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WXIA / NBC via Reuters
A 14-year-old pupil and a teacher were shot Thursday, Jan. 31, at Price Middle School in Atlanta. Another student at the school was arrested.
The case of a Virginia second-grader caught with a gun on his school bus this week may be shocking but it's by no means uncommon.
Across the country, children are being suspended or arrested for having weapons on campus or buses on a daily basis.
Police in Henrico, Va., were waiting at school for the little boy Monday morning after he allegedly threatened another pupil on their ride to Ratcliffe Elementary School. They found a handgun in his backpack, NBC station WWBT of Richmond, Va. reported.
The incident made national headlines Monday, as did a similar incident when a loaded gun was found in a pupil's book bag last month at P.S. 215 in Queens, N.Y.
However, these incidents aren't as isolated as they may appear. An NBC News survey of crime dockets and news reports across all 50 states reveals that, since Jan. 1, there have been at least 48 incidents in which guns have been discovered on students, in their bags or in their lockers.
There were at least five last Thursday alone: in Atlanta; Augusta, Kan.; Chicago; Raleigh, N.C.; and Winston-Salem, N.C.
There have been 23 class days since some districts resumed school Jan. 2 — not including Jan. 21, the Martin Luther King Jr. holiday. That works out to more than two gun reports a day this school year. (The survey excluded incidents in which pupils were caught with toy guns; all of the weapons were handguns, rifles, BB guns or air rifles.)
And those are just the cases that have been made public: Juveniles' police records are generally protected, so an untold number of other such incidents are likely to have occurred.
While it's impossible to determine whether such potentially deadly show-and-tells are happening more frequently, the public data do indicate just how hard it is to clamp down on guns on campus since the issue became a national concern in December in the wake of the fatal shootings of 20 pupils at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.
Most of the time, the weapons are brought along for protection or as items of curiosity, with the pupil more interested in showing off than in shooting. And usually, they're intercepted before anyone can get hurt, with the student's being suspended or charged for a weapons violation, depending on his or her age. Often, a parent or guardian is charged with failing to secure the weapon.
But when they're not intercepted, tragedy is often the result.
Last week, a 14-year-old boy was shot and wounded by a student at Price Middle School in Atlanta, police said.
"Gun violence in and around our schools is simply unconscionable and must end," Atlanta Mayor Kasim Reed said. "Too many young people are being harmed and too many families are suffering from unimaginable and unnecessary grief."
And on Jan. 10, a student was wounded by a classmate who shot him at Taft Union High School in Taft, Calif., police said The boy targeted a second classmate but missed, authorities said.
While many lawmakers have introduced legislation that would put armed police or security guards in schools, that may not be the answer, according to a state task force reviewing campus safety in Virginia.
The task force last week stressed the need to fund anti-bullying programs and school resource officers, but it stopped short of calling for more officers in schools.
"If we were to put 1,000 new police officers in our schools, those police officers would have to come from somewhere, and we might inadvertently make things less safe in our communities," Dewey G. Cornell, a law professor at the University of Virginia who's a member of the task force, told WWBT.
The boy who opened fire last week in California was one of those who carried a weapon because he said he had been bullied, Kern County Sheriff Donny Youngblood said.
But that's not a good enough excuse, parents say.
"That just doesn't make sense," said Jeremy Massey, the parent of a student at Daly Elementary School in Inskter, Mich., near Detroit, where a third-grader was found to have taken a loaded gun to class two days in a row last month. The boy told police he carried the gun for his own protection.
"If you are 10 years old, the only protection you need is to go tell an adult," Massey told NBC station WDIV of Detroit.
Related:
Full list of student gun incidents this year
Obama on guns: 'We're not going to wait until the next Newtown'
Guns already allowed in schools with little restriction in many states
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Clearly what this situation needs is more guns. GUNS!! GUNS!!!! GUUUUUUUNNNNNNSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ban takenaka or deport him for being Un-American.
WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The problem today is cultural. But what I really want to talk about is how most 2nd Amendment bashers don't even understand our Constitution. Do you really think the purpose of our Constitutional Bill of Rights is so Entertainers can scream obsenities in music and movies? That the 2nd amendment is for recreation and the rest is for some foreign gov't?? NO. It is all about giving the common citizen freedom and liberties and the abilities to maintain it from our OWN US GOV'T. Because the founding fathers knew that ANY gov't can become corrupt and oppressive. So when the gov't stops listening to protests and starts locking away people with out due process, the people have the ability to form militias with semi-auto rifles to protect themselves.
We can think gun bans will save people today but it could also lead to many more atrocities in the future if the people are misled into voting for tyrants in gov't who strip away our rights. It happened in Nazi controlled Germany. And if you look at Egypt today you see that the people thought they had a democracy but they only replaced one tyrant with another. Why? Because the gov't has no real fear of the people. The Egyptians can't own rifles of any kind. The gov't has the guns and so they have the power and protection and people will have to suffer far longer and greater to win true freedom. We don't want that for our children. Promote responsible gun use not gun bans.
gun bans wont stop anything, people that want to kill will kill thats it
Carlos/OH LORD, NO,PROMOTE COMMON SENSE,, Do you really think any type of militias and semi auto rifles that you have, will win against the GOVERNMENT weaponry. If they wanted to they can wipe you out with one tank. But if you guys are so afraid of your own government then you need to move to another society without a f---king government. You people are stupid as the year is long.
woman strong
It's a numbers game.
10,000 to 20,000 Taliban and AlQuaida have fought our military for 10 plus years now and have not been defeated. Quite the contrary, regardless of what the administration tells you.
How would the 250,000 combatants of our military fare against just 1% of the 80,000,000 firearms owners , that's 800,000 Americans, took up arms fighting if the government turned on the people?
the mistake in your thinking is assuming that the government will just open fire with tanks, helicopter gunships, etc...and just blow the hell out of everybody. the military is only 1% of the population, and the military is made up of fellow citizens from a wide variety of polical viewpoints. they are not just mindless drones who will blindly obey some order to open fire and kill their fellow citizens. our great and benevolent government is not as all powerful as you wish to believe...
womanstrong is just a clue-less kunt that don't understand logic dudes.
123freedom/what is clueless is, Is that all you got is to call me clueless. I'm clueless because I care about the welfare of the children. I'm clueless because I'm not paranoid like you of your own government. Again if you guys are that damn afraid of the government, see you later alligator, after while crocodile, after supper mother f----ker. Ha,,, Oh by the way 123freedmom your mama is the clue-less kunt.
No, it didn't. There was no gun ban in Nazi Germany, and according to Godwin's law the subject is now closed. ;-)
and at what point, Carlos, do the "masses" decide the government is too corrupt and oppressive? this is not 1783, it's 230 years later and we neither need nor have well-armed militias to put down the British Army or the aristocrats in federal government who are still loyal to the Crown.
They need to put up the GUN FREE ZONE signs both at schools and the buses too. It looks like they don't have enough of them up yet!
I notice that a lot of places have SMOKE FREE signs up but do people pay attention to them.?? Hell No. Here is another guy who uses no comman sense!!!!!!!!!!!
i really belive that the drug free zones around schools have worked largely in part to the high sentences they carry but inforcement is a must
Only a good second-grader with a gun can stop a bad second-grader with a gun...
you should know. only a second grader would come up with that kind of comment...
BD/If the Government is not as powerful as you say, then what the hell are you afraid of. Your whole paragraph sounded absolutely stupid. I have enough common sense to know that my government not only have land weapon, they have air and water weapons and other unknown weapons that are unknown to us. You are saying that we the citizens can take them on. You know what, I'll take my chances on the government side.
Gun buy backs is a lot of BS, The city, or the state or the federal governments buy backs and youknow that a lot of them wind bak up on the street even before they reach the storage areas. Pare4nts need to take control like the parents in the 20th Century and lock up the guns, The politicas and the Gun control people are not using comman sense, the politicans just want to make the voters happy and get back in office... Or most of them just want to get their face on the TV News. I still think that tha gun control People have something like a gun in their SAFE or in the drawers next to their beds to protect their homes... They are just BSing the country..
Listen you geniuses, you need to just stop your bitching and try to actually figure out what's different now days compared to when us "old farts" were growing up to explain why people are shooting each other. Back in the sixties, I bought my first gun from a Sears catalog, bought another old military rifle at a hardware store, and several more at auctions. All before I turned 18. I took the old military rifle to school to work on in wood working class, no one bated an eye. I dragged my hunting rifle back and forth from college for 4 years through several airport terminals, no one bated an eye. No background checks, no bans and since I bought my first gun at 16 years old, not much concern about age. So what's the difference? A hint: the extent of our technology and access to outside influence was a single phone plugged into the wall, 3 TV channels and a newspaper. Movies with the kind of violence you see today would have never made it to the movie theater (not that I have a problem with them now, but I didn't start watching them when I was 13 either) And of course gangs and crack, so figure it out and don't even suggest the problem is that guns are easier to buy now than back then.
Spoiler ahead!!!!
Drum roll please ., . . . . . . . .
Americans, are TOO @!$%#IN STUPID to own firearms.
Where'd you conservatives get your edu-ma-cation?
Jesus-U?
Dummies. I can guarantee you that every one of these kids that was caught with a weapon
has a parent the goes to church EVERY Sunday, and thinks George W. is a religious deity.
Dummies.
Christ, Conservative are just so dumb.
Instead of reading the Bible, read a text book or a sociology book on the study of poverty
and gun violence.
Unlike the Bible, the other two actually discuss things that are real.
And.....sorry to break to you dumbasses, but death is THE END OF YOUR EXISTENCE.
Sorry to spoil the ending.
My bad.
thank you for the most ignorant post on this page. maybe of all the posts for this article, but i'm not motivated enough to read through all of them. but i'm sure you are definitely in the running. well done!
My bad? No just a complete lunatic. If you don't already live there, move on up to San Fran, smoke a little more weed and sing kumbaya with the rest of the naked commune. Leave this discussion to the adults, please.
Even though I'm as liberal as they come.
Ok, so get us jealous. Where was your education completed? California Institute of Technology? At what levels of degree have you been conferred? Associates, Bachelors, Masters, Doctorate?
I didn't read the story and frankly I don't want to. I've seen the statistics and have acknowledged the arguments made by the NRA and its slaves and have come to the conclusion that weapons in the hands of civilians, the majority of civilians, has and will continue to do more harm than good.
"But [insert person here] saved [insert place here] on [insert date here]." Now multiply by at least four. Funny thing is that the shooter almost always has his <~ back turned, is reloading, or the 'normal civilian' that "saved the day" was an off-duty police officer, which btw I have no idea how the hell an off-duty police officer is considered a normal civilian. Apparently the blue and black that the police wear somehow give them superpowers to fight off bad guys with bullets.
Anyway...
I am formally proclaiming the misuse and poor training of firearms in the United States to be an epidemic. All you people that are with the NRA can kiss my shiny metal ass because the vast majority of you will use the same old tired argument. Blah blah blah constitution - blah blah blah media propaganda - blah blah blah civilian heroes blah blah. Doesn't work very well does it?
Cheers.
ALittleBitofLogic
Would that you used a "little bit of logic"..... blah, blah, blah...
Cheers!
Liberals don't understand logic, XD
Still waiting for the logic part.
The inability to read between the lines. Seems to a major issue among many a person nowadays.
A skeleton walks into a bar and says give me a beer and a mop...
Nice joke, 3rd grader!
Iff you need to pee your pants,over my funny,ask Bloomberg for a Kotex.
@Johninpa
So you can squeeze it into your kool-aid?
Bad gun, bad bad!!! I have a question for the Libtard gun ban geniuses. Lets pretend for a second that bullying in school does not exist and never has existed. What percent of school, theater, wherever, shootings would ever have happened?? We need to BAN bullying.., Duhhhhhh, seems simplistic but if we were to put as much energy in to anti bullying reform and punishment as we do blaming guns I guarantee 100% that shootings, school and otherwise, would be cut by HUGE numbers. Oh, it would help if we tried raising our kids as well, video games are not a valid substitute.
So, using your logic, then, the Columbine killers were justified in killing some of the bullies, even if regular students were also killed in the process because these guys were not planning to leave the school grounds alive. and the fact that this high school had a culture of bullying by jocks and it was viewed upon as a normal "boys will be boys" thing. the weirded out Goth-style kids who did the shooting, Harris and Kliebold, were from upper middle class homes and lived regular lives. they just didn't fit the stereotype of the bullies. and after the horrific ordeal, it was the bullies, shown crying on TV, who evoked the sympathy of the masses.
EEEHAW!! The uneducated hillybilly gun toting parents have their kids carrying guns as well. EEEHAW
yeah, you must be one of them there edgumacated fancy city folk...jackazz...
Michael, that's not fair, some of them thar parents have 4th grade educations.
Now if you're going to be hatin' on people, make sure you get the right ones. Uneducated hillbillies DO NOT live in crime ridden inner city slums! You're proof of that!
@Airborne_DAD
Cmon you must play along..these are "hillbillies"..not the great educated populace that put the mighty Obama in office.
but you know what?
Its really just the scum that elected he scum.
airborne & john, you guys are funny. I'll bet you clean and oil your guns every day just hoping and praying that some rightwing nut job tries to start Civil War II, so you can be right in there shootin' anyone who isn't toting a gun.
btw-didn't vote for Obama either time, and didn't vote for Bush 43, McCain or Bush 41, either. So speaking of scum, did you vote for the last three?
All I see is ban this, ban that. Some of the people posting here actually have a point that I can agree on:
We ALL have to be responsible and held accountable.
If a 2nd grader brings a gun to school, it's because he was ALLOWED access to the gun. The parent or whoever left an unsecured gun for this child to grab should be held responsible and should be fined. If the child hurts someone with said gun he/she should be prosecuted.
Look, I have many guns in my house. I also have 2 children ages 9 and 3 and I'll be damned if I EVER leave a gun out for any one of them to get a hold of. I take every precautionary measure to make sure they stay out of their reach while still being within MY reach if needed. I can GUARANTEE my 4th grader will never bring one of MY guns to school, because I am responsible for that. It is me, as a parent to talk to them about this, to teach them what to do, to prepare them and to SECURE my damn guns.
typical NBC hysteria mongering. pistol packing students is not "becoming" an everyday occurence, it always has been there. just as it was 25 years ago when i was in high school with all the gang bangers and drug dealers. its nothing new. just something else to get the flock unsettled...
So was the second-grader they referred to in the article a gang-banger or a drug dealer?
I always wondered why we haven't gotten much smarter through time since our ancesters lived in caves, now I realize why ,it is because we are getting dumber through time.
The country is being run by cavemen.
123 freedom/Right you PRICK, because you stupid idiots act and think like cavemen. Oh no, I gave you guys to much credit, at least cavemen was real men. You guys are scared whimps with guns afraid their government will come after them.
Smarter, more educated people have fewer children. Dumber, less educated people have no such restraint, and reproduce prolifically. Once again, Darwin's law prevails, which is ironic since the dumber, less educated people don't believe in natural selection.
Might as well face it: we're losing the war against Stupid.
loscon, I don't think we get dumber as a nation, we just get lazier. It's easier to accept blind faith in an attitude or a prejudice than to think and learn and research for ourselves. Prejudicial thinking is the norm these days.
American society is failing the youth. pretty much started back in the 70s with kids having kids, and now these kids raising kids with no morals, no beliefs in family life.GED educated parents are now more the norm and have never really grasped the thought of maturity in later yrs of there lifes. paranoia is the normal. the public sector has been screaming it for years, and we turn to uncle sam for our needs to fix our problems, when most all of this could be done at no expense if families would have taken the resposibilities of raising there young at home. I have 2 children now in there 30s with kids of there own. went to school, got descent jobs and mind there young ones and listen to them. such a small majority these days left. I am happy they have learned lessons in life at an early age by myself and there mother. maybe we are the lucky family here, I think we played the card game with the odds by applying knowledge, experiance and being there when they needed us the most. No internet back then, no cells, family time was all four of us together. perhaps that may be the differance then, with what has changed things today. I dont know, but am a grateful person having my family unit intact and not scattered in the wind like many families are becouse of lack of jobs and so forth....
The answer to the problem is simple. Hold parents accountable for properly raising their children. That is, raise them to respect the laws of the land and respect other people. Treat everyone as you would like to be treated. Children must be constantly supervised. This, however, is a pipe dream. In all my years of law enforcement, I've seen parents that were less mature than their children. It's pathetic. It ALL starts at home folks.
I demand an irrational and irresponsible knee jerk reaction to this situation immediately so we can pretend we have fixed the problem, feel good about ourselves, and move on with our lives.
You sir,JohnB,are making light of a very,very important something or other....I demand you disclose your where abouts...and run for political office.
A BB gun shouldn't be used by a child unless supervised by an adult. A BB can put out an eye - and leave severe bruises. What can we expect in this country when we have a majority of stupid adults trying to raise children? But the NRA probably thinks a gun for each child in school would be just the answer, We have become the Land of The Stupid, Home of the Monsters!!
I saw that movie,and watch it every Christmas.
Bringing guns to school is bad??????? When I was in school I know at least a 1/2 dozen guy that had guns in their cars on school property so they could go hunting after school....Yet nobody shot anyone..........................
In my day if it had been a violation of school regulations our parents would have kicked our butts in front of the principle and it wouldnt have happened again, now parents will deny it happened in front of the principle, take their kids home and give them a cookie if they promise not to do it again.
FWIW I was bullied as a kid in school but never considered bringing a gun to school to solve the problem, even though I had access.
This is why we need stricter gun regulations
In addition to background checks on all gun purchases, magazine limits, assault weapons bans, and gun registration
If your a gun owner and your gun is used in a crime and is not reported stole YOU will be liable both criminally and financially ( if your a responsible gun owner you don't have to worry)
If your child like in this case takes your weapon to school you will be charged with a felony, period.. and your weapon will be confiscated
Put a 25% tax on all gun sales and ammunition sales to pay for security on American school campuses
Also impose stricter sentences for gun crimes
These laws will make gun owners more responsible and gun owning parents more responsible for there weapons and children's actions
The secular liberal Democrats have succeeded in destroying the nuclear family unit and we are now reaping what was sown! "If you plant corn seeds, you'll get corn... not carrots."
Too many so called "single moms" and no one at home to teach these poor kids right from wrong. Our schools have been ruined, discipline is a dirty word. All to the detriment of the children who through lack of guidance become hoodlums
Our society is being trashed more each passing day by the policies of our government. We are slowly being enslaved and we are begging them to enslave us! Wake up soon or it will be too late.
Actually social issue like cost of living have destroyed the nuclear family, Now both parents have to work to survive. Now both parents work and day care is raising our children. in the past only one parent had to work leaving another to take care of the family. This is the biggest destruction of the family.
Since you don't want single mothers then birth control should be available to all having sex then you will have less children born to a single parent.
Society is to blame not just government, Shows like teen mom and 16 and pregnant on MTV just make girls want to have children at a young age.
Parents refusing to talk to there kids about sex, schools not being able to teach children about sex, contraception and birth control has also aided in more pregnancy by young children aiding in single parenting
People like you complain you want less government and don't want government involvement but blame the government for the faults in society doesn't makes sense
This is why we need stricter gun regulations
In addition to background checks on all gun purchases, magazine limits, assault weapons bans, and gun registration
If your a gun owner and your gun is used in a crime and is not reported stole YOU will be liable both criminally and financially ( if your a responsible gun owner you don't have to worry)
If your child like in this case takes your weapon to school you will be charged with a felony, period.. and your weapon will be confiscated
Put a 25% tax on all gun sales and ammunition sales to pay for security on American school campuses
Also impose stricter sentences for gun crimes
These laws will make gun owners more responsible and gun owning parents more responsible for there weapons and children's actions
You exceed the statement of a nut. Once they get where you want it then no middle and lower income people would ever own a gun for self protection. The tax you talk about once it goes without reversal in a court simply becomes a $100,000.00 per gun tax in the future.
@dlopez-3173765
And this is going to curtail firearms violence by criminals, who by definition don't obey the law, how exactly?
While this is partly acceptable, is there a proposed time frame? For example, I travel outside the country for several months at a time. If my home is broken into and my safe stolen and ultimately broken into and the firearms inside are used in a crime and I don't know until two months later, am I still culpable?
Very honestly, I can understand this to a point. However, will the same hold true for a child that steals a parents vehicle and winds up causing a vehicular accident causing injury or death face the same penalties?
We've already had a tax imposed, at our own request, on all sporting goods for the purposes of expanding and maintaining recreational lands. That really hasn't worked out too well. The funds seem to get diverted. Also, will those of us who use firearms in defense of ourselves or others get rebates or will we be allowed to submit bills for OUR Security Services Rendered?
I'm all for that, as are the VAST majority of legitimate firearms owners. However, those sentences have to be imposed with NO "judicial discretion", NO plea bargaining for reduced terms, NO concurrent sentences, any and all FIREARMS penalties MUST be served CONSECUTIVELY to any for the actual crime. I would suggest the following as a starting point for negotiating with the bleeding hearts. ILLEGAL criminal possession of a firearm with no other crime involved, 5 years. Possession of an illegal firearm in the commission of a crime, whether that firearm is used or not, 10 years. Brandishing or otherwise using an illegal firearm in the commission of a crime where no injury occurs, 20 years. Using a firearm in the commission of a crime where an injury, either to a victim OR perpetrator occurs, 30 years. Using a firearm in the commission of a crime where a death, either to a victim OR perpetrator occurs, LIFE with out the possibility of parole.
So, besides making "responsible" firearms owners possibly a little more responsible, this will put the onus exactly where it belongs... on the CRIMINAL using a firearm in the commission of a crime.
No slippery slope arguments those arguments just stop common sense laws, like if gays get married they are going to turn others gay, or if we put a ban on assault weapons all guns are next, if we give blacks equal rights they will take over the country.... those arguments are false
Thinking like that stops progress...
DEFINE "assault weapons".
Here's a little hint. It's a term that was coined in 1993 during the debate on the original "Gun Control Act".
It purportedly has some theoretical origin in the immediate pre-WWII Germany, but it was a specific version of a particular machine gun that was mentioned.
But, please define one. The people that are writing the laws are failing abysmally, as is their pattern.
However, any time a politician talks about taxes.... it's NOT a slippery slope... it's a cliff.
@XDm9mm
The background checks for all purchases will make it less likely that criminals that fall through the cracks are not receiving weapons, such as people on no fly lists, people under criminal investigation, people with mental issues, and domestic violence offenders who were let off with a misdemeanor
As for your case with you having a legitimate alibi that you were out of the country, sounds like a suitable excuse, that discretion should be given to the DA whether to prosecute
If your child steals your car and gets into a car accident your insurance company pays or you pay for the injury to others, so this is not a outrageous regulation, also this will insure responsible ownership with children present
If the law states " funds gained from tax will only be used for the purpose of school security no discretionary changes to this law" means by law the funds can't be used for other purposes, No you will not receive a rebate or a tax write off..
Also I like your ideas on stricter sentences, see if you put your idea and my idea together then things will actually get done
Sounds like this is what the people in Washington need to learn..
Great debate by the way, I like having intelligent conversations on here..
You know what a military assault weapon is, this labeling is ridiculous, So if i say a bazooka should be banned then does that mean I can own a RPG or a modern rocket launcher because they are not called a bazooka
Don't dumb down the debate
Here is what California has done.
California has had a 3 strikes law since 1994. 3 felonies you go to jail for life.
Murder is down about 50%
Rape is down about 30%
Robbery is down about 50%
Assaults are down about 50%
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/cacrime.htm
If you take the criminals off the streets crime goes down along with gun violence,knife violence, baseball bat violence and any other kind of violence you can name. You put repeat offenders in jail and CRIME GOES DOWN! Simple isn't it?
Then, my dear liberal, you need to also tax automobiles 25% also as they kill much more people than guns ever will. You logic is delusional. No restrictions need be made on guns or gun owners. It will never happen, nor should it.
@slodon
the shooter in CO was not a criminal and purchased his weapon legally, the CT shooter was not the gun owner or a criminal
So how would your idea of locking up criminals stopped those incidents
dlopez
You won't stop mass killings,sorry but that just happens to be the way it is. You can ban everything you want but people will still commit mass killings. Molotov Cocktails,pipe bombs,zip guns,autos,feet,hands and clubs can be used in mass killings.
slodon, the 3 strikes law was repealed in November, mainly because it was unfair and it caused mass overcrowding in jails and prisons.
dlopez, thoughtful posts and going one step further on the registration, all resales of weapons require re-registering the weapon through the state even if that weapon is sold to a relative---same as an automobile, a boat, a motorcycle. purchase of any weapon with a missing serial # is same as purchasing a car without a VIN. It's illegal. I'm for a registration fee on weapons, so that all weapons are cataloged by the state and that information is put into a national data base. That data base is overlayed against data bases for prior misdemeanor and felony convictions, mental illness, gang affililiation, etc.
XD, I don't think harsher penalties for illegal gun possession will work because you're not penalizing the people who sell weapons legally and illegally for failure to perform the due process of background checks. Your automobile analogy isn't germaine to this because people who die or are killed in auto accidents aren't intended victims. You're not going to rob someone with the front bumper of your car. But I like what you've added to dlopez's thoughts.
All good points!!
@dlopez-3173765
Please explain to me and the entire world EXACTLY how you're going to get the low life scumbag gangbanger to submit to "background checks" when they "buy" a piece on the street. Do you really think they'll even make an attempt at acquiring a firearm legally?
EXCUSE ME???? I'm potentially not AWARE of a firearm being stolen for upwards of three months to be in a position to report it and "prosecutiion" should be the discretion of the prosecutor? You're literally out of your mind.
OK... let's change up the scenario a little.... Your child steals your car and commits a crime, lets say Aggravated Assault.. (ergo INTENT to commit a crime) in the police pursuit that follows, your darling child runs over a young mother wheeling her new born in her baby carriage. Now, the INTENT was to commit a crime... are YOU willing to accept the same penalties you ask the parents of firearms owners to accept?
Sorry, doesn't fly. First the people that "wrote" the law can change the law. Hell, they don't even need to change the law.... they just ignore it like they do already. Also, why would I not be able to bill for Security Services Rendered if I either protect myself or another from the criminals? If I'm doing the job of "law enforcement" in their absence, why should I not be elegible to collect fees for my service?
So you admit that to AGREE with the NRA. They've proposed similar concepts for years.
Yes, I DO know what a Military firearm is... and first, there is no such thing in the American Military lexicon as an "assault weapon". They currently utilize the M16 and it's variants and the M4 which is also a variant of the M16.
The current debate swirling around "assault weapons" are CIVILIAN firearms the LOOK LIKE a military firearm.
The BIG difference is that a military firearm has a selector switch that will permit the operator to toggle from SAFE to SEMI or BURST mode all the way to FULL AUTOMATIC.
The civliian versions have a selector switch that toggles from SAFE to SEMI.
"Semiautomatic" is a shot is fired with each pull of the trigger. BURST mode is a strictly MILITARY function which permits THREE rounds to be fired with each pull of the trigger, FULL AUTOMATIC is I would hope be self explanatory, it is also STRICTLY military and permits an entire magazine to be fired with one trigger pull and firing will not stop until the finger is removed from the trigger or the magazine is emoty.
There is NO civilian version of these firearms available to the general public that will fire more than SEMIAUTOMATIC mode.
The civilian versions of the military firearms are similar in APPEARANCE only.
I can put a kit car 429 Cobra body on a Volkswagon Chassis and motor, but that doesn't make it a Cobra. It's STILL a volkswagon with a cool looking body. It's a Cobra in APPEARANCE only.
So, yes let's not dumb down the debate. How about we actually debate the REAL issue... CRIMINAL CONTROL.
NoSnoHere
No it wasn't. It was modified.
Proposition 36:
I remember in my school a kid who didn't like me would flash his knife at me in gym class to intimidate me. This was almost twenty years ago.
lopez...48 people die every day from the AIDS virus,what should we do to fix this problem?
Put them in the Boy Scouts?
What does that have to do with this issue?
Also gays are not the only people who contract aids so whats your point?
My point is that if you can extrapolate every gun death and make laws for gun owners who had nothing to do with it
then maybe you could extrapolate a little more and make homosexuals take the blame for AIDS deaths.
get the point ,or no?
I am not blaming every gun death on gun owners, I just saying stricter laws will stop irresponsible gun ownership, stop straw purchases
Look cigarette smokers pay large taxes on cigarettes to pay for others medical research, pay for anti smoking ads, So whats the problem with taxing gun purchases and ammo purchases to pay for school security
Also like my point gays are not the only people contracting AIDS, there are heterosexual people with the disease, and drug addicts,
I just don't understand why you make a boy scout comment
obviously, following liberal policy on guns, we should castrate all gays, since they're the majority of new AIDS cases, according to the CDC.
But, actually, I think Big Evil Pharma corporations have saved queers from dying from AIDS much anymore. Big Evil business has kept another million Dem votes around who otherwise would be in the grave.
We have a president,going about the countryside,talking up the dangers of having guns ,we have an administration(Obama also) saying that homosexuals should be in the Boy Scouts...
AIDS is caused by what?IV drug users and homosexual sex,right?
48 deaths a day,so whats should we do?
Register them?
Tax them?
Quarantine them?
An island like the lepers?
or only for gun owners?
@johninpa
Actually he is going around saying gays should have all the same rights as everyone else. A reporter asked about Boy scouts he didn't just one day come out and say gays in the boy scouts. He said they should have all the same rights as you and me
Actually Magic Johnson wasn't a IV drug users or gay, he got it from unprotected sex
Also educating people about unprotected sex gay straight or whatever will lower the spread of the virus.
No quarantine by the way
No gun owners are being quarantine either stop the scare tactics,
@chester
Easy with the conspiracy theory that big Pharma is keeping gays alive to gain democratic voters, Big Parma gives large amounts of money to both parties so who ever wins they will still get to over medicate our population
Chesty...
Aren't you glad those Big Evil Pharma saved your queer sons?
Are you really going to quote me one celebrity basketball player,who said,he got AIDS some way other than gay sex?C'mon dude,he would really admit it?sure.
The NRA tries to educate kids on gun safety,but we would rather demonize the NRA and promote people who tell you what to do with your weiner.
Education for your sex organ awareness....
Fines and legal charges for gun owners...
Face it dude,you work on a double standard.
@johninpa
face it the world is full of double standards
That dont make it right,dude.
No but its the world we live in
You do what you got to do,and trust I will do the same.
Leave it at that
no there's no conspiracy, dlopez, you made that part up.
Big Evil Pharma has kept a million Demo fruits alive with their medicine that prevents people with AIDS from dying.
So...lefties should be kind to Big Evil Pharma corporations. Make sense, no?