You know what's wrong with this list? It's not long enough!

What's wrong with our country is that no one will stand up and say "Enough". We should not have to apologize for being who we are and we should not have to live in fear of a suicide bomber walking into a crowd and pulling the cord. You need to under stand that we have the right to defend ourselves from these cowardly bastards. If they didn't hide behind women and children we wouldn't have civilian deaths in drone strikes. They have only themselves to blame. Pull a tigers tail and you get the teeth.

Simple fix. Revoke their citizenship. Give them 7 days to return to the US to file a complaint. After 7 days, if they don't return they are no longer US citizens. Blow them up.

So totally agreed, who really cares what the Constitution says any how ...right?

What if the President decides that the NRA is a terrorist group, or Right to life Chapters, etc...The constitution states, no one (citizen) shall be denied life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness without due process

All I can say is...

...more air for the rest of us!

Yes, I agree these "people" should be considered enemy combatants and traitors. Their previous citizenship has no baring on this case.

BUT:

I just want to point out how the "mainstream" media, including NBC News, would be treating this if Bush, or any other conservative, were in office. And you ALL know exactly what I'm talking about!

Are you people too ignorant to realize that it isn't just the main targets that get killed in these drone attacks?

Maybe you are okay with innocents being collateral damage in Yemen or Pakistan (and if you are okay with that then you out yourself as a sick person) but what if your neighbor was the intended target and your own family got caught in the crossfire? Will you be saying "more air for me!" when it's your child that is killed?????

Well, I find this horrifying, a US Citizen can be targeted with out DUE PROCESS. If the Govt wants they can target anyone and come up with some hazy reason. And as far as the 16 year old colorado kid, "if we can save just one child" we should do something.

[quote]So totally agreed, who really cares what the Constitution says any how ...right?[/quote]

Your point??? Threats to America and Americans should be dealt with!

I love how all of you are talking about innocent people being killed in drone strikes. Don't you think innocent people get killed when F-16's drop bombs, when Tomahawk's are launched, when the AMG 65-maverick is dumped? You think these other means of killing single out the bad guys? NO they don't they kill civilians and innocent people just like the drones. The only difference is our guys aren't in harms way.

You have no problem with this? Then you can't possibly object to the NON-LETHAL water boarding.

We have not won a war since 1945. We do not win wars because we do not kill men, women, and children. Ugly as that may seem, that is what war is. When we try to act like its a chess game, we just swap bodies for a few years then move on. NOTHING IS GAINED.

We have lost our National will to survive and replaced it with some sick game of sacrificing our military personnel in a bizarre political theater.

Why do you think we are in perpetual conflicts. If we exact the most extreme retribution possible on those that would do us harm, we then ultimately save lives. Peace lies in our will to do harm and our overwhelming strength to carry out our words and our enemies live in the shadow of our resolve.

The world will never be rid of evil. Evil is a human trait. We can elect as humans to punish evil, or negotiate with it. We have sheepishly negotiated with evil since 1945, and the world suffers for our folly.

Uh, the above is not a factual statement whatsoever.

We haven't won a war since 1945, huh? Get real.

I will say we lost the Vietnam war, and that is for sure. And we didn't win the Korean War, nor did we lose it.

Its extremists like you Seth and your counterpart extremists why nobody with a cool head can actually look at facts these days. But go on and pretend you are part of the solution...

Does anybody not see that these US citizens were killed in Yemen, a country that we have diplomatic relations with! How can we say that we were not able to arrest, capture etc., as per the drone memos 2nd standard states! How can we not see the unrest and unease we cause in countries that we are not at WAR with! These are the three standards: (1) where an informed, high level official of the U.S. government has determined that the targeted individual poses an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States; (2) where a capture operation would be infeasible – and where those conducting the operation continue to monitor whether capture becomes feasible; and (3) where such an operation would be conducted consistent with applicable law of war principles. In these circumstances, the ‘realities’ of the conflict and the weight of the government’s interest in protecting its citizens from an imminent attack are such that the Constitution would not require the government to provide further process to such a U.S. citizen before using lethal force.” I can only assume by the vagueness of these standards and the fact we have an individual making the decisions of life and death that the US has given someone the ability to be judge and jury without due process! The 16 year old boy was "assasinated" while eating, was he the Target? Read article: ibtimes.com/us-doj-memo-outlines-legal-basis-drone-strikes-against-american-citizens-1062386

" 2010, Al-Awlaki’s father attempted to sue the United States government after his son was placed on the CIA’s targeted kill list. However, the case was dismissed from courts after the White House invoked the state secrets privilege." The son would of been possibly 14 if that happened before his birthday on August 25th. This amazes me that our country was in fear that there was an imminent threat of violent attack against the United States by him! The son was at a restaurant when killed, so he obviously was under observation, since it did not happen at his home or at a training camp,etc, it sounds as though he could easily been abducted and brought to trial! I do not oppose killing a US citizen that is killed in the actual act of fighting with us, but I do oppose the fact that we are killing our citizens on the basis that we "Think" they might attack us, because they do not agree with our government! We are all in trouble if that is to be the standard used against all who are opposed to our governments actions! Is this what we have in store for us if we allow this to happen now in our name, as it will become easier to for our government to take the next step if this one is already in place!

Just read another article that said he was at a fire on the side of the road with friends and that all were killed by the drone! huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/24/robert-gibbs-anwar-al-awlaki_n_2012438.html

@Seth Your question: Why do you think we are in perpetual conflicts? Answer: MONEY!

More insight into the drone attack against the boy: dissenter.firedoglake.com/2012/10/15/denver-teens-death-by-drone-remains-shrouded-in-secrecy/

Hello Jonathan, do believe in Karma? If so, by your support for the Drone strikes and ultimate collateral damage, even though you didn't fly the drone or target the missile and drop it, you are just as complicit in their deaths. With out you and others who support (give their energy to these actions) these atrocities wouldn't occur.

Hey LJ_51, Have you ever considered a rational person does not get to choose which groups are labeled "terrorists? Nope, You have a powerhungry GENOCIDAL NAZI THAT IS CURRENTLY occupying the White House making these decisions. The same scumbag that is endorsing DHS ordering billions of rounds of ammo. Why so much Ammo? It is crystal clear, but nobody is paying attention. Genocide is being planned for all that oppose this Monster occupying the WH and his administration.

I would love to know if they took other citizenship then US did they take there parents line in these foriegn countries there are countries that do not allow dual after us natraulatization yemen is one of them also pakistan these countries also have restrictions entry visa exit visa and over 30 days visa and heavy penalties if you stay over your max stay detention arrest ect very strick policy just wondering puts things in a different light what was yemen and pakistan doing ?

I'm thinking about the 500 plus homicide victims in Chicago this past year, and wondering how many of them were purposely targeted, and how many were collateral damage. This 500 figure, remember does not include the wounded. With that idea in mind, and the ability of the government to "control" the numbers of deaths, ( which apparently they can't, or there wouldn't be so many in just Chicago ), now think in terms of not only the imperfections in both targeting, AND the differences in philosophies for targeting. This boils down to the rules of engagement. What this means is some brilliant legal advisers somewhere are going to have to determine at what state do we find an individual a threat, and therefore can be eliminated.

If there weren't such rules, local S.W.A.T teams in police departments couldn't exist. Then there a jihadists who kill themselves and others in suicide bomb incidents, and what is known as "suicide" by police. Now in the case of the recent police action where the child was rescued from the bunker of a 65 year old who's motives for kidnap and murder are not known, the police responded when their sensors in some manner detected that the kidnapper was becoming irrational and the child's life was at risk.

Isn't it reasonable to declare someone mentally unstable, if they declare or promote jihad? Terrorist bombers I doubt know their victims, just like apparently this recent kidnapper didn't know his victim, nor the killers in the rash of mass shootings we've had over the last few years. To kill a jihadist, even if they were a citizen, could certainly be justified if jihad were declared a homicidal mental health, and public health threat. This means that no matter what the weapon, bombs, anthrax, plane hijackings, etc, can be referred to as the tools of the mental health threat, and like all health threats to public safety do not have to be confined within one's national boarders. If you put the photo's within the photo's of this past years homicide victims, the public would not be able to identify them as anything, or anyone other than the result of a violent death.

Which brings up the subject of responsibility, and accountability for one's decisions. At a certain age, defined by the laws of the land, one is an adult, and accountable as an adult, prepared or not. Jihad is suicide. Suicide is a mental health issue. Murder/suicide by jihad should be a capital crime. The jihadist intends to kill themselves with other victims, and succeed or not, they still end up killed themselves. That's the point for the legal philosophers to debate, not the denial of their rights. When they are dead, their individual rights are mute.

Since this was barely mentioned in the news the American people should know that a drone was used to oversee things during the Alabama bunker fiasco.

Baby steps, people, baby steps. Pay attention and open your eyes.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/interactive/2013/02/05/letter-from-senators-on-drone-authority/

Maybe you are okay with innocents being collateral damage in Yemen or Pakistan

The death of women and children in war is always regrettable. But the choice has to be made: their women and children, or ours.

What would the terrorists choose?

The death of women and children in war is always regrettable. But the choice has to be made: their women and children, or ours.

I must have missed the news where we declared war with Yemen and Pakistan.

I must have missed the news where we declared war with Yemen and Pakistan.

We are battling terrorism. Wasn't it George W. Bush who said that if we fight them over there, we won't have to fight them here?

These guys have joined with an organization who has declared war against America. They are terrorists and traitors. What..... are you going to walk into an Al Qaida camp and read them their rights? You want to volunteer for that to make sure their constitutional rights are preserved? Sorry, but any claim they had to US protection was nullified when they signed up with Al Qaida. Check the Bush administration decisions regarding terrorists at Gitmo. They never concerned themselves overly with constitutional rights. Stop using this as an opportunity for Obama bashing! Stop being hypocrits!

KW Frank

"What if the President decides that the NRA is a terrorist group, or Right to life Chapters, etc...The constitution states, no one (citizen) shall be denied life, liberty or the pursuit of happiness without due process"

Interesting point but one totally devoid of logic in this case. The NRA, the catholic church, right-to-lifers and the rest of the right-wing riff-raff are all part of the legitimate domestic political process. That's why we're having some much fun bashing the crap out of them!!!

But seriously folks, those of you who recognize my digital signature may be aware that I am pretty far to the left on almost all issues. However, the efficient application of drone strikes against legitimate terrorist targets is something I FULLY support. (I also support and am pleased by the demise of unions, but that's another posting.) If the offing of young Abdulrahman can be proved to be illegitimate, fine, let the heads roll. Until then, keep firing and keep tracking them.

Most of the right-wing imbeciles seem to think in shade of black or white, but, news flash, the world is gray. And, yeah, the left sees just as black and white. Don't even bother mentioning it.

Also, just to be snarky, Fox News is getting everything it deserves.

You cannot capture anyone in the tribal lands of Yemen there fruitcake. The highlands in Yemen make the FATA in Pakistan look like a backyard and they are brimming with hoards of AQAP armed to the teeth. What about this does not compute?

Thank you for your great first post, the second wasn't so bad either.

Killed by a drone...(shrug) must have been a terrorist.

Thats dunce mentality people; come on. If you support you might as well be pulling the trigger...with your god is watching.

@MountianLady, The concern is that "our govt." will declare some group of Americans to be terrorist. Anyone is suspect, it is hard to say who is next. Could it be PETA, or another group that protest against GM crops entering our food supply? How about NRA members, they seem to be quite hated lately. The Boyscouts have also been the news, what is the "KILL" action regarding them? GOD or someone please help us very soon. We need help.

I think the worse drone attack was when two planes took out thousands at the WTC. Yemen is a sink hole and no decent US citizen should be anywhere near an area patrolled by drones. No sympathy here. Next!

I find it interesting that no one bothers compiling and publishing statistics concerning the number of innocent children murdered by al Qaida, the Taliban and their ilk. And, in most cases this was not collateral damage it was planned mass terrorism.

The concern is that "our govt." will declare some group of Americans to be terrorist. Anyone is suspect, it is hard to say who is next. Could it be PETA, or another group that protest against GM crops entering our food supply? How about NRA members, they seem to be quite hated lately. The Boyscouts have also been the news, what is the "KILL" action regarding them? GOD or someone please help us very soon. We need help.

Chief, you do need help. Read your comment...you sound paranoid.

This really isn't much different than killing the nut who held the 6 year old in his bunker.

TrustVerify:

Superb research. Your data put into perspective the crimes committed by the US military under the name of the American people.

America mourns when 26 childrens are killed by a madman from heartland of America. Not a tear is shed for hundreds of middle east and Asian children killed by US Drones.

American hypocrisy at its finest.

America mourns when 26 childrens are killed by a madman from heartland of America. Not a tear is shed for hundreds of middle east and Asian children killed by US Drones.

American hypocrisy at its finest.

And you shed tears for a few dozen kids killed by drones, but not for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghani kids killed by U.S. soldiers...and to what end?

At least the drones minimize collateral damage while actually taking out the intended terrorist targets.

Had we done the same with Osama bin Laden, a lot of innocent people on both sides would be alive and whole. But Bush lied us into slaughtering Iraqis, people who had never hurt an American fly. Our senseless incursion into Iraq cost us a great deal of respect in the world and bred new terrorists around the globe.

Where is your outrage for that?

How many died on 9/11? We are at war. We need to win this war...

And you shed tears for a few dozen kids killed by drones, but not for the hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghani kids killed by U.S. soldiers...and to what end?

Oh I get it, you're an Obama supporter and think some of us are Bush supporters. Well I for one am not a supporter of either. We shouldn't have gotten into Iraq and we shouldn't be murdering children with drones. Why don't we just let the police operate in this country like the military operates overseas? I guess you think the life of an American child is worth more than the life of a Pakistani kid. If the US really needs to kill someone at minimum they should do it with a bullet not a freaking bomb. The USA is now a terrorist run country.

Why don't we just let the police operate in this country like the military operates overseas?

The police and the military are separate entities with different functions, as you know very well.

I guess you think the life of an American child is worth more than the life of a Pakistani kid.

I do not. We give Pakistan $$ millions in foreign aid and support them in fighting terrorism in Pakistan. In return, what do we get? I'm sorry for their children, but the Pakistanis are doing this to themselves. We have to defend ourselves.

The left went nuts when the Bush administration water boarded 3 high level, captured, AQ leaders in 2003 in order to gain intelligence. There were organized protests, signs saying "we don't torture", and countless media opeds on the subject. They went batcrazy over warrantless wiretapping and rendition. They made movies. They accused Bush of war crimes for a conflict that had congressional approval. Obama himself chastised Bush on many occasions.

Now, the Obama administration, based on the same intelligence gathering apparatus that told us there were WMD's in Iraq is conducting assassination missions in multiple sovereign countries. The same people that blamed an internet video for weeks, knowing it was an organized attack in Lybia should be trusted on drone missions? There is no mission objective to resolve the broader conflict, just endless assassinations that produce no intelligence. Collateral damage still involves innocent people. Rendition has apparently expanded as has warrantless wiretapping, to the point the administration can't even fulfill requests to tell us anything about who, when, where they are spying.

Where are those hypocrites now? Because Obama is "their" guy, they suddenly become the hawks who bleat out "we are at war" and charge full speed ahead? Where are those hypocrites that charged Iraq was a sovereign nation that never attacked us? Because drone strikes are acts of war and the theatre has expanded to several countries to include US citizens who never attacked us. Their crimes, so far as I can tell have been speaking badly of the U.S., inciting violence, and perhaps planning attacks? The problem is we don't know, because when we use drones, there is no intelligence.

As for the hysterical comment about the US killing hundreds of thousands of Iraqi and Afghan kids, produce your numbers or you are just engaging in dishonest hyperbole to keep from looking stupid. Saddam's mass graves, and pictures of the remains of executed children, with their rag dolls next to them was enough for me to know it was the right thing to remove that monster from power.

I do not. We give Pakistan $$ millions in foreign aid and support them in fighting terrorism in Pakistan. In return, what do we get? I'm sorry for their children, but the Pakistanis are doing this to themselves. We have to defend ourselves.

That's just @!$%#ing stupid. Pakistanis are individuals not some single mind entity. There is NO @!$%#ING JUSTIFICATION for bombing kids from the air to get one guy in the vicinity. If you have to take some guy out at least do it on the ground. The only thing drone strikes do is to create more enemies for ourselves.

I haven't been an Obama hater in the past, I didn't whine about Libya, I voted for Gary Johnson but I pretty much expected Obama to win and wasn't upset about it........ However........ Now I'm starting to think Obama should be impeached and prosecuted for murder.

garbageman, in reply to; "Does anybody not see that these US citizens were killed in Yemen, a country that we have diplomatic relations with! How can we say that we were not able to arrest, capture etc., as per the drone memos 2nd standard states!" Do you think Yemen is an American city where you call the cops and they rush in and arrest the guy? We have very tentative relations with the country. They are not willing to cooperate with us on a continuing basis on the terrorist threats inside their border. For one thing they fear what those terrorists would to them and their families. They rarely arrest terrorists that are known to be in their country, why do you think these people attempt to hide out there. These terrorists aren't visiting sunny Yemen for their health spas and beaches. It is one of the safer places they can hide and plan new atrocities. Pakistan is another place with same attractions for the terrorists, just look where bin Laden was found. A terrorist does not have a country per se, he just has his hate and desire for destruction and loves to read people like you who would give him more chance to exercise these. If you would use just a little common sense along with your penchant for facts all of this would stand out like a red flag.

That's just @!$%#ing stupid. Pakistanis are individuals not some single mind entity. There is NO @!$%#ING JUSTIFICATION for bombing kids from the air to get one guy in the vicinity. If you have to take some guy out at least do it on the ground. The only thing drone strikes do is to create more enemies for ourselves.

I understand your frustration but just to be clear the drones strike an area in Pakistan known as the FATA (north and south Waziristan). The FATA is extremely lawless, in fact Paki police and military are afraid to operate there as it is a hotbed of tribal factions, the majority of which are loyal to the Taliban and/or AQ. Entire families are often dedicated to the craft of insurgency. The women are often the logistics hub, while the children help link ammo or weave suicide vests. Young men want to be tribal warriors from a young age and often carry a rifle by age 10. They are often taking part in ambushes, attacks and post guard/sentry/lookout duties by 15.

Im not saying what we are doing is right but if the government of Pakistan is afraid of these people in the FATA and whose forces are often beheaded and attacked by them, should we really be concerned about collateral damage?

I haven't been an Obama hater in the past, I didn't whine about Libya, I voted for Gary Johnson but I pretty much expected Obama to win and wasn't upset about it........ However........ Now I'm starting to think Obama should be impeached and prosecuted for murder.

While this well might be the case, the leak of policy is a sticky one that has some very nasty connotations especially in the wake of a nationwide firearms ban

Hello Riley and Grandpa, thank goodness the majority of the populace have moved away from your narrow minded thinking. Darwin wasn't completely wrong, the fittest of this planet realize warmongers need to be weeded out in order to evolve.

As my mother used to say, "If you run with dogs, you're liable to get fleas."

He made his bed when he aligned himself with the jihadist. Play with fire!!!!!

Have little issue with taking out terrorist in foreign lands (regardless of their homeland).... it does concern me when the rhetoric from DC labels so many within the US boarders with similar language... Tea Party, NRA, Republicans.... all have been called terrorist by this administration at one time or another..... how long before the drones fly here at home?

A quote from the new declaration from tyranny (available B&N and iBook store) the Declaration of Federal Independence:

The Federal Government has combined with others to subject us to a jurisdiction foreign to our constitution, and unacknowledged by our laws; giving their Assent to Acts of pretended Legislation:

For acts of war without legislative authority:

For acting beyond Seas to be killed United States citizens without due process of law:

For refusing to follow rightful and just orders of the court:

For passing legislation that is outside the Powers of Enumeration:

You can join me on facebook or buy the book and declare your independence. They are pushing us into a Constitutional emergency. Chicago is about to burn. I fear the pain we are going to have to go through to fix this. It is simple - American Simple.

Steve-446003

They are already here. And yes, the local police thugs are requesting that they are armed.

Tea Party, NRA, Republicans.... all have been called terrorist by this administration at one time or another

Cite a reputable source for your allegations. What a load of bunk!

Kaybee, how about the Department of Homeland Security? They issued the report themselves in 2009, although Janet later apologized for the referencing of returning American Veterans as terrorists but refusing to refer to Al-Queda as terrorists. It is under the terms "right wing extremist and terrorist recruiting". I apologize in advance that this is the most "reputable source" available om this topic.

Steve,

Please provide some creditable evidence to your claim that "Tea Party, NRA, Republicans.... all have been called terrorist by this administration at one time or another." .

As my mother used to say, "If you run with dogs, you're liable to get fleas."

So I guess if your father is an alcoholic and beats you, you have it coming.

Just cause someone doesn't have the same beleifs as the President doesn't give him the right to order a missle strike.

Just cause someone doesn't agree with the American way of life doesn't give them the right to fly airplanes into the World Trade Center. THEY started this. WE will finish it.

The innocent children killed by drones started it? Really?

tech. we started it Jona, and we have yet to see who will end up finishing it.... my guess is it will never end.

and only a few of "them" were part of 9/11, you talk just like any ol ignorant american, so the actions of a few of them justifies us randomly blowing up buildings and just saying oooops when we kill civilians and children?

if that's the case then you should be fine with the u.s. killing all white males? since you know they are the ones that tend to commit the mass shootings that we are having problems with.... same s hit

What is ignorant is constantly complaining about fixing the problem. It's like complaining about police shooting criminals. We give the cops Tasers and people complain about the cops using Tasers. We give the cops pepper spray and people complain about the cops using pepper spray. Are they supposed to politely ask the criminal to stop and then do nothing when they don't? Get real. There is a problem and the US is going to fix it.

you almost led yourself to our line of logical thinking there Jona, you see none of us have a problem with cops shooting/tazing/or spraying criminals. Its when the police get to decide, without proof, whom the criminal is. Cause if that cop is having a bad day or doesn't agree with what you are protesting about, then what is to stop him from deciding out of convenience that you are that criminal..

I have a question for you man, u said

What is ignorant is constantly complaining about fixing the problem.

How are we fixing the problem? Was there not just an attack with a loss of life, on our embassy in turkey? what about a few months ago in libya? Are there no more soldiers being killed in the middle east?

we are not fixing anything, we are just engaging in a perpetual circle jerk, loosing countless lives and innocents, while bankrupting our nation.

They started it. When they stop bombing, so will we. Notice how they keep attacking soft targets? If they don't care about killing non-combatants, why should we?

Jonathan Reid - You need to write a book titled "Two Wrongs Make a Right".

to ....Jonathan Reid-1158169......learn to spell before trying to make stupid statements " loosing countless lives and innocents," its losing ....dumb dumb BTW your opinions smell bad of anti Americanism go to iran or yemen and spout your crap.....you are guaranteed to last 20 minites.

Provide credible evidence that Barack Obama has ever "ordered a strike" on anyone, save Osama bin Laden.

Beck and Limbaugh are not credible sources.

Would you rather we be attacked again? Hypocrites!!

i dont doubt that the 2 adults in this situation got what was coming to them, but to kill his son too? so if someone is suspected of murder we should just kill them and kill their kids too? just to be "safe"?

who designates who is considered a "terrorist"? and what if they just have a grudge against someone?

LJ_51

"This isn't about beliefs, this is about ACTIONS. Associating with a known terrorist group who's main enemy is the US is treasonous. That man got his own child killed by exposing him."

Actually this is about beliefs on many different levels. With the most obvious one being religion but there are many other cultural ones too. This article concerns our belief in the Rule of Law. The Constitution says that we as US Citizens have the Right to life. If the government thinks our crimes are serious enough for us to forfeit our lives as a penalty they can do it BUT they have to follow the rules enumerated in the Bill of Rights

The killing of an American Citizen who is an alleged "terrorist" with a drone strike violates at least 3 of the first 10 amendments:

By targeting and killing Al-Alwaki because of his writings and because he was associating with Al Qaeda the US violated his 1st. amendment's right to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, and freedom of assembly. It violated his 5th. amendment's right to due process. It completely shredded his 6th. amendment's rights to a trial by jury, right to confront his accuser, right to a speedy and public trial, and right to counsel.

When the FBI took the underwear bomber, Umar Abdulmutalla a citizen of Nigeria, off of Northwest Airlines Flight 253 on December 25, 2009 they read him his constitutional rights granting him the full protection of our Constitution. He was caught in an act of terror when his bomb failed to explode clearly making him an enemy combatant. Why should he be treated with more respect for our Constitution than a Naturalized American and his 16 year old American born son?

hypnoticfreedom

i dont doubt that the 2 adults in this situation got what was coming to them, but to kill his son too? so if someone is suspected of murder we should just kill them and kill their kids too? just to be "safe"?

Do you honestly believe that the U.S. military had no credible evidence that the son was a threat?

Do you really think safety exists anywhere on earth?

Walk the streets of Karachi if you dare. It's a dangerous world out there, sonny. It's us or them...and personally, I'd prefer to remain alive.

Why should he be treated with more respect for our Constitution than a Naturalized American and his 16 year old American born son?

Maybe because he was in custody? Why don't you go to Yemen and read them their constitutional rights?

Nassar al Alwaki, Anwar's father, says he tried to shield his grandson from the problems stirred up by his son and can't understand how the US could kill a little boy. In that area of the world a 16 year old is not a little boy, many much younger are carrying automatic weapons and in the middle of any fighting going on. I have no idea if he was innocent or not, but you have to wonder since he "snuck out of his Yemen home one night". If you think the government is letting you see all of the intelligence that they have about these terrorists you are very gullible. Anwar himself was not killed because of his writings as some here have said, he was killed because he joined a terrorist organization with vows to harm our country and its people.

When you stop and put in all trhe exceptions people want to put into war, then it is not a war any longer. A 16 year old is a man. If that man knowingly accepts the beliefs and actions of a group sworn to destroy this country, then it is out duty as Americans to fight this person with all resources we have available regardless of age.

You know this how?

@Theo: Not that I agree or disagree here, but I wonder if you or the parents of this kid, have any proof that he was unjustly targeted because of his father? I wonder if anyone can provide unquestionable evidence that shows he was:

A) Not involved in terrorist activities

B) Involved with, or providing material support to terrorists

See, anyone can use that tactic in an argument. It requires absolutely little to no thought, whatsoever. Point being, just because the Government says he's bad, doesn't make it any more true than his parents saying he was good. Most parents say their kids are absolute angels. I take their words, as I do the Governments, with a grain of salt.

Innocent til proven guilty. It's on the government to prove guilt not the parents to prove innocence. Don't have to like that idea but I am guessing you will if they come for you or yours.

@Isaac: That's the courts responsibility, not mine. I do not award innocence or guilt, based solely upon word from the victim's parents, any more than I award guilt based solely upon word from the Government. In fact, neither would the courts.

Let them come for me and mine, I've got nothing to hide. I have no links to any terrorist organization, I don't speed, I don't drink and drive etc... And I also know better than to go traveling to a terrorist hotspot, after my father who'd been associated with said terrorists, in said hotspot, was targeted and killed via drone strike for his affiliations. Paranoia? Or Logic?

not really sure it's the folks on the right condeming this activity...but thank you for taking the time to use as it as a reason to reach back and condemn bush...pretty obvious and definitely pathetic...

Baby Bush would chant 9/11 a few dozen times and the crowds would go wild.

There was plenty of bellyaching. From Democrats.

It ended the moment Barack Obama was elected President. Because it's okay as long as the person doing it has your party letter after their name.

Just remember: drones being used for killing didn't start until Obama became President. Drones were only used for surveillance under Bush.

Jeff Leadbeater -

Whether you agree or disagree with the use of drones, your statement about their implementation is false. Hellfire missles were first added to the UAV platform in 2001, and were used for combat operations throughout OEF and OIF. The frequency of their use has increased during the Obama administration, but it did not begin during it.

For background:

Personally I want to protect my descendants from people who game the US legal system. Why should these people expect any protection under the US Constitution? They spit on the Constitution! They don't believe in the Constitution or they wouldn't be planning attacks on the freedoms that the Constitution gives us.

How do you know who is gaming it if you don't give them a fair trial? Flip a coin?

Describe a fair trial. Jury of peers? Defense lawyers more and more are insisting on putting people on juries that have the intelligence of a gnat. I could never sit on a jury because I keep myself informed. There always seems to be an excuse. The criminal didn't commit the crime. It was caused by something in their past. It's never their fault. BS!

The boy was being trained to blow the plane as it came into Denver. It was imminent and the best way to take out his handlers.

sanity, gaming the system is hiding in a foreign country, aligning yourself with the enemy, and then claiming your constitutional rights have been violated. they go to these places for the sheer purpose of being outside the US judicial system, then want the protections it provides when it is convenient to them. want your US constitutional rights? then stay in the US...

He was outside of America doing whatever he was doing, do you really believe that someone could say to him, you are an American come back and air your grievance. People come on get real, these people made videos as to what they were going to do to people in America. I listened to Ed of the Ed show today, I would have loved to have heard how they expected to catch these people, how many American lives were they willing to give up to preserve these people's constitutional rights. The discussion is such a farce.

Obama IS a conservative.

Bryan---EXCELLENT point! I for one have absolutely no problem with killing terrorists, regardless of their nationality, who are plotting to kill Americans. I find it ironic however, that the "peace" candidate of 2008(Obama)---who criticized Bush for waterboarding, now has no problem with murder by drone. Funny what getting the daily presidential intel briefs will do for your perspective! But don't get me wrong, this is probably the only issue that I agree with Obama on. Take the bad guys out first----and then check their nationalities at the autopsy!

People like Jonathan Reid-1158169 & Jarhead-2884562 equate saftey with America. America was founded on Liberty and protection of peoples right to life and property. For being such patriotic badasses, they seem to be; 1) quite scared of all the bad people out to get them and 2) ignorant of why America is becoming more and more a target. They make no correlation between our growing government meddling in the affairs of other nations and the repurcussions that causes to Americans. The atrocities commited in the name of America look very different on the other side of the pond. Saying things like "America should apologize" or "these suicide bombers are a bunch of cowards" sort of reveals their myopia. Try panning out a bit wider and analyze who hit who first? And what pray tell is more cowardly, a desperate man set on fighting back to avenge the murder of his people my strapping a bomb to his chest (knowing he will die) or some kid sitting in a climate-controlled office ion middle-america sipping a Big Gulp as he navigates a taxpayer funded manless drone warhead into a schoolhouse in Pakistan? I don't disagree that violence should be met with violence, IN DEFENSE. But we are so power mad and out of line the Republic has already fallen, we just don't know it yet. This country has the best history and framework to put things right again, but we need to stop worshipping our government so much and take responisibility for ourselves again.

Needs to be: Like I said, if you are a terrorist, planning to kill Americans---we'll sort out your nationality at the autopsy. I surely don't worship this government (I'm a die hard conservative), and I have fought for this country in a Marine Corps uniform. Drone or M-16 bullet---what's the difference? The bad guy dies.

How do you know? The government told you? Bush had this guy lead his prayer breakfast after 9/11.

No. They told us. Have you been paying attention at all? These guys have been spewing anti-american rhetoric for years!

Freedom of speech is a good thing in my book. I'm willing to suffer the fools in order to protect it. If he's committed a crime, sgn out a warrant for his arrest and bring him to trial.

Sorry but freedom of speech does not allow you to yell "Fire" in a crowded movie theater. There are limits. Your right to swing your arms ends where my nose begins.

Yeah, yeah that tired old saw, fire in the crowded theater - not applicable. Obey the law of the land. The law of the land is the constitution. No short cuts.

So these terrorists are obeying the law of the land by attacking US targets? That's pretty twisted. If they expect any protection from the Constitution they should obey the Constitution. No where in the Constitution does it say that foreign interests can attack the Constitution and still expect protection from it.

where does it say the president is judge and jury and can have you whacked? Read the 5th. Even for treason there has to be substantial proof. Go back to Russia.

How much more proof do you need? These guys have been directly involved in planning attacks on the US. What more proof is necessary? Do we need to catch them red handed?

Producing the evidence in a court of law may seem like a tiny detail but it's extremely important in order for our legal system to maintain integrity.

our legal system,......... integrity,....... you're kidding, right?

This is very troubling. Where are all the NRA types now that an actual threat to the Constitution is being discussed?

Thanks "some sanity" for trying to bring some to this discussion.

some sanity please

Obey the law of the land. The law of the land is the constitution. No short cuts.

Producing the evidence in a court of law may seem like a tiny detail but it's extremely important in order for our legal system to maintain integrity.

So you would advocate that the passengers on board Flight 93 either allowed the hijackers to crash the plane into the White House or the Capitol, or attempted to take them into custody and read them their rights?

That would have been the coward's way out. They would have died either way. At least, by choosing to fight back, they made their deaths count. That is my definition of a hero.

It's funny how all the neocons have done a 180 since Obama took office. You wanted bin Laden's head on a platter until a Democrat took him out.

@ Jonathan Reid-1158169 - Actually you do have a right to yell "fire" in a crowded theatre as long as it is not prohibited by the owners of the theatre. You are confusing a free speech issue with fraud. Now if you make false claims you can be held liable for the impact your actions had against the property owner in terms of lost revenue or injury. But that hardly has anything to do with an American citizen on youtube orin his home speaking his mind about government policies. Unless someone's speech can be shown to be on the brink of inciting a riot, you can say whatever you wish in the home of the free, land of the brave.

@ kaybeetoys - And if someone is threatening to kill you, YES you have a right to get the knife out of his hand, kill him and help the pilot steer the plane back to safety. Reductio ad absurdum is not the way to win debates. But I believe the other commenter was talking about pre-mediatated acts of violence comitted by our "representatives". If you have time to have meetings and draw up detailed kill lists, then I would presume you also have enough time to phone a judge and get verbal or written warrants and\or charges filed.

I think we've made a real mess of this country and our own morrality.

@ kaybeetoys - And if someone is threatening to kill you, YES you have a right to get the knife out of his hand, kill him and help the pilot steer the plane back to safety. Reductio ad absurdum is not the way to win debates. But I believe the other commenter was talking about pre-mediatated acts of violence comitted by our "representatives". If you have time to have meetings and draw up detailed kill lists, then I would presume you also have enough time to phone a judge and get verbal or written warrants and\or charges filed.

When you are at war, do you get warrants to arrest the enemy soldiers? Do you read them their rights?

Go on over to Pakistan or Yemen and arrest a terrorist suspect. I dare you.

Talk about absurd.

I think we've made a real mess of this country and our own morrality.

Morality based solely upon the principle that whatever you do will be forgiven by an invisible being as long as you proclaim his son your savior? Yes, that kind of morality is nothing but a cop-out.

What's stopping them from accusing you of doing that on your next trip over seas? Due process that's what. The laws are there to protect the innocent.

Due process overseas? Are you nuts? The laws that protect the innocent are being twisted to protect the guilty.

And your willing to let any old elected or appointed government official decide who's innocent and who's guilty. No trial, no warrant, not even any charges. What is to prevent them from deciding to do that in country?

Absolutely nothing. It happens all the time. It's not just the President saying "Go kill this guy". There is a process that involves the input of a heck of alot of people and intel. The best way to avoid being targeted as a criminal is to not commit a crime.

Okay you're too stubborn to get it Jonathan. Good luck when it's your turn.

No. YOU are to stupid to get it. You can't pick and chose. The Constitution is not cut and paste. You can't support one amendment but not another because you don't like it. Keep looking at the world through rose colored glasses. I got a big reality check over two decades ago. Hopefully your reality check will not be as large or painful.

I'm not trashing the US Constitution because you suffered a loss. The world is bigger than just you.

You are trashing the Constitution! Why should terrorists expect any protection from the Constitution? The Constitution is there to protect law-abiding citizens of the US, not criminals and certainly not radical anarchists.

You're a terrorist Jonathan.

I am astonished by the lack of intelligence in my fellow Americans. It is the way we treat the least of us that determines the social identity for the rest of us. We are a country of laws, ruled by the law. No man is above the law or the Constitution. If we have no Constitution between us , then we have no agreement and the result will be either tyranny or anarchy. No American president has the right to kill any American citizen without due process. Not here or over there. If there actually is a war, by law, let congress declare it. Does it worry you idiots that Homeland Security has more ammo in storage here than all our military in Iraq or Afganistan? It should. Americans breaking American laws over there should be snatched by the CIA, turned over to the FBI and brought back to the states for incarceration and trial. Pray for our country.

Jonathan Reid - You honestly can't see that it is actually you who is suggesting trashing or at least circumventing the Constitution?

We should. There is no reason to allow this POS to keep breathing.

J Reis, I think you might mean well. However, your atitude is a grave threat to our Republic. I can not stress enough to you sir how important it is to us all to treat all americans with the respect as directed by our Constitution. The Bill of Rights isn't just for people in this country and our courts have already ruled it is not just to protect american citizens. It is the guide by which we interact with all people both here and abroad. How will the world ever know how great these documents are, and what a blessing for all men to live by these rules and laws, if you and I don't apply them to the worse among us? Someday, we must begin to act like we are worthy of freedom, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Someday we must win this war by proving we aren't the great satan. Then there might be peace.

The 5th amendment allows people not to incriminate themselves. These guys waived that right long ago.

You're mistaken. It is the people who want to take away your rights to defend yourself with personal firearms, such as Michael Bloomberg, Rahm Emanuel, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and Barack Obama who are most supportive of Obama's disregard for the right to a fair trial and death without discrimination. That, I suspect, would also include you.

Well whomever is doing either of them should F'ing stop. The Constitution is sacrosanct.

P.S. Jose why would write a post defending the 5th amendment if I didn't want it defended? Think.

Hey Jonathan how do you know? No official charges were ever brought against the dad and the kid was never, ever even suspected of anything. Just happened to be in the area.

No official charges were ever brought against anybody in the Towers. They weren't even suspected of anything. They just happened to be in the area.

Okay Jonathan lets run the government based on revenge. Nuke the world already and get it over with.

You are wrong. People who fight tooth and nail to protect the 2nd amendment will fight like that for all of it. Some people may like to pick and choose but not me. It is the people who will not fight for the 2nd amendment (I have a suspicion it is you) who will let all the amendments and rights be destroyed. I will use the 1st and 2nd amendments to protect anyone's 5th amendment even Muslims or terrorists because we use it to protect murderers, rapists, and pedophiles all the same with due process. 16 year old Abdulrahman, a minor, was murdered by the U.S. government.

Okay Jonathan lets run the government based on revenge. Nuke the world already and get it over with.

When did self defense become revenge? If we don't take these bastards out whenever and where ever we get the chance, they will just keep coming. Nothing short of death will ever stop them.

Hey Karnage King - why would you suspect it is me - when you are responding to a post where I am imploring others to honor the Constitution? You owe me an apology.

Hey Karnage King - why would you suspect it is me - when you are responding to a post where I am imploring others to honor the Constitution? You owe me an apology.

What ever happened to freedom of speech? Why should he apologize for invoking the 1st ammendment?

when did self defense become pre-emptive murder?

Quit trolling me Jonathan.

Only if you are inside our borders. That is where our Constitution applies.

Americans don't lose their rights when they go outside our borders. If you are traveling abroad with a US passport you have all your rights as a citizen.