Oh well, easy come, easy go.

Let's see how far he gets with a public defender.... :-(

Next............

Living and security expenses are legitimate expenses because Zimmerman can't work. He'd be attacked if he tried because so many people hate him.

Could you live on your savings for a year without putting yourself into crushing credit card debt?

Scuba,

Why do so many people hate him? Why not wait in jail? Living Expenses? I know in my family we don't have anywhere near $60K in living expenses, including my nasty shopping habit.

Don't you recall the wife being arrested for perjury?

Didn't think so.

Of course he can work. Hate to tell you but not everyone awaiting trial gets to have people donate to their household and living expenses. 56K paid for security? That's the biggest joke of them all. The wannabe cop needs to pay 56K for security? The average defendant doesn't get to pay someone 56K for security. This is just their way of begging the naive public for more money.

Ray, he is living in a secret location, not at home. Still does seem a bit high.

the biggest expenses are yet to come, reconstruction experts, voice analysis experts, forensic experts, jury experts,video reenactment experts; the public defenders office does not have the resources to hire these experts , why do you think so many murder convictions are reversed after people spend 10,20,30 years in jail; in a jury trial you better prove yourself not guilty, all the reasonable doubt is just that a reasonable chance; in a high profile case it takes a whole lot of money.

He moved out THE night of the murder...LONG BEFORE anyone voiced any opinion of his guilt or innocence...

He'd be attacked if he tried because so many people hate him.

Puleese...

62K for living expenses...I am a single parent of 4 that has to live on 1/3 of that. Must be nice. All of this could have been avoided if he didnt feel the need to play Serpico and stick his nose where it shouldnt have been. Just my 2 cents

Just think of all the other POOR people who are innocent, sitting in jail because someone thinks they are guilty, don't have funds for a defense.

It' rough not being filthy rich.

Many innocent people are in penitentiary because they didn't have money for defense. It's the American way.

At the end of all this the state of Florida will pick up the tab for the rest of his defence. All this because of the most poorly written law in the state. Zimmerman first of all broke the rules in packing a gun while patrolling, second he was stalking Martin after the 911 dispatcher told him not to, third Martin stood his ground by defending himself from a stalker, last if you are loosing a fight you caused stand your ground does not apply.

Now that his attorney has siphioned off all he can and no more money coming in it's time to pull the plug.

Legal fees are just as out of wack as medical fees...The best thing to do is put them all on the Gov. payroll at 3x the median family income for the geographic area they live in...You have problems with that???

I'm not crazy and I absolutely side with him.

He's innocent and Florida's Stand Your Ground law supports that.

- He did not break the law by getting out of his vehicle.

- There is no evidence he was walking around with his gun out.

- Trayvon had every right to confront him about being followed, but the fact that he used violence instead (imagine that) was his own error in judgment and he paid for it with his life. (Pity)

- As soon Trayvon decided to introduce violence into the situation George was within his legal right to bust a cap in his dumb, hoody-wearing a$$.

- Even if George had approached him in an aggressive manner, which there's zero evidence to support that, the Stand Your Ground law still provides for lethal force if either person feels their life was in danger, and George has clearly stated that he did.

So sad too bad for all you naive libbie foaming at the mouth over this in hopes that he hangs, but he won't and you're going to go back to your coffee klatches with your heads hung low.

Someone should have taught pot-smoking, thug-posing Trayvon that there are alternatives to conflict resolution beyond just violence. Somehow I don't miss him.

And by the way, in reading the comments here it is clear to me that when you liberals don't agree with something or someone, you spew venom and hate like no group of people I've ever seen. Unbelievably hypocritical...

AlaskaGirl-759554

Maybe the NRA will hold a fundraising event for his sorry ass.

#1.9 - Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:25 PM EST

Even though I think he's not going to be proved 100% innocent, Open your mouth, insert foot, close mouth.
Yup, it happens that fast.

Carryingconcealed

I'm not crazy and I absolutely side with him.

He's innocent and Florida's Stand Your Ground law supports that.

- He did not break the law by getting out of his vehicle.

- There is no evidence he was walking around with his gun out.

OMG dude, or, Dudette....

I carryconceal also but, it's obvious that you have not been following the entire story from the the beginning. You're insinuating a little too much BS man. You're white & can't deny it.

ScubaSteve:

Could you live on your savings for a year without putting yourself into crushing credit card debt?

This man was not living on his savings! He was living on the kindness of strangers.

Nope, Creek-Dog, no need for that. I would bet you that much of the money he did raise came from NRA supporters, so why not have the lawyer put it out there, especially right now when the gun lovers are so riled up? Sorry if you don't see the reality of the situation, you never seem to based on some of your comments.

It looks like our federal government is over-seeing his finances.

Ray in Jax, 1st thing that caught myeye and the fund is only a month old per the article. Household/living expenses - $61,747.54. The USA Median Yearly wage is less than that.

60 grand. living high on the hog. so sad he ran out of money. no worry. more gullible saps will send him and his lawyers cash. probably has a better wardrobe than sarah palin.

Zimmerman's lawyers have also requested that the trial date be pushed back from June to November.

Another interesting development...

Seems to me he can provide his own security. Anyone scares him, he follows 'em, and he kills 'em. Am I missing something here?

Maybe his leeching lawyers should ask Wayne La Pierre of the NRA or NRA Board Member Grover Norquist to pay his legal fees and expenses. After all, it was their handwork that got this mentality of gunslinging wannabe cop recruits to think they can carry a gun and shoot anyone who refuses to be stalked by an armed stranger. Will the redneck greentoothers who support everything Zimmerman stands for really pony-up money now they realize he's actually a Latino? This whole situation is laughable...

George will never be convicted due to "beyond a resonablle doubt" with or without a lawyer. I have a Paypal and just sent a few dollars for American justice to prevail........

The rapper and the actor that had to confront a break-in at their homes didn't use a gun and caught both suspects.....hmmmmmm.

Creek-Dog, just remember that home invaders are a different sort of burglars. They come prepared and while you fumble for your weapon, they're gonna be shooting your sorry ass. They don't give dog crap about your life, just what you have and they will get it. Your gun will be pulled from your stupid hands, after you are dead and cold.

Oh your breaking my heart. Maybe after he's in prison he'll realize that he shouldn't murdered an unarmed teenager in cold blood................... Hey Zimmerman "stand your ground" like a good right wing gun toting murderer.

The scumbag is trying to make money on this situation. A boy is dead because he couldn't mind his own business. Maybe he murdered him.

Let him have a public defender and that's it.

If you send him money and he is guilty, then you are morally an accomplice after the fact.

I'd say that the defense is trying to push the trial date back to distance themselves from the current climate regarding the gun regulation and increased restrictions and background checks. The current climate would not bode well for him being found not guilty. The majority of this country is sick and tired of these instances in which killers go unpunished. They are hoping to delay until things calm down.

As far as him being out of money, too freaking bad. Get a job, or go with a public defender, the same as the vast majority of people in this country would be forced to do. Why should he be treated as if he is some kind of special case?

Wow. So much wrong with the posts so far.

COG - the expenses have been accumulating for over a year. The figures are AS OF last month.

JoAnn - Puleese. You do remember that the Black Panther Party has a bounty posted for his killing, right?

He should just wait in jail?

Everyone who said legal fees are similar to medical fees may have a cookie (haven't seen IST here yet.)

And bdfore you start to dump on me, I don't pretend to know if he is innocent or guilty. That's what trials are for.

Come on man!

Somebody needs to tell Georgie about Ramen Noodles.

How can Georgie gain weight and look a little porky, when he doesn't have money to eat?

D'oh!

I did not vote for Romney, have a Glock by my bed, and sleep very well at night. Thank you and good night......

RepublicansForObama-6186389

Hah! Hah!

Notice how carryingconcealed is trying to Mentally Intimidate all you posters

with the fact that he carries a Gun?

Woopee-do!

These NRA right-wing, Ted Nugent "Gun-Nut" types, their Days are numbered.

We're going to "Out" them and publish their Names and addresses in all the Newspapers,

like they di in Rockland County, New York not too long ago.

No way am I allowing my precious Kids to go over to some "Gun-Nut's" house to play with their kids,

#1.25 - Wed Jan 30, 2013 8:54 PM EST

It's to my advantage that they/you put my name and address in the newspape that I am a gun owner.. Heh heh

Now, criminals know that "YOU" are unarmed and you're their target & will avoid me and my family. Good luck with that roll of paper towels...

jackieboy

Creek-Dog, just remember that home invaders are a different sort of burglars. They come prepared and while you fumble for your weapon, they're gonna be shooting your sorry ass. They don't give dog crap about your life, just what you have and they will get it. Your gun will be pulled from your stupid hands, after you are dead and cold.

All I can say is good luck with your buddy "RepublicansForObama-6186389" and let me know if you also need a roll of the "Quicker Beater Upper"

And for every single one of you "stereotyping" anti-gun people, see said.

Good luck in this tough world, make the right choices and, good luck.

Out...

Waaaa! this wannabe neighborhood watch idiot needs to be locked up! Whether or not the kid had smoked pot means nothing. This dope is a menace!

Creek-Dog, well it is quite obvious that you are NRA's most ardent fan. I guess that you just don't get sarcasm, do you? My comment was just sarcasm, but you tighty whities get so emotionally riled up whenever anyone even whispers NRA, and OMG, say or write the word g u n, and you Rambo wannabees are out in full force thumping your chests. Dude, take a chill pill.

For the record, I in no way support listing people who own guns in a newspaper or other public venue. That is just beyond ridiculous and goes against privacy.

Good evening Creek Dog. Good luck with akg. Pffft. Said it before, will repeat again. Zimmerman is a world class dumb ass. But in my opinion if the coroner says that the bullet trajectory backs up Zim by saying he was on his back and the bullet traveled up through Treyvon, he is going to walk. Oh, he's out of cash? Tough sh!t.

He should just wait in jail?

Why not? That's what every other accused citizen of this country does if they don't have the cash to come up with a bond. What makes Zimmerman so special?

jail for him and a public defender or his father

G'evening Stonepipe...

When I say Out. I'm done.

But when you come along, then I have a second to mention that you have a good night and we'll do it all again tomorrow.... ;-)

Take care and see you then...

Alskagirl,

You are ridiculous. Your logic doesn't even make sense. To tell you the truth most of those crazy gun tottin' Right wingnut Republicans probably would agree that Zimmerman is guilty as charged. It really has nothing to do with the second amendment or even the stand your ground law. It has to do with a murder of an innocent person. Also and please keep your racist comments to yourself. No one wants to hear them. Just because you feel like society has picked on you. I don't know what race you are, but it doesn't matter. Your logical thinking is not there, so I guess no one needs to worry about you trying to raise a revolution of sorts.

Skiing, there was no order from the police for him to not follow Martin. The 911 operator has no such legal authority since the operator is not a peace officer and anyway did not tell him to not follow Martin, it was suggested that he stay by his vehicle. Martin followed Zimmerman after Zimmerman check on where Martin was going and returned to his vehicle.

I wish I could be surprised at how long Big Lies stay around. Hitler was right, repeat a lie often enough and everyone believes it.

As for the 60,000+ living expenses, I doubt that Zimmerman is doing any shopping on his own. Delivery services can be expensive as can hiring someone to do the shopping for you.

Almost $62,000 for living expenses, where is this guy living. I live in a beautiful 3 bdrm 3 bath 1700 square foot townhouse in a very nice location in southern CA and my annual rent is only a little over one third of that- where is this guy living. Zimmerman is milking donors to his defense fund and living high on the hog off their donations. When you realize that this is all tax free money, you realize just how much this really is. This amount is well above the median household income in this country, and that is in terms of gross income, not net. When you look at were the money has gone, most of it has been spent on things that have nothing to do with his actual legal defense. The bail bond, living expenses, and security add up to more than two thirds of the money that has been spent. Of course Zimmerman is not working, he is living off the donations. This guy must be using money that people donated to pay his legal fees to live a lavish lifestyle if he has that much in living expenses, or is that money really going to pay off his and his wife's personal debts that they had from before all this started. Either some of that money is going to things other than legitimate living expenses or Zimmerman is eating lobster and fillet mignon every night and living in a luxury home. The cost of living in FL is just not that high. I think this is just one more example of Zimmerman not telling the truth.

2little2lateforBRAINS:

You are an idiot.

The "living expense / security" costs are accumulated not per-month. He's basically living out of motel rooms as he can't exactly rent or buy a place to live. The "security" cost is for all aspects including paying extra to ensure his name doesn't show up on any publicly listed files or documents that may indicate his whereabouts or a way to contact him. He's basically living on the run, though most expensive as vigilantes are more dangerous then the police to him.

The sad part of all this is the sheer amount of incorrect information being repeated as though it was true. There was no ignoring of a "police order to stop", it was a 911 dispatcher (not a police officer under oath) informing him that he shouldn't do that (not an order). After hearing that he immediately stopped and said to the dispatcher that he couldn't see the guy anymore (he ceased following TM). He then turned back towards his car while he and the dispatcher had a quick few words about where the police should meet him at.

If your planning on killing someone you don't tell the police where your going to be at when you so.

That pretty much removes murder as something he did (1st and 2nd). At most your looking at manslaughter or negligent homicide , and those are both assuming GZ attacked TM first. If TM attacked GZ first then it's justified self defense. That's all without even going into the "Stand Your Ground" law which is just a way for a defense to skip the trial and have the case thrown out if they can convince a judge that the defendant was worried for their life and acted out of self defense.

skiing said: "carryingconcealed, so it was okay when he ignored a police order to stop following Trayvon Martin? And considering your name is carryingconcealed, my guess is you wouldn't be as calm about approaching Zimmerman if he was following you, like you suggest Trayvon should have. You're a joke dude. A gun nut, right wingy joke."

Okay, so let me educate you here, skiing: it wasn't a police officer who told him to stop following, it was a 911 dispatcher. Get the difference, fool?

Second, I love how you idiot liberals have transitioned from your standard toothless, bible-thumping wingnuts to now we're gun-toting wingnuts. Y'all are so original. I mean, did you really think of that all by your widdle selves?

As for you, FakerepublicanforOdumbo, it would appear that the only fool on here trying to intimidate people is you. I mean after all, it's you who said that our days are numbered and that you're going to "OUT" all of us gun owners, right? Ooooh, can you feel the collect shiver?

You're entertaining if nothing else...

IMHO, Pig face is guilty of stalking and first degree murder of an innocent young boy, who was just walking home to his fathers apartment....

Zimmerman, should rot in hell...

My heart goes out to Martins family...

Just like government waste, I wonder how much of that stack of money actually went for Cocaine and hookers? Already broke and haven't done a damn thing in court except lie about money.

so it was okay when he ignored a police order to stop following Trayvon Martin?

I fail to see how a 911 dispatcher saying "We don't need you to do that" amounts to a police order. In my opinion that is a statemet and not a direct order.

As for those of you complaining about his living expenses, this covers home, utilities, food, necessites. If he was in jail, the taxpayers have to foot the bill. At least this way its voluntary donation footing the bill.

As to why he needs security, all you have to do is read the comments posted on this thread.

He should get paid for doing the world a favor.....he saved us from a budding 'gangsta'...Trevon got EXACTLY what he had coming...live with it.

And you know this how? I still don't get how you Zimbots get that this 17 year old is a "gangsta" or a thug. And to say anyone deserved to die just shows that you are inhuman in so many ways!! Trayvon was simply walking back to the place he was staying, wearing a hoodie and talking on the phone. Whatever he may have done in the past (all 17 years of it) has absolutely nothing to do with this case. George ZimmerMUrderer has no idea who Trayvon was so how can Trayvon's past have anything to do with that night. I'll answer that for all you Zimbots - NOTHING!!

I sure hope you don't have to face KARMA - cause she is a bitch!!

It is so funny to watch so many that know so little continue to repeat things that have been so long proven false.

Police did NOT tell Zimmerman to stop anything. He talked to a non-emergency 911 operator who "suggested" that they did not need him to follow. He then agreed and turned around and was walking to see a street name to tell her where to have the police meet him at his truck. Martin had since turned around from his previous course and backtracked to confront Zimmerman.

This is all established fact and backed up by the undoctored audio tape.

Zimmerman was breaking no laws. It was not illegal for him to follow someone, it was not illegal for him to be armed and since he was not currently on duty as watch, he was not even breaking one of their NON legal protocols about being armed on watch.

However, regardless of what reason you think you have, coming up to someone and starting a physical altercation is a crime and under Florida law, if you get shot, it's on you.

It will all play out in court and Zimmerman will win, no doubt. He will then sue the special prosecution for unlawful prosecution and likely win. The Martin team screwed themselves by going for a murder wrap which will be impossible to prove and if he is found innocent under Stand You Ground, they will not even be able to try a civil or wrongful death suit since there will have been no crime to base it on.

I am so looking forward to hearing all of the air-headed liberal dimwits rant and I will enjoy hearing their gaskets pop left and right. :)

Crime stoppers should help him out.

It's obvious he's tapping into specific groups to support his cause (and his lifestyle).

He should be assigned a public defender just like every other defendant who cannot afford an attorney.

Isn't it great how MSN is so un-biased? "...an unarmed black teenager..." what does race have to do with the story? Does it matter if the kid was black, white, pink, purple, or orange?

More race baiting...

NBC should pay his defense fees since they practically guaranteed Zimmerman an unfair trial with their "editing" of the 911 call that was well publicized. The 911 dispatcher asked what race Treyvon was before Zimmerman brought it up. NBC left out that little snippet in an attempt to make Zimmerman look racist.

Out of funds???????????? Well isn't that just tough luck!

Too bad Zimmerman....

Too bad! Give him a public defender like other poor folks get.

If he hadn't stalked and killed a young black teenager he wouldn't be in the mess he's in today.

Actions have consequences, and as for Zimmerman, let the bigoted pos rot in jail where he belongs.

RepublicansForObama-6186389

You Ted Nugent NRA "Gun-Nut" types are justed Emotionally Upset

because you sent in All your Hard earned Money to George Zimmerman's

I believe in the constitution and Americans right to bear arms and I believe Zimmerman abused his right and murder a young man. So just because one believes in the constitutions right to bear arms doesn't mean they believe Zimmerman's actions was ok.

No way in hell would I give him my hard earn money when he was careless and reckless and put his own self in this position.

Its simple pal..you don't have money to pay a lawyer..get a freaking public defender like all others have too.

Forget the donations..last time you and your old lady did that..you spent it on everything but lawyers!!!

Sue every media outlet that manipulated and edited the story to fir their corrupt agenda. Those evil bas'terds' need to be put back in their place and the wallet is a great place. If there was ever a validated lawsuit it is with this guy whom the media portrayed as discriminating killer when its the media that are. The Zionist Media at that.

- Trayvon had every right to confront him about being followed, but the fact that he used violence instead (imagine that) was his own error in judgment and he paid for it with his life. (Pity)

That's a big assumption. Maybe Zimmerman made it physical. In fact at this point I would tend to assume Zimmerman is lying. We are expected to believe he didn't remember what street he lived on for the last three years and had to go find a street sign. Give me a break

stopfreeloaders

liberal loons quickly forget that the new Black panther welfare whores put a bounty on him.

Another FOX lover, just for your info the whole Black Panther thing is bogus. On election day 2 older black men with black berets stood by as Certified pole watchers. FOX network blew the whole thing up into a Black Panther Party taking over the country. Get a life the Black Panther Party has as much influence as the Girl Scouts. By the way, only 10% of those on welfare are black.

IXLR8:

George will never be convicted due to "beyond a resonablle doubt" with or without a lawyer. I have a Paypal and just sent a few dollars for American justice to prevail........

Alright! You, Sir, are a fine Patriot and compassionate human being!

Hey, listen....since we're talking here....I've got this very low mileage bridge I can let you have really cheap. It was only driven on by a little old lady when she went to church.....and she wasn't very religious, so she didn't use it often!

skiing111

Of course he can work. Hate to tell you but not everyone awaiting trial gets to have people donate to their household and living expenses. 56K paid for security? That's the biggest joke of them all. The wannabe cop needs to pay 56K for security? The average defendant doesn't get to pay someone 56K for security. This is just their way of begging the naive public for more money.

The average defendant hasn't received thousands of death threats either. They also don't have hate groups like the New Black Panther Party putting out rewards for his "capture". The poor guy in Florida who got stuck with GZ's old cell phone number has received dozens of death threats as well.

Regardless of whether you believe him innocent or guilty, there is a clear threat to his safety.

To the guy who stated that "he should have just stayed safe in jail". Would you stay in jail and let others handle your defense in a situation where you could face life in prison? Try and work with your attorneys thru a little hole in the glass? For a limited time each day? Considering the fact that he'd have to stay out of general population or risk being shanked by someone looking for the notoriety, I'd want to be out on bail as well.

On a side note, just a quick read of the various comments here has me firmly believing that forced medicating is not such a bad idea.

Debi-1314897

It's obvious he's tapping into specific groups to support his cause (and his lifestyle).

He should be assigned a public defender just like every other defendant who cannot afford an attorney.

Why? So we taxpayers get shafted with paying for his defense? We're already paying for the prosecution. Feel free to not donate to his fund and move on. But I'm all for letting people with the money, send him some. It means the rest of us are not paying his filing fees and assorted other crap. Isn't that what you Cons are always talking about? Smaller government? Well when you're stuck having to hire the extra clerks and judges to cover all the cases where you want to provide him these free services, that's not shrinking the government.

That's a big assumption. Maybe Zimmerman made it physical. In fact at this point I would tend to assume Zimmerman is lying.

And what evidence do you have to the contrary? TM's body has no defense wounds on it, no bruises, scrapes, cuts or tears. Other then the gaping chest wound and the scrapes on his knuckles there are no injuries on TM's body at all. There is nothing to indicate TM was hit in any way.

Now GZ on the other hand has defense wounds all over him. Two black eyes and a broken nose as the most visible, along with bruising and cuts to the back of his head. All these wounds on consistent with being punched, beat on and having ones head slammed against the ground.

We are expected to believe he didn't remember what street he lived on for the last three years and had to go find a street sign. Give me a break

Ahh that explains it, more selective reading. They weren't on GZ's street, they were in his neighborhood. Also he wasn't walking back to look a street sign but for an address on a house near his car, something to tell the police exactly where he was rather then a general location. If your planning on killing someone, you do not tell the police exactly where to find you.

I don't trust anyone's testimony, I trust the evidence as presented. What has been presented so far is medical records, audio transcripts and GZ's version of events. As TM is dead, he can not provide a step by step account, instead we rely on medical history and forensics. Forensics has already come back, the bullet was fired from more then 6 inches and less then 36 inches (less then 1m) and at an angle that suggests firing upwards. This actually corroborates GZ's story of TM reaching for the gun and GZ quickly pulling it and firing it while being on the bottom. Chances are GZ didn't even aim and just got lucky (or unlucky depending on your point of view).

laffinatfools

It is so funny to watch so many that know so little continue to repeat things that have been so long proven false.

Your story is filled with "so long prov-en false" that I can't help but laugh. Zimmerman was acting as a Block Watch representative when he followed Martin. Zimmerman tried to be a hero when he disregarded the dispatchers "we don't want you to do that" and the training for block watch to call 911 and stand-by. In one report Zimmerman says he was almost to his car another says he was walking away from his car. He killed Martin over 100 feet from his car. Zimmerman patrolled this area and knew it like the back of his hand and had no need for a street sign.

Zimmerman listens to the dispatcher and stands by his car and waits for police. The police investigate and find Martin living with has father in the complex holding a Pepsi and a bag of Skittles. No harm No foul No one dies. It's Zimmerman's choices that set this whole mess in motion.

ps. Is this a Great post, or what?

Yeah Sparky....you're a legend in your own mind, to the rest of us you're just the village idiot.

ps. I can't wait till Obama stacks the Supreme Court

with as many Socialists aka Dems, Marxists, Leninists,

and some good-old Fashion, old-style Soviet Commies as he can!

maybe there will be one spot left for an anal retentive loser like yourself. Whats wrong Jethro, can't handle the fact that the majority of Americans don't actually have the same views as you? Go ahead, say what's on your mind, Acorn stole the election and the Black Panthers provided security.....putz.

BOO HOO...Zimms out of money.....Trayvon is out of life....both because of Zimmerman's own actions.......

LAUGHINATFOOLS.....Your screen name implies that you must bust out laughing when you look in a mirror.

He talked to a non-emergency 911 operator who "suggested" that they did not need him to follow.

Tell me.....what number should I dial to talk to "non-emergency 911"????

Can't believe this case is still going on, I suppose it will go as long as the money flows, then they will be forced to seek a verdict till then everyone is getting rich, how nice. drag it till some more money can be donated to the defence lawyers vacation and retirement fund. why don't the lawyers just dip into their book rights and use some of that.

And what evidence do you have to the contrary?

You think because someone is getting their ass kicked it means they didn't start the fight? Also Zimmerman could have simply push Marin or grabbed him. How would you know? You are just guessing like every else and since Martin is dead we only have the killers side of the story.

Ahh that explains it, more selective reading. They weren't on GZ's street, they were in his neighborhood. Also he wasn't walking back to look a street sign but for an address on a house near his car, something to tell the police exactly where he was rather then a general location. If your planning on killing someone, you do not tell the police exactly where to find you.

Sorry you are simply wrong on this. There are THREE streets in the complex. First you would think someone who is a neighborhood watch would know the names off all three, but let's just assume for a second he's a complete idiot and only knows the one street he lives on. What he told the police is that he walked down to foot path to the next street to look for a street sign. That street was THE STREET HE LIVED ON. In fact when he was questioned by the police about how he didn't know the name of the street he lived on, he said he had a bad memory and took medication for aattention deficit hyperactivity disorder. So he admits that he couldn't remember the name of his street. Sorry but this just pushes credibility in my book. You don't even know your own address? Yeah right!

Forensics has already come back, the bullet was fired from more then 6 inches and less then 36 inches (less then 1m) and at an angle that suggests firing upwards. This actually corroborates GZ's story of TM reaching for the gun and GZ quickly pulling it and firing it while being on the bottom.

LOL! How you came up with that I'll never know, and even if it were true it doesn't mean Zimmerman didn't start the fight, just that he was losing.

The number in the state of washington is 2062963311. Non-Emergency dispatch number do exist. They are for non-emergencies...

When you're a grown man, way beyond 16 years old, you're supposed to act with some integrity.

The fact that a 16 year old, skinny, little dude is walking through your neighborhood, and you noticed he was black, should tell you that there is no need for any problems unless the skinny dude tries to hurt somebody while he walking around. Unless you think skinny little black dude needs a lesson..

It's wrong that the little skinny dude got killed. He actually was confronted by Zimmerman. Without comfrontation, nothing would have happened. But Zimmerman made murder A REALITY! The skinny dude actually got the best of Zimmerman, even though Zimmerman outweighed him. Zimmerman started it, Martin was just walking on with no worries, except the bigot who ran up behind him. And then pulled a gun to shoot him dead.

Pay for your crime Zimmerman. Admit you wanted to ultimately judge a man like yourself! With DEATH!

It's time to punish Zimmerman. Completely out of control. Probably a rascist and bigot. Teach him a lesson for not being a GOOD AMERICAN. Not just a middle of the road BIGOT to let off. That's an insult!

murdered

Regardless of whether you believe him innocent or guilty, there is a clear threat to his safety.

There is a clear threat to his safety by his own doing. Why should others be responsible for that? That's one of the reasons for our impending demise; people expecting everyone else to take on their responsibilities. If Zimmerman was man enough to kill another human being, he should be man enough to take the death threats.

Why? So we taxpayers get shafted with paying for his defense?

According to our laws, everyone is entitled to a defense attorney. Hopefully Zimmerman will be assigned the Public Defender he so justly deserves and which I wouldn't mind my tax dollars funding.

I PLEDGE $500,000 TO HIS DEFENSE FUND.

The rest of you pay it.

good-luck i am broke toooooo ! tell zimmerman to stop hounding people for money shame on him !

Forget about who it is for a moment. Over $1Million to defend yourself - and again, not Z, but the law says "innocent until....." Who the f— thinks an innocent person should have to spend $1M to defend himself? Public defender, you say? Fine, as long as the prosecutor can spend exactly the same amount as the public defender, and not a penny more. How could it be a "fair trial" when the prosecution could care less about costs? And, no, I'm not talking about Z specifically. There are, in fact, people who are falsely accused. If the prosecutor is wrong, does he/she have to pay? Go to jail?

Yes, legal costs are far more out of control than any other industry. Think about it. We complain about "unfairness." Legislators (who are lawyers most frequently) enact laws which, for the most part, can be spun to make us feel better, but do nothing to fix any problem. They do, however, raise more money through fines and fees, and provide more work for prosecuting and defense lawyers, both of whom will challenge the laws, right or wrong, resulting in more work for the judge and staff, and eventually, getting back to the politicians, so that they can see the need to keep the old law, AND write a new one to supercede the old, so that......

What do you call that?

You think because someone is getting their ass kicked it means they didn't start the fight? Also Zimmerman could have simply push Marin or grabbed him. How would you know? You are just guessing like every else and since Martin is dead we only have the killers side of the story.

I'm using the available evidence as presented. There very well could of been space aliens who killed TM or a third shooter on the grassy knoll. We can stay here all day making up various scenarios that have zero proof behind them. Instead I simply look at existing evidence and go from there. Your really just attempting to use a flawed emotionally charged argument to convince people that what you say is true even when there is nothing corroborating it.

To prevent cognitive dissonance from setting in your choosing to ignore any evidence that doesn't support your already preconceived version of events. There could of been a video recording of the whole thing that showed GZ getting jumped and you'd still insist that GZ "murdered" TM.

As of now there is no evidence that GZ threw a single punch or attacked TM. There is currently medical evidence that TM attacked and injured GZ. The work up on the bullet wound has it's trajectory coming from under the chest and from an intermediate distance (6 to 36 inches). Not a contact shot but close enough to have powder burns on TM's shirt and chest. That puts them in close quarters of each other on the ground, not standing at a distance. The injuries on GZ indicate he was laying on the ground and the lack of injuries on TM indicate he was beating GZ's a$$.

The real question comes down to who initiated the conflict and by initiated I mean physically attacked the other. If GZ attacked TM then there is no self defense claim, if TM attacked GZ then there is a valid self defense claim. Much of the court antics will be over whether TM attacked GZ or not. It'll be interesting seeing the prosecution trying to explain around how TM could of possibly ended up in the same area as GZ after TM ran off in the opposite direction.

Their also going to have to explain how TM doesn't have any bruises, scraps or cuts on his arms / chest / face. If GZ was actively defending himself then TM should have impact injuries on his arms / chest / face. Even if GZ was a horrible fighter and did little more then flail about, TM is not Bruce Lee or some secret martial arts master. TM would of got hit and even a glancing blow that does no real damage will leave an impact mark that heals over a day or so. As TM died during this confrontation those marks would not of healed and would of been easy for the coroner to spot. This would lead and expert to believe that GZ never got off any hits as was surprised when he got knocked to the ground. While on the ground he received two black eyes and a broken nose and then ended the fight by pulling this gun and firing. At that range while being on the ground there is very little room / time to actually aim.

Now as much as you want rail against the "gun toting conservative killer wacko", that's just no the case. No matter how I deconstruct the evidence I can't see a situation where GZ attacks TM first, which is the entire cruz of the case. Everything else is just fluff and circumstantial evidence at best, distractions at worse. It's not illegal to follow someone, not illegal to carry a firearm while following someone, and not illegal to get out of your car while carrying a firearm while following someone. If you point it at someone and / or communicate a threat then we're talking a different story entirely. What GZ did up to the pulling of the trigger was legal, though stupid. This case revolves around whether him pulling that trigger was legally self defense or not. Everything else anyone (supporters or not) tries to use as justification is just BS fluff.

Also my final comments. In the USA we have this thing called the bill of rights, which was later made a part of the Constitution. That forms the base for our legal system which is that someone is innocent until proven guilty by a jury of their peers. George Zimmerman is right now an innocent man regardless of what some people feel about the matter. He will walk into that court room an innocent man and unless the prosecution can convince twelve people that GZ is guilty of 2nd degree murder beyond a reasonable doubt, he will walk out of that court as an innocent man. That is the US legal system, if you don't like it then move to another country where they hold kangaroo trials if they even bother to do that.

this has been going on 11 months and he lost his job, had to relocate him and his wife, had to get security because all of 'guilty until proven innocent' guys... Florida is putting major resources on the case so there's major bills coming for defense...

so him being out $56k on 24hr security for almost a year and out 62K for all the living expenses required for him to move to 2 new places with his wife because of the security problem... doesn't sound the least bit out of line to me... and for all you idiots saying thats living high on the hog... you might want to get out of the 80s and come to present day

reality is: regardless of who started the fight, at the end Trayvon was on top of him breaking his nose and pounding his head on the ground.... that's plenty of grounds for use of deadly force in self defense... so he's walking

I think he is guilty as sin so I would not donate a penny, He could have stopped his pursuit and Trayvon would still be alive and he wouldn't be standing there with his hat in his hand, now those that think he did the right thing PUT your money where you mouth is and DONATE .... It's not guns that scare me but the people that carry them.

The items for legal support makes it sound like the lawyer's secretary, and office overhead. The lawyers must be getting paid something. What ? Likely the lawyers put out these numbers. And it's likely the lawyers collected part of that security, part of the household, part of, part of, etc. So we see why it takes years to get a case to court. The industry has taken $315k from this guy in one year and is asking for $30k a month form here on to keep it going. So we see why some people plead guilty - just to stop the defense bills !

• Household/living expenses - $61,747.54?
• Security - $56,100.00?

Put him back in jail where he belongs. There!! I've saved him almost $120,000 instantly!!

This man doesn't bring up a warm feeling of innocents wrongly accused. He is an armed antagonistic stalker at a minimum, as described by his actions. One thing everyone is taught in a Florida conceal carry class is if you ever shoot someone claim he was going to kill you! If you kill the person there is no 2nd version of the story so shoot straight.

Zimmerman had his '15 minutes of fame'. Now that it's over and he's no longer the right-winger's useful idiot, he is going to have to work through his legal troubles the way the rest of us do. That and accept the consequences of his actions like a grown-up.

Time is on the side of the prosecutor…..no matter how long it takes gz will have to face the music sometime.

Here is de la Rionda’s song to gz:

Time is on my side, yes it is
Time is on my side, yes it is

Now you always say
That you want to be free
But you’ll come running back (said you would baby)
Youll come running back (I said so many times before)
Youll come running back to me

Oh, time is on my side, yes it is
Time is on my side, yes it is

Youre searching for good times
But just wait and see
Youll come running back (I wont have to worry no more)
Youll come running back (spend the rest of my life with you, baby)
Youll come running back to me

Rolling Stones-Time Is On My Side - YouTube

That Train's Coming, George by LLMPapa

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by LLMPapa

Click> The Death of Trayvon Martin - YouTube

Whonoze narrates this 47 minute animated time video using the map of the Retreat, audio statements, surveillance camera footage.

Note: He does included his OWM personal speculation at the end of the video and notes that other Trayvon advocates have different theories from his.

Whonoze just release this video this week after working on it for months.

For $61,000 he could get a new truck and a small but adequate boat, and have gas and groceries too, a livable apartment, adequate clothing and fishing gear. Throw in the $56,000 that his security ( fishing friend ) is getting and they could attend a lot of fishing tournaments while he awaits trial. These expenses aren't even close to reasonable costs. This trial is a media event. Put Zimmerman on a boat out to sea, tell him if he wants to eat, fish, and come trial time, stop by Goodwill and pick him up a suit.

Tom

Tell me.....what number should I dial to talk to "non-emergency 911"????

If you had bothered to read the evidence, you'd know.

What we are forgetting is that this is Florida, the same place where Casey Anthony is from... he's going to walk.

With that being said, he should be sitting in jail awaiting trial. Then let’s see how many continuances he requests.

I'm using the available evidence as presented. There very well could of been space aliens who killed TM or a third shooter on the grassy knoll. We can stay here all day making up various scenarios that have zero proof behind them. Instead I simply look at existing evidence and go from there. Your really just attempting to use a flawed emotionally charged argument to convince people that what you say is true even when there is nothing corroborating it. ...... bla bla bla

You write a lot and make a bunch of conclusions but you logic is full of holes. There is NOTHING to say who started the fight except the world of the killer. NOTHING! All you evidence says is that Zimmerman was getting his ass kicked but we know that at least at some point Zimmerman was following Martin and was carrying a gun while Martin was unarmed. According to what Martin's girlfriend said Martin could not NOT have jumped Zimmerman since they both saw each other before the fight started and even talked. The phone log verifies that she had several conversations with Martin and they they kept calling back and forth becuase of bad connections as she stated. No doubt someone is lying and the only thing that really matters here is credibility.

I simply don't buy the fact that someone can forget the name of the street they live on. I mean the guy is not retarded. He used the street sign story to give justification about where he was when the fight started, and when the cops called him on it, he came up with the most stupid excuse because it was probably the only thing he could think of at the time under pressure. My friends nine year old daughter has ADHD but she can still rattle off her address without trouble. The symptom of ADHD is sometimes short term memory loss, i.e. you forget what your teacher told you today etc. I've never heard of someone forgetting their address of the last three years who does not have way more serious issues. It's not credible, and credibility is everything in this case.

There are more inconsistencies in Zimmerman's story but the jury will hear the case and decide. My guess is he's going down but we will see. One thing for sure is Martin won't be caught telling any lies.

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This short video shows the movie where George got his "lines"...........of 'You got a problem?........"No, I don't have a problem'..........'You got a problem now'

joethelibtard: Nice post and nice attempt to divert from the only thing that matters, and that's that hoodie-wearing, thug-boy Martin was brutalizing GZ, and based on the way Florida's Stand Your Ground law is written, it doesn't matter one iota who started the altercation. If either party believes their life is in danger then that person has the right to use lethal force.

And let's be honest, don't we all feel our life is danger when we're confronted by hoodie-wearing thugs?

Ol' Trayvon got exactly what he deserved, just a couple of year earlier than he might have thought. So you bleedin' hearts may as well stop crying your big ol' crocodile tears over the loss of a future vote, because this trial is nothing but a formality. Zimmerman is going to walk, boy, and I am going to laugh at every liberal I see when it happens.

this has been going on 11 months and he lost his job, had to relocate him and his wife, had to get security because all of 'guilty until proven innocent' guys...

No. This has been going on because he pursued, shot and killed and unarmed man. He brought his troubles onto himself, now he needs to take all responsibility for his actions and stop whining.

Carryingconcealed

Stand Your Ground is exactly what Martin did. Zimmerman Stalked him and Martin stood his ground. Trolls like you really don't deserve a response. You can't make your point so you try to degrade everyone with your bully style tactics. Hope you have a good day and wake up tomorrow with a little more common sense than today.

Debi-1314897

this has been going on 11 months and he lost his job, had to relocate him and his wife, had to get security because all of 'guilty until proven innocent' guys...

No. This has been going on because he pursued, shot and killed and unarmed man. He brought his troubles onto himself, now he needs to take all responsibility for his actions and stop whining.

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he was walking back to his truck and got punched, slammed to the ground, mounted, ground and punded,nose broken, head bashed on the concrete mutiple times, and after all that finally resorted to the gun to defend himself

a racial outcry about a guy who had given time and considerable effort to support a black victim of another crime caused this problem for Z

he isn't whining at all... he's pointing out, correctly through his lawyers, that he's out of money... that's all

Debi... you are very naive about the realities of life.... and you are lying about what happened... and Z is gonna go free as he should,

but his life is ruined because of Trayvon deciding to give him a thug beatdown and so called black leaders lying about him being racist....

I wonder what you would do if you followed a 6 foot football player who jumped you then was bashing your head against the ground..

you are a hypocrite

I wonder what you would do if you followed a 6 foot football player who jumped you then was bashing your head against the ground..

First of all, I'd be smart enough and have enough sense not to follow a 6 foot football player, unless of course, I knew I was armed, looking for trouble and a little crazy. Zimmerman had no business getting out of his vehicle in the first place. Zimmerman started it and then chose to shoot and kill the person he pursued, then tried to make himself out to be the victim.

he isn't whining at all... he's pointing out, correctly through his lawyers, that he's out of money... that's all

And the purpose of him "pointing out...that he's out of money"? It sounds like a personal financial problem. The judge is not his financial advisor.

but his life is ruined...

Would he rather be in Trayvon's position?

you are a hypocrite

Me, a hypocrite?

Definition of HYPOCRITE

1: a person who puts on a false appearance of virtue or religion

2: a person who acts in contradiction to his or her stated beliefs or feelings

I provided you with the definition of the word hypocrite because you don't seem to know its meaning and are using the term inappropriately. If you still believe I am a hypocrite, please provide your reason why in a sentence.

"I believe Debi is a hypocrite because...(you fill in the blanks).

OLDMAN

You like so many of the ZIMBOTS dont even comprehend the simple aspect of why most people are upset with ZIMMERMAN.

Do you not understand that this country was founded on the basic principals of land ownership and that WHEN ON SOMEONES PRIVATE PROPERTY, there right to be left alone is purposeful and is to be free from goverment intrustion and undo harrasment from non management entities.

Do you not understand that ZIMMERMAN was not on his own condo property so he was NOT a representative of twin lakes, he did not hold a CONTRACT which allows him to enforce rules or expectations or stop or detain ANY ONE, as say security officer.

Do not get that at NO TIME DID HE witness a criminal act which allows citizens to sign in front of a police officer that martin did something wrong, but he couldnt do that.

SO maybe if you look at how you would feel if one of your family member(THIS IS BIG BOY STUFF) was visiting a person on private property. And then you find out that your family member is dead because some GOOF BALL didnt recognize them and then you found out that this occured after they called the police on your family member. The you also were advised the goof ball followed your family member in a vehicle and then excited a vehicle and followed your family member some more.

Now when you get to the scene you hear that the GOOF BALL is blaming your family member for attacking him, yet he refused a medical ride for injuries, he was coherent and gave a preliminary statement at the scene and later you found out that he said he was fine with how your family member died , because it was an act of god and yet you know your family member was on there cell phone and was on video at a store that they left to come back to the home of where they were an official guest!!

NICE TRY ugh

Excellent post, CJ!

Exactly CJ!

cj

Most people are not upset at GZ. They are upset at the mythical GZ that was created by the sliced and diced 9-11 tape aired over and over by NBC.

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KPM55

the only mythical one is you-- your need to keep COMMENTING on the smallest tiniest part of this case is absolutely ABSURD.

the ACTION zimmerman took against martin IS IN HIS OWN WORDS. thats WHAT PEOPLE are upset about because they realize that ZIMMERMAN not only had no right to do anything to martin but to ANY CITIZEN.

the fact that he did it to martin only solidifies the underneath of our society, that still shows that the zimmermans are alive and real.

And people from every color under the sun are tired of the zimmerman types that cant get over there own personal issues with color.

And it appears you cant either!

cj

Release yourself from your racism.

KPM53

once again this has nothing to do with racism,

it has to do with the ability for a person / any person to be left alone while on private property where public law does not dictate the actions on that property with out the input of someone representing that property to enforce those property rules or expectations, WHICH could not be or allowed to be zimmerman.

try to pay attention.

The issue is, he wasn't charged until blacks in America FORCED the police to charge him... he was guilty until proven innocent.

This is simply discimination.

Sadden American 2012

The issue is, he wasn't charged until blacks in America FORCED the police to charge him... he was guilty until proven innocent.

This is simply discimination.

hahahahahahah, lmeffenao here....

Discrimination my azz. He was told to not follow the young black man and decided to play dirty cop and shot an innocent boy with skittles and a drink.

If anyone was discriminated against, it would be Trayvon Martin. Not this fatazz pos Zimmerman.

It's gonna be a nightmare when he's either acquitted or the trial is dismissed. Though I do believe the judge will be pressured to force a trial, the state needs a very public trial so they can say they "did something". The defense will have an easy time proving reasonable doubt, which is all they need to do. At this point in time the prosecution is trying to railroad him which is why he needs an "OK" defense team.

I'll donate some money as I'm sure many others will. This isn't about GZ vs TM, it's about standing up for due process as guaranteed by the constitution. A man is innocent until proven guilty, beyond a reasonable doubt by a jury of his peers. Not innocent by declaration of the posters of NBC or any other forum.

otherguy, you do remember they lied to the judge about the money they received over the internet?

But, please donate. The more money spent by people willing to support the Z man the less can be spent on other more sinister projects.

Other more sinister projects like what exactly??

therguy, you do remember they lied to the judge about the money they received over the internet?

Didn't lie, merely neglected to disclose. Not exactly the same thing, though the media won't let you onto that.

They did inform their lawyer who then told them they should of informed the judge. They then told the judge about it. That judge said some overly bad things and made the $1,000,000 bond. Later that judge was removed from the trial due to him being prejudiced.

Do you guys not keep up with the details or just gloss over the general info?

Otherguy I'm still waiting to find out what these "other more sinister projects" are

Otherguy I'm still waiting to find out what these "other more sinister projects" are

Umm ... you have a reading comprehension problem? I never, at any time, mentioned anything about "sinister projects"..... ever.

Same old - same old. I think people are just stating their opinions of whether they think Zimmerman is guilty or not guilty which we have every right to do. Of course he is innocent until proven guilty but the amount of lying he has done and the fact that he has 5 different versions of what happened that night makes me a little suspicious. The fact that he wasnt arrested right on the spot because he did in fact shoot and kill someone which is at least second degree murder. He admitted he did it. Here in Canada all one needs is probable cause - and a dead body laying on the ground is all the probably cause they need. He should be in jail awaiting his trial. Our people stay in jail until after the trial is over as do most people - why is he the exception. Trayvon cant tell his side of the story - Zimmerman made sure of that so what is going to have to happen is that the jury just believes everything he says and yes he will be acquitted. But I dont think a jury is that stupid. Now the only question I have is why is he getting this high paid lawyer when the average person gets a court mandated attorney - why is he so special?? And another thing that really annoys me is what people are saying about the victim. How do you know he was a gang banger, no good low life who deserved to die. Look up his past anywhere and nowhere will you find behaviour to indicate that is true. Now it always annoys me that you guys in the US always bring racism into everything you comment on but in this case I am going to say that if that was a white kid none of that would be being said about him. Everyone there just assumes black kids that age are gang bangers etc., even when a young boy just goes to the store to get some skittles and ice tea. So does that mean every black kid who goes and gets skittles and ice tea and is walking home talking on the phone deserves to die. Zimmerman crossed the line somewhere and I am looking forward to his trial to see just what the prosecution has on him. It is just too bad Trayvon cant give his version of things - but that is right - I forgot - he is dead.

Otherguy my reading comprehension is just fine. IMHO is the one who made the comment and since you were the only one who responded I said I was still waiting to find out in the hopes that perhaps you knew what he/she meant by "Other more sinister projects"

IHMO, you're right. The people donating money were going to make big green monsters with bolts through their necks from dead bodies. That sounds pretty sinister. But now they don't have the funds.

SHar-2704637

Trayvon cant tell his side of the story - Zimmerman made sure of that so what is going to have to happen is that the jury just believes everything he says and yes he will be acquitted. But I dont think a jury is that stupid

I'm wondering if you followed the Cassey Anthony trial???

I find it funny that the anti-GZ crowd's logic is basically

"TM can't tell his side so we must assume that GZ is guilty and is lying"

Assumption of guilt prior to the trial is something China, Iran, Pakistan and various other nations do.

I sincerely hope you guys never find yourself in a situation where your being accused of something you didn't do. By your own logic there shouldn't be a trial and they should just execute you on the spot Dredd style.

gzs story of the night of February 26, 2012 is full of lies.

gz said that Trayvon was pounding his head into the concrete and punching his face when gz shot him. The forensic evidence proves that this is NOT true---There was NONE of gz's blood or DNA on Trayvon's hands.

gz said that Trayvon was smothering gz by putting his hands on gz's mouth and nose. The forensic evidence proves this is NOT true---There was NONE of gz's DNA on Trayvon's hands.

gz PURSUED Trayvon with a loaded gun from one end of the neighborhood to the other first by car, then on foot.

gz had unfounded suspicions of Trayvon who was simply walking innocently home from the store. Trayvon was not what gz said he was......that is, Trayvon was NOT one of those "a$$holes who always get away" NOR was Trayvon a "fu@king punk"

In fact, Investigator Serino said he was a "mild mannered" kid with a bright future:

Serino: OK. So you’d understand where this is going from because this, right here, this 17-year-old boy would be one of those kids who would have been a success story.

Serino: Trayvon Benjamin Martin. He was born in 1995, February the 5th. He was 17 years old. An athlete, um, probably somewhere, somebody who was gonna be in avionautics, um, a kid with a future. A kid with folks that care. In his possession we found a, uh, can of, uh, iced tea and a bag of Skittles. And about $40 in cash. Not a goon.

Don't forget GZ says it is HIM crying for help on the 911 audio, yet he says it doesn't sound like him...AND he says he was being smothered up until the point he pulled the trigger...

hmmmmmmm...can't have it both ways can he? GZ may have called for help, but the anguished painful pleas for help, caught on the 911 audio, were from a young man barely 17, pleading for his life...

YEP and YEP!!!

It is common for people not to recognize their recorded voice as their own.

And since GZ was not dead from suffication by TM, common sense would dictate that there were times during the attack by TM that GZ was able to take breathes and therefore also scream for help.

None of GZ's DNA on TM. Was GZ even there that night? DNA evidence says no.

LMAO

"mild mannered" kid with a bright future.....did this detective not also say he had TM's phone with the whole event recorded on it?

LMAO

Yep Yep......speak rover.....Yep Yep.....good boy.....now roll over......now play dead

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Sadden American 2012

He's being tried because he isn't black... how is that anything to do with making "better decisions"? He's being railroaded, and the State of Florida is seeing to it that a white man's life is being ruined.

Once again, when the 911 dispatcher told him to stay in the car and not follow Trayvon Martin, he should have listened and Trayvon would still be alive today.

Capiche?

My comment was based on his spending habits. Do you spend $60K a year for household/living expenses? I am sure that you would make better decisions if you only had a limited amount of funds. Wouldn't you?

Sadden, he claims he left. There is nothing backing that up.

Laffy Taffy,

The dispatcher did not tell him to stay in the car and not follow. That is bull@!$%# and you know it. Stop with the lies, it makes you look even more stupid than you already are. If you don't believe me, try going back and looking at the actual transcripts of the conversation and then come back and recant what you said, if you have any balls.

ChefEric13

Laffy Taffy,

The dispatcher did not tell him to stay in the car and not follow. That is bull@!$%# and you know it. Stop with the lies, it makes you look even more stupid than you already are. If you don't believe me, try going back and looking at the actual transcripts of the conversation and then come back and recant what you said, if you have any balls.

George Zimmerman Heard Dispatcher Tell Him To Stop ...

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Jun 21, 2012 – “The dispatcher told me not to follow the suspect and that an officer ... the police dispatcher and continued to follow Martin who was trying to ...

George Zimmerman: Trayvon Martin threatened my life - CNN.com

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Jun 22, 2012 – Read the written statement from Zimmerman to police about what happened (PDF) ... profiled Martin and ignored a 911 dispatcher's advice not to follow him. .... He tells Zimmerman he has received an anonymous phone call ...

George Zimmerman Says Trayvon Martin's Last Words Were, "Okay ...

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Apr 20, 2012 – Zimmerman alleges that Martin attacked him, beat him down, and attempted to .... We heard the police tell Zimmerman NOT to follow Trayvon.

Your name is Sadden American 2012 because: You are out of date and out of touch. Just like the rest of the crowd of morons who watch Faux News. What a sad american. It's 2013 numb nuts!

Zimmerman was NOT talking to a 911 operator, he was talking to a non-emergency police dispatch. So he was in fact talking to a police officer who said that they did not need him to follow Martin, and George said OK, which means he acknowledged hearing the instruction. He chose not to follow it.

Taffy

Why dont you go read the actual police reports and not the crap on some pro Martin website, youll find out how wrong you are.

Chris

You have no way of knowing what GZ did after he acknowledgedwhat the dispatcher said. In order to convict, they have to prove ZImmerman started the fight, and they have absolutely no way of doing that.

Well no, you don't have to pay for his defense tresorier, they are taking donations - clearly you won't be donating.

Tresorier if we shut down the banks, oil co. and the gas companies will that make you happy. NO? ok how about if we stop people from giving of their own free will to Zim will that do it? NO! How about if we make you and Joseph Kony supreme rulers of the planet?

Sadden American 2012

Victim?? That man Trevon ATTACKED Zimmerman... it's documented that Zimmerman was confronted by that thug, Trevon. How do you get that the thug is the Victim?

Yet once again, when the 911 dispatcher told him to stay in the car and not follow Trayvon Martin, he should have listened and Trayvon would still be alive today.

Capiche?

Daffy Taffy... IF you actually read up on this, he DID leave the scene. The 911 operator was not a law enforcement agency. Zimmerman only stood by so the police would know what was going on. It's stated in the official police report that Zimmerman was on he way to his SUV when Trevon attacked him. IF that thug hadn't attacked Zimmerman, that thug would still be alive.

Spend sometime away from your online porn to study what you're speaking about...

Victim?? That man Trevon ATTACKED Zimmerman... it's documented that Zimmerman was confronted by that thug, Trevon. How do you get that the thug is the Victim?

Yeah, It's documented by Zimmerman himself. Hay now there's a idea. We could save a lot of money. We can just as each guy who's up for murder if he did it, and if he says no we let him go. Then we don't have to spend money on a trial. Makes perfect sense.

DING! DING! DING!

WE HAVE A WINNER!

Sadden The Idiot Troll of the Night.

Also remember where both Zim and his wife perjured themselves about not having any money to get the bail reduced.

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How much is the pharmaceutical speed he uses for ADHD?

Sadden american, In the recorded telephone calls from Zimmerman's time in jail there are several recordings where he is directing his wife to pay off credit card bills, automobile loans and their Sam's Club account. Also his spending has been reported by his own legal team which reported an inital spending of 36,000 dollars in 18 days including paying 6500 on telephone and internet services (new cell phones, new landline, paying contracts in full), 7,000 in credit card bills, 4,378 on car loans, 1500 to rent a third car etc etc. So again I am saying...he is scamming people that were honestly trying to help him. Not only this, but the whole time he and his wife were sitting on 200,000 that they weren't reporting to even his own legal team, which led to the perjury charges for his wife. They are dishonest.

LOL ditto the "forgot" thing.

You forget, in THIS country you are presumed innocent until proven guilty. Black in this Country don't care about due process. They, as that racist in the White House, do not care about the laws of this Country.

Not according to Zimmerman. He prejudged a young black teen and killed him in cold blood.

Daffy Taffy can't comprehend... so I have to cut and past, once again:

Daffy Taffy... IF you actually read up on this, he DID leave the scene. The 911 operator was not a law enforcement agency. Zimmerman only stood by so the police would know what was going on. It's stated in the official police report that Zimmerman was on he way to his SUV when Trevon attacked him. IF that thug hadn't attacked Zimmerman, that thug would still be alive.

Spend sometime away from your online porn to study what you're speaking about...

Beside, what does the fact Trevon is black have to do with anything?

Beside, what does the fact Trevon is black have to do with anything?

Because being black he's therefor more equal then someone who's partially white and should have better civil protections. His being black means anyone hurting him shouldn't have to be afforded the civil liberties of the 5th amendment. It also means a partially white individual isn't entitled to self defense, they must allow the privileged back individual to beat them. It's only their place after all.

So sad to see the civil rights movement so twisted against it's original purpose. Instead of being about equal treatment for all (including white people) it's become a crusade to provide greater treatment to anyone who's not "white".

Because being black he's therefor more equal then someone who's partially white and should have better civil protections. His being black means anyone hurting him shouldn't have to be afforded the civil liberties of the 5th amendment. It also means a partially white individual isn't entitled to self defense, they must allow the privileged back individual to beat them. It's only their place after all.

Wow, there's a lot of anxious white guys out their cleaning AR-15s and doing some serious projecting. Are you HONESTLY trying to sell a load of "white guys don't any breaks" bullcrap?

White people, the United States was built specifically around kissing your pale pink tushies above all others, and somehow you got it in your heads that YOU'RE the ones being persecuted? White people, if you are the ones getting persecuted and put down in your majority white culture in the USofA then you've somehow managed to screw yourselves somehow because last time anyone with any common sense looked white people aren't the ones living as third caste citizens in this land.

Yall keep bitching about the New Black Panthers, like thats a thing, when the numbers of right wing terrorist groups have increased by 400% since 1990. True fact.

theotherguy up there is claiming someone who is partially white "should have better civil protections" than someone who is black. Why? Because whites have ALWAYS had better enforcement of their civil rights. That is (and see if you can follow me on this) why we had a f-ing Civil Rights Movement for minorities... BECAUSE WHITES WEREN'T RESPECTING MINORITY RIGHTS LIKE THEY WERE THEIR OWN!!! DUH!!!

Then he goes on to state some assinine crap about "being black means anyone hurting him shouldn't have to be afforded the civil liberties of the 5th amendment. It also means a partially white individual isn't entitled to self defense, they must allow the privileged back individual to beat them. It's only their place after all"

Are you mentally simple, otherguy? This country was founded on not permitting minorites, blacks in particular, their due process protections. Ever heard of Dred Scott? Lynching? Jury Nullification? White people INVENTED using the tyranny of the majority to refuse blacks their 5th Amendment rights to this very day. We detain, stop and frisk, arrest, and imprison black men on trumped up and false charges daily, so much so we can actually note how white men are given lighter and suspended sentences for crimes black men are locked up for. But yet in your mind white people are the victim because they have to share liberty with black folks.

The funniest part of all this is at one point white people were proud of their racial bigotry. Yall used to lynch black folk and have a picnic lunch while you were busy castrating and mutilating your victims (look it up). Yall used to take pictures of the lynchings and send them around to family and friends like "Having fun lynching negroes and eating fried chicken. Smooches!" Then you would dress up in blackface and sing minstrel songs to each other while your black mammies nursed your bad-azzed kids to sleep.

Now if you hear it from some white people they were the ones picking cotton, working the chain gangs, getting redlined out of all the decent housing. Yall make it sound like all these years white folks were being racist a-holes as a favor to us. Gee, thanks massa...

You guys need to suck it up and quit your bitching (as you would tell us) as you got not a darned thing to be crying about. To be perfectly honest, the average white guy wouldn't last a week under the same racist regime you white people have imposed upon others throughout your long and sorrid history, so sit down, shut up, and enjoy life because you have no basis to claim the victim here, and should be happy you will never have to face any real racial adversity in this country. Ever.

amen

See above for perfect example.

Using past injustices (and they were grave) to justify current crusade to be more equal then "Whitey".

No mention on why the crusade to turn everything into a racially charged situation.

Past injustices? How's the weather in your fantasy world?

Alejandro, Zimmerman never confronted Martin. Zimmerman checked to see where Martin was going and returned to his truck to await the police so that he could give accurate information on Martin's location. Martin followed Zimmerman back and attacked Zimmerman.

Alejandro, Zimmerman never confronted Martin. Zimmerman checked to see where Martin was going and returned to his truck to await the police so that he could give accurate information on Martin's location. Martin followed Zimmerman back and attacked Zimmerman.

Not according to the evidence released and George's own statements.

Really Cole? That's not the story reported.

YES according to the evidence released and George's own statements... he's stated he was attacked while going BACK to his car.

What is the "evidence" that Georeg did anyting but??

The only "evidence" to support Zimmerman returning to his car is Zimmerman's statement. There is nothing else.

Considering where the shooting took place, I would question his assertions. Considering he called his wife and had her move his truck before the police could document where it was parked, I would really question his assertions.

Really Cole? That's not the story reported.

That's the exact story reported. Your just using selective reading comprehension to reinforce your already preconceived idea on how things went. There are audio records of his phone call to 911, he made that call once he started following a "suspicious looking teen" in his neighborhood. He lost sight of TM and was walking back to this car when an altercation took place.

Now unless TM has invented some way to twist the fabric of time-space (always a possibility), we can assume that he must of turned around after running away from GZ. There is no other way for TM and GZ to have crossed paths, GZ's route is known and match's the evidence found around the altercation site. This is without getting into the medical details of how TM's body had no defense wounds and a single gunshot wound to the chest while GZ had several defensive wounds across his face, body and head.

In all case's there is a preponderance of evidence supporting GZ's story of the events of that night. That is the whole reason the original police did not arrest him nor did the DA prosecute him. It took the Governor appointing a "special prosecutor" to actually do anything with the case. The media is doing it's damnedest to assassinate GZ's character while simultaneously putting out edited and half-truth information.

Now we can all agree that GZ is a grade A bone head and is a contender for the worlds championship in being a dumb a$$. Being a bone head and a dumb a$$ is not illegal in the USA, otherwise most of the posters on this site would be in jail. You have to actually break a law, then be charged and face a jury trial to see if there is a reasonable doubt to your guilt. If there is a reasonable doubt, then your acquitted. It's called due process and many people fought and died for it as well as the right for all your asshats to come on here and demand the abolishment of due process.

Idiot this case will not be fought about the fight that happened. GZ commited a crime by leaving his car with a firearm in pursuit with a deadly weapon of a unarmed person. You yourself moron said the 911 operator has no authority and they are police officer that answer calls aswell as dipatchers that work and dispatch police officers but atleast they are in the area of law enforcement. GZ was a WATCH so he's suppose to watch and thats it once he got out of that car his job as WATCH was over and it was personal. That why he going to JAIL. Not race BS or political BS you dummies don't even know anything about politics and it shows with trying to make this case into a political event. Face it GZ is going to jail. Don't think so try following home a kid and shoot and kill him and see if your dumba$$ don't go to jail too!

You need to go back to school, or finish it. Can't understand half of your sentences other then a rant (I think).

Phuture

GZ commited a crime by leaving his car with a firearm in pursuit with a deadly weapon of a unarmed person.

Got news for you, thats not a crime, and if you think it is, give me a statute. Try attacking a guy with a gun and see if he doesnt shoot your dumbass.

The amount of lies this guy is spreading is astounding. I'm beginning to thing he's on the payroll of certain liberal activist groups who have a financial interesting is spreading the flames. I can understand a certain level of ignorance in the general spoon-fed population, but the continued enforced ignorance after sufficient information has been provided isn't rational.

Really how can this guy be innocent when the police told him to not approach the guy?And if you are helping this guy there is but one reason why.

My my Charles, playing the race card and assuming guilt. Good for you. The police did not tell him not to approach. Look at the transcript and stop with the bull@!$%#. You have no evidence, but it indeed sounds as though you are judging from a racist standpoint. You are following the media hook line and sinker like a good little sheep. Bleat on....

"The police did not tell him not to approach." ??? WTF are you talking about moron. the dispatcher asked him are you following him? GZ: yea Dispatcher: we don't need you to do that. So what is that idiot? And don't try to tell me some lame a$$ BS about the dispatcher not being a officer because thats BS because GZ is calling the police. Again GZ is going to jail. For getting out of his car with a firearm in pursuit of a person and he for damn sure is not a authority figure. If you can say a person that works for the POLICE can't tell GZ to stop following a unarmed person because they are not the real police, then how can you say GZ can get out of his car and follow in pursuit of a unarmed person and he has NO authority but being a WATCH. and they only words is from a liar GZ saying he can is your reason of letting GZ follow huntdown and kill TM. 2nd adnend does not give you the right to pursue someone with a gun.

You moron's lose yourself in your own BS.

Really how can this guy be innocent when the police told him to not approach the guy?And if you are helping this guy there is but one reason why.

No such thing happened. The 911 dispatcher (not the police) told him that he shouldn't be following TM, he then stopped following TM and turned back towards his vehicle. TM was out of his sight when he turned back, you can hear him saying this to the 911 dispatcher (not the police) as they talked about where the police should meet him at.

I mean I know people absolutely hate hearing the truth, but that's how the conversation went down, it's recorded. There was no "police order to stop", no "disobeying", no "chasing him down" or any of the nonsense spreading around. The dude followed an unidentified suspicious individual (he thought suspicious) while calling 911, the unidentified individual then ran off and GZ stopped following and turned around. It's pretty simple, not even the prosecution is arguing against it.

He stalked an unarmed kid, shot and killed a kid who was only a few feet from his dad's doorway. How do you think he is innocent?

Actually, the $50K security fee seems like the most modest. Remember there is a bounty on his head from the Black Panther Party. 24/7 for a year for $50? Reasonable.

LOL. Mpa, you are hysterical. There is no bounty on his head. That was a bounty leading to his arrest. He has already been arrested.

Security is costly, just ask Como, Bloomberg, Rahm and Biden, get a clue.

Zimmerman doesn't need security.

Well, when you have the President of the United States speaking against you and a racist group like the Black Pathers putting a price on your head... what would you do?

You forget, in THIS country you are presumed innocent untl proven guilty. Black in this Country don't care about due process. They, as that racist in the White House, do not care about the laws of this Country.

You forget, in THIS country you are presumed innocent untl proven guilty. Black in this Country don't care about due process. They, as that racist in the White House, do not care about the laws of this Country.

Once again...

Not according to Zimmerman. He prejudged a young black teen and killed him in cold blood.

He has family memeber that are black! What does the color of skin have to do with it??

Zimmerman has claimed black ancestry through his Peruvian mother. That is not exactly having black "family members."

What is GZ going to do if he gets off? He going to pay 50k worh of sercurity then? Hell no! That 50k is bogus!

He can do like everyone else does with no money. Use a public defender. Or who can do like Romney suggested, Borrow from his parents. Maybe some of his dads friends will give him a freebie defense. This man had so much money sent to him for no reason that I don't feel sorry for him. Think of Zenaida Gonzalez. She was going through the same thing and no one was sending her money were they? Saying he has no money left is just part of the personae he portrays. Maybe he should have been working at a real job when he was going after Martin and he wouldn't even be in this mess would he. It wasn't the first time he did it afterall. He called 911 many times. That was the policies job not his.

Can you see what's coming down the road? Bankruptcy... There will never be enough money to go around...

LG -

Seems to have working for Casey Anthony. We could use the Affordable Defense Lawyer Act in this country, but we couldn't afford it - all the DC pols are lawyers.

You hit the nail on the head. Maybe the same people who'll give their hard earned money will take out loans and mortgage their homes also. LOL

One things for sure hes not asking liberals for money because all he would get is food stamps.

Stopfreeloaders

He may not be asking but I doubt he'd turn down either money or food stamps. Problem is, he doesn't qualify for them.

Dude The Red States are the states on welfare Per Capita. GZ is going to jail. You idiots are missing the facts. Its not about TM and GZ having a fight. GZ's crime is going to be based on him leaving his car with a fire arm and pursuing a unarmed person with no crime that was done and like how you moron's on here keep saying:

laffinatfools:

"Police did NOT tell Zimmerman to stop anything. He talked to a non-emergency 911 operator who "suggested" that they did not need him to follow"

So if the 911 operator is not law. Then how in the hell is GZ and he is a NHW with NO authority for even having a GUN or apprehiend a person thats why it call WATCH not pursue. He went across then line when he left his CAR. Watch and see if thats not what happens. You can not use i was defending my self and you start the incident which this fight insued. The pursuit and killing of TM is the crime of GZ. Not the fight he was in with TM.

Phuture

Obviously you havent read any of the official reports, why dont you do that and then come back and see if you can post something that is coherent.

Whats coming down the road is a law suit against NBC and MSNBC for doctoring the 911 transcripts.

Sure Auntie, that's what he is counting on..good luck georgie, good luck!

This man ignored the police order to stay in his vehicle; He stalked an unarmed kid and killed him 75 feet from his fathers door. He has no excuse for what he did and he had no authority to even be where he was when he comfronted a kid who was armed with a soda and candy. How can anyone feel sorry for Zimmerman? He murdered a unarmed kid who was talking to his girl friend on his way home. He needs to get life and his scam artist wife needs to do some time also, for lying.

I dont feel sorry for this guy one bit. It would be different if Treyvon had or even acted like he was armed. Stand your ground might have even been a good defense. Stand your ground is just that, stand there, dont move, and protect yourself. Not run down the street and claim another peice of ground to shoot someone.

That bum will be in jail when he brings any lawsuit. There is no justification for what Zimmerman did. None.

Really give me a break 61k for living expenses maybe he needs to live in a less expensive enviornment. security mmm well if your innocent why you need to be protected and maybe he should spend more on his defense then on his living and personal expenses

If you are innocent and the Black Panther Party posts a bounty for your murder, you don't want/need security?

Aunt Anna - I hope he sues NBC and wins big.

They didn't post a bounty for his murder. You need to refresh yourself on the facts.

No, they posted a bounty to have him turned over to the party who would see to it that "an eye for an eye."

Check out the NPR article of 3/26/2012.

mpa-4893349:

Nope; not the Black Panthers (who were destroyed by the FBI's COINTEL program when I was a kid); these guys are the "New Black Panther Party" whose got 6 members all happy that Zimmie is standing trial. Neither the 6 of them nor any Black folks period pose any threat to Zimmie now that he's being tried; everyone's satisfied he's going to trial. Stop fluffing up Zimmie's fake claim of somebody being after him. Bull crap; -he and Shellie just want the easy, no-working life with other people paying their bills. This fake fear of threats is just their excuse.

Nobody's after him; they've already got him. Just waiting for the trial now.

Exactly, Mr. P. The bounty was offered for his arrest. He has already been arrested.

And if this was a black all you liberal cowards would be screaming for his freedom.

Mrperryvine -

My bad. NEW BPP is correct. Don't know where you get your six member number though. They claim several thousand in 45 chapters - including European chapters. Also don't know how you know they are "happy."

I hold to my point that GZ has reason to have security. Just read some of these posts.

DocJC -

No. The bounty was to have GZ turned over to them. Unless you think that bastion of conservative airwaves - NPR - was lying to us all.

Hey DOCJT and Mr P - what is so comical about this is that ZimmerMurderer and his lying wife went into hiding that very night!! I mean he hadn't been charged with anything and not even Trayvon's family knew that he had murdered their son!! So who was he afraid of then?

Send money quick - ZimmerMurderer and his lying wife don't want to go back to work!!! Talking about freeloaders!! LOL!!

No. The bounty was to have GZ turned over to them. Unless you think that bastion of conservative airwaves - NPR - was lying to us all.

Still can't get your facts straight, I see.

Send money quick - ZimmerMurderer and his lying wife don't want to go back to work!!! Talking about freeloaders!! LOL!!

Exactly!

Zimmerman didn't "murder" anyone.. he KILLED a thug attacking him.

What would you do if some thug came out of nowhere and confronted you? It's that thugs fault he's dead... I'm no shedding one tear.

I wish more people would kill thugs like Trevon. They're taking over our cities, our Nation, and we do nothing but condem people that stand up for theri right to freedom.

ANYONE that voted for that racist in the White House is to blam for all this... he's making sure our country is diminished... he's making our country weak. This is just proof! Why the F' would a sitting President even remark about an on-going invesitgation. Why?? Because the thug was black and the President thinks of himself as black.

Sadden American 2012

Zimmerman didn't "murder" anyone.. he KILLED a thug attacking him.

No, Zimmerman killed an innocent black teen. He was told by the dispatcher to stay in his car and to not follow the kid that he thought was going to break into a complex.

Get your facts straight, because no one on the vine is going to agree with the hate and bs rhetoric you are spewing against Treyvon Martin that was stalked and killed in cold blood.

Laffy Taffy:

Great comment Laffy. Each points you made in your two paragraphs are straight truth, straight to the point. I especially like this one:

Zimmerman didn't "murder" anyone.. he KILLED a thug attacking him..................(Sadden American 2012).

No, Zimmerman killed an innocent black teen. He was told by the dispatcher to stay in his car and to not follow the kid that he thought was going to break into a complex...........(Laffy).

As for you, you self described "SADden American"; wrong again -there's been no trial yet, nor is there any evidence of Trayvon attacking George, so you exonerating George by convicting Trayvon of being an attacker is irresponsible to say the least. At least we can point to a mountain of evidence incriminating George, while you have Trayvon convicted as the attacker already without a shred of evidence incriminating him or exonerating George. The lack of Zimmie's blood on the fists and sleeves of Trayvon's hands and clothing alone soundly & scientifically disproves Zimmies tale of being attacked, battered, beat, held, choked, smothered, strangled and headbanged into concrete by Trayvon who supposedly used his hands to do all this attacking and beating on Zimmie's bloody head and face with, as nothing more than a stupid persons fabrication easily disproved beyond a doubt. The blood evidence alone proves Trayvon didn't attack and beat him. But wishfully and with much sadness think it all you will. It won't help George. Better you put some blood on Trayvon's hands by time of trial. Your sad pitiful selfish feelings and attitude of life won't help anyone -especially not you. And if you think you're sad now -just wait until after this trial.

DOCJT

The bounty was offered for his arrest. He has already been arrested........(DOC).

Yup, Doc. Zimmie's arrested, indicted and awaiting a sure conviction. Everyone is just waiting on the outcome of the trial. Nobody's worried about getting Zimmie -he's gotten by the State of Florida's judicial system and is on trial. That's all anybody ever wanted.

No. The bounty was to have GZ turned over to them. Unless you think that bastion of conservative airwaves - NPR - was lying to us all...............(mpa-4893349).

Still can't get your facts straight, I see.........(DOCJT).

Mpa? Why don't you just post us a link to the New Black Panthers ordering the hit on Zimmie. Then we'll see what's what.

Hey DOCJT and Mr P - what is so comical about this is that ZimmerMurderer and his lying wife went into hiding that very night!! I mean he hadn't been charged with anything and not even Trayvon's family knew that he had murdered their son!! So who was he afraid of then?.......(CONCERNED CITIZEN-5861507).

Not one soul that I can think of, since there was nobody for Zimmie to be afraid of. I think they just went over to Osterman's house so Osterman could "school" Zimmie and train him how to get away with this.

MrPerryvine

Laffy Taffy:

Great comment Laffy. Each points you made in your two paragraphs are straight truth, straight to the point. I especially like this one:

Thank you MrPerryvine. I truly saddens me to see that a young man's life was taken by this Zimmerman wanna be cop nut. The 91 dispatcher told Zimmerman to not follow him, and yet Zimmerman had to profile and prejudge a young teen wearing a hoodie as a criminal.

The only criminal i see here is Zimmerman. It seems to run in his family, and as for the bigoted father of Zimmerman. Every black, hispanic or person of color that was sentenced by his father (once a judge) should be reviewed and the people released.

The apple (George) didn't fall far from the Zimmerman (father) tree. It seems like the whole freaking Zimmerman family are a bunch of racists imo.

I hope the people sentenced under the Zimmerman judge ask for an appeal on their cases or a review. How can any racist judge even be allowed to sentence anyone.

I can't help but think that a lot of blacks and hispanic people went to jail for no other reason than the color of their skin under the Zimmerman father (a judge) back in his day.

George Zimmerman, Son of a Retired Judge, Has 3 Closed Arrests

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Mar 27, 2012 – Did George Zimmerman have help from his father, a retired judge, ... The media portrayal of George as a racist could not be further from the truth. ... Records, George Zimmerman's Dad, Judge Zimmerman, Robert Zimmerman, ...

Racism without Racists: George Zimmerman and ... - Huffington Post

www.huffingtonpost.com/edward.../trayvon-martin_b_1387256.html

Apr 1, 2012 – The conundrum of racism without racistscreates a society in which black ... To that end, Zimmerman's actions can be judged independent of what he ..... Where is the dads girlfriends house in relation to the murder scene?

George Zimmerman's Father Tells Son's Self-Defense Version Of ...

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Mar 28, 2012 – He said his son was “going to the store, he saw someone in his community that he did not ... Zimmerman's father, the same one who previously used his influence as a judge to ... Yes, let's continue the politicization of this story shall we? ... Or the healthcare debate before the Supreme Court this very week.

mpa-4893349

Mrperryvine -My bad. NEW BPP is correct. Don't know where you get your six member number though.

It's just a sarcastic figure of speech indicating that the NBPP is impotent since the Black community does not support it, it's rhetoric (The Martins wanted no part of it) and it's insignificant membership protesting for Trayvon or affiliating itself with Trayvon. Only Zimmie and fearmongering White folks exploit the toothless NBPP as some sort of threat to anything; Zimmie does it to get donations so he can live for free, and others do it to stir up racial strife. The NBPP are nothing.

They claim several thousand

They claim? How's about how many do you claim they have? Or are we to trust what the NBPP claims? All I know is that the only time I even hear of them is when fear mongerers like you bring them up as a threat to Zimmie. Otherwise, they are insignificant and serve no purpose worth a hill of beans. Plus how many is "several thousand"? is it three thousand people? Ten thousand, perhaps? Then when you find that out please tell me where they are because I don't see them.

in 45 chapters

Did you get this figure from the NBPP too? In any event, how many members are in each chapter (It only takes 3 people to form a chapter of most organizations)? Are they armed? How many of these 45 chapters threatned Zimmie? Name them; and where they are because I don't see them.

- including European chapters.

So, just several thousand members in the US and Europe combined? Well, which chapters in Europe threatned Zimmie? Name them.

Also don't know how you know they are "happy."

Why wouldn't they be happy? Zimmie's on trial for murder, isn't he? -which is all the Black community asked for; and even the NBPP stated from the beginning that their only interest in this case was that Zimmie be bought to justice "Dead or Alive!" (BTW -they got no support for that Dead or Alive rhetoric; in fact the Martins and the rest of the Black community condemned them for that statement). Now that they've got their justice, exactly what they protested for (Zimmie arrested, indicted and being brought to trial for murdering Trayvon), where are these ghostly NBPP members Zimmie is so afraid of? I don't see them, or any reason why they would not be happy just like the rest of us Black folks are, to let the justice system run it's course.

I hold to my point that GZ has reason to have security. Just read some of these posts.

Well, you have not made the case that he has cause to fear the NBPP, or any other Black person attacking him. In fact you have not even spelled out a reason he should fear anyone to the point where he needs a security team. All Zimmie needs is the same amount of security any criminal suspect or any other citizen needs. That is to lock his doors, watch his surroundings, turn on home and car alarms, a guard dog, and a friend or family member armed with a gun in the house. That's it -and a telephone for 911. End of story.

Laffy Taffy:

Yes; this story is sad as hell enough as it is that George went out of his way to take every step he needed to bring himself into intentional contact with this unarmed good kid, lie on him just to justify and get away with an utterly unnecessary shooting; but the most appalling thing in the whole case comes from his shameful supporters (the few that remain) who see all this evidence of George's guilt and yet immorally want it all thrown out so that he can actually get away with this heartless and deprave minded crime of murdering an innocent kid.

Those people even existing is beyond sad.

And you are right; George did not fall far from the tree. At least one person who lived in George's father's house has already claimed George was raised in a house that frowned upon Black people unless they acted "White"; and George's own facebook page has him expressing racial biasness against Mexicans. His Father knew George was damaged, sick goods the whole time and protected George from the earlier consequences of his youthful acts allowing George to arrive that night, with a clean record, licensed with a gun, chasing an unarmed kid through the darkness terrifying the hell out of him and then shooting him rather than just letting the kid get away and go on about his business. Then, instead of telling George to tell the truth, his father is at Police stations, on national TV and other places helping George lie and otherwise get out of the crime by demonizing Trayvon as the attacker. Preposterous. His father was a judge -he knows George is lying on that kid, yet he joins George, and probably advised him in all these lies George got caught in.

Well, if the case is decided according to the evidence which all incriminates George as a murderer lying to get out of it, then the old man will get what he deserves too -he'll die while his son is serving a few decades in prison.

Trayvon was not a good kid. He was a punk who jumped the guy. He did not deserve to die but he was a product of the thug life culture that is glorified non stop by black america. While black america just goes on pretending its everyone else's fault. Trayvon is dead because of it.

Stop lying to yourself sir.

Those New Black Panthers are some really good guys, Quanell X, leader of the NBPP in Houston defended 20 animals in the gang rape of an 11 year old girl, and blamed the girl and her parents.

He put himself here, by killing a teenager. Some asswipe gunning down your kid, would make you shudder a little more I think. Atleast it should.

If he's innocent he should have no problem with a public defender...none whatsoever.

And the idiots that have no knowledge of the case speak.

This is why we have courts of law, so morons like you just go around lynching people.

LMAO. Calling people "morons" shows your intelligence!

It's hard to look anything but guilty when you stalk an unarmed kid, after being told by the police to stay in your car and then you shoot the kid, point blank, a few feet from his father's door. The kid was going "HOME".

Who can justify what Zimmerman did?

America is where you get the best justice that money can buy. Has everyone forgotten about OJ?

I agree it is scary how much a legal defense costs. But I think it is only because of how visible the case was in the media. High profile cases always cost 10x a normal case.

..who can justify what Zimmerman did?

Where you there to actually see what happened? If the kid had been home in the first place instead of out cruising looking for trouble he would still be alive.The punk kid bit off more than he could chew.

Most of those posting only know what NBC (OOPS! We got caught doctoring the tape. Sorry.) told them.

You, surely, don't mean what you are saying. Just when did walking to the neighborhood store become "cruising for trouble"? Do you just assume he was a punk, or are all african american boys punks? Should I assume something about you, and if so, what?

Most of those posting only know what NBC (OOPS! We got caught doctoring the tape. Sorry.) told them.

And a great number of us have reviewed all of the evidence that has been released more than once. Try it. You might come across as actually being informed.

Doc -

Read and listened to everything I could find. Do you deny that NBC employees doctored the tape?

BTW - I haven't convicted or acquitted. I am waiting on those who know more than internet bloggers and the newspeople know to conduct a trial. You clearly have learned enough to convict.

Rick-1710985

Where you there to actually see what happened?

Nope -but the prosecution will show that George unfortunately was (incriminatingly so), and he's recorded on a thousand different devices incriminating himself a thousand times each time he's told a different tale incriminating himself as the stalker and murderer of an unarmed good kid he mistook as a burglar, followed confronted and killed, then told a million lies all conflicting with every bit of evidence in the case, trying to lie himself out of it, but only trapping himself more with each lie.

Nobody else had to be there with all the talking George has done; so as long as George was there at the crime scene he's getting convicted as soon as they get his murderous, lying tail into a courtroom where they will slap him with a rapid succession of all that incriminating evidence against him; even his own statements and re-enactment, medical reports, forensics and all the rest. Too bad there's no blood on Trayvon's hands or sleeves to get George out of this.

If the kid had been home in the first place instead of out cruising looking for trouble he would still be alive.

You have that backwards -because the evidence, even George proves it would not have happened had George been at home in the first place instead of being out cruising in his car for trouble (burglars and suspicious persons). Yup -your comment about should have been at home instead of out cruising and looking for trouble describes George's actions, and applies to him; not Trayvon. Wait until the Jury sees that.

The punk kid bit off more than he could chew.

Too bad the evidence indicates the only punk kid (or punk adult) in the case is George Zimmerman; and the only one biting off more than he can chew is George Zimmierman now that he's gotten himself caught, indicted, on bail awaiting a trial where he has no exculpatory evidence to combat the prosecution's mountain of incriminating evidence with.

Didn't you see the title of this article? And how George is in a sling unable to pay his living expenses and legal fees for his defense? Yup -he bit off more than he can chew.

When you have read and listened to the official evidence that has been released, it makes NBC doctoring tapes moot, at least to forming an informed opinion.

It looks like we have a lot of "armchair quarterbacks" and that so many of you were "eyewitnesses"! As a former law enforcement officer, a gun owner and concealed carrier, I have had some interest in this case. I am also somewhat familiar with the Florida "Stand Your Ground" law, even though I am not from there. Many states have similar laws for concealed carriers. I do know that George Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty and that he is entitled to a fair trial. It is up to the jury to convict or acquit him, not us! I wish him well.

maywisdomprevail:

Great comment, Maywisdom; let me jump in on the fun.

You, surely, don't mean what you are saying. Just when did walking to the neighborhood store become "cruising for trouble"?..........(MayWisdom toRick-1710985 ).

Since George Zimmerman singlehandedly with this case re-instituted the "Black Codes" from the south forbidding Blacks from walking after dark.

Since George Zimmerman is out with his gun looking for burglars and you fit the age group and racial profile he's looking for. Black male teen, walking in the rain? Yup -means you're looking for trouble just by going to the store.

Read and listened to everything I could find

LOL, would you like instructions on how to do a thorough search?

Yeah Rick, how dare he go to the store! How dare he buy an Ice Tea and Skittles!

Rick, please think before you type

Well said Mr P!! Well said!!

CONCERNED CITIZEN-5861507:

Hi CC! Hi DOC! Hi Jo!

Yup! We now see what Zimmie's defense relies on now -it's grounded in the "Black Code" curfew laws of the ante-bellum south; for God's sake. Just ask mpa-4893349, Rick-1710985; and this law enforcement officer named Radioguy-4173557 whose on board with the Black Code defense since he is wishing Zimmie well after admitting he does not know if he is a murderer or not. He claims to be neutral (we've seen this before) while advocating for Zimmie the whole time. Even wishing Zimmie the accused murderer well!

The 2012 Florida Statutes

Title XLVI
CRIMES
Chapter 776
JUSTIFIABLE USE OF FORCE
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776.041 Use of force by aggressor.—The justification described in the preceding sections of this chapter is not available to a person who:
(1) Is attempting to commit, committing, or escaping after the commission of, a forcible felony; or
(2) Initially provokes the use of force against himself or herself, unless:
(a) Such force is so great that the person reasonably believes that he or she is in imminent danger of death or great bodily harm and that he or she has exhausted every reasonable means to escape such danger other than the use of force which is likely to cause death or great bodily harm to the assailant; or
(b) In good faith, the person withdraws from physical contact with the assailant and indicates clearly to the assailant that he or she desires to withdraw and terminate the use of force, but the assailant continues or resumes the use of force.

History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 1190, ch. 97-102.

Read it, learn it, Apply it here. if we are going to debate on this topic at least become informed first! I believe that Zimmerman will fall short of these exceptions because he can not reasonable articulate a story that matches the facts that will suggest that he reasonable felt that his life was immanent danger.

Radioguy-4173557:

As a former law enforcement officer, a gun owner and concealed carrier, I have had some interest in this case.

OK? So it's dark, it's raining and you are being followed by some stranger in his car. And you have your concealed and carry pistol on you for your protection. You run from the stranger to where he cannot follow you in his car; but the stranger jumps out and gives chase on foot! After losing sight of him, and losing him you suddenly, by whatever means come across him again in the dark, but this time he's so close you ask him?

What are you following me for?

But he does not answer your question, he does not identify himself, nor does he explain why he's following you, or why he's doing anything else. He's just there with you in the dark, after having chased you in a car and then ran after you on foot -now he's just here again.

Now, being a concealed and carry gun permit owner who has your gun properly licensed, whould you be threatned by this stranger's bing close to you after all that chasing in the dark? And not answering your question or identifying himself or what he was up too?

My question, gun owner, would you pull your weapon onthis strange acting person you are confronted with in the dark?

I am also somewhat familiar with the Florida "Stand Your Ground" law, even though I am not from there.

Do you agree then with the authors, the legislators, the Govenor, the Special prosecutor, the police and detectives in this case that say George is not covered under the stand your ground law because under the circumstances of this case, even George's own statements reveal he was the chaser who went out of his way against advice to take every step it took to place himself in the position resulting in the 2 meeting up in the dark?

Do you agree with the police detective Serino who told George on a recording to his face that George, according to your own statement, Trayvon Martin would have seen your actions as very threatening ones to him and he would be the one acting in self defense not you?

Many states have similar laws for concealed carriers.

And every one of them would cover Trayvon, not George who posed the treat by taking every step in the book to get near this kid in the dark without identifying himself or explaining his actions. Not one of those laws you mention covers George's aggressive and threatening actions. Every one would cover Trayvon.

I do know that George Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty and that he is entitled to a fair trial.

We all know that already; that's one of the many reasons why he's not convicted with a life sentence right now. He has not had his fair trial yet; and nobody is trying him on these sites either. We all want him to have his fair trial -we're not holding it up or preventing it; George is taking every step to avoid a fair trial his own self. And I do not blame him -he's got no exculpatory evidence to fight the incriminating evidence against him with. So don't give us the fair trial bit; George & his fans are the only ones rooting for a fair trial not to happen in this case. We want him in court -George and Omara don't want to go.

It is up to the jury to convict or acquit him, not us!

Well the jury and the court are waiting to do their part; let George and Omara stop prolonging their appearance, and everyone except George's team will be happy to get on with it.

I wish him well.

That does not sound very neutral without a qualifier such as:

"If he's not a murdering scum trying to lie his way out of it, I wish him well"?

Or have you made your mind up to root for his exoneration regardless of his being guilty or not?

ok this is crazy, theres a alot of problem here frist lets go back with OJ, for a sec when he was charged with killing? Nicloe Brown, and he took of? and plead not gulity and he was in jail and NO ONE not even his lawyer set up a web sute to ask for money, now that he is in PRISON in Las Vegas for robbing he should be in there for good and get NO help like this guys is doing? everyone knows and me knows he is GUILTY of killy that young kid, I would never ever ask or put in any kind of money for his help at all, he is GUILTY GUILTY GUILTY with that your Lawyers are doing a very crappy job and what i think is that you guys asking for the money for yourself, again I would never put anything in for your help or for his guilt, and his housing? come on his in jail right? how can you guys askin for that kind of money, the state pay for every inmate and give to money to the county there in..... That and others know thats the hard TRUTH

MrPerryVine:

You are missing some key elements with your narrative of events.

First: George and Travyon were both in neighborhoods they were legally allowed to be in, even private gated ones like where the incident occurred.

Following an individual is not illegal on public property, even in a vehicle at 1-10mph.

Getting out of your car and asking, yelling, screaming, or cursing at another individual is not illegal and does not constitute self defense. People v. Berry, "Words are not enough," unless "threatening."

The court's aren't going to consider the narrative of Trayvon's parents. They will consider the narrative of the witnesses that supposedly heard or saw something, and George Zimmerman himself. With this said, the courts will also consider physical evidence collected at the scene and statements taken thereafter.

With this in mind, George Zimmerman has two police officer photos and eye witness testimony to the injuries he sustained. Likewise, the coroner's report will sustain Trayvon Martin's injuries. These are the only facts that will be considered.

Florida State Statue and Common Law Statue provides that if Zimmerman was the initial aggressor, he had to use any alternative available and viable route for him to use self-defense doctrine to work. Additionally, if he was not the aggressor, he still may have had a duty to retreat. Being in a fight does not give one "Carte Blanche" to kill, but must reasonable believe himself to be in imminent fear for his safety. The courts will consider the situation he was in when assessing that imminent fear.

Either way, aggressor or non aggressor, the court will look to the totality of the circumstances to determine at what point could Zimmerman be in imminent fear for his safety. With this said, this is why George Zimmerman will win his case:

1) 87 pages of discovery with eye witness testimony corroborating that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman. Additionally, there is a conflicting witness stating that she/he saw a larger man on top. This will allow Zimmerman's testimony to have much more weight because of eye witness conflicting testimony, and because it was dark outside.

2) Coroner's report showing the trajectory and distance of the bullet that enter Travyon Martin, and at what angle it entered him, showing by science bodily position in relation to one another and the gun.

3) The most damaging of all, however, is the injuries sustained by Zimmerman and the photographs afterwards: Damage to the back of his head, a broken nose, gashes on his face, and no bloody knuckles for George Zimmerman.

4) Travyon Martin's autopsy show his knuckles are bruised, no large sustainable injury other than the bullet wound, no bruises or marking of major significance on Travyon.

Why do you people keep making mistakes in this case. "Following an individual is not illegal on public property, even in a vehicle at 1-10mph." Really?

GZ crime is Stalking is a term commonly used to refer to unwanted or obsessive attention by an individual or group toward another person. Stalking behaviors are related to harassment and intimidation and may include following the victim in person or monitoring them. The word stalking is used, with some differing meanings, in psychology and psychiatry and also in some legal jurisdictions as a term for a criminal offense.

According to a 2002 report by the National Center for Victims of Crime, "Virtually any unwanted contact between two people [that intends] to directly or indirectly communicates a threat or places the victim in fear can be considered stalking.

"

George Zimmerman will win his case:

1) 87 pages of discovery with eye witness testimony corroborating that Trayvon Martin was on top of Zimmerman."??? Really??

The case will not be weighted on a fight. GZ crime started when got out of the car. His position as a NHW is to WATCH not pursue or stalk a person that he has not seen commit a crime. So he became personal and a crime to stalk and kill his victum after he stalked them out. The fight is being told by the killer. Really??? Wow you belive GZ story why? First tell me why GZ was following TM and needed to catch up to him so bad if TM did not commit a crime? Why was a grown a$$ man pursuing someone in the rain and not at home?

There are two areas that are gray in the case and in which it will be hard to prove as Martin is not alive to testify.

The first is if Zimmerman was the first to make an aggressive move, possibly by showing his weapon, and Martin felt he had to defend himself thus "attacking" Zimmerman or two, did Martin actually jump Zimmerman from behind just because Martin was ticked at being followed and/or questioned.

The injuries to Zimmerman are documented. Without an eye witness, or an eye witness who is telling hte truth, to the actual physical argument that ensued, all Zimmerman's defense has to do is solidify that reasonable doubt within the minds of the jurors and Zimmerman walks.

This is a one-sided case...it is up to Zimmerman and his lawyers to convince the jury that he is telling the 100% truth since Martin isn't there to counterargue and the alleged witnesses, from what I read a few months back, have changed their stories to Zimmerman's favor where before the statements reflected negatively on Zimmerman's account of the events.

Lawyer

Excellent post, and spot on.

Zimmerman was not "stalking" and has not been charged with stalking, and the prosecution will not be allowed to insinuate that he was.

Lawyer of Justice=ReReg TROLL!

He's no doubt at the post office mailing a money order to the defense fund, lol.

Hi Shellie.

OLGA...Where are you??

He's no doubt at the post office mailing a money order to the defense fund, lol.

ROFLMAO!!! You go Ladies!!

Amen!

That Train's Coming, George

Hi girls, all of you even the mutt!

She's out looking for a little attention (as always)

Hey Jo-An, YAHTC, DOCJT and MrP. Keep up the good fight!! Justice for Trayvon!!!

Nice to see the gangs ready to step up and remind the zombies that we still care.

:)

Hi cjfromMN! Hope you and your family are doing great.

Justice for Trayvon!

Yea, yea, yea...it's always them old doctored tapes. What will the liberal media do next?

And is there anything you can't be suckered into believing?

self defense???? zimmerman chased him down the street while on the phone with 911, they were telling him to back down!!! castle laws and stand you ground laws dont protect you while your running after someone. zimmerman is charged with murder, as he should be

So, yankeeboyboy - what was that apology from NBC about again? Lenin would have referred to you as a useful "tool."