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Reuters / Patrick T. Fallon
Police opened fire on this blue Toyota Tacoma pickup truck in Torrance, Calif. while searching for a similar vehicle driven by murder suspect and ex-cop Christopher Dorner.
Published 6:30 p.m. ET: They were in the wrong car at the wrong time.
Two women who were delivering newspapers in Torrance, Calif., early Thursday were shot by jittery Los Angeles police officers who mistakenly thought cop-hunting fugitive Christopher Dorner might be in their vehicle, NBCLosAngeles.com reported.
One was shot once and the other twice; both were were expected to survive. Police did not release their names.
REUTERS/Patrick T. Fallon
Police detectives investigate a shooting scene involving a black Honda pickup truck in Torrance, Calif. Police opened fire on the vehicle in a case of mistaken identity while searching for former Los Angeles police officer Christopher Dorner.
The LAPD detectives were in the neighborhood to watch over a home they believed Dorner might target. Hours earlier, the fired cop had allegedly ambushed officers in two other cities, killing one of them.
Across the region, cops on high alert were on the lookout for Dorner's dark-colored Nissan truck. In the predawn dark, they saw a blue pickup rolling through the streets with no headlights on.
It's unclear what happened next, but LAPD Chief Charlie Beck confirmed the officers fired on the vehicle, hitting the two occupants. He said it was a tragic case of "mistaken identity."
Less than a half-hour later, cops fired on another vehicle in Torrance, just two blocks away from the first scene, NBCLosAngeles.com reported. No one was injured in that vehicle, which was similar to Dorner's truck, police said.
Dorner, 33, remains at large. Police say he waging a vendetta against the LAPD for firing him, and has already murdered a retired captain's daughter and her fiance, along with the officer slain in Riverside. They say he detailed his plans and hit list in a twisted online manifesto titled "Last Resort."
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Hunt on for ex-LAPD officer in revenge slayings
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None of these trucks are the color of the guy's truck that they are looking for. Aren't they not supposed to shoot until they are fired upon? This is kind of scary. What if some criminal has a black honda civic and I'm driving with my family and they just open fire and riddle my car with bullets, killing my family. I don't know any law abiding gun owner who would be so careless with their rifles. I guess thats because I don't know any police officers.
I normally support the cops on these posts having been one myself for many years, but this shooting strikes me as an over reaction - I went through hours of training on identifying potential threats and the appropriate level of force to use in response ... this was reinforced on the streets where you learned to read the situation, and these were detectives, not rookies! ... Now, I wasn't on the scene to see what the officers may have perceived as being threatening to them; and a vehicle traveling without headlights at night is suspicious; but the article makes it sound like a premeditated execution. They are looking for a single, quite large baldheaded male, and this vehicle had two females - just a little bit of a difference and enough that should have put a little more restraint on an itchy trigger finger. I pray for the women to recover; and hope that their settlement with the city will be large enough for the pain and suffering they experienced. Then to have it happen again several blocks away? I hope they catch this Dorner fellow soon . . . so the citizens in the community can feel safe from the police paranoia and overreaction.
Wouldn't want to be the owner of a truck with the same make model and color of the perps in So. Cal right now!!
@Fred Stein
Didn't the clowns notice the ladies as they DELIVERED NEWSPAPERS or were they able to sneak up on the detectives. That would indicate to me they were not very observant.
And even failing that, they were/are looking for an individual. So in their GROSS incompetence and PATHETIC training, they opted to fire on a vehicle with not only a suspect, but a potential hostage.
THEY NEED TO LOSE THEIR SHIELDS. TODAY. NOT tomorrow.
And like you, I more often than not side with the LEO, but not this time. These idiots are nothing more than hunters... and bad ones at that, they can't even identify their target.
Fred, i hope you're on this guys hit list. It is obvious cops are out to kill this guy with out regard for innocents safety. as far as i'm concerned, the cops just validated everything he said in his crazy manifesto. if it had been my family members in that truck, i'd be grabbin my AR right now.
The LAPD is not interested in capturing this guy, but are looking to keep him from talking. Obviously they don't care who they shoot in the process. There is something clearly wrong with this picture, and people really need to read the guys manifesto to get a better idea of what might be truly going on here. The LAPD has not changed. They've allowed Mexican gangs to proliferate, while systematically taking down black gangs. While the larger community cheers, blacks in communities they have historically lived in, or being driven out. There needs to be a Federal investigation of the gun man's claims, and the officer's who shot first without truly knowing who was in the two vehicles this morning, need to not only lose their badges, but be criminally charged.
This is an example of the "trigger-happy" cops in today's world.
They must be held accountable. No excuses....
bsbfankaren,I agree with you.Yours is the best post by far.
I have a licence to carry for self defense, and I do so every day. If I shot at someone because I "thought" they were someone else who was trying to harm me, I would be in prison for decades. Cops are allowed every excuse under the sun.
By the way, Police often say that their safety is the first priority. Well, if you are a cop, and safety is your number one goal, then you need to get another job, like selling shoes. Uh, your damn occupation puts you in danger, by default. Cops want to be able to shoot people and slam them against cars and then go home without a scratch. Up yours.
Police are some of the biggest wimps I have ever met. They are super gung ho because of that badge, but what they really are, is scared, middle aged children who like to play cops and robbers.
thats L.A.PD for you...first they messed up the O.J.simpson deal then they got the wrong guy that beat up a s.f.fan and now this twice in one day...$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So no plan to apprehend this guy. Just shoot whomever until you get the one you want. I would like to think the people of Los Angeles would not stand for this and apply all of the pressure necessary to get rid of these trigger happy idiots. Have them face charges for what they have done. If all that comes of it is a suspension with pay or without, what will stop them the next time?
@ung427: Welcome to US occupied Iraq. Iraqi families were killed in the thousands by "jittery" US mercenaries and soldiers over 8 years. Don't be so surprised by the actions of the LAPD.
DOU44 please do some research before firing your mouth off. AQ and the Madhi Army operated out of Iraq killing more Iraqi civilians than the US military during the last 4 years of the war. Jittery isnt the right word tough guy.
DOU44, May I assume you were never in Iraq but instead receive your world view and experiences from Kieth Olbermann and Mother Jones. You have no idea how strict our ROE was. I was there for 16 months . Mar. 06 til July 07. You had better have a damn good reason and proof for letting the gun cut loose while in
the turret. Dip@!$%# !
DOU44: You're as 'on target' as the LAPD, slingshot. Give your head a shake.
As usual, the LAPD has made an octopus by nailing extra legs onto a dog..... wonderful. First, the purported 'spotter' needs to have his eyes examined if he thinks that 2 women in a blue pickup is equal to a 270# black man in a silver one. Second, the two that opened fire WITHOUT CONFIRMATION (by a VISUAL) that he indeed WAS in the truck need to be fired immediately and charged with attempted murder on the lives of the two female newspaper deliverers. Perhaps LAPD should also compensate anyone that did NOT receive their paper that morning to rub the point home....
Shoot first, ask questions later.
Uh, oh... WTF man... I know the cops are on a vendetta but Jesus... There are going to be hundreds of the same make, model and color of the perps truck. They serious broke protocol here.
Luckily these ladies are alive or they wouldn't be around to see all the money they're going to receive after the lawsuit...
LMOA.. Good one however, you're not far off from the truth here with this story.....
Don't think they'll be delivering newspapers any longer. They'll be jogging on the beach in Malibu in front of their new beach house.
# PAYDAY!!
As well they should be. And the cops that shot the truck (I count at least 30 bullet holes on the one picture) should be charged with attempted manslaughter because they made absolutely no attempt to identify the occupants in the truck. It wasn't "mistaken identity". It was an act a mayhem. At least attempted manslaughter if not attempted murder. Just because you're scared doesn't mean that you can shoot unarmed, innocent civilians just 'cuz ya wanna.
Fred. I dont think that the general public is afraid of Dorner, but theyare probably afraid of our Law Enforcement. These cops are criminals and should be tried in a court of law and convicted, they are corrupt. I certainly hope that you were not a corrupt cop.
Blue Tacoma and a Black Ridgeline. Yeah I can see how they were confused.
Hello folks, if you do a little research this type of police behavior is more prevalent than gets reported by the MSM. The many homes that are erroneously raided goes unreported. Is it any wonder guns are selling like hot cakes? Drones in our skies, cameras on every corner, we are already in a Police State!
It seems a typical police reaction these days is Bang Bang! Freeze!
HEY! There he is dude!!!!!
What's he doin'?!
Looks like he's throwing Grenades out his window disguised as "NEWSPAPERS!"....."Ingenious!!"
Uh, oh, when they pick up their newspapers, it'll blow up and kill them one by one man!!!
What do we do?!
Fk it. Lets take him out "now" and we'll be hero's and maybe get a promotion or something....
OK, on three, 1........ 2............Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, pa pow, pow,pa pow, etc....
That oughtta do it. Let's see if he's dead,.......................................
Uh, oh................
I told you man!!!!
No you didn't!!!!
"YES" I did man!!!!,
NO you didn't!!?!!
Uh huh!!!!
Nuh uh!!!!
OK, here's what we'll say........................ We were (Just make anything up from here. It doesn't matter)
And so....................................... Life goes on at the LAPD.
I counted around 30 holes in the vehicle as well. 7 or 8 of them in the tailgate, 7-9 on driver's side and 9 or so on the passenger's side and a few in the middle window. It's a miracle these women weren't killed.
It looks to me as if the two officers involved didn't aim very well, if at all; they just drew their service weapons and both of them emptied a clip with less than 1/3 of the rounds anywhere near the target area (being the driver's head I would assume). Also, it appears that the rounds entered through the rear of the vehicle.
With this in mind, it begs the questions:
I am by no means defending the officers actions, but a vehicle driving along a public thoroughfare with the headlights out is rather suspicious and this was compounded by the vehicle matching the description of the suspect's vehicle.
HOWEVER, 30 ROUNDS FIRED AT THE REAR OF THE VEHICLE WITHOUT CONFIRMATION OF THE INTENDED TARGET?????
I served with a law enforcement agency for 5 years and met a few "trigger happy" officers, but this is waaaaaaay across the line.
My best wishes to the unfortunate ladies who were wounded and wish them well. Pretty soon these police officers will be delivering the newspaper to them in their mansions once the ladies receive their multi-million dollar settlement.
LOL @ Creek Dog!! Good one man!
Too bad that situations like this are not only in L.A.
The irony here is that despite the obviousness of the credibility of these officers being in question, everybody is taking it as de facto truth that the headlights were actually out.
Regardless of whether their lights were out or not, this shooting was completely unjustified. 40+ rounds without a single shot ever having been fired from the opposite party? That is an assassination attempt, not justified use of force.
They are calling it a tragic case of mistaken identity? That implies they made an attempt to identify, and yet if they had there would not have been a shooting because they would have seen that it was not the same make, model, or even color as the vehicle they are looking for. These officers must face attempted murder charges.
Dorner's dark-colored Nissan truck.
On another note, I wonder how many bullets were fired at the newspaper deliver ladies truck from the REAR, and how many hit the house at 5615, with the brown door.
All shots fired from the rear? That's some bad-ass cops!! LOL!!
I hope LAPD gets sued into oblivion!!
And these are the ass clowns that the NRA want "protecting" our children in schools?
Total lack of professionalism on their part. If I owned a truck out there I'd park it in the garage until this thing is overwith! Crazy cops!
I'm disabled, so that makes me an easy mark for thugs....I feel I have a target on me everytime I leave the house... That is why I got my CCW Permit, took Defensive Shooting Courses and read EVERYTHING frontwards and backwards on Florida's Carry / Conceal and Stand Ones Ground Laws....and carry all the time.
The Law will come down on me like a ton of bricks if I screw up.....
Hey LAPD, sucks having a target on your back, doesn't it ???....
"It's unclear what happened next, but LAPD Chief Charlie Beck confirmed the officers fired on the vehicle, hitting the two occupants. He said it was a tragic case of "mistaken identity.""
I wonder if the Police Chief in my town would just say that if I shot 30 rounds into the back of a vehicle....
Congrats! One more innocent person and the LAPD will have shot as many people as Dorner has! Gotta love all these these "professionals". We have the LAPD and ex-LAPD professionals all shooting innocent people and an ex-Navy Reservist who couldn't figure out how to steal a boat.
Yup, yup. More than happy to give up my AR to Obama and rely on the "professionals" and 9-1-1.
this is NOT a case of mistaken identity; IT IS A CASE, of lax training, lack of discipline, lack of training, lack of proper procedure; these cops must be arrested, and prosecuted for attempt manslaughter, sent to jail, and the chief fired, this crazy stuff has to stop, we are now all in danger from the people we pay to protect us, who is going to protect us from them?
No, these are the 'ass clowns' that Sen. Feinstein thinks are the only ones professional enough to have 'assault weapons'. Hope you feel safer now.
This is totally inexcusable behavior by the LAPD. Beyond embarrassing. Lucky for them, these women will survive. Unfortunately, the taxpayers of LA will be on the hook for these idiots mistakes, to the tune of 10's of millions each I'm sure. And normally I abhor such judgments, in this case, they'll deserve every penny they get.
This reminds me of the bystanders injured in a N.Y. shootout this past Summer. What is going on with the level of competencewithin some of our police departments? Both incidents are indicative of poor training, poor candidates, or both.
Did you see how many bullet holes were in the back of that poor truck? Were these two morons even looking at when they decided to unload on these two ladies? This is absolutely pathetic! The LAPD better be ready to get its check book out, because this is going to be an expensive mistake.
This is exactly the kind of power-abuse that Dorner is trying to shed light on.
It's unfortunate he felt this was his "last resort," but as we have seen and heard from the LAPD over the past two decades, multiple accusations of corruption and excessive use of force. The recent shootings of innocent civilians just reaffirms this.
If our guns are taken away this will be a daily occurance.....
Maybe... if they're not paralyzed. :(
And these are the law enforcement clowns that citizens are expected to rely on for protection?
And you trust governmental players more this year than you did 10 years ago?
Can you even imagine what it will be like when "Drones" are in their hands?
Why is our government under "Homeland Security" purchasing enough ammunition to fight a war for thirty years when they are trying to disarm private citizens?.... (see link below)
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-purchases-21-6-million-more-rounds-of-ammunition/
Is it more likely that "communist" or "terrorist" destroy our democratic society before our own government entities do?
Personally ... I fear my own governments actions more than anyone else ... see actions like Dorner's as reoccurring more often, because of the lack of integrity of Federal, State and local government players and the growing frustrations of citizens ..
Dorner will die at the hands of LA police,or Federal players, but his cries of injustice has been heard and are effecting the way people perceive their government .... perhaps some real good my come from this fiasco ..
Arbitrarily firing into vehicles?
The actions of these cops are that of people that are frightened to the point of near panic. This is the bunch that's supposed to be protecting us? The people have more to fear from the police than from the likes of Dorner.
It's little wonder why the government wants to disarm the people.
Wow. This level of ineptitude smacks of the South Park PD.
Zapain, The BLUE Toyota did NOT match the suspects vehicle description at all! He was known to be driving a BLACK or DARK GREY Nissan, he is a 6' 270# Black man alone. This truck is BLUE and contained two WOMEN, so I can surely see how they are very similar...The Honda Ridgeline that the Torrance cops fired on is also not a Nissan and looks nothing like one...You cannot open fire on an occupied vehicle without being certain of the target. Since when did cops have the right to shoot on sight? It is really strange in this case because they obviously couldn't see who they were shooting at TWICE...
mcbarker - what's even sadder is that the anti-gun movement only wants cops to have semi-automatic weapons. The cops in California seems to be worse than the average law abiding citizen in shooting innocent victims without provocation. In fact, the article doesn't even mention the reported shooting 25 minutes later of another vehicle by cops who mis-identified a vehicle as belonging to the suspect.
The LAPD has always been too militarized.
The scary thing is, I still don't think they have any idea where to find Dorner. Planting a red herring in the mountains north of LA (like his burned out truck) is the oldest trick in the book, since you can look for weeks out there without finding anything conclusive. Many a criminal has used similar tactics and then reappeared in some other part of the state, and the police fall for it every time.
Holy freakin crap man!
You know, I think this psycho they're hunting is a murdering dirtbag - so I strongly disagree with you idiots on the boards who are trying to make him out to be a folk hero.
However - goddamnit LAPD, you sure are doing your best to make people sympathize with him. How in the cock-fighting naked Roseanne Hell did they f@#$ rationalize that it would be cool to freaking go blasty McBlasterson on this situation. They were not fired upon. The truck is not even remotely close to the truck driven by the suspect. The truck's occupants were delivering newspapers.
Oh yeah, and the truck's occupants were TWO WOMEN NOT ONE REALLY BIG BALD BLACK GUY.
you know what, I don't give a sh@$# about any excuses, these two @!$%#s need to be pulled off the force and brought up on charges immediately. Wish the LAPD was more militarized, dereliction of duty and damn court martial sound pretty freaking applicable here.
@ random guy-3770886 I read your comment "Fred, i hope you're on this guys hit list..." and have to say wow... you have some anger issues there buddy! I wouldn't think of wishing harm on you or anyone else for that matter.
If you read my post, then you would see that, other than your wish for my early demise, we are in general agreement of the apparent inappropriateness of these officers shooting at the wrong vehicle, and wounding of the two Asian women. And a like unfortunate incident a short distance and time later that, thankfully, no one was injured. Like most readers, I question the rational for shooting!
As neither of us was on the scene of the shooting, we both are limited to the facts as presented in the main stream media. If the facts play out as in the news stories, I would hope these detectives are held both criminally and civilly liable. That was, in-fact, what was inferred by my comment of "the article makes it sound like a premeditated execution." Which I would assume is a criminal act in California as it is in other jurisdictions.
@ wascigarman Good post and I agree with you - I too would be more fearful of the police jitteriness than I would be of Dorner, based on the stories I've read. I hope they will attempt to arrest him so that he would have his day in court. ... and to answer your question, I was an honest cop, as you will find upwards of 90% to be honest, but like any profession law enforcement has its share of bad apples. I retired from law enforcement a dozen or so years ago, and I doubt that anything has changed that much. Most cops I knew are hard working individuals that are just trying to do a job safely, reduce crime, protect their communities, and go home at the end of their shifts.
Fred, if you are an honest cop and you do not do something about the rotten ones you are WORSE than they are because you know better! Ignoring the bad has gotten us to the point we are at today and no one is safe. I fear the cop more than the criminal, because I can fight the criminal but the cop can kill me and will always be RIGHT!
OMG!!What the heck??they are not even the same color,same vehicle[hell the honda is a 4door,nothing resembling a nissan!?!!?WTH?]and they DEFINITELY were NOT a 275lb BALD black guy!!..Geeeeez dudes!!get grip,on yourself not the trigger...you can just go aroung shooting!and in neighborhoods!what if you shot a sleeping kid in the house in the side ground??geeeez,,ridiculous
I can understand how, in the darkness, police might have thought this vehicle belonged to the shooting suspect, and that the appearance, gender and race of the driver might not be discernible.
But you can't have the police emptying their pistols at any vehicle which might be driven by a murder suspect.
I question whether these two officers have the presence of mind, or courage to wear a badge.
We all know asians cannot drive.. So asian women driving... that too in a truck! Must be suspicious!
I used to deliver newspapers and we would turn the headlights off and on depending on where they would be shining. We did not let them shine inside someones house. No one wants to be woke up by headlights shining in the bedroom windows. Sometimes my grand daughters would go with me and shove them in the boxes. They thought it was fun to help me. Imagine if they had shot at my car and killed 2 little girls??? Idiots!!
These two police just added to the idea of the public that our police need WAAAAYYYY more training and that they are human too and more than a little scary! In a normal job if you misjudge a situation really bad you might accidently send the package to the wrong house, break someones new item or even misdiagnose an illness but to actually shoot TWO innocent people with every intent to kill them for ZERO reason and without ZERO proof that they are the person they are hunting for is beyond insane!!! I am usually defending police because they are usually trying to do the right thing and have everyones best interest but this is so over the top!!! Hopefully these women will not have any life long physical or mental issues from this!
Wonder who's house they were guarding?
Its scary that most people I have talked to are more afraid of the officers shooting innocent people than they are about Dorner. Dorner shouldnt be shooting innocent people like the daughter and her fiance, and the cops are just going crazy right now. Maybe Dorner was right...
Driving a dark colored truck in L.A. is now considered reason enough for police to kill you.
Every person that fired their guns that night should face attempted murder charges maybe then they'll think twice. I do feel for police and their impossible job but this story makes me sick. Im sure this story doesn't play well for us law abiding citizens that plan on staying armed through all this madness. Just another great example of why all people should be disarmed, give them a club and a whistle just like England.
Good grief!
I know the officers are worried about being the next target, but if this is the level of competency for LAPD someone should take a look at the entire department, from the top down.
I gotta agree here too. That was rampant disregard for all life. Not even a eyeball on the occupants. If they were eyeballed, it could plainly be seen, that they are were women. Also, no shots were fired at the officers to dictate return fire. These officers should be charged.
Funny, but that is a large part of what this guys' manifesto is devoted to. Ironic that in their pursuit of the suspect the LAPD should prove him correct on his charges of corruption and unnecessary use of force.
Excellent insight Dan.
Wish I could thumb that up twice.
"Active and retired police officers will be exempt from all provisions of the "assault weapons" ban..."
Fundamental rule of gun safety: Know your target!
Dan Mac-7099229
"Active and retired police officers will be exempt from all provisions of the "assault weapons" ban..."
Fundamental rule of gun safety: Know your target!
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Dan Mac, and that is as it should be. We need universal background checks and caps on the large magazines. D*m, I am liberal, but I can shoot! What ever happened to "shooting straight"??
It seems like all these right wing people want to "spray and pray" when they shoot at something..
Truthnow: Really? You want to exempt the very ones guilty of this attrocity?
So, you're saying that these knuckleheads were "right wing people", who basically "sprayed and prayed"? Am I understading that correctly? For the record, any Veteran out there could school these idiots about the proper use of firearms, but for you to paint such a distorted picture with your liberal paintbrush speaks volumes about where you stand on the subject.
In keeping with at least the spirit of the 2nd amendment's intention of gaurding against a tyrannical government, police should be limited to the same arms allowed to civilians.
After this disgusting episode, perhaps they should only be allowed nerf night-sticks.
If the California cops are any example of the responsibility for use of semi-automatic weapons, then the anti-gun movement has lost its main argument for banning, restricting, or eliminating them from civilian life. These two incidents should be considered as mass shootings perpetrated by local law enforcment on innocent citizens.
dan42day--'nerf night sticks'--ya got me laughin' on that one!
Seriously, this is pathetic---my dad who was a retired Sheriffs Officer, is rolling over in his grave!!!
I'm usually sympathetic with cops, but this is just pathetic! Those 2 ladies deserve all the money they can get!
OMG, I just thought of something--we live in Bakersfield, only a few hours drive from LA. And my hubby drives a silver Toyota Tacoma. We better not go to LA until they catch this guy Dorner!
One thing I have to say, I can understand how LAPD cops are really even more anxious and angry--cause this guy Dorner killed a family member and her fiance--that makes it doubly hard. If you are a cop, it's one thing to have someone gunning for you, another to have someone gunning for your family. But that doesn't excuse throwing Policy and Procedure out of the window--it makes it even more important to follow P & P or else you become what you fear and hate--just look at it from the standpoint of those innocents who were fired upon.
Holy cow...don't be in the wrong place at the right time in the wrong vehicle! Jumpy much, LAPD?
What's that got to do with not first identifying the correct vehicle, the number of occupants, and gender of the occupants inside the vehicle? So...what, they're going to open fire on every vehicle that sort of...kind of...maybe looks a little like the suspects vehicle? Sounds like the orders are shoot on sight.
My question is why would a college graduate, 'law abiding citizen' that spent 11 years in the navy, and 8 yrs on the police force lie about his field training officer kicking a mentally disabled person? This smells very wrong. This guy may have some real grievances, although killing innocents is not the way to address them.
bow, you forgot to mention that the "creeping" vehicle should be playing the song "Ridin' Dirty" ;)
Speaking of songs and "creeping", the LAPD just might blame the group TLC for the song "Creep" in this instance. LOL
As was mentioned once before, we have no verification that this truck actually had it's headlights off. The only witnesses seem to be the officers who clearly have no brains, and I am not willing to accept what they say as having any reliability at all.
Cops running amok....shoot first , identify later.
Any two chicks who together resemble Dorner will be shot.,that should narrow it down...
Wow! I cannot imagine how these 2 ladies are still alive! Over 30 rounds shot at them and many through the rear window where their heads should have been! Those are 2 very LUCKY ladies! With that kind of luck, they should rush right out and buy a few lottery tickets! Yes, they will hit the jackpot with the city of LA soon but what's wrong with winning the California lottery, too! Lucky, lucky, lucky! I'm just glad they are alive and hope they have no permanent injuries! But I would also hope those 2 so-called "detectives" are fired and charged with attempted murder! They are a disgrace to good policemen all over the country!
I'd suggest that there are more soon to be EX-LAPD officers around.
The "detectives" obviously fired on the blue pickup in the area of 25 +/- times. And were they not looking for ONE suspect? Why then why are the driver AND passenger side shot to hell? And shot in the rear. They had ABSOLUTELY NO IDEA OF THEIR TARGET.
I was willing to give them the benefit of the doubt in another thread, but seeing this, if they haven't lost their shields and firearms yet, then besides these two, their supervisors need to lose theirs also.
I can't comment on the other incident, but besides shooting it up, it looks like it was rammed. WHY? Was it an unmarked patrol unit that was firing on it? If so, then I would do the same.... get off the X as quickly as possible, failing that, the officer would have had some return fire headed his way. I WILL NOT stop for an unmarked unit, until I'm in a well lit populated area.
They failed to identify their target, not once, but twice. And this thing is just getting started!
They still have a way to go to match NYPD at 9 civilians shot for one event.
Sadly, when the dust settles on the "gun control" debate, there is a potential that only cops and crooks will have guns.
Kinda makes ya feel warm 'n fuzzy all over!
I served as a fed LEO and this crap is over the top. Freakin' trigger happy cheese dicks want pay back.
Why don't they just set the city on fire and shoot everybody that runs out of the burning buildings.
Bet if their family members were in vehicles they shot up like that they would think twice? These trigger happy jerks need to have their shields and firearms stripped from them forever. So they can play cop as a rent-a-cop security dweeb. More and likely they will get a commendation and raise in salary. I am sure the review board will exonerate them of all charges as they did the deed in performance of their duties.
just a bunch of stupid cops ....so look how many holes at the truck !
At least in New York the civilians are safer now after the 9 bystanders were
shot. In PRESIDENT Cumo's haste to enact his gun ban there is no exceptions
for anyone so until they amend his Royal Decree the police and swat teams
will be criminals also. Now they'll have to swap magazines when they shoot
up a crowd. Yep, get the guns away from the crazy's......
MANY, MANY, already are!!! A large majority of cops believe they are "Gods with Guns." Lots of them tell their close friends, 'if you have a problem, don't call 911 or the cops, call us,' that's a frequent statement.
So when did it become operationally sound (or legal) to shoot targets of opportunity in a residential area? The second part of target recognition is that you always look at whats behind it. The first being that you have the right target to begin with. How is it justified to dump an ass load of rounds into a vehicle period without even looking to make sure you have the right person? Was there an actual threat at the time to justify this action. The vehicle was driving slowly without headlights? Wow, all you early risers who havent had the morning coffee fix are in deep @!$%# the next time you forget to activate those headlights. Third, this goes towards the police state Feinstien and the diplomat from kenya want to create. No they wont verbalize it publicly but the release of information on the drone strikes on Americans was no accident. While it is very likely that the suspects and LAPD actions have nothing to do with the current state of affairs that plague our country but it does bring to light how far down the rabbit hole we have gone. The drone strikes in our own country are coming people. I am not trolling for a fight but everything that has happened during the last four years has been leading to a situation like this. My final question is what will we do as a country to correct this action?
Sounds like the justice department better get busy penning the rules of engagement for civilians to fire on law enforcement in self defense when being fired upon first for no reason.
And it sounds like the next thing we all should be investing in is personal mini cams to be used by our defense attorneys.
And where is the DoJ? The FBI should be coordinating this mess. Take the LAPD out of the equation or more bullets will be wrongly fired.
I hope these women get everything they want, including the officers' badges and pensions.
can you say LAWSUIT?????
I don't think that these ladies will have to deliver papers for a living after this Barney fife episode.
And this is one case where these poor women will deserve every single penny! "Mistaken identity" my left toe--they didn't even bother to try to identify the suspect. It's an absolute miracle that these women are alive. I hope they recover soon--and that the "mistaken identity" body count is over!
Most cops are KILLERS in their heart plain and simple, these criminals cops will get a slap on the wrist and continue to kill with impunity, it's a sport to them.
Going to take some time and effort for the cops to lie their way out of this one. Not to worry, they will do it. Have lots of practice and unlimited $ to fund lawyers (sorry typo, meant liars)
Looking at the truck, how many bullets hit the house in front of it?
Damon if they used their super high speed low drag "assualt rifles" with standard ball ammo i would be looking at the houses to either side as well nothing tumbles like a 5.56 round.
How do YOU know?
You are an idiot stating that most cops are killers. I was a cop for over 30 years and yes, I was in three fatal shootings when fired upon in two of the three and legally justified in all. Taking a human life is a terrible thing to have to live with for the rest of one's life. I got into police work to help people. Yes, this appears to be a bad shooting for obvious reasons as reported by the press. Cops are human beings. we make mistakes. Sometimes, not all the time, mistakes are made. There is always the factor of human error. Now do I believe a law suit will follow? Absolutely, and rightfully so. I think about if my loved ones were out making a living and shot like that how I would feel. I have been involved in manhunts and a vigilence of caution does take over which must be kept within good judgement.
Scott, This happened twice. Both times cops fired on a truck that does not resemble the suspect vehicle. How is this possible that cops can't tell the difference between a Honda, Nissan or Toyota? WTH?
Umm, didn't the police get the same vehicle description as the rest of the country did? Grey with a rack on top of the cab, DOD sticker lower left side of the windshield, license plate number, and something else I can't remember. Now it was 5 am and maybe the cops couldn't see there were two people in this truck. But looking at the bullet holes, they aimed for both sides of the passenger area. And why from the back? Did they refuse to stop? While delivering papers? <sarcasm> I don't know anything about the black Honda yet. Reading Donner' manifesto, I was kinda in support of him until I came to the parts about supporting a gun ban and the other ramblings he went into. Little ironic that he wants to clear his name by murdering his perceived enemies. Either way dude, your life is over. He believes he was wronged. He believes this is his 'last resort'. This isn't the first time LAPD has been accused of wrong doing, but this is certainly the most deadly. I would suggest that there is some truth to Donner' claims as well as previous ones. Besides him murdering people, the spotlight is also on you LAPD,...again.
Very possibly they didn't stop. The shooters in this instance were identified as detectives, and as far as i know, the very large majority of detectives work in plain clothes. Would YOU stop for unknown people in the dark?
HOWEVER, having said that, they're looking for an INDIVIDUAL, as in one, uno, single, alone.... is there something about TWO as compared to ONE that they don't quite understand?
I know I sure as hell wouldn't have stopped. But I also have a better understanding of how to get off the X than these poor ladies did.
I don't care if they were hunting the devil himself -- this is inexcusable! There need to be at least two more fired cops in addition to the one they are looking for.
Yo, Wayne the Peter, there ain't no such thing as a good guy with a gun. Well, I take that back....unless he was pointing it at your head.
Would YOU stop for unknown people in the dark?
Well, if they were pointing guns at me and flashing a badge, .........maybe.. You have a good point. I am very curious of which way the cops approached them, from the front or the back/side. And unless the women tried to run them over, which could be arguable in how they were approached, I can think of no valid reason for the cops to shoot magazines into the back glass and body of their truck. Maybe more facts will come out explaining this. Without knowing all the details, it is easy to think that the cops just wanted to shoot somebody and they thought they had a very good reason to, and the opportunity. Being scared is one thing, but shooting at innocents? If they are to retain their jobs as policemen, some re-training is in order.
I'm sure more "facts" will come out, just as soon as LAPD has had a chance to manufacture them.
Idoit cops, with a cop mentality.....I hope this costs the city MILLION$ and those cops jailed for assault with a deadly weapon.......HEY ACLU....WHERE ARE YOU?????
100% idiot cops. A person who joins the police is more than likely someone who was bullied at school and has a very small pecker.
People who join the police are people who have a need to humiliate others around them. I personally think it is a sickness.
Just have a look at them walking down the street with everything they can purchase in Walmart to hang on their belt, and high heel boots to make then tall and powerful.
Trust me, these two clowns will get off with a good talking too, and have to attend classes on how not to shoot the paper delivery girls.
Unforgivable!!! These undercover officers should be put in prison for life. Firing on helpless citizens??? They are as bad as the man they are looking for. Disgusting low life scum of the earth that will be able to hide behind their badges and the excuses they concoct as to why they tried to kill two innocent women trying to make a living. I hope these women sue them for everything they've got.
Looking at all the bullet holes in the ladies pickup truck, it's obvious that the police had no idea who was in the truck, but simply started firing anyway. How RECKLESS is that? Even if Dorner was in there, how would they know he didn't have a hostage without trying to identify the occupants?
I hope these ladies fully recover from their injuries and receive a VERY large settlement with the LAPD.
I was thinking the same thing. After the lawsuits they'll own the city, but my question is.... would that ownership come with all the bills and debt?
The sad part of any lawsuit will be that taxpayers will actually be paying the price, not the officers, not their watch commanders, not the academy where they were "trained", not even the administration that supports a vigilante culture within the LAPD, a culture that support the idea that the LAPD can behave with impunity and are above the law.
There are some jurisdictions that allow the LEO to be sued personally if it is proved that he/she acted with wanton disregard for the ramifications of their actions.
I would submit that firing at TWO individuals when you're looking for ONE is dereliction and wanton disregard for the ramifications. What if the other "target" was a hostage? Oop's sorry about that?
If this guy takes a hostage then we can safely assume what will happen to them.
I hope they sue the LAPD for a 100 million dollars.
"a tragic case of mistaken identity" don't they need to know who they are shooting at ?
of course not, not LA pigs, they love to kill and then go out for breakfast.
I counted 29 hits on the tailgate and back window of the pick-up, and probably another 29 missed and hit other cars and houses in the area.
Absolute moron pigs of the highest degree. These pair of badged clown are far more dangerous than the perp. He is going after other moron cops and certainly not going after normal people.
do the US cops have a bag limit on citizens ?? Leave the NRA alone and go after the pigs with guns.
I dont remember them shooting ANYONE in the 1992 riots.....................because they were gone in hiding.
The public was left to defend themselves against the rioting thugs for those who've forgotten or to young.
Nobody there but smith and wesson.
Are you making a point for gun ownership, they wont listen until there is a angry man with a baseball bat in their living room.
The perp drives a nissan and they shoot up a tacoma and a ridgeline? They cant tell the make of a truck but they always do great on the witness stand, what a complete joke.
That guy is a deadman for what he did to those kids though, I would gladly join this search.
Not taking the gray ram out until they get this guy.
Identify your target and everything down range, you would learn that in a basic firearms class.
Already said, "Looks like a lot of (police officers) are looking over their shoulders, instead of to their fronts!
Proving a raving lunatic correct. Good job LAPD.
Exactly. LAPD is making this crazed lunatic look good.
And even though the idiots shot the trucks full of holes, they will all be investigated and cleared of all wrong doing..(by the police)
I am really really really starting to hate cops. And I'm not alone.
Now must we fear the men in Blue paid to protect us? There is just no excuse for this mistaken identity. I hope they win millions of $$$ in compensation.
I haven't seen a man in blue in some time. They dress in black nowadays.
All the better to live out their special ops combat fantasies. Welcome to the police state!
Trigger happy motherf******. Not atypical of LAPD or LACounty Sheriffs deputies. I hope they get their dumb as**s fired.
Be-careful, cops that get fired seem to have mental issues and go on shooting spree rampages.
"Mistaken identity"?? Yea. I'd love to hear him say that when it's his family and friends his officers are shooting. The cops might be worse than the man they're looking for. At least he's shooting ONLY cops, not civilians...so far. If the woman shot in the back lives, she may be paralyzed for life. All because some cops shoot first & ask questions later. I wonder how many more innocent people will be shot by LAPD. God forbid they have a vehicle that actually fits the description.
Wouldn't it be over if they cleared his name of lying? Oh wait, then they'd have a lawsuit from the guy who was kicked. Guess the money wins.
Oops. Line of thought & choice of words don't match up there. I know he's killed innocent family members of one cop. What I mean is that he's not randomly killing people like the recent cases of random shootings.
SOooo, The guy they are looking for shot innocent people so these detectives
shoot innocent people? Maybe they were going under cover and trying to
blend in with him? Where I live a lot of the cops are Gung Ho ex-military
who want to drive fast and play tough. The odd part is when I was in
the MP's were a lot better breed of men and women and not like this?
desoto funny you should mention that in my neck of the woods they are all wanna be military that can't qualify with their sidearms much less know how to zero their wore out ar's. they are however very capable of leaving their ar's in unlocked vehicles and having them stolen.
I can't wait to see what the L.A.P.D will say to excuse these stupid detectives. Cops are behaving like swine and have become nothing but another gang with the law on their side.
This is what will happen here, there will not be justice, just another cover up with lies and money. These cops need to be charged and put in jail.
It makes me wonder if what if what Dorner said is true. He was one of them and I believe they just wanted to shut him up. (Dorner is wrong for the killings) But cops today (not all) live by a code and will lie to protect their own. Period!
Most cops have not been caught at their criminal activities! My father was a cop in NYC and he told me many stories about cop corruption. They need to be punished and not just fired!
Most cops are vindictive and see citizens as people who are second class. Especially when it comes to minorities.
Maybe most of these badge toting gang members were at one time were on the up and up, but now have become burnt out and they can't handle their job any longer.
Our society has another gang to worry about. They just profile people and go after them!