'd be getting NRA stickers and plastering them all over my home and vehicles, and buying two guns!

G,

Rational majority? Thanks for the laugh...I needed that...I really really did need that. Please keep defending your side. If I could pay you to do it I would:)

Ban takenaka!

Okay, we have a winner...

culheath

I say we give anyone who owns a gun legal or not to turn them in to be melted down.

After that 30 day period anyone caught with a gun, irrespective of the type, is executed on the spot.

With what?? a gun??

For a guy (or gal) who wants to stop violence and murders, you have an bit of a conundrum here...

Thanks i needed a good laugh today.

Just some nutso with a gun. Forget about it. The NRA will take care of it.

The Founding Fathers put The Second Amendment in place to protect the people from a tyrannical government. Im not saying there is going to be a genocide committed against the people of this country tomorrow. What I am saying is that things are being put into place here that have been put into places in the past that has led to a number of the most heinous genocides that this world as ever seen. These are historical facts and if you do not believe them you may want to do some research on gun control and the genocides that have followed. If you cant rattle off at least five genocides of the past, that followed strict gun control, your knowledge level may need a quick update. The information is out there for those that actually want to find it. Far more children have been killed by tyrannical governments than by mentally ill people with assault weapons. Those numbers would not even be close. But its not about "for the children" it is about using a tragedy to grab power.

@CHUDD : Our Laws in New Mexico, bordering you as our neighbor AZ, are only a bit stricter. Gun dealers in stores are required to do background checks, but private sales between individals + gun shows don't have too.

Last year, the mayor of Columbus, NM; a border town to Mexico, as well as the Police Chief, a Village Trustee + 9 other residents were charged in a gun smuggling case. The town had to dissolve it's police dept + have the county sheriff's dept take over policing of this small border town. So much for gun control.

Hubbie + I are Air Force veterans who own guns. We support responsible gun ownership. Having been in the mental health field, there is no reliable way to predict who is going to "go off" on a shooting spree. I do believe, however, that there are warning signs, + I hope these are being collected by the police. I think that the FBI will be able to present us with a general "profile" of what a "stressed out" person does before going on a shooting spree.

takenaka

Ban handguns.

#1.58 - Wed Jan 30, 2013 4:56 PM EST

Hi taken. I see you reached deep into your 3 caption archives then copied and pasted #1.

I'll see your comment tomorrow on the next similar story. Please pick #3!?, I haven't seen that one in a day or two.

Take care OK?!

HaggAss, I mean VincentBlackSomething....sounds like you are someone who shouldn't own a gun. Now take your meds and go to your happy place

As the left leaning Independent I got 3 words for you, Ex Post Facto. Ex post facto laws are expressly forbidden by the United States Constitution in Article 1, Section 9, Clause 3. So if you want to ban guns, tough sh!t, it's illegal and no amount of crying and bitching can change that fact.

Get to the facts of what's going down, Mentally Ill people are getting their hands on weapons and doing bad things with them. What is your answer to that?

For about a year and a half here on the Vine there were lots of stories about people who were killed by illegal aliens drivers. They didn't have a driver's license, a lot of them were drunk when it happened, many of them were driving in turn lanes or going the wrong way down one way streets... the stories pointed out the lack of English comprehension and the inability of the illegals to understand the road signs in our country.

Many, many of the victims were small children and the stories were heartbreaking.

Instead of spurring our government into action to do something about the millions of illegals here in the country and provide better security at the border in an effort to protect the children of America and the citizens here, these people have been rewarded with citizenship on top of financial security via social services and educational advantages that American citizens are not allowed.

On the flip side, criminals who have abused the law involving firearms have managed to bring the wrath of anti gun fanatics to bear on legislators and are trying to make every citizen who has never violated the law bear the brunt of their "solution" to something they can't even acknowledge is the real problem....

that being, that the guns are already in circulation, that there are always going to be the aberrant shooting, and that the failure of the liberal courts and the justice system to address the gangs and their take-over of the low income areas of our cities and towns, and the willingness of our local elected officials to not allocate the funds for policing those low income areas, is the REAL problem.

I see a real irony here.

School shootings.... you aren't going to stop them with new gun laws. It's a new phenomenom of the times just like flash mobs and has to be addressed as a separate thing apart from gun control and if it isn't done in that vein we're setting ourselves up for failure.

screminmimi - Good post. You are soooo correct.

The Founding Fathers put The Second Amendment in place to protect the people from a tyrannical government.

That is not at all what the Second Amendment says. We can go back and forth on what someone who's been dead for 200 years might have MEANT to say, but in the end, the actual words of the amendment are what matters. Based on the actual text, it would seem to be more along the lines of having a militia that could fight back if the Brits came back to start a skirmish. Now that we have a fledgling, tiny actual military (supplemented by the National Guard), we don't need standing militias. The Second Amendment is actually woefully out of date before even taking into account the spectacularly different nature of weapons today from those present in 1790 when the thing was written. Literally everything it addresses has changed, yet the law has remained the same.

However, the Supreme Court has ruled in the past that Americans have the right to own guns, and that right is reasonably free from any restrictions, as we all see in the news on a near-daily basis. So relax. Your team won. But the price for that victory will sadly be borne by everyone, not just gun aficionados, and will be paid in blood... over and over and over again.

RDV - Thanks for your service. "if someone wants to kill more than one person it can be done without a gun".

It is easy enough to make explosives and kill multiple folks. It is done frequently in the turd world nations. So ban all weapons, and see who has the weapons. Man's heart is desperately wicked and this is a matter that can only be known by God Almighty. Until all people are regenerated by God's Spirit, we will continue to experience these tragic outbursts.

Anyone notice how many killings in the past week have involved older (age 60+) white men?

There's the guy that killed his doctor, the guy that killed the kid who pulled up in his driveway due to bad GPS info, the guy that killed the school bus driver, and this guy. I may be missing others...so many shootings!

I wonder how many of these 'gentlemen' are responsible gun owners with NRA membership cards in their wallets.

...and that the failure of the liberal courts and the justice system to address the gangs and their take-over of the low income areas of our cities and towns,...

As long as the government creates a black market item to sell and profit from, such as drugs, laws, the courts and the justice system will never eradicate the underground supply and demand system (gangs). Gangs are formed just like any other business and their purpose is to make money. The criminalization of drugs has made the gangs alot of money and given them alot of power.

Of course removing the need for the black market would be detrimental to the government, as it would put a huge dent in their need for population control (prisons) and funding to create and maintain jobs in the law enforcement, court and prison systems. Legalization of drugs would no longer be a bargaining chip in dealing with other entities (Iran/Contra Arms Exchange, for example). Drugs are big business, legal or illegal.

It's not in the best interest of the government to destroy the gangs.

Wonder why he didn't use a car since we all know more people are killed by cars than guns every year...

Cheyelles

I'm not either political or into any ideology but I see posters here referring to liberals or conservatives as their main argument.

When kids or adults get shot at schools or anywhere else, the victims are both democrat and republican, liberal and conservative. You might not care when a family member gets shot and die or gets handicapped for life, but many people do.

We're losing loved ones, and Americans, not members of any group or ideology and we need to stop the problem one way or the other, but fast.

You're real Barbie look is awesome.

Sooo, what's your plan?!

If you wanted to kill someone, which tool would you pick?

If you wanted to kill two people, which tool would you pick?

Explosives

Hello folks, while tragic these people lost their life the government is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at their ultimate goal and that is to declaw and remove the teeth of the citizens of the United States.

“We are fast approaching the stage of ultimate inversion: the stage where government is free to do as it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission.” - Ayn Rand

Why are fully-automatic AR-15s with 30-round magazines and hollow-point bullets called ‘personal defense’ weapons when the Department of Homeland Security purchases them, but semi-auto AR-15s are assault rifles in the hands of citizens?

The Department of Homeland Security filed a purchase bid this past June titled “Personal Defense Weapons Solicitation”. It is combined bid for 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition and “select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense.”

Increasingly the government is giving itself privileges that they are taking away from citizens. This is becoming most obvious in regards to gun rights, but it’s becoming a widespread abuse of power across all aspects of society. The government is supposed to derive its authority from the people not the other way around.

Ron Paul recently addressed this exact topic proposing the simple solution: ”Anything the government assumes they have a right to do to us, we should assume we have a right to do that to them.”

If we are to be a nation of, by and for the people where the government has no rights that aren’t afforded to citizens, then this assumption may be the check on government overreach that’s so desperately needed.

By the way, the DHS is only authorized to work within the U.S. borders, so who do they plan to use these weapons on?

To all you gun haters out there, NEWS FLASH I lived in Phoenix for 8 years in the 80's and 90's when I was in the Air Force and stationed at Luke AFB. Never heard any complaints about people owning guns then and there were drive by shootings weekly. The gang bangers were always shooting at each other and a lot of innocent people got caught in the cross fire but nothing was said or done. Now all of a sudden its a big problem. It's been going on for years and no one cared about the little boy who die in his bed cause some gang bangers shoot up the house trying to kill his brother who was in a rival gang. Or the husband and wife who had there truck riddled at a stop light for no reason.

Hey, where's that bulldog Brewer, and the ignorant sheriff when you need them!

Not all Americans are stupid, we can see the presstitutes duck stepping to their masters in posting every shooting as front page news. Not only is the 2nd amendment under siege but the constitution itself. People stand up to the tyranny that is being displayed in the media. Where's your crocodile tears for the children killed in illegal drone strikes?

CIA Drone Strikes in Pakistan 2004–2013

Total US strikes: 362
Obama strikes: 310
Total reported killed: 2,629-3,461
Civilians reported killed: 475-891
Children reported killed: 176
Total reported injured: 1,267-1,431

US Covert Action in Yemen 2002–2013

Total confirmed US operations (all): 54-64
Total confirmed US drone strikes: 42-52
Possible extra US operations: 135-157
Possible extra US drone strikes: 77-93
Total reported killed (all): 374-1,112
Total civilians killed (all): 72-177
Children killed (all): 27-37

US Covert Action in Somalia 2007–2013

Total US strikes: 10-23
Total US drone strikes: 3-9
Total reported killed: 58-170
Civilians reported killed: 11-57
Children reported killed: 1-3

Drone Infographics

Interactive map

by Drones Team

This map details the locations of CIA drone strikes in the remote Pakistani tribal areas.

Partial List of Children Killed

PAKISTAN

Name | Age | Gender

Noor Aziz | 8 | male
Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
Noor Syed | 8 | male
Wajid Noor | 9 | male
Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
Ayeesha | 3 | female
Qari Alamzeb | 14| male
Shoaib | 8 | male
Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male
Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
Maezol Khan | 8 | female
Nasir Khan | male
Naeem Khan | male
Naeemullah | male
Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
Ziauddin | 16 | male
Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
Fazal Hakim | 19 | male
Ilyas | 13 | male
Sohail | 7 | male
Asadullah | 9 | male
khalilullah | 9 | male
Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
Khalid | 12 | male
Saifullah | 9 | male
Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
Nawab | 17 | male
Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male
Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
Abdullah | 18 | male
Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
Shahbuddin | 15 | male
Yahya Khan | 16 |male
Rahatullah |17 | male
Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
Shahjehan | 15 | male
Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
Numair | 14 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Taseel Khan | 18 | male
Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
Alam Nabi | 11 | male
Qari Abdul Karim | 19 | male
Rahmatullah | 14 | male
Abdus Samad | 17 | male
Siraj | 16 | male
Saeedullah | 17 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Salman | 12 | male
Fazal Wahab | 18 | male
Baacha Rahman | 13 | male
Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male
Iftikhar | 17 | male
Inayatullah | 15 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Adnan | 16 | male
Najibullah | 13 | male
Naeemullah | 17 | male
Hizbullah | 10 | male
Kitab Gul | 12 | male
Wilayat Khan | 11 | male
Zabihullah | 16 | male
Shehzad Gul | 11 | male
Shabir | 15 | male
Qari Sharifullah | 17 | male
Shafiullah | 16 | male
Nimatullah | 14 | male
Shakirullah | 16 | male
Talha | 8 | male

YEMEN

Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female
Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female
Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female
Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female
Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male
Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male
Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female
Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female
Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female
Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female
Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male
Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female
Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female
Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female
Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female
Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male
Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female
Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female
Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male
Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male
Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female
AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male
Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male
Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 | male
Nasser Salim | 19

I'm surprised more old people don't just go off - what do they have to lose?

Is that standard for the self defense people to have more than one gun on them?

Maybe if half our laws didn't favor sleazy professionals who are allowed to rip us off with immunity - they wouldn't get shot.

Corporation uses arbitration clause to cheat white-haired old cowboy out of his day in court. Gunplay ensues.

culheath

I say we give anyone who owns a gun legal or not to turn them in to be melted down.

After that 30 day period anyone caught with a gun, irrespective of the type, is executed on the spot. #1.17

So every police officer, and soldier are to be disarmed. That's a good Idea. Or is it your idea that only the Government get to keep guns?

You should Google "Cop kills 'wife', 'ex', 'girlfirend' etc. Or "Police Corruption". There was a study done, you can Google that too, that shows there is a lower incidence of crime among CCP holders, than the general public and the police in some cases.

And this stuff has been going on since the beginning of time, my guess, the guy pissed that a Lawyer lied to him, imagine that.

But hey this is "MSNBC can't keep my rating so I gotta change my name to NBC.news" of course they are going to run every shooting in the country, it is in their agenda.

It’s not every day that you hear the police give a civilian a warm “thank you” for entering a lethal shootout, but that’s exactly what happened in Early, Texas on Sunday. But before we get into the heroic civilian shooter, let’s back up a bit. Aug. 7. 2012
/deadlinelive.info/2012/08/07/armed-citizen-in-tx-stops-shooting-spree-and-saves-cop-by-making-150-yard-shot-with-a-pistol/

That's just one story of hundreds, maybe you all need to get your news from a few other sources.

Ban takenaka and Culheath, their silly anti-gun dribblie is a waste of space ignoring the human factor.

The stats are clear. There are relatively few justifiable homicides each year. There are thousands of murders where the weapon was a gun, especially a hand gun.

I don't want to disarm the police, or the army.

But neither do I want any crazy old coot to have a gun, either.

Guns are used to cause harm more than they are used in defense.

I'd feel just awful if a crazy sob with a hand gun killed my family. So, I think it is smart to advocate for a change to gun laws before that happens. It seems that after you are shot, you are not such a vocal proponent of pro gun laws. Gabby Giffords now thinks that we ought to do more to keep crazies from getting guns. Imagine that.

Ronald Reagan did not favor hand gun control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9feI2R12wY

And a few years later, a crazy with a hand gun shot and almost killed him. He almost got hisself a Darwin award!

You're still ignoring the human factor and taking the easy way by demonizing the inanimate object. People will kill no matter what is banned. How about focusing in a multifaceted way instead.

Moshuluu,

Gov.Brewer and Sheriff Joe are busy playing Star Wars make-believe, again...

Gov.Brewer = Darth Sidious

Sheriff Joe Arpaio = Darth Vader

The 40% claim again.

"The original source of the 40 percent figure is a 1997 National Institute of Justice study by researchers Philip Cook of Duke University and Jens Ludwig of the University of Chicago, who examined data from a 1994 telephone survey about gun ownership. The survey, which sampled 2,568 homes, asked owners an array of questions, including how many guns were in the house, what they were used for, how they were stored and how they were obtained.

But it’s important to note that of the 2,568 households surveyed, only 251 people answered the question about the origin of their gun.

But in those answers, Cook and Ludwig found that 35.7 percent of respondents reported obtaining their gun from somewhere other than a licensed dealer. (That has been rounded up to 40 percent.) Some people answered "probably" and "probably not" if they weren’t entirely sure whether the seller was a licensed dealer. In some cases, where the respondent skipped the question about whether the gun came from a licensed dealer, the researchers made a judgment call. Ludwig said in an email that they mined answers to other questions (such as whether the gun was a gift) to guide them.

"The dubious statistic of guns that avoided background checks — which is actually 36 percent — comes from a small 251-person survey on gun sales two decades ago, very early in the Clinton administration. Most of the survey covered sales before the Brady Act instituted mandatory federal background checks in early 1994.

If that alone didn’t make the number invalid, the federal survey simply asked buyers if they thought they were buying from a licensed firearms dealer. While all Federal Firearm Licensees do background checks, only those perceived as being FFLs were counted. Yet, there is much evidence that survey respondents who went to the smallest FFLs, especially the “kitchen table” types, had no idea that the dealer was actually “licensed.” Many buyers seemed to think that only “brick and mortar” stores were licensed dealers, and so the survey underestimating the number of sales covered by the checks."

Another reason for the high number is that it includes guns transferred as inheritances or as gifts from family members. Even President Obama’s background proposal excludes almost all of those transfers."

taking the easy way by demonizing the inanimate object

Guns are not innocent bystanders in all these murders.

A gun is the thing that makes it easy for a person to kill.

The Right Tool for the Job!

Countries that are similar in development and demographics to the US, but have more gun regulations, have much lower murder rates.

Do not discount the utility of an inanimate object. An airplane is an inanimate object. The airplane makes it easy to travel a long distance. A gun makes it easy to kill.

If you do not want people to easily travel long distances, make it difficult to travel by airplane.

If you do not want people to easily kill, make it difficult to get a gun.

"He was a great neighbor,..."Wouldn't trade him for the world.", carries two weapons to a 'mediation session'. Anyone find this something of a paradox? I suppose it depends on how you define 'mediation'. In any event, one dead, permanently, and two others wounded. How many would have been shot if this apparently sane, respected person hadn't been carrying weapons? Simple question.

Make gun owners pay for insurance on all their guns, just like I do on all my cars. There needs to be a disincentive to amassing an arsenal of weapons that gets stolen or gets distributed as part of an estate. I’m a responsible driver, and I pay car insurance on more cars than my household can drive at one time. Save thing should apply to a responsible gun owner. You want a gun, fine! Pay a small amount to insure it. You want 100 guns, fine! Pay much more insurance on that.

Some of the insurance money should go to a fund to pay medical bills for gunshot victims. If collectively, we all behave ourselves, insurance costs go down for everyone. If we all go crazy, shooting everyone in sight, insurance costs skyrocket for everyone.

Then, every year, take your guns for an accountability inspection. Can’t find your gun? You get a huge fine, or jail time for repeat offenders. Crime committed with a gun registered to you? Jail time.

If you are a responsible gun owner, take responsibility for your guns. Just like I do with my cars.

davey-526272

The stats are clear. There are relatively few justifiable homicides each year. There are thousands of murders where the weapon was a gun, especially a hand gun.

I don't want to disarm the police, or the army.

But neither do I want any crazy old coot to have a gun, either.

Guns are used to cause harm more than they are used in defense.

I'd feel just awful if a crazy sob with a hand gun killed my family. So, I think it is smart to advocate for a change to gun laws before that happens. It seems that after you are shot, you are not such a vocal proponent of pro gun laws. Gabby Giffords now thinks that we ought to do more to keep crazies from getting guns. Imagine that.

Ronald Reagan did not favor hand gun control.

And a few years later, a crazy with a hand gun shot and almost killed him. He almost got hisself a Darwin award!

#1.122

And just who's stats are you using? Ever read the book "How to Lie with Statistics."?

Can you PROVE cause more harm than they are used in defense? I have seen estimates from several hundred thousand, from liberal sources to several million from other sources. How many incidents go unreported as the gun owner scared off a would be criminal rather than shooting them, as you post in cases of "Justifiable Homicide"?

I have said this many times, in most other cases, when there is a something of this magnitude, "Global Warming" for instance, the Liberals are screaming for government studies to find out what is going on. Why not in this case? Why the rush to do something stupid? Because gun control is stupid. It just does not work the way you think it will. Is that what you people are afraid of? Vindication of the Right? Is that why none of you want to challenge my statements about gun ownership in the early part of this century? You know that the root cause of all this violence is the Progressive Agenda of a Socialist State.

And yeah, we can all come up with individual experiences of pro or anti gun evidence.

What we need is comprehensive evidence of either pro or anti gun success.

Creek-Dog

You're real Barbie look is awesome.
Sooo, what's your plan?!

My plan? it would be for all of us to Think about a solution to a real problem instead of putting the "ME" factor in front of everything else. We liked many toys as kids that we couldn't have, and they were not even dangerous. When it comes to human safety, I don't care how bad people care for their toys.

Really my plan wouldn't be important because we send legislators to DC to do their job for us (the only reason they're "working" there). And the laws they come up with are the only alternatives we get.

But since you try to be funny and make light of a a real serious problem, I just placed you on "Ignore" so I will not see any "wisecrack" from you. Thank you for the compliment.

Chey

RonB, Did we ignore those that drank and drove? We did for the longest time and then someone decided enough is enough. We imposed stricter laws, educated the public on being a responsible driver, and made others who allowed someone to drink and drive liable. I know many people who used to drink and drive and thought nothing of it, change their habits and thoughts after laws were imposed and the faces of those killed by drunk drivers appeared on tv. Are there still drunk drivers on the road, yes, but the amount of people being killed by them is less. No law has a 100% compliance. Shall we do away with the murder law just because there isn't 100% compliance? We can say with every law that we try to make a difference. Those that deal with guns are doing nothing to prevent criminals from getting the guns? They are enabling criminals and enough is enough!

Previously law abiding - like the nut in Alabama who was due in court today?

Man plagued by prostate problems allegedly guns down urologist
This story on right now.

NEWPORT BEACH, Calif. -- A retired barber accused of shooting a California urologist to death in his Newport Beach exam room is due to appear in court for the first time Wednesday.

Dry gulched Him.

Rick, the shooter is obviously not a "law abiding" gun owner and you're assuming that he owned weapon he used in the crime. Is it any surprise to any of us that we only get these little snippets of information to base our opinions here on. The media's wagging our tails for us.

One more point that needs to be added here, not all posting here have Americas best interests at heart, non citizens or foreign interests, people who could stand to benefit from an unarmed America in the future.

our government will protect you...just lay all your weapons down...you can trust the government...yes you can...OBAMA will make sure we're kept out of harms way...right now the rich are wearing these bullet proof vest...they are stuff with free hundred dollar bills...he's spending his way thru the second term...ya'll enjoy it...

Everytime he opens his mouth one of their "members" proves that we need more strict gun laws. As someone said earlier the Congress won't act until someone shoots up the republican offices in the Capital bldg. The lies and bluster from the right gets harder to defend logically everyday as more innocent people get gunned down because a group of non-thinking, no constitution knowing half wits refuse to see the truth.

These guys are all law-abiding until they are not. Gun rights proponents want us to trust them as they are law-abiding. Unfortunately there are no magic lights that appear when the law-abiding is switched off. There has to be some control here and that is not happening with our current laws.

mpa -- the individual in Alabama would not have been able to LEGALLY secure ANY WEAPON if their was a way to deny weapons to the Mentally Ill or those who are considered a threat to themselves or others. Patients Rights Advocates have decided that the ability of a Mentally Ill Person to have free access to guns trumps every one else right to be safe. All these Psychiatrist,Psychologist, and Social Workers are doing in making sure they make big bucks treating the Mentally Ill. In this country a person found to be Mentally Incapacitated can do whatever they wish to whomever they wish and they get sent to a Hospital where tax payers pay for their every need. Criminals don't concern themselves with background checks, they steal what they need for their crimes. They do their crime, plead insanity (or they complain they were from a poor family, single parent, drugged parents,etc) and the Court basically lets them spend time in a Hospital until they have their psychosis under control with medication and release them. They stop taking their meds and harm someone and get caught, they get sent back to the same hospital all at tax payer expense.

Most of these anti gunners in congress are just turning up the drama by preying on tragedies to further their own historic anti gun agenda that was already in place waiting on a perfectly timed event like Sandy Hook to launch their self serving agenda. Like vultures circling over a kill.

Preying on tragedies? I am sure those Sandy Hook parents would appreciate that sentiment. Using that same tragedy, people saying the levees near New Orleans needed to be strengthened preyed on the Katrina tragedy to say "we want to stop it from happening again". How opportunistic to want to prevent further tragedy! You should be ashamed of yourself.

Shar J

You're just another drama queen, like Mark Kelly

Shar J, I wouldnt be so sure about what happened in Sandy Hook. There is a ton of discrepancies, absolutely wrong information during interviews, witnesses changing stories, A coroner that is a few bricks short of a load, media misquotes of witnesses, AND EYEWITNESSES, FAMILY MEMBERS, AND TEACHERS, THAT CRY WITHOUT TEARS!!!!!

IT AINT NORMAL.

Terry:

How many tragedies does it take before we, as a nation, decide we have had enough?

10,

26,

100,

1000

10,000

20,000

30,000

Or is even ONE Death caused by a gun too many?

LiberalsRCommies:

The only thing we are absolutely sure of is that 20 little children and 6 adults attempting to have a normal day at an elementary school had their lives ended by a gun.

26 people who should have had a long, fulfilling life are DEAD BY A GUN.

They were KILLED with A GUN.

That is beyond dispute.

If only the media reported the 7000 times a day firearms are used for self defense. Unfortunately they fail to do their job and only report the 11000 times a year they are used for murder.

Following the Liberal Logic, should Drivers who Speed or get in Car Accidents have their Licenses Revoked regardless of the severity? Or should Unwed Mothers have their tubes tied? Just wondering how far the Libs are willing to go when it comes down to accepting responsibility.

Dirp:

Just more drama, gun laws are not going to save lives. How is it working for all those Mexicans with some of the strictest gun laws in the world. Just the drug dealers have guns down there, they invade peoples homes, kill the whole family and cut off their damn heads. These people can't even protect themselves because of the Mexican gun laws keeping defensive weapons out of the hands of their law abiding citizens. If someone is willing to commit murder, violating some gun law is not a deterrent, how is that working for the Mexicans?

dirp

LiberalsRCommies:

The only thing we are absolutely sure of is that 20 little children and 6 adults attempting to have a normal day at an elementary school had their lives ended by a gun.

26 people who should have had a long, fulfilling life are DEAD BY A GUN.

They were KILLED with A GUN.

Dirp, Did you see the bodies? Did you see the guns? Why are the police refusing to give us the whole story when by their account it was one person that did this and he's already dead? With no trial to protect there is no reason why all the information cant be released. When governments do this its usually because it all doesn't add up or they havnt' decided how to spin it. Either way they are hiding something and we DESERVE to know what it is.

When are you people going to understand? When you take the guns away from law abiding people, the only ones that will have guns are the criminals.. They will make these weapons in their garages.. You have to wake up and look for the criminals.. Quit trying to disarm the law abiding citizens.

The second amendment is not meant for carrying a gun for food, its to protect us from a tyrannical Government. Please study, figure out why they are leaning on guns today... Ankle time people.

Hello folks, the constitution is the law of the land. If this administration wants to change the constitution there is a process to do that. Otherwise we don't have to comply with anything else. It would be unconstitutional.

You are correct and any changes to the first 10 Amendments, our Bill of Rights, is unconstitutional, regardless what this current administration thinks or these brain dead minion followers... If they don't want to have a gun, fine, just don't come for mine or tell me I can't have one.

liberalsrcommies- first of all, the 1950's called and want your moniker back. next, so now your going to be one of the morons who claim this was either a government coverup or a government assault to further gun control? as if the rule didnt apply before, but even moreso now, everything you sayhereby has no credibility.

jean- what are you talking about, are the new proposed laws calling for confiscation? this is news to me..

@dirp:

all the automobiles off the roads!! no airplanes in the sky!! one death is too many!!! bite me.

Is there a entity sending out these crazies at this time to kill people so the media will blame the guns....seems awful strange all of a sudden lotsa gun deaths

@letsgoblues - Righteooo Senator McCarthy........

Don't forget the justice system in all of this. If the "justice" system would enforce the laws and dole out the punishments that match the crime then there would be a lot fewer nuts out there or at least they would think twice before going postal.

But there are too many bleeding heart liberals out there who are all saying "criminals have rights too" and have made the justice system impotent.

@Chrisjiii

Congress won't act until someone shoots up the republican offices in the Capital bldg.

Not likely. They have plenty of security guards with guns to protect them.

Rick-881466

LaPierre just can't get a break! Every time he opens his mouth, another previously law abiding gun owner opens fire.

#2 - Wed Jan 30, 2013 2:03 PM EST

I just don't know what it is about your name that rhymes with uhhhhhhh...
Oh,.....!
Is your birth name "Richard?!"..........uh......Ugh,..... my bad.....

@JoeB-460595: Most of the mental health advocacy changed after Geraldo Rivera's expose of Staten Island's Willowbrook Hospital in 1972. Class action lawsuits were filed, patients were later removed to community homes rather than being wharehoused in large mental health facitilies. I believe, today, the only large mental health facilities are those for criminals. Most private hospitals where patients commit themselves, or they are ordered to be committed by a judge are generally not as big as the hospitals in the past, including those in large metro areas, such as NYC.

Willowbrook was only supposed to have 4,000 patients but actually had 6,000. Most of its patients were children abandoned by their parents because that's what drs. told them: you can't raise this child on your own, it's better off for you + your child if he/she goes to this hospital where he/she will get the proper care that is needed, you won't be able to provide this child all the care he/she will need at home or later in school. That's the baloney parents of handicapped kids were fed in the 50's + 60's, so they packed their children off to these state facilities, at least in NY they did. {Until they were closed down and they whole system was revamped in the mid 80's.} In graduate school, I worked with Willowbrook survivors, most were in their 50s, + had some stories to tell, if they were verbal + coherent enough.

Today, there's a shortage of mental health services for families. As disturbed children grow up, most social agencies don't have adequate services to help them. If the disturbed individual is unable to keep a job + lacks adequate family support, they are more likely to become homeless. With family support, they remain with their families longer than their peers, and are more likely to find employment.

Creek Dog - LOL. Your posts more often than not make my day. Keep up the good work.

creekdog: Didn't take you all that long to digress from intelligent posts to the pro-gun norm -an excuse for every shooting death that occurs. The problem, seems to me, is not gun ownership - it is the finality of the deaths caused by guns. Gun ownership can be discussed - gun deaths are just a bit past the 'mediation' stage.

Joking on a thread discussing the death of one person, and the wounding of two others does, indeed, reveal something about those posting this 'humor', and these excuses. Do the victims (inclusive) of these shootings care about the race, sanity or legality of the shooters?

Discussing the instant to instant mental health of gun owners is one thing, the purpose and efficacy of firearms is quite another. When the right to bear arms becomes more important than the public safety, we can only hope that reason prevails. Read these posts - the "you'll have to pry my gun from my cold, dead hands" faction - clearly, there is no pretense of even the entertainment of a reasonable discussion.

You know as well as anyone here that the "they're trying to take our guns away" mantra is nonsense. There is no more than a miniscule faction holding that position, and it likely includes those that have lost family and/or friends to gun violence.

How many posts do you see here with the (however illiterate) derogatory use of the term 'liberal', and how many with the (however illiterate) derogatory use of the term 'conservative'?

Creek Dog is long on style, short on substance.

The conversation would not be as fun without him.

Collect all the guns you moron. Please start at my house.

What's your address?

Actually GPS coordinates for the drones would be more convenient for us, if you have them. Thanks.

I like your attitude culheath. I use the same words to get the paranoid schizophrenic masturbaters all worked up in a frenzy. It's fun to sit back and watch. It's wrong though, and for that I ask my savior the Lord Jesus Christ to forgive me.

Amen! LOL

There was someone @ the location masturbating while this was happening?

fap fap fap fap fap fap...and the fap goes on...lodi dodi de...lodi doti di...crazy with their gun...just having fun...just wants to put a bullet in anyone...and the fap goes on...the fap goes on...http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApdxIpwSwgU

Right culheath, try doing it doing in person instead hiding behind your keyboard and refering to drones. Refer to the Journal News for addresses and go for it.

don/tad: When you grow up, assuming that you ever will, you'll likely need to move far, far away from the people that knew you at this stage. The potato goes in the front.

I saw you packing at the Walmart the other morning - a single quick step, a cheap bottle of Merlot, and I own your gun, your wallet, and if I chose to do so, your life. You are three steps behind the society you live in, and need to find some way of realizing that fact. To men, your threats are a joke - nothing more.

About the same as always. Its just now they are reporting it becasue it fits their agenda. No law is going to stop these crimes. Notice they don't report stabbings much? It's not because they aren't happening.

Vinnie,

It used to be more unusual - so it would be reported on as "news." Now it's becoming so commonplace that it's becoming rote.

And still people make the stupid argument about stabbing and can't see that this is getting out of control. Seriously. Out. Of. Control.

Vinnie, We can send man to the moon, we can eradicate diseases, we can communicate through phones and computers, but you are telling us there is no way to prevent criminals from getting guns and killing people. Wow, If that is the case then we can put humans down as the dumbest of all species. Or maybe it is just you Vinnie because you fail to educate yourself on how to resolve this problem. Ponder this, what are we doing that is enabling criminals to get the guns? We make laws to make people responsible and if they choose not to be responsible then they will be held accountable. If you sell your weapon to some criminal on the streets and you didn't do a background check on the person then you to will go to jail! Just think you'll have the criminal that you enabled to kill a little kid as your roomie in jail!

Yes Vinnie is telling you there is no way to prevent criminals from getting guns. There is and always will be a work around. Just look at Chicago and it's tough gun control laws. That's working out really well isn't it? The more laws created, the more that only the undeserving people will end up with guns thus screwing the rest of the law abiding citizens.

Molly, I'll bet that numerically it isn't any different than any other time. Now if someone farts it will be reported as a shooting by the uber-liberal media, because it is a pot they want to stir ... and fools like you fall for it daily.

chicago has that many shooting a day with pretty regular consistance...

Actually, it is safer tiday in terms of gun violence than it was last year, or the year before, or the year before that . . .

If you cannot do the research, and understand the statistics, you will always be at the mercy of the media and their masters, the politicians.

This is why we will never come together on this issue - some approach from a reasoned position, others viscerally.

Nope, there's no way to prevent criminals from getting guns just like there is no way to prevent terrorists from getting bombs, nukes, and chemical/biological weapons. I don't even know why we are wasting so much money on Homeland Security when we still haven't even found those WMDs in Iraq yet; its obvious that every Iraqi has the bomb now because Pakistan and North Korea and China all have the bomb, which means everyone has nukes or should have them because banning nukes only makes nukes more availible. I mean if a terrorist really wants to get his hands on some nuclear material whats to stop them? Laws? Treaties? Naw, man!

The only real gun control is no control whatsoever; that way they bad guys knows that we have guns and they have guns, so if they want our stuff they just gonna have to bring more guns/bombs/nukes than we have. And America has a lot of guns/bombs/nukes to go around.

Molly-1582655

It used to be more unusual - so it would be reported on as "news." Now it's becoming so commonplace that it's becoming rote.

Gun violence today if HALF what it was just 20 years ago and it continues to decline. But please don't let any actual facts get in the way of your wild speculation.

Backcountry - Yes and overall violent crime is HALF what it was 20 years ago but that doesn't fit the agenda so we can get all your guns now does it?

here is a way criminals are getting guns.. They break into a home of a lawful gun owner and steal them. I own guns legally, have been trained and know how to use them. If someone breaks into my house and steals my guns, is he/she suppose leave their name so I can run a background check to feel better my gun not falling into the hands of a criminal. Oh wait, as soon as they entered my dwelling its a felony. And before you get all huffy and puffy about having my guns locked up or a trigger lock... I do have a gun safe which has rifles and shotguns in it, but I also have a .45 in my nightstand and a shotgun under the bed. I live alone, I have training, I am not going to put a lock on my guns in my own house so when someone enters in the middle of the night i have to fumble around with it, or the combination dial lock on the floor safe in the dark. All I got to do is chamber a round and shoot. Criminals will always find a way to get guns. They dont care about laws, bans or mandatory background checks.

Norskejente

Vinnie, We can send man to the moon, we can eradicate diseases, we can communicate through phones and computers, but you are telling us there is no way to prevent criminals from getting guns and killing people. Wow, If that is the case then we can put humans down as the dumbest of all species.

Here's what your missing. In England and Wales where almost all gun ownership is illegal, the British Government reports that they have a higher "Violent Crime Rate" than here in the USA. I want you to explain that?

LiberalsAreCommies............get your facts right:

U.S. 2009 burglary rate: 716.3 per 100,000

U.K. 2009 burglary rate: 523 per 100,000.

And in the U.S., you were nearly four times as likely to be murdered:

U.S. 2009 murder rate: 5 per 100,000.

U.K. 2009 murder rate: 1.49 per 100,000.

The list does not include burglaries, which is considered a property crime in the U.S. but a violent crime in the U.K.

Assault (with serious bodily injury)

UK 739 per 100k

US 262 per 100k

Rape

UK 27.7

US 28.6

Robbery (which you state is not included in your figures)

UK 137 per 100l

US 133 per 100k

Burglary

UK 986 per 100k

US 715 per 100k

- UN figures from 2010, does not include Northern Ireland. UK figures are for England and Wales only. When the numbers for NI are added in, the violent crime rate for the UK is 5-6 times higher than the US.

Yeah get your facts right. The SIMPLE and plain facts are there is MORE violent crime in the UK per 100,000 people then there is in the USA and MOST crime typically comes from highly populated (more that 250,000 people) areas of which the USA has a LOT more of then England. This means for the people who don't get it that the crime is even WORSE in England that just going by a "per 100,000 people statistic". This is the 2011 numbers not 2009. How many years can i go back and cherry pick a statistic that works for me. Why is it that a place that doesn't let you have guns have so much crime again?

John -

You are in agreement with Barry. One of his 23 executive orders to prevent violence is to study the effects of movies and video games.

mpa.you misunderstood my post. Not in agreement with the prez. I think all of the things are BS. It was a sarcastic comment.

John -

I gathered that. Was pointing out the helpful and effective approach that DC is taking over all this.

DC............helpful and effective approach on something.........naw ain't buying that!

mike277

And that is why I can reach two pistols from where I sit typing this.

Such a scaredy-cat.

Wow Jwright, that afraid while browsing the internet huh? Seek professional help for that paranoid fear of yours.

jw: The need to have two guns at your keyboard far outweighs any potential threats that may, actually, exist in your life. What is it, exactly, that frightens you so deeply? This isn't sarcasm, I'm sincerely interested in how a person can reach such a mindset. I've survived 65 years without ever feeling, or actually having, the need for weapons within instant access. I've lived in cities my entire adult life.

Let's not forget when the First Amendment was written, they used horses to carry messages written with a quill on parchment.

Im not voting for you. So the government and British used muskets....what's your point?

Vern-1642229

Let's not forget when the First Amendment was written, they used horses to carry messages written with a quill on parchment.

Yeah, and unlike today it made spreading stupidity a lot less immediate.

Im not voting for YOU

Let's not forget when the Constitution was written...when they used MUSKETS!

When the Constitution was written the Founding Fathers allowed for people to own the most advanced, state of the art weapons available at the time.

See how easy that argument is to turn around??

And when the Constitution guaranteed freedom of religion all the churches in the colonies were Christian.

The Founding fathers also said women could not vote and that people could own slaves. So as our country evolves, shouldn't our consitution?

Jaba1017

And when the Constitution guaranteed freedom of religion all the churches in the colonies were Christian.

Really? You think the Native Americans were all Christians?? And what of the Synagogues that were present at the time? Do you think there were Christians worshiping there too?

Maybe learn a little something about history before you try to speak of it.

ael44

The Founding fathers also said women could not vote and that people could own slaves. So as our country evolves, shouldn't our consitution?

Are the most advanced, state of the art weapons availible for all to have now? Sounds like our Constitution has evolved.

@ael44

The Founding fathers also said women could not vote and that people could own slaves. So as our country evolves, shouldn't our consitution?

The constitution never specified voting eligibility. Laws were passed in the states and congress that said that women couldn't vote...but it was not specified in the original constitution. So then why should our constitution change?

man: The addition of the 15th and 19th Amendments?

"anywhere else"..yup..where ever humans go.

You forgot theaters and schools. Hey, maybe the guards from the school buses can just go in with the kids to school and then leave on the bus in the afternoon! Kill two birds with one stone, ya know...

... anywhere else?

In all our bedrooms?

Guards in hospitals also?

Churches and hospitals and shopping malls.

Mental institutions?

Give the NRA a moment they'll think of someplace else.The more guns sold the more monies they rake in.

@

Jwright-1317095

Mental institutions?

RE: Guns in mental institutions - isn't that how most of these problems are starting??????? Or are you suggesting a good ole shootem' up at OK Corral [xyz Mental Hospital]? {sic}

Hotties in thongs, sushi = good

Senseless gun violence and innocent people killed by monsters with guns = bad

In America, guns are not like apple pie to everybody, just those terrified people out there clutching at something that makes them feel safer against an imaginary foe. You people with your gun porn are the ones that normal people need to be wary of.

Be afraid, firefly, be very afraid.

You indicate monsters, but then castigate gunowners (all 85 + Million?) as terrified people afraid of "imaginary foe."

I'm guessing that Logic 101 is not on your transcripts.

Firefly-4334185

In America, guns are not like apple pie to everybody, just those terrified people out there clutching at something that makes them feel safer against an imaginary foe. You people with your gun porn are the ones that normal people need to be wary of.

According to a study done under Clinton 82,000 "paranoid" people use a gun to defend themselves every year.- http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/ascii/hvfsdaft.txt

mpa: I think you've said it all....."Be afraid, firefly, be very afraid." Of what? Other people with guns? A man 70 years old that neighbors describe as "... great neighbor....Wouldn't trade him for the world."?

Be searching a lot of suspects then wouldn't they since Arizona allows concealed guns.

Totally missed the point there, Binkie.

If someone had had a gun, they might have "carried" the suspect out on a stretcher rather than search for him.

Yeah, Binke -

If ol' mpa had been there he would have taken that guy out! Except if he was too busy at the time beating his macho chest to beat the guy to the draw, just like down the road in Tombstone. Yessir! "If" is such an important little word to fantasizers.

dk -

Nice irony, but pretty worthless.

First, I was clarifying the previous post.

Second, wanna bet the office complex wasn't a "gun-free" zone?

Where in the heck was LaPierres' "good guy" when we needed him again?...

Everyone loses sight of a tragedy unless it hits them close. Too early to speculate on contributing factors, much less draw ignorant, rabid conclusions... The only thing we know for sure is that either another loon shot people or an upstanding patriot excercising what he mistakenly has been led to believe are his second amendment rights shot people.

In between those two things is the realm of responsible gun owners and/or enthusiasts... (If you call yourself a gun nut, you likely could be)

NRA membership is for fearful idiotic people that need to be insured against their own stupidity and think donating to an organization that misleads them regularly and meddles in government affairs to the benefit of only NRA and affiliated corporations is a good thing.

Don't have a membership in the NRA, just like I don't belong to any political party. Waste of money

Like there weren't 5 accidental shootings on gun appreciation day. And those are the folks telling themselves that they are "responsible" gun owners.

"Gun Appreciation Day" more like "Morons with nothing better to do with their lives day". It takes a tpug mind to come up with such assinine thoughts and actions.

i would have to say that the (libbys) have been eating too much fruit cocktail today....yep.

hey did you highly intelligent libs (as you self proclaim) realize now that the NRA has a crapload of democrat (read) liberal members, and not everyone in the NRA is a republican.

and did you know your hero finestine has a concealed carry permit? did ya?

or do these things not matter when post such nonsense? so you say ? interesting for sure

i patiently await more scalding left wing name calling!!!! how dare you make an opposing point to mine i'm right you know ha!

What the libs forget is they can demonize the gun all they want. What they need to demonize is their failure in metal health care in this country. Crazy people do crazy @!$%#. Its not a matter of penalizing the law abiding citizen over nut jobs. We need to fix the problem and its not the guns. Its our society and the obvious need for a real solution that we should be working on. And just for the record. 115 people have lost their lives needlessly just this week in auto accidents. I don't see the President looking to ban the automobile anytime too soon. They don't interrupt their session to comment on the latest auto fatality. Its all just a big show. Look!!! at all the deadly shootings in this corner and lets not look at whats really driving people crazy in this corner. Its a big chess game and our politicians are masters at it. The citizens in this country are buying into the hesteria. Its just amazing!!!!! We have more and more idiots born everyday. Eventually we will be just another third world country and all part of the big scheme to make a society of sheep. That eat and are taken care of equally , no matter what their personal contribution is to society. I call it a shame.

You and your repubs undercut the mental healthcare budget years ago pal

@Matt Jackson-302862

So right.....You hit right on the nail: the mental health system needs another overhaul. The crazies are loose on our streets + no one seems to care. Families are afraid to expose their own crazies out of fear of what he/she will do to them. Neighbors of crazies just want them gone + out of their hair, want the police to dump the crazies some where just not in their backyard anymore.

In many areas, there is a shortage of mental health providers. Several yrs ago, a major health care system decided to eliminate its "Behavioral Health Services" aka mental health services in my area, city of about 500,000. This elimination involved approximately 4,000 patients, who were given 2 sheets of paper with a lst of providers in the area to search on their own for a new psychiatrist, psychologist or counselor. Real smart move for most patients who function on a marginal level because of their mental impairments. This health care system eliminated the Behavioral health services unit because it didn't make as much money as other services would. This system later went on to increase its Women's Hospital + added a neonatal unit, + acquired a regional Heart Hospital into its system. This is why mentally ill people are underserved in our communities.

Don't forget in the kid's rooms as well. Then when you piss them off they don't have to worry about stealing a gun to bump you off they'll have one already at hand.

Good afternoon.

Dork here....., just sayin'. Great Avatar. You're anti-gun but, Let's Destroy More. You play too many video games.

Later! ;-)

Or at the DNC and Barry campaigns. Whee! This is fun.

i think he is talkin bout his brain cells..........could be

Now there's a nut that slipped through the cracks, ban Let's Destroy More from owning anything dangerous including butter knives.

Well Congress time to do your jobs, oh that's right, the tpukes won't go for that. Banning certain gun magazines would mean taking monies away from the gun industry and would cut into the NRA's profits which would lead to less monies to buy members of Congress and state legislators.

And don't forget their tiny penises.

Pathetic, small dicked cowards..........

Well said TK....seems like those gun nuts need to make up with guns for the limited size of their d##ks (and brains)

Well said TK....seems like those gun nuts need to make up with guns for the limited size of their dicks (and brains)

Are you sure that you are not talking about YOUR dyck and brain when it comes to a limited size, Leo the Builder?

corona, non gun owner's have extra large penises? Take a measurment and get back to us, what a joke!

Except gun owners have the guts to take responsibility for their own safety. You guys cower and cry for someone to come save you, then you cower and cry for someone to come and take away all the nasty guns. LOL the anti-gun nuts are the cowards.

Ok then, will leave you to tell the lunatics and gang bangers that they have to give up their guns.

Gangbangers? You mean old "white men"? Those gangbangers? Yeah, they are pretty tough!

Do any of you people study the issue? FBi/DOJ statistics show that 49 - 90% of all gun crime is gang-related ("depending on location).

So, yeah, "gangbangers" is a cogent comment. Seen many old white men gangbangers have ya Kingsman?

Mandatory mental screenings before a firearm purchase.

Step 1: Obtaining a license after passing exams and safety procedures

Step 2: Passing mental screenings before permit is handed out

Step 3: Attempt to not get so pissed off that gun rage sets in.

MJ, The cause IS something deeper. When they catch this guy, they need to find out what meds were prescribed to him. These meds for depression, ADHD, and hyper active; aka: zoloft, prozac, luvox, celexa, lexapro, to name a few, are one thing these nut cases who kill others have in common. Gun control is not the answer: Control of pharmaceuticals is. We will probably never hear about it in the media because the pharmaceutical companies are so rich and powerful.

Ok guys, let's just be f#$ing retarded and ban all guns, so we can cry about it the time we need them the most. Suppose history repeats itself and we have another "Hitler" made genocide. Stop and think. Shootings happen a lot, all around the world. Why is the news now being overexposed on these big sites? To reveal themselves so they can instill fear on everyone so they can say, "Ok let's ban the guns please!" To some of you, this may be farfetch'd, but what if all of these were set up? Why is all of this just happening all of a sudden? Well if that conspiracy is true, we all should be f$#ing pissed. I mean seriously. If they take away our rights, and whatnot, we're all screwed. I'm no gun activist, but I'm just saying.

There are cases where it won't help. The restrictions proposed are meant to limit and will never actually stop any shootings.

That doesn't mean that there weren't other bullets in the gun. All that means is that he only fired that many. Plain old logic.

Three people shot in Arizona, compared to 70 in Aurora. Do you see the difference?

Your posting is ridiculous.

No JGregory...you are ridiculous.....Your mommy is looking for you to make sure you take a nap this afternoon

Looks like trilliondollar donkey is trolling.

what's wrong cupcake?........did the big ole donkey hurt your little bitty feelings?

Ah, the hammer and sickle on the donkey. Your agenda is obvious.

trillion $$.........I get it. Jack ass, hammer and sickle, guess there are a few honest people left in the world.

That's what it's meant to be so the Einstein libtards don't have to think too hard and burn out their synapses when trying to think.

Jgregory, still stuck on stoopid like Obama and ilk, blame the guns and ignore the person committing the crime. Typical liberal anti-gun demonizing focusing on the inanimate gun.

Actually, for the past decade a person is gunned-down in the United States on-average every-hour.

That's 24-times a day on-average, a statistic that's held up for the past 10-years.

Fyi

We've all been just dying to hear that..........

Based in total gun death in the US 1 every 17 minutes

Another good reason for a gun ban.