A 17-year-old boy has been arrested after police say he admitted to throwing a 9-year-old boy off the roof of a Bronx apartment building Friday night, critically injuring him.
The 9-year-old boy was found on the pavement unconscious with severe body trauma in front of the five-story building on Nelson Avenue in Morris Heights at around 8:30 p.m., authorities said. He was taken to Columbia Presbyterian Hospital where he is listed in critical condition.
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On Saturday, police charged 17-year-old Casmine Aska with attempted murder.
According to a police source, Aska told investigators that he threw the 9-year-old boy off the roof after they got into a fight. The boys are not related, but live in same the building.
It was unclear what started the fight or how the two ended up on the roof.
Aska's family did not respond when a reporter knocked on the door to their apartment.


Ban Roof's, I just couldn't resist :P
Says the guy named Antistupidity ~_~
I wish people would stop with this "joke". It wasn't really funny the first time, let alone the millionth time. Not funny, not original....just pathetic.
On another note, here are pictures of the young boy, and the monster, who threw him off the 5-story building: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/bronx-boy-9-thrown-building-roof-article-1.1253865
Duplicate...sorry.
Click on the link for the story that NBC decide to run an abridged or "readers digest" version of. Love where it said:.......
Followed by;....
Well Kevin, I don't think it's a joke as much as a commentary about how government thinks it can save us from ourselves. The fact is that stopping violence of any form has to start with the morals of each individual and government can't dictate morality. That has to come from within.
@John-1283964, while there may be a component of social commentary, the words "I just couldn't resist :P" CLEARLY show he was trying to crack a joke. I do agree with your comments on morality though.
They certainly don't have to wonder what his next act of violence will be. This kid needs to be evaluated as soon as possible to see why he is doing all this violence....That and pay for what he has done.
17 Vs. 9 in the first place is odd, then the fact that the 17 Y.O continued to argue with a 9 year old....Very odd. It tells me something is very wrong with the 17 Y.O mentally ...most that I know would walk away, calling the other kid a name or two maybe even shoving.
So I see this as more of a mental issue over a moral issue.
What kind of parenting did this kid have? Doubt there are any redeeming qualities in this punk.
IA.ScooterTramp, I could not agree with you more. The 17 year old kid has a prior history of arrest and yet people are naive to say he was a good kid. WTF??? The more they get away with crimes, the bigger their crimes get and this is what you get. He was arrested for assault...now for attempted murder. If this little 9 year old boy pulls through does that mean the 17 year old will get off again? So he can be released to not attempt a murder but actually commit a murder...or two murders??? And a 17 year old pegged against a 9 year old? In NY State, isn't a 17 year old considered an adult? Where is the charge for child endangerment? How about a charge for assault against a child? All of that should be enough to lock the 17 year old away for life!! His new home for the rest of his life should be on Riker's Island.
KevinC I noticed a guy below making the ol "give everybody a gun, more guns" joke but I didnt see you making any comments about how unfunny or how old that jokes is. Cmon go get on to him too. After all fair is fair, which is the liberal code of honor. Not saying your a liberal, just guessing really, based on the policing of anti gun control jokes. Atleast the ban roofs joke, as old as it may be, has a valid point to it. Ok let me stop. Just making a little fun thats all. The focus of us all should be on the well wishes of this little boy. I think we all agree on one thing, some serious changes need to be made in this country on many different levels. Im truely open to any possibilities, just not every possibility.
gee the collapse crowd is up early today....long live censorship ......eh guys?
So let me get this straight. A gun was not needed to kill somebody? But I thought if guns were banned, people would no longer have easy ways to kill other people.
this just shows that even without a gun CRAZY PEOPLE will kill others.
I agree that we need to ban roofs. If we didn't have roofs then this would have never happened.
@whatsayu, first, I did not see that joke (I don't read every post). Second, it is not as common as the stupid one I chose to comment about. Third, I have voted Republican every time since my first election in 1980, and I have a license to carry concealed, and I often do. So I am not a liberal, except I do believe in equal rights for gays, and one or two other middle-of-the-road issues.
My comment was nothing to do with being pro- or anti-gun, I am simply tired of that ONE STUPID "joke". There was nothing to read into.
Roofs are NOT the problem here it is the STAIRS! Without stairs roofs can't be accessed therefore eliminating the dangers of the roof itself...common sense folks.
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i dont know about banning roofs but this is why i dont go on roofs or live in high apratment buildings. cant tust any1 these days. sad.
Collapsed posts are the ones I like the most. I always wonder why. Sometimes I can see it other times not so much so. In my opinion I think collapsed posts get read more.
So let me get this straight. A gun was not needed to kill somebody? But I thought if guns were banned, people would no longer have easy ways to kill other people.
this just shows that even without a gun CRAZY PEOPLE will kill others.
I agree that we need to ban roofs. If we didn't have roofs then this would have never happened.
agreed smitty.
GM Scooter, I find collapsed comments usually have facts and are not thought of well. Take care and enjoy the game! Excellent post Jedi.
Actually it was more of a poke at the ban this, ban that, ban the other thing comments, and of course the people that think that banning guns will solve society's ills. Fact is the people that really believe banning anything will solve our problems are naive, we have a cultural problem that starts the absolutely lousy job done by parents, schools, the correctional system, and the mental health system.
Glad to see i got people thinking though. I knew it would get collapsed. Strange how everyone gravitates toward the collapsed post, just as we gravitate toward the things that are banned and the way children always gravitate toward things they are told not to touch. If we take the mystery and prohibition off things and replace them with understanding and awareness I believe we would eliminate a huge amount of the tragedy's we are seeing.
had gov Cuomo"Mussolini" &mayor bloody turdberg Bloomberg banned "hi cap roofs" it would be less deadly if it was limited to just 7 floors instead of nine floors !!!
You can joke all you want about baning roof's but it wasn't the roof that hurt the child. It was the ground!
What is needed is universal background checks to see who should or should not have access to roofs.
It wasnt the ground.....It was the sudden stop!
Read the above linked NY daily news article. This guy deserves the chair.
Sounds like people were scared of this POS. He needs to do life, NY doesn't have the death penalty, but if this kid dies he deserves it. He needs to be in adult general population asap.
I couldn't agree with you more. It only took one million examples for you to realize how stupid the knee jerk reactions to these tragic events are. Remember "Ban assault weapons" was the first time you heard it. Everything else is your own logic used against you.....pathetic.
Yeah steve, like you have morals?
Thanks Anti, but you do know they don't have electric chairs anymore either, right? 'The chair' is just a euphemism for 'death' or just the worst possible punishment.
I'll never say that anyone can't be rehabilitated but they probably shouldn't risk the public's safety for this guy.
Yeah I know, sure do miss old sparky, there was a different feel to it in his day, I know a couple that I don't care if they can be rehabilitated, I still want to see them executed, it's personal.
JediUTahn, then there'll need to be a licensing of grappling hooks. And ladders, don't forget ladders---"Why does anyone in this day & age need an extension ladder?"
Perhaps we need teenager control, rather than roof control.
Antisupidity and others,
How can you be so stupid... it is quite obvious that roofs and stairs are NOT the problem. It's this whole GRAVITY thing! I mean if we were to get rid of all gravity we wouldn't NEED roofs because nothing would fall on us! Not to mention when the poor victim got thrown off, without GRAVITY he would've just floated in place and giggled......
Think of how much money could be saved by the reductions in plastic surgery for face lifts and boob jobs if we could get rid of this GRAVITY issue! Who in their right mind needs GRAVITY anyway?
GRAVITY.... the BANE of all modern civilizations!
(who voted for this law anyway... I know I didn't.... time for a revolution!!!)
This story is further evidence that we in fact have a violence problem, and that is what we as a nation must start to focus on.
No we need more guns! If only that 9 year old had been armed... he probably would have blown his own head off or accidentally shot someone else.
We have a violence AND lack of mental health issue. Just because you're a big pussy for admitting that you aren't the perfect man or woman. Lack of help, lack of caring, lack of money to help with these issues... Again comes the motto of the Republican Parties view on ALL healthcare, Hurry up and die before you cost me money...
This story is evidence that 17-year-old males have anger problems. If that's news to you you haven't been paying attention to life, Cory1980. What was the motive here? Were they fighting over a video game? Does the older male have an undiagnosed psychological problem?
From the moment puberty kicks in until age 25 no male is capable of proper reasoning. They all have a prefrontal cortex that's undeveloped and overwhelmed by testosterone. Unless they have proper supervision and enough exercise they can't be rational. Sometimes their impulsivity overwhelms some of them and they do incredibly stupid things that cause massive harm to others or even kill them. This is not an excuse, it's an explanation of the violence in our society today.
Where is this young man's father? What and who are his influences? Violent music? Other foolish teenagers, postulating and posturing? Take away the influence of strong parenting, and I do not mean spanking or corporal punishment, and kids are lost. People who are interested in them and involved with them enough to care about them and take away their privileges when they make mistakes make a difference in their lives. It's not easy to stay strong but it makes for better young people in the long run.
Parents who are afraid to take away the cell phone, the video games or other privileges when the kid screws up are creating problems. If they respond with inappropriate anger and rage something else is wrong and they require evaluation by a child psychologist and treatment.
This is inappropriate anger and should have been evaluated long past.
Peridot
Violence is a product of anger, and I agree with what you are saying. I am just able to express myself in only one sentence, yet I think we are saying the same thing.
They certainly don't have to wonder what his next act of violence will be. This kid needs to be evaluated as soon as possible to see why he is doing all this violence....That and pay for what he has done.
17 Vs. 9 in the first place is odd, then the fact that the 17 Y.O continued to argue with a 9 year old....Very odd. It tells me something is very wrong with the 17 Y.O mentally ...most that I know would walk away, calling the other kid a name or two maybe even shoving.
So I see this as more of a mental issue over a moral issue.
Peridot-1693859, excellent analogy!! Parents today are not parenting. There is no excuse for not doing their job as a parent. A parent's #1 concern should be the upbringing of their child(ren). I have a very good friend who was raised in a bad neighborhood. His mother made sure he stayed out of and away from trouble. She had to meet each and every friend and their parent(s) to understand where their values and morals stood. Until he was in high school, she would not let him away from the house unless she or another parent was present. In high school he was not allowed to linger in parks. He had to be in his own house, an approved friend's house (where she could contact him). There were no cell phones in the 70s & 80s...just landlines. He had to phone when he got to the house. She would call to tell him when it was time to go home. When she was working he was not out of the house unless prior arrangements were made with another parent or relative...that included phone calls. His television privileges were limited especially on school nights.
His upbringing as a black boy in Cambria Heights, NY was no different than my upbringing as a white girl in a rural town in New Hampshire. We both went to private Catholic Schools with both parents in the home. The difference was that I grew up in a violent home with an abusive father that also molested me. Yet both of us turned out to be great people...owned businesses out of high school, went to college and have good jobs on Wall Street.
Today's parents rely on cell phones...so naive because the child can be anywhere but where they are supposed to be. PCs and laptops are the babysitters, most parents do not monitor what their child views on the web, TV or in the movies. A good kid is not someone who gets into fights, does drugs or drinks alcohol and has an arrest record (sealed or unsealed).
So let me get this straight. A gun was not needed to kill somebody? But I thought if guns were banned, people would no longer have easy ways to kill other people.
this just shows that even without a gun CRAZY PEOPLE will kill others.
I agree that we need to ban roofs. If we didn't have roofs then this would have never happened.
John Haddock, your analogy of a roof-top is irrelevent to gun violence. I take it that "comprehension" was not a strong element in your schooling?
Violence is the symptom...not the cause. What cultural drumbeat do you hear coming from DC? Unite and support each other? Divide and conquer? I won, and am stronger so submit or die? Respect each other? Leaders (good or bad) set examples and National tones, even with such simple dis actions as juvenile eye-rolls.
The 17 year old already has a rap sheet that includes robbery, assault and menacing, yet was still on the streets.
I'm sorry to be blunt, Mr. Haddock, but that is a foolish "strawman" response. No one that I have heard thinks that making more regulations apply to ownership of firearms will eliminate deaths (suicide/homicide/accident) by them. The hope and the intention is that with thoughtful regulations that don't allow huge loopholes, we can bring down the number of these extremely sad (death by firearms) cases. We haven't banned cars in this country, have we? But we have reduced the number of fatalities from over 50,000 (at a time when our population was about 2/3 what it is now) per year, to about 35,000 annually now. How have we done that? Improved safety measures in cars, both in general design and in specific safety features; improved design of roadways and traffic patterns; tougher laws related to drinking and driving and distracted driving; new laws and regulations related to new and young drivers; these have been some very helpful measures to deal with the horrible waste of human lives. We got those laws because we demanded them, as a society. No one expected there would be no more traffic fatalities, so any new laws, therefore, would be pointless. Your silly, knee-jerk response intended to refute the idea of new gun regulations instead makes you out to be something of a weak mind, and that is exactly what we do not need in this discussion. Just to clarify, was it 26 or 27 people that young man pitched off of the roof, and did they all perish?
My thoughts are with that poor little boy and his family.
Julieann, I take it that "Comprehension" was not your strong suit, either. John Haddock was using sarcasm. If you do not know the meaning of the word, get someone to look it up in the dictionary for you.
theres nothing to focus on. violence is americas culture. it wont change. nothing ever changes in this nation and never will. what we can do is try our best to stay away from bad ppl and troublemakers and always watch your back and avoid drama. i dont even go on roofs cuz its sad but you just cant trust any1 anymore. poor kid.
Hey Julieann, yes my schooling sucked. I went to a school with teachers who were liberal. I was taught by the best. Don't you agree? our public school system is the best and the teachers there taught me liberal beliefs. They are coming out in my posts.
and yes I am using a strawman argument, but so does Obama. If a strawman argument is good enough for him, it should be good enough for me. So you have to accept it.
Anutha brutha with a gangsta mentality....throw him off a roof....no, really.
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn rooftop" - Barack hussein obama
If you are MALE....think back to when you were 17 years old. Were you hanging out or getting in fights with random 9 year olds from your neighborhood? If you are NOT mentally or socially retarded, your answer is **NO**.
There's more to this story than a 30 seconds to read *news report* on the internet.
Any 17 year old worth their salt would walk away from a 9 year old--no matter what the kid said or did. This 17 year old needs to be removed from society-he is a danger.
Good thing Casmine didn't have a gun he might have shot the 9 year old! see gun control does work!
John Haddock. You missed the point it was not the roof that caused the problem here it was gravity lets ban gravity. Never blame the perp it not PC.
What gun control. See, it didn't matter.
We have a problem of not locking up criminals! It's not guns, it's not mental health care, it's courts that won't do their job!
Charge him as an adult. No bail, he is & will remain a danger to society at large. Wait until the child has either recovered or passed on, then adjust the charges so that he will face prosecution on the highest possible level of charges. Once found guilty sentence him as harshly as the law allows.No early release regardless of behavior.
Best wishes to the little boy, & to all of the inter-related family members.
When I was 9, I had to be back home when it got dark and I didn't live in a city. My parents knew my friends and who I was with when I left the house. I think they would have thought it quite strange if I was hanging around with someone who was 17.
Obviously the 9 year old's fault. If he had been packing heat like he was "supposed to", then he could have stopped this from happening, right, NRA?
the whole problem is people turning to violence as a solution to their problems, banning anything will not accomplish jack squat.
Well said, OldDog. Why is it everytime someone is violent, it becomes a mental health issue? Stop playing the mental health card everytime something happens. People need to be accountable for their actions. Yes, anger is dealt with through mental health. But you are not going to tell me that angry people suddenly develop a fugue state and are not aware of their actions. Bulls***. The courts do a terrible, terrible job of not locking up law offenders because "it's too expensive". Prime example, St. Mary Parish last week. Wilbert Thibodeaux shot a killed his neighbor and set the neighbor's house on fire, shot and killed a responding police officer and shot and wounded 2 other police officers. The neighbors started crying mental issues, mental issues. He has no family and they "look after him". He had not been taking his meds the last few weeks, according to the neighbors. Well guess what. If the neighbors are looking after him and they know he was off his meds, then why the hell did they not see about him if they are so concerned? Wilbert was arrested at the casino earlier that week (Tuesday) by the same officer that he killed. Mental issues? Maybe. Revenge? More like it. He was probably very well aware of what he was doing. Neighbors say he had not been acting the same the past few weeks. So you don't try to intervene?Not every criminal has mental issues. IF IT IS A TRUE mental health issue, there is mental health available for everyone, they need to find it and get it, if they have a problem. Help is out there, they need to open their eyes and look for it, it's not going to come to them. It may not be the Ritz-Carlton of mental health but beggers can't be chosers. I have mental health issues, I get angry, but I don't run around being violent. My conditions go far beyond anger. I do not go into a fugue state and no matter how much my issues try to take over, I am very much aware of what I am doing and what is going on at all times. I know, I know. Everyone is different, but you are not going to tell me that everyone that has anger issues is so mental that they are insane. If that is the case, the states and feds better start finding money to build a s***load of hospitals because there are a lot of angry, insane people running around. I guess they are the zombies everyone is talking about. It is said that Louisiana, the state where I live, has one of the worst mental health programs in the country. I disagree. I have a 20 year track record of seeking mental health help from various sources. The last 4 years I have turned to parish and state funded agencies who have not only correctly diagnosed me but have put me a regime which allows me to function and become a part of society. There are plenty of places which offer mental health programs for low to no income and no insurance people. After my track record, I will be the first to tell you that these places offer a much thorough screening and diagnosis than private agencies. I give these places and staff members 5 stars. They deal with all kinds of people, mainly who are less fortunate. They get paid less than private practice, yet they are extremely nice, seem to truly care about their patients and always smile. I am not speaking for the rest of the country, but if Louisiana's mental health programs are some of the worst in the country, then the rest of the country needs to show me why they cannot provide the same level, if not higher level of care than Louisiana.
MSNBC, why the omission of the two boys races ?... It is unusual in that you typically report the race of people involved in incidents like this.
And if one boy was 17, and the other 9, there was no fight, just an attack. Was it racial in nature ? If a white kid threw a younger black kid off the roof it would have been headline news.
the 17 yr old needs to be dangled from the top of the same building untill he cries for his momy and then beat within a inch of his life and i hope the 9 yr old survives to see it done
We unfortunately have become a culture that accepts behavior such as this. Parents no longer parent their children. They are more interested in their own happiness & fun & not interested in setting a responsible example of what a child is expected to become. There are no consequences for bad behavior. We don't hold children back in school if they don't do well, they become the next teacher's nightmare until they too pass them on. I was a single parent & raised a son to be a responsible man. To understand consequences, respect & be a contributing member of society. I did it with no help from his father or the government. My parents are dead & I have no other family so I did it alone. I worked long hours & still provided a stable home for my child. I didn't run around, drink or carouse with my friends. I understood where my priorities were. My son will graduate with his first degree in May & go on to law school. He is putting himself through school working two jobs. He understood & suffered consequences from a young age for misbehavior. He saw what it took to be a good parent. I took him to church because I wanted him to grow up with morals & a sense of right & wrong. He is a great kid who is a good influence on his friends & a joy to be around. I am sick of hearing how people don't have enough money. We have eaten baked potatoes many nights & have become mostly vegetarian not out of choice but because our budget didn't stretch to meat. I don't have a college education but I made sure my son understood what education could do for his life. Until parents start taking responsibility for the children they have & realize it takes hard work & that life isn't all fun & games & no, you don't DESERVE fancy things, you have to work for them, this country is not going to change.
Peridot-1693859 - Seriously, WTF?!? I made it thru being 17-25 quite well. I never killed another, never injured another, never went to jail, etc.. I married, started a family and have raised 4 great children that are now well adjusted contributing members of society. My oldest has even made it thru the 17-25 age bracket without killing anybody, or injuring anybody, or going to jail. Your assertion that 17-25 year old males are stupid, violent menaces to society is simply ludicrous and quite frankly very insulting to myself, my son and most likely several million males that have gone thru the 17-25 year old stretch just as successfully.
This incident, while tragic and appalling, is more a commentary on our failures to recognize and then INTERVENE in a life that was already showing signs of trouble. It starts with parenting responsibly but includes a community of people (teachers, parents, police, clergy, neighbors etc.) to see emerging problems and then care enough to help resolve the problems before they boil over in acts of anger.
Man, what are you people thinking? Or, are you thinking?
We already have the most people in jail, per capita, of any country on earth! Since we are already the worst, do you think that more of the same will fix the problem? Yeah, I guess you do.
Don't you understand that what we have been doing, for generations, does not work?
First thoughts are is this SCUM an illegal alien and if so get his scum as$ and HIS FAMILIES back where they belong !!! That's if he's in country illegally !!!!
Sorry Tilly No sarcasm tag on the above comment. No tag? Then how are we suppose to know you're being sarcastic and not just believing what you say, stupid, trolling or just a @sshole. There is no inflection or facial movement in the written the written word. Hence the need for a tag to make one's point.
There you go again johnny n., putting the blame on the mythical "them", when the problem is the real "us". We, the voters of this country are solely to blame and have been for the last 70 - 80 years.
logic (ˈlɒdʒɪk)
— n
1.
formal logic deduction See also induction the branch of philosophy concerned with analysing the patterns of reasoning by which a conclusion is properly drawn from a set of premises, without reference to meaning or context
Wow, is that not confusing? Where are you amused muse?
Look at the results, logically, and you will find the truth. We continue to make more laws, more regulations and increase the size of the "nanny" state, and are surprised, that we have a bigger percentage of our people in jail, that the character of our people is steadily degenerating, that we are intentionally breeding an underclass. Surprise, surprise, surprise, not!
I really really hope this little boy recovers. No matter what race he is, no matter what he may or may not have done. That little kid didn't deserve to be tossed over a building.
People here are blaming this thing or that thing without any sort of proof to back it up. Instead everyone sounds like a bunch of mentally deficient monkeys squalling.
Probably. Most 17 year olds I knew outgrew fighting after middle school.
And none of them if they did get into a rare physical conflict was it ever with a 9 year old child.
Casmine? Who names their kids this stuff?
Peridot. Seriously? See my post above. My son is 19. He has never done impulsive things because he understands consequences. I understand that young males are more impulsive but if they understand for instance that a car is a deadly weapon if used improperly (which I made sure my son understood BEFORE he got his license) they can make good decisions. I guarantee you even if he did get in a fight he would not think of throwing someone off a roof (even a second story.) There have always been 17-25 year old males. Why did we not have this type of problem in the past? Because our society would not stand for it. But we have become a society where everyone has to be a winner & there is an excuse for everything. Bull! It boils down to parenting and consequences (such as jail if necessary). This kid should have already served time from the sound of it but because of overcrowding that doesn't happen as much as it should.
I went back to read the first collapsed posts. As usual, banned by narrow minds. I may not agree with what you say but you should have the right to say it.
It is true that you cannot legislate morality but you can lead by example. The government, (you and me), has been giving a terrible example, since fdr. More than likely, it is going to get worse. We have a strong efficient program for breeding a less intelligent and more ruthless citizenry.
And say, you're right, if he had had a son, obama's might have looked have looked just like casmine, he's not a bad looking fellow.
laliana,
to say we did not have this problem in the past is incorrect. We have an entire world history of violence and inhumanity. Many countries, including ours, were formed with violence. I think if we are going to address the problem it is important to understand the history of violence, what has been tried and what was/was not successful. This is not a new problem, we just have more instant media.
Spokane,
No. It is not a new problem and the media certainly doesn't help. However, the scale is new. There used to be a few nuts but we have become more tolerant and we make excuses for them. I still say the biggest issue is a lack of people guiding these kids. I see the lack of respect on a daily basis. I was a late in life child born to a mother who lived through the depression. She always said there had always been bad people, there were just more of them now. However, we used to raise our children with a respect for authority and faith in something higher than ourselves. Now kids are raised to question authority and believe in nothing. Or they are left alone to raise themselves and if no one loves them enough as small kids or protects them, they do not learn to value anything, much less a life. They get power from gangs and money from dealing drugs and stealing. We have a crisis of society. You are right. Violence is not new. However the magnitude of it is becoming alarming. It used to be that as long as you didn't associate with criminals and stayed out of "bad" neighborhoods you were relatively safe. Now it is becoming more difficult to find "safe" neighborhoods. When someone goes into a movie theater or an elementary school to kill people we have serious issues. Remember when we were so surprised about Columbine? It has become so common place that we are no longer surprised when it happens. I realize our population is growing but the violence is growing out of proportion. I live in a good neighborhood but home invasions still happen. I live simply but if someone wanted to break down my door while I am at home to take my television I could do nothing to stop them. Unless I choose to arm myself & I may have to at some point. Until we have tougher laws & more responsible parenting we will see more and more of these sad testaments to our times.
I know no one wants to hear this or think about it but when most of us were 9 years old we were at home with our mothers! I was born in 64 and my mother and all my friends mothers stayed home and watched after us, were involved in church, girl scouts, boy scouts, baseball, choir, chores and homework. I think it is a shame that there are so many women that have to work and it is evident in the way kids are turning out. I'm not saying everyone was perfect but there was a smaller incidence of children in big trouble like shootings and throwing others off of roofs! A real mother not only made sure you did your chores and homework they taught you to share, consider others, care for others and have empathy for others! Probably the most important lessons of all! When did we stop wanting to tell our children no and make them be kind to others and say they are sorry when they hurt someones feelings or did something to them? I know women want equality but you can't say "If you don't have to sit here all day with these kids then I don't want to either"! I know many have to but you can't leave the raising of your kids to someone else because they are not going to do it and it will be YOUR fault when they fail at life!
Niece64, I think it's time for you to sit down, take your meds and go watch some matlock. Your diatribe has absolutely nothing to do with the article other than you think this child has a horrible mother because he was thrown off a roof.
Already has a rap sheet. Hmmm, and after he throws a 9 year old off a roof, now, they think he has problems. Time to put this one to bed permanently!!! Oh no, bleeding hearts will show up, he will get out of jail or the nut house and then do something violent again. Then when the police shoot him, the police will be the bad guy because junior was a nut case.
There is a culture of violence in the black community that society gives a pass and blames past racism by whites. Those days are gone and now is the time we recognize the scales have tipped. 97% of gunshot victims are black-98% of the shooters are black. Bill Cosby is demonized by blacks when he brings up black culture. He is hardly a racist and isn't giving lip service to patronize a white audience. When 75% of black families do not have a father in the home, this is what we get. The number of white homes without a father is increasing, white society in general does not give a pass for this behavior in the white community.
Something is amiss when a 17 year old teenager is fighting with a 9 year old boy. Perhaps more will be forthcoming as the article is updated.
GM Jack
Its a weekend odds of an update are rare at best.
Actually, jack, some 9-year-old boys can be quite feral when they're raised in the (in)correct environment. I'm not defending anyone, but there could be a lot more to this than the initial story reports.
Jack
Yes there is a lot missing from this story. Why was a nine year old out after dark unsupervised ?? Was it drug related ?? Did the nine year old stiff the the teenager out of drug sales money ?? Could even been gang related. Because of their ages. I am afraid the whole story will never come out.
Our culture breeds violence, it is that simple. It is glorified, it is worshipped. Things like this happen. Doubt there is much more to the story...
GM Bob, Scooter and 3rd view
Somehow to be "first" to air news article NBC leaves so much information out. All of you have good ideas as to the 5 Ws - Who What When Where Why/How - the first thing in a concise and accurate report. NBC would really be lost with a 5 Paragraph Field Order! Even the police can do the 5 Ws.
I guess not enough time to do it right, but always enough time to do it over!
They provided a link to the real article they plagiarised....er I mean...noticed and copied....er I mean...reported on.
Unlike this article it contains pictures and FACTS ( and you know how this site hates that word) Especially the "weekend crowd"
Something is very amiss, Jack from Jax. One wonders what that may be: Autism, severe Asperger's with whatever other psychological maladjustments, physical abuse of the older boy? Things are very wrong here.
jack: Age doesn't matter here...they were in the same 4th grade class!
blv501
Not a bad deduction, based on the thought process of a 17 yo throwing the 9 yo off the roof!
Perhaps, or perhaps he simply has the whole "getto" "banger" "thug" mentality down pat. Screw him and that whole liberal "poor kid" B.S. sociological pseudo babble.
Had to re-post this from seed one due to the self appointed censors in the "collapse crowd" it gives much more detail.
Click on the link for the story that NBC decide to run an abridged or "readers digest" version of. Love where it said:.......
Followed by;....
So let me get this straight. A gun was not needed to kill somebody? But I thought if guns were banned, people would no longer have easy ways to kill other people.
this just shows that even without a gun CRAZY PEOPLE will kill others.
I agree that we need to ban roofs. If we didn't have roofs then this would have never happened.
Yes Scooter,
They always say he was a good kid or a nice man and "OMG" I can't believe he would do such a thing. Then you find out they had priors or trouble with other people as "threatening them". There are thousands if not millions of people just like him. Scary thought.
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn rooftop" - Barack hussein obama
Hi Jack, Scooter.
This nine year old lives in a two bedroom apartment with his mother, younger sister, and grandparents. He is quite bright in academics.
In spite of the grandparents and mother being home when the incident happened, no one heard or knew anything was happening until someone ran upstairs to tell them. By the time the mother got downstairs, they were loading him into the ambulance.
Peridot, I am going to take a big leap here and say you know nothing of autism and Asperger's. People with autism are far more likely to be the victims of bullying and other violence than the perpetrators.
John - comment 3.14 - just a hint - usually, stupid people try to hide it. Give it a try!
tiredofhypocrites-794827
you may take that a step further - People with autism are VICTIMS of bullying and other violence more often than PERPETRATORS of said offenses. While fits of aggitation are quite frequent in response to changes in ordered patterns, they do not lead to acts of aggression unless there is some other underlying cause of violence in the individual.
More of this story needs to be told for it to make any sense.
Some 9 year olds think they are invincible and God like till someone throws them off the roof, its another element in a sick society that teaches all the wrong lessons, some times even a child can screw up.
But at least he looks like he could be Obama's son. There's a plus and makes it all better.
Violence in our culture is a direct result of over-population. Too many people in too small a space and no recourse to alleviation. Suppressed anger, over time, builds to the explosion point. This results in homicides, suicides, genocides... and it is something we never address. We always head right for the symptom (gun control) as though that will fix everything. No guns here. Just anger, which is all it takes.
And history has shown, over and over, that when the wealth of a nation is in the hands of a few, and more people have to cram themselves into ever smaller areas to survive, violence becomes the order of the day.
You do not see violence on this scale when people can afford to live - like a nice, healthy middle-class, like we had through most of the second half of the 20th century. Oh, yes, there is still plenty of violence, as people will be people and suppressed anger still results in violence. When people are crammed together like lemmings, eventually they're going to react like lemmings. (Lemmings are more polite, though - they kill themselves, not each other... ;)
Try him as an adult.
i agree ...'Fry' him as an adult.
I'm with Scooter!
Sorry but there will be no frying. US Supreme Court ruled against death penalty for juveniles years ago.
So let me get this straight. A gun was not needed to kill somebody? But I thought if guns were banned, people would no longer have easy ways to kill other people.
this just shows that even without a gun CRAZY PEOPLE will kill others.
I agree that we need to ban roofs. If we didn't have roofs then this would have never happened.
John Haddock
How many times do you plan on reposting the same idiotic, pointless comment? I was bored by it the first time you posted it, and by the third time I was convinced that you must just have no ability to come up with more than one stupid thought in that tiny little head of yours.
As many times as I have to douche. Stop crying about it loser.
I find it kind of ironic that the 17 year old is the same age as that Crayon Martin kid from Florida. From what I had gathered from the Martin/Zimmerman stories 17 year olds were weak and docile, not vicious at all. And where is Brack 0bama? If'n I had a son he would be just like this 17 year old!
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn roof" - Barack hussein obama
John Haddock is nothing more than a stupid man with a little cock!
blv501 is a radical socialist racist. You would vote for Stalin I bet. Go away pedophile
Nah, John, these people are right.....you need to go back over to the little table with the other children and let the adults talk......
If the 9 year old had been packin' heat, this never would have happened. All 9 year olds should be issued weapons.
Guns....we need more guns. Can't have enough guns.
Happiness is a warm gun.
No, happiness is a warm gun with a full magazine and a nice tight group.
And a nice big hole where your eye used to be.
wrong anti, Happiness is a warm gun, an EMPTY magazine, and a tight group.
An assault rifle would have doubled the kids chance of survival :P
The minute I read the Headline, I knew guns would be mentioned. It only shows narrow mindedness. It shows a low level of thought, and a lack of intelligence.
Let me put this as plainly as i can so even the dumbest anti gun crowd morons can understand it.
A "rifle" is an inanimate object....it simply CAN NOT AND WILL NOT assault anyone. hence there is no such thing as an assault rifle.
(and yes bmilleroh, i "get" your feeble attempt at sarcasm)
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn rooftop" - Barack hussein obama
And again, John Haddock apparently has no creativity or ability to create more than one thought at a time, which he has to stand around like a complete moron repeating over, and over, and over. "Hey everybody I thought of something complete irrelevent and stupid. Listen to me repeat it again and again to remind you how useless I am!" Get over yourself hate monger. That's the only way you can get anyone to pay any attention to you.
bumpfreak is a loser.
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn roof" - Barack hussein obama
Actually, "happiness" is having John Haddock on "ignore".... Normally, I welcome anyone with an opposing view to discuss the issues. Compromise is a good thing. The issue here is not gun control or politics. The issue is about the violence that's taking over in America. We have glorified and nurtured violent, anti-social behavior for years. Parents let video games, internet and television raise their kids and wonder what could have possibly gone wrong with their "good kid"... Rather than deal with the arguing or whining, we take the path of least resistance with our children and expect that they will grow up just fine if we are their friends instead of their parents. It doesn't work... We've screwed up and now we see the consequences...
Lisa is a lesbian.
Something needs to be done! something needs to be banned! come on Liberals help us out here what can we take away from people so this cant happen again? maybe if we padded all the sidewalks?
Violence in America is a product of our lack of willingness to allow discipline in our homes and schools not teaching our children that there are consequences to their bad decisions, its our liberal lifestyle, snub nosed attitude and dysfunctional thought process, lack of reasoning and our allowing youth to do as they please, our lack of parental guidance and moral judgment. we live in a society where we encourage mental health issues to flourish as freedom of expression, its OK for boys to wear Tu Tu's to school and for girls to run around beating up on people, America is screwed up because liberal attitudes support sick ideas and encourage the dysfunctional to be dysfunctional. America no longer has a normal to use as a gauge to be normal. America is more involved in destroying things that are moral then developing morals, we can only harvest what we plant. there will always be a percentage of mentally ill people but we are creating a sick society and will continue to do so because its politically correct and morality has no place in a liberal society. the sick are infesting everything and decency gets the blame because the sick were allowed to infect what decency represents, people accuse good of evil because evil chose to hide behind good, and people choose to be blind. times are going to continue to get worse and the worse they get the more mankind will try to fix things and the worse they will become, because man refuses to see the real problem and do the right thing. man deserves what he gets after all you earned it, you created it. should we worship Lady GaGa or Rhianna today?
John Haddock is nothing more than a stupid man with a little cock!
BLV501 is a pedophile racist socialist. Don't you have some boys to molest or something?
Sorry Scooter, I already changed mags, and in under a second. :)
An animal who is capable of this should be executed immediately. Any opportunity given to him for "redemption" will only be used to victimize others. He's not worth anything more than the cost of a bullet, but if they wanted to do it on the cheap, they could always push the savage off a (higher) roof.
But...but...but ...he was such a "good kid" ( well outside of his four priors that is ) just ask his neighbors.
I'd hate to see what the "bad" kids in that neighborhood are up to...
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn rooftop" - Barack hussein obama
John Haddock is nothing more than a stupid man with a little cock!
blv501 is a radical socialist Pedophile. Go touch some boys. I know you are dying to.
We are facing the consequences of all of us allowing Hollywood to make their money off of explicit violence as entertainment. Kids who don't have enough parental guidance are becoming callous and have no consciences. We, the American people need to stand up and stop the crap that is dished out to America's kids. Hollywood is making a fortune off their explicit violent moves, TV, songs, and video games, while they destroy our kids and our society.
May sound stupid to some of you "hardened" young people, but TV and movies used to have positive messages. The good guys actually did good things and families thrived. When kids watched TV they learned about good behavior. Now, it is let's learn how to kill and see how many ways we can torture and kill people. Please stop thinking this doesn't hurt our kids' minds. Attentive parents keep their kids away from the violence, but still, our kids are seeing and hearing these things.
Garbage in - garbage out, America! It is way past time to stop the love of violence! We are grooming crazy people!
Yeah! Hollywood is responsible for Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib! Nobody EVER did anything bad before the movies came along! Nobody had sex, shot or tortured someone. It's IMPOSSIBLE to have a functional family and go to the movies! And of course the good guy NEVER wins in Hollywood! ~_~
Get over yourself.
You speak of a time when the moms were able to stay at home with the children and teach them proper values. Either economy does not allow this today, or people choose not to stay home to keep up with the Joneses. Mom and Dads values have changed also.
My mom, who typically votes Democratic, used to say that we kids loved to watch the Three Stooges but in no time that she could remember were we running around bonking each other on the head or poking each other's eyes out.
You can't legislate morality. Banning violent TV and movies is just that.
Screw that. You're looking at a fantasy world that was never real for most of the planet. It was only true on television. Women were marginalised and choices were limited. Women HAD to be wives or mothers then because we couldn't be anything else other than teachers or nurses.
No, thanks. A woman who divorced because her husband was unfaithful to her was a social pariah. People of colour had to sit in the back of the bus because they were 2nd class citizens. Are you perhaps secretly wishing for the time when white men were back on top? Are you wanting the days of Mad Men back again?
Here's an eye-opener for you: I stay home with my Autistic son. It's lonely and soul-destroying. It's not good for either of us. He should have friends of his own age and we should not be so close to each other. He's almost 25 and I can read his mind. I wish it weren't so but there's nothing I can do about it. We spend nearly every waking hour together. What can I do? He can't be left alone and I'm stuck. I stayed home with him since he was an infant.
Ask yourself: do you really want to go back to the time when women earned 30 cents to men's dollar? Remember, that would be true for your sisters, your mother and your daughters. They'd stay in bad relationships because it would be financially advantageous rather than get out and have their children starve.
Are you really that selfish?
@John, some kids have poked their siblings in the eyes like the Three Stooges. The siblings were blinded for life. It happened in the Fifties. It's a horrible thing that has happened as a direct result of watching the Stooges and a tragedy that should not have happened.
I was relieved to see that at the end of the recent of the Three Stooges film remake, the directors demonstrated how the stunts were done with rubber hammers and other props that didn't hurt. They showed the eye poke above the eye sockets, too.
So let me get this straight. A gun was not needed to kill somebody? But I thought if guns were banned, people would no longer have easy ways to kill other people.
this just shows that even without a gun CRAZY PEOPLE will kill others.
I agree that we need to ban roofs. If we didn't have roofs then this would have never happened.
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn rooftop" - Barack hussein obama
John Haddock is nothing more than a stupid man with a little cock!
Pray to Lady Ga Ga that all these sick people will be healed. we must put a end to mental illness, pray now pray to the celebrity Gods that all will be saved! let them set the examples for all to see, pray to the Queen of the Universe only Lady Ga Ga can show us the way to a healthy society.
@Peridot what you are saying is things never got better they just became different, and why is it when people reach back in time to do a comparison that they sort out all the negative things and never mention the good things, I doubt you were old enough to remember the 50's or the 60's you only know what you were taught and those stories were in some ways fabricated or built on to stress a point some states had problems and some did not but we grew from the experiences but they were not always the norm and race was not the only issue there was allot of good that you will never hear of because the liberals don't care to teach that side of history its not to their advantage, I remember in the 50's sitting next to black people on the bus, using the same facilities, and eating in the same restaurants. I also remember that one income could support a family and families had two parents and crime was down, morals were up and life in general was 10 times better then today, we actually lived then today people just exist like cattle. so stop comparing the nation to Selma Alabama, in 1957 I was jealous of a black neighbor because he had a new 1957 ford hardtop convertible while we suffered with a 1953 Buick yes times were really bad for everyone in those days, I'm tired of people talking out of their back side and acting like they know it all when they don't know squat I have better memories of the 50's and 60's then I do recent times. in those days things were not always as bad as we are told some times but not always, truth is with few exceptions things were better. but that is not what we are taught, if Rosa parks attempted to sit in a front seat of the buss in Minneapolis Mn or Spokane Wa it would not have been news because no one cared where they sat, they worked right along side everyone else and went to the same schools I'm sick of the BS inaccuracy of your altered history made to look worse then it was .over all the south and the north were different as night and day. and contrary to belief allot of women liked not having to work and they were able to do a better job of raising their children, the world is by far worse off today then it was half a century ago. we could have fixed the problems without wrecking the whole society.
You are correct AllPeopleRights......Hollywood's trash and violence have no place in our living rooms nor the violent video games. I am not saying banning them because here in America they have the right to mass produce their garbage but I am saying parents need to step up to the plate and act like the adults of the family an forbid the kids to watch this kind of junk. No way would it have been allowed when my four were growing up! But parents now days have little time to watch their kids and see what they are doing....to busy making a buck which seems to take twenty hours a day because they want more money to buy more stuff instead of spending quality time with their family.
I hope this 17 yr. old pays dearly for his actions and the 9 yr. old recovers.
No trial necessary, just push the 17 year old off the roof and let him go splat!
Simple physic lesson, for an A on the test does a 165 lb man bounce when hitting the pavement from 40+ feet? for bonus points ..what was his speed achieved before sudden de-acceleration.
LATramp.. you sure seem to have a lot to say about every article written. Do you or can you come up with any reasoning that a 17yr old should be fighting with a 9yr old ? I dont even think this was a case of mental illness. Poor judgement and bad people start way before they become adults. Its the punishment phase that keeps these kind of things from happening. The 17yr old needs to be accountable. He should be charged as a adult., with no mercy. Maybe serious consequences will make a person think twice before committing such violence with stupidity !
To address your sarcasism.. its not that five story fall that hurt him... it was the sudden stop at the bottom. lol
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn rooftop" - Barack hussein obama
JC Bunchanumbers
Its "I" not "L"....as for the rest , yes, yes, agreed,agreed again,didn't happen,agreed, works for me,
and what makes you think i was being sarcastc?............:)
Right on MOM! Tough love. Morning to the usual suspects.
You wanna give people like this guns?
Clearly these people do not need firearms to commit violent crimes, but lets punish everyone else right? Lets take away the right for us law abiding citizens to protect ourselves and our families from people like this, right?
If you're not the type of person who would push a 9 year old off a building then we don't have a problem.
Unless you're the type of person who thinks they need an AR-15 to protect their family. If you really wanna protect them, you're better off buying Kevlar vests. Those actually STOP bullets and SAVE lives instead of ending them.
We should remove all roofs immediately!
kernolklink
You are an imbecile. Your stupid ass should be thrown off of a 20 story building. Maybe coming down, you could post another ridiculous comment.
Brainflash1
A 9mm, a big dog, and an Italian wife who does not appreciate being woke up in the middle of the night. I pity tha fool..... :)
Sad, sad story. I hope the 9-year-old recuperates fully.
Brainfart1=moron
wouldn't you need one before it could have an idea...or a "fart " in your case?
Its called sarcasm, and when you don't get it you advocate throwing people off of roofs?....nice well thought out reply.
Perhaps you two could engage in something more useful with your free time, like planning a window licking contest next time you ride the short bus. Just a suggestion mind ya.
brainflash,
How stupid are you? what does guns have to do with the story? Yes, guns are the reason behind everything, right?
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn roof" - Barack hussein obama
John Haddock is nothing more than a stupid man with a little cock!
Try him, and if/when convicted, just dispose of him. No muss, no fuss, no publicity. Just a short rope and a tall tree. I'm sure he "grew up in poverty", "never had a chance", "didn't have proper guidance/role models", blah, blah, blah, all the usual excuses, but at the age of 17 he knows full well that throwing a 9 year old child off a rooftop is wrong. He is a vicious waste of oxygen that needs to be exterminated before he has a chance to breed more like himself. (Hopefully he hasn't already done so...)
Try him as an adult - this juvie thing gives them a free pass to kill.
Even if he's tried as an adult, he can't be given the death penalty per the Supreme Court of the United States.
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn rooftop" - Barack hussein obama
John Haddock is nothing more than a stupid man with a little cock!
You idiots and your gun remarks...This is the social decay of the U.S. Parents are not parenting. This is a tragedy in the fact that a 9 year old and a 17 year old now have there lives in a mess. If mom and dad are in the picture then they are out of control. I guess I must be the ass since I know who what where and when with my kids.
How are city people raising their kids? Murders,gangs, beatings, and theft by little kids, WTF?
We should immediately remove roofs from all buildings!
Shut up, kernol.
He's just using your twisted logic.....stupid, isn't it?
Most of these comments reflect the problem with our society. We are talking about a child being thrown from a building and the majority of the people commenting about it are trying to be funny.
If it was your child, I doubt it would be a laughing matter. There is a terrible problem when people have no problem taking someone's life. We have a generation-maybe 2- that have no regard for life and we are making jokes about it.
May God have mercy on us all!!!
A 17 year old hasn't the self control to just walk away from a 9 year old, and must throw him from a roof?
That's such a shame for that little boy. I hope he recuperates fully, but I have doubts about that.
If the victim recuperates, he will get up mad.. He will become just like the seventeen yr old. I watched a video yesterday that showed a black woman against a security guard at a mall.. what this woman was teaching her very small babies is a large part of our Countries problem. No morals, ethics, child parenting, just good common sense and respect for others is void in this Country.. When did we start acting like this.. The filth that came out of this womans mouth was horrific..
Let the punishment fit the crime. Announce when the sentence will be carried out. Hire some sleazy TV personality to narrate the action, then televise it live on national TV. ...and I mean toss the teenager off the same building...
Young people place absolutely no value on human life because they, themselves never seem to understand that life is not a video game. You don't reset and start over in the sequel. A kid who tries to murder someone should have the same thing inflicted on him/her.
You nailed it, no reset in real life.
17 year-old in a fight with a 9-year-old. What a coward & bully!
Crack babies make crack babies. Evolution in reverse
It's funny when you point out the ignorance of the gun control crowd how silly they act. It's like they wish evey act of violence was commited with a gun just so they can use it to push their retarded agenda. When you point out the stupidity of their weak argument, they call you names and question your education....with that said, I think we need backround checks on anyone purchasing a roof.
I will never support trying non-adults as adults, because, as non-adults, they do not have adult options available to them. I also believe that if, at 17 years of age, you do not have the mental capacity to know not to throw someone off the roof, you will never have that capacity, and thus should be locked up forever. We seriously need to re-open the "nut houses".
Killing all hinges on mental issues.......if one person wants to kill another.....they will find a way.
The gun hysteria is just a political tool.
manno, you are so correct....
So is this a case for Jessy and Sharption ?
Not hardly!
Jesse and Sharpton are one of the biggest issues to these problems. These two make money off the backs of their very own.. They are pathetic.
First of all what is a nine year old doing with a siventeen year old even doing together on a roof playing or fighting.
But to think that the seventeen year old would even think about throwing anyone especially a nine year old off of the roof makes me wonder what kind of household he comes from and violence he is around all of the time.
He needs to tried as adult because he knew what he was doing sad but true.
The daily news reports neighbors heard the 9 yr old victim screaming as the 17 yr old dragged him to the roof and pitched him off. God help the rest of us when mr.Aska is released back into society after being "rehabilitated"
The 17 year old must have displayed negative personality traits prior to his action. Why can't family see, or admit, that a child has a problem? But, he's a good boy doesn't always apply. Parents should not only see their children, but observe them. A sad thing happened - what was that 17 year old thinking when he got into a fight with a 9 year old? No doubt he is someone who would go through life being just that - a coward.
"If I had a son, he would be just like the kid that threw a 9 year old off of a brooklyn rooftop" - Barack hussein obama
Carol, In todays world, they were probably fighting over drugs.. Where are the parents?
John Haddock is nothing more than a stupid man with a little cock!
John Haddock, you can consol yourself in the fact that you are not an idiot. What your are is a FILTHY, STUPID, IGNORANT, IDIOT !
Sounds like blv501 has male member envy..........................................lol
May GOD give the family and friends the strength to go through this really tough time now and for all time as I am certain he will!!!
I pray the child will recover and that the parents are investigated as to why this nine
year old is with a seventeen yr old on a roof, and fighting.. If the parents had been doing their job
this could have been prevented..
The 17 yr old was a thug. Parenting failed years ago. If only the parents could be arrested as accessories. mom is probably 33
Why are reporters knocking on the family's door!? They have enough going on as it is.. leave them alone to sort this out!!!!