Fort Hood soldier admits shooting friend while trying to cure hiccups

Killeen Police Department

Patrick Edward Myers

A Fort Hood soldier pleaded guilty Thursday to involuntary manslaughter -- admitting he accidentally shot his friend while trying to scare away the hiccups. 

Spc. Patrick Edward Myers, of Spartanburg, S.C., was sentenced to 3 1/2 years in military prison for fatally shooting 22-year-old Pfc. Isaac Lawrence Young, of Ash Grove, Mo., in the face in September while they were watching a football game at an apartment in Killeen, Texas. 

Myers was also busted to private and will receive a bad-conduct discharge, the Associated Press reported.


Police said three men were inside the apartment on Sunday, Sept. 23, watching a football game and drinking alcohol when one of the men produced a handgun, handled it in an "unsafe manner," and shot the victim in the face.

An arrest affidavit obtained by the Associated Press in September said Myers apparently pointed a gun at the victim's head to scare him and stop the hiccups.

Myers said he thought the gun had dummy rounds when it was discharged. 

The case was tried in military court on the Central Texas Army post because the both victim and suspect were soldiers. Myers has been in the Bell County Jail on a $1 million bond. 

 

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Cured em didnt he?...so whats the beef?

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#1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:09 AM EST

That one's going to be hard to beat. Maybe he didn't have a paper bag to blow in?

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#1.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:13 AM EST

This would have qualified for the Darwin award but the wrong one died.

  • 51 votes
#1.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:17 AM EST

Surprised they didn't use the " loud sound " approach,.... as in grenades.

  • 11 votes
#1.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:18 AM EST

3 1/2 years and a bad conduct discharge? are you effing serious? He KILLED a 22 year old young man. Accident or not, that's bull @!$%#!

  • 78 votes
#1.4 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:58 AM EST

Blake, I was thinking the same thing. The two prison inmates who saved the drowning kids reportedly have about 4 more years left on a sentence for a "NON VIOLENT" crime. Yet, the man in this story shot (in the face) and kill his roommate yet only receive 3 1/2 years. I do understand that we are talking about military vs. non-military justice; but still, the differences in punishment is hard to accept.

  • 35 votes
#1.5 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:18 PM EST

It was the Alcohol involved that is to be blamed on both sides of this incident. If alcohol were banned and they were eating chicken wings with Pepsi none of this would have ever happened.

The hero inmates were probably busted with Weed which is considered such a terrible crime by this government. Lets those guys get a hall pass and this a-hole needs at least 10-25........

  • 22 votes
#1.6 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:33 PM EST
Comment author avatarsam adamsExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

If alcohol were banned and they were eating chicken wings with Pepsi none of this would have ever happened.

Yeah, the gun had nothing to do with it. Keep sticking your head in the sand.

If he were holding a knife or a baseball bat, would the guy be dead?

  • 26 votes
#1.7 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:23 PM EST

WTF, you couldn't find a grenade?

  • 6 votes
#1.8 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:52 PM EST

well, I guess it pays to be in the military when you choose to kill another human being.

oh i know, he didnt MEAN to...just like all those drunk drivers the gun-nuts have been telling us about, who are more responsible for more deaths.

dont blame the alcohol, it didnt kill anyone...it's just alcohol.

  • 20 votes
#1.9 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:08 PM EST

Google in the am, how many people were killed tonight, Friday Feb 1st, just by drunk drivers. You can add in the random gang shooting, spouse abuse, stabbings, and suicides later.....be safe out there.

  • 9 votes
#1.10 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:32 PM EST

Alcohol and guns don't kill people, people drinking alcohol with access to guns kill people.

  • 33 votes
#1.11 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:40 PM EST

Stupidity and foolishness was to blame in this incident,not the gun.There is no way all the stupity and foolishness can be banned either.This is learn only once lesson.

  • 11 votes
#1.12 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:11 PM EST

This is why we use them to stop bullets for us..

  • 2 votes
#1.13 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:13 PM EST

Jessica and Jim W.Obviously you know nothing about the military.You should stick to the Xbox 360 and leave the military to Soldiers,Marines,Sailers and Airmen.

  • 15 votes
#1.14 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:13 PM EST

One of the first things you learn in gun-safety classes...don't point a gun at anyone unless you intend on killing them!

  • 35 votes
#1.15 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:19 PM EST
Comment author avatarStumblin'inExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

If guns don't kill people, people kill people - then he didn't kill his friend with a gun, he shot him in the face out of love.

Rockets don't transport astronauts to the moon, rocket scientists transport astronauts to the moon. I'm beginning to understand. So difficult. So very, very difficult.

I also thought of a gun safety promotion: a snub-nosed 38 with every grocer purchase over $100.00, also the state patrol could give out a revolver with every child-safety seat inspection. Wake up, America!

  • 15 votes
#1.16 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:21 PM EST

IA.ScooterTramp, You shouldn't even be allowed to post! Your sense of humor is appalling. Your sense of decency and respect......oh, wait a minute.......you don't have any.

  • 7 votes
#1.17 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:21 PM EST

@ Blake

I agree. That's a very lenient sentence.

But, I also remember a guy who killed 4 or 5 migrant workers somewhere out west and the dude got 9 years total.

Sad state of affairs.

  • 5 votes
#1.18 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:31 PM EST

You people blaming guns for everything! What ever happened to personal accountability? Always trying to blame something else! You people make me sick!

Oh and if you are offended when I say "you people", I'm talking about you.

  • 11 votes
#1.19 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:32 PM EST

I understand the right to own firearms

but when i was a bartender in KY there was a bill about to go up for a vote right around the time i stopped bartending that would allow people to carry firearms into bars.

WTF, as if we didn't already have enough problems. People will start the night with"i will take my gun but i wont drink or will just have one". Three hours later and smashed, the same person will get in a fight over who gets to buy the "pretty" girl a drink (or some similar nonsense) and now instead of a fight we get a shooting. I saw a similar senario with designated drivers who end up having to call a cab for everyone.

Guns and alcohol do not mix. Just like driving drunk, people who make good choices when sober often make horrible choices when drunk

  • 19 votes
#1.20 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:40 PM EST
Comment author avatarjimreaperExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

sam adams-If he were holding a knife or a baseball bat, would the guy be dead?

If it was you, it would be real tempting, ass-bag.

  • 9 votes
#1.21 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:42 PM EST

Myers' story has changed so much since the incident first occured, maybe he really was trying to scare the hiccups out of him, I dont know. What I do know is that if a civilian suspect in a murder case changed his story so much, they would be sentenced to much more than 3 years. Can't imagine how terrible it must be to survive everything overseas with your friends and then have this tragedy occur back home, my thoughts go out to everyone involved.

  • 7 votes
#1.22 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:44 PM EST

No offense but why didn't he just use a spoonful of sugar to get rid of the hiccups? That works better than a bullet.

  • 5 votes
#1.23 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:49 PM EST

jimreaper - So because someone else used basic logic in an argument you disagree with, you are tempted to murder them.

...Oh, but there's nothing wrong with people against gun control, they aren't crazy at all!

  • 4 votes
#1.24 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:56 PM EST

ban hic-ups...

  • 5 votes
#1.25 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:57 PM EST

"

Blake-2644321

"3 1/2 years and a bad conduct discharge? are you effing serious? He KILLED a 22 year old young man. Accident or not, that's bull @!$%#!"

That's nothing Blake, Bush and Obama have killed over 9000 just like him just so us glutinous Americans can have cheap gas.

  • 7 votes
#1.26 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:03 PM EST

Just another reason why marijuana shouldn't be legalized.

  • 5 votes
#1.27 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:05 PM EST

Just another reason not to own a gun!

  • 4 votes
#1.28 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:06 PM EST

That's nothing Blake, Bush and Obama have killed over 9000 just like him just so us glutinous Americans can have cheap gas.

Maybe they aren't killing enough...gas is still too expensive.

  • 11 votes
#1.29 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:06 PM EST

I'm surprised the president didn't use his executive order to ban firearms from the military. There now I've said it, and your right that statement makes no sense, just as banning any assault type weapon, any handgun,any high capacity clips, or instating any more background checks or any other gun control measures makes no sense. anytime more gun control legislation gets past we come one step closer to being a nation of tax slaves to the government ! Right now how many months do you work just to pay your taxes. just think what it would be if government didn't have to think about armed taxpayers & the constitution!! And their trying to destroy the constitution by any means possible & mostly illegally I might add! WAKE UP AMERICAN CITIZEN TAXPAYER BEFORE UNCLE SAM GETS YOUR WHOLE PAYCHECK EVERY PAY PERIOD & THEN SENDS YOU ONLY WHAT THEY BELIEVE YOU NEED TO EXIST!!!

  • 6 votes
#1.30 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:14 PM EST

I'm guessing this guy read the Dick Cheney book of gun safety. Not a good idea!

  • 14 votes
#1.31 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:16 PM EST

Why didn't Dick Cheney think of that excuse?

  • 3 votes
#1.32 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:18 PM EST

well i bett he feels really bad for killing his friend over horseplay with a loaded weapon i alsough think he should serve more time after all it was a horseplay accident

just a nother reason dere shoild be a statevide ban on guns period.

  • 1 vote
#1.33 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:29 PM EST

Sam Adams are you telling me that if I was drunk and decided to swing a ball bat/knife at your head and "stop just in time" that you would OK?

I'm drunk and not totally in control and;

Oops, I thought I could stop that bat before it crushed your school and killed you!

Oops I did not mean to run my 5" tanto through your eye and into your brain.

Good thing I did not use the gun you can just walk either one of those two off!

That is a prime example of your flawed logic working for you.

  • 5 votes
#1.34 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:40 PM EST
Comment author avatarJeanne Donaldsonvia Facebook

Gearhead is one paraniod dude! Now HE is the one to be scared of..thinking the government is "trying to destroy the constitution by any means possible". Holding on to his guns and ammo the whole time no doubt with plans to "defend " himself in the event his mailman " threatens" him. One of his kind is literally holed up in a bunker in Alabama with a five year old child right now. He too is rabidly anti-government. Where they get these fantacies is a mystery and somehow very sad. They can't be very happy people and they pose a danger to themselves and expecially others. Also they should be the LAST people to be in possession of high powered guns, seems as though they are itching to use them.

  • 8 votes
#1.35 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:53 PM EST

Ok what ever happened to sneaking up behind someone an yelling BOO really loud so they jump??? Last time I checked that still worked!! Or better yet why not tell him to drink a glass of water or hold his breath??? Really 3 1/2 yrs...Wow...that is soooooo sad

  • 4 votes
#1.36 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:54 PM EST

Darn auto correct turned "skull into school" :)

  • 1 vote
#1.37 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:08 PM EST

3 1/2 years? Maybe it truly was an accident, but he should have gotten more than that just for being a soldier and not knowing how to safely handle his weapon. I have been taught to NEVER point a gun at anyone, loaded or unloaded, unless I intend to shoot them, shoot to kill! Soldiers should know that it is a no-no to play with guns. Damn, he should have known better!

  • 4 votes
#1.38 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:09 PM EST

Some here are making light and some are complaining about the punishment, what most don't understand is he'll probably do time in a red line federal prison where there are no tv's or other luxuries a place where your entire existence is dictated to you.

Furthermore, he killed a friend, there was no intent, and the memory of this will haunt him for the rest of his life. Now consider his life out side the military, try getting a job in this economy with a dishonorable discharge and having served time in a federal penitentiary.

May God bless you young man for serving our country, I'm sorry for your loss and I wish you well.

  • 3 votes
#1.39 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:11 PM EST

Not that I'm (or was) a Big fan of Dick Cheney's, but if you read the whole report, the other guy walked directly in front of Cheney as he came to point and shoot...

  • 1 vote
#1.40 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:41 PM EST

Deltart-jimreaper - So because someone else used basic logic in an argument you disagree with, you are tempted to murder them.

One of the many differences between sane people and you is that sane people recognize that I wasn't really serious about hurting anyone. Tough to understand for you so I typed it slowly.

  • 1 vote
#1.41 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:55 PM EST

The soldier who shot his friend was obviously a dumbazz, who had no business with a loaded weapon.

CBurroughs Where did you get that account from? Just curious, because I read the man was hunting (with permission) in woods..... and Cheney decided to go hunting on adjoining property (with no license) and mistook the man for a deer.

  • 2 votes
#1.42 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:58 PM EST

Now we need to ban weapons in the military concidering the quality of idiots they have. Strange how people raise all kinds of hell over a shooting on the street or somewhere else but all the jokers are on here making smart ass remarks about this. Guess it's ok if you're sitting around on your ass watching some stupid game on TV. The cops and military don't need weapons if the rest of us don't.

  • 1 vote
#1.43 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 6:08 PM EST

Well, it is obviously the army's fault. If the soldiers had been trained properly, they would have known that all guns are loaded, my kids have known that since they were five.

  • 2 votes
#1.44 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 6:13 PM EST

@ Nigthmare69, how does one make so many spelling errors in three lines of text; especially when one considers that a spell check program is provided.

Where does one begin, per your thread, this is "just a nother reason dere shoid be a statevide ban on guns period."

These men were in the military you maroon, a so called "...statevide ban..." would not pertain to them on a federal military base, nor would a federal one! This is a prime example of how well our free public education system is working. He probably gets to vote too! Hence when everything goes to heck in a hand bag this maroon will be pounding on my door insisting on a hand out with his ilk. You can be sure I'll keep my side arm and my AR at the ready for them when they come a calling!

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#1.45 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 6:16 PM EST

Gearhead, stop drinking Tea and READ the CONSTITUTION.

All you rootin tootin gun toters out there: NOBODY IS BANNING YOUR PISTOL, OR YOUR SHOTGUN, OR YOUR HUNTING RIFLE, OR REGULAR SIZED AMMO CLIPS, OR YOUR RIGHT TO HAVE A CONCEALED CARRY PERMIT.

Stop whining about your weak strawman slippery slope argument and THINK.

    #1.46 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 6:30 PM EST

    @ Jessica with numbers, so I'm sensing that your a weapons ban advocate and you probably find that the cars kill people argument as not related in any way.

    Here's some food for thought in this regard, what you're proposing is greater gun regulation. I cannot think of any other thing that is more regulated that the automobile and the privilege, not the Right, of driving one. Legally, one must first pass a written, an eye, and in some instances a full physical examination to attain a drivers license that is specific to the type and purpose of the vehicle that is to be driven, one must only drive a vehicle that has license plates, has passed a pollution screening, is currently registered to be driven on the streets, and lastly one must also posses adequate insurance.

    The truth of the matter, and my point, is that absolutely none of the above has ever stopped anyone from driving an automobile illegally; they are often able to do so until they are caught regardless of the reason. As a consequence a far greater number of people are injured or killed; where's your so called outrage and indignation in this regard.

    I'd bet that you'd be screaming the loudest if the government was proposing to eliminate your choice of car, thus restricting and further regulating or even eliminating your driving privilege all together. Chances are you'd keep on doing whatever you wanted to do, even if it were illegally.

    You're advocating the infringement of a Constitutional Right so you can somehow feel safer; sadly for you it will not.

      #1.47 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 7:06 PM EST

      3 1/2 years and a bad conduct discharge? are you effing serious? He KILLED a 22 year old young man. Accident or not, that's bull @!$%#!

      Taking into account the stupidity factor, that is a case of involuntary manslaughter. The shooter did not intend to harm or kill the slain man, but he did behave in a reckless [and stupid] manner, which directly led to the victim's fatal injury.

      If I ran a stop sign and caused a fatal accident, I would probably face a similar charge, or if cut down a tree in my yard and it fell on a neighbor, inflicting fatal injuries.=

      I admit that 3.5 years seems a light punishment, but I don't know what the usual or average time meted out for such crimes.

      Do you?

        #1.48 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 10:00 AM EST

        The truth of the matter, and my point, is that absolutely none of the above has ever stopped anyone from driving an automobile illegally; they are often able to do so until they are caught regardless of the reason.

        Citizen Frank - The first fallacy I see with your reasoning is that cars are a virtual necessity for modern life in America. Most U.S. citizens simply could not exist without access to the quick, decentralized transportation it provides. By contrast, guns are not a necessity for most Americans. I've lived my whole life without one, and I've known but one person who ever came close to needing one.

        The second fallacy, is that guns are so available to criminals because there are so many of them in our society. The gun used in a liquor store hold up, or to gun down 1 or more co-workers, or 20 or more children at elementary school, may not have been obtained illegally, but the odds are it was manufactured legally, and initially sold legally. The very fact that there are so many guns in our society virtually guarantees that any criminal, or any criminally insane person can obtain one with ease.

        The answer of the gun lobby? We need more guns. We need armed citizens. We need armed guards and teachers in our schools. If that doesn't work, then I'm sure the argument will be that we all need assault weapons, with large capacity magazines, and I shudder to think what will come after that.

        No, I don't buy it.

        The Second Amendment says what it says, and it should neither be ignored, or redefined out of existence. But, the day when this country needed local militias based upon an armed citizenry is more than a century gone. The Second Amendment should be repealed, or amended to allow sane gun laws. This is politically impossible, I know. But that is a regrettable fact, not a positive protection for our society.

          #1.49 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 10:14 AM EST

          There is a good example of RHIP. The enlisted man's trial came in a rush-- and he only killed ONE man-- and he got 3 1/2 years. Yet that dammed officer, the major who shot and killed 13 and wounded many others, is still free. Granted he is in jail but he is free, getting his major's salary-- and getting three hots and a cot. And since he is wheelchair bound he is getting waited on 24/7. That is a waste of our money! And he'll probablt get all his veterans benefits. He's just a worthless piece of @!$%# and should have been shot at the scene. But then the one who killed him would have been @!$%#-canned-- even tho that person was protecting other soldiers.

          There is a big difference between the way they handle enlisted personnel and officers, especially those who claim they are Muslim.

            #1.50 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 2:56 PM EST

            Yet that dammed officer, the major who shot and killed 13 and wounded many others, is still free. Granted he is in jail but he is free, getting his major's salary-- and getting three hots and a cot.

            Free, but in jail? ...and he gets a free cot and 3 hot meals a day.

            I wonder, susie, if you understand such concepts as "free" and "jail". I wonder too what you think happens to convicted criminals. Do you suppose that they sleep on a concrete floor and are fed bread and water?

              #1.51 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 10:37 PM EST
              Reply

              Myers said he thought the gun had dummy rounds when it was discharged.

              Rounds ....No

              Person applying trigger pressure ...yes.

              • 34 votes
              Reply#2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:12 AM EST

              That sentence caught my eye too.

              What person walks around with blanks in their gun?

              • 12 votes
              #2.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:07 PM EST

              GA Stonepipe and Scooter.

              Scuba Steve

              What person walks around with blanks in their gun?

              those that have a vesectomy, perhaps!

              This is my rifle, this is my gun... (from Full Metal Jacket)

              • 14 votes
              #2.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:20 PM EST

              What person, especially one who is supposed to be trained in handling guns, points a gun at anyone's head, regardless of whether it's loaded or not, has real rounds or not? That's just stupid and careless. You NEVER point a gun at someone unless you are planning to use it...and not to scare the hiccups out of someone. Idiot!

              • 25 votes
              #2.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:37 PM EST

              Alcohol, guns and testosterone. Never a good combination. It was foolish and fatal and I believe a terrible, unnecessary accident. The guy screwed up but did not want his buddy dead. Sad.

              • 11 votes
              #2.4 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:41 PM EST

              Jack,

              Lol. I knew someone was going to make that joke as soon as I typed my comment.

              • 4 votes
              #2.5 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:46 PM EST

              This is my rifle, this is my gun...

              This is for fighting this is for fun

              Unfortunately nobody had fun that day

              • 6 votes
              #2.6 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:36 PM EST

              No dummy rounds, just a 'dummy' who pulled the trigger.

              • 10 votes
              #2.7 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:14 PM EST

              Even in in a training environment using blanks you are not supposed to fire your weapon that close to another soldier.The command preashes SAFETY,SAFETY,SAFETY all the time.If i had a dollar for every safety briefing i have ever recieved or given i would own my own little island in the Caribbean by now.

              • 12 votes
              #2.8 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:22 PM EST

              What person, especially one who is supposed to be trained in handling guns, points a gun at anyone's head, regardless of whether it's loaded or not, has real rounds or not? That's just stupid and careless. You NEVER point a gun at someone unless you are planning to use it

              Ha. One of the two times I've been negligently swept with a muzzle was by an Army Captain (who insisted it was OK, "because it doesn't have a round in the chamber").

              • 4 votes
              #2.9 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:39 PM EST

              Even if the gun had blanks in it they can be deadly. I remember an incident with a little known actor some years ago who was on a movie set and he put the gun with blanks to his head, pretending to kill himself, pulled the trigger and DID kill himself. I don't know a lot about guns and ammo but I do know that for blanks to simulate an actual bullet they need enough "oomph" to make them seem real. That "oomph," at close range can certainly kill.

              So either way, blanks or live ammo, I think this guy would have been dead. Soldiers have training in the proper use of firearms and this guy, the shooter, knew better but probably just didn't think it could happen to him. That said, the sentence does seem pretty light and I live in California where men who kill their girlfriend's babies get about the same sentence.

              • 3 votes
              #2.10 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:56 PM EST

              20 years in the military and I saw plenty of "unloaded" guns blow holes in tables, walls and floors while being handled by careless people.

              • 8 votes
              #2.11 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:11 PM EST

              Agreed MsKat. This guy was a fool of the highest order and should be getting a harsher penalty then what he is. You NEVER point a gun at someone unless you intend to fire, assuming it's either unloaded or has blanks is negligence but aiming it at someone is much worse. Even a novice should know never to point a gun at someone unless you intend to cause damage, the fact that he was trained in proper gun handling and still did this makes his crime that much worse.

              • 4 votes
              #2.12 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:48 PM EST

              Yes, true blanks normally have some sort to increase pressure from the powder load, either using a glued-in wad on top of the powder or crimping the case mouth shut so the charge has to build up to expand it - hence the bang. More likely he was talking about snapo caps, which load in place of cartridges so you can dry-fire the gun without damaging it. No matter what, the guy who pulled the trigger has to do over three years in a Federal pen, and then has the bad discharge and record hanging over his head the rest of his life. Not an easy punishment in any case. The term sounds short to me, though... civilian manslaughter terms average about twice that, but in a federal pen, I don't think they have "good time" sentence reductions. No matter what, he screwed up royally and deserves the sentence.

              (The actor who was accidentally killed by a blank - I think Brandon Lee was similar to this case, when a live round was left in the gun. Wasn't it the guy from "Alias Smith and Jones"?)

              • 3 votes
              #2.13 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:43 PM EST

              The military is to blame too. Who do you think soldiers train agenst? Each other, using blanks. In my time in service I've had to smoke a few dumbasses that got careless with their rifles while it was loaded with blanks. After a while of shooting at your buddies with blanks, some people feel its a game "Its safe, the Military lets me shoot at my buddies with blanks". Their range OCs and NCOs need better training, if hiccups is what it was really about.

              It may seem odd to a civilian, but yes, blanks are quite common in military use. And in all likely hood the soldier might have really been using blanks. An AK I once kept in the armory was used by OPfor, not only did the armor re-blue it for me, all my mags I kept with it was full of blanks.

              Blanks or not, he was still a dumbass for pointing it anyone.

                #2.14 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 6:26 PM EST
                Reply

                If there was only a cure for stupidity......How very sad. Do not hang out with stupid people. You could end up dead.

                • 11 votes
                Reply#3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:14 AM EST

                How true, It is said 1 in 4 have a mental problem's, now think of your three best friends.. if they seam ok...guess what.

                • 19 votes
                #3.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:20 AM EST

                For some dopes (whee ha!), guns make neat paperweights, and bottle openers, and baby pacifiers, and nut crackers, and hiccup stoppers, and....

                • 8 votes
                #3.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:06 PM EST

                For some dopes (whee ha!), guns make neat paperweights, and bottle openers, and baby pacifiers, and nut crackers, and hiccup stoppers, and....

                Exactly. They are only harmless tools. What could go wrong?

                • 6 votes
                #3.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:24 PM EST

                Exactly. They are only harmless tools. What could go wrong?

                Some idiot could pick one up and then make a seriously stupid decision as to what he should do with it.

                • 5 votes
                #3.4 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:17 PM EST

                I do not understand why everytime something happens it turns into how awful guns are!! yes this was a horrible thing to have happened but what about all the good that come from guns??

                • 2 votes
                #3.5 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:23 PM EST

                a gun is only as good or as bad as the person pulling the trigger

                • 2 votes
                #3.6 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:47 PM EST

                You can fix a lot of things, but you can fix "stupid."

                • 2 votes
                #3.7 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:01 PM EST

                What good?

                • 4 votes
                #3.8 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:11 PM EST
                Comment author avatarCatherine Heavnervia Facebook

                first, i dont believe this man meant to hurt let alone kill his buddy, second we All need to fight for our constitutional right, sure its guns THIS time but whats next, lets face it accidents happen, not that i dont think he was acting responsibly, but he has to live with it for the rest of his life. what happens when the the gov. wants to tell you where to go to church, then you will look to those WITH guns to protect your rights

                  #3.9 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:51 PM EST

                  Good that's come from guns? Seriously? What the hell?

                  • 5 votes
                  #3.10 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:05 PM EST

                  first, i dont believe this man meant to hurt let alone kill his buddy, second we All need to fight for our constitutional right, sure its guns THIS time but whats next, lets face it accidents happen, not that i dont think he was acting responsibly, but he has to live with it for the rest of his life. what happens when the the gov. wants to tell you where to go to church, then you will look to those WITH guns to protect your by Catherine Heavner

                  so true.....we should have to register and pay a fee every year like we do with cars and boats etc...maybe then we would keep guns out of the hands of idiots......

                  • 1 vote
                  #3.11 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:20 PM EST

                  Dear Catherine,

                  You are probably a very nice person but you are INSANE. "Accidents Happen" ??? Seriously? This kind of accident only happens to really really really stupid people. Did you actually write "Accidents Happen"? He did not accidentally point the gun at his friends head. It's not like he tripped and fell with a loaded gun in his hand (which also would have been stupid, but not AS stupid). He pointed the gun at his friends head and pulled the trigger. That's not an accident. That's willful negligence.

                  ALL GUNS ARE LOADED!

                  • 7 votes
                  #3.12 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:24 PM EST
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                  game and drinking alcohol when one of the men produced a handgun, handled it in an "unsafe manner," and shot the victim in the face.

                  Lesson number one to all all you guys planning on attending a Superbowl party this weekend.

                  There's a BIG difference in feeling "Bullet Proof ", and actually being so.

                  • 12 votes
                  Reply#4 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:16 AM EST

                  When I nod my head, you shoot it..
                  Hey guys, watch this..
                  Chitty chitty..
                  1 tequila 2 tequila 3 tequila BANG...
                  Eat lead mofo...
                  This is my rifle, this is my gun one is for fighting one is for fun...
                  "All I did your honor was point the gun like this and BANG, oh sh!t I did it again"
                  I guess he wasn't a Superman..

                  • 3 votes
                  #4.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:23 AM EST
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                  Comment author avatarCayeresExpand Comment Comment collapsed by the community

                  People who like guns are not too bright.

                  • 11 votes
                  Reply#5 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:17 AM EST

                  That was not very nice. You hurt my feelings.

                  • 9 votes
                  #5.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:18 AM EST

                  Ladies and Gentleman i present to you Cayeres....

                  Cayeres

                  People who like guns are not too bright.

                  As Perfect an example of a low wattage problem As you are ever likely to find.

                  • 15 votes
                  #5.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:26 AM EST

                  that was a stupid response, scooter that is

                  • 5 votes
                  #5.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:49 PM EST

                  IA - thank you for your post

                  • 3 votes
                  #5.4 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:50 PM EST

                  People who say people who likes guns are not to bright need to be shot by people who like guns. Hey, Cayeres, blow me you homo.

                    #5.5 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:59 PM EST

                    I'm thinking you're not too bright either, falcon. Grow up.

                    • 5 votes
                    #5.6 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:12 PM EST

                    At least stonepipe made a point AND was funny! A great example of not feeling the need to be a di*k when disagreeing with another poster.

                    • 1 vote
                    #5.7 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:22 PM EST
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                    Even blanks kill. Remember when that model turned actor 20? years ago shot himself in the head? And isn't that how Brandon Lee died? Shot with a blank? Lot's of pressure in blanks.

                    • 18 votes
                    Reply#6 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:17 AM EST

                    Yes and yes, although Lee was killed by a wad that was loged in the barrel from a previous take. It acted like a projectile, so I have been told.

                    • 5 votes
                    #6.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:25 AM EST

                    Jon-Erik Hexum (January 5, 1957 – October 18, 1984) was an American model and actor. He died as a result of an accidental self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head on the set of the CBS television series Cover Up in which he played the male lead.

                    • 5 votes
                    #6.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:31 AM EST

                    Brandon Lee died of a fatal gunshot wound on March 31, 1993 after an accidental shooting on set of The Crow. During filming, a blank cartridge was fired from a gun barrel in which a bullet of a real cartridge was lodged. The bullet struck Lee. He was rushed to the New Hanover Regional Medical Center in Wilmington, NC where he underwent 6 hours of surgery. However, attempts to save him were unsuccessful, and Lee was pronounced dead at 1:03pm on March 31, 1993 at 28 years old. The shooting was ruled an accident.

                    In the scene in which Lee was shot, Lee’s character walks into his apartment and discovers his fiancée being beaten and raped by thugs. Actor Michael Massee's character fires a handgun at Lee as he walks into the room.[5] Proper blank cartridges were used during the fatal scene, however due to a mix up during earlier filming of gun close ups, a bullet had become lodged in the barrel without anyone noticing. Dummy cartridges had been improperly prepared and then accidentally fired, the primer charge driving the bullet part-way into the barrel, resulting in a squib load. In the fatal scene the explosive charge of the blank propelled the bullet lodged in the barrel as if the gun had been loaded with a live round, resulting in the fatal accident.[6]

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:33 AM EST

                    Thanks! I have a great memory it's just not very long. (keep your smart remarks to yourselves please)

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.4 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:40 AM EST

                    Jon-Erik Hexum was playing Russian roulette when he killed himself.

                    • 2 votes
                    #6.5 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:12 PM EST

                    sounds like a story to cover up a murder

                      #6.6 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:46 PM EST
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                      Appearantly, the military is the place to be if you want to get drunk and accidentally shoot someone in the face and murder them - 3.5 years, busted to private and dishonorable discharge? That's it?

                      Plus the hilarious disaster with the Ft. Hood trial - I'm not shaving, yes you are, no I'm not, ok, you're not.

                      • 4 votes
                      Reply#7 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:29 AM EST

                      Actually, it's only a Bad Conduct Discharge. It's not -quite- as bad as a Dishonorable Discharge. So he even got off lighter than a DD.

                      For example, if you have a DD, you can't ever own a gun. With a BCD, you can. A bit of an ironic fact in this specific case.

                      • 5 votes
                      #7.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:25 PM EST

                      I read the article, I believe it said Dishonorable Discharge. Also, even if he does the fed prison time, gets the DD, is jammed back down to the rank of private, he loses all his veteran bennies for the rest of his life. He is going to have mental problems that will not be insured by the Vets nor any private insurance co., of course, he will probably have to go to ObamaCare which should be in full force by the time he gets out of prison. Then who is going to want to hire him for a job? He will more than likely be homeless, and if he doesn't commit suicide due to his mental illness, he will be considered a threat of some kind.

                      I'm surprised that he passed a military physical and all the testing they do when they induct soldiers.

                        #7.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 6:52 PM EST
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                        Evidently that "dummy" round was the smartest one in the group.

                        • 7 votes
                        Reply#8 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:29 AM EST

                        It was after all an extremely effective "Group Cure" . You can bet yer a$$ NOBODY in that group will ever hiccup again, at least not around others.

                        • 6 votes
                        Reply#9 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:32 AM EST

                        WOW you just can't fix stupid can you?

                        • 7 votes
                        Reply#10 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:36 AM EST

                        So, does anyone know what military prison is like? I'm guessing it's like the Ritz compared to regular state prisons... Thoughts?

                        • 2 votes
                        Reply#11 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 11:44 AM EST

                        I wonder if 'Dont ask.Don't tell' applies in military prisons as well.

                        • 3 votes
                        #11.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:04 PM EST

                        Don't ask, don't tell doesn't apply anywhere in the military anymore.

                        • 4 votes
                        #11.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:14 PM EST

                        enough-bunchanumbers

                        ya missed it ....a rare joke from wisconsin dad ...and ya missed it.

                        • 4 votes
                        #11.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:06 PM EST

                        I wonder if 'shooting him in the face' is a euphamism....

                          #11.4 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:10 PM EST

                          Scoot, love the bunchanumbers

                          • 1 vote
                          #11.5 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:11 PM EST

                          Since his sentence is less than 5 years, he won't be going to the "hard core" section of Ft Leavenworth. He will be at a medium security facility. It won't be nice, but about the same as any prison.

                          It was a stupid thing to do, but I'm sure he feels horrible for killing his buddy. For those of you who have never served in the military, you're buddies become your family, and you are ready to lay your life down for them at any time. This whole thing is a senseless tragedy that could have been avoided with just a little tiny sliver of common sense.

                          But Scooter was right, hiccups cured.

                          • 3 votes
                          #11.6 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:04 PM EST

                          For him, it will be just like boot camp that lasts for several years. You are heavily supervised 24hrs a day, have physical training and classes during daylight hours and have recreation in the evening. The guards, however, are usually lower ranking 18 & 19 year olds with little-big man complexes.

                            #11.7 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:47 PM EST
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                            Will probably apply for ptsd benefits while incarcerated. Come out of there with a pretty nice check if approved.

                            • 1 vote
                            Reply#12 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:28 PM EST

                            you have to have an honorable discharge to receive VA benefits, a BCD is known as other than honorable discharge.

                            • 2 votes
                            #12.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 3:50 PM EST
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                            ban soldiers from having guns.....had to be said...sorry

                            • 4 votes
                            Reply#13 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:33 PM EST

                            Ah mike, thanks for being you. I mean, without people like you, we wouldn't have tards and we need tards like we need a boil on our A$$e$. Thanks for being the different kid, after all, we need somebody to feel sorry for.

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:10 PM EST
                            Comment author avatarCatherine Heavnervia Facebook

                            while we are at it mike lets ban preachers from church as well

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:08 PM EST

                            falcon33, massive fail in the clever repartee dept. You're obviously self taught regarding A$$ boils. I urge you to stop spending so much time in front of the locker room mirror and get back to class. It may seem like a long way off, but you're going to need those credits to graduate one day. You're also going to discover as you mature, that calling someone a "tard" is a clear give away of your own lack of social development. It says nothing about those you're trying to insult, but speaks volumes of you and your own personal "issues". At this point in time, you appear to be the "different kid". But that's ok little buddy, a few years from now, with a lot of effort on your part, you'll develop enough self esteem that you will no longer feel the need to be a classroom bully.

                            • 1 vote
                            #13.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:24 PM EST
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                            "I was a responsible gun owner, until the day I wasn't"

                            So much for well trained...maybe we should focus on the "well regulated" part instead

                            • 11 votes
                            Reply#14 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:35 PM EST

                            I was a lib....until i discovered a brain.

                            So much for stupidity, maybe we should focus on drafting anti gun nuts and see if it gives them a new perspective.

                            • 4 votes
                            #14.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:19 PM EST

                            The following are taken from the Oxford English Dictionary, and bracket in time the writing of the 2nd amendment:

                            1709: "If a liberal Education has formed in us well-regulated Appetites and worthy Inclinations."

                            1714: "The practice of all well-regulated courts of justice in the world."

                            1812: "The equation of time ... is the adjustment of the difference of time as shown by a well-regulated clock and a true sun dial."

                            1848: "A remissness for which I am sure every well-regulated person will blame the Mayor."

                            1862: "It appeared to her well-regulated mind, like a clandestine proceeding."

                            1894: "The newspaper, a never wanting adjunct to every well-regulated American embryo city."

                            The phrase "well-regulated" was in common use long before 1789, and remained so for a century thereafter. It referred to the property of something being in proper working order. Something that was well-regulated was calibrated correctly, functioning as expected. Establishing government oversight of the people's arms was not only not the intent in using the phrase in the 2nd amendment, it was precisely to render the government powerless to do so that the founders wrote it.

                            • 2 votes
                            #14.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:16 PM EST
                            Reply

                            Tode ya guns aren't the problem. Hiccups are

                            • 7 votes
                            Reply#15 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:41 PM EST

                            Most effective cure for hiccups - ever!

                            • 3 votes
                            Reply#16 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:41 PM EST

                            Nothing says 'Big Chicken Dinner' like accidentally shooting your buddy.

                            Once again proving that: The Stupid Shall Be Punished.

                              Reply#17 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:45 PM EST

                              wwwweeeeeeeeeeee

                                Reply#18 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 12:48 PM EST

                                Thats what she said.

                                • 1 vote
                                #18.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:13 PM EST

                                LMAO

                                  #18.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:37 PM EST
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                                  Fort Hood one more time. Must be where they send the mentally challenged.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  Reply#19 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:17 PM EST

                                  Screw you and the person who voted you up.

                                  Yes this was a stupid, pointless death, guess what? It happens on every post.

                                  It was soldiers from FT Hood that got Sadam, it was soldier's from Ft Hood who managed to go to Iraq and bring everyone home for the first time, it's Ft Hood who are the best of the best, it's why everybody else comes here to train. Ft Hood is the greatest Post in the Army. Ten reasons why.

                                  10. 15,000 square miles of off post Aviation training.

                                  09. The "Mecca" for joint forces training.

                                  08. The state of the art Battle Command Training Center.

                                  07. "We can optimally train 50,000 soldiers" -General Metz

                                  06. 134,000 contiguous ON POST training acres (no need to get on a train to go train)

                                  05. The lowest cost per capita for post support in the Army.

                                  04. The best live fire training complex in the Army.

                                  03. The fastest mass troop deployment post.

                                  02. The lowest cost of living for soldiers and their families.

                                  01. Ranked #1 maneuver post in the Army.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #19.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:51 PM EST

                                  So, love war much? Sounds like Israel to me? Paranoid and living in fear in the middle of nowhere and ready for the invasion from whatever.

                                  Yeah - something to be proud of.

                                  • 3 votes
                                  #19.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:09 PM EST

                                  Steve-3718191:

                                  See Mom2Five's post below.

                                    #19.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:12 PM EST

                                    Fitz, I'm personally fond of the Bliss and WSMR areas. I mean where else do they have a posted page for days you will hear sonic booms? How about blowing the side of a mountain apart, with whatever you choose to fire at it? Not to be brief, but when you get bored, you could always head south and help clean up Juarez-Cuidad. Throw in great local food as well as great traditional Mexican food and BBQ and steaks...

                                    • 2 votes
                                    #19.4 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:18 PM EST

                                    1SGFitzsWife4ID

                                    I agree 100% with your assessment of Ft Hood. Been there many times and found everything you posted to be spot on. Thank Ya Ma'am

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #19.5 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 5:18 PM EST

                                    Stang the most beautiful and comforting sound I've ever heard is when the Chinooks are up and flying (those are some sexy beasts) If we didn't need the train tracks to move the equipment from state to state I would love to see them blow them up (I freeking HATE trains!!)

                                    Best post I've been to is here at Hood, the worst would have to be Rock Island in Illinois (yeah I had to google it too when I found out we were going there)

                                    I'm not a huge fan of El Paso, but had we been sent to Bliss I would've gone, we were thinking we were going to get Carson when 4ID went (that's when we got rock island) never got to go to Germany either which always made me sad. Knox wasn't too bad but that had more to do with my husband's family living nearby.

                                    You're welcome Jax Hood will always hold a special place in my heart, hub's just retired and we chose to come back to this area, other than maybe Fredericksburg, TX there isn't any other place I'd rather be.

                                    • 1 vote
                                    #19.6 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 11:42 AM EST

                                    1SGFitzWife4ID

                                    My career was 1969-1993, retired and went to Jamaica worked as Dep Proj Mgr. Came back in 97 used GI Bill to get Masters Degree. Now in Barbados as Project Manager until 2016. At Hood used to go to Sugarloaf and/or Cowhouse Creek quite often to use the ranges. Killeen always had good food and entertainment for the few days we were TDY there! Check my avatar for more info. Thanks again for serving, as also your husband! HUA.

                                      #19.7 - Sun Feb 3, 2013 6:13 AM EST

                                      We actually live on the Copperas Cove side you couldn't pay me to live in Killeen lol, Hubby used part of his GI Bill and now he does computer stuff (Don't get me to lyin about what it is exactly he does lol) for a company called Tek Systems.

                                        #19.8 - Sun Feb 3, 2013 1:25 PM EST
                                        Reply

                                        Wow, what an idiot.

                                        • 4 votes
                                        Reply#20 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:36 PM EST

                                        Agreed. It's a pity to think someone could be so dumb. Now this man has a weight of his friend's death on his shoulders.

                                        To think that some parents let their kids have access to guns! We really do live in a sad world.

                                          #20.1 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 6:43 PM EST
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                                          I agree. Not the brighest soldier out there

                                          • 3 votes
                                          Reply#21 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 1:48 PM EST

                                          Stupid is as stupid does.

                                          • 2 votes
                                          Reply#22 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:03 PM EST

                                          Texans = love of guns = not the brightest folks around.

                                          • 6 votes
                                          Reply#23 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:04 PM EST

                                          Ah Steve, if you ever leave your fag-a-fied home and venture to Texas, please, let us all know. I'd love to give you a tour of acres and acres of nothingness, drop you there after beating your A$$ and see if you can find your way out. Just sayin'

                                          • 1 vote
                                          #23.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:07 PM EST

                                          Falcon33

                                          Good God..... Bitter much? Jeeze

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #23.2 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:38 PM EST

                                          Steers and queers, Falcon. I doubt you're the former.

                                          • 4 votes
                                          #23.3 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 4:53 PM EST

                                          Falcon 33 calm down a little. Although Steve it's a little rude to say Texians aren't the brighest folks in town, even if a big part of their population supports guns. It really doesn't matter where you live, because anywhere you go you can have access to a gun, it doesn't really matter how old or who you are you can still shoot someone.

                                            #23.4 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 6:34 PM EST
                                            Reply

                                            Maybe he felt threatened by the hiccups and was just standing his ground.

                                            • 9 votes
                                            Reply#24 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:07 PM EST

                                            It was probably an accident but he knew better. You always always handle a gun like it's loaded even if you know it isn't. No exceptions

                                            • 2 votes
                                            Reply#25 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:08 PM EST

                                            cause assumption can be a mothaf'er

                                              #25.1 - Fri Feb 1, 2013 2:14 PM EST

                                              The world needs to change. I know some of you guys don’t agree-
                                              but if we just had some stronger gun restrictions some this wouldn’t happen. If people didn’t have access to guns none of this would happen. I’m tired of
                                              being told to be a responsible 13 year old if people are shooting bullets and
                                              have access to guns everywhere. I’m tired of people having to die in order for
                                              people to listen. I’m tired of people saying it’s sad and not doing anything
                                              about it. We are the future people, and if we want a future where people aren’t
                                              dying by bullets, and people aren’t pulling the trigger on innocent lives than
                                              we have to step up. As long as there’s a gun someone can pull the trigger, and
                                              as long as someone can pull the trigger someone can be shot.

                                              Just something to think about I guess.

                                              P.S. I know there are lots of people protesting guns, thank
                                              you and I hope more and more follow your footsteps

                                                #25.2 - Sat Feb 2, 2013 6:36 PM EST
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