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WXIA / NBC via Reuters
A 14-year-old pupil and a teacher were shot Thursday, Jan. 31, at Price Middle School in Atlanta. Another student at the school was arrested.
The case of a Virginia second-grader caught with a gun on his school bus this week may be shocking but it's by no means uncommon.
Across the country, children are being suspended or arrested for having weapons on campus or buses on a daily basis.
Police in Henrico, Va., were waiting at school for the little boy Monday morning after he allegedly threatened another pupil on their ride to Ratcliffe Elementary School. They found a handgun in his backpack, NBC station WWBT of Richmond, Va. reported.
The incident made national headlines Monday, as did a similar incident when a loaded gun was found in a pupil's book bag last month at P.S. 215 in Queens, N.Y.
However, these incidents aren't as isolated as they may appear. An NBC News survey of crime dockets and news reports across all 50 states reveals that, since Jan. 1, there have been at least 48 incidents in which guns have been discovered on students, in their bags or in their lockers.
There were at least five last Thursday alone: in Atlanta; Augusta, Kan.; Chicago; Raleigh, N.C.; and Winston-Salem, N.C.
There have been 23 class days since some districts resumed school Jan. 2 — not including Jan. 21, the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday. That works out to more than two gun reports a day this school year. (The survey excluded incidents in which pupils were caught with toy guns; all of the weapons were handguns, rifles, BB guns or air rifles.)
And those are just the cases that have been made public: Juveniles' police records are generally protected, so an untold number of other such incidents are likely to have occurred.
While it's impossible to determine whether such potentially deadly show-and-tells are happening more frequently, the public data do indicate just how hard it is to clamp down on guns on campus since the issue became a national concern in December in the wake of the fatal shootings of 20 pupils at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
Most of the time, the weapons are brought along for protection or as items of curiosity, with the pupil more interested in showing off than in shooting. And usually, they're intercepted before anyone can get hurt, with the student's being suspended or charged for a weapons violation, depending on his or her age. Often, a parent or guardian is charged with failing to secure the weapon.
But when they're not intercepted, tragedy is often the result.
Last week, a 14-year-old boy was shot and wounded by a student at Price Middle School in Atlanta, police said.
"Gun violence in and around our schools is simply unconscionable and must end," Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said. "Too many young people are being harmed and too many families are suffering from unimaginable and unnecessary grief."
And on Jan. 10, a student was wounded by a classmate who shot him at Taft Union High School in Taft, Calif., police said The boy targeted a second classmate but missed, authorities said.
While many lawmakers have introduced legislation that would put armed police or security guards in schools, that may not be the answer, according to a state task force reviewing campus safety in Virginia.
The task force last week stressed the need to fund anti-bullying programs and school resource officers, but it stopped short of calling for more officers in schools.
"If we were to put 1,000 new police officers in our schools, those police officers would have to come from somewhere, and we might inadvertently make things less safe in our communities," Dewey G. Cornell, a law professor at the University of Virginia who's a member of the task force, told WWBT.
The boy who opened fire last week in California was one of those who carried a weapon because he said he had been bullied, Kern County Sheriff Donny Youngblood said.
But that's not a good enough excuse, parents say.
"That just doesn't make sense," said Jeremy Massey, the parent of a student at Daly Elementary School in Inskter, Mich., near Detroit, where a third-grader was found to have taken a loaded gun to class two days in a row last month. The boy told police he carried the gun for his own protection.
"If you are 10 years old, the only protection you need is to go tell an adult," Massey told NBC station WDIV of Detroit.
Related:
Full list of student gun incidents this year
Obama on guns: 'We're not going to wait until the next Newtown'
Guns already allowed in schools with little restriction in many states
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Ban handguns.
No... it's... BAM! handguns
What's the saying? Once the horse is out the barn? Well, the horse is out the barn, and there's no turning back. We can only buy-back the guns out there.
Ban humans, they're the fault. Quit blaming inanimate objects for our short-comings.
It's becoming apparent that it's not so much that firearms are the problem rather than parents who aren't keeping them secured properly where kids can't get access to them.
John Doe is right! Obama blaming the NRA for gun violence, is like blaming the American Automobile Association (AAA) for drunk drivers. Barry's expensive trip is about increasing government control over our lives rather than focusing on the real reason for this gun violence in schools... what a crock of s**t!
John Dumb, you are the stupidest person to ever post nonsense on the vine!!!
P Right and Joy, You are the second most stupid person to ever post on the vine!!!
What a couple of sad, deluded morons you two are!!!!
I'l bet his parents voted for Barry.
Ban welfare checks and food for the ones that can work.owing guns is a freedom.Your lowlife pres needs to worry about jobs.I you don't.
Owin guns is becoming a nuisance to our society.
Let's use your analogy and swap the NRA for AAA.
AAA would be telling us we have no right to require people to license their car.
AAA says we don't need any formal training before buying and driving a vehicle.
AAA would fight any restrictions placed on much horsepower a street legal vehicle could have.
AAA would say that placing a limit on how fast your car can go would be unconstitutional.
AAA would say it's unconstitutional to check someone's background for DUI's and accidents.
Still want to stick with your analogy?
Ban media induced hysteria aimed at supporting a political agenda. Promote the thought process instead.
on the other hand; if the driver had had a gun, the standoff in alabama might not have happened!
Chris from Yuc, Just what is the horsepower limit? Limit on how fast your car can go (not the speed limit)? And I do not remember EVER having the dealer ask about DUI's and accidents (and, yes, I have bought and paid for many cars!). The NRA not only recommends formal safe firearms training, it PROVIDES it, duh. The main reason cars get licensed is so the state can tax them. So, yeah, we can continue the analogy.
Parents whose children get ahold of their guns should lose their rights to have both. Take their guns and kids away from them. Oh, and do a couple years in prison for failing to secure their weapons and child neglect. If folks want to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights, then they need to be accountable for what happens with their guns.
You don't have to read very far down one of these colums before coming across a dumbass. All you have to do is train your guns to not jump in these booksacks. Then you won't have to worry about laying on your but in bed while this kid ,or a bigger sibling gets them ready for school. The authorities should arrest the parents on the spot.
"BB guns or air rifles"
LMFAO!!!!!
Liberals. God love em!
I've focused and found there are too many accessible hand guns. If you want more heroin in the schools common sense will tell you to just lay it out where kids can get it everyday. The same with anything, just make it available to kids and they will take it to school.
Might I suggest you actually go look up the definition of analogy?
We require every driver to license and register their vehicle. Not every gun requires the same.
We require every driver to pass both a written and a driving test. Not so with guns and while the NRA offers training and provides it, they DO NOT REQUIRE IT before buying your gun.
Horsepower = caliber/type etc of the weapon. We limit vehicle horsepower in order to keep emissions low and prevent damaging the environment.The NRA wants no restrictions on the kind of weapons you buy.
Setting a speed limit is clearly an analogy for restricting automatic weapons and clip size.
And finally when you go to the DMV to get your license they WILL check the system to find out if you've had your license revoked or if you're legally allowed to have one based on citizen/immigration status. This is a requirement you must meet before they'll give it to you. Without that, you can not legally drive. Sure you can get in the car and drive around. Just like you can show up at a gun show and buy a gun there without a similar check.
Our children are carrying guns to school because they are emulating the hysteria displayed by the adults!
a car dealer may not ask for DUIs or accidents but they do ask for a driver licence to sell a car to you, that implies you went to some type of screening, also, speaking about speed limit? i believe that would be a form to regulate how fast you can go for the safety of others, good to se a person in favor of regulation.
Chris, I do not need YOU to explain the definition of anything to me. You do NOT need to license a driver on personal property jsut as you should not have to license a gun kept away from the public. However, for those of us that do carry in public, we ARE required to have documented training, to include firin under supervision. (See - that is analogous to your car situation!!!) Licensing firearms will just lead to taxation (which the govt will obviously say is just a fee, NOT a tax) - which is an infringement to ownership, especially on the poor. And you still did not really answer the question on horsepower and top speed. If I can build a car with any level of horsepower that meets EPA standards - no matter how fast it can go - it is legal. That is just like a magazine with more than 5, 7 or 10 rounds. It will (and should) be legal (see - there is that analogy thing again!!!). Or are you arguing that no car should be able to go more than 55, 70 or 85 mph, depending on state regulations??? Good luck with THAT one.... And good luck rounding up all the Corvettes built prior to the "ban" because that is where it will end up.
If a loaded gun laid on a table in a room for a thousand years without anyone touching it guess what, it wouldn't even so much as scratch one single person, wouldn't harm a fly.
So .... ban Takenaka and all libtards alike!!
True Fact - BTW, I never said that I agreed with speed limits, just acknowledged that they exist.
Stories like this always put forward the 2nd grader with the gun because that's the image they want to imprint on your mind. They don't want to show you the 14 year old in Chicago who walks to and from school everyday through a war zone and has no choice about where they live but refuses to be a victim and is unwilling to die without the chance to shoot back. The Media is afraid you might sympathize with the 14 year old and agree that he/she is in mortal danger and has a right to protect and defend themselves. A 2nd grader shouldn't even be able to put their hands on a firearm. But there are many places in this country where I would not walk the streets at 3:30pm without being armed, so I would never judge the 14 year old as a criminal for being armed in a war zone.
ProFreedom and IA ScooterTramp, Thank you... voices of reason in a community gone crazy!
Independant thinkerer
and if you drag these same stupid parents down to the school, they'd be screaming about how "their baby" is being mistreated by the authorities....
The reason horsepower is restricted in vehicles is not because of a speed safety issue, it's because very high horsepower vehicles have a very difficult time meeting emission standards. Not such an issue anymore with modern cars. My analogy was a little vague but my point with it was that high emission vehicle do more damage to the environment and to the people that have to suck in the exhaust. Thus for the most part they are indirectly banned from the roads. With guns, weapons like machine guns, rockets etc are banned because they too do more damage to people and such.
"If you are 10 years old, the only protection you need is to go tell an adult"
Oh, if only that were true. The fact is that it seems that most of the time when the "10 year old" in question does that, the adults either do nothing, or they do something terribly ineffective, and the bullying gets worse.
Obviously a 10 year carrying a weapon is not the solution - but the solution is readily available and rarely used.
Zero tolerance of bullying. Harsh punishment for both the bully AND for the parents that are blind and stupid to their "little angel" and refuse to do anything about their perfect little bully.
Ban schools without guns in the classroom or ban bus's that don't have armed guards or should we just get back to schools that all the kids can walk to from their home?
I think a great deal of these things are from parents who DON'T teach their kids to use guns and handle them safely. When I was a kid and I was told not to touch something, it always made me want to see what the secret about it was. But if you show your kid how to handle a gun and make sure they know it is not a toy, they will be less likely to touch it. I know someone who has lots of guns and her kids know how to use them,yet they never touch them without her permission.
PrideandJoy,
Drunk drivers don't get drunk with the intent to kill or injure someone. The people behind the trigger do have that intent.
I do not know how many times it needs to be said before some idiots will wake up, the weapons are not the problem it is some of the people who own them. Most gun owners are responsible citizens who never fire at anything other than a target or maybe an animal if they are hunters. And most hunters use what they kill for food for their families or they donate the meat to food kitchens. The people who use guns to commit crimes are a very small minority of gun owners, and a minuscule percentage of legal gun owners. Most gun crimes are committed by people who obtained the weapon illegally, so no new gun law is going to do anything about it. There are a very small number of legal gun owners who are irresponsible in handling and securing their weapons, like the parents of the children who bring mom or dad's gun to school with them. These people need to be prosecuted for their failure to properly secure their weapons and allowing them to fall into the hands of minors. And the sentence for these failures needs to be more than a slap on the wrist fine, it needs to include real prison time. By allowing their weapons to fall into the hands of their kids they are putting people's lives at risk. This is a serious thing which needs to be treated as a serious crime. If the kid shoots someone the penalties for the parent need to reflect that and if the kid kills someone with the gun then the parents should at a minimum face a charge of criminally negligent homicide. It is time we get serious about prosecuting those who do not follow the law and do not properly safeguard the weapon they own.
Chris,
Horsepower is not restricted in this country.
This should please the NRA... more guns in schools will deter shootings... sounds logical to me
/sarcasm
People need to be taught that firearms are only as lethal as the level of responsibility of the handler, meaning that education of how to handle firearms safely and store them from untrained and irresponsible people is a wise investment. The lower the responsibility level and the lower the training level of the handler and/or owner, the higher the lethality of that firearm by negligence.
If every person of a household with access to a firearm knows its' power and how to handle it with respect and responsibility, how to safely store it, that it is not a toy and never to be pointed at anyone, even with the action open, we would be a lot safer. The exception being when an attacker is present.
Simple rules, easy to follow.
Be safe, stay safe, firearms aren't scary when you are responsible and informed.
steelers2103,
You are trying to have a rational argument with Chris. He only speaks from his ignorance like the NRA doesnt promote and actually run numerous gun safety programs. He is the face of the anti-gun nuts. Use ignorance and fear to push his agenda.
MrBurns, Thanks for the confirmation of my belief about him. I just cannot let every "gunphobe" go off half-cocked (pun intended). After awhile I need to try to bring them back to reality with an attempt at rational (at least on my part) discussion.
Chris from Yucaipa:
(We require every driver to license and register their vehicle. Not every gun requires the same.)
Driving is a Privilege and the States are the ones who require you to get a driver’s license, register your car in that state. Yet I don't need a Drivers license, register my vehicle or have insurance if I drive it on private property.
Owning a gun is a right guaranteed under the US Constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Infringe
We require every driver to pass both a written and a driving test. Not so with guns and while the NRA offers training and provides it, they DO NOT REQUIRE IT before buying your gun.
Again owning a gun is a right guaranteed under the US Constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Infringe
Horsepower = caliber/type etc of the weapon. We limit vehicle horsepower in order to keep emissions low and prevent damaging the environment. The NRA wants no restrictions on the kind of weapons you buy.
Again owning a gun is a right guaranteed under the US Constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Infringe
Setting a speed limit is clearly an analogy for restricting automatic weapons and clip size.
And finally when you go to the DMV to get your license they WILL check the system to find out if you've had your license revoked or if you're legally allowed to have one based on citizen/immigration status. This is a requirement you must meet before they'll give it to you. Without that, you cannot legally drive. Sure you can get in the car and drive around. Just like you can show up at a gun show and buy a gun there without a similar check.
Again owning a gun is a right guaranteed under the US Constitution.
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Infringe
Constitutional rights n. rights given or reserved to all the people who are America Citizens by the U. S. Constitution, and in particular, the Bill of Rights (first ten amendments).
Privilege
Restricted right or benefit: an advantage, right, or benefit that is not available to everyone
@Chris from Yucaipa,
I agree with the points that you made on most of your analogy with Sqealers2103 except:
"The reason horsepower is restricted in vehicles is not because of a speed safety issue, it's because very high horsepower vehicles have a very difficult time meeting emission standard"
Actually none of us have ever heard of horsepower being restricted on the streets (some racing orgs. do have classes by HP). In the rather distant past emissions restrictions would choke down horsepower and torque from the factory and where emissions check are done it can be difficult to get around this (but not impossible :) Newer technology (Heads, Cam - (Overlap / LSA), ECM's, Software, F.I Tech, Twin Scroll and Variable Boost Turbos, Etc...) have indeed changed the rules where often power and efficiency go hand in hand (within reason).
Example of tech changes: Between 1998 to 2000 on the Vettes and F-Bodies (Z28's and Transam's) they removed both the EGR (Exhaust Gas Recirculation and A.I.R. Systems (Air Injection - pump and such) do to improvements in ECMs and software also they were able to lean out the fuel map a bit and reduce the size of the injectors as well. On the F-bodies they used a cam with the same lift and duration as the Vette but they increased the LSA (Lobe Seperation Angle - Exhaust Scavenging and engines ability to breath) from oh about 114degrees to roughly about 119.5 degrees. This mainly just produced a silky smooth idle and choked the engine which in this case also reduced a certain black Trans Am's mileage, power and top speed. Though GM still had to put a ECM regulated top speed of 162mph (aerodynamically limited to 170mph) with it strangled to between 305 to 325 HP with the T-56 and 3.42 gears. Software called LS1 Edit easily removed the speed governor (NOT illegal either) and allowed for rather easy tuning when combined with Auto-Tap, Wide-Band Lamda (O2) Sensors, and with NOS a set of EGT (Exhaust Gas Temp) Gauges and Sensors. Afterwords mileage was in the high teens city and increased from 28 mpg highway to about 32mpg, top speed ........Lude A Kris (if you keep your foot out of it that is:)
1999 Suzuki GSX1300R Hayabusa - Guinness Record Fastest Production Bike 9.90 seconds E.T. at about 142mph , T.S. 190ish. Once Modified - E.T. 8.92@154 mph Top Speed somewhere north of 200mph. Of course thats all motor with out using a shot of nitrous at up to 50hp with a Progressive Nitrous Controller. Cause that would be a little outlandish and somewhat gauche:)
Grandpa's 2013 Chevy Z06 Corvette 427 (actually about 428.6) C.I. 505HP / 470torque. Runs high 11.00sec. E.T.s and has a Top Speed of about 200mph from the factory
Should I give the Specs for the 1998 Mitsubishi VR-4 Twin Turbo (highly modified all the way through) with oh about only 850 HP on tap without the NOS and Progressive Nitrous Controller ? :)
At normal speeds below 120 they actually are pretty good with emissions. After as you start bulldozing that big wall of dense air fuel consumption begins to skyrocket and emissions follows suit.
Regards,
Brandon
@Chris from Yucaipa:
John Doe is right! Obama blaming the NRA for gun violence, is like blaming the American Automobile Association (AAA) for drunk drivers.
Let's use your analogy and swap the NRA for AAA.
AAA would be telling us we have no right to require people to license their car.
AAA says we don't need any formal training before buying and driving a vehicle.
AAA would fight any restrictions placed on much horsepower a street legal vehicle could have.
AAA would say that placing a limit on how fast your car can go would be unconstitutional.
AAA would say it's unconstitutional to check someone's background for DUI's and accidents.
Still want to stick with your analogy?
...except that
The NRA does not interfere with a state's right to license firearms.
You *don't* need any formal automobile training, as many go and pass their driving test by reading a book and learning from someone. On the other side of the course, many states will only give a firearms license after completing an NRA safety course!
As for horsepower... how about general use? I can't carry concealed over state lines why? People couldn't even OWN a gun legally in Chicago and DC for over 25 years why? And I see all kinds of "ammunition capacity limits", including a bill for 7 bullets and another for *1* bullet in my own state of Connecticut.
Yet there are many limits on firearms, including it being almost impossible to own a fully automatic.
There IS a background check system when one purchases a firearms from a dealer. There is NOT a background check if you buy a car from a relative.
...so you were saying?
@Mark from Bridgeport,
"Yet there are many limits on firearms, including it being almost impossible to own a fully automatic"
By automatic I'm guessing that you are referring to a Class III firearm. A little difficult yes........Impossible? No............See Below:
h-ttp://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/national-firearms-act-firearms.html
2fast4u (???), so you post a lot of garbage about cars in a discussion about constitutional rights and firearms, but do NOTHING to back up any assertions (except a minor head nod to emissions) about the analogies being posed??? Figures.........
@MrBurns,
"You are trying to have a rational argument with Chris" , "He is the face of the anti-gun nuts. Use ignorance and fear to push his agenda."
@steelers2103,
"I just cannot let every "gunphobe" go off half-cocked (pun intended). After awhile I need to try to bring them back to reality with an attempt at rational (at least on my part) discussion."
I guess that you two "Intellectuals" have NOT SEEN Chris's other posts supporting the second amendment and NOT having GUNS confiscated. Probably not familiar with his background (Service History) either.
Come up with a reasonably good alternative plan soon or there will be laws enacted that should not have to exist. YES I DO BELIEVE THAT OUR ANCESTORS WOULD BE FURIOUS..........As I have read some of the personal papers of certain founders including a family friend's ancestor named Josiah. Don't just read the F#cking Constitution and try to interpret do some G-damn research and find out what America's original Bad Boy Rabble Rousers were THINKING as they came up with things like the D.O.I. , Articles of Confederation and OUR Constitution. They took great pride and pleasure in discussing all the nuances, conflicting views, and OUR nation's future possibilities.
@Chris from Yucaipa:
I think your analogy of the NRA and AAA was deserving of applause even though the idiot gun crazies and gun nuts will never give way to reason.
@steelers2103,
"so you post a lot of garbage about cars"
Would you rather talk About our 2 Barrett .50cal BMG's (with all the trimmings :) or maybe Ruger Mini-14s. There are others we also are fond of 3" mag "Gutbusters"(Slugs) & "Streetsweepers" (00 Buck),Glocks, Beretta's. But nothing quite says Love like a Barrett 50 when it comes down to it - LOLZZZZ
Yes I could tell you are ignorant about fast cars, fast bikes, fast guns, and fast women. I hear you do well with some of the guys though - LOLZ
If I combined the digits of your IQ and 90 cents I still couldn't get even a small cup of coffee at any Speedway around.
IF YOU CHOOSE to read something I posted to Chris that is fine. HOW WELL I CHOOSE TO ELABORATE IS UP TO ME !!!!! IF YOU DON"T F%CKING LIKE IT DON"T READ IT OR USE IGNORE AUTHOR..........FUKTARD!
@steelers2103,
Oh Yeah I almost forgot "Go Ravens" and I hope Ray Lewis becomes Mayor of Pittsburgh.
Regards.............
LOLZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
@steelers2103,
"True Fact - BTW, I never said that I agreed with speed limits, just acknowledged that they exist"
So we don't need speed limits either. Easy for you to say until someone blows past you at 180 - 200mph and you piss your little short pants and cry to your boyfriend. Amazing-LOLZZZ
Figures............You really are an ignorant little retard aren't you.??? LOLZZZZZZZZZZ
Collapsing Chris from Yucaipa's comments just because you disagree with what YOU THINK he believes. Just how many CandyA$$ Cupcakes are on this thread anyway?
Conservatards Gotta Love Em...............LOLZZZ
Exactly Independent thinker!
The appropriate word is RESPONSIBLE.
I'll take this a little further -- we need to have all of those RESPONSIBLE gun owners out there and make them RESPONSIBLE for their guns! That ranges from the private, one-gun owner all the way to the manufacturers and distributors!
The law that needs to be in effect is the one that puts strong penalties on owners of "the ones that get away". Yes, it means that if a gun is lost or stolen, the owner has 24 hours to report it, along with the serial number, to law enforcement. Don't do it? If that gun is used for any ill purpose -- you go to jail. Period. This is the case for ONE gun or a shipment of guns.
Here are a few more:
Want a gun? Better show you can use it and keep it safe. If you don't, and there is an "accident", the gun owner is responsible. He or she goes to jail. Period.
If a gun is found at a crime scene, or in possession of a person who is legally barred from owning it, it's destroyed. (BTW: I would support a VERY limited exception for rare antiques that could be offered to a museum.) The person goes to jail. Period.
Transfer a gun to a person who is legally not allowed to possess one, the gun is destroyed, both go to jail. Period.
Anyone convicted of a crime (outside of traffic citations) ... no gun. If it is a misdemeanor, it doesn't have to be a permanent ban.
Anyone determined to be mentally incompetent/dangerous to themselves or others ... no gun. This person can request re-evaluation every so many years.
Just some ideas ... but they revolve around RESPONSIBILITY and COMMON SENSE .. keeping the guns out of the hands of bad guys.
I would happily respond to other, respectfully put, ideas.
Hmmmmmmm, I wonder how many drugs have been found in their bags or lockers? I’ll wager many more drugs than guns have been found.
Of course PMSNBC won’t admit how many drugs are found because our “war on drugs” has been sush an abysmal failure. About 17% of American high school students drink, smoke or use drugs during the school day, a new survey by the National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse at Columbia University reported last August.
In 2011, 36% of high school students said their school was “drug-infected.” But in the past year, that figure jumped to 54%.
Yet now the government wants to wage a “war on Guns”. More symbolism over substance.
100 people die from drug overdoses every day in the United States.
In 2008, more than 36,000 people died from drug overdoses, and many of these deaths—14,800—were caused by prescription drugs.
In 2010, 2 million people reported using prescription painkillers nonmedically for the first time within the last year—nearly 5,500 a day.
We have tens of thousands of under/unemployed military that would be perfect for the security we need in our schools.
If you’re concerned about how to pay for all this added security, let me offer a suggestion.
The federal government made at least $110 billion in improper payments in 2012.
Just recovering 25% of this waste, fraud and abuse would create 500,000 jobs at $50,000 a year for some well trained experienced security.
It this isn’t enough, how about we fix this problem?
Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.
I have over 400 more examples of the waste, fraud, abuse and corruption in our government. There’s plenty of money out there, we just need a responsible and accountable government willing to rein in the massive amount of waste, fraud and abuse.
So if you think our government has a hard time with their “war on drugs”, wait until they unleash their latest power and money grab, the “War on Drugs”.
More importantly, perhaps our government should make sure our criminal public school system actually graduates literate students instead or indoctrinated zombies that read at an 8th grade level.
Maybe then they won’t need drugs and guns to survive.
@2FAST4U1701: By automatic I'm guessing that you are referring to a Class III firearm. A little difficult yes........Impossible?
I'm referring to any fully automatic/selective fire weapon such as an M-60, AK-47 or M-16.
That's why I said "almost".
Also, those are only the federal rules. Consider the various state and local laws, too (which don't exist for motor vehicles!). For example, selective fire weapons are *entirely* illegal to own in Connecticut (unless you can provide documents proving that it was built in it's current configuration before 13 September 1994). You are also fingerprinted and have to prove citizenship, which is funny since you don't have to do that to vote!
No matter how we scratch it, the fact is that guns are already far more regulated than any other consumer good in the nation. I'm not saying that's a bad thing. But I am saying that there are a lot of folks here that don't even understand the difference between an AR-15 and an M-16. Which is like saying someone doesn't understand the difference between a Ryder rental van (speed limit: 60) and a sports car.
So, there were 48 incidents and "all of the weapons were handguns, rifles, BB guns or air rifles." So, there could have been 1 real handgun and 47 BB guns. Please just give us the real numbers...and not artifically inflate them with BB guns. And rifles? Really? What kid smuggles a rifle into his locker? How do you even do that without getting caught?
Correction to my post #1.52:
So if you think our government has a hard time with their “war on drugs”, wait until they unleash their latest power and money grab, the “War on Drugs”.
It should read:
So if you think our government has a hard time with their “war on drugs”, wait until they unleash their latest power and money grab, the “War on Guns”.
To all the people who want to ban all guns - I get what you want to do, but you are arguing from an emotional position rather than a logical/rational position. When you say "ban all guns" - an overly simplistic knee-jerk reaction to a horrific event - I hear Marie Antoinette - on being told the peasants didn't have bread - saying "Let them have cake". Of course - we know what happens to that little stupid princess who had now knowledge of the reality or how to even handle the reality of a large group of people starving while she had the luxury of cake every day.
If you make analogies - make them similar in substance instead of twisting facts to serve your purpose. (Dealers take your license because they want to run a credit check - they don't care or have access to your criminal record.)
Consider the alternatives and what would be the unintended consequences if guns are banned. Dylan Klebold was planning to blow up his school Fires/arson are very easy to start - and all you have to do is lock the doors and trap the victims inside. We have date rape drugs - what about poisoning some group of people. Not only that - it sets a dangerous precedent when we overturn constitutional rights such as the right to bear arms. There are millions of gun owners who are peaceful law abiding citizens who are being unfairly lumped with deviant sociopaths who illegally obtained access to guns. For example - just because a beloved family member was killed by a car, should we ban all cars? The driver was drunk. Should we also ban all alcoholic beverages a la Prohibition (an abysmal failure that helped the crime families gain and consolidate power)? You see - guns aren't really the issue. It's just that many of you have no relationship with guns - you never owned guns, you weren't raised with guns, you've never been personally victimized (wife beating sort of abuse), you've never been assaulted on the streets with no hope of rescue. You've lived in this safe little bubble and think that by banning guns, that bubble will somehow magically extend. I'm sorry, bubbles are fragile. Bubbles pop. If it's not guns - it will be something just as horrific.
I would like it if schools and society (especially parents) would take a hard look at what values we impart to the young, especially young males. (Sorry for picking on males but if you look at the violent incidents - one of the common factors was that the agressor was a male.) Bullying, aggressive behavior, violent behavior emulation and unspoken support of violent behavior with trite phrases such as "boys will be boys" need to be addressed. Our young citizens need to learn how to behave in a polite society. We don't live in ancient Rome, we don't live in the wild west. We live in a relatively peace-loving, civilized, law-abiding society.
While I am opposed to a universal gun ban, I am not opposed to a ban on military grade weaponry. Sorry - when I leave my suburban home and go into my car in my nice office attire, I don't see a war zone (unless it's my neighbors who are determined to destroy crabgrass encoachment or the wildlife population). I don't see a need for civilians to have military weapons that really do belong in an active war zone. I don't want my neighbor to get a bazooka nor do I want to get a missile installation on my lawn.
@jh-2945581:
Indeed. I think about the home invasion case in Cheshire, Connecticut often. It's only 5 years and 30 miles from Sandy Hook.
While I am opposed to a universal gun ban, I am not opposed to a ban on military grade weaponry.
...and military grade weapons have been banned since 1986.
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Promote mace.
Scan everyone stepping on school property.
Many schools already have metal detectors present, at the entrance to the school. You can't get in without going through it.
Promote independent thought.
There's way to much of that already..
We need to ask ourselves, why is NBC News is including BB guns and air rifles in their survey. Nobody is even talking about air gun control right now.
Promote critical thinking!
So this is what happens when we freak out and run for guns. We make our children paranoid and scared.
Or are we saying....Here honey I packed your lunch & your gun.
Our children need to feel safe....A gun does not do that....A sane parent does.
Because many, if not most police departments consider them to be firearms, and offenders are charged accordingly.
A BB gun is no more a firearm than a slingshot is.
Background check? Hell, lets make it an intelligence test. A sign with Dopey from the Seven Dwarfs holding up his hand on next to an intelligence scale with a big word balloon saying - You must be this smart to buy a gun!
Use a gun go to jail, in these cases of kids bringing guns onto school there should be no question of the culpability of the parent or guardian for failing to properly secure firearms in the home. Too many adults are out of touch with their children, that must change. Parenting by electronic substitutes needs to be replaced with outdoor activities and parental interaction. We are accepting societal ills as normal, that's not allowable and needs to be replaced.
Because of all the 'anti-gun' retoric being spewed around, kids see guns in the same light as illegal drugs, the same as booze was during prohibition...they are all doing it because it's 'cool'....add this to the street thug mentality (lets wear our pants down to our knees with our ass hanging out) and this is what happens.
These kids are not getting their guns at licensed gun shops. There is an adult in each of these cases that allowed access to the gun. Where are the prosecutions of those responsible for giving these kids access to firearms? A good start would have been to prosecute the parents of the Columbine shooters. They bought the guns and gave them to the shooters.
The article said a lot of these kids brought guns to school because they said they had been bullied; a parent named Massey said that didn't make sense because if you were ten years old the only protection you needed was to tell an adult...
either he has been living under a rock the last few years, or he has a child who wears the label of "bully."
BB guns and air rifles are now counted as lethal weapons... well. Either the author of this story is trying to boost their sales or the Second Amendment is in for a serious "stand your ground" fight.
You know, the recurring theme is that the "liberals are going to take my guns away and we're soooo pizt they could do such a thing!" Why aren't you directing your anger towards your own? You should be ranting "you dumb azz! you're going to get all of our guns taken away by your stupidity". Even the Newton shootings might have been prevented if the mom would have grown a brain and locked up those guns so that only she had access to them.
Put your pressure where it's needed. Lock those guns up in gun safes so the kiddies and thieves can't get them. Put trigger locks on them. Tell the kids to leave them damned guns alone and make them believe it.
Unless you want others fixing YOUR problem, fix it yourselves!
mike 4098589
Just for the record I have pellet rifles( can call them BB guns )that I plink and use for skunks, possum,ect in my backyard that send .177 pellets at 11-1200 fps which is just under what a 22 rifle does. Don't think these can be deadly? I don't know what these kids carried to school but I guarantee I could hurt a person if I hit them right. To quote a famous movie " YOU'LL SHOOT YOUR EYE OUT KID "
It's too late. The inmates are running the asylum now.
2little2late...kids and guns from home are not like illegal drugs. Kids right now are using legal drugs more than illegal drugs. Guns for them are the legal drugs at home. They have easy access to both because their parents do not properly secure neither. It is not the fault of news organizations or violent movies or video games. It is the fault of the gun owening parents who leav them unlocked or poorly locked.
Blah blah blah, guns blah blah blah, same damn argument the lefties used in the seventies. Peace love and understanding and where has it gotten us? Right where we are now knee-jerk reactions to problems no one wants to really solve. I hear lots of talk about controlling guns, then gun violence, school bullies and such. Other than making a lot of rhetoric what are you really doing, nothing. Passing some laws that are unenforceable in an attempt to prevent people intent on committing a crime from doing so. News flash, people who intend to will use a gun, a knife, a club or whatever to do the deed. Should kids be able to get guns, real guns that is. The answer is no, but we already have laws for that do we not? This article is nothing but more fluff for the overall intent of raising ire and ilk of the people by those who want to get paid. The higher the ratings the more money. Have there been acts committed that would have not even been considered 30 years ago, yes but that is a cultural issue not a gun issue. Chicago had 500 murders last year, yet I do not see recurring articles on that, it was only used to support the present hot issue of the day. Once passed all these new laws will fall to the wayside in favor of some new crisis. One question for everyone to ask and consider. How will the ban prevent future atrocities against socitety? How will the government pay for all these new restrictions and how will it really help the 500 families who suffered a loss that was caused by the current accepted environment in Chicago, the home of one of the toughest gun control laws in the United States? I say it will do nothing because the answer to the 57 dollar question has and will continue to be fake.
Sane parents only in a sane society! Sorry but this society is insane and going quicker into insanity. Our kids need to be taught morals but not by a government that promotes such things as gay marriage, because that is just as insane as kids carry guns to school!
Geesh! Now we've got them saying gay marriage is as dangerous as guns. I'm a second amendment fan, but some of you boneheads make it really hard.
I believe that the time has come for our Officers of the Law and for School Principals to stand up to kids/teens with guns on them--- over that of their own personal fears. Years ago while substituting at a local HS, A student came into class packing a gun in a holster under his jacket. Yet he didn't conceal it well for I saw it!
Yes I reported as soon as able to the Principal as was my responsibility. Yet instead of doing anything about it, I was sent home for failing to complete my responsibilities and the following day I was fired for the same.
Although the job was a simple form of extra funds, I was more concerned for the students then myself. 2 days later I parked by the school just to see if this student had been suspended or expelled. NOPE he was hanging across the street from the school with his buds and when that first bell rang they went into the school with the gun under his jacket just as before. YOU could see the Bulge of the holster and gun.
Quite scary isn't it that guns and kids in gangs can run a school when the principal is too scared to do anything about it! And this happens daily all over the USA.
Anyone else out there notice NBC puts out at least 1 story a day that relates to gun control or gun violence control?
@Bob Fu
Yah, you have to wonder why they aren't reporting ALL of them, and only picking one a day.
The popular hype and trendy thing is gun CONTROL - AGAIN. Guns are not the problem, people are. An air gun / BB gun is NOT a firearm.= There is no "fire" when it shoots. Most of the "assault weapons" shown to the press are, in fact, legal hunting rifles, 'dressed up". The AR-15 is a legal hunting rifle in some states and is considered an assault weapon by the media - IT LOOKS LIKE MILITARY. The 15+ magazine ban will make most police officers crimiinals = most of them carry pistols that hold 15 rounds. Common sence needs to prevail. Most people know that guns and drugs can be had "on the street" at any time. When a drug dealer is caught with a gun he is prosecuted for that too. We need mandantory sentencing for crimes INVOLVING a firearm - over and above the crime itself.
Kids wanting to protect themselves “….just doesn't make sense," said Jeremy Massey, "If you are 10 years old, the only protection you need is to go tell an adult," Massey told NBC….”.
Jeremy, using that same rationale, the only protection that adults need is to go and tell the police department and then wait until help arrives too!!!
We can’t have it both ways. Either kids facing criminal behavior should have the right to protect themselves without having to endure further victimization before a responsible adult can successfully intervene, OR, adults facing criminal behavior should also be required to wait until responsible security help arrives.
The problem every single time that a kid has a gun in his hand in an unsupervised situation is because an adult gun owner was irresponsible with their weapons storage practices and/or they failed in their duty to society to successfully protect the child involved too.
I could see stiffer legal penalties for adult gun owners who fail to responsibly secure their weapons when those weapons end-up in the hands of kids.
I am also quite in-favor of a move by our society away from lethal personal protection weaponry toward non-lethal technology, which has already been proven and is also readily available too.
How much less-dangerous will a kid to be to society if he is only armed with a Taser or a stun gun that some irresponsible adult failed to secure?
PS: Why are kids with BB guns included in this story?
Because in many States there is zero differentiation between bringing a BB gun to school and bringing an assault rifle with a 50 round clip to school. In fact, just last year within five miles of where I live in suburban Denver, a middle-schooler who brought a BB gun to school that he claimed that he had found that very morning walking to school was charged with multiple serious felony offenses and jailed without bond awaiting trial as an adult, even though nobody got shot, which I will agree seems a extremely excessive manner of dealing with the facts at hand. In-fact, 40 years ago only, a kid bringing a BB gun to school would have only required a trip to the Principal's office for a discussion with the parents involved and maybe a 3-day suspension from school too!
What possible good can come from charging a middle-school kid as an adult for the crime of bringing a BB gun to school? Maybe the main reason to do so is to create an expensive job for the local legal industry involved, as it sure doesn't do the involved kid or his family any good, nor does it protect society any more than very marginally either.
Perhaps if a kid holding a BB gun is considered akin to terrorism then BB guns should be illegal too, which I feel strongly would be a much more responsible way of protecting kids too?
2little2late, I really don't think that these kids are making the equation between guns and prohibition. They have guns because their parents allow them to bring them to school. I cannot imagine how a gun is going to protect against "bullying" - all that it is going to do is escalate the situation. Then, in your next sentence, you imply that not prohibiting students from doing something (wearing their pants pulled down) makes them want to do it - which is the culprit? Prohibiting or not prohibiting something?
itgranny, you have it absolutely right with both comments! I love how those who want "less government" are in a tizzy over gay marriage. Of course, the gun fanatics - as opposed to vast majority of responsible gun owners - don't police their own. Their nutball "the ebil gummint" conspiracy theory is not an observation, but a form of identity, a cult with them. They lack social skills.
Irvmani, #2.21:
So what is your theory as to why Detroit's murder rate in the 1960s and 1970s was so very high, back when gun ownership there was several times as high as gun ownership is today in Chicago?
Back in the early 1970s metro-Detroit averaged close to 800 murders per year even though virtually every adult doing business in the inner-city was armed.
I'll say this Irv: The theory of mass gun ownership greatly reducing violent crime in urban America has already been tried and proved beyond any reasonable doubt to be a severely flawed strategy too.
My guess about Chicago and its very-restrictive gun laws is that if their policy continues for a number of years that the incidence of irresponsible gun owners and the number of illegal weapons on the street will decline substantially over time, thereby eventually reducing violent crime rates.
Look at NYC for instance, which has also had a very-restrictive law against mass handgun ownership for some time now, where their incidence of handgun violence within the city is down by 60% since the law was enacted.
What is your feeling about a successful policy strategy that has greatly reduced the incidence of handgun violence in America's largest city? Don't want to talk about it, eh?
Blaming guns for these actions is no different than:
blaming pencils for typographical errors;
blaming libraries for ignorance;
blaming flatware for obesity;
blaming matches for arson;
blaming alcohol for drunk driving;
blaming fatty foods for heart disease;
blaming smoking for cancer;
blaming rocks for broken windows.
EVERYTHING comes down the the CHOICE of the USER.
It used to be the FATHER'S job, with the help of the mother, to TRAIN the children, (esp. the boys), to be morally straight and upright. The decline started in the early 20th century with the marginalization of the role of the father. And now the role of the TRADITIONAL family, which thanks to attacks on numerous fronts, is all but gone. And the liberals STILL continue to lay blame where it does not go. If liberals REALLY cared about society, and not just themselves and their self-serving pleasures, they would look to actually HELP the person or people who are causing these problems. And the irony is that most of these perps are from liberal homes! (Sandy Hook, Aurora, VA Tech, Phoenix, Columbine...) Pathetic...
Bill Stevens Gun Violence Prevention Working Group Public Hearing
I am starting to believe much of what is happening, the violence that is allowed on TV, games and in movies in our homes, guns issued to just about anyone who can sign their name, the cuts made to social programs and services to help families, the cuts to education and cuts to mental health programs - they've all been done with the approval of our government so that when our government shifts to a police state, it will all make sense because they are doing it for the protection, security and safety of us all. Then it will be a call to give up your guns or be labeled a terrorist and drone strikes will be called down on your home. The loyalists will receive top positions in society while those who protest the change will be herded into camps for reorientation and branding then placed on work forces for the benefit of the new union. This isn't a Democrat or a Republican dream, the wealthy of both parties would benefit from such a situation. Taxes would go up to 60% for the peons and our rulers could openly live the lives of luxury their family dynasties in our government have worked for all these years and they so well deserve - they will finally be able to like like true kings and queens!
48 instances in 23 days - Oh God it's a crime tidal wave!
Oooooppppsss I forgot something. Chicago has had 500 homicides in just over 30 days.
48 Vs. 500.... I think I know where the real crime tidal wave is and amazingly all those strict gun laws don't really seem to be slowing things down any.
To ALL who really believe that Be Be Guns are safe-----sorry but YOU are WRONG!
I have seen a kid permanantly loose an eye due to a BeBe gun, I have seen deer and elk both drop as a result of being shot too many times in a short amount of time with Be Be Guns
And I watched my neighbor panic as she rushed her 2 year old to the Hospital for a Be Be gun accidentally shot this baby in the ear!
Sorry but Be Be guns are not toys as many believe for they are dangerous to innocent bystanders!
Kids play with them while modeling after their gun happy parent. No shame in targeting an innocent animal right? WRONG! Be Ber Guns can promote violence unintentionally or with pure intention to see an animal run away!
Thus for too many the use of a Be be Gun is intentional cruelity!
Scott-610194
"Promote critical thinking!" Damn Straight, Skippy! good call.
And forget about, "why is NBC News is including BB guns and air rifles in their survey" those are stuck on stupid, and "that special kind of stupid", as Sam Eliot says, because they seem unable to accept the Truth and the Facts. They can only demonize the inanimate object, because they are "Serfs" dependent upon the "Lord of the Manor" (Uncle Sam) to take care of them.
30 years ago, I was in High School, 4A school, about 500 hundred students, with an attached Jr Hr, of about 250 more. You could walk across the street to the parking lot, at during the hunting seasons, and count perhaps a minimum of 100 .22s, Shotguns, High power Rifles, and pistols of various flavors. I usually had a .22 bolt action and a pump shotgun, or pump shotgun and pump .30-'06.
When I was 12 or 13, I routinely took my single shot .410 (on the bus, lived on a farm, Obviously) to school, and on a different bus, to a friends home. And I would spend a weekend with him, and we would go hunting.
WHAT HAS CHANGED IN 30 YEARS??!!
"The intelligence of a people is inversely proportional to the size of city and the length of time spent there in". Robert Reedy 1980
“To paraphrase Chairman Mao: Freedom and Oppression are dispensed from the END of a gun. Which END are you on?” Robert Reedy 2008
And to the right-minded people here, remember to vote up those you agree with. Or add a Kudos or a Ditto as a comment.
@ haggisbingo-2225582
WHAT WAS THAT HAGGIS?
I CAN'T HEAR YOU OVER THE DIN OF ALL THE NOISE IN THE ROOM.
YOU'LL TO SPEAK UP.
MAYBE IF YOU SHOUT, LIKE I AM DOING NOW, OTHERS CAN HEAR YOU BETTER.
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@DumbFarmBoy
I'm surprised you found capital letters to use. I thought haggis took them all.
@Haggis
@OldGreyWolf
@DumbFarmBoy
Apparently, Sparky, you didn't forget - you simply never knew. The 506 reported homicides in Chicago occurred over a YEAR, not over a month.
Probably not a good idea to put such abject ignorance on such broad display.
oh no worries.. obama's new gun laws will put a stop to all of this /rolls eyes
@OldGreyWolf
Yep, Feisty is the typical, clueless left wing extremist who think all those biased statistics mean something
their views and arguments really crack me up
sillyshrinks
It's BB gun. And BB is actually the size of the pellet:
FF .23" (5.84 mm)
F .22" (5.59 mm)
TT .21" (5.33 mm)
T .20" (5.08 mm)
BBB .190" (4.83 mm)
BB .180" (4.57 mm)
B .170" (4.32 mm)
1 .160" (4.06 mm)
2 .150" (3.81 mm)
3 .140" (3.56 mm)
4 .130" (3.30 mm)
5 .120" (3.05 mm)
6 .110" (2.79 mm)
7 .100" (2.54 mm)
7½ .095" (2.41 mm)
8 .090" (2.29 mm)
8½ .085" (2.15 mm)
9 .080" (2.03 mm)
And like all THINGS, they are only as safe as the operator, and there IS an age limit on them as well.
Standard BB gun? Not a chance. Maybe one of the larger pneumatic rifles of a higher caliber. I have an old Daisy 880 Powerline that some people wanted to ban because of the power it HAS. Yeah, I know what it can do. So I find what you said to be a very hard to believe.
I propose that ALL school children be given a gun and be trained on how to use it properly. This would level the playing field but make sure all the guns are the same caliber.....No Cheating!!!!!
Here we go again with ANOTHER article BLAMING GUNS for the problem. Interesting these type articles continue to pop-up every day. Must be the love in the air for Mr. Obama's agenda.
If a child is found with a gun (any gun) on any campus, then the PARENTS should be held totally responsible for the child having the "gun".
Further, the child should be expelled from school.
Finally, the parent(s) name(s) should go on a list of folks restricted from ever buying a gun/weapon again.
Ban humans & all of the worlds problems will go away. Who wants to be first in line? LOL
@Haggis
Typical, lack of a debate and retorting with an insult. Got nothing constructive to add?
Child's play and making your words as big as they can be just makes people ignore you.
"The only people mad at you for speaking the truth are those living a lie. If you can't handle it, then your first reaction is to insult. It's all you have once everything comes together. Denial is a powerful thing."
Looks like it's mainly a red state problem...ban red states
Eliminate 50 state set up. Make this country one big state run by Washington DC. Go all the way: One political party. Eliminates a lot of problems.
Confiscate all the weapons from the home of a child who shows up at school with a gun. The parents should never be able to own a gun again.
@WisconsinDad - It's more of an urban problem, but kids can feel unsafe anywhere. It really depends on the schools and what they tolerate. I chose where to raise my kids based on the school system being a good one with strong anti-bullying policies and not tolerating gangs, but I still had to read the riot act to one of the principals. He had wanted to help a kid who had a family who was apathetic to his needs. The kids was a known bully among the others and frequently resorted to physical violence. The principal didn't want to come down hard because "he is having the best scholastic year he has ever had." I read him the policies of his district and asked him how many kids were going to be sentenced to having a terrible year so that one kid can avoid consequences and have a good one. I also reminded him that the district committed itself to providing a safe environment that promoted learning and that his actions were working counter to that core goal.
We need to not tolerate behavior that makes kids feel threatened and unsafe in their schools. That should help them feel that they don't have to carry weapons (guns, knives, clubs, etc.) to protect themselves.
-Another Wisconsin Dad
wisconsin dad doesn't read much, lol! Guess he's one of those 'low information' voters!
Inner city schools are the ones with the problem... Chicago is a great example... strict gun control laws yet the highest murder rate in the country!
I agree George, another biased liberal media story. Wisconsin day and other close minded folks are missing the point, don't blame guns, blame parents who don't know how to be parents...
Why is it that none of the disturbed and evil men, who steal guns, then go
and kill movie-goers and children in school, has ever been identified as a
conservative NRA member?
Ft Hood~~~ Registered Democrat ~ Muslim
Columbine ~~~ Too young to vote; both families were registered
Democrats and progressive liberals
Virginia Tech ~~~ Wrote hate mail to President Bush and to his staff ~
Registered Democrat
Colorado Theater ~~~ Registered Democrat; staff worker on the Obama
Campaign; Occupy Wall Street participant;
Progressive liberal
Connecticut School Shooter- ~~~ Registered Democrat; hated Christians,
Common thread is that all of these shooters were progressive liberal
Democrats."
I guess the Liberals are right, THEY SHOULDN'T OWN GUNS!!!
LOL...I'm a liberal Democrat and I own several. Your ignorance abounds as much as mine I guess :) You're one of those dyed in the wool Republicans aren't ya Bill. You know...'my grandaddy voted Republican, my daddy voted Republican so I vote Republican'. You don't care if your party lies to you and strings you along like a dog...and you call Democrats sheeple. Yeah...Republicans...the party of family values. I can't count the number of incidents in the past two years of Republican elected officials showing off their 'family values'...or is it jewels...to someone besides their spouse. When it happens your type can't defend them or even defend family values. All you can say is 'what about Clinton and Weiner'. Well son, dozens of incidents eclipse two. Great family values they expect you to buy into. Yeah Republicans...job creators. Here in my state the Republican governor elect promised to create 250,000 jobs by 2015. That's not working so well for him...we're LOSING jobs...and it's the same story in pretty much every state with a Republican governor. Big job creators. Don't forget the ladies..as I said before they love their ladies. Any woman that votes Republican should have their head examined. Unless of course they LIKE their rights stripped to make money for corporations, or have their bodies invaded against their will. In closing I'd like to say your party is in it's death throes. Every day it's a new debacle that shows just how weak it's becoming. I give it about 8 more years but it's inevitable. Independents are just WAITING to sweep in and fill the vacuum. Have a great day.
FORTY MORE YEARS! FORTY MORE YEARS! :)
bill t
Why is it every time someone prints the facts, you call it a liberal media story? Is it because you didn't see it on bull@!$%# mountain news (fox news)? Then you print a lot of bull@!$%# comments based on no facts at all. Is that what you consider conservative news?
Wow I find it a problem with society when people need to be taught to keep their guns and ammunition out of the hands of children. I also find it a problem with society when their kids arent taught to understand gun safety. As a gun owner, Id drill it into my kids head at a very early age. Then all these stupid people come out of nowhere talking "Ban guns! Ban guns! They're killing everybody!" Nooooo. Stupid people are killing everybody and getting everybody killed, But the "Ban the guns" people are even stupider for blaming an inanimate object. I dont know why or how people have become so stupid in recent years but I think its time people put down the TV remote, Xbox controller, and their smart phones and "Learnt demselves sumtin." Im f'in 19 and I have more sense than these fools. Then everyone wonders whats so depressing and unmotivating in this world.
Maybe the kids are bringing guns to school because they feel threatened and know the ludicrous policies in place offer them no real protection....All the idiots marching with posters reading "No guns in my school" and making their kids do so as well should take those posters to a shooting range. Cardboard has been proven rather inept at stopping a bullet...
Security drills in place locally have all the kids sit quietly in a circle in a corner of the classroom...another fine way to stop a bullet....
When are we going to give all our schools armed security (hopefully returning veterans)? The NRA is right. The only thing that stops a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun.
Wisconsin Dad, loved your first post. Bam! I myself am waiting for the death of BOTH parties.
We shouldve had armed security at schools as soon as the president got armed security at his. Its sad enough that we even have to have security at a school with children. What happened to people, 50-60 years ago nobody wouldve ever let the thought of gun control come across their mind. They didnt need it because everyone had somewhat of a brain. Peoples brains are handed to them in a box that says Apple Inc. on it in this day and age.
@zen
the more likely scenario is that these kids are hearing their gun-owning parents rant about how they'll be damned if the their 'right' to have a gun is taken away, and that they think their kids will be safer if they were armed themselves. They may not always do as they are told, but kids do listen in on their parents conversations.
Wisconsindad....Forty more years, forty more years!! ?????? Soooooo you want a dictatorship in this country?? Thought processes like that is just all the more reason for me to stock up on ammo, cause when you get your wish, and people start starving to death (like in all countries with dictators = read up buddy) and they come breaking into your house looking for whatever you have, what will you do then?? Think your forty more years will come and rescue you....LOL Sure, right, you have it all figured out huh.
wisc. dad, the tone of your posts make me hope you have no children! Can't imagine growing up with such a narrow minded parent, yikes!
Jim...as I alluded in my post above...It's the Republicans that are narrow minded. Heck, I've got no problem with most Independents. But as I said, the Republicans and the Tea Party won't be around long. Enjoy your life of hate.
"...When are we going to give all our schools armed security (hopefully returning veterans)?..." -- Wow, you're taking LaPierre's advice one step further? This coming right at the heels of the Kyle incident? For the benefit of these returning vets, especially those with PTSD, they should be counseled to stay away from guns as much as possible, for a long time.
I live 40 miles south of Nashville; we have had SROs, armed sheriff's deputies, in our county's schools since 1995 and the reaction to the program is very positive. The SRO in addition to being there for armed security is also the point man for EMS and Fire should the need arise. Having this person on scene provides a communication link that expedites response and provides for increased safety in matters beyond any intrusion be it armed or otherwise.
People who continue to make reference to Sidwell Academy as having armed security need to check their facts. While I may take exception to POTUS on many matters the only armed security is that provided by our Secret Service to members of the first family. No members of the Sidwell security staff is armed.
bl34
I agree with the early training. I taught both my kids gun safety at a very early age. They loved to go shooting. After they had been taught, the rule was, make a mistake when we are out you are done for the day. This made them understand " one mistake is all it takes with a gun " after a time or 2 of sitting out while the rest of us had fun there were no more mistakes.
yada, yada, blah, blah, blah... guns don't kill people until someone packs heat, aims and pulls the trigger right? Besides, as per our leader LaPierre instructions "only a good student with a gun can stop a bad one". Issue guns at registration, and turn the football fields into firing ranges for practice! In fact I'm surprised the NRA hasn't thought about that yet.
zen...I hope your armed guard has eyes in the back of his head, because he'd be an easy mark for some of these high school kids to quickly disarm him and then he'll be the one on the hook for allowing "kids" to steal his weapon, possibly to use it to commit a crime.
And then, the kids will be just as "vulnerable" to a mass shooting as ever! AND, there will be yet another firearm in the hands of people possibly intent on using it for their criminal efforts. Gee, I'm beginning to warm up to the "good guys with weapons" idea in our schools! Thanks!!
bl34 - you speak as if President Obama's children are the first President's children to have Secret Service protection. Get over it
Rick...while your intentions there were undoubtedly good, keep in mind that a "mistake" with a loaded firearm could mean the death of an innocent bystander. It's not the same as "ooops, you colored outside the lines"! Doing the equivalent of a "time out" (which is less than a slap on the wrist, in my mind) will not instill the importance of firearm safety to kids!! Try taking them to an inner-city trauma ward and let them see, firsthand, the devastation guns can do when misused! Let them spend time in a prison cell, with Bubba, the murderer.
Owning a gun may be a right, but it also is a HUGE responsibility put on the owner to make EVERY effort not to misuse the weapon AND and make every effort to keep it from getting into the wrong hands. If that effort means you cannot transfer a weapon to another person without a background check and mental illness check, then that's what needs to happen. And, treating gun safety any less important than that will not be effective enough, will not leave an impression on a young person.
As a former Navy Small Arms Instructor AND "mentor" for Boy Scouts, weapons safety is first and foremost > When teaching/coaching scouts (using a .22 rifle) the first shot, by me, is at a pint milk carton filled with strawberry jello. That may seem a bit graphic but it shows the power of guns in a safe and REMEMBERED way. My granddaughters were impressed when I let them do it. I was taught as a pre-schooler, that to only point (any) gun at something that you want to shoot - AND - KEEP THE MUZZLE DOWNRANGE.
If you want to see a low information voter, GHS, your mirror is clearly the first place to start. At a rate of over 15 murders for every 100,000 people, Chicago not only doesn't have the highest murder rate, theirs isn't even in the top 15.
Is your ignorance willful or merely unfortunate?
I propose that ALL school children be given a gun and be trained on how to use it properly. This would level the playing field but make sure all the guns are the same caliber.....No Cheating!!!!!
Wow! where do these kids get these guns from? Wake Up! America
I'm awake. My guns and ammunition are locked in safes and the keys are locked in a hidden key safe.
That's a problem I have with these articles, they NEVER tell a whole thing just half of it. You never hear any of these stories til something happens and than every story from the last six months to a year are brought out of some dusty file cabinate and put on the table. There probably aren't 6 incidents a year but they make it sound like 6 incidents a day.
Did you read the article? 48 incidents since January 1st. 2 incidents a day.
Good Mornin Takenaka, or Good Evening in the Land of the Rising Sun! Glad to see you are expanding your research-ology and finding statistics to support your beliefs. Have a Good Day.
PS: Also a good note to point out the lack of reading the article.
Ahh, but reading the article is only half the story. It's interesting that they mentioned the school shooting in Atlanta twice, but never mentioned how it was stopped by the school's armed security guard.
Kinda makes you wonder what other things they leave out of these articles because they don't push the right agenda.
I wonder how many of the 48 incidents this year were air guns. I also wonder how many other incidents so far this year, involved knives and other deadly weapons. We need the full picture.
Firearms and air guns are two completely different classes of weapons. One is considered deadly and the other is not. They should never be counted together.
Takenaka: "Did you read the article? 48 incidents since January 1st. 2 incidents a day."
Did you read any of the laws on the books? Maybe if laws were enforced and prison sentences for violent crimes were made to be harsh we wouldn't be here in the first place. So you have to wonder if the ball was dropped before you go blaming inanimate objects. If you don't, you're the loon you make yourself out to be.
They get their guns from stupid, careless parents/guardians. One of the basic safety rules of the NRA is for a secure method of storage to be employed in the home so that no unauthorized person may gain access to any firearm.
Anyone who doesn't grasp this concept needs to read the post from Wisconsin Dad.
My grand-daughter learned this as part of the 'Eddie the Eagle' safety program when she went to 4-H camp, shooting sports were included in the camp program. She was impressed that they taught the same safety rules that she was learning from Grampa, and were posted at our local gun club.
Since this should be a reasonable discussion, could we please refrain from any ad hominem diatribes?
See WisconsinDad...here's where the argument of suitable gun storage, however secure, can be argued against on both sides of the gun debate.
If, say, a person breaks into your home, and your alert to this intrusion is that you hear the window break. You, as an armed homeowner, now have to get to your key safe, find the keys to your gun safe, go into wherever you have your gun safe, unlock the safe, get your gun (which is stored unloaded, with the ammo stored in a totally separate place, to be totally safe from misuse), go to where your ammo is stored (hopefully, another secured safe) get the ammo out, load your weapon, then go put a few rounds through some scuzzball's head! Trouble is, all that takes, maybe 2 minutes, and guess what??!! 30 seconds after he breaks in, he has a gun to your head....ah sh!t!! BOOM! Your lights go out and you're off to see the Maker. And the thing is, you did everything exactly as you needed to to keep your arms, which you have the constitutional right to own, safe! And yet, you still died!! The gun rights people see that as unacceptable!! They should be able to keep a loaded weapon within arm's reach AT ALL TIMES! They will tell you there should be no reason why you need to take such measures to keep guns secured properly.
And the anti-gun folks will say...what if the intruder didn't kill you, but instead, tortured you into giving him the keys to your gun safe? What if, all he wanted, was your guns? Your life, for your guns! Sure, you lived, but it could very well be that countless others will be wounded or killed with guns stolen from you. If you had no guns to steal, there would be no reason for the break-in.
Look, I'm not saying what you're currently doing is wrong, because as the laws stand right now, it sounds like you're doing what you need to to secure your weapons as best you can. But, if someone wants the guns you have, even a gun safe won't deter them. Either they will get you to tell them where the key and the safe is, or they kill you, and find the damn things themselves.
In answer Martha,
they get them from their parents, on inner city street corners, from drug dealers, illegals coming in from South of our Border and anywhere and everywhere else they can.
Gangs also supply alot, more then most want to acknowledge---to them it is similar to drugs---ya want a gun then they will find you one for a price. Ya want some herion they will find you that too---double bonus for both!
And they can simply pick up a catalog and buy one with Mommy's Credit Card. When the bill comes in it doesn't show what was bought so the kid simply tells mom that he/she bought a shirt, hoodie or pair of cool pants or a coat. Where is the purchase; gosh mom he left it at school!
They're mostly, by law, stolen. The kids with them did not purchase them, do not have legal title to them ('do not own them' in layman's terms), and are not authorized to have them in their possession by people who do rightfully own them.
But, it is very common for the person who does have legal title to them to be God-knows-where, if even alive. About two hours from my home, a .357 revolver that was confiscated during an arrest was traced back to a burglary in 1981! Over thirty years later, the person who it was stolen from may no longer be a resident of this state, and possibly not even alive anymore. No one knows how many times it changed hands out on the streets, where handguns are an equivalent to currency. They're traded back and forth quite a lot! Criminals often steal stolen guns from each other...strangely, no one ever wants to report those thefts for some reason...
The article cited that the numbers include air guns, which cover CO2 and spring piston types of BB and pellet pistols. I suspect the numbers are highly tilted towards those as they can be purchased at the nearest Wal Mart for about $30 on up by any adult, with no paperwork or background check as they're not a firearm as defined by federal law and therefore not regulated as such. There are a lot out there, manufactured over the past 40-50 years, and they're commonly found in attics, basements, garages, flea markets, tag sales, etc., often for very little money. I'd say they're about as common as skateboards in US households and they're treated about the same as far as storage goes. Not hard at all for a kid to find one somewhere and 'borrow' it, also easy enough for an adolescent to buy very inexpensively, if not just be given outright, and a younger sibling may well help themselves to it after that.
Actual firearms are usually coming from criminals, and a lot of these children have parents who are criminals. A lot of women with school age children date men who are up to no good and it's very common for them to bring a handgun with them when they come over to the woman's home. I know of a number of cases where such handguns were just left...probably stolen or used somewhere and the man didn't want to be caught with it. What happens to it after that is none of their concern, just as long as it's no longer in their possession. If his girlfriend's kid finds it, it doesn't bother him. Gangs are not usually supplying younger children, but may be a source of guns for older siblings, boyfriends of older sisters, cousins, or other adolescents that may be in a child's life.
Children in urban areas finding dumped or abandoned handguns should NEVER be underestimated. These guns are actually evidence if they can be tied to a crime, and a fleeing criminal has thrown them somewhere so as not to be caught with them. Children at play often find them.
Ha, ha, ha...funny. It just doesn't work that way. You can order a firearm of any type over the phone or over the internet, but unless you send them an ink signed copy of your Federal Firearms License, they can't ship it to you. To receive a firearm you order, you need to go to a gun dealer and have them send a signed copy of their FFL to the vendor, and the vendor will ship the gun to them. The dealer will, for a fee, log the gun into his inventory, then transfer it to you, after you fill out Form 4473 and undergo the NICS check. Naturally, if you're under 18 (rifle or shotgun) or 21 (handgun), the dealer isn't going to be transferring the gun to you! You might be able to order an air pistol or a black powder revolver replica via phone or online with a 'borrowed' credit card from some outfits that sell them. However, the name of the vendor appearing on the statement might not 'jive' with the clothing excuse...
The problem is too many kids are picked on by the jocks for being different. Now it is not just he jocks who are the problem, but the gangs in schools. If we can't control our schools, then blame guns? Pretty stupid. We need to have dress codes and no smoking on school property. We must do whatever it takes to get back control of our classrooms. Course, it may not be PC and we wouldn't want to offend any gang members. Disgusting.
You want school dress codes and smoking bans, but no gun control. WTF?
If you want to get control of the schools, then administration and parents need to change their attitudes. My husband teaches in a district where administration NEVER stands up to parent demands, even if those demands ultimately are to the detriment of the student... example: in this district kids do NOT have to meet deadlines for submitting homework. How does that prepare them for the real world? I know my boss would NEVER find it acceptable to get projects done late every time. Any idea how difficult that makes it for a teacher to grade papers when he's teaching a couple hundred kids a day and they're all turning papers in left and right? There's NO accountability, and it's not the teachers who are to blame... it's administration being wimps, parents making every excuse in the book and kids knowing they can just do as they please.
As far as kids getting their hands on guns... WTF?!?!?! Why aren't these mental midgets locking their guns up like a RESPONSIBLE parent to protect their child?!?!?! IMHO, examples should be made of these parents and the kids should be removed from the home by child protective services as it's OBVIOUSLY not a safe environment! The parents should then have to participate in gun safety classes before the child is returned to their care.
As far as the bullying thing, yes it's the jocks and popular kids, in addition to the wannabe's who are the biggest culprits... it's all a huge power-play. I was bullied from early grade school until I finally got up the guts to smack a beyotch across the face when she finally pushed me too far in Jr. High... after that the cretins started to back off. There should be ZERO tolerance for any mistreatment of anther student... but realistically, the jocks/popular kids are very good at being subtle enough to avoid detection unless closely observed or sucking up to adults and heaven forbid they be kept from participating in the sports programs.. the parents and coaches find that totally unacceptable. Where's any real consequences for these obnoxious brats? Many parents totally shirk their duty as a parent in teaching their children how to treat others with respect and dignity... and that entire attitude is incredibly prevalent in our society.
Our society has turned into such a 'I'm the center of the universe' mentality.. it's all about what 'I WANT' and 'don't care if you like it or not'. If someone else is getting hurt 'too bad, so sad' but don't dare do anything about it until you or yours is directly affected. We've lost all compassion, thus our children can't learn what we don't have to give them.
Last week I saw a comment to an article on gun control where some soulless thug freak made a comment to the effect of 'so a couple of kids got shot, who cares... don't take away my guns?'... I CARE and if they take away a few guns that have NO practical use and over sized magazines (reload, you lazy azzes!) too freaking bad!
I'd rather see a gun collector cry than a parent who lost their child.
Glimmerr: I have to agreed with you wholeheartedly....when I was in school (back in the 50's), we had very strict rules about EVERYTHING. We had a dress code, we had to bring a note from home when we stayed home due to illness, we had to have homework in on time, and we had to follow quite a few rules. It certainly taught us how to function in the real world. When I used to complain to my mom, she'd tell me, "How do you expect to learn how to survive when you get out of school if you don't learn it now?" She was SOOOO right! As you pointed out, if employees were consistently late getting projects completed, we'd never get anything accomplished in the business world. So many of these young men and women have NO concept of how to function once they graduate and get their first jobs. They don't know how to dress for work; they don't know how to act in a business atmosphere, and, they wonder why they are so "put upon" when their bosses complain to them about their productivity, etc. It's never been pointed out to them how to act and what is expected by employers...they seem to think that the job owes them something and not the other way around. These are things that they should be learning while getting their education.
As for guns.....I have to agree with all of those who clearly state that the parents should be punished for leaving unsecured weapons around for children to pick up! Of course, some people will say that they need their weapons "readily available" should something happen....but this is ridiculous! If you have to go get your weapon from a locked gun safe....it may give you a second to think about what you are about to do and perhaps weigh the consequences. Personally, I have a bat next to my bed....and I can smack anyone coming near me and disable them a lot quicker than I can get a handgun out of my nightstand, load the magazine, and shoot them! Plus, I wouldn't kill them....just disable them sufficiently for me to get up and call the police or disarm them and tie them up. They may end up with a major headache or a broken kneecap, but they will be alive to deal with their punishment!
Hang in there everyone.....parents, KEEP THOSE WEAPONS LOCKED UP!! If you don't want to do that, then be prepared to be responsible for anything that happens. As a note, more guns are put in the hands of criminals when they rob your homes and are able to grab them because they aren't secured. Think about it.....
A ten year old arms himself for protection from a Bully. Than by arming almost every adult we are doing what? Should we be telling these people to talk to an adult also? Seams to me your asking the failure to be the solution.
Problem is adults are supposed to be mature rationale and responsible individuals who handle peer agression in a mature and responsible way. LOL we know that doesn't happen.
What ever happened to the belt . Just talking to a kid doesnt get through. Discipline does.
the ban belt's crowd got em.....why else do you believe the punks cant keep their pants up......
amen DreamJordan! the "belt" solved many of so-called problems of yesterday's youth.....NOW look at what has become of TODAY'S youth
Can't discipline kids today the way parents did back when I was growing up. I am 43 years old and if I messed up not only did I get cuffed upside the back of my head but I got grounded to school and my room for 2 weeks. Do that today your in jail and the kid is in room playing xbox and laughing his a#$ off at your stupidity. I know there were parents who went to far but I think we as a scociety have gone to far in the opposite direction. I don't remember one single mass shooting back when i was in school
"...the "belt" solved many of so-called problems of yesterday's youth.....NOW look at what has become of TODAY'S youth..."
-- Don't just blame today's youth. Yesterday's youth are today's youth's adults! Apparently the "belt" hadn't done as much good for some of yesterday's youth. Just like at people like LaPierre, a complete moron and champion bully, trying to hold the entire nation hostage just to make his millions.
"...I don't remember one single mass shooting back when i was in school..." -- How many kids or just people in general at that time have access to high-powered guns? It's hard to commit mass shooting with knives or even just handguns.
Actually, when I was in school many of my friends (and I) had access to "high-powered guns". In some homes, they were in display racks on living room walls. On the other hand, we also had some idea what Dad would do if we started messing with them without supervision.
Shot my first "high powered rifle" back in elementary school. We also had guns in school for phys. ed. class and HS shooting team. We were even allowed to bring our own .22 rifles and archery equipment to school to use in these shooting sports. We had all been properly taught and knew and respected the consequences of our actions. We were taught these things first at home, where these things should be taught.
Today's problems boil down to the fact that some parents are irresponsible slackers who shouldn't have reproduced in the first place. They have no idea what personal resposibilty or self-reliance are, let alone the ability to pass these down to the next generation. They and their children are another reason for our current nanny state.
Candy, I did. I've always had access to all different types of weapons. My father began teaching us fire arm and fire arm safety from a young age (in fact, I can't remember a time when I didn't know how to shoot a gun). We went out to our deserts and shooting ranges periodically to keep our skills up. On my 18th birthday, he took me to the gun store so I could pick out my own gun he could purchase as present. A few years later, he bought me a small handgun (a 25) for personal protection, as I worked third shift, in the heart of the Los Angeles ghetto, know as South Central L.A.
The only 'living' thing my guns have ever been pointed at are ORANGES. I never once thought "I hate school (which I did), so I'm going to grab my fathers guns and murder my fellow students and teachers", not even once.
Seems to me I don't get your point. Ban handguns.
Of course you don't "get it" its called an independent thought process,
Amazing whats NOT printed in your lib logic 101 handbook, eh takenada.
. So tell me there are already thousands of laws rules restrictions, etc. already on the books WHAT HAVE THEY ACCOMPLISHED?
What you don't seem to understand is it's not the gun it's the mentality of the person picking it up. Don't get me wrong I understand that you think if there weren't any guns this problem would go away but your just wrong. When I was in school I was a trouble maker. We carried knives,pieces of pipe, clubs ect and fought with each other at and after school. None of us had guns but the thought process was the same. I changed thank god but I completely understand the ones that didn't.
"...So tell me there are already thousands of laws rules restrictions, etc. already on the books WHAT HAVE THEY ACCOMPLISHED?..." -- They must have accomplished something, otherwise why would you be so against or afraid of a few more?
Do you have an original thought or is it just spoon fed for you. The reality is gun control is not going to pass. There are 12 to 16 Democratic senators that will not vote for it so quit whinning and get over it. Second, there is no more money. Jessie Jackson and the rest of the black leadership are going ot have to put their big boy pants on and tell people the truth, it is personal responsibility. I have guns, I grew up with guns and I or my now grown children would have never ever imagined taking one to school. Lets be honest, there are some horrible parents out there, they can't do it right then pull their aid, food stamps everything. I pay in the top 10% of taxes, the truth is we pay so we can keep "themn" in their part of town so they can kill each other.
Ban takenaka for being
ignorantun-american.The NRA is telling everyone that what is needed is guns in schools to keep pupils safe. Can you blame the kids if they believe this crap.
This is hardly a new issue. Kids were carrying weapons to school back when I went in the '70's and '80s too. I somehow doubt they had a premonition of some NRA speech.... wouldn't it be wiser to address the environment that makes them feel they need to carry something?
Witness, kids have felt the need to protect themselves at schools at all times and in all countries and it ends with violent incidents. Only in the US is there a problem of almost universal acccess to guns, which means that these incidents end up by being fatal. Yes, address the environment that makes kids fearful but also try to correct the environment where fearful kids can easily lay their hands on guns.
Johnny how about you use the complete NRA proposed sentence. Put trained professional security in schools and they would supply the instructors for the training.
Sorry but the heads of the NRA are soo very out of touch with reality!
I am forced to wonder how Lapierre would stand up to a gang member---as the man would last maybe a whole 20 seconds before going down.
Gangs do not think before shooting just as Mr. Lapierre does not think before speaking!
we need to start holding the parents responsible even if it means jailing them and taking their children. I few examples will bring the rest in line.. oh wait we cant make examples of people anymore. that is not PC
Only problem with that is, its the childs fault or the enviroment they are in not the parents, punishing the parents usually does no good.
Radical there are two many things that aren't PC these days and they should be. And I agree with you parents should be held accoutable for their guns. Mine are locked in a safe the only one that isn't is the one I carry day to day. Even when i didn't have a gun safe i had either trigger locks or a chamber lock on them. I also taught my daughter and step son that they were off limits and never to be touched and i took them out and showed them what would happen if they shot something with it. Fear is a great educator
Its only the child's fault James? What if this child has the parents gun ? I guess you blame the child for it not being locked up ? I guess you blame the child because the parent didn't teach them about gun safety? I guess you blame the child for not just knowing right from wrong without being taught. While there are always circumstance's beyond the parents control to many parents take no responsibility for there children"s actions. If you have the children RAISE THEM. Everyone wants to be their child's friend,they have friends, TRY BEING THEIR PARENT.
It is the parent's fault. No child should have access to a gun. So whatever adult is in charge of that child or the gun is registered to should be charged and jailed. A huge fine or jail time is called for.
You know James 751534 you are nothing but a waste of oxygen. Blaming the environment, do you even have any idea of what the concept of "personal responsibility" oh no you only think of "rights". Hey stupid, if the environment is going to change the people living in it are going to have to change all by themselves. Got it, there is no more money. There will be less social programs in the future no more. We will increase spending on police, but only so we keep "them" in their own neighborhoods. Cities that have high crimes will lose jobs and people. I am not a flaming rednect right winger, but I have guns, also advance degrees, also speak 3 languages picked up one while I was in the Peace Corp in the 80s. As much as I dislike the Christian Taliban and Tea Party/KKK, I have to admit, most of the left wing are sissies.
America's brave new world. And if they can't ban the guns and they can't ban people, seems to me the only thing left for them to do is ban the media. Ignorance is bliss and all that ...
I'm tired of the media sensationalizing the news. Just report the news and do so in a balanced way. "While it's impossible to determine whether such potentially deadly show-and-tells are happening" is a line from the story. Studies have shown a child is 100 times more likely to die in a pool vs a gun if both are at a house. Nobody says "someone went for a potentially deadly swim" when they hopped the neighbors fence to go swimming some hot summer day. Guns shoot bullets. Of course the have the potential to hurt someone. Cars move fast and if you point that the wrong way at the wrong time people also will get hurt. There definitely is an issue with a 2nd grader bringing a gun to school. Let's address that instead. Is he being picked on? Did we educate him that he can tell someone? Do we do something when he does? If this is so important and it can save lives why don't we teach the kids classes on acceptable interaction and then kick the kids out of schools that some of us know don't belong there? Bullying is not acceptable. It gets in the way of the other's learning experience. Let those who want to learn differently go learn someplace different. The problem isn't the gun it is the environment at the school. How did we let the classroom situation get so desperate for these kids, or are they all truly that mentally unbalanced...in 2nd grade?
Kids packing guns is utter madness.
Ban guns now.
It's already too late.
Is that a haiku?!
Thanks for the laugh, WisconsinDad
Since the Newtown Kids Slaughter...
Dec 14 to Feb 4, at least 1545 dead Americans because of guns.
Enough with the lame car reference. You know damn well it has no place here. What kills me is that there is no middle ground. The gun nuts and the anti-guns nuts spew their bull @!$%# to accomodate their own agenda. And that tells me no one is willing to do anything but piss and whine. Pathetic.
Ok YOURKIDDING-1544479.
I do think the car reference has merit. The point is that guns and cars are both tools that do nothing by themselves but are at times abused by the people that use them. I fail to see any difference between people that do not use guns safely and people that drive drunk. Both kill way to many others due to their own irresponsibility. The majority of vehicle owners never drive while intoxicated and the majority of gun owners never use their guns irresponsibly and that is the point. We blame all guns owners and say ' BAN THE GUNS " when the problem is the people.
Do you even have the balls to admit just how many were minorities? Statistically over 50% are black victims and 94% of those shot by other blacks. There will be 100 in my city this year, 80% will be in a 10 block area. I am sorry, this isn't PC is it. A bunch of gutless wonders afraid to look at the truth.
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/02/04/16842039-student-gun-incidents-this-year?lite
Student carrying guns in all states. Here is the list so far this year.
Look at these incidents ... at least one discusses a gun found in a dumpster, nobody knows where it came from ... and a large number of these are pellet guns. I'm not dismissing this, but you need to read beyond the headlines.
Also, consider there are more than 80 million schoolchildren in the USA and almost 100,000 schools. Is this really a statistically significant number, worthy of more coverage than other incidents or events that affect 100x more people?
Even with a BB gun there's something wrong with the parenting, if the kid brings it to school. I owned a BB gun from the time I was a little kid and all through grade school. I knew enough not to bring it to school.
These articles referenced in the link provided bring to light another fact that is being ignored. Most of the guns found on school campuses were in BACKPACKS. The proliferation of backpacks has allowed the introduction of all kinds of contraband to the school campus, not just guns. Not a complete solution to the problem, but at least make it difficult to hide the contraband. Hundreds of millions of students in the U.S. have made it through 16 years of school without a backpack.
And our Political leaders (Obama) keep talking about Newtown to deflect the news from where he should really be targeting. It is the People of America that are ruining our great country and our politicians and burecrats are helping all the way down. When will we realize that everyone is responsible for themselves and if they can not take care of themselves and their children then they should not have the same rights as the rest of the law abiding citizenry has. That means going after them whoever they are, crazies, gang members or just plain scum who think they can live off of the working tax paying Americans. The politicians and Burecrats are a big part of our problem and until we change the structure of our goverment so that it starts representing the tax payer and not the special interest groups wheather they are the wall street gang, bankers, legal drug manufactuers, goverment workers, welfare recepients( the ones who are not truly needy) our country will continue to spiral into a dysfunctional abyss until it disintegrates into who knows what.
Good People made this country and now Bad people are in the process of ruining it.
You were doing ok untill, you called other people "SCUM". If they are scum, what does that make you? Go look in the mirror, and answer that truthfully!
Sociologicaly Conditioned Urban Misfits
Parents have their heads up their collective asses. Any kid that brings a handgun to school more than likely got it from home. Parents with kids in school should NOT have hand guns in their home OR absolutely secured. Do we have to educate parents to not have hand guns laying around the house un secured? How stupid are these people? Their kids often answer that question by bringing guns to school.
Lock up your guns fools!!!
Once we confisgate all the firearms, these problems will all go by the wayside.
You're right Big Al, registration, ban and then confiscation is the best solution......then we could do away with all of those other pesky problems brought on by living in a nation that has enumerated our essential liberties. Good plan. I just want to know who will be foolish enough to show up on my doorstep to try and take them
Thomas Jeff the faux toughie. Usually the bad boy comments mean anyone could slap your jaw and take anything they wanted. Just saying
Seriously 'tactical45', name calling, that's all you come up with as a refute? I think we all can tell who the truly 'weak' one is here...
I see, once I clicked on your name, it's your modi operandi...somehow, that just doesn't surprise me.
bicfi, can you get a background check on these kids-- how did they come across guns? Who are there parents. Registered weapons?
The fact is:
-In 2010, 211 children were killed in drunk driving crashes. Out of those 211 deaths, 131 (62 percent) were riding with the drunk driver
-Adults drank too much and got behind the wheel about 112 million times in 2010 - that is almost 300,000 incidents of drinking and driving each day
-Every day in America, another 27 people die as a result of drunk driving crashes
-If all 17 million people who admitted to driving drunk in 2010 had their own state, it would be the fifth largest in the U.S
-Teen alcohol use kills about 6000 people each year, more than all illegal drugs combined
Yet, alcohol is not on the table for new legislation. In fact, it's glorified and promoted on television. Perhaps motor vehicles should be considered for being banned next?
Have at it zombies!
Alcohol is regulated in terms of who can buy it, how much you can drink in public, when and where alcohol can be purchased and consumed... Drinkers don't scream about the constitution when faced with reasonable restrictions.
Yet the people still die Daisy. Again, it appears banning motor vehicles is the only viable solution to "Save the Children".
So are firearms, Daisy. Over 50,000 laws on the books regulating them
Guns are regulated in terms of who can purchase them (minimum age for purchase, background check, and waiting period). Carrying in public is regulated or illegal in most states. Operation of a store selling firearms is WAAAAAAAY more regulated, licensed, and controlled than operation of a store or restaurant selling alcohol. Drinkers did scream about the constitution, which is why Prohibition was repealed.
A very poor analogy. Guns are made for killing and automobiles are made for transportation.
Why don't school buses have seat belts?
Or at the very least if you are ever caught driving under the influence, you may never own a car or even drive one again for the rest of your life??
Actually it's a good analogy. Planes are not made for killing but two flew into buildings and killed more people than guns did that day. Knifes were originally made for killing as well but we ignore that just as many people are stabbed as shot because knives are common in each house hold. Thousands of people are murdred with blunt objects that were never intened to kill. So what it comes down to is the PERSON, not the tool. No one mentions that after the UK collected the majoirty of guns, that violent crime went UP. Stabbings and beatings of the defenseless was a real problem since criminals knew hardly anyone had guns.
We don't have a gun problem, we have a CULTURE problem. We live in a society that doesn't know how to resolve problems peacfully and turn to the everyday glorification of violence. We need to change that and promote responsiblity and no one would mention "gun control".
Don't forget Daisy that alcohol was banned for a number of years in America. And people found a way to make and consum it anyway. The problem wasn't alcohol, it was people. I understand the fear of guns but people really need to understand that gun restrictions are emotional and short term answers to a much more complex problem. Gun restrictions do not equal less violence. Violent people find a way to commit violence.
Hey NBC the caption under the picture "A 14-year-old pupil and a teacher were shot Thursday, Jan. 31, at Price Middle School in Atlanta. Another student at the school was arrested" is wrong!!!! the student was shot the teacher was hurt running away. the student who was hit was grazed and was out of hospital in three hours. Yes it was a shooting, happens all the time in that part of town. But really, get it right unless, of coarse, you have an agenda. SENSATIONALIZE much?
Facts are secondary to the liberal agenda… We all know that…
Where does a third grader get the idea that he needs a loaded gun to protect himself? The same place where Gayle "Crazypants" Trotter got the idea that a mom needs an assault rifle to protect herself and her children during a firefight with 2, 3, 4, 5 thugs bursting into her home.
Fear mongering has consequences. Wayne LaPierre must be so proud.
hey Bengal, Guns aren't just for killing, and actually autos kill way more than guns do. Just saying.....
As I am to understand, liberals are generally thought of as an academic group. Working with logic and booksmarts to face life's challenges. So why the blatant ignorance? Why the complete abandonment of logic and reason?
Post after post about the number of kids wielding guns these days, but not one single solitary post asking about how they obtained their weapons. With so many tragic incidents befalling our nation's kids I assume there would be an all out effort to solve the problem. Not.
Instead they seem to be working by the flawed logic that since they can't solve the problem and have no viable and immediate solution, nor seem to be seeking same, so let's enact laws to punish the offender and non-offender alike.
American principles? Not that I recall being taught by the "academics" of my schooling. Not to mention that during the extremely long and torturous path to wretch weapons from every living being in America.
If we killed every last single human in America, no longer would cancer be the major cause of death in this country. Logically of course. So let's get real folks. Yes, you too do have a brain.
More focus on guns. MSNBC - you are a joke. Today I heard we spend 5 billions of hours a year in traffic. Why not make employers who can keep their employees working for home do it? Force them. Also on the news was that another huge deposit of oil and natural gas was discovered. In fact if we went after all the oil and NG we would become a powerhouse Nation again.
Even Obama has commeted on it. But he talks out of both sides of his mouth.
China is actually worried we will wise up and use our Natural Resources.
Instead we are are bringing in guest workers when our own people can't find jobs and there is some crazy need to focus on guns.
North Dakota has full employment. Zero unemployment. So if you can't find a job (The job council was disbanded.) it sucks in the winter but there it is. The Government can't help you forever -- they are broke.
Proofread your post and someone might pay attention. It is hard to match your picture with poorly composed rant.
takenaka...when you can't refute someone's logic, then get mean and nasty and demean them...atta girl. Step up the bullying tatics....that's the way to do it...
and then you wonder why our children feel the need to try and protect themselves from your children
Many posts asked how the children obtained the guns. The weapons problem will be mitigated when we ban handguns.
Firearms are ALREADY banned on school grounds.
Did the Gun Free Zone law/sign make the gun disappear?.......then "new improved feel good" gun ban legislation won't make them disappear either.
BTW, Find a new silly tag line to post, the old one is getting tired.
WOW Funny anyone would say to ban Handguns why because the news is now telling the American People about various shootings around the country?
If the news would tell us every time someone is killed in a DWI incidence could you just imagine the outrage that we would have against drinking and driving.
I can say this if we ban handguns NOBODY is safe against the people who have them illegally from what I have read way to many people have them illegally. More Crime will be done that's a fact just as in Australia!
The way I see it... we have many many laws and they are broken everyday that's just life. Banning Guns is not the answer!
Its really unfortunate that kids are bullied everyday maybe schools should start a dress code like in private schools. This would stop some of the bulling going on.
@ takenaka The problem will be mitigated to the point only the bad guys will have them.