"On A Clear Day" THANK YOU from us to you and yours!

karen- the gentleman you are talking about(the guy with PTSD) was amongst the dead,not the killer.

Conrad,

Obviously you are not an American!

The objective of war is to kill people, and that's what he did (very well). Did you know most of his kill came as he was performing overwatch. He would take up a sniping position and provide cover as the ground forces moved in saving countless American lives. So yes he was a true American hero.

God bless him and his family! Conrad obviously has mental issues....

my heart goes out to his family and to him.this world is going insane . and as you see nothing you can do to stop these mentally psyco nuts who killed him. it shows you can not pass any kind of laws with guns it just dont work.what is this world coming to how sad

Mike in Delray...great link thank you!!! This man was a hero..his biggest concern the the number of people he couldn't save, not the number he killed to save others. Best wishes to his family, and many thanks to Chris for risking his life to protect everyone else's!! RIP

Blade,

I agree it's funny how George left out the worst of the worst. LBJ That SOB had a hand it 3 major assassinations during his time in office.

Is there some secret bounty out on SEALS???? They are dying right and left!

evasmom2012...(#1.24)..." This man was a hero..his biggest concern the number of people he couldn't save, not the number he killed to save others."

And he gave his last full measure in voluntary service helping fellow soldiers, that didn't have his clarity of vision on their service to the Nation and were having difficulty coping upon their return....

Hey Fedup....There are SEAL's that think so:

Anonymous T.
Irrelevant

Posted on February 2, 2013 at
10:38pm

Sounds like a hit.

Missouri_Patriot

Posted on February 2, 2013 at
11:10pm

I agree….you don’t just walk up to a Navy Seal and shoot him at “point
blank” range……

This just a day after 1000 Special Forces and former Special Forces
soldiers declare they’ll oppose any national firearm confiscation efforts by the
government……….
I think a message is being sent, the timing of this is just too
perfect."
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/02/former-navy-seal-american-sniper-author-chris-kyle-reportedly-killed-at-tx-shooting-lodge/

george pauljohn:

YOU WROTE: "The guys who won't be forgiven by the good lord are the evil bastards that sent him there. There is a place in hell waiting for Bush and Cheney right next to bin laden, Saddam, Nixon, Reagan etc. Even Eddie Koch-sucker will be at the table." (insert laugh track here)

MY RESPONSE: You forgot to include a host of Democrat leaders who gave congressional approval/backing for the war in Iraq: Democrats like Ted Kennedy (who's probably in hell already for his indiscretions with Mary Jo Kopechne), John Kerry, Hillary Clinton, Carl Levin, Nancy Pelosi, Al Gore, Tom Daschle, Barbara Boxer, Madeline Albright, etc. (By now, you should get my drift)

Do you want me to quote the supporting messages those Democrats said about going to war against Iraq? The response would be lengthy.

Your biased condemnation of selected government officials is transparently foolish and utterly asinine!

I sure would like to get my hands on Conrad and Deckie just for a few minutes, just to have a little private conversation about their trolling habits...who am I kidding, they need a good old fashioned beating folks and I dont care who doesnt like it, just sayin what most/some of you are thinkin judging by the responses. Not sure what makes somebody write something that is ONLY MEANT to inflame and infuriate people, especially that jejejeje moron...remember the old days when somebody said stuff like that in public? there wasnt such a thing as anonymity, and said idiot got a busted face, /sigh, jagovs like these two can spread their vitriol and not get what they deserve.

I see the Collapsing Brigade has been dispatched to this article's comments....

So much for The 1st.Amendment and Free Speech (unless you agree with them).....Probably don't like the 2nd. Amendment either.....

Rest in peace the "Devil of Ramadi"

"The only easy day was yesterday"

-The Night Stalker of Baghdad

Hooyah

A confirmed kill at 1.2 miles. Forgetting all political, social and moral considerations, that was one amazing shot.

I wonder what the story behind this story may entail Was this just another crazy gunman, and we do seem to be seeing a spike in appearances by such people, or did the gunman have a personal or political grudge against one or both of his victims.

The fact that the shooter was taken alive makes me think it was a personal grudge. Crazy shooters are most often either captured at the scene, or commit suicide.

In either event a tragic story, to survive duty in Iraq as a Navy Seal, only to be shot dead in Texas.

The men and women in the military die protecting our freedoms, show some RESPECT! Without them, Conrad, you wouldn't be able to speak freely. You may not agree with war, it's ugly and unfortunate, but VERY necessary.

R.I.P.

conrad ...does your mommy know you're on the computer this morning?...coward.

I dont know what disturbs me more....Conrad's angry, racist rant,

or the fact that at least 17 people voted it up!

I sure would like to get my hands on Conrad and Deckie just for a few minutes, just to have a little private conversation about their trolling habits...who am I kidding, they need a good old fashioned beating folks and I dont care who doesnt like

Ja yo, have you ever heard or read the words, "I may not agree with what you say, but I shall defend to my death your right to say it"?

I've seen this quote attributed to everybody from Voltaire to Patrick Henry. Regardless, these words are at the core of your first amendment right to express yourself, and the right of Conrad to do the same.

You're are getting too ruffled by words posted by an anonymous idiot. If you get upset by the utterances of every fool or idiot you encounter, you'll spend your life with an upset stomach and bruised knuckles. It is easier to just note their idiocy and move on.

Conrad-1865098,

You are one f!@ked up SOB.

If I had the money I would gladly put the same bounty on your head that he had on his. For every life he took he saved 10, 100, maybe 1000? You sound like the same sh!t ball mf'ers he wasted. Here's a pic of Mohammed :-~ that's him with his pedophile tongue you co!k sucking inbread pos. Karma comes to everyman and you'd better damn well bet you get yours!

Chris Kyle RIP Still keeping the faith brother. Fair winds and following seas...

Im sure as he authored his books he knew this was a possibility. Guess they didnt pay him enough for a private shooting range on his private property. I know if i wrote books like this you wouldnt see me in public at all, ever.

I see we had a little troll fest in the wee hours of this morning. Awwwwww. Isn't that special....

*eyes roll*

Won't take Conrad's bait, but I will say to COYOTEHUNTER:

Kyles killer won't last 6 months in prison.....

Yep. Exactly right. As sure as the sun will come up tomorrow he'll get off. Some liberal judge will see to that.

You see, this is why our gun homocide rates are so high. Leinient sentencing. You commit a crime with a handgun, you go to prison for LIFE. You kill someone with it, you get the DEATH PENALTY. PERIOD.

THAT would go a long way in solving the problem.

ENFORCE existing gun laws. We DON'T NEED any new ones!

This comment was collapsed above as I feared it might be - given it doesn't give comfort to those whose purposes it does not serve and further; fortunately we live in the day and age of "cut and paste"! It also gives me an opportunity to correct typos - thank you.

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You are welcome Hunter1076. Hopefully what I wrote and what you wrote won’t be deemed “Too inflammatory” by those whose agendas are not served by our words and beliefs.

My father-in-law was a full Colonel in the Army; was wounded four times in WWII - including once in the Battle of the Bulge; served in Korea, the Dom Rep and was expected to be a general - and would have been, if he had not been blackballed by someone slipping a false report into his jacket. In any event, he was without doubt one of the finest individuals I have ever been privileged to meet.

Needless to say, he was not a man who suffered fools kindly.

Today we have, in my opinion, both leading the country at the highest levels possible and populating it, countless whoDO suffer fools kindly; who are far more interested in apologizing to our enemies and who think - totally foolishly - that you actually can reason with someone whose only desire is to stick a knife in your back (or nuke us) - like Iran.

The only good thing you can say is that perhaps it is necessary to allow the path the current Pied Piper we have as Commander in Chief is leading us down to reach its ultimate, inevitable disastrous end; so that the total bankruptcy - both fiscally, as well as in terms of weakening America - can be made clear to even the most devout of his followers that there is no safe harbor nor pot of golden at the end of his rainbow - no matter how eloquently a silver tongued politician may put it or say it is so.

In the meantime, God help America and us to survive!

Fortunately, America is amazingly resilient and is made of the strongest of the strong stuff and will - much to the dismay of those who wish it so - bounce back stronger and more powerful than ever before - despite our leaders best efforts to make it so it isn't so.

Common Sense-2004266 ...(#1.44)..."Chris Kyle invited his friend, who had post-traumatic stress disorder, to a firing range???"

Do a little research on programs developed by organizations to help with the PTSD....They go hunting, bow-hunting, fly-fishing, whitewater canoeing, camping....out in the the wilds of Wyoming, Montana and yes, Texas...to ease these warriors back to civilian status.....For some going back to a gun range is a step forward in returning to what they did before they enlisted.....

From what I read, the shooter was a neighbor of the guy Chris Kyle went to help and he killed them both, shot from behind.....that's the connection, not the gun range....

I'm sorry this had to happen. But Texas is the place where gunmen live by the gun and die by the gun. In Texas as soon Mr. Kyle published he had 160 kills, he sealed his fate. But I thank him for his service, and I hope his family will be okay, especially his children. May he rest in peace.

Conrad @ #1.5: You sir, do not deserve to be an American. Soldiers like Cris Kyle put their life on the line every day to keep our shores safe and then you have to make scum bag remarks like that. He said in the article he didn't want to brag about how many kills he had made but the publisher insisted. The way my math works, he saved at least 160 American lives and possibly more than 1,000. May God have mercy on your soul, the Taliban surely won't.

"It is good that war is so terrible, else we would get to like it." Robert E. Lee

What so many of the commenters here seem to forget is that war is terrible. It's not nicey-nicey. There's is no such thing as "clean" war. It's horrible, violent, dramatic and deadly. Everyone should consider the devastation that war brings before one is started. Lee was right, and we need to be reminded of it on a regular basis. Too many think that war is some foreign or abstract concept kept quietly and safely hidden in closed books or folded newspapers. They have forgotten that it is really about blood, guts, trauma and death. Fortunately, we have good servicepeople who know about the terrors and horrors of war. They keep us as safe as they can from those who would visit it upon us.

As previously quoted, and also used by Churchill, "We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm." -- George Orwell

Thank you Mr. Kyle. I appreciate all your efforts and skills. Fair winds and calm seas.

Condolences to the Kyle and Littlefield families and friends. Tragedies like these are intolerable and incapable of being explained.

Our thoughts and prayers are with you.

Two tours of combat duty as a sniper and he's shot at a firing range in Texas! What does that tell us about our gun culture?

Conrad, Hitler would be proud of you and your distorted views.

We have lost a brave American soldier. I admire his courage and his dedication for our country. I only wish people would not talk down about this man. Chris Kyle will be remembered as a hero.

Conrad. You must have one really short dick you are over compensating for.

It truly amazing how so many sincere and honest comments are "collapsed"by a community of people unwilling to allow others to express their opinions - Oh, well, for those who missed it above here is the original text that preceded along with the comment by Hunter1076 before it and which followed my comment - all of which was collapsed along with a huge string of valid comments.

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I served with this American HERO, one of the best men you could ever serve time with.

A loss of a true Hero.

Ops will stand too for this troop!

Peace Brother !!!

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On A Clear Day

If we are to believe what you see about the old West, there were people who wanted to become known for killing the best gunfighter of their time, who more likely than not ended up - if there was a fight where they didn't sneak up like a craven coward - as did this murder on Chris Kyle - badly for the would be gunslinger.

Chris Kyle - by eliminating the 150 or so scum that he did - who if he had not punched their tickets would have happily killed God only knows how many innocent Americans and Iraqis - did the world, Iraq and America a true and good service.

There are individuals in this world who by virtue of their actions have forfeited their right to continue living and who, like rats attacking a child in the night, deserve only one fate; Mr. Kyle exacted that fate and instead of allowing them to practice their heinous behavior with gleeful delight and abandon - unchecked - made them, at the very least, a bit fearful and more hesitant; which, anyone who understands and has experienced the state of mind called "battle mode"knows, that if you can get the enemy to hesitate, when they should act, stop and think for even a split second - and thus be distracted - THAT split second is often all that is needed to give our guys an opening to kill an "insurgent" aka murdering basta_ds.

Rest assured if Mr. Kyle's killer had truly been a man and truly had the guts to face up to him there is no doubt which way the fight would have ended - with another ka murdering basta_ad dead - and the make world a better place for it.

Thank God we have men who as George Orwell said (often it is attributed to Winston Churchill):

We sleep safe in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm. -- George Orwell

God bless Chris Kyle and may he rest in peace and may God and man visit the harshest form of justice imaginable to the coward who killed Mr. Kyle; leaving his wife, children and friends to grieve the loss of one of the worlds bravest men.

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Hunter1076

"On A Clear Day" THANK YOU from us to you and yours!

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#1.3 - Sun Feb 3, 2013 6:52 AM EST

In a February 2012 interview with NBC News, Kyle said he didn't want to put the number in the book but the publisher insisted.

When you chase that mighty dollar, you do what they tell you. I would have never put "number of kills" in my book. I retired after 34+ years in the Infantry, and there are only 3 others alive today that has any idea of how many kills were in my career.

RIP Brother!!

HOOAH!!!

Meant to add to my above post:

Condolences and thoughts to Chris Kyle's family. Thank you so much for serving us. Our Country could use more people like Chris Kyle.

R.I.P.

I've gotten more liberal over the years but overall I'm still pretty centrist because I believe that the truth in most issues lies somewhere near the middle.

having said that, I find it galling that people like Conrad can bash Mr Kyle. Yes, he killed people, but he was a soldier serving his country. I have every confidence that the people he killed were bad guys who were a threat to others. You don't get to cherry-pick your orders when you are in the military. before you bash Mr Kyle, ask yourself: what have YOU done to serve your country? sheesh, man, have a little respect

I didn't know the man and I hate to see anyone die by violence, but to those of you who are claiming that he spent his life protecting our "freedoms", you are 100% right. The US military protects our corporations 'freedom" to plunder other peoples natural resources and enslave their people, it protects our governments "freedom" to force capitalism down smaller nations throats, it protects our Conservative Christian "right" to force their twisted belief system upon others at the point of a gun. Our military has not protected our freedom since WWII, and actually if you read General Smedley Butler's book, "War is a Racket", most of the war prior to WWII were fought for capitalism and not democracy.

This man admittedly killed hundreds of people, from a long distance with a high powered rifle, never truly knowing their innocense or guilt, no trial, just executed them AND YET YOU PRAISE HIM. How is that protecting our freedom when our freedom is based on NOT BEING SHOT WITHOUT A TRIAL?.

He trained our police and coporate security to operate just like the military and many of you on here praising him also claim that you fear the police will be used to take your guns away. Daily on these comment sections you claim that you will shoot even the police should they attempt to come in your home take you guns and yet you praise the man who trained them to kick your door in and disarm you.

Life by the sword, DIE BY THE SWORD!!

On A Clear Day, #1.2- EXCELLENT!!!! Sorry that you're collapsed under the thread, too!

Conrad-1865098, #1.5- I think it's GREAT! that you posted and spoke as you did. (not that I, personally, share your same perspective) but I think it's very important to let People know that there are other perspectives out there that may not be just like theirs but they are VALID, to be spoken and expressed; and worthy of being heard. (HOW ELSE WOULD ANYONE KNOW THAT THERE IS A PERSPECTIVE DIFFERENT FROM THEIRS!) I've already said that I don't share yopur perspective, exactly, but I will tell you that right away I did pick up on what I think you were alluding to; that being maybe somewhere along the lines of questioning if during "a time of War", as a perspective, does not THE INVADED ONES have a Right to try and defend themselves? Again, I, myself, don't share the perspective that includes the wish for the expressed ill-will toward others but agree totally with your RIGHT to have the perspective that you have and to be able to express it and let it be known what it is. It seems like there is also severe questioning, at least on my part, as to The Publisher insisting on putting the number in the book, against his will AND OWN PERSPECTIVE, as the main character of the book!

reparee, #1.26- EXCELLENT!!!!!!! And with all else aside, this is just UNBELIEVABLY BEYOND HORRENDOUS and all around TRAGIC in so many ways! Including the Politicians' favorite: "SENSELESS TRAGEDY" and "SENSE-LESS-LY" (but there's nothing we can do about it!)

I could only read this far. I have to run out now for a "Super Sunday" day of errands with my Son, but hope I can get back later to read some more comments.

dman, I agree, Conrad does have constitutionally protected right to say what he did. And Navy SEAL's risk their lives to protect that right every day. I have have the same right to observe that I think Conrad is a spineless pussy. And a F***ing idiot. Can't wait to hear how the press and the weenies in the White House spin this one.

To Conrad-1865098: Wow, I'm not even sure what I should say to you...Just don't be the next idiot that goes on a mass shooting.

Mystery Rhee: You said,

Conrad-1865098, #1.5- I think it's GREAT! that you posted and spoke as you did. (not that I, personally, share your same perspective) but I think it's very important to let People know that there are other perspectives out there that may not be just like theirs but they are VALID, to be spoken and expressed....

Yes, we have first amendment protection and can say pretty much what we like, but Conrad went too far and grave danced on the Kyle situation. Some day some smart hacker is going to figure out how to get thru Newsvine's security and find people like him, maybe a member of another victim's family. I have read about other people being tracked down like this. He wouldn't say that stuff on Facebook, he'd have a visitor by tomorrow. Zuckerberg wouldn't have to close his account, another citizen would take care of that.

Hotticket@#1.47: I think Coyote Hunter @1.28 wasn't talking about a lenient sentence, He was saying the shooter would be eliminated by the other inmates before six months.

People constantly complain on Newsvine about the collapsed comments and I keep replying that this web site is poorly designed. Military sniping has and will always be a controversial subject and controversy generates lots of comments. Newsvine needs a down arrow between the up arrow and the exclamation point so that the conversation doesn't degenerate into mudslinging. I like to see how many people agree with my comments but I would also like to see how many disagree rather than the more nasty "comment collapsed by the community!" which is the essence of mob rule.

My condolences to the families of this tragedy.

@Conrad ,he didn't murder 160 people, he just killed 160 USELESS A$SHOLES ,MURDERS,SUICIDE BOMBERS,WOMAN ABUSERS AND "OTHER SCUM" no big loss for taking those POS

Mr. Kyle was murdered. And now many on this vine blame the victim. Mr. Kyle was an armed service member-- HE DID HIS JOB! And some of the very low-life denizen trolls of Newsvine have the absolute audacity to say it's okay that he was murdered. I certainly hope that every single one of them reaps what they have sown with their very own disgraceful statements. I am ashamed of each and everyone of you.

This fine man worked, played, lived, loved, laughed, did his military obligation (which I could never measure up to -- as much as I would aspire to), and was helping someone else when his life was stolen from him. MURDERED. The filth that took this man's life, and anyone that supports it, should all be prosecuted to the furthest extent of the law.

The only good thing I can say about the story is that it happened in Texas. They execute murderers in Texas. I hope they catch this murderer very quickly and put him on the fast track to the death chamber.

Mr. Kyle's family, please forgive my rant. I get quite wound up when I see stupidity, carelessness, moronic comments, and the such. Our service folks,and your family member, deserve much better than some of the ignorant, vile and putrid statements made against them. These spineless cowards are permitted to flap their lips because someone as honorable as Chris Kyle put his life on the line so that we can all say our piece. It's sad that so many who spout have forgotten what respect is, and they have forgotten or ignored the debt they owe. My deepest condolences to you and yours.

Conrad is ignorant and it is obvious. Don't worry about people like that, who show they know nothing, and yet think they know everything.

It is a shame this guy died. I'm not even gung ho about it so much as to say he did his job and he did it well. If you want to blame someone, blame politicians who send people to war. Not the people who get sent and then happen to be excellent at what they do.

The only people making this into Liberals versus Conservatives are the same morons who make the decision as to what morning cereal they eat political. And they don't decide elections.

Wow. It's amazing how P.O.S. people out there condemn Chris Kyle!!! WTF do any of you know about serving your country and having to do the things you are too worthless to do yourself?

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things; the decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing worth a war, is worse. A man who has nothing which he cares more about than he does about his personal safety is a miserable creature who has no chance at being free, unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.” ― John Stuart Mill

The man did his job, plain and simple. And YES, he was better than you for it.

And for those of you spouting off sh** about God, take two steps back so you can get a running start at f***ing yourself as well. Pretty damn sure it says this in your precious Bible:

8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.
8:8 And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.
8:9 And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

John 8:7-8:9

Practice what you preach a-holes.

Thank you, Karen Sherry Brackett.

Everyone, please read Karen's post at 1.4.

Jaden and Karen--the person who was at the fire ranging with Mr. Kyle was murdered, too. Both are dead. Please re-read the story. Condolences to both families.

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As to the gun type/ capacity, there is no need for semi-automatic/high capacity magazine guns in the possession of individuals. These weapons are meant for military use only! In all their wisdom I don’t think the founders of this Nation would have conceived of something that would take out 30-50 people in a couple of minutes. Canons were available in those days and the Constitution did no say, … and the right to bear arms and canons.

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#1.26 - Sun Feb 3, 2013 8:30 AM EST

What's clear from your post is that you have zero understanding of the 2nd Amendment, or even basic English words such as "arms," not to mention guns.

1. The Constitution guarantees (not "grants") the people (that means each person as an individual) the right to keep and bear arms, by prohibiting the government from infringing upon their natural right to do so for defense against criminals, tyranny, and foreign invasion.
2. Cannons are a type of "arms." From the Webster Dictionary definition: Arms = Instruments or weapons of offense or defense. The Constitution left the type of arms that an individual chose to keep and bear up to that individual's preference and their available funds. The founding fathers were also quite a bit more intelligent than you, and they wisely didn't limit people to only the arms that were available at the time the Constitution was written--by leaving it at "arms," the Constitution's wording allows for technological improvements without any need for an update.
3. If you personally don't understand the need for high-capacity semi-automatic weapons, then by all means, don't buy any--that's YOUR right. There are many of us that DO understand the need for them, and choose to own them--that's OUR right.

If you want to troll about a subject, it helps if you at least have a basic grasp of the concepts involved.

Since you think that semi-automatic weapons do not belong in the hands of civilians, when you have four armed thugs breaking into your house or just mugging you on the street, let me know how you fare with your single-shot muzzleloader/breech-loader, will you? Wait, you probably won't survive, so nevermind.

Rest in peace Chris. Thank you for your service to your country. I send my condolences to the Kyle family & to the Littlefield family for their loss.

LOL this entire page his nothing but collapsed threads.

Conrad-1865098 you need some help man. Your comments are way out of line. You have no place to know what and why this man had to do to save many lives by killing the few. Yes you can see it as murder, but sometimes its necessary. IM sure you feel the same about the seals who killed Bin Laden are they scum also ?

I love how people on here are pretty much suggesting every soldier is a murderer. Suggesting me and all my fellow soldiers now and that have ever fought for thier country are just simple murderers. The fact that you have access to internet and can say what you like was bought and paid for by blood. And you pathetic worms dont even acknowledge that.

Oh and making fun of the whole he had a gun so according to the NRA he should have been able to deend himself. I go shooting with friends and family all the time. I trust them. Now if a family member has an usspoken grudge against me and shoots me in the back of the head.. yeah, me having a gun means $h!t. Not sure why i am explaining this to you though, it would take more then a 2nd graders understanding to fingure out how the world works.. and your morons obviously dont have that.

I also notice the anti gun people STILL not blaming the gun that killed these 2 AMERICANS. So i suggest this to you. Since its the guns that are evil.. no we'll say the guns are Satan incarnate.. if we get rid of all the guns we can just release all the people from prison.. i mean with no guns making people commit crime there is nothing to worry about right? All the rapists and child molesters and other psychos wont have the evil guns whispering in thier ears telling them to do bad.

Tell you what, you give up your 1st ammendment and i will give up my 2nd

It is still hard to comment on this story as we do not have all the answers. Both Kyle and Routh served in the military and did tours in Iraq. Unless you've been in a war, you don't know how living under such conditions might effect you, and everyone is effected differently and not all people experience the same things. I know Kyle was out to do good and he has done a lot of good things since he left the service. I also understand from this article that Routh was diagnosed with PTSD and so I also wonder if there was any professional counseling about allowing this man to be put in a situation with a loaded gun. If not, it's kind of like giving a lit match to gasoline. I lived through the post Vietnam era and remember veterans suddenly losing control and killing people for what seemed like no reason until it was realized that these people were still living with the stress of the war even after they were out of it. I knew when these wars began that we would be seeing stories like this with soldiers once again killing seemingly randomly. Our government sends our soldiers out to war so a few old fat men sitting at home can reap billions of dollars out of it at no cost to them since none of their own family members are dying. Then when it is all over and all the wealth that can be squeezed out of the situation is dried up, they dump those soldiers back into the real world and take no further responsibility for them - the best thing that could happen for the wealthy and our government would be if all the soldiers died before coming home so they had to pay nothing for them.

Killing, and the celebration of killing, will get mankind where? Are there really 'great men' that have killed the unsuspecting? Have we become so numb to killing our 'designated' enemies that they are seen as something other than human beings? Considering our propensity to dehumanize others arbitrarily for our own ends, do we really believe and live by the idea that "All Men Are Created Equal"?

Only questions to ponder.

I just heard this story on T.V. and then came here. It seems a lot of people die in Texas. Some CIA guy was killed while in his car in that state a while back. It seems a lot of people get killed there.

As to this story: They did say there was a price on his head. He was also pretty well known, writing a book and being on T.V. and all. This could make him a target. Who's to say that the enemy did not do a hit on him, either one of their fanatics or a person who did it for money? I sure hope they investigate well this guy who killed him because he may be more than he seems. Something does not smell right.

There is a danger when some of our guys become known to the public as opsecteam.org will point out. It might have been better that some of our heroes remain anonymous for a while as long as the enemy lurks about. Terrorism knows no boarders and their operatives and those they influence can be lurking about, even right here in America. Did anyone see the old movie "The House on 92nd Street?" This was about German spies in America and how the FBI had to deal with them. Such things still happen.

Conrad-1865098
DON'T RIP

your tirade is disrespectful to the max........what a SHAME to say DON'T RIP to the 2 killed by their invited companion with PTSD. your hostile attitude is dangerous. you need to seek professional assist ASAP.

Conrad-1865098

I take it you have never fought for this country nor would you! Your comments about this soldier are straight out of the Westboro Baptist Church's anti-everything songbook. The soldier whom you denigrate and try to disgrace with your mindless and hateful words and thoughts more than likely saved the lives of countless American Soldiers by taking out key leaders and insurgents who were preparing to kill our men and women serving.

You do not deserve the freedoms you enjoy each day because of soldiers present and past. Why don't you just get the hell out of America? I would surely like to meet you someday in person to debate your words.

Think about what you have now and then think about what your life would be like without it!

Zapper

I agree with your sentiments very much. I would like this murder to be executed but we NEED to INTERROGATE him first. If it were up to me I would find a nice Black Site that no one knows except for the few most trusted Americans and keep him there until he sings and we know the whole trail.

Conrad, you have managed to offend most people here. What are you? Nuts? These are the same sort of people who flew planes into the Trade Towers, set off bombs all over the place, abuse women, and try to force their stone age religion on everybody. This soldier was doing his duty for his country against an enemy as foul as the Orks on Lord of the Rings. As far as I am concerned, he shot a few Orks...good job. He is a hero.

LiberalsRCommies, I see you have come to Conrad's defense, condemning his impoliteness but not his opinion. Zionists and Freemasons? Do you care to elaborate? Israel is busy defending its boarders and hoping we don't leave them to the Ork hordes who will kill them the minute they get the chance. The Freemasons? They are more or less an influence from the past. The Masonic Lodge is not the big influence it used to be. And their influence was not a negative one since most of the writers of the Constitution were members. They are very much a part of the American fabric. But in any case, they have nothing to do with what these terrorists are doing. I would wish in fact, that the Muslims would join the Lodge because they would learn religious tolerance and get out of the stone age, but I don't think they will. I will not lose any sleep tonight over Zionists and Freemasons. If only our troubles were just those. The thing that really will be our undoing is Soylent Green. The fossil fuels are running out. The new kind of natural gas drilling will ruin our fertile farmland and water (fracking). Global warming is going to bring about more drought. Food and water supplies are going to dwindle while human populations explode. The worldwide capitalist economy is stumbling, and things could go wrong with our economy very soon and very worse. Meanwhile, an internationalist gang which some call "New World Order" is slowly taking over. I'd say there are bigger fish to fry.

This honorable military man was doing his best, and he should be remembered with honor.

Well i guess if the shooter would have just been a "responsible" gun owner who was properly "trained" this would never had....Uh wait no that's not right seeing how HE WAS TRAINED AND A SO CALLED RESPONSIBLE GUN OWNER! but that can't be can it!?!? I mean the only people who go killing others are those ones that don't know the proper handling of a gun or are the ones that are not legally able to own a gun right!!!?!??! Gun nuts take note, now one of YOURS did this and I can guarantee you will see a lot more...keep fighting to have open ownership and unregulated free ownership...next time maybe it will be YOU! Or maybe just another hero will go down needlessly because of your hobby...

"Thou shalt not kill." It can't get much more plain than that.

IN A LAND OF THE FREE, THANKS TO A FEW OF THE BRAVE!!! RIP CHRISS. Now folks, pay attention, they have given the reason if you have listened and read, if you understood. He was suffering from PTSD. What's that? Post traumatic stress disorder, something REAL that needs real medical treatment that often gets overlooked. Don't blame anyone, It is something that fell through the cracks, and needs to be checked. Where some future checks need to be made before future gun sales are made.

So may dramatic, conspiracy theorist douchebags on this thread. There is nothing sacred about human life. Kyle knew this as he was able to transition from deer to human, and if he didn't enjoy doing it then he would have never signed up and taken the missions under his own acceptance. More power to him I say, but he made a ill advised move in taking a shell shocked marine to a firing range. and it cost him his life. Sorry for you man, truly am.

Conrad I dismiss you as a troll. You and your buddy LiberalsRcommies. I am in the military and if they contracted my services to dispatch either or both of you two I would do it, and albeit beside the point, I would enjoy it. What idiot #2 doesn't understand is that most of us are able to comprehend the the vast complexity's of the politics behind the conflicts. Amazing right? People like myself just enjoy having a job, nothing more, nothing less. 30 days paid vacation a year and the chance to go to some pretty exotic locations is just gravy. So stick a huge black dildo up your self righteous a$$'s and then blow out those super smart brains of yours. : )

"The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun, is a good guy with a gun"

- Wayne LaPierre, December 21, 2012

What happened Wayne?

It's mental health.

Rick, its goes without saying that we're all a$$holes at one point or another.

freecascadian, being armed is no guarantee of not being killed. If that were true there would never be a police officer killed in the line of duty.

Obviously, Chris Kyle was more than able to take down anyone. What he and Chad did was lay down their lives for a brother. They obviously realized the young Marine was having a delusion. It takes uncommon valor to die that way. I respect Chris Kyle all the more for the courageous way he died.

KLaren: It takes uncommmon valor to get yourself killed at a shooting range? Valor is not the word I would have selected.

Just waiting for an @!$%# to bring gun control into this. No one knows the full story. Who reported it? Why did a marine with PTSD decide to shoot former military men? How did the police find out if there was only the three of them? Again people with mental problems is the cause of these gun issues, but nothing has changed from the past, only the media and its influence on the naive population.

Rick.....Just a few on this board.. You're in good cpmpany it seems.

Howard dean said it best, he said around 45% of republicans are wackos, and about ten percent of democrats are also.

so i guess only 28% of Americans are @$$ holes lol

Yeah, Rick. Romney only thought 47% of Americans were leaches and liars. Probably yourself included. Laughed with his buddies over a dinner where they paid tens of thousands of dollars a plate to try to but the "next president." That makes him SOOOooo much better. How'd that work out for you all by the way? One delta one zero tango.

What a doofuss

Another mess in Texas...

Conrad you disgusting piece of dog sh#@. You chicken sh@# pussy. You better hope your identity never comes out, or as you can see from the comments here, you won't be able to find a hole deep enough to hide in.

Wow...just gotta love the "compassionate" left. What a bunch of friggin hypocrites in just about every aspect of their useless lives. This guy is one of the reasons you are able to spout your vile opinions without repercussions. Unfortunately, libs are so selfish and simple minded, they'll never "get it".

Live by the sword (GUN) die by the sword (GUN)

If surroundedbyfools actually is, the greatest fool is in the middle. Perphaps they all play keep the brain away - from him. The guy is so incredibly stupid that he thinks the war in Iraq, and Kyle's role in it, protected our freedoms. His brain is like a balloon filled with pus - he he's the kind of guy with the kind of "thinking" that defends our incoherent and irrational gun laws.

JimD-406742

- he he's the kind of guy with the kind of "thinking" that defends our incoherent and irrational gun laws.

Oh, you're one of those simpletons. Nothing else in your post has any relevance after that statement. Burns you up that my right to purchase and own a gun will not be going away in your lifetime, doesn't it?

RIP Chris Kyle.

kcwoman

I don't personally pick killers as my heros - but apparently LOTS of people do. A snapshot of the violent sickness that is America . . .

until that killer saves you or a loved one, then they become your hero.

In war, in a combat situation, there are certain things that must be done. Terrible things, brutal things that no decent and right thinking person would ever consider doing in a normal peacetime environment. But those things have to be done in war, and we owe a debt of gratitude to the people who have what it takes to do those things. Chris Kyle was one of those people.

Chris Kyle famously said, he didn't like to talk about his "klls," but that he wished he knew the number of people he saved. Look, if you want to blame someone for the deaths in Afghanistan and Iraq, then blame yourself for picking leaders who chose to send the military into war. But, at least, when it come to Afghanistan, you have better acknowledge that Al Qaeda attacked the US.

As for how the murder of Kyle will play out, I've read reports, so far unverified, that the shooter had PTSD. If this is true, I want to know how someone with this kind of disorder could have legally have a weapon.

Starerup......is anyone ever 'safe'? I'd bet a lot that even if it was possible to examine in detail every insurance company's risk tables, out of the billions of people on this planet there isn't one who is 'safe'.

It's very easy to become a "hero" in the United States. If you are able to urinate without getting urine all over yourself and the floor, you are a hero. If you are morbidly obese and get an operation to lose weight, you are a hero (even though it was a doctor who performed the operation and not you). With that being said, the United States is quickly becoming a free-fire zone. What type of new hero will arise from this? An ignorant individual who refuses to carry a gun only to get randomly slaughtered? Or a well-prepared strapped person who's ready to return the heat?

Another nut case turning on someone..

Diggers69:

Your comment lost any possibility of credibility with the insertion of the patronizing "sweetheart" address directed at someone you don't even know.

It came across as dripping with hyper emotion and so can be easily dismissed.

If only he had had a gun, or if everyone had had a gun at the gun range, this tragedy could have been prevented... ohhhh.... never mind.

The worrier can finally rest in peace. He has done what he was trained to do. He did his duty for God and Country. That is more then the rest of do. He was a good man that lived by the gun and he died by the Gun. I want to learn more about this, then we know right now. But its safe to say, more guns are not the answer. How much more do we need to see before we can see it clearly enough to do something about it?

My heart goes out to the family.....but there is a reason Seals are sworn
to secrecy. Maybe a good lesson for all those still out there "talking" or thinking
about talking. What happens in the Seals, stays in the Seals!

kcwoman: you brand Mr Kyle as a "killer". as somebody who is liberal/centrist, I find your comment ignorant and inflammatory. he was a soldier in service of his country when he killed people and there is every chance that those he killed were really, really bad people who were planning on harming others. not only is your "killer" reference an insult to all servicemen & women, it also reflects badly on us liberals who engage our brains before we comment

you're probably not from Texas.

To the guys who think that this killer getting 'the drop' on an experienced shooter proves anything in the 'gun debate'....you're so far wrong that it's pathetic.

I have zero info on how this happened, but I can imagine something like this being possible:

There's a couple people shooting at the range...they finish firing, their firearms empty......someone plotting to do harm waits nearby, possibly even inter-acting with them and not being seen as a threat. That person is very close with a loaded firearm when theirs are empty. That person simply shoots them from close range.

As Rooster Cogburn said in True Grit......a gun that's unloaded and cocked ain't good for nothing

This killer was stalking his victims and picked the precise moment to move in for the kill. He probably could have done just as well with a knife of club.

More importantly, I'd like to know the details behind this........it just seems too easy to explain it off as a some kid trying to make a name for himself, or his 15 minutes of fame, or whatever you want to call it. It is possible, I suppose, but I wonder what he figured his reward would be for such an action......after-all......this isn't the Wild West. Or....is it?

This message is for starterup! Would you like to see 20 more kids killed in school? You should put your brain in gear before you put your mouth in motion. Your remarks are probably alittle premature,not to mention where they come from. The guy that killed them two people had to be paid by someone,or be connected to terroist. Look at the brave man in Al. on the schoolbus,and think of how many kids he saved with just his body. How many more kids would be in that hole or worse dead. This shows how our children need to be protected. Here goes the if. If the busdriver would have been armed maybe,just maybe,that poor little five year old would not be in that hole.

@trust-Verify ;; I sure can't understandthe comment that the kcwoman made would be censored and removed from this site since she had many more thumbs up than you . I agree whole heartly with her comment !! STOP THE CENSORING OF THE COMMENTS THATS DIFFERNT FROM YOU. Thats another of taking away of free speech by the gun-idiots

I want to know why.

PTSD my ass...I heard he shot them in the back. No way he could have interpreted that as any kind of threat. I had kind of changed my view towards being against the death penalty in recent years, but in this case put him down as slowly and painfully as possible. Nothing lower than this slime bucket.

I truly feel very sorry for him, the other man and their families. This should not have happened.

I have a question: With all the guns there why didn't someone stop this? Aren't more gun supposed to be the answer according to the NRA?

Oh, I HAVE to respond to Swan37! You are entirely right Swan, don't feel bad for the American hero who saved countess American lives in the field, feel bad for the families of the terrorists he took out. That makes perfect sense! I bet after WWII you would have been thinking you would have hated all the returning American soldiers for killing those poor german soldiers and leaving their families dadless. Seriously dude, your moral compass is seriously fuc*** up and you need some serious recalibrating. You may not see it now, but you are WAY out there...so far out there what you said sounds truly bizarre. Get some help!

Well Weemee, if the guys attention had been to kill as many people as possible and there had been a bunch of soldiers out there at that range with guns I assure you he would have been taken out after the inital surprise of the attack. Many more people would have been killed had they all been unarmed. I've never owned a gun in my life, but this is just basic common sense. The fact that it's not obvious to you is bizarre and kind of concerning.

SWan,

You can either stand behind our troops, or better yet, please stand in front of them.

His death illustrates one basic principal, if you are not prepared at all times to confront gun violence, then it doesn't matter how many guns you own, because you are dead. With that said, doesn't it make sense to do background checks, just to slow down the process of getting one? Even sane people have moments of anger, some even of rage, all you have to do is take one look at house republicans and realize this nation is full of raging idiots.

Westwest is either a dimwitted 10 year old or a mentally retarded adult. Nobody can stop a killer from shooting people if caught by surprise. Let's see...terms you can understand...hmmm. Okay, put ten people in a large room and have them unarmed. Then, enter a killer with a semi-automatic gun with a thirty round clip. Next, put ten armed people in a room. Have a killer with the same gun enter. Now, which room would you rather be in? If you say the room with everyone unarmed you are either a liar or extremely stupid and expect a low life expectancy for yourself as your survival instinct and common sense compass are seriously fu**** up.

Clayton-548726

@trust-Verify ;; I sure can't understandthe comment that the kcwoman made would be censored and removed from this site since she had many more thumbs up than you . I agree whole heartly with her comment !! STOP THE CENSORING OF THE COMMENTS THATS DIFFERNT FROM YOU. Thats another of taking away of free speech by the gun-idiots

For the collapsing of comments you should read the TOS and take it up with nbcnews. The vine is an equal opportunity democracy. Actually it takes fewer comments to get a star than a collapse. As to taking of Rights.... this site is NOT a government run entity. No one is denying any persons Right of free speech. Theirs was simply shouted down.

Disturbing how so many people here can't fathom what it takes to be in a war. I chose to enlist in the U.S. Navy under my own free will. Serving during Desert Shield/Desert Storm taught me how fragile life truly is. It also taught me how to be a man and appreciate what a wonderful country we have to call home where we can pretty much do as we please as long and we don't cause harm to others.

Chris Kyle chose to be a Navy Seal and use his skills to EXTERMINATE THE BAD PEOPLE on this planet...foreign or domestic...from plotting against or destroying INNOCENT people. Insurgents ARE NOT INNOCENT PEOPLE...TERRORISTS ARE NOT INNOCENT PEOPLE. What Mr. Kyle has done in the passed is not something he "bragged" about...as stated in many interviews, he chose to reflect on those THAT HE MAY HAVE/HAS SAVED. As many of you ignorant people on here bashing Mr. Kyle, you really need to consider one thing, YOU SHOULD BE THANKING HIM BECAUSE HE HAS GOTTEN RID OF SO MANY BAD PEOPLE WHO COULD HAVE POTENTIALLY HARMED YOU AND/OR YOUR FAMILIES...and you ignorant people are so oblivious to that fact.

PTSD is a disease, and for those crucifying Mr. Kyle by saying he should have never had a former military member with PTSD at a shooting range. Ever stop to think who better to assist and guide someone through PTSD than SOMEONE WHO SUFFERED IT HIMSELF??? Or would you rather have some Ivy League pompous doctor lay you out on couch to "walk you through the steps of normalcy" ??? All you judgmental imbeciles can't think beyond your own noses.

I weep for those that have suffered at the hands of bad people...I pity the morons of the future who cause harm to the innocent.

Remember folks....it's not the guns that kill people...IT IS THE PEOPLE WHO KILL PEOPLE.

Oh, and by the way, to all those that hate and disagree with me, YOU'RE WELCOME FROM EVERY MILITARY MEMBER WHO HAS OR WILL EVER SERVE IN THESE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA THAT HAS PROVIDED YOU THE VERY FREEDOMS IN WHICH YOU ARE ABLE TO COMPLAIN ABOUT.

UNGRATEFUL AND UNAPPRECIATIVE B@STARDS....

Oh, I HAVE to respond to Swan37! You are entirely right Swan, don't feel bad for the American hero who saved countess American lives in the field, feel bad for the families of the terrorists he took out. That makes perfect sense! I bet after WWII you would have been thinking you would have hated all the returning American soldiers for killing those poor german soldiers and leaving their families dadless. Seriously dude, your moral compass is seriously fuc*** up and you need some serious recalibrating. You may not see it now, but you are WAY out there...so far out there what you said sounds truly bizarre. Get some help!

Hey DonkeyBoy (appropriate name) sorry if I don't think everything the US does is right. Not sure how you can call someone a "terrorist" who is defending their country but whatever. I personally think your moral compass is @!$%#ed up along with everyone else's compass that thinks we can invade any country we like and we are still the good guys. We stopped being the good guys long ago.

As for this guy no one forced him to join the military and shoot down dozens of people. While I don't celebrate his death, after killing 160+ people and boasting about it in a book, I don't feel even slightly sorry for him or his family. I'm sure they will collect book royalties anyway.

For all of you idiots using this as a way to mock gun owners and those in favor of the 2nd ammendment. You really are just making yourselves look stupid. You also look like cowards. Clearly this was a case of someone that had serious mental issues doing something heinous when no one expected him to. No one commenting on this story really knows the exact facts behind this incident.

The reason the anti gun crowd are cowards is because they don't have the courage to own a gun themselves so that they can defend themselves and their loved ones. They despise guns because they fear them and they project their fear an anger onto those who own guns by calling them paranoid. They like to think it's because they're above violence but we all know that there will always be people with bad intentions and people who have mental problems who can and will hurt others. But these anti gun folks try so hard to convince themselves and each other that if only there were no guns we'd all be safe and sound. Maybe you should live in England, where there are no guns, like i did for two years. No guns means no deterrent. I've seen people laying in puddles of their own blood at the bus stop. I've had rocks thrown at me waiting for the subway at night and i've had a knife pushed into my stomach. Groups of teens and twenty somethings with bad intentions realize that if there's only one or two of you and four or more of them they might as well rob you.Iif they want to beat the crap out of you for fun, why not do that too... Heck... they KNOW you don't have a gun so they aren't scared to do it and they don't hesitate. Every one owned big dogs for home protection as well. Pretty pathetic if you ask me. How about you anti gun people get a clue and take a class on firearms and realize the intelligent, responsible thing to do is become an informed, well trained gun owner who's not afraid to protect yourself and your loved ones from harm. Think you might have it in you to take on that responsibility ? or are you all the naive cowards i suspect you are?

When the riots (remember LA ?), Hurricanes (remember Katrina ?), tornados, massive earthquakes.. etc come... and you realize that you should have purchased and trained with a firearm.. and you go to your neighbor who is armed for protection because you're now scared SHI TLESS..... just remember you were a stupid, stubborn, Libtard coward who chose to look at things the wrong way and, as a result, you were unprepared at the worst possible time. Good luck with that idiots.

And when your neighbors 7 round magazine is empty and there is still small gang of people with bad intentions about to over take you... you can remember that assault weapons ban you supported as well... Let's face it.. you people know nothing about firearms or their use...People like you shouldn't be commenting on gun control because you don't know what you're talking about, you just know you hate guns and are scared of them and don't want them around... When you need them you'll be sorry you felt that way.

For all of you idiots using this as a way to mock gun owners and those in favor of the 2nd ammendment. You really are just making yourselves look stupid. You also look like cowards. Clearly this was a case of someone that had serious mental issues doing something heinous when no one expected him to. No one commenting on this story really knows the exact facts behind this incident.

Two things: 1) It's "amendment."

2) Being armed doesn't make you safer, despite the rhetoric that has been floating around. If a mental nut can kill a well-trained marksman while he's armed, then they can kill anybody. That means that "more guns" is not a viable solution.

SWAN37...including his family ruined your reply

Mark S: Oh, just shut up, windbag. You're annoying.

There is no such word as 'flamgios'.

TOO BAD HE DIDN'T CAP Sailcat

Ah! Another violent response to a rational argument by an immature gun enthusiasts! Thanks for proving my point, little guy!

The NRA advocates an insane agenda that is responsible for tens of thousands of deaths and injuries due to gun violence every year. If any other group was so publicly determined to see its policies promoted at the expense of so much bloodshed it would be instantly labelled a terrorist organization and its brainless followers would be declared terrorists. Instead, the NRA and it's certifiably insane leader buys off our politicians and is allowed to operate publicly. The group has no common sense, no common decency, and no credibility except in the scrambled minds of the right wing lunatic fringe. What does that say about the sad state of the morals and integrity of its followers? One has only to read Mark's threat of violence to see what they are all about.

Gun control. Now, more than ever, it is the right thing to do.

"It just comes as a shock and it's staggering to think that after all Chris has been through, that this is how he meets his end, because there are so many ways he could have been killed" in Iraq, Scott McEwen, who co-wrote "American Sniper," told Reuters.

Why is it surprising? Live by the sword, die by the sword.

I'll bet Sailcat doesn't have a source to back that last statement up. NRA? Terrorists? Please. Leftists like to refer to that idiot LaPierre like he represents what their association stands for. Try again?

Gun control works, huh? Remember the AWB? By most leftists views, 2004 should have seen a raging increase in crime, unfortunately they just like to sit in their little rooms and shout "IT WORKS" over and over again to themselves even though the statistics provided by the FBI AND the UN state otherwise.

We don't have a GUN problem. We have a VIOLENCE problem. Eliminate guns, criminals will flock to other weapons (not until THEIR guns are gone, though). Getting rid of guns or unreasonably restricting them doesn't make violence disappear.

We don't need more guns, we don't need less guns, we don't need a ton of control, we need a little control. Register all firearms and make straw purchases illegal. That's just about all you need. I would also leave the 86 automatic weapons ban in place. Those things are fun but a waste of money.

Anybody else got a better idea?

Leftists like to refer to that idiot LaPierre like he represents what their association stands for. Try again?

Let me make this easy for you so you will be able to understand it: that idiot LaPierre is the CEO of the NRA. He is the face, the voice, and the odor of that terrorist organization. I know it's difficult for you to grasp the concept, so you may want to get an adult to explain it for you,

All of you a**holes spouting your garbage from you pie holes about soldiers being scum/killers etc...can go to hell. Chris Kyle & all of the past & present soldiers out there follow their orders, serve their country to the best of their ability, & put their lives on the line during times of war. That is more than any of you, calling them names, have done. Show some respect.

My nephew is an army sniper, currently serving in Afghanistan. He is a proud & honorable young American who volunteered to put his life on the line. I'd like to see you loud mouths tell me otherwise in person, face to face, one on one.

Sailcat, please provide me your source that the NRA is a terrorist organization.

And LaPierre doesn't do sh*t for the NRA. It's like saying Petraeus spearheaded the War on Terror.

Nice of you to stoop to such a low level. Personal attacks must make you feel real tough, huh?

Oneslackr, they'd never have the guts to say it to your face. People hide behind silly screen names and are armchair commando's at best. I served this country, my country and yours honorably for twenty years. What many of these pathetic protesting little wads fail to see is that many sacrificed much to protect their right to show us how petty and small they really are.

Blessings for your nephew. You have much to be proud of.

People like sailcat and it's ilk are simply cowards, no point in arguing with them, they dont have enough intillect to comprehend logic.

sailcat and its friends support the murder of babies, they also don't care about chldren and will stand on thier corpses to promote thier agenda's. Now you might think what i say is baseless accusations, but if sailcat and her buddies can make up random things, they would be hypocritical to argue with me doing the same.

But maybe they are right, if we ban the guns we can let all the convicts out of prison, after all without guns to make people do bad things, the convicts will be good citizens again... you anti gun people are soooo very smart. Guns are the devil incarnate!!!

Honorable1 - I'm surprised that at 11 years old, you are so full of ignorance, stupidity and vitriol. Does your mommie know you are abusing your privileges on the internet? You're supposed to be nice to people. Go do your homework now--and concentrate on spelling!

sailcat and its friends support the murder of babies

Goodness, dishonorable! Where did I say that? You are simply retreating into your fantasy world where you are smart and handsome. Sadly, here in the real world, gun enthusiasts are murdering innocent people and the NRA is advocating a policy of terrorism to ensure its feeble minded members can continue to acquire pointless arsenals of deadly toys. That is exactly why gun control is necessary to regulate the commerce and ownership of firearms to protect our children, our families, and our communities. You may now return to your regularly scheduled hallucination, little guy.

Gun control. Now, more than ever, it is the right thing to do.

hey sailpu$$y. Where is your proof about the NRA being terrorists? you make baseless accusations and then cry foul when made against you, they have a name for that, its called a HYPOCRITE. But you know that your an idiotic hypocrite, i am sure you've been told all your life.

Show me the proof, or can you not prove YOUR hallucinations? gtfo of this country, you poisen it with your very existance. And take your buttboy enneagram with you, he is obviously taking the same drugs you are on. We dont need your kind here.

Well needless to say idiots abound once again... Can't remember which one of the idiots it was but please read the story again. The person with PTSD was the shooter. And for all you other idiots claiming these people couldn't defend themselves so guns aren't the answer. It doesn't matter how many guns you have or how good you are with them if a coward you trust and didn't realize was about to kill you comes up and shoots you from behind. Stop jumping to your leftist conclusions that guns can't save your life when attacked based on facts you can't possibly fathom. You truly are the scum of the earth POS!

...they dont have enough intillect to comprehend logic.

Oh the irony. That's too funny.

btw I'm an intellectual.. whatever that means.. ;)

@Dave-2190937 so as long as a
killer w/ a gun only gets to kill 1

or 2 or maybe a handful of people before being stopped by someone else's bullet

(or because the act was a "mere" murder in which only 1 or 2 people

were targets in the 1st place) that is something we should just learn to live

with and accept as a necessary consequence of freedom. (Sorry for double post
& hope this is the right thread, the thread was so long it was hard to find
the reply button, by the time I did locate it was too late to edit the
duplicate)

Still waiting on that source, Sally!

If you are so eager to point out that gun enthusiasts are causing these murders, maybe I should point out the correlation of them being registered Democrats.

Holmes, Lanza, I could go on.

Notice how I refrain from personal insults? I prefer to keep it civil and have an ACTUAL debate.

Probably shot in the back.

If you "cowboys" would ever grow up and stop fantasizing about "fair" shootouts with the bad guys, whomever they may be in your skewed view of the world and reality, you would be able to understand that you have been duped. Kyle went to a foreign sovereign country under false pretenses and picked off 160 of its inhabitants, all based on a demonstrable LIE. Then he claimed to have decked Jesse Ventura for trying to explain to the SEALS that they had been lied to. Good Americans ARE supposed to question why we are invading other countries. If being part of the military makes you unable to do that, then our military is complicit in constructing BAD Americans. 9/11/2001 was an INSIDE JOB. Oklahoma City was an inside JOB. The WTC bombing in 1993 was an FBI run operation. The NEWTOWN shooting is a demonstrable HOAX. Wake up, sheeple!

Kyle should have questioned all that he was told. If he had, he would still be alive today, and still have a chance of going to heaven. He didn't, so he isn't.

1 less NRA member, sounds good too me.

Another mess in Texas...

Someone needs to tell Paul that hysterical paranoia is not a healthy thing. Willful stupidity is not a legitimate argument for anything, either. And it makes him look like a blithering idiot, too.

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One bad guy with a gun,

two good guys with guns,

two good guys dead,

what a shame!

That's just scratching the surface! Think of ALL the 'good guys with a gun' that would have been at the shooting range!

So funny watching the cons' arguments blow up in their face!

One bad guy with a gun,

two good guys with guns,

two good guys dead,

what a shame!

The blatantly obvious point that some people seem to ignore is that these are all good people with a gun until they become a bad person with a gun. Law abiding citizens until they pull the trigger. This is classic example of false equivalency.

When you can't even express yourself in the English language, you have NO credibility. Come back to the discussion when you can write correctly in the English language. How ironic is it that some of these people criticizing our government and President as well as defending guns can't even spell or use proper language skills? Less time at the gun range and local bar and more time in the classroom. Disgraceful and embarrassing to many intelligent Americans who appreciate our country.

"Well-thought out regulation is needed to keep these weapons out of the hands of the wrong people".

As this story well-illustrates, just who are the "right people"? The "good guys" with guns is a "Grim" fairly tale concocted by LaPue and the other gun profiteers. One the research that the NRA stopped through intimidation and manipulation is restored it will be clear to all what every other country knows. Guns add no value to society and take much (life) away. They re a fools "tool" at best.

You live by the gun, you...

Unfortunately, of late many Americans (kindergarteners, doctors, movie goers, Christmas shopper) are becoming collateral damage.

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In your dreams, or is that delusions?

I guess having guns cannot really keep you safe?

Well said birdie-2027235...some will do anything and attempt to make every instance of tragedy all about their issue(s) or platform.

They must not be allowed to cloud the issue...get the mentally ill in a better place whether that be with medications or a more secure living environment, preferably both, away from the rest of society.

IF we're truly SERIOUS about making America a SAFER place TO LIVE then consider this...

In America last year..Death by GUNS----31,940 {19,766 are SUICIDES BTW}

In America last year..Deaths by the MEDICAL SYSTEM-----783,936 {I can break this down in detail if you need me to}

In America last year...Death by cigarettes----- 482,000...

In America last year--- Deaths that are alcohol related...75,000

Deaths by medical profession compared to Guns....Medical profession TWENTY FIVE{25} times more deaths than by GUNS...

Deaths from smoking in the U.s. compared to GUNS.. SIXTEEN {16} times more deaths in the U.s. from smoking than by GUNS..

Deaths cause by alcohol...TWO{2.3} times more deaths in the U.s. From alcohol than from GUNS..

NOW....IF WE ARE TRULY SERIOUS ABOUT HAVING A SAFER AMERICA, THEN DON'T YOU THINK WE OUGHT TO TACKLE THE PROBLEMS FROM WORST TO LEAST INSTEAD OF TACKLING FROM LEAST TO WORST FIRST?...

Fact is if your going kill someone your going to kill someone, whether it is with a gun,knife,baseball bat it's all the same outcome.

That's totally unrealistic. The reason guns are used to kill more people in the U.S. than all other methods combined is that they are so much more effective than any other tool.

Law abiding gun owners understand the personal responsibility that comes with their 2nd Amendment right to bear arms, and therefore the personal inconvenience of reasonable gun safety regulations are not an issue for them - background checks, registration, licensing and other safety measures are all perfectly reasonable measures to keep guns out of the hands of people who have no business having them in the first place.

They are either BLIND and cant see what is happening OR they see, but are in denial..Either way it ain't happening..

...or, it's just you who can't see straight.

Death by guns is what guns are made for. Death by other means are accidental. Guns are made to kill. They are a tool that is designed to kill.

Accidents happen, that's life. When a gun is involved the accident is with a tool that was designed to kill. Cigarettes are now for many states illegal to smoke in public places. Makes sence that we cannot carry in guns designed for killing in public places.

I hope and pray that the worlds population finds tolerance and enough self love to realize we are all mirror images of each other. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind. Combating violence with violence begins a downward spiral of negativity that is drowning us and will be, imho; the end of us. The entire history of this world proves again and again that war is not the answer. No one wins.

So if I use my hands to choke you to death, is that accidental?

Birdie, while it's true that lots of things can be used to kill there is a huge difference. A gun is MADE to kill -- that's its entire purpose. As the old song goes, "It ain't no good for nothin' else". Comparing that to an automobile only makes sense to a republican mind.

Holy @!$%#, THinkwise. You pompous d*ckhead.

COme here to South Georgia, and we can talk about the "ignorant losers who voted for Obama and love him merely because of his skin color, not the content of his political ideologies."

There are more than ample numbers of uneducated, daddy-less, welfare-takin', white-people disrespectin' "liberals" out there.

You're just too aloof to recognize your own ideology's and presidents dangerous limitations and shortcomings as well.

If you want to get rid of guns please keep in mind. Earth is not never has been nor ever will be that magical sunshiny wonderland of peace. The evil in the world loves the unarmed. Sorry, that is not a good thing.

Blade. I agree with you 100%. We need to stop selling things in this country that kill people. In My state we have stopped smoking inside all but in Casino's. But to be sure Smoking kills. The Tobacco Lobby is very strong. Drunk driving kills many people. MADD has stopped many of them. But the Alcohol Lobby is very strong. Gun lobby very strong. Drug Lobby very strong. You see in this country as long as someone can make tons of money on selling things that are known to kill people, well all is well as long as someone can make a profit from it. These are the things Government is to protect us from. The things we put up with!!!!!

those who beat their guns into plow shares,will plow for those who don't.

It's shameful what we turn a good mans death into, especially without nkowing all the facts. You anti gun liberals have caused more deaths then any gun ever will. Fighting to give our prisoners a better life while in jail, helping push medications on our mentally disturbed. The killer is the person that pulled the trigger.

Disarming law abiding citizens isn't the answer. That will work just like alchohol prohibition. During the last "assault rifle" ban you could buy foreign made AK47s with 100 round magazines and a 1000 rounds of ammo for $300. Who do you think will be buying those?

People need to quit comparing the United States to the UK. If you want to compare us to a country where you can be arrested for speaking out against its government, then you don't know what being an American is or do you deserve to be one.

To many people are putting Kyle down on here. He was a good man, soldier, father, husband, friend, and American. He deserves nothing but your respect.

WELL SAID SMELBUN.....these Godless liberals sure want our guns really bad for some reason.....and it isn't for safety reasons....we are going down the same path as germany did with Hitler....he made many speeches about gun regestration and control before he was ELECTED! (There is nothing new under the sun) He stated,"gun regestration and regulation is the key to disarming the people". It's funny how now that everyday it seems someone is getting shot.(things that make me go HUMMM). The State-controlled-liberal news media is lapping this up like the DOGS they are. LIBERALS ARE IDOITS!! Dont insult my intelligence!!!

OK. So this patriot, who was at a shooting range, where he was presumably armed and, without question, an expert - no, the expert - marksman, was shot to death. I guess Lapierre's argument that you can stop gun violence by simply arming everyone just went out the window.

"The State-controlled-liberal news media is lapping this up like the DOGS they are. LIBERALS ARE IDOITS!! Dont insult my intelligence!!!"

Oh please guy give that stuff a break. Think about those 20+ (6-7 year old)kids that got shot up at that school recently. That is reallity my friend, not a bunch of hashed up theories and speculations that you made up to cover up your cowardice, paranoia and gun addiction. Have yourself a cozy night's sleep and pleasant dreams. Nighty night...

'American Sniper' author Chris Kyle fatally shot at Texas gun range

And, according to the NRA, and every whack-job, BuyBull-toting right-winger in this country, he must've deserved it for getting out in front of someone else's bullet...

...becuase, you see, guns don't kill people... BLAH BLAH BLAH... (continue here with the mind-numbing, right-wing rhetoric)

the libtards only want criminials to have guns ,but they want the gov't to have even more guns to control the TAXES from US TO PAY FOR THERE LAVISH SELF CONTROL OVER THE PEOPLE THAT THEY USE FOR DISGUIZE, they want "TOTAL CONTROL" ,FCK THEM LIBTARDS and the leaching lifestyles

Mark. Did you run out of lithium this week?

cowboys2012: Dont insult my intelligence!!!

Someone would have to locate your intelligence, first, in order to insult it...

So, you have nothing to worry about.

DMorgan, I have yet to find any intelligence in your posts. You should probably find the end of a barrel, look down it and pull the trigger. In fact all you pussy democraps should follow the previous instructions.

Wow...what an incredible doosh this Routh idiot is. RIP Chris and Chad!

War is a huge waste of every single thing - lives, energy, resources, time, money, etc. etc. The lucky ones are killed outright I suppose.

If the media would focus on the wounded no matter which 'side' they are on we might get sick of this sickness. Go visit Long Beach VA hospital and see some of these shredded veterans who got suckered into fighting for our so-called freedom. A travesty. Let's think for a moment on wounded 'enemy' soldiers who don't have access to medical care as they rot to death. For what? Economics.

All of us who still talk about fighting for freedom, as someone far above this post said the last time our military fought to protect an actual threat to our actual FREEDOM was maybe in WW2.

Since then it's all about economic conquest and the freedom to drive cars with cheap gas and oil. Sorry but that's the truth. Why else is are so many foreign countries so angry with us muscling in and jerking nations around like we own the place. It's about time for us to quit this sh*t and behave better as part of the world of nations.

I'd be the first one to pick up a weapon if our country was invaded believe me. But to send innocent children, our own youth, to other nations is insane.

And, HobieSun shows us the mentality of all these whack-jobs: anyone you disagree with should eat a bullet.

Do you wonder why there are so many of these kinds of killings going on? Really??

@CaliforniaFirst, being at a firing range and even shooting at a firing range does not mean one is armed and ready to shoot 100% of the time. in fact, it's probably closer to 5% ~ 10% of the time. unless one is mentally deranged (aka the shooter in this article), the only time a gun is in your hands, loaded and ready to fire is when it is aimed down range at a target.

please, if laws are to be passed, lets do it with knowledge and understanding of the subject matter.

@ Gimmeabreakoradrink

Right on.

The killer, eddie ray routh, was/IS a post midEast war action PTSD Schizophrenic and NOW will Finally be Institutionalized AFTER THE DAMAGE IS DONE!!!!!!. Routh was taking his "medication" which Big Pharma smilingly gave him knowing IT IS WORTHLESS BUT VERY Profitable, while making SURE there are NO facilities SUCH AS OUR Federal and State Mental Hospitals Open to Retain these Very Dangerous individuals.

America WILL HAVE An American Universal National HealthCare System with FULLY Equipped Psychiatric Outreach Teams with "Examine and Retain" Authority Like Our SANE ALLYS Have. To Bad for insurance corporations and Big Pharma PROFITS who connive Hand over Hand with eachother to make Their Killings while these dangerous individuals are out on the streets Doing Their Killings.

America wants Lethal Standing Armed Forces? Well then Violent Video Games, Guns and Violent Movies will Continue to be available to All and Any. We Cannot Have IT BOTH Ways. Does Denmark, For Example, have a Lethal Army, Air Force Marines And/or Navy??? NO, as Their people live in a Well managed and reasonable Sane and Stable Society of Danes with Socio/Economic Garanties Including A National Universal healthcare system; As does Sweden, Finland, France, Germany And So On and So On.

RIGHT NOW America needs An American Universal National HealthCare System With Fully Equipped Psychiatric Outreach Teams, REOPENED and Running Federal and State Mental Hospitals And And!! AND!!!!!! A 60% Tax on the Rich and their Corporations Causing this God Damned mess to begin with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! General Electric, given tax write off money, over $200Million, used those funds to build Factories in the Far East, Made $9Billion and paid $1000 taxes. You like that? Plus All these NutJobs Running loose including the HIGHEST Number of Female Stalking Serial Killers IN THE WORLD Killing our Women. No Wonder The Ladies have to look over their shoulders when out and alone.

No Guns, Then No Violent Movies and Video Games; Then Banning Knives, BaseBall Bats, FootBall, Rope, Chlorox, Over the counter cold remedies? And It goes on and on. What about the Cancerous Politico Crooks on Crapital Hill and State Legislative Assembies?? We SHOULD Ban them FIRST. But NO! Ironically, POLICE GUNS garanty these Monsters their Powerful Postions. There Is A Solution and We Can Do This American Evolution.

freecascadian, you think the NRA controls the liberally biased MSM???????

How do you lose your 1st amendment rights? By taking away your 2nd amendment rights.

someonespecial-3491880

Want to tell us more about the "stand".

Looks like the trigger hppy boys re going to shoot their load before they get to the "stand"

Mike: Yeah, thety're shooting alll the paranoids

We'd never hear about 1/10 of these shootings normally, now media jumps on everyone, how about they report on all the good shootings like where a mom saves her family, or an elderly person blows away a burgarler...

I agree, especially since Obama is or may be brought up for impeachment very soon.

Let me guess, you're against any type of mental health screening for guns.

The Manchurian Candidate?

I'm far from being a conspiracy theorist , but I have wondered the same thing, Mike. Like, what are the odds that the 15-year old girl who performed for Obama would be killed by a random shooter a few days later? The number and type of shootings that are happening lately seem... peculiar.

I don't come here to NBC much anymore: it is too much like viewing Oprah. NBC is the antithesis of Fox.

Who was the A hole that said the President was going to be impeached? Got to be some dumb ass from TX. The House couldn't even get enough votes to Impeach the president if they tried. All they could do is spend a bunch of tax payers money. More to the Point. We The PEOPLE will not stand for it. Not again. I wish TX would just leave the Union. Mexico will take over TX again. I say good reddens, they wouldn't make it one year. They would be begging us to take them back. So go for it TX. The USA don't need you will soon see how much you need the USA.

@chuck didn't you know that standing up to the gun manufactuerers lobby group the NRA is the grounds for impeachment. Just like lying about "not having sex with that girl " was but lying about WMD and causing thousand of deaths is justifiable. So he needs impeached because of standing up to the great and wonderful NRA.

Should never have written a book about His killings with a gun. Pisses all the other gun slingers off. All gun slingers think themselves better than all others. This was likely an act of removing the competition. May the American NRA be praised!

PTSD can have destructive consequences on its victim and to those around him or her, if left to go on without proper treatment. In this case the defendant's going to get, "treated," one way or another. This isn't the first time I've heard of a PTSD victim turning violent and taking it out on the people helping them. But to put a firearm into the hands of one that hasn't fully recovered from their illness borne in the theater of combat, is very risky, if not folly.

Also, my condolences goes out to the members of their surviving families.

Do you have any concept of what serving your county is? Perhaps you should be more respectful of those who died so you could say such foolish and selfish things.

This just proves you're safer in a combat war zone than you are in the USA.

I apologize if the last bit about live by the sword, die by the sword offended anyone. Taking a life, even under the most justified of circumstances leaves a terrible weight on the soul. Sometimes that weight manifests itself as PTSD. When Chris Kyle shot those boys in Iraq, he was doing what he believed was his duty to his country and his people. The boys he shot were doing the exact same thing. That is why I hope in death his soul is able to make peace with theirs. I wish all of you who commented on my original comment peace and a good day. I try to have no ill will towards anyone.

RR123 has written,perhaps,the most anti American post ever on this website at post 7.6

RR123. Seriously? You, sir, are a jerk. If your god doesn't take sides, then why are you and your kind always praying to him to "take your side" on various issues...like praying that your f**king football team will win. Pathetic.

Religion has nothing to do with this story. Craziness has everything to do with it.

RR123- Snipers risk their lives by going behind enemy lines with no more than a few other soldiers, sometimes just a spotter. The men he killed were fighting back and they had weapons or were helping the insurgents in some way. Snipers watch targets sometimes for days before pulling the trigger. His actions probably saved hundreds of lives. Remember your right to run your un-American mouth was made possible by men/women you fought for this country. You can hate the war but you should never hate the soldiers, marines, sailors, or airmen. I like your Bible reference, "thou shall not judge" should be something you read in the near future.

From Revelation:

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints."

From Matthew:

Put up again thy sword into his place: for all they that take the sword shall perish with the sword

Don't quote the Bible johnnyt unless you are fully knowledgable of it.

For a start Christians can rest assured that being a soldier is highly respected throughout the Scriptures and know that such service is consistent with a biblical worldview.

The first example of military service is found in the Old Testament (Genesis 14), when Abraham's nephew Lot was kidnapped by Chedorlaomer, king of Elam, and his allies. Abraham rallied to Lot's aid by gathering 318 trained men of his household and defeating the Elamites. Here we see armed forces engaged in a
noble task—rescuing and protecting the innocent. There are many more verses for Armies such as 1 Samuel 13:2; 24:2; 26:2, 2 Samuel 15:19-22, 2 Samuel 11:1; 1 Chronicles 20:1-3, 1 Chronicles 27, 1 Kings 10:26, Matthew 8:5-13, Matthew 8:5; 27:54; Mark 15:39-45; Luke 7:2; 23:47; Acts
10:1; 21:32; 28:16.

The places and the titles may have changed, but our armed forces should be just as valued as the centurions of the Bible. The position of soldier was highly respected. For example, Paul describes Epaphroditus, a fellow Christian, as a “fellow soldier” (Philippians 2:25). The Bible also uses military terms to describe being strong in the Lord by putting on the whole armor of God (Ephesians 6:10-20),
including the tools of the soldier—helmet, shield, and sword.

Yes, the Bible does address serving in the military, directly and indirectly. The Christian men and women who serve their country with character, dignity, and honor can rest assured that the civic duty they perform is condoned and respected by our sovereign God. Those who honorably serve in the military
deserve our respect and gratitude.

In regards to "live by the sword you shall die by the sword" you need to look closely at that verse...the verse's whole meaning is to "turn the other cheek" ... a tongue can be a sword, if you were to cuss out someone who is cussing you (this person being seriously mentally ill and you not knowing this) that person may just pull out a gun and shoot you. In this case you died by your own sword, that being your mouth/tongue.

AntiFarLeft: Do you have any concept of what serving your county is? Perhaps you should be more respectful of those who died so you could say such foolish and selfish things.

Only a right-wing moron can, in one sentence, praise people for protecting the first amendment -- and simultaneously -- whine and complain about someone who exercises it. Honestly, you BuyBull-thumping, mindless right-wingers NEVER think, do you? You people should never have dropped out of the third grade, even after your second try...

LAB. Newsflash: quoting your unprovable cult book doesn't make it real or factual. It is still an unprovable, mythical cult book.

At the same time, it is probably the most illogical, ridiculous, self-contradicting, violent, hateful, mysoginistic, racist and foul of any of the cult books ever written in history. That people still follow such neanderthal, mind-numbing bronze-age nonsense is frankly mind-blowing. Thank goodness that at least 70% of the people on earth simply disregard that loathsome book for the crap that it is...

RR123, wack job creationist. Go back to France or Canada you fool. You should be hung for talking poorly about someone who fought for your rights that you don't even want. I hope your God sends you to hell you POS.

Actually the Bible is scientifically proven. Not only do we have fulfilled prophecy, there is Archaeological evidence and the Bible is consistent in what it teaches. We have manuscript evidence, plus the countless Atheists who have gone out to "prove" the Bible in unprovable, only to become Christians :)

I'll continue to quote the Bible and love, you can continue to be full of hate. But I must say...DMorgan, you NEED Jesus Christ :)

Have a blessed, lovely day :)

LAB71: Actually the Bible is scientifically proven.

LMMFAO!!!

Wow, talk about DRINK THE KOOL-AID!!!

(PS -- nobody NEEDS your mythical jesus creature, or any other mythical creature. Cheers!!)

LAB71.....I feel that the message The Prince Of Peace delivered has not been received by some. Why is it that there are many, many religions groups proclaiming that THEY have the TRUE WORD.....how can this be?

"Interpretation' is a wonderful thing when people start looking for ways to justify their positions.

And that's just to do with Christians. There's still many other widely followed Religious Beliefs also being practiced.

RR123...you are a POS.

I think whatever happened here it's devastating that one of our own who proudly served his country is being disrespected by so many here.

I didn't know the guy, don't know what happened and I never read his book, but by God he deserves to be regarded with more decency than what so many of you are showing.

RIP and I hope justice comes your way sir.

Kyle wasn't randomly shooting people in a parking lot. This man was sent by his country to fight in a war and you think that him being shot and killed at home was deserved? POS doesn't even begin to describe it. It sounds as though you believe that every American soldier who fought and killed the enemy in defense of this nation deserves to die. I know that can't possibly be what you're saying, right?@!?

Bria,

To call you a moron is insulting to morons

joemike404 Good point- sadly it has to be made.

He was a 'career' soldier, which means he made a CHOICE do do what he did and then wrote about it. (probably the wrong choice) Soldiers who were DRAFTED and were put in a situation where they had to kill or be killed is very different from several tours of knowing what you will most likely be doing.

Fly away birdie, freedom didn't grow on a tree you silly little thing- Lay off the pot honey.

Do you think people in the military join for target practice? Sheesh.

Birdbrain, you sound like a complete idiot, and undoubtedly are. This man served his country in combat, and did what he was given orders to do, saving other soldiers' lives as a result. You have no idea what war and combat is, probably never served in any branch of the military, and are sure to be one of the OWS crowd.

Srich, i feel bad for the guy and don't blame him for anything. His orders are not for him to question. but the people who sent him there should have been.

over 400k people died in Iraq from direct or indirect result of the invasion of the wrong nation. Try telling a father or mother who found their 6 year old with no head left, that the Iraq invasion was about freedom.

George, the war in Iraq was about freedom, just theirs, not ours. The point of the invasion was to remove a dictator from power and promote freedom for the Iraqi people. Was that our decision to make? Absolutely not. Should we have invaded Iraq? No. As it turns out, unfortunately, the war will have been for nothing and another dictator will rise and control Iraq just like the last dictator.

Why did Obama bomb Libya? Obama had NO approval from Congress Or the American People to Bomb Libya.

George Bush had Congressional Approval, Approval of the American People, and Approval from the United Nations.

Saddam Hussein said he had Weapons of Mass Destruction and was going to use them on Americans. Hussein REFUSED to allow Nuke Inspectors to inspect all his "hidden" weapons storage places. The entire Free World was against Saddam Hussein.

Gaddafi in Libya was cooperating with the USA and had been for 10 years. Gaddafi had turned over all weapons of mass destruction to the USA.

Those who said Saddam Hussein had nothing to do with 911 are just ignorant. Saddam Hussein made Photo Ops of him giving out Money to the families of the 911 Terrorists.

The reason to bomb Iraq was to enforce United Nations resolutions against Iraq and to protect American Lives.

Libya was trying to be friends with the USA just like Egypt. But, just like Egypt, Libya was a more Secular Government and did not enforce Sharia Law. Women were not slaves in Libya and Egypt like the are NOW.

Gaddafi had to die because he knew that Barack Husssein Obama worked for Bill Ayers in the coordination with Terrorists to bomb the WTC in Apr 92 and again in 911. Osama Bin Laden also knew Brother Barack Hussein Obama.

Bill Ayers book, Fugitive Days, was released in New York City on the morning of Septemeber 11, 2001

Obama's money to go to Harvard was from a Prince in Saudi Arabia. Google it.

If you travel in Europe or the Mid East its common knowledge that the USA is the biggest sponser of Terrorists in the World, right out of Chicago.

By the way, according to the Left Wing Liberal Democrat Socialists.....Bombing Libya without legal grounds or provocation puts O B A M A in the WAR CRIMINALS hall of fame.

joemike404 - you can't really believe that the invasion of Iraq was about Iraqi "freedom", can you?

Look, I commend Kyle for his service and the task he had to perform, but the invasion of Iraq was never about Iraqi freedom...if you truly believe that, I have a country I'd like to sell you.

And in case you can't even remember the incredibly stupid reason our President/Government led us to this war, I'd suggest you go read up on 9/11, that boondoogle and its aftermath of fear.

JoeMike-Go back and see just which country helped install and then supported that "dictator" who was such a hindrance to the Iraqi peoples' freedom! Then have a look at Egypt, Shah of Iran, Panama ...etc.. The recent military incursions to the Middle East have nothing to do with "Freedom" except teh large multi-national corporations freedom to extract wealth. I respect but feel very sorry for the young men and women that put their lives on the line, believing it is "For their Country".

And here we have Brian....another limp wristed libby pos.

If you can't tell the difference that's pretty sad.

Sgation I think it's "funny" that you sit there is judgement with the freedom fought for you by that man and speak so ugly- but he'd likely say you're welcome and be glad you have the right to speak your "entitled" mind.

Where do you get ideas like that? Do you even try to filter fact from propaganda?

How often did Saddam prevent you or any other American from enjoying your so-called freedoms or speaking your mind?

The man was a murderer and someone murdered him. End of story.

Yeah but where is the honor and respect?

Why boast about killing that many?

Human race wont get anywhere when they continue to celebrate violence and then condemn it in cases like these mass shootings.

Yet the wiki leaks guy gets in trouble for exposing what really goes on out there.

I am sure Mr. Kyle is a stand up guy. I am just giving my opinion on our culture.

Either way never nice when people are killed. My thoughts to the families.

Sgation I think it's "funny" that you sit there is judgement with the freedom fought for you by that man

Iraq never ever posed any threat to our freedoms that was a fantasy dream of the neocons and Bush get over it.

I didn't read the book and I don't support boasting about anything.

I don't know what happens to a person when they have a job like that and that kind of purpose- but I give him the benefit of the doubt.

Anyone who served deserves that much from us, no matter how we feel about war.

Sgation I don't think your a troll like so many here right now, but I still offer the man my thanks for his service.

Very good point. Probably not the place for this sort of discussion.

Fair enough, good day then.

Perhaps before you say he is boasting about it you should read the part in the book or watch the TV interviews where the writer asked him to do it. He said he would have preferred to write the number of soldiers he saved from ambush or snipers.

Hitler wasn't killing Americans either, why did Roosevelt kill us there?

You meant "send us there," I assume.
Read an unbiased history book and you'll have your answer. He held back until everyone else, in particular Britain, made all the big sacrifices and did most of the dirty work. When it became inevitable that we were next on Hitler's list, we finally helped and took the accolades—in our minds, at least.

Saddam whacked over a million of his own people, including using chem weapons on the Kurds.

Which is none of our business. But assuming the US somehow has the right and obligation to police the world, how do you figure Iraq is better off for our actions?

They were a fairly stable state with Islam under control. women dressed as they pleased, attended college, and held high-level jobs. Now their entire infrastructure is destroyed and radical Islamists have taken over what was once a fairly secular state. Instead of some people being murdered by a despot, now everyone lives in an endless nightmare, thanks to the United States. And Islamic psychopaths have endless material with which to recruit impressionable young wannabe terrorists.

Clinton went to Bosnia to cover up Monicagate. He's a hero of yours I assume.

Grow up.

Hitler did't attack us, he couldn't even take Britain during the battle of Britain well before we sent people over to fight. If you can say Bush was responsible in an illegal war for the killing of americans who had no business being there the same applies to WWII and europe. Let them handle their own problems right? Just sell guns tanks and ammo to the russians who didn't need our help.

Obviously you have no clue on life in Iraq under Saddams rule.

Grow up? Thats exactly when we went to Bosnia, and we had less business there than Iraq.

You have a faulty memory or lack the knowledge of WW2. Japan bombed Pearl Harbor, we declared war on them. Germany as an allie of Japan declared war on us. So Germany did attack the US. They were sinking our ships in the Atlantic with their U boats.

The only thing worse then the Wacko fringe of the left, is the Wacko fringe from the right. Funny how both think they are the "mainstream" of America. lol real Americans usually just shake their heads in disbelief. /shake shake shake.

@paul when you get to Truthy, you confuse them. lol

Oh I know WWII well. Sinking our boats because they were arming the Brits, lend lease act, and russians well before Pearl Harbor. What business of that was ours? Let europe handle it, same logic as Iraq, let them handle it. Declaring something is not an attack. The Russians needed no help after they held at Stalingrad.

Oh, and the Russians, our allies, never declared war on Japan. THey were slaugtering the germans. We could have not gone to the fight in Europe. We pretty much handled the pacific on own with some Brit, Aussie and NZ help.

russsians were able to hold off and defeat the germans by our giving them arms and supplies!they would not have held stalingrad or anything else WITHOUT US. even stalin said that,he asked us for help and even complained that we were not acting fast enough,esecially in the opening of the second front!

After reading some of these posts on here, I can say without a doubt that America is doomed..With all the information available on the Internet, you'd think people would be smarter, but the exact opposite is happening..All I can say is for people to TRY and read a HISTORY book sometime and NOT rely on the MEDIA to form EVERY SINGLE THOUGHT AND OPINION for us.To put it simply...We're F U C K E D

This blog is not about WWII so I'm going to say something about WWII and I hope this will get the blog back on track. This blog is about a brilliant military man with a precious family who was shockingly murdered and that's where things need to focus. My prayers are for his wife and family at this terrible time. I hope they will find solace somewhere. I hope his wife can find the support she needs to deal with the grief yet still be a mother to her grieving children. I can't imagine what an awful ordeal that is going to be. Those poor children, losing their Daddy like this...

Now, Britain was defeated. They were in terror, just waiting to be invaded. France and most of Europe was occupied. Pretty much all of North Africa and the Middle East was occupied. The Soviet Red Army was being routed by Wehrmacht. Hitler really was taking over the world.

We supplied the needs of our allies when their factories were in ruins. Stalin could not have turned the war around in The Soviet Union without the massive aid we sent them in the form of weapons, vehicles, aircraft, medicine, and even tents and mess kits. They took Berlin and Eastern Europe. And they didn't give them back until the Soviet Union collapsed!

While we were supplying our allies we were also driving the Germans out of Western Europe, North Africa, the Middle East, and South America. We fought their U-boats all over the world. All the while we were also fighting the Japanese. We did all that in three and a half years! Then, we kept the Soviets from taking over all of Europe, as they had in the Eastern part of that continent. Yes, we were the dominant force in that war. The greatest nation in history was the US during WWII and I don't think the world will ever see anything like that again.

As is evidenced by the the attitudes in this blog- this country is so fragmented and polarized in so many directions that we could never pull together and share a common view if our freedom was ever perceived to be at stake again. Furthermore WWII left us feeling very guilty about the collateral civilian casualties that bloodied our hands during that horrible conflict. Notably, the carpet-bombings of Germany, the bombing of Dresden, the incendiary bombings of Tokyo, and, of course, the nuclear attacks on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. We can no longer accept innocent deaths as acceptable in a war scenario although our enemies don't seem to have a problem with it. This makes warfare very difficult for us. It will have to be up to another nation to lead the way if a new "Hitler" should appear on the horizon.

There. Enough said about WWII. Let's get back to the real subject.

I can't believe people are comparing Iraq with Nazi Germany

Chris Kyle risked his life in Iraq to save the lives of hundreds of other soldiers. He taught GUN SAFETY, was a member of the NRA and was staunchly against socialism, communism and the clueless idiots that think gun control would prevent crime. His death and disrespectful stupid comments such as "live by the sword etc" underscore our decaying unethical society. If not a gun then an arrow, a knife, a hit and run with a vehicle, poison etc. what difference does it make. My guess is that the killer was an anti gun liberal who viewed Kyle as the enemy. We all know that minorities are responsible for 90+ % of violent crimes (gun and otherwise) in America. Since Obama & Biden were elected by these mooches, why don't all Obama supporters turn in their guns and weapons and we would have a safer society. Why do you crime infested liberals trying to impose your distorted views on law abiding families who need to have a gun to protect themselves against people like you. You will never be successful and may end up causing a war if you keep pushing your agenda. Do you want more innocent people to die unnecessarily because of your actions?

" If not a gun then an arrow, a knife, a hit and run with a vehicle, poison etc. what difference does it make. My guess is that the killer was an anti gun liberal who viewed Kyle as the enemy. We all know that minorities are responsible for 90+ % of violent crimes (gun and otherwise) in America."

Ringo is that's why you are stocking up on guns, because of the minorites in your neighborhood ? Or is it because one of them minorites is in the white house and you fear they might come after you ?

" If not a gun then an arrow, a knife, a hit and run with a vehicle, poison etc. what difference does it make. My guess is that the killer was an anti gun liberal who viewed Kyle as the enemy. We all know that minorities are responsible for 90+ % of violent crimes (gun and otherwise) in America."

Ringo, you would think that Jewish Americans would be the first to adopt the NRA stance that you need to defend youself after what they experienced over there in Europe back in the 1940's. And you would also think tha African Americans would be running to gun shops after the experiences they had down south around the same period. You would think that since these people exprienced state terrorism first hand, but that is not the case at all ?

Goodwin's Law

Sgation: I think it's "funny" that you sit there is judgement with the freedom fought for you by that man and speak so ugly- but he'd likely say you're welcome and be glad you have the right to speak your "entitled" mind.

Well, if indeed he'd likely say "you're welcome" and be glad, then why are YOU whining about it? Seems to me like you should STFU and move on...especially since you don't have a dog in the hunt, princess.

xxnam: I can't believe people are comparing Iraq with Nazi Germany

Really? You live in a country full of right-wing BuyBull-thumping whack-a-doo's who know NOTHING about history except the over-christianized versions they get from sunday school and their BuyBull-Home-Schooling, they sit around and compare Obama to Hitler practically every day, they mumble and screech about marxism and communism but never know what those words actually mean -- meanwhile, they try to get a Magic Underwear Mormon Cult Member elected as President.

And ---------- THIS is the comparison that surprises you?

Chris Kyle risked his life in Iraq to save the lives of hundreds of other soldiers.

Soldiers who had no right to be there either. It was a war of aggression and occupation, not self defense. We were not the good guys, get that through your head.

Some of you are so infected with the brain disease of nationalism you can never see when our troops are not right to do what they do (murder for the state). They should have refused to go to Iraq, even on the penalty of jail or dishonorable discharge. That would have been heroic. Going to a foreign nation, however evil their regime might be, that is no threat to us, and killing people is NOT heroic...it's villainous.

But appatrently most people are such sheep that they cheerlead for murder as long as WE do it. You aren't atheists, Christians, Muslims, or Jews...you have a god, and it's name is Government. When your other God (the one from your religions) says "thou shall not kill", you ignore it when the god of Government says "murder for me". I see which is higher in priority, clearly. And the atheists claim to have no god, and to be rational and logical, but when the god Government tells them to murder they cheerlead it as well.

You are all part of the Cult of Nationalism, and the State is your false god. Wave your cross (flag), sing your hymn (anthem), say your prayer (pledge), and have a blood scarifice with your children's lives on the altar of the Cult (soldiers dying in non-defensive wars - all but a handful of our wars)...keep telling your kids these murderers without questions are "heroes", so your kids grow up into this cult of death. Don't dare question, or think for yourselves. Don't use reason or logic. War is Peace, Slavery is Freedom, Ignorance is Strength, Military Interventions are Humanitarian, and Pepper Spray is a Vegetable....right?

If the war was not self defense, the killings that occured were not justified, and therefore were murder. Those who carried out those murders are muerders. Those who use sniper rifles to save the lives of fellow murderers are also murderers. It's that simple, logically. Iraq posed no credible threat to us, period. Our freedoms were not in danger via Iraq, and so logically the soldiers there were NOT defending our freedoms. Stop repeating memes...it's pathetic.

Of course, I'll be looked at as the bad person here, for merely using reason and logic and having a consistent moral code. I'm just pointing out the obvious. This man was no hero.

One last thing...he was a pompous egotistical person. Have you ever listened to interviews with him on the dozens of national radio shows he did? He bragged about punching an elderly former Gov. Jesse Ventura for SPEAKING something. Granted, Ventura is a nut conspiracy theorist, and IF the incident really happened (which is highly unlikely, which would also make Ryan a liar) Ventura was saying 9/11 an "inside job" (nonsense) and our soldiers deserved to die (a step too far, even for me)...but that is no excuse to punch an old man (and veteran) over his freedom of speech, no matter how offensive. Meanwhile Ryan was nationally applauded for this incident (that probably never even happened)! So either he was a liar or a bully. Either way...some "hero". I thought he was defending our rights...like to speech...what happened to that?

I'm sorry his family will suffer from this loss. I don't wish it on anyone. But he was no hero, and wasn't even a good person.

Your a tool. You worship an illegal non native President from Kenya. Im guessing you are a lefty douche because you like my taxes. So you can sit on your lazy douche bag ass and talk @!$%# about an American Hero that followed orders. Thats how jobs work, you work hard, succeed, and be happy. Exactly how to piss off a democrap liberal POS like yourself.

Your a tool. You worship an illegal non native President from Kenya.

Again, you refuse to use logic. That's an ad hominem attack (attacking the debater, not the points of debate), an informal logical fallacy. 2nd of all I'm a registered Republican. I'm a libertarian, which means i'm smaller government and more free market than you'll ever be. Thirdly, you're a conspiracy theorist for saying Obama is Kenyan...so you're as gullible as they come.

Im guessing you are a lefty douche because you like my taxes.

Guessed wrong. I'm for no taxes, as tax is just logically state (compulsory government) extortion. I bet you want SOME taxes...so who is to the "left" of whom here?

So you can sit on your lazy douche bag ass and talk @!$%# about an American Hero that followed orders.

He wasn't a hero, as I pointed out logically. And if simply following orders makes you a hero then I guess all those Nazis that were tried and hung at Nuremburg were heroes....because that was their defense. Following orders is NOT an excuse for murder. These men should have refused their orders because the war was not defensive. That's what a hero does; takes personal risks to do what is right, not take personal risks to do what is wrong. The latter is a criminal, logically.

Thats how jobs work, you work hard, succeed, and be happy.

Huh? I work hard, the govt extorts me. I succeed, and they extort the fruits of my success. I am happy, and will be happier once they quit extorting me.

Exactly how to piss off a democrap liberal POS like yourself.

Your assumptions show your false paradigm thinking...everything is either/or to you. Black and white thinking is symptom of psychosis...and this country suffers from a mass national psychosis. Everything is either Democrat or Republican. Reality doesn't operate is false partadigms like that. I am for wars of self defense ONLY...that doesn't make me "left' or "a Democrat"...it makes me a person with a consistent and logical moral code. I do not worship the state or its hired killers (which is what a military is) when they are not killing to LITERALLY protect me and my rights in a DEFENSIVE war.

As someone who probably believes himself a Constitutionalist, let me ask you a question:

Is it legal for the USA to have a standing Army, according to the Constitution and its Amendments, for more than 2 years after a war has ended (peacetime)? If so, what Section and Article holds this authorization?

There is none. In Article 1 Section 8 it clearly states we can have no standing Army (we can have a standing Navy) in peacetime for a period to exceed two years after the last war (peacetime).

Where has been your outrage about this since that law was broken after WW2 (Roosevelt)? It's been ABSENT...that's where. Because you don't want small govt or the Constitution...you want the parts you like, and want to ignore it where it doesn't fit your rah-rah cheerleading for world Empire. You (a neocon) and liberals (progressives as well) have more in common than you think. Afterall, it was progressive Democrat, President Woodrow Wilson, who started our "police the world" and "make the world safe for domcracy" (at the point of a gun) foreign policy. Neocons and libs/progs alike support Wilsonian foreign policy...Empire. Some conservative you are (sarcasm).

I'm with you pro-individual. You pretty much summed up my feelings exactly. I am gratified to know that there are others who are beginning to see some sort of light in the darkness and willing to try to tell some truth.

War is a sick waste of time. That's all I need to add.

Blade-865322: After reading some of these posts on here, I can say without a doubt that America is doomed..With all the information available on the Internet, you'd think people would be smarter, but the exact opposite is happening..All I can say is for people to TRY and read a HISTORY book sometime and NOT rely on the MEDIA to form EVERY SINGLE THOUGHT AND OPINION for us.

What's worse are the people who stop thinking for themselves the moment they open their goddam BuyBull. You can thank the basic dumbing-down of our society on religion and the BuyBull cults. You should see the historic lies that are propegated in BuyBull-Home-Schooling textbooks.

Not only should we have armed guards, we should arm all shooters at the range. Make sure they're properly trained too!

What are armed guards at the gates of a shooting range going to do? Keep everyone OUT who has a gun?

jesus h nipple. go put your BuyBull in the fireplace, and learn to THINK.

One place an armed guard would have been useful is in the range it's self. I remember in Air force basic training they took us all into a classroom first and explained the M16 and how to assemble and disassemble the weapon, after learning this the instructor said something to the effect of this.

You will be going out to the range now. Remember what you where taught about gun safety because there will be an instructor there with a sidearm.. he WILL shoot you if you even look like you will be mishandling and or pointing the gun any place but down range.

We where also given instructions on how to begin firing and end firing. When we ran out of amo we took our hands off the gun and stepped away. If you did anything other then that, it would be vary possible the instructors would shoot you and ask what happened later.

This WOULD have helped at the range. Someone patrolling the Range floor with a sidearm.

Sarcasm people.

First rule of assassination is to kill the assassin.

Maybe he knew too much?

If only the writers could spell and actually learned something in school. That is, "if" they ever attended school.............

Me, With a name like that we know all you care about.

Air thief, your name speaks for itself.

me:) and airtheif: those are the two best posts of the day lol

Hey Douche...if you're going to try to be witty. At least learn how to spell @!$%#.

Did you think of that all by yourself? Or did you have someone else do it for you much like the liberal way.

AirThief: If only the victoms had guns this would NEVER have happened. Oh, wait...

HobieSun: Did you think of that all by yourself? Or did you have someone else do it for you much like the liberal way.

Oh no, punkin. That thought "if victims were armed, this never would have happened" comes from the mind-numbing conservative way. And, once again, it's the conservative point of view that is proven wrong.

but some of you think all americans should bare arms. while more die each day all over the u.s. i just dont get it continue to stick by your guns conservatives it might just be you oe your family one day. I THINK SOME OF YOU WATCHED TO MANY JONN WAYNE AND RAMBO MOVIES.

This is Texas, you kill someone here, we kill you back.

There are many great posts of condolences....and then a moron like 1SGFitzsWife4ID posts hate and kind of spoils it.

wish we all could HAVE thanked him

You could have thanked him when he was alive. You just didn't.