Pffft. Another dead kid. Gotta protect those gun owners, right NRA?

Well, someone knows who did this, someone was driving that car, someone has hear them talking, someone knows. We can only hope that some humanity, some humility, some values exist - and that someone will come forward and do the right thing. And hopefully we will learn something from this - and keep these guys in prison forever - BEFORE they commit these murders.

My condolences to the family - I feel so bad for the pain you're going through. It's a horrible, senseless tragedy.

The real punishment here is the action of this criminal's behavior upon an innocent life and the suffering this girl's family will have to endure. Absolutely sad. Society has been forced to endure with this type of behavior for far too long. So many good and upstanding citizens become victims of this violence. But why should we be surprised since American culture was built around criminality since our founding? Perhaps it is time to re-examine "cruel and unusual punishment" and who is most often on the receiving end of it.

So sad-- beautiful person-- inside and out. What an absolute shame and disgrace!

I almost felt bad to bring up the political side of the gun issue until I read the Durbin (D) had already mentioned it on the floor of the Senate.

Politics is giving me the creeps these days. Politicians for gun control cannot speak fast enough ...

Anyway, home invasions are occurring in my area, rarely, however, violently when they occur. And, I bought a gun for protection for the first time in my life. I thought about if I would feel safe at night, now, without knowing I at least had a chance to stop someone from physically harming me. I have to say that the gun gives me a sense of some power in my home that I could not have without it.

Amazing what our Country has become .. How do you sing at a White House event and become a statistic after the fact. What happened to our country??

How many gun laws on the books in Chicago Mr mayor, your city has gone back in time we are in the 1930's in Chicago. Its not the gun at fault, it's the system. I bet the gangs have more guns than cops in Chicago.

Well I just don't understand how this can possibly happen when not a single gun shop can be found in Chicago because they are outlawed along with so-called assault weapons and high-capacity magazines. There isn't a civilian gun range in city limits and handguns were banned in Chicago for decades, too, until 2010, when the United States Supreme Court ruled that was going too far, leading city leaders to settle for restrictions some describe as the closest they could get legally to a ban without a ban and Illinois remains the only state in the nation with no provision to let private citizens carry guns in public.

Can someone with a lot more smarts than me PLEASE explain how Chicago is the murder capital of America if guns are virtually banned there? I mean we're talking serious gun-control measures. I just don't get it. Shouldn't Chicago be the SAFEST city in America with all these laws?

I'm waiting for a politician to come out and say enough of the gangs. Their membership has exploded in the last several years but yet people seem to be resigned that "thugs will be thugs." These are the people responsible for the majority of our crime statistics, these are the people who caused 500+ murders in Chicago last year but everyone wants to ignore them and focus on "assault weapons"??? Give me a break.

Suspend some of the civil rights of gang members instead of going after the law abiding gun owners. If you're in a gang and in the company of fellow gang members, you get stopped and frisked. Zero tolerance for any criminal activity by gang members. Random stops of any cars registered to known gang members. Undocumented/illegal immigrants with gang tattoos or a known associate? Immediate deportation with no appeal.

Send them a message that we've had enough and take our communities back!

kids like that are what this country is all about...we have lost a real good person...sad for everybody...

Has anyone thought about the fact that if registering more guns / gun owners were the answer, then the gun that was used to murder this young lady would have a serial number ... which would be traced ... and, you would have the murderer ... ie, the owner of the gun.

Problem. Criminals do not use weapons they have legally obtained because they cannot legally obtain weapons. The issue that Durbin needs to focus on is criminals. The criminal is the only element of a crime that can make the crime happen or not.

@ctviking

I think Angela was referring to her character. It is obvious she was a "beautiful" child on the inside, as well as on the outside. We have lost a bright figure for our future.

my deepest condolances to her family; it was not the bullet that killed her but the punk shooter behind it and the crazy amercan way of life now days where they do not offer mental and social big help to those at risk of being violent; lets face it since kinder garten i knew who was promt to violence and who was not, you mean to tell me that our parents or care takers do'nt; they just do not have the gover-mental support to help them. so congress as usual takes the easy way out "ban those infernal guns" listen why not ban automobiles and planes and motorcycles they are all killers of manny humans; how about liquor, no liquors are consumed by the congress itself. please don't play with the intelligence of law abading americans; this is a smoke screen by those that do not respect the constitution and want to turn this country into a police estate where people with no means to revolt will have to take what the goverment imposses on your lives like cuba "viva fidel" they cryed, now the are really crying for freedom, but is too late; the slogan back then was "guns for what" i guess now they got the answer for the past 54 years; enslaving people thats what. this decition you are all making will come back and bite yous rears. sorry for any typo or offence to any one that does not agree; in the end save my post and see if history will absolve me. god bless all and live your life; it is very short to be wasting posting!

I'm sure it was a handgun with less than 10 rounds in the clip. He probably had a permit for the gun that he bought at the local gun store, with his savings, passing the FBI background check. He probably truthfully answered all the questions on the background check including not being a felon, no mental problems, not a fugitive from justice, etc.; probably a fine upstanding citizen.

But that gun went and killed this beautiful girl.

Dee Turner...(#1.22)...

Hey Dee....I'm a member of the NRA, I also have a CCW Permit and I carry all the time.....Just suppose I'm out for my evening trek on my Hover-Round on a path in the park and I happen across some creep that just knocked you to the ground, into the bushes and is starting to rape you.....Do you want me to :

A.) Keep rolling along. It's none of my business, not my problem

B.) Offer you my cell phone so you can call 911 ( I certainly can't Physically stop him) OR

C.) Draw my gun and Blow his Brains all over the begonia's ??

Now just think if a responsible adult in that nice neighborhood park in Chicago out walking his dog was able to carry a weapon....and pumped all 17 Bullets from his Glock 17 into the car as the occupant opened fire ????

Here in Florida, under Stand Ones Ground, It is legal for me to shoot to stop a forcible felony....

omg so sad and tragic. prayers to the family and to all the douchebags that poiliticize this, "Shame on you" ain't no one here more liberal than me and my first thought was not get their guns or have to buy more guns. I am sadened hearing this and sickend by all the politicing on both sides. :(

Chicago gangs don't have to go far to buy guns - Chicago

Here is your answer, AKguy, even though I am still gonna give you credit for knowing the answer, but asking rhetorically anyhow.

Nice attempt at dialogue?

Though I am a gun owner and believe in my legal and constitutional right and ability to own any gun I wish, wish is not a Military Grade Weapon made capable of automatic fire. I do not need an AK to defend my home, nor do I feel we are about to have ANY guns taken away from us without due process of law placing restrictions such as Chicago and NYC have, but until police are allowed, or perhaps forced, to actually do the jov of disarming these gangbangers in an offensive sweep, we will always continue to have these horrible tragedies. Too many guns are already out there, all manufactured by our American Arms Manufacturers, as well as the International suppliers/makers. This Genie will not get back into the Bottle on its own.

To the Family of Hadiya, as well as all of those that have lost their own to such senseless, careless violence, I offer Deepest Condolences.

RIP, Young Lady. Heaven just found another Angel.

Peace

Well, clearly this was yet another act of a one-man well-regulated militia ensuring the protection of a free state...

Of course and absolutely correct DockPete (#1.18)! Ctviking's (#1.15) moronic statement is unworthy of any direct response.

What is it going to take before we acknowledge there is a serious problem. We cannot arm the children to protect themselves. We cannot make the schools, shopping centers, grocery stores, bowling alleys, theaters, etc. armed citadels. Do we have to build walls around entire communities and have metal detectors at the entrance before anyone is allowed to enter? What have we become as a nation? We are experiencing a tremendous failing of society. Violence is unacceptable. What is the root cause? Do we have any recourse against gang mentality? As citizens, we need to take responsibility. We need to turn this around in our country, and making access to guns more difficult is definitely a step in the right direction.

Frank you are not the only one but let me ask you how many of the 500 last year did you hear about? The only ones you heard about were multiple shootings or very young children. The only reason you are hearing about this girl on national news belongs to the political machine that is anti-gun. Personally I get torqued off that someone would use this young girls life for an agenda in the national spotlight. But that seemed to happen a lot today. Chicago's loss is all of our loss, my condolences to the family.

Toasty McGrath:

That is the most moronic post you ever made.

You equate , historically, people defending their homes, and community vs dangerous threats .

To a gang banger, that obviously , would break both possession laws in the city, and felon firearm possession laws .

So things could be done, on background checks , etc. But , make the US.... Britain??? Don't think so.

A little thing called the Bill of Rights interferes.

You know that pesky document the ACLU ticks the right off on, vs the 1st, 3rd, 4th and 10th Amendments about. You love that right?? They've seen every tragedy, used to countermand those rights (patriot act as a example) . And you hate the ACLU right??

So why do you only abandon the 2nd Amendment??

Registered Democrat here. Awaiting a reasonable reply.

Toasty McGrath---nice comment, from zero to zero, I see you have not changed.

Do we have any recourse against gang mentality?

Sure we do, Honest John. We've had it for a long time. Have you ever seen the movie L.A. Confidential? The police there did a good job of taking care of the hoods who killed everybody in that diner one night. That's how the people who did this should be dealt with. Ban handguns first, then deal with the gangsters three at a time if need be.

Hey Mike in Delray

A similar instance happened ib DC a few years ago. A kid got a new bike for Christmas. Went out for a ride, three pitbulls got loose and attacked the child. A gentleman hears the screams of the child. Looks out the window. Gets his shotgun. Goes out and shoots the dogs saving the child. The police come and arrest the gentleman for gun violations in the District.

Responible people doing the right thing should never be punished for laws that are directed at criminals and not the law abiding public. But this is just how broken our political system is.

It never makes any sense. A most beautiful child with a bright future, a life that was and is no more. Erased by a thug with a gun. Likely a gang initiation ritual. You kill someone, you can join the gang. No remorse, no chance to make it right. BOOM! Therefore you're a real man.

This was not done by a legal, lawful gun owner. Thugs, psychos and wannabes don't care about gun laws. Having a PIECE makes you a MAN. Unfortunately, it was likely a kid who never had a dad except at the moment of conception. Families, or the lack thereof, determine the course of our nation. What can be done about it? TONS. Starting with dads being there for their offspring. Maybe actually loving and taking care of the young woman they impregnate. How about being married and having a job first? How about trashing every MP3 player or other device that spews RAP, and other forms of misogynist anti-social sewage. Wait, I have a novel idea. How about getting families back to CHURCH? Like a church that teaches and LIVES the gospel of LOVE that Jesus taught. Not the HATE-SPEWING so called Liberation Theology (raw MARXISM dressed up in out-of-context Bible-sounding propaganda) of Rev Wright, Father Flagler and their ilk whose message of ENVY and RESENTMENT and HATING one's own country only breeds RAGE that fuels violence like that which takes out a beautiful young girl like this.

I do hate to point out the obvious in a situation like this. I have a beautiful and bright young daughter I hope to walk down the aisle of a church some day. I can't begin to comprehend what this girl's family is going through right now. I can only say how very sorry I am that this happened, and that we as a society have failed you so badly, and the young person who pulled that trigger.

I can only pray and hope that a loving congregation and community can wrap their arms of love around this family whose loss is incomprehensible to anyone else. I can only hope that the young person who did this, and his fellow very-lost buddies, can realize what they've done. They have only proven the worst about human nature, and that individuals as well as societies and nations need the redeeming and purpose-giving love of Jesus Christ, the real Messiah.

Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the y and yet has one of thee highest murder rates ---Guess your liberal gun laws aren't working

Can someone with a lot more smarts than me PLEASE explain how Chicago is the murder capital of America if guns are virtually banned there? I mean we're talking serious gun-control measures. I just don't get it. Shouldn't Chicago be the SAFEST city in America with all these laws?

I recognize that you're being deliberately obtuse here, but I'll still bite. Chicago can have the toughest gun laws in the nation, but unless it's also completely sealed its borders at the city limits, the guns -- purchased legally or illegally elsewhere -- can freely flow in and out of the city.

I genuinely hope that you're not REALLY this thinking-impaired. But if so, do let me know if there are any other of life's great mysteries you need me to unravel for you, like why the sun rises in the East each day, or why it only snows when it's cold. I'm here to help.

Chicago is the murder capital of America and guns are banned. Shouldn't Chicago be the SAFEST city in America with all these laws? Guess your laws aren't working BECAUSE CRIMINALS DON'T OBEY THE LAW!

These Democrat idiots need to wake up and smell the fricken coffee. Chicago has some of the most restrictive gun laws in the country yet they are just about the highest for murders. How the Heck can they say more gun laws against law abiding citizens will help when the current laws have done nothing to stem the gun violence in Obama's back yard. Grow a brain and get off the backs of law abiding citizens in your power grab, dictator wanna be agenda and do things that will attack the gangs and criminals with guns and the gun runners who supply them. That might really make a difference and pass the concealed carry law Illinois was ordered to so that honest people can defend themselves. And don't tell me I don't need a magazine with 30 rounds. IF that is what the criminal coming after me has then I need one too to defend myself. You are supposed to represent our best interests not make us victims of criminals or an over reaching government.

Hello folks, while tragic that this young lady lost her life the government is throwing everything but the kitchen sink at their ultimate goal and that is to declaw and remove the teeth of the citizens of the United States.

“We are fast approaching the stage of ultimate inversion: the stage where government is free to do as it pleases, while the citizens may act only by permission.” - Ayn Rand

Why are fully-automatic AR-15s with 30-round magazines and hollow-point bullets called ‘personal defense’ weapons when the Department of Homeland Security purchases them, but semi-auto AR-15s are assault rifles in the hands of citizens?

The Department of Homeland Security filed a purchase bid this past June titled “Personal Defense Weapons Solicitation”. It is combined bid for 5.56x45mm NATO ammunition and “select-fire firearm suitable for personal defense.”

Increasingly the government is giving itself privileges that they are taking away from citizens. This is becoming most obvious in regards to gun rights, but it’s becoming a widespread abuse of power across all aspects of society. The government is supposed to derive its authority from the people not the other way around.

Ron Paul recently addressed this exact topic proposing the simple solution: ”Anything the government assumes they have a right to do to us, we should assume we have a right to do that to them.”

If we are to be a nation of, by and for the people where the government has no rights that aren’t afforded to citizens, then this assumption may be the check on government overreach that’s so desperately needed.

By the way, the DHS is only authorized to work within the U.S. borders, so who do they plan to use these weapons on?

"DockPete

@ctviking

I think Angela was referring to her character. It is obvious she was a "beautiful" child on the inside, as well as on the outside. We have lost a bright figure for our future."

@ctviking knew that. He or she simply wanted to be ugly because they can...and are.

No matter what gun law is passed, these criminals will still have guns; look at drug laws that have been made for centuries and yet criminals still are able to obtain, sell and use drugs!

The government won't go after the criminals because they want this to happen

to give them an excuse to disarm the population

did YOU KNOW THAT THE Conn. SHOOTER NEVER USED THE SO CALLED ASSAULT RIFLE?

HE USED 4 HANDGUNS yet the media keeps lying over and over again saying assault rifle.

BUT don't worry the official police report has not been issued and once the truth comes out IT WILL BE APPARENT THAT HE MEDIA AND GOVERNMENT HAS LIED to push their agenda

Than there will be real trouble in this country

Eric913;

What do think the odds are this gunman was a Republican, in Chicago. No my friend this was one of your fellow ban all guns democrats. After all, aren't the Dems the ones always whining about certain people being imprisoned more, persecuted more? So what? you going to call for a fellow liberals blood now? Like D.C. the only republicans in Chicago are the few in public office. No Eric, this is one of YOUR fellow progressives. Care to make a bet that he won't be ever found? And if he is, he'll be just another misunderstood picked on inner city disadvantaged Democrat. Look in the mirror, this one, along with several of the others lately is from your side of the aisle.

That's a damn shame. A good child gone because of some yellow piece of @!$%# coward that should fry. No doubt this young lady could have made a name for herself. I hate this for he mother so bad. If all gun's were banned a piece of @!$%# like that coward would still have one because they are afraid to fight hand to hand. They would just be smuggled in from mexico just like the dope and put in the hands of trash like that.

Hey!

Maybe Chicago should do something about violent gangs?

Nah, better idea! More reactionary and progressive!

Let's go after assault rifles!

Which, for those of you who are still awake, weren't used in this shooting.

From 1918 until 1934, any one in the US could order and have shipped through the USPS, a fully automatic sub-machine(Tommy Gun w/30 or 50 round magazine), BAR (High power machine gun w/20 magazine) or even a M2 .50 cal. Belt fed machine gun, no questions asked. Where were all the spree shootings then(other than criminal gangland)?

It was not uncommon to walk into a local hardware store and buy a case of Dynamite to remove tree stumps. If easy access to deadly weapons is the measure of a deadly society, why were things like the "Bath School Disaster" not regular occurrences?

NO, the only thing that has changed in the last 50 or so years is the Secular Progressive agenda has wove its tentacles into society. Family is irrelevant. Dads are irrelevant. Males, especially white males, are irrelevant or even 'need' to be marginalized. Morals and Personal Responsibility are irrelevant.

My point is, since the 60's and the Progressive march toward hedonism in this country, with the rise of the welfare state, abortion and easy divorce, discipline in this country is gone. There are no consequences. No longer are men being raised by fathers. And how do you become a real man, if you don't have one to show you the way? Granted it isn't always successful, but it seemed to be more successful than the alternative.

I have posted this several times. I have yet to have anyone argue the point.

If you want to cut down on the violence in this country, you need to change the culture, not the gun laws. I would bet a hundred dollar bill that the kids who did this comes from a single mother home, has no idea who his "daddy" is, and has no idea how to behave in public, because he was never taught.

The only things these thugs understand is force and violence. That is how you deal with them. Forcefully and violently. We now have whole generations of these inner city kids destroyed by Liberal Ideology that Government can take the place of 'Dad' in the home, providing income and charity from a distance.

This is why Democrats want to ban guns. They can not admit that this Ideology, women can do everything without a man, or if they can't the Government can act as an surrogate, is failing. Well, here are the results. Look at the student scores. Look at the economic disparity. Every time there is an increase in a Government Program, there is corresponding decrease in the expected outcome.

My condolences go out to this kid's family.

God all these replies are retarded. Why is Chicago murder capital when it has banned guns? Because the rest of the USA hasn't. Chicago doesn't have border control. Illinois does not have checkpoints and car searches. Our Borders do.

Such a obvious distinction, you have to wonder who these NRA parrots think they are fooling.

The government won't go after the criminals because they want this to happen

to give them an excuse to disarm the population

Wow no new laws, or background checks. Imagine that.

//chicago.cbslocal.com/2013/01/02/no-murders-in-aurora-in-2012/

I'm shocked!! How could she have been shot? Don't these criminals and gang members know they can't have guns in Rohm's 'No Guns Allowed Utopia' ?! It's obviously time for another useless knee-jerk reaction and to restrict law abiding citizens access to guns even more.

Mike in Delray

A.) Keep rolling along. It's none of my business, not my problem

B.) Offer you my cell phone so you can call 911 ( I certainly can't Physically stop him) OR

C.) Draw my gun and Blow his Brains all over the begonia's ??

wow, I am pro-gun and disturbed by this. It should be D) call 911, draw your weapon and order the perp on the ground. The fact that your first inclination is to shoot to kill tells me you dont understand what the 2nd ammendment is about or the responsiblity of a firearm.

God all these replies are retarded. Why is Chicago murder capital when it has banned guns? Because the rest of the USA hasn't. Chicago doesn't have border control. Illinois does not have checkpoints and car searches. Our Borders do.

Such a obvious distinction, you have to wonder who these NRA parrots think they are fooling.

OR JUST MAYBE CHICAGO IS THE MURDER CAPITAL BECAUSE CRIMINALS AND GANG MEMBERS DON"T GET THEIR GUNS THROUGH LEGAL MEANS LIKE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS DO. AND NOW IT'S OPEN SEASON ON THE DEFENSELESS SHEEP IN CHICAGO.

Do you think that might be a possiblity, Einstein? Such an obvious distinction and conclusion. You have to wonder who you anti-gun parrots think you are fooling.

we will never conrol guns, as livin in oakland ca, and now in phx. gunfire is a normall thing here in n phx. the cops do nothing, and dont even show up.cause the bad guys have more guns. cops are here just to pick the casings. guns dont kill. its the operator.(MENTAL ISSUES) we are trained to defend. ARMY!!! they wont rehire us old folks, cause they want us on the streets. we just cant be everywhere. just as the cops.but i,m homeland security. were here.we look like homeless, cause when we went to get hussein, we were dressed like a woman, on camels.but had enuff guns under our dress 2 split ur head like clean open.......... obama and bush have it rite. homeland security..u will never see us. but we are there. we need time................ beyer ...............out..........2100

Not all Americans are stupid, we can see the presstitutes duck stepping to their masters in posting every shooting as front page news. Not only is the 2nd amendment under siege but the constitution itself. People stand up to the tyranny that is being displayed in the media. Where's your crocodile tears for the children killed in illegal drone strikes?

CIA Drone Strikes in Pakistan 2004–2013

Total US strikes: 362
Obama strikes: 310
Total reported killed: 2,629-3,461
Civilians reported killed: 475-891
Children reported killed: 176
Total reported injured: 1,267-1,431

US Covert Action in Yemen 2002–2013

Total confirmed US operations (all): 54-64
Total confirmed US drone strikes: 42-52
Possible extra US operations: 135-157
Possible extra US drone strikes: 77-93
Total reported killed (all): 374-1,112
Total civilians killed (all): 72-177
Children killed (all): 27-37

US Covert Action in Somalia 2007–2013

Total US strikes: 10-23
Total US drone strikes: 3-9
Total reported killed: 58-170
Civilians reported killed: 11-57
Children reported killed: 1-3

Drone Infographics

Interactive map

by Drones Team

This map details the locations of CIA drone strikes in the remote Pakistani tribal areas.

Partial List of Children Killed

PAKISTAN

Name | Age | Gender

Noor Aziz | 8 | male
Abdul Wasit | 17 | male
Noor Syed | 8 | male
Wajid Noor | 9 | male
Syed Wali Shah | 7 | male
Ayeesha | 3 | female
Qari Alamzeb | 14| male
Shoaib | 8 | male
Hayatullah KhaMohammad | 16 | male
Tariq Aziz | 16 | male
Sanaullah Jan | 17 | male
Maezol Khan | 8 | female
Nasir Khan | male
Naeem Khan | male
Naeemullah | male
Mohammad Tahir | 16 | male
Azizul Wahab | 15 | male
Fazal Wahab | 16 | male
Ziauddin | 16 | male
Mohammad Yunus | 16 | male
Fazal Hakim | 19 | male
Ilyas | 13 | male
Sohail | 7 | male
Asadullah | 9 | male
khalilullah | 9 | male
Noor Mohammad | 8 | male
Khalid | 12 | male
Saifullah | 9 | male
Mashooq Jan | 15 | male
Nawab | 17 | male
Sultanat Khan | 16 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 13 | male
Noor Mohammad | 15 | male
Mohammad Yaas Khan | 16 | male
Qari Alamzeb | 14 | male
Ziaur Rahman | 17 | male
Abdullah | 18 | male
Ikramullah Zada | 17 | male
Inayatur Rehman | 16 | male
Shahbuddin | 15 | male
Yahya Khan | 16 |male
Rahatullah |17 | male
Mohammad Salim | 11 | male
Shahjehan | 15 | male
Gul Sher Khan | 15 | male
Bakht Muneer | 14 | male
Numair | 14 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Taseel Khan | 18 | male
Zaheeruddin | 16 | male
Qari Ishaq | 19 | male
Jamshed Khan | 14 | male
Alam Nabi | 11 | male
Qari Abdul Karim | 19 | male
Rahmatullah | 14 | male
Abdus Samad | 17 | male
Siraj | 16 | male
Saeedullah | 17 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Salman | 12 | male
Fazal Wahab | 18 | male
Baacha Rahman | 13 | male
Wali-ur-Rahman | 17 | male
Iftikhar | 17 | male
Inayatullah | 15 | male
Mashooq Khan | 16 | male
Ihsanullah | 16 | male
Luqman | 12 | male
Jannatullah | 13 | male
Ismail | 12 | male
Abdul Waris | 16 | male
Darvesh | 13 | male
Ameer Said | 15 | male
Shaukat | 14 | male
Inayatur Rahman | 17 | male
Adnan | 16 | male
Najibullah | 13 | male
Naeemullah | 17 | male
Hizbullah | 10 | male
Kitab Gul | 12 | male
Wilayat Khan | 11 | male
Zabihullah | 16 | male
Shehzad Gul | 11 | male
Shabir | 15 | male
Qari Sharifullah | 17 | male
Shafiullah | 16 | male
Nimatullah | 14 | male
Shakirullah | 16 | male
Talha | 8 | male

YEMEN

Afrah Ali Mohammed Nasser | 9 | female
Zayda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 7 | female
Hoda Ali Mohammed Nasser | 5 | female
Sheikha Ali Mohammed Nasser | 4 | female
Ibrahim Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 13 | male
Asmaa Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 9 | male
Salma Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | female
Fatima Abdullah Mokbel Salem Louqye | 3 | female
Khadije Ali Mokbel Louqye | 1 | female
Hanaa Ali Mokbel Louqye | 6 | female
Mohammed Ali Mokbel Salem Louqye | 4 | male
Jawass Mokbel Salem Louqye | 15 | female
Maryam Hussein Abdullah Awad | 2 | female
Shafiq Hussein Abdullah Awad | 1 | female
Sheikha Nasser Mahdi Ahmad Bouh | 3 | female
Maha Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 12 | male
Soumaya Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 9 | female
Shafika Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 4 | female
Shafiq Mohammed Saleh Mohammed | 2 | male
Mabrook Mouqbal Al Qadari | 13 | male
Daolah Nasser 10 years | 10 | female
AbedalGhani Mohammed Mabkhout | 12 | male
Abdel- Rahman Anwar al Awlaki | 16 | male
Abdel-Rahman al-Awlaki | 17 | male
Nasser Salim | 19

There no words for parents who have lost a child...none! I for one recommend incorporating smart technologies in guns like those found in cell phones, pet tracking, smart toilets, mountain climbers safety gear, smart skis and the list goes on. For gun manufacturers, smart gun technologies would be an inexpensive value added feature making guns safer, easier to track, and provide additional revenues.... then maybe a parent will be spared from the pain of a murdered child. Lets move the conversation forward into the 21 century,

So who do you suppose did this? The Tea Party? The evil Militias? It is time for these irresponsible Black leaders and politicians of all races to come out and say it. Black crime is out of control. There is a connection between peoples poor view of Blacks and the crime rate. These are not the people who fought and won the civil rights movement. These gangsters are trash and are a plague on the land. C'mon, speak up on this and demand action from Washington. President Obama sure seemed shook up about the death of Trayvon Martin.

as the bible said, all hell is coming with him..it just takes time. military .com...were here, just some guys dont want to do it anymore. cause not paid to do so. I want to for the kids. beyer out 2100..

Ban handguns.

we cant help (collateral) damage its a part of war they shoved our planned aircraft into a @!$%#in landmark of the world. get it? i have to see, and kill a child if he wants to shove a rocket up my ass. i dont kill anything thats not a threat to my friends. but if i ,or others find a threating positiong ur partys over. done!!

and i,m happy they now involed women. less chance i get killed!! by th way, i dont like sshootin a deer?

make sense out of that 1??

@!$%# yemen, and somalia. they been robbin our ships 4 years. the kids are a casuality 4 thier stuipidity, rest in pieces. cant help u...............

The person who killed this child is probably still a kid themselves. Our stupid nation, while guns are legal and easy to get all the crazies and children will have guns. That's our situation. We are so duped into thinking easy ownership of these personal WMD is somehow connected to "Freedom" . We are at the mercy of the mentally ill and naive children. Dumb. Stupid. Thoughtless. Self-centered gun "Rights"... WHat you all really want is the right to kill your neighbors, or hope someone crazy does.

Jayfos...(#1.52)..."wow, I am pro-gun and disturbed by this. It should be D) call 911, draw your weapon and order the perp on the ground. The fact that your first inclination is to shoot to kill tells me you dont understand what the 2nd ammendment is about or the responsiblity of a firearm."

Really ???.....Then you don't understand Florida's Self-Defence and Conceal Carry Laws...

""The new law codified in Florida Statutes 776.013(3)(2006) states:

A person who is not engaged in an unlawful activity, and who is attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be has no duty to retreat and has the right to stand his or her ground and meet force with force, including deadly force if he or she reasonably believes it is necessary to do so to prevent death or great bodily harm to himself or herself or another or to prevent the commission of a forcible felony."

It doesn't say I can Play Cop till a real one gets there....The Dirtbag is already commiting a forcible felony, This is for 1st.Time Offences:

Sexual Battery; Rape
Florida Statute 794.011

Sexual Battery carries the most severe penalties of all sexual crimes in Florida. Depending on the victim's characteristics, a person convicted of sexual battery (rape) would be facing a maximum sentence of life in prison and a minimum sentence of nine (9) years in prison.

I'm in a motorized wheelchair......Gun or no gun, if he's already a convicted felon he's especially got nothing to lose....Every Self-Defence Gun Course I've taken teaches, If you draw your weapon, fire till the threat is neutralized. I want me and the rapist's victim to go home alive.....him, not so much....

It's Chicago, what did you expect? same ol same ol.

if the asalant is coght i hope the media releases wether or not hes a registerd gun owner .

i think from now on i think the media should disclose criminals with gun ownership find out what the statistics are

Where are all of you freakin' gun nuts... thought if good people owned guns, we could "prevent" so many shootings!!! I am so sick of hearing about multiple gun deaths EVERY single day in this country!!! I support the proposed gun legislation but if this country continues to decline into a cesspool of gun murders, I would NOT be opposed to our government going to every door in this country and collecting your guns from your "cold dead hands." Screw your 2nd amendment rights!!! That girl and all of the other children and other innocents murdered with guns in this country have rights too... the right to go to school or go to a play ground without worrying about being shot and killed by a gun! Or to a movie theater, or to work.... all should be safe places to go and be!! Fed up with all of you gun nuts... every last one of you! All you could think of to say in response to this article was more garbage about protecting your gun rights! None of you seemed to care that this beautiful child just lost her life today and it could have been YOUR child! You guys keep it up and I think most AMericans are going to get fed up and ask that ALL guns be taken away from EVERYONE! You have no compassion... you should not own a gun either!

jayinflorida

I'm waiting for a politician to come out and say enough of the gangs. Their membership has exploded in the last several years but yet people seem to be resigned that "thugs will be thugs." These are the people responsible for the majority of our crime statistics, these are the people who caused 500+ murders in Chicago last year but everyone wants to ignore them and focus on "assault weapons"??? Give me a break.

Of course it would never happen, they would rather 'feel good' legislation to treat the symptoms (like some Drs do) than getting to the root of the problem and curing the patient.

descrs - just keep your head buried in the sand it's where it belongs! Well played for maximum effect. They will stop at nothing to achieve their goals! RIP Hadiya.

Can someone with a lot more smarts than me PLEASE explain how Chicago is the murder capital of America if guns are virtually banned there? I mean we're talking serious gun-control measures. I just don't get it. Shouldn't Chicago be the SAFEST city in America with all these laws?

Because GUN laws or bans won't work. Criminals will always find guns from somewhere. If they don't then they will then just use knives like they did back in the day. Criminals are resourceful people.

So unless you stop guns from being made across the world, criminals will always find a means to acquire them.

The real issue here is the 'gang' member(s) who killed here. Just like it is in many states. Just like it's the cartels.

We aren't addressing the problem...the criminals using the guns.

I am so sick of hearing about multiple gun deaths EVERY single day in this country!!! I support the proposed gun legislation but if this country continues to decline into a cesspool of gun murders, I would NOT be opposed to our government going to every door in this country and collecting your guns from your "cold dead hands."

How about you should be more sick about hearing about all the multiple car accident deaths a year...or multiple deaths from drunk drivers or multiple deaths from obesity and heart disease due to the bad food our country allows us to serve to people.

More people die every year from those then guns

Car deaths in USA in 2011: 32,367

The total number of gun-related deaths: 8,583

The media regularly twists gun numbers to make gun-related deaths appear predominant over every other type of death in this country. However, a rational examination of how small the percentage of gun-related deaths are when compared to the overall number of deaths in any given year helps one to see through the hype.

For example, in 2011, the total number of gun-related deaths was 8,583.

Taken by itself, out of context, that number seems overwhelming. But taken in the context of overall deaths in America from--including natural causes--that number represents only .34 percent of all deaths for that year.

In other words, the percentage of deaths that were gun-related in 2011 does not even equal half of one percent of the 2,513,171 overall deaths for that year.

And if you really want to see how exaggerated the current anti-"assault rifle" rhetoric is, just look at 2011 numbers for the percentage of rifle-related deaths.

That figure is .012 percent of the overall deaths in America in 2011.

Meanwhile, the percentage of overall deaths that were the result of falling off things like rocks and ladders was 1 percent, or nearly three times the percentage of deaths that were gun-related: 26,631 versus 8,583.

Gun-related deaths represented only .34 percent of all deaths in America 2011. If the left wants us to feel safer, maybe they need to start banning ladders instead of guns.

Time to ban ladders it sounds like.

No one is saying it shouldn't be tougher to acquire a weapon. But the point is criminals, gangs, psychos, etc will still get a gun...

Google - Gun Town USA

This town of over 30k outside of Atlanta, GA, passed an Ordnance requiring EVERY household to own & maintain a gun - 30+years ago...

There have been 4+gun related deaths there, during this time period. Two of these occurred in a 'GUN FREE School Zone', where State & Federal laws over-rode the town Ordnance...

There are restrictions on who has to maintain these guns; felons, handicapped, etc are excluded...

While I do not advocate EVERY-ONE having a gun, it does result in a more polite society...

Those that have restricted guns from their law-abiding-Citizens, have seen nothing but INCREASING VIOLENT crime rates...

The UK restricted guns almost two decades ago - They are now the most VIOLENT country in the EU...

Australia restricted gun ownership - As soon as the law was enacted - home invasions INCREASED...

As the US Gang crime rates have INCREASED - The US Cities have INCREASED their gun regulations and POLICE forces - Gun related crimes are still INCREASING - through-out the USA...

BTY - I do not support the NRA, but support; periodic 'Back-Ground Checks' for EVERYONE that wants or has a weapon, ACCOUNTABILITY for ALL gun owners and MANDATORY security containers for weapons/ammunition. And YES I have guns, a CCW and current training...

BTY - The country I currently live in has Homicide rates 5x the USA...

If you have a unregistered gun or excessive ammunition - 5+years in JAIL...

It the gun is a military style weapon or larger than 32cal - LIFE in JAIL...

Citizens are restricted from possession, unless justification can be proven...

A foreign visitor is restricted from gun ownership...

This weekend a Dutch man shot two Australian by-standers, when he was arguing about a motorbike and missed the intended target. I hope he enjoys his long-stay & has someone to supply him with FOOD, while in jail... Ha! Ha!

Ban handguns.

Oh joy, another 'throughly thought out', knee-jerk response. Really?! Every high-school in America has banned illegal drugs and created 'drug-free' school zones. And every day in every high school in America kids can easily get whatever illegal drugs they want from the criminals that DO NOT FOLLOW THE LAW. But banning guns will be different, right?

@notsojingle...

You are NOT a firearm owner... I call BS on you.. The AR-15 that is available is NOT a military grade fully automatic firearm.. The military does not USE the AR-15.. It just LOOKS like one.... On pull of the trigger, one bullet... Same as a pistol or revolver... The magazin that hold the rounds can be swapped out in under a second... NO BAN on these types of firearms or magazines will stop the sensless killings. It's a CRIMINAL / MENTAL issue that we must deal with. YOU and people like you are spewing lies. YOU and people like you are not making us any safer... ALL YOU SHEEPLE are being bull @!$%#ted. Just feel good laws that you want to pass that won't make any difference in crime or mass murders...

The government won't go after the criminals because they want this to happen

to give them an excuse to disarm the population

Nailed it. Bravo for the great post. If the government DIDN'T want this to happen, the twenty thousand-plus gun laws already on the books would be ENFORCED.

Good Morning Mike! SPOT ON!! Please dont kill the begonias with the dirtbags brains!

So now that this girl could have been Obamas daughter...........WHEN is the community organizer going to publicly appeal to the gangs in Chicago????

WHY isnt he all over Rhams sh!t to clean up his city???? This is a 10 x a day occurrence!!!

LaPierre! Why didn't you get her a gun to defend herself with? That would have prevented this wouldn't it?

Chicago today has become worse than the Chicago of Capone. At least back then they tried not to hit innocents. Chicago. What a hole.

FedupwithFed,

WHEN is the community organizer going to publicly appeal to the gangs in Chicago????

After he first apologizes to them I would imagine.

I live in a pro gun city of over 1 million people. You can buy assault rifles at walmart here, can apply for a conceal carry in about 5 minutes........ we had 43 total murders in 2012. --- Of those, the vast majority were gang related.

We must be doing something right.

The real eye opener is when you look at our home invasion statistics.... oh year, they barely exist at only 2 last year =)

Imagine a day when every gun in the country is registered, and the trigger can only be pulled by the registered owner via finger-print technology in the trigger? There would be an end to anonymous gun murders. And the NRA would have no rational justification to oppose it, as anyone who wants to defend their home with a gun still retains the means to do so.

akguy - Well I just don't understand how this can possibly happen when not a single gun shop can be found in Chicago because they are outlawed along with so-called assault weapons and high-capacity magazines.

Point proven: Criminals will always have guns. If anyone here thinks more gun laws will prevent this, they are only fooling themselves. Criminals DO NOT obey the laws. Criminals will never be subjected to back ground checks. They do not buy where law-abiding citizens do.

WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama has signed into law a bill granting lifetime Secret Service protection to former presidents and their wives. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/10/obama-protection_n_2450701.html

It is okay for them to have life long, paid protection by taxpayers, and yet begrudge the law abiding citizen the right to protect themselves? Double standard and very self-serving.

Wake up America.

RIP little one -

Massachusettz, how about we go after the root cause of murder, that is our dysfunctional society. If what you imagine were to someday become reality, killers will substitute the gun for the next most lethal means. I'm not an NRA member, but I support their cause of protecting my 2nd amendment rights. While what you imagine is technologically possible, some day, it will likely be impractical to implement as a majority of law abiding gun owners and 100% of criminals will not comply due to the expense and probable bulkiness of the technology.

I know this wont be popular, but in the other story, it said this girl was standing with some friends, later in the same story toe police say , she wasnt the target, the target was gang members, Well if you are close enough to "Gang Members" to get accidentally shot when someone is shooting at them, then i have to wonder who those "friends" were? Am i supposed to believe that gang and non gang members hang out together, i thought there was a turf issue that would keep non members out of the area where gangs hang out?

Massachusettz, all that will do is create a black market in cut off fingers to go along with the gun. You dont understand violence, do you?

Why was post # 1.22 1/30/13 9:30 p.m. by Dee Turner "collapsed by the community"? There's nothing offensive or disrespectful in it. What is "the community" here?-- just the NRA & gun ownership proponents??? Her comment deserves the light of day, as do several other collapsed comments that have been unjustifiably censored.

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I am sick to death of "It wasn't the gun, it was the person," or "it wasn't the bullet, it was the punk."

Balderdash. We've been more and more awash in arms since this insidious Supreme Court held gun ownership to be a personal right in 2008--for the first time in history.

We need to get rid of the guns and assault rifles. We ruined Mexico with our drug addictions and the flood of USA made weapons into that country. Now the same thing is happening here. We'll always have punks. Guns, we can get rid of, and it's past time.

I think the current gun madness stems from a deep national malaise about 9/11 that's turned us into a nation of cowards. We all know there's important information that's been hidden from the public about that event. We haven't had closure, and now, we have national cowardice and a deeply rooted cynicism about government as a result.

We should not become a nation of armed encampments that once were schools and shopping centers. That notion is both sickening and absurd.

Another poster who deserves to be heard, and not collapsed:

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So sad-- beautiful person-- inside and out. What an absolute shame and disgrace

So it would have been OK if she was ugly?

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Ray in Jax Comment collapsed by the community

What a shame there weren't 5 or more other gunmen in the area to prevent this shooting.... Last I heard, the more guns on the streets, the safer we are.... =p

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dan123123123 Comment collapsed by the community

Yeah because its legal to have a gun in Chicago now right? Wake up.... Ok lets get rid of all the guns in the world and then see what happens. Oh yeah we see how violent crime goes up.. That's what we need. Yeah its just the guns that are the evil and nothing else and if they were ALL gone the world would be such a better place and nothing bad would happen to anyone.... Wow cool story bro....

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Eric-913730 Comment collapsed by the community

While the pro-gun people will reiterate their illogical rhetoric, "we can't stop it so let's do nothing".

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Tracy1973 Comment collapsed by the community

That is what the liberal legislators will focus on rather that holding the scum bag accountable.

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Tracy1973 Comment collapsed by the community

That is what the liberal legislators will focus on rather that holding the scum bag accountable.

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What's going on?

Math+Sci+JusticeFuelProsperity....Mine get collapsed all the time ( for no reason, in my opinion for being the Loyal Opposition ).....Write the Moderators at the "CONTACT US" Tab at the bottom of your Newsvine Homepage....

We all know how to read Collapsed Comments and still vote or not vote up.....Every once in a while the comments get restored by the Moderators, but they have their hands full, with so many posts.....

P.S....Most posts are collapsed by the Liberals....Newsvine is a Liberal Leaning Venture....

Math+Sci... Your point is taken, but let me point out that comment collapse here on NewsVine is caused by a poorly designed web application. First only the lead post of a thread ties the comments together. In order to comment on your comment I have to include your name. Second, there is only an up arrow and an exclamation point for approval or disapproval of a statement. If some idiot posts some nonsense a simple down arrow would be appropriate but instead you are forced to ignore or vote for collapse.

Like gun violence, policy is the culprit here. The gun policy in the US is not uniform, so even if a state or local government implements the most stringent gun laws, they are meaningless unless the entire country gets on board like they did when the US outlawed fully-automatic weapons. Like NewsVine the United States has a structural policy problem when compared with other countries. Other countries can at least try to regulate the flow of weapons into their country, a city or state in the US cannot. So what we now have is a domestic arms race where a lot of people think that carrying provides safety. I don't think so.

Mike in Delray,

P.S....Most posts are collapsed by the Liberals....Newsvine is a Liberal Leaning Venture....

Leaning?

The most profound thing I heard from yesterday's hearings on gun violence, came from the mother of a Newtown School Shooting victim; "(it's a sad state of affairs) when we love our guns more than we love our children."

Truer words were never spoken.

The problem isn't too few guns. The problem is too many guns.

All this talk about mentally unstable individuals ruining it for law abiding citizens is pure rhetoric. Nobody has a record, until the first time they commit a crime.

A lot, in fact most, of these school shootings were done by people with no criminal record.

All things, including the 2nd amendment considered; we need common sense gun control legislation. Too may shootings, too many kids getting killed

ZMan,

A lot, in fact most, of these school shootings were done by people with no criminal record

A lot, in fact most, of these school shootings were done by people with documented mental health issues.

It's not about too many guns it's about too many crazy people that are allowed to walk the streets. Crazy people, that if not for the ACLU, would be locked up right now.

The most profound thing I heard from yesterday's hearings on gun violence, came from the mother of a Newtown School Shooting victim; "(it's a sad state of affairs) when we love our guns more than we love our children."

Truer words were never spoken.

Really Zman 2012! The statement is stupid, both on the surface and even more so after you look at what is killing our children. What rational human being loves anything more than their children? The number of children killed by firearms is a fraction of those people who are adult (18 and older). Thousands more children die each year from any number of causes, far more preventable than imposing worthless laws and regulations on the law abiding. Before you say, "well those were accidental deaths", let me tell you, short of being hit by a meteorite, virtually 100% of what we call accidents are preventable. In my place of work, any personnel injury is investigated to the nth degree. All accidents have a root cause that can be prevented.... period, in the majority cases at little or no cost.

Svenolafson ...(#1.94).."Mike in Delray,

P.S....Most posts are collapsed by the Liberals....Newsvine is a Liberal Leaning Venture....

Leaning? "...

Let's just say I was full of Compassionate Conservatism when I penned that.....

Here is what I have to say to those saying its the guns fault and this is how ridiculous you people sound.

By saying its the guns fault, that's the exact same as saying they were just driving by and the gun all of a sudden jumped up from where ever it was stashed in the car, aimed out the window at this little girl and pulled its own trigger, shot and killed her.

See just how ridiculous this sounds? A gun is a complete lifeless item. There is zero life to a gun UNTIL it's put in the hands of a human being. A gun lying motionless on a table or anywhere is nothing more then a paper weight. A gun is only lethal when put in the hands of a human being.

If you can not see this, then a lot of you need some serious help.

Maybe we need some of those illegal drone strikes in Chicago.

What a waste, she had a bright out look and now it's gone just like that, I'm not about to point fingers here because its just a waste of my time, I honestly think BOTH sides have about as much brains as a ROCK, you fools can argue till you're blue in the face and guess what nothing will change.... RIP Hadiya

Another gun ban murder victim. From the murder capital of the nation. Following along with Great Britain and its violent crime rate 3.5 times what the United States is, even with Chicago included.

Obama: I have an idea, be soft on criminals and use them as an excuse for your gun grab. Maybe if enough helpless schools are attacked the people will just willingly give up their guns? Then the government can do what ever it wants because the people have no way to defend themselves from their government. LOL.

FEMA bought 1.15 billion rounds of hollow point amunition? Are they expecting an invasion or a revolution?

Thank you for not bringing up the gun issue. So many people focus on that lately with this seeming rash of gun violence nation wide while ignoring the fact that many people have lost loved ones, in most cases loved ones who were the most innocent of victims. Also, in this case and in AZ, the perps are still at large.

For me it is the senselessness of it all.

Don't worry! They will not and cannot take our guns. We will all be sittin ducks if they did. The inner city's and mental patients are winning the day and everyone else is getting the backlash! Ignorant people think that if we are just nice to the muslims they will be nice, if we are just nice to a alligator they will be nice, if we get rid of guns the world will be fluffly bunnies and rainbows and all the drugs will disappear. Dream on!

The NRA's dream is to eventually have everyone in America armed, almost like everyone having cell phones. There will no longer be a need for law enforcement because the citizens, regardless of age, background or color will be expert marksmen and be able to hit a target with a single bullet. No bullets will ever go astray and crime will be a thing of the past. Even your 92 year old granny will be able to take out someone with the first shot. Is this NRA Utopia not far behind? Will guns come in different colors and be a household item like a cell phone or purse or sunglasses?? THIS, my fellow Americans, is the NRA's goal. How much crack have they smoked recently?

rlor24, glad to see you have the NRA all figured out. I do get it. Guns are lethal. The calculus of the probability of a gun in the home being used to shoot a bad-guy coming in vs. the gun harming yourself or your children is a tough call. If you live in a high-crime area and know how to safely use a gun, you should be allowed to have a gun. The trigger-puller in this girl's death didn't think much about gun laws, and I'm fairly certain he got the gun off the street.

So, "choice" is a constitutionally protected right only if it's the "choice" to kill your own baby in the womb, but the choice of owning a gun to defend your family should be banned? "When seconds count, the police are minutes away..."

The NRA is defending our right to defend ourselves against lawless sociopaths with guns, and nowadays, against a government that doesn't even pretend to abide by the constitution that gives it legitimacy or the laws it is supposed to uphold.

NRA, sign me up.

Yes! Yes! She should have had her own gun and this would have been prevented!

I have a bridge...

niece1964: A gun really helped this child, didn't it.

Sitting ducks = children.

The NRA is defending our right to defend ourselves against lawless sociopaths with guns, and nowadays, against a government that doesn't even pretend to abide by the constitution that gives it legitimacy or the laws it is supposed to uphold.

IMO, no one is arguing against the "right to defend ourselves against lawless sociopaths with guns" --it's just that some members of our society think that fewer restrictions on gun ownership are a better defense against lawless sociopaths with guns (& perhaps against family or neighborhood member enraged or distressed about something in her/his life), whereas other members of our society today think that some additional restrictions on manufacture and/or sale and/or ownership of some of the models of firearms would overall be the better method to implement "our right to defend ourselves against lawless sociopaths with guns" (& perhaps against family or neighborhood member enraged or distressed about something in her/his life).

As for the earlier post's remark about abiding by the U.S. Constitution, the checks-and-balances of judicial//legislative//executive branches of government is designed to accomplish this. Of course, your member of Congress could propose a new amendment to the Constitution to more explicitly & clearly specify details of gun ownership or other issues.

However, it has been noted: "Less restrictive laws in neighboring communities and states not only make guns easy to obtain nearby, but layers of differing laws — local and state — make it difficult to police violations."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/01/30/us/strict-chicago-gun-laws-cant-stem-fatal-shots.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

It does no good for Chicago to have strict gun laws when neighboring states have lax laws.

Yeah so ban them all that works.... Oh yeah by the way you need the government to tell you how to act, what to eat, and where you can go too since that will make you the safest. Better yet you're not allowed out of your house at all ever again because then you will be safe and nothing bad could happen to you then... Watch I-Robot troll..... Another delusional person who seems to think magically all the bad things will stop if you get rid of guns. Not noticing that more people are killed WITHOUT guns then with guns and wow violent crime is off the charts in England where guns are pretty much gone.... Facts just dont fit the agenda do they...

Great idea; get rid of guns, gee what will they think of next, maybe respect, less violent culture. It is truly amazing the "gun nuts" want more guns. That will do it then we can have shootouts on every corner everywhere in America. Arm us all to the hilt, and we will be civil. What bs.

So why aren't all these "neighboring states with lax gun laws" awash in blood?

Chicago has strict gun laws but the guns are imported. If guns were registered, we could catch the bastards that are arming the gangs. However, the NRA is in the way. Lets create paper trails for guns and make the people responsible for getting these guns to the gangs. I have grown up in Chicago and there have always been gangs. White, black, Hispanic, you name it. Guns were not easily attainable until the last few decades. Someone is making them and someone is dealing them to the gangs. Now you see why the President wants registration of all guns. Right now, no one is responsible. Help us find them.

Illegal mexicans brought them in after obama and his team sold them to them

I don't believe many people are aware that while records are kept on gun purchases, a federal law that was introduced in 1979 and became permanent in 1986 prohibits an actual database. If the cops call the ATF and provide a serial number (this is for recovered guns only), the people there have to look through stacks after stack and boxes and more boxes. They cannot just enter the serial number in a computer and up pops the owner's name. When a gun store closes, all of their handwritten records are sent to the ATF in boxes and there they remain.

Criminals are not going to go to a gun store and try to buy a gun because they know they would never pass the background check. They either get the gun on the black market or someone with a clean record buys it for them. There are some, I repeat some, gun shows where one need only show a valid ID. I recall watching some talk show where a guy wanted to find out if this was true, so he went to several gun shows and bought a few handguns and a rifle and never had to show anything more than his driver's license. One time he said he had left it in his car and the seller told him "oh, don't worry about it" and completed the transaction. He guy on the talk show reported that there were no computers nearby to do a background check and there was not even a receipt provided. Is this wrong? I think it is and so do many others.

Mark -

Chicago has always had both gangs and guns - there are more guns available in the US today by far, but yet Chicago's murder rate is almost half of what it was in the 90s. One day people will wake up and target those responsible for the crimes.

You want to ban something? Ban gangs. Make being a gang member something you hide out of fear of being discovered/caught/jailed instead of something you cover yourself in tats to show off with pride.

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/47778690/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/t/fractured-gangs-behind-chicago-homicide-surge/#.UQnJxPIWnZc

Mark/Chicago - why settle for the perp who supplied the firearm. Why not put more effort into going after the shooter? As long as there is a market, there will always be a supplier.

The frustration I have is that even if we get rid of all the assault weapons, another weapon will be used. One of the few things man is good at is finding inventive ways to kill each other. I think we will just forever be chasing our tails trying to outlaw or ban whatever weapon is used. To me, the proposed ban is just a political agenda and not because the politicians seriously want to do something about it.

How about putting more money/effort into our police/detective squads to capture these thugs? How about more resources for judicial/prison systems? How about putting some resources into cracking down on the gangs? Of course, to do this they would probably have to pass a budget, fix the economy, and find money in the budget to pay for it......so yes, we should probably throw up our hands in resignation.

Mark - I just wanted to add I can see your point about registration and paper trails. The problem is that is not the only thing on the agenda. I see it as just a stepping stone for more bans/confiscation. My state has already made attempts to pass bans that include confiscation (without compensation) - how is that fair? A database would make confiscation, which appears to be the end goal, soooooooo much easier.

First, my condolences to the family.

truthin - even in "The Wild West" they didn't have shootouts on every corner and almost everyone went armed. You anti-gun fanatics are not only misinformed but completely irrational. Like a bunch of Chicken Littles running around. I have owned and still own several firearms along with bows, swords and air guns. I shoot in competitions and go "plinking" to relax. It is almost a Zen thing. I have never had the urge to go out and start shooting anyone, however, if you think that you can break into my house with impunity then you will not even have the opportunity to have second thoughts. The same thing goes for accosting me on the streets. It is not the tool - it is how you use it and your intentions.

Does anybody else scratch their head that all of this violence is happening in Chicago...where there are already the strictest gun laws in America??

No, I'm not scratching my head at all, because I can apply logic and critical thinking skills to the issue. Chicago can have the toughest gun laws in the nation, but unless it's also completely sealed its borders at the city limits, the guns -- purchased legally or illegally elsewhere -- can freely flow in and out of the city.

See how easy that head-scratcher was to solve?

I hear Apple is going to come out with an iGun. It'll have Suri tell you when to shoot and at whom. You'll never "accidentally" shoot anyone. It'll come in different colors and you'll be able to take it on a plane. After all, law enforcement has failed in protecting us, which is what the NRA has indirectly implied, right. We might as well do away with them and reduce every police officer to a security guard at Walmart. I never did understand the "love" gun owners have. Are they some sort of phallic symbol? Do they have "other" uses that they're not telling us about?

That's why we need strict NATIONAL gun control. It's far too easy for guns sold in Arizona to kill someone in Chicago.

Until then, to the extent they can locate the source of these guns, Chicago needs to sue the cities and states that allowed them to be sold to criminals. It's legislative depraved indifference.

Illicit drugs are illegal in every state also, but the supply is readily obtainable from Mexican cartels. Why do you think guns would be any different?

Heck even our own government supplied guns to the drug cartels through the Fast and Furious program.

I would guess half the murders or more in this country are by gang members. Do you ever hear Al Sharpton or Jessie Jackson or for that matter Obama himself say much about the gang bangers. Talk about hypocrites. Instead of sending our National Guard to foreign countries, we need to send them to our inner cities.

For those of you with the classic "they buy the guns somewhere else and bring them in" argument, you're wrong. But it is the classic way of saying just expanding the ridiculous laws already in place will work. You probably also believe that the gov't spending more money is the best way to pull us out of our deficit problem. The criminals know good and well how to get guns where they live.

So you expect us to believe that the crime rate with guns in Chicago is so high because people bring guns in from where it is legal to buy them? Ok, so using that logic, why is crime lower in those areas where it's legal to buy those guns? Could it be because criminals in those locations know that people probalby own weapons there and will defend themselves? USe some common sense. Your laws don't work, same as your high taxes don't work.

Soupy-3440008: Totally agree. Why did the neocons start two major wars when we have so many domestic issues at home? We should have kept our troops home and policed our own borders. Much smarter.

well all i am going to add my thoughts to this argument. this is a tragedy just as losing anyone is. i know many say that the guns to cars comparison is apples to oranges. i disagree and i offer the facts that i know best my own. i am 39 have been driving since i was 17 have been through the training, have a license, carry the proper insurance and register my auto. i have been shooting and using a gun since i was 5 i have been trained since that time that they are NOT toys, play things and were not to be handled without an adult present when i was a child. best i can figure guns have been in my family for at least the last 60 years.

what does this have to do with anything right. simple in my little over 20 years of driving, i have been in one head on collision that put my brother in the hospital for a month and took him three to be able to walk. hit by an 18 year old girl tooking through her purse. outside of that one i have been in probably a dozen other minor accidents. i have had my sister involved in a roll over accident. my father, brothers aunts and most everyone i know who drives have been in a car accident. in the 60+ years my family has owned guns we have never and pray we never do had a gun accident. why? because we have all been taught since we were little that they are NOT toys as you anti gun people like to refer to them. has anyone looked to see where guns are the biggest problem? take a look no stats needed. chicago, detroit, DC, new york, LA, SF and so on. why is that? because us crazy rednecks as you anti gun people call us gun owners have been using and training on the proper use and handling of guns since we were children. we know what a gun is and also more importantly what it can do. the facts are clear to those that want to look at them and you don't even need the governments help. open your eyes and just look. the areas were guns are actually a part of our lives don't have a gun problem. its those areas where guns are just in our lives that are the problem. you ask for training and such for guns well i offer my resume. 34 years, yes 34 years of gun training and over 60+ years of gun history. those are the facts that i know for sure. guns aren't the problem the people that shouldn't have them is. until we find a way to keep them from them any laws are just going to make my training worth less because according to you anti gun people guns are dangerous and should be banned from EVERYONE.

@ BigT73 -- your thoughts are interesting, especially the comparison between automobile violence & gun violence. So lots of states now have laws requiring automobile insurance, some kind of driver's ed course, occasional renewal testing with eye tests & road law tests, an original driving test to obtain license, learner's permits. What if we had similar requirements for having a gun-driver's license, and similar insurance, etc., requirements to own a gun? Insurance rates would be variable based on actuarial statistics -- presumably rates would be lower in rural areas where people grow up using (with proper care & respect) guns for hunting, etc., and if one ever had any kind of gun "crash" or "accident" then one's insurance rates would go up. Perhaps gun ownership could require that the owner maintain a membership in a certified shooting range, with required tri-annual competency testing. To drive a truck rather than a car requires a different class of license, and there are different license plate/registration charges. So perhaps for certain "truck-guns", there would be a different class of gun license & training required, as well as different annual "license plate" charges. When used cars change ownership, many states require some kind of state inspection. Perhaps used gun sales could require some kind of similar state inspection. We can drive across state lines, and there is now sharing of driving info police databases; similar sharing could happen for gun users' data base. Different auto driver insurers offer "good-driver" & other discounts.

In recent decades, the number of auto accidents & fatalities has been decreasing (at least on a percentage basis), partly due to improved road design, improved road signage & road lighting, improved automobile design, required seat-belt use, air bags, better bumpers, etc. Automobile manufacturers must meet certain safety standards. All these issues can be drawn over to the world of gun safety.

God is imaginary, and imaginary beings can bestow no blessings. This is a very sad story to read; yet another life cut down senselessly. Just heartbreaking.

And your point is? In these situations keep your useless thoughts to yourself!

Thinkforyourself-2427469: I don't see how tearing down someone's faith helps them cope with grief. God is this person's faith and their way to deal with life's problems. You may not agree with the concept and philosophy, but I hope you can at least see the positive pillar that God presents in this person's life and honor that.

We have gun laws in Chicago, but the guns come in from the suburbs and Indiana. The guns are imported. How about we also hang the gun dealers that look the other way and arm the gangs? Let's register the guns so we can get to the bottom of this issue. We track cars and other things, how about the guns. Why do the gun people want to hide?

Do you think gang bangers register guns? Do you think this gun was legally owned by a law abiding citizen that bought the weapon legitimately? Gun laws do not apply to the criminals that misuse them, pretty simple.

It is a very sad thing that this little girl with the heart of gold was killed. My condolences to her family and her friends.

According to a ruling by the Supreme Court in 1968 (Haynes vs US), a criminal cannot be made to admit they have a gun. That is against the Fifth Amendment; the one that prohibits self-incrimination.

Mark - are you aware of the current restrictions in Chicago? I live here now and to legally keep a firearm in my house for protection it is roughly $300 worth of fees, permits, registrations, background checks, fingerprints, safety classes etc. And if I were to move across the street? Another $15 to notify the city of my change of address so they can update my registration information.

Meanwhile, on the south and west sides, the criminals are not doing any of that. No FOID cards, no city permits, no registration, etc.

And now Rahm talks about adding MORE restrictions. Seriously?? NYC implemented a stop and frisk policy - look shady get stopped and crime dropped immediately. Why not here?

I'm in Edgewater on the north side - when its warm, I can watch the dudes in the white t-shirts on the corner doing drug deals all day/night long. When we call the cops, if they come, they will pull across the street in their car and sit there watching the guys but never so much as get out and talk to them. This used to make the guys move along to the next block but they don't even do that anymore. Basically they out wait the cops and the beat goes on.

If liability went back to the last legal owner, you can be sure fewer criminals would have guns.

No one in their right mind would sell guns without strict background checks if they knew they could lose everything (including their freedom) if those guns were used to kill someone.

Really...... a black issue? Not very smart. Maybe you should do some research. The President can't make laws, the President can't raise taxes. He needs the Congress to do anything. Maybe you should take a leadership role. What have you done?

walljasper1 you are one total ignorant SOB. Black people are doctors, lawyers, nurses, teachers and on and on. Black people died for your sorry white ass in the Revolutionary War, the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. And a black person is now POTUS and you can't stand it can you you dumb POS.

Mike, Im white and we do not claim that ignorant walljasper1. And I agree, he is a POS.

Mark, you're absolutely correct. It's not a black issue. It's not a white issue. It's a human issue, and a complex and contentious one at that. Sweeping knee-jerk governmental fixes may allow politicians to say "Well, I did SOMETHING..." but not usually something that makes a difference in the specific issue.

I'm a "pasty-faced white boy" and I've had African American professors who have provided me help and encouragement, my heart was operated on by an Electrophysiologist (an Internal Medicine Specialist who went through a Cardiology fellowship then an additional two year fellowship in the electrical system of the heart) from Nigeria. I've had Black colleagues and classmates. My boss for my last two jobs was a young African American from Atlanta, and he was likely the best employer I've ever worked for. Given half a chance, folks of African descent can do anything anyone else can do.

Regardless of our ethnicity or station in life, we HAVE TO link arms with other like-minded people of good will and do what we can to make a difference. For the sake of our own sons and daughters, and for the memory of this beautiful young girl, we gotta do better.

Davy Jones Detroit: Thank you for a decent and relevant post regarding African Americans. I don't necessarily agree with some of your previous post about gun ownership, but I do respect the right for people to defend themselves and their property. On a separate note, I've lived in Chicago just about all of my life, and Mark is right. There have always been gangs of every race, but until the last several years, there wasn't all of this gun violence associated with the gangs. Where are the guns coming from if we have such strict gun laws. This is just one issue out of many gun-related issues that local, and national governments need to be focused on. How are the guns illegally obtained. Is it on the black market, through loopholes, what? For people who want their guns, obtain them legally and are properly trained, fine have your guns. But in my opinon, people living in close contact, places like Chicago, don't need guns. Innocent people are dying because too many guns are in the hands of the wrong people. And please, to those of you posting on this site,this is not a liberal thing, a republican thing, but a human issue thing. Please offer solutions other than just having more guns. I don't want to live in a wild, wild west society.

Peace to legal, respectable gun owners. Can we come together and figure out a solution for all of us without being disrespectable to eachother. While gun owners and non-gun owners consider the other persons dilemma/position.

IMO there's a lot to be said for a system that treats gun ownership rather much like automobile or truck ownership, and that treats gun operation rather much like automobile or truck operation, and perhaps that treats ammunition like prescription drugs. Of course, the three are radically different, but our system of automobile & driver regulation works pretty well (though of course not perfectly), and if society accepts such systems of regulation of the nearly essential personal use of automobiles & prescription drugs (both of which also cause death & sadness when misused), then perhaps society could agree to similar systems of regulation of guns, gun operators, & gun ammunition.

The reality is that this violence is black on black mostly happening in a controlled area of Chicago. The populace does not trust the police and the police are not going to go out of their way to help in a place like South Chicago. Rahm Emmanuel likes the black vote but he does not need to answer to the poor so everybody turns a blind eye. This has been happening for a long time and it always gets worse during difficult economic times. There are no easy answers unless you take a zero tolerance stance which ain't going to happen.

My question is what can you do? The communities this happens in won't cooperate when the police go to investigate the crimes. The "leaders" of those same communities don't acknowledge a problem, if they do they point the finger at everyone else except you know, the people doing the crimes.

Meanwhile, the self destructive behavior that caused the problem (rampant drugs, teen pregnancies, no desire for an education, and the "gangsta" culture/lifestyle in general) keep repeating themselves with no one (except perhaps Bill Cosby) who will call out the people and at least try to hold them responsible for their own actions.

Let's face it, no one in Englewood gives a flip about what the mayor, chief of police, or any other authority figure says. They do what they want and destroy their own communities. Until one of their own stands up and leads, nothing will get done.

Yes, JayinFlorida, what can society do? Well, no one should expect a perfect system. We might try to learn something by looking back at history of America diminishing the power of old time 1930s gangsters, diminishing the power of immoral gunslingers of Wild West days, diminishing the power of vigilante lynching instigators, diminishing the power of abusive "sweat shop" employers.

We could say that if the country's economy were healthy, then reduced stresses would reduce crimes, but that certainly wouldn't cover all bases -- e.g. gangs, lovers in strife, and mentally challenged isolated lonely socially dysfunctional souls. If society were able to wave a magic Harry Potter wand and --poof!!-- make all our schools effective, then that would help a lot. If society were able to do another Harry Potter number and --poof!!-- eliminate all illicit drug & alcohol ills, then that would help a lot. If society could wave Harry's wand once more and --poof!!-- eliminate all economic & social injustice, then that would help a lot.

Laws & programs should generally not be permanent but should instead be responses to the issues of the times. IF our society is caught in the throes of a cultural excess of violence, than we should adjust laws & programs accordingly; IF society is able to overcome the current difficulties, then laws & programs should re-adjust, perhaps at that time allowing for more unrestricted exercise of freedom. If need be, we could even adopt a new constitutional amendment, perhaps only temporarily, to deal with current challenges.

Here is the other article.

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/01/30/16771949-walking-angel-girl-who-performed-at-obamas-inauguration-shot-dead-in-chicago

If you don't like NBC's way of doing things don't open the website. I don't go to Fox News because I don't subscribe to the viewpoint.

FOX fair and balanced. Im sure you dont

CdB-1216168 We come here to see what morons think as well as to get the NEWTHINK AND NEWSPEAK side of the coin. Nothing wrong really with either FOX or MSLSD, they report news, it's the commentators that people THINK are the general anchors. The problem with MSLSD is that the commentators have become the anchors making their views into general news. It is not balanced here, that is why conservatives check it out to see what Obama Drone and ObamaPHONE holders are consuming. Evidently more drivel.

Now go back to your oatmeal and try to not get any on you.....can Biden eat oatmeal without help? We NEED an in depth story on MSLSD to find out this and other pertinent questions!

msnbc is owned and operated by the we love obama more than are own kids foundation

Xyberion1K3,We need tougher laws.Change the law and make gang banging a federal crime punishable by 30years in prison even if they so much as jaywalk.Secure the borders due to the drugs flowing into the U.S. as this is how they fund their illegal life style.Make car theft and home invasion robberies punishable by life in prison because these are other crimes that gangs use to fund their lifestyle.Most gang banger's don't hold down jobs but they all seem to have shelter,food,cars and clothing.They need to have their funds stopped so that gang banging would no longer be profitable.

More money for schools ect --been done.Beat those dam kids. rotten bastards, oh wow that is half the problem

No, there is not "Gun Violence" all over this Country, in my State you rarely

have this kind of crap going on, but then again my State is decidedly

Conservative, where most, not all, are in Church on Sundays.

And the Children are taught RESPECT for others and themselves.

I am in the Midwest, people are moving here in droves from "Troubled States".

All I have to say to them is Welcome to the Midwest, leave your troubles at the State

line.......

Sick of People, thank you for your comment, but you don't have to be conservertive to attend church or teach your kids manners and decency and respect for everyone. My husband and I both grew up on the southside of Chicago, we both grew up in the church, for the most part, and both attended college. We didn't come from ideal families, but they did the best the could. Our kids have both attended and completed college, Michigan State, and Purdue. We are liberal-minded, but respect other's opinions and political persuasions. My point, is that I think in many ways, we are more alike than different, but we tend to divide eachother with labels thinking that one way is better than the other. In the end, I hope that as a nation, we can do something about the gun violence that haunts this nation and kills so many innocent people.

Another gun ban murder victim. From the murder capital of the nation. Following along with Great Britain and its violent crime rate 3.5 times what the United States is, even with Chicago included.

Obama: I have an idea, be soft on criminals and use them as an excuse for your gun grab. Maybe if enough helpless schools are attacked the people will just willingly give up their guns? Then the government can do what ever it wants because the people have no way to defend themselves from their government. LOL.

FEMA bought 1.15 billion rounds of hollow point amunition? Are they expecting an invasion or a revolution?

walljadsper1, you dumb sh*t, that doesn't even make sense.

"Life is tough, it's even tougher when you're stupid." John Wayne

Tracy,

I think we should focus on the bad guys( not all us good guys) and try to separate them out.

A way to do that would be to make it law that all guns had to be registered.

Anyone else with a gun would be an outlaw, and subject to arrest.

Wouldn't that make it a little easier for the police?

So, all law-abiding citizens of this great country would register each and every gun they owned.

Anyone else that had a gun was an outlaw, and would be subject to arrest.

The NRA is not one person it is all of are voice we want to stay free from tyrannical government

most people that point the finger are most likely over looking there part of the problem

i wonder if you think god is a bad thing

2little2soon,People who do these types of random shooting in public places are gang banger's,most of them felons,who are using stolen guns.The NRA is against people such as this owning guns.This solely lies on the shoulders of government who have not been tough enough on the gang problem.

"saying things like " chicago has some of the strictest gun control laws in the country," as is they're happy this girl was murdered so they can make some kind of point that only makes sense to them"

I felt the same way when the liberal morons of the nation used Sandy Hook to further their gun-control agenda. The bill was written before the shooting. They used a tragedy to push an agenda. Do you think that gun was registered by a law abiding gun-owner? Do you think the person who owns that gun gives a darn about obamas gun laws?

popeye and cleaning lady, i'm not going to take issue with any particulars of either post. my assertion was that responsible gun owners should be leading the way toward a solution. in that way the rabid anti-gun crowd, and posturing politicians would have to follow the lead, not be it.

Fine, you want this solved, any time a gang member is found armed, they are

shot DEAD right on the spot. If caught with drugs, LIFE in prison without Parole.

These are CRIMINALS!!!!!! NO RIGHTS should be bestowed.

Bet this happens over the course of a short time, the Gangs will be done.

Not to this family who lost their child. Not just another day.

not being a person with black skin i can't answer your question. i can take a guess though. part of it may be that some are fearful that if they speak out against guns, it would only further excite the rabid segment of gun owners, those who likely run the gamut from closet bigots to out and out racists. note i said the rabid segment, not the sensible gun owners. right now it's that rabid fringe that's driving the pro-gun ownership message. again, just a guess.

Oh come on! There has been an epidemic of black on black crime for years and the only black influential black person I've heard speak out against is Bill Cosby and that didn't go over very well. It is NOT law abiding gun owners' fault that those communities are silent about the ever popular urban gangsta culture and its destructive results.

Enough with excuses.

@jayinflorida. Jay-man, you may be onto something. Bill Cosby, who is a prior Navy Corpsman and has an EARNED doctorate in education (EdD) worked with Dr. Alvin Poussaint, a psychiatrist who collaborated with him on positive messages and role-models for the Cosby Show, co-authored a book called "Come On People: On the Path from Victims to Victors" [Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson Publishing, 2011]. They caught all kinds of HELL from the African American community for pointing out that you can't build a society on dehumanizing and misogynistic RAP, on 70-75% out-of-wedlock births, gangs and fourth-generation government handouts.

Parents matter. FATHERS being there matters. Church and community involvement matter. Government can help but it tends to make sweeping laws and propaganda that only serves to promote the careers of the politician or bureaucrat making the law or statement. Government needs to allow individuals and churches and communities to help where it cannot. Gun laws don't matter to sociopaths and wannabes who have to kill someone to prove their manhood. MEN need to step up, man-up and be there for their wives and their children. Government doesn't make a very healthy sugar-daddy. Gang-bangers, to borrow a preachy church-word, need to REPENT or turn away from a life that can only lead to bitterness and a life that is "solitary, poore, nasty, brutish and short." What other alternative is there?

DUPLICATE POST--ORIGNAL GOT ZAPPED BY SOMETHING OR SOMEONE... Oops, there it is. I LOVE computers...

Silent??? Have you gone into the blk community, listened or read blk media in reference to the gun violence? If you had you'd know the blk community has complained about this for years. Its the wht media who only focus's on the violence and not the victims and its affect on the community.

@Russian Enigma - The "black community" in Jersey City NJ just had an anti-gun rally last week. We have been complaining about this for many years. But apparently no one is hearing us. I am a teacher and unfortunately I cannot count on 2 hands the number of my students that have been killed due to gun violence since I began my career in 1999. No one wants to take guns from responsible gun owners. We want to make sure that your guns stay in your hands and not end up in our streets in the hands of irresponsible, logically flawed thugs. People from other areas are buying these guns legally to be sold on the streets of our inner cities. It's a money making business for some. This is what needs to stop. Stop trafficking guns into the inner city!

Dude take down that picture. Im going to buy a gun

The point is that criminals will do whatever they want/need to do whether it is legal or not. We've got lots of drug control laws but yet illegal drugs aren't hard to come by. Some guns are stolen, some are purchased legally by someone with a clean record, some are purchased on the black market. Not every gang member has their own personal gun, but they help each other acquire one when someone 'needs' it.

Like alcohol and drugs, attempting to ban them does little good. What does do good is working on measures that dry up the demand. How and why are so many kids attracted to the 'gangster' life and how do we educate, punish, whatever in order to minimize the number that join gangs.

Sorry folks you may not like this fact.

question 1 who is buried in grants tomb.

question 2 who is right in what he just posted----jt1364

JT1364, there's a place in the world that's completely devoid of liberal, socialistic communistic sacks of sh** where you could go to live and get away from it all. It's called Antarctica, and this progressive and millions of others would like nothing better than to see you and your like-minded cohorts trundle on down there, set up shop, stay there, and shoot at each other for fun all day. Trust me, our opinion of folks like you isn't any better than your opinion of folks like us. Check it out, man! I think it could be the place for you!

JT1364 is obviously a fan of Adolf Hitler with all his talk of extermination. Good thing these boards are not being monitored...

Wow, does 1364 represent the number of grammar errors in your response? I must be painful for you to think...

Another "pro life" conservative who once again proves that if they disagree with your opinion, then you're the stupid one who deserves to die, forget that crap about the "freedom of speech" in the constitution, the "pursuit of happiness", the "all men are created equal" stuff. You know, those who run around weeping and wailing about "tyrannical governments" and then say their way is the only way and anyone else who disagrees should be put to death. Yeah, JT and walljasper, you did your yokels proud. But mostly, you make us realize that mental health laws really do need improving.