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The video is believed to have been shot in July 2011 in Helmand province in southern Afghanistan. Five other Marines have already pleaded guilty.
Two more Marines — including the first officer to be implicated — have been charged in connection with a video that became public last year showing Marines urinating on the dead bodies of insurgents in Afghanistan, the Marine Corps said Friday.
The video, which showed four Marines in full combat gear urinating on the bodies of three dead men, set off protests across Afghanistan after it was published on YouTube early last year. Five other Marines, two of them sergeants, have already pleaded guilty in plea arrangements that brought light sentences.
The two Marines named in the new charges include the highest-ranked Marine so far implicated in the scandal, Capt. James V. Clement, now stationed at Marine Corps Base Quantico in Quantico, Va.
He faces an Article 32 hearing — similar to civilian preliminary hearing — on a raft of serious charges, including dereliction of duty, failing to properly supervise junior Marines, failing to stop the misconduct of junior Marines, failing to report misconduct and making false statements to military investigators.
Sgt. Robert W. Richards, who is now stationed at Camp Lejeune, N.C., was charged with dereliction of duty, violation of a lawful general order and conduct prejudicial to the good order and discipline of the armed forces. Richards is alleged to have taken improper photographs that showed the mistreatment of human casualties.
Lt. Gen. Richard Mills, former commanding general of the Marines' Combat Development Command in southwest Afghanistan, will decide on their fates after their Article 32 proceedings, the Marine Corps said.
The incident is believed to have occurred in July 2011 in Helmand province in southern Afghanistan, a significant center of Taliban activity and the scene of prolonged fighting between the Taliban and U.S.-led international forces.
The impact of the video rivaled that of the release of photographs showing alleged U.S. torture and human rights abuses against prisoners at the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq in 2003 and 2004, U.S. officials said last month when some of the other Marines pleaded guilty.
"Events like Abu Ghraib and the torture that happened there at that prison certainly acted as a recruiting tool for al-Qaida," said Navy Capt. John Kirby, a spokesman for the Defense Department. "Certainly, we are concerned about any backlash that might occur."
Then-Defense Secretary Leon Panetta said, "That kind of behavior is deplorable, and I condemn it."
No date was set for Clement's and Richards' hearings.
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One firm slap on the wrist for each Marine, administered by a burly MP, and then return them to duty.
The terrorist scum were dead, so they leaked on 'em, big deal. The above suffices as punishment. If a Muslim about to attack Marines in Afghanistan thinks this is commonplace and fears his dead body will be contaminated by urine if he dies, good.
How on Earth did we ever win WWII? When did $hit like this become more important than killing the enemy and winning the conflict? Half these guys will come back with PTSD and perhaps kill themselves. Do the mothers and fathers of soldiers KIA really give a crap (or a piss) about this BS?
King: You are absolutely right.
If we fought wars in WWII like we do today we would all be speaking German or Japanese right now (and that is if our parents and grandparents weren't tortured and executed instead).
Absolutely amazing how we coddle. We are either in war or we are not. What they did wasn't right but when the enemy are cutting heads off and dragging bodies down streets I don't think it is that big of a deal. Admonish the soldiers, take away privileges for a month, and then let it go.
I'm just sorry they didn't have a small vial of pig's blood and put a few drops on their heads at the same time.
These boys have no place in a mans army.
They should be dishonorably discharged. Immature punks.
Well maybe we can keep the story alive in the press and get more of our soldiers killed. Thanks for the sensationalism MSN.
Stuff happens. My issue with this whole thing is these young Marines decided it would be funny to film it and put it on Youtube. For that, you get the book, and zero sympathy.
Leave it to NBC to turn this into a pissing contest.
With what they do to the bodies of our dead, this should not even be an issue. Compared to beheading soldiers and hanging their bodies on display or dragging them through the streets, what these marines did is nothing. Give them a letter of reprimand in their files and get them back on full duty ASAP.
post of the day
Another bright and shiny example of the pigs some of our soldier are. Spare me the whole "they are dying for our country" bit. Did they not sign themselves up to die and render away all the rights they had?! Did they not chose THEMSELVES to fight a war for corporate interest and expect every US citizen to kiss their as*holes when they got back? I'm sorry I think you are a fool to sign up to be a pawn for this broken system. Don't expect my sympathy. Urinating on dead bodies is funny? I could have sworn i had an excellent sense of humor and this is lost on me. Who cares what THEY are doing to bodies THEY are savages honestly. THe terrorists are complete savages and can kiss my as* too. The things they do to women over there and the terrible lack of respect they have for human life is unbelievable! Just because THEY do anything wrong doesn't mean its ok for US to do terrible things. Since when does two wrongs make a right?
I disagree with this. This isn't a contest to see who can do the worst vile acts to the other sides dead bodies. The one thing that separates us from those animals is that we DON'T do things like that.
Well, it's clear that some sanity please and Mr. Binkie are a couple of bleeding heart libs who've never served a day in the military, and wouldn't lift a finger to defend all those personal rights and freedoms they incorrectly believe to be their birthright.
Some scumbag liberal posted this video because they care more about four dead terrorists getting pissed on than they do the number of Americans whose lives are now in danger because of this situation.
Typical disloyal, anti-American libs...
Used to but I guess not any more. Humiliation of the dead is as much psychological warfare as putting a bullet through the enemy's head to dispatch him to his creator. Always has been in wars now I guess with women and all we have to clean up our act on killing and the treatment of the dead.
I would have rather they take a leak on them whild they were alive, and then shoot them. Our Government charges people for leaking on scum while these scum are plotting against the United States. There is something very wrong with our Leaders.
@Carryingconcealed I will never defend your right to piss on the dead enemy. You are right about that. You better get right with civilized society again or you are in for a world of disappointment.
Unless you've been there, and I have, you're NO RIGHT to make comments about what happens in combat. Until you do, you're just a Monday-morning armchair quarterback.
"Did they not sign themselves up to die and render away all the rights they had?!" Serisously?!?! That's what you think of our Military??? You sir, are traitorous...
As the great General George S. Patton once said, "The object of war is not to die for your country... the object of was is to let the other (SOB) die for HIS country"
Our men and women have enough to deal with over there without idiots complaining about pissing on a dead body that, until recently, was trying to kill you. You DO understand that, right?? Those bodies weren't just lying there in the sun for no reason... they were trying to KILL OUR TROOPS.
You may not back why we're there... you may not back the fool that's keeping us there now, nor may you realize why our President had us go there in the first place... none of that matters.
What matters is you support those Americans in harms way right now... you don't get them for pissing on murderers and terrorists. You don't worry that they're flying flags that my offend our enemey... you don't sit back in your lounge chair or on your PC at your cushy home and complain.
No punishment necessary. These Marines are Heros. They deserve a Parade, Piss on the afghans, they deserve it. We in the United States have Idiots in charge. Not one our leaders were ever in the service and would run to Canada to avoid a Draft. Anyone who prosecutes these Marines should be pissed on.
How many pigs are in your profession?
To paraphrase George Patton, they signed up to make someone else die for their country. And they didn't give away all their rights. They just traded the Constitution for the UCMJ.
On the slight chance that this is a real question, and not just a rant, I suspect if you polled the entire US military, the number of people who would give "fighting for corporate interests" as their reason for enlisting would be infinitessimal, if not nonexistent. It certainly wasn't mine.
I expect no sympathy from you. What do you think would happen if everyone subscribed to your theory?
Prove it ..... say something funny.
Anybody recall the mutilated corpses hanging from the bridge in Iraq? These are people who would shoot a little girl on a school bus. They've earned that disdain.
pi$$ first, ask questions later
Regardless of their reasons for enlisting, they are doing just that. They gave themselves as pawns for the govt to use every which way they deem right. I don't feel bad for them. MOst military people go into the military because they are confused about what to do with their lives at least that is what i have experienced. YOu would be right in saying that many don't believe they are signing up to fight for corporate interests. Who would consciously sign up to die so that we could secure better oil trade and uranium etc? I have found most military personnel to be extremely dense... a little research would surely open your eyes to see what this war is about. But to reiterate, most military personnel are dense and blindly believe propaganda spewed at them. O well.. Population control i guess? Darwin? If anything i should be mad that you give them bodies to use for their bidding! In any event, if a draft were instated it would be CANADA for me so you guys really aren't helping that much. I would however support military for REAL reasons like border protection and DEFENSE. Certainly not the OFFENSE we are seeing to establish better resources. Lastly i certainly the believe the reason our govt hasn't completely sterilized the poor via water and food contaminats is to be absolutely sure they will have generations of drones to fight their needless wars.
I have to agree with just about
everything that Karaoke Jesus states above. In my opinion it's gross
and base but so then is war. American soldiers should hold themselves
to a higher standard than the enemy, but in no way does this approach
what the Taliban has showed us they are capable of. If, in the end,
this is how those soldiers dealt with their stress, than that is
certainly better then them coming home and blowing their brains out.
But just what is this obsession that the youth of the world today has
with filming and posting everything....It just makes them look
stupid, and then becomes poster material for the barbarians.
I'm proud of the U.S. and my husband served all through the best years of his youth and was highly decorated as a young pilot. The stupidity of filming and publishing something like this takes away from our convictions and standing through the world. These soldiers are urinating on the U.S. rather than on the enemy's death.
A popular saying is you can take a person from the ghetto but you can't take the ghetto from that person, and that applies to racism, bigotry, respect and everything else in this world. If instead of behaving like a civilized Army, we just follow the "principles" of terrorist or "freedom fighters" we can't expect any higher standing through the world. Remember, an enemy is a person and always the "bad guy" (for the opposite side).
The Uniform Code of Military Justice (UCMJ) has a purpose. You violate the code, you pay the penalty. With discipline comes military effectiveness, pride and purpose. Every person who has served in the Uniform of the US Military knows this, or should have learned this lesson.
This isn't rocket science, it's basic military comportment and discipline 101. Without rules of behavior, our uniformed military could become an undisciplined band of barbarians. Is that what we want our military to be.
Or does drawing lines of right and wrong behavior define our society and differentiate our uniformed military from our enemies? Food for thought.
Marines urinating on dead terrorists seems comparable, in a minor way, to the Super Bowl half-time performance by the "temple prostitutes", the latter pure debauchery.
Don't expect men of war to behave like civilized men. The act of war is an act that tears down the human soul.
The problem we have is that we're to worried about looking good so we can have a "higher standing through the world"... when was the last time Iraq, Iran, Syria, or any country in Africa wored about their "higher standing through the world" or how the US see them??? We give our money, our blood, and our time to these failed countrries and WE'RE worried about how WE look to them??
I doubt I'd feel anything but shame if my wife spouted things like that... I served eight years in the Army and I served in the Gulf War, I've seen how people are treated in that part of the world... I know the only thing those people understand is power. Those who have power use it... those willing to use it are the rulers.
Please, before you post things, try to understand the real world...
To ashp:
How dare you speak of our Military men and women like that! You should be ashamed of yourself... you've no idea why men and women join, you have only your own fear, cowardess, and hate to go by. I, for one, served proudly, and joined becasue it was my DUTY as a free citizen of the United States. You've no idea why people join, yet you post lies as if you know...
To all... help me collaps him...
The Good,The Proud & The pissiest, is not the motto of the Marines.
This shows no class as well as being disrespectful to an entire religion, terrorist or not. Ask yourselves does this kind of behaviour or other stupid acts give us any creditability in the region? We have a tough enough time over there...This makes it harder for the hard working men & women to do their jobs over there and return home safely.
I served 20 years with the Marines, numerous front line combat tours. This is NOTHING compared to what you see happening to dead bodies of the enemy on EITHER side. Urinating on the dead, is like giving them a full honors burial, compared to what else happens. These young kids were IGNORANT to share this on youtube. Even though it is WRONG, the civilians have FAR too much POWER over the troops, and I dont know of ANY troops who would NOT understand, that when you take pictures and videotape, your looking for BIG trouble.!!!
HEY steve 356 . shut your pie hole ya libby , ya horse less cowboy . i fully believe if i seen ya i would knock your hat off . and slap ya misses on the back side and you would do nothing about it . sissy man
and yet, judging form your moniker I'd say you believe that it's your birthright to carry a firearm.
from the Marine Corps Values:
Honor: Honor requires each Marine to exemplify the ultimate standard in ethical and moral conduct. Honor is many things; honor requires many things. A U.S. Marine must never lie, never cheat, never steal, but that is not enough. Much more is required. Each Marine must cling to an uncompromising code of personal integrity, accountable for his actions and holding others accountable for theirs. And, above all, honor mandates that a Marine never sully the reputation of his Corps.
before you get all self-righteous you might want to consider that these marines are in trouble because their actions fall under the scope of sullying the reputation of the Corps, not because of some liberal conspiracy.
Most of those who are turning these young soldiers in to villains have not a clue what it's like to actually FIGHT for your freedoms......
Political correctness is for the weak and cowardly, which is why it's called what it is. Our politicians are weak and cowardly.
I served proudly, I would serve again. Not because I was confused about what to do with my future, but because I wanted a future.....That's what these soldiers do, ensure we have a future.
So you piss ants who claim they should be punished, get off your safe couch, leave your safe home and do something for this country like these men and women do everyday. Then you have the right to criticize. Until then, shut your mouth.........
the First Amendment gives them the right to criticize. whether you agree with it or not.
I don't happen to think the Marines involved are villains, but would like to think that they have more discipline than they exhibited. Plus, putting it on video was just plain stupid.
The lesson: DON"T FILM IT.
1st Ammendment? Really? That right should be regulated.....
Like the right to bear arms? Isn't that supposed to be a right as well? It's regulated because there are some individuals who should not carry a firearm, just like there are individuals who should not have freedom of speech. The fewer idiots speaking= Getting @!$%# done!
the First Amendment is regulated--you're not allowed to yell "fire" in a movie theater, or "bomb' on an airplane. so you advocate desecrating the bodies of the enemy--I suppose you're in favor of raping their women as well? burning their houses and killing their livestock? where do you draw the line once you've made the decision to abandon your humanity?
during WW1 General Pershing was in the Philipines. There were Islamic terrorist attacks. Long story short, Some were caught, shot with bullets dipped in pigs blood..then buried with the dead pigs. No more Islamic attacks for the next 50yrs in the philipines. END OF STORY. ps..they don't like pork
I'm sorry, but you are talking apples and oranges sir. Comparing pissing on some American hating terrorists and raping of their women is a little extreme on your part. I don't feel like this should be a stain on these soldiers' military careers, and because I feel this way, I'm now accused of abandoning my humanity?
That high horse that you are sitting on needs swift leg sweep....
Geez Shane ol boy..lighten up. Who's on the high horse now? You the pot or the kettle?? And I dont care for people who are cruel to horses
Next time don't piss on them, blow them up with a drone, is more human and less offensive to their religion.
it's not an accusation, Shane, and it was the general, plural "you: rather than the singular, personal "you". I'm sorry if you got the impression I was accusing you of anything.
this has nothing to do with being on a a "high horse", and you'll note that I did not wish any harm to you, which is a courtesy that you did not extend to me.
My point is, what makes one behavior acceptable and not the other? If we defend one thing (desecrating the dead) based on how ugly war is, then how can we say that anything else is bad? it's not apples and oranges. If we allow any bad behavior based upon the fact that the other side does it, that means we can do whatever they do. do you really want to open that can of worms?
Justsayin....
I'm now a pot calling the kettle black because I have to defend my so-called lack of humanity? My humanity is called in to question because I don't give two @!$%#ts about some dead terrorists getting pissed on?
I would never wish harm on someone while posting comments, I'm in no way an internet bully. I apologize if you misconstrued my attempt at the metaphorical high horse.
I do not condone any cruelty toward animals.....
War is hell.
But what the hell charge the ones who are taking bullets and mortar rounds when you all are safe behind your computers! PS you should look these guys in the eyes, say thank you for doing soul ripping tasks that you have no comprehension how it feels.
@ bulldozer. Give it a rest. Any rape is wrong. This incident was wrong as well, but their are levels. What if they pissed on these guys off a building and they were alive? I personally don't care about the burial rights of an aggressive people. They declared war on us remember. They don't deserve respect.
@Joe..amen to that... they hung our soldiers from a bridge after they burned and dragged their dead bodies thru the streets for all to see.
branxoz - You wrote ".....the civilians have FAR too much POWER over the troops". That's much better than to have the troops have power over civilians as is the case with most dictatorships.
karaoke jesus - You wrote "This isn't a contest to see who can do the worst vile acts to the other sides dead bodies." Well said.
did they, now? how do you figure? we invaded them, remember? we were looking to remove the Taliban and establish democracy, and "punish" them because there were terrorists using their country as a base. to them, we are the invaders.
yes, they did. they also make a game of ripping goats limb from limb and killing their females for wanting to be educated. should we match them barbaric act for barbaric act?
it does not diminish the sacrifice our brave servicemen and women are making to hold them to a higher standard than a bunch of barbarians who still dwell in the 13th century
They should all be given medals and promotions.
They didn't hide in a mosque and fire upon people.
They didn't hide among women and children and fire upon people.
All they did is piss on a couple of human toilets.
No crime there.
sittingonafence
These moron marines obviously represent people like you the way you want to be represented. I think it is disgusting and ignorant, and anyone who condones this despicable behavior is as much a moron as the pissers.
When I was a sailor serving in France in the 60's a couple of my moron shipmates desecrated the French flag while on liberty. They were on their way back to the States for "less than honorable" discharge within two days. This incident was worse and the punishment should also be worse.
I can tell from the content of your posts that you have vast experience with warriors and what motivates them.
Perhaps in your vast and varied interactions with military personnel you have mistaken their desire to waste as little time as possible on ignorance for denseness.
I am not surprised. I am a Vietnam veteran, but to this day I have a great deal of respect for those who stood up, said "This war is unjust, and I will not participate," and suffered the consequences of their beliefs. You, on the other hand, sound like the draft dodgers whose personal beliefs extended no further than their own safety and comfort. It is not surprising that, to this day, they must justify their lack of character by claiming that because war is evil, those who fight must also be evil.
Alcoa called. Your hat is ready.
Bulldozer..really? REALLY??? A game? A School caught fire and was full of young girls and when they tried to get out...they were all stoned back into the school because no escorts and haedscarves..they all died. A Game?? Freekin turn the whole area into one big sheet of glass. END OF STORY.. sorry bull..got alittle excited there
denver...Alcoa???? clever and funny!
"Shut our mouths"? Why did you serve our country if you do not respect freedom of speech and freedom of expression? And if your were paying attention, you would have noticed that many of the criticisms posted on these discussion threads are coming from veterans, Marines and active service members of our armed forces.
What does urinating on the bodies of dead combatants have to do with honorably "fighting for our freedoms" and "ensuring we have a future"? Do you honestly equate these actions?
It would appear you served under false pretenses, if you believe that urinating on war dead is what America is about. That's too bad for you, really. The US Military can do it's best to teach and inspire "honor" and "duty", ....but in the end it all comes down to the personal character of the individual.
some sanity please said: "I will never defend your right to piss on the dead enemy. You are right about that. You better get right with civilized society again or you are in for a world of disappointment."
No one needed you to declare your cowardice, home-boy, we already knew you wouldn't lift a finger to defend anything.
You're a liberal and like the majority of them, you contribute very little of value to society, yet you believe you are owed everything.
You're a taker...
Carryingconcealed
You are a complete buffoon and a blowhard. There is nothing .... NOTHING cowardly about standing up for civilized behavior. some sanity please is completely correct and you are completely wrong.
What is heroic about desecrating dead bodies? Is that what makes you feel like a proud American? Your idea of valorous behavior is far different from mine. People like you are what caused the expression "ugly American" to become commonplace. You are an embarrassment to our country.
You are also awfully ignorant if you believe that anything some sanity please said makes him or her a taker. You are irrational.
@ don:
consider the source. it's so easy to call somebody a coward from behind a keyboard. it's the self-righteous swagger of the small-minded and willfully ignorant.
I come from a family full of veterans (every conflict since WWI) and have seen first hand how combat can change people, yet none of my kin find desecrating a corps to be an acceptable way to prove anything.
Not one advocating this action on this boar is a Marine. Were they, they would remember this.
don said: "some sanity please is completely correct and you are completely wrong"
Well sh!t, don, if you say so then I guess it's settled, huh? ...or not!
First, nothing in my post gave any indication that I approve of pissing on dead people. And I certainly didn't imply that there was anything heroic about it With that said, however, I have more important things to worry about than a few Marines pissing on some dead terrorists. Apparently you liberals do not.
And it's not what some sanity please said that makes him a taker, it's his affiliation with the parasitic party of liberals that does. Understand now, buffoon?
Bulldozer: I promise you if we were face-to-face and I was inclined to call you a coward, I'd call you you a coward. This keyboard has nothing to do with it, tough guy. And as for your family of veterans, you probably have no idea what any of them did if they were actually in combat. I spent over a decade in the Corps and fought in the first Gulf war, and one thing I know for certain is that the majority of "selective" stories military people tell are generally half-truths and exaggerations, replete with all of the appropriate omissions.
And I'm also guessing that you yourself never served a day in the military, yet you still feel qualified to voice your "expert" opinion, huh?
Karaoke Jesus said: "And, above all, honor mandates that a Marine never sully the reputation of his Corps."
Not that I dispute the spirit of what you're trying to say, but if a platoon of Marines had been standing there watching those guys piss on the terrorists, they wouldn't have given the sullying of their Corps a second thought. Combat's tough, it wears on guys, it makes you angry, and sometimes sh!t happens.
To try and measure combat vets with a zero defect mentality is both ignorant and hypocritical. Hell, the liberals on newsvine can't even conduct themselves with class when something pisses them off or someone disagrees with them, yet they want to judge these Marines?
Pathetic...
It was a waste of perfectly good urine.
I agree.
Nah, no- not really a total waste, guys. There's an upside - it probably made the dead Taliban cretins smell better.
I have no issues with them pissing on people that were trying to kill them. I do have an issue with the idiot who thought it was a good idea to video it and put it on youtube. Moron just cost him and his buddies their futures.
HOTTICKET-2304234: Shame on you. They were someone's son and husband and friend. Treat all people; the way you wish to be treated.
No Monkey, they're not "someone's son and husband and friend"... they are combatants that do not follow the rule of war, do not follow the Geneiva Convention, that do not follow basic human rights. They give no quarter and are given none in the same.
How dare you side wth our enemy... that, sir, is called treason.
last time I checked, it wasn't treason to express an opinion, nor is wanting to treat all people with respect.
are you as concerned with treason when the people on these very forums wish death upon the POTUS?
Bull....I'm sure you felt the same way when they talked smack about pres Bush
I completely agree, waste of good urine. These marine were over there to kill these people. How can you pay them to shoot these guys in the face or explode their body parts into bloody chunks of meat, and then prosecute them when they decide to urinate on them. I don't believe that you should go around urinating on people, alive or dead. But come one, tell these guys they can't be doing stuff like that, and let it go. Anyone who wants to penalize these soldiers for this should strap on some armor, pick up a rifle, and get to it, or get the hell out of the country these guys die protecting.
They should be happy that they didn't have to go number 2 at the time...
Your missing the point if we are there to help liberate the country urinating on dead bodies is not going to help the cause. Regardless of how they died the bodies should have been treated with more respect. It just makes the marines look like a bunch of uneducated bigots.
We're not there to win the hearts and monds of the terrorists hakstarr....And most of the people of Afghanistan have no love for them either...
And no terrorists shouldn't have been treated with more respect....Ask them how they'd respect someone before they behead them...Ask the families of those who were tortured and beheaded by them....
And your post just makes you look like a terrorist loving jackass...
You mean like the respect they show our citizens with torture, beheadings, disposing of bodies in sewers ect..? Unless you have been there to serve with the US Military you really have no right to make judgement of what they are going through and what some have been through.
thanks for the uneducated comment. We are there to win the hearts and mines of the people otherwise being there makes no sense. The whole point is to drive out the Taliban not make the locals hate us. Use some common sense if your telling me every single person in Afghanistan is a terrorist? And your calling me the jackass. Please grow up
I can make any judgement i want. They are violating the code of conduct on the battlefield a code they agreed to its not freaken rocket science. Even there fellow peers are not ok with it get a grip people.
And I guess you know what their code of conduct is from the many years of service you have put in with the Marines. You have no idea what these soldiers are going through and what many have been through except what you see from the protection and comfort of your living room. They acted out something that you may not agree with but for what they are going through they are entitled.
Harstarr; when they cut the throats of US soldiers and Journalist on TV, burn their bodies while filming it and then hang the bodies from a bridge, DO YOU CALL THAT RESPECT by the Muslim terrorist and CIVILIAN population???? After seeing that, do you really expect me to treat the enemy with respect??? Win their hearts and minds? How do you do that when those 12 century fools have no mind left from using most of the drugs they grow?
And don't forget about the charred remains of our soldiers that they hanged from their heels on a bridge for everyone to dis-respect which was done before this happened.
this behavior is not right, the govt has you idiots brainwashed, how many people on our soil have died from terroists attacks last year? lets put it this way, more people died from squirrel bites than terroists attacks here in the u.s. those people just want to live a life, worship a god and raise a family but they have to deal with our govt. and military. i have no respect for our country or military. totally ashamed.
For The Gander
No one said there job is easy but people in the military sign up for it no one makes them enlist its a job yes its a dangerous job but its still a job with rules. They have to follow the rules I have plenty of friends and in the military and your saying its ok for them to break the rules there are plenty of marines who go through the same thing and are following the rules I have friends that are marines and that have been deployed and are embarrassed by this. They are obviously not entitled otherwise this would not even make the news and no one would be getting into trouble.
Liberate Afghanistan? Are you kidding me? This country will always be a train wreck! It was before we arrived and it will continue to be long after we leave! The Taliban will make sure of that! Don't kid yourself!
I do know what our code of conduct is. I know our core values start with the word Honor, and these Marines forgot that. I do have an idea what these Marines are going through, I've been there. (And please, stop calling them soldiers, we're not affiliated with the Army.) Better step your knowledge game up before calling everybody else out.
Hakstar. You think it is so awful that our Marines piss on people that are trying to kill them. Maybe, you should go over there an straighten them out. Oh, I forgot, you are to young, or, you are to old, or you are to chiken sh-t. STFU.
HEY Karoke Jesus,your a morron, how did these Marines break the code of honor,the word" honor," is amung themselves,not the enemy.The only thing these Marines did wrong was to get put on video cam,and have guffs like you give false statements.
Hakstar,How can we liberate Afghanistan and win hearts and minds of the people by pulling out?.Once we leave the Taliban will be back.Some countries are actually negotiating peace with the Taliban and offer shared government power.Really?We would win more hearts and minds if the population knew we were behind them 100% to the bitter end if needed.Anything less is just money and politics as usual.
The respect??? Are you kidding me? There is no reason in this universe to respect them in any way shape or form. We have apologists step behind the camera everytime something happens crying,"We are sorry for hurting your feelings or heritage or religion or whatever" These pieces of trash brought the fight to our front door. Have all of you forgotten the feeling of watching those towers collapse 12 and a half years ago? Al Qaida trained them to fulfill their idea of perfection by killing everyone who does not belive as they do. So, all of the armchair soldiers with the holier than though perception, STFU! Enlist and go into the warzone. Spend everyday you are there wondering if the people your government tells you to trust are going to put a bullet in your head any minute. We enlisted to serve our country, not big corporations, or to kiss the worlds backside, to defend this country against the very people we are fighting. To keep them away from our soil. Personally, all of you who do not have the balls to go into the service, but a set to sit here and chastise those you do not know should be on hands and knees supporting the troops coming home. You should serve them as they have this country. By the way, if the liberal media would do some research they would probably find that these very dead a holes probably killed several of these guys best friends in the process of this firefight. You do not know what stresses are on these men, so just shut up. Was it right? Maybe not. I would have buried them up to their necks alive and let the ants and camel spiders have at them. They deserve nothing from us except for large caliber bullets.
Ronnie and his gang beat the Russians
old school. Just built more guns than the Russians could,and they
went broke trying to keep up. Last words heard from the Russian
generals before they went under...”Don't mess with Afghanistan”
First thing the next generation Republicans did...messed with
Afghanistan........As an old book once stated, “Pride comes before
the fall.”
Karaoke and Hakstar have no idea how to keep freedom and fight a war... "hearts and minds" is a failed attempt with a people that 1.) NEED to be subjegated and 2.) are mindless drones that do whatever they're told to do (1 and 2 go hand in hand with these people). What these Marines did may be in bad taste to the liberal left, but to real Americans, we know you have to fight fire with fire. If the tally -band know anything, they know that if they bloodie the nose of the US, we'll back off.. look at Somolia and Iraq... both failed US policy, but failed because the liberal left cried when soldiers died (and many times becasue they were keeping to the Rules of Engagement). We weren't allowed to win in Viet Nam, and now, we're being led to lose Afghanistan the same way...
You don't keep your lands free with talk, you keep your lands free with might. Harsh truth... but truth, none the less...
This is what monkeys do and several other species of animals, including ours I see. And here I was thinking that maybe we are evolving upward.
It strikes me as crazy that we can KILL someone but anything else is unethical . . . We've got our priorities ALL wrong. If we can be led to be upset by this behavior while swallowing MURDER of fellow citizens of our human race, um . . . I see our species isn't getting any more smart or intelligent.
Troll away. I have no idea?
And I do have respect for Islam, that's why when I piss I piss in the direction facing Mecca.
Well definitely not good for public relations and why film the deed,they just had to bring that footage back to States Idiots!!!!!!!!!
That I do agree with....
This was my son's former company, and he will tell you 'if you gotta go, you gotta go'...
Boo-yah
Islam is a cult, radical or not, not a religion. They all believe the same things - though some do not actually act on it. How can a religion condone murder, no matter who the victim is? How many more hundreds of innocent people will die because of their insane ideals? We have to fight them with extreme prejudice.
War is a nasty freaking business. You kill people who are trying to sneak around killing you and you get pretty mean and angry doing the job. You watch your friends die and get blown up, you have to follow thousands of crazy "special" rules just for this war so as not to offend anyone. Its crazy. These guys can't be expected to go off surviving, under all that stress, where their primary job is killing to stay alive, and then be expected to run nursery schools the rest of the time. Give them a little extra duty, slap their wrists, whatever, but don't make a show out of this. The people they are wiping out over there are suicide bombers and people who use innocent civilians and children as shields. And they were freaking dead terrorists anyhow, not even trained enemy soldiers.
Hey don't invade other countries and you wont have to go through all this.
It's very simple, really !
Not simple, really. Although this 'war', since we don't have an objective, don't want to win anything, and don't want to support whatever the mission is, after Obama made all that clear last month, we should have packed everyone up that day and brought them home. Our people being over there at this point is a farce and tragedy each day.
Supporting ALL of our troops, God Bless America and bring our men and women home now!!!
~~~piss before you board...lol
Well they say the road to Mecca is paved in gold, so naturally the soldiers misunderstood and thought it was golden showers and....well....the rest is history.
I hope after the trial the General reviewing the court's decision gives the Marine a medal and an honorable discharge so they can't be bothered again by IDIOTS!!!!!
Wrong answers - these are US Marines and are held to a higher standard. The Captain and NCO's should be reprimanded and all should be retrained on ethical codes of conduct. I was an Army officer and codes of conduct on an off the battlefield are taught. No one doubts the service of these men, but honor was missing here.
Another arm-chair soldier. Unless you have served in this particular operation you really have no right to judge these soldiers. They are going through hell and while they may make a mistake here or there they have a right to do so and not be judged by someone who has not served over there.
I agree Mav. Honor is the mainstay of our code, and these Marines were lacking it. Our honor is the only thing that separates us from them.
You've no idea what a Marine is, do you??
They're America's shock troops... they're there, not to win the "hearts and minds" but to insall fear in our enemies...
Stop trying to put your ideal of ethics on a group that isn't designed to give thier enemy quarter. What they did I have no issue with... posting in on uTube, well, that as stupid. Anyone who reads a newpaper knows some idiot liberal will cry for a dead terrorist and try to hang an Ameircan.
U.S. forces enter a society where this kind of desecration is commonplace against their own, yet have to put up with the parochial nanny-tending base of American society condemning such retorts on their own part.
Oh I get it, that group of prehistoric savages pisses on their enemies so it only makes sense that we also behave like prehistoric savages as well. Basically that's what you're saying and it doesn't give your argument much credit.
Might not give "credit' but does speak the truth... but that could be the issue. Liberals can't understand the truth about the world. To them, it's all unicorns and daisies, skipping through the meadow holding hands and singing "Kumbya"...
Who said anything about liberals?
Wouldn't Americans piss on the dead bodies of the terrorists that ran into the world trade centers if they had the chance? Oh yea we already forgot about what terrorists do and what they stand for. To the Marines- piss on and desecrate the body of everyone of those terrorist scum and kill as many as you can before you get pulled out in 2014. A message to anyone in the world that ever wants to harm America again.
Vomit!! You sir are a terrible human being. There is no argument about; you're terrible.
Good call Mike.
If you disagree with Mike, then you must be either muslim or an enemy sympathizer.
Ok, I'm convinced now, you're a troll. I won't bite.
My only hope is that - when my fellow Marines urinated on these dead bodies - they were visualizing them as the chickenhawk politicians whose decisions were sending them on endless (and hopeless, as possibly perceived) tours-of-duty to tribal, corrupt, warring Afghanistan.
Hey, it's not like the dead guys are going to complain about it!
So slap their wrists and get back to duty. Forward>
ChestyPuller, you're a piece of sh*t and I hope karma pays on you what you wish on others.
S T F U and sit down you imbecile.
Understand these soldiers acted emotionally however they acted wrong also.By dropping bombs on unarmed people from 2 miles up does not not give Americans any more moral high ground than a Taliban beheading someone.
How do we assimilate filth like these men back into the society?
By hugging them and thanking them for doing a job that people like you don't have the balls to do.
They are dead you can't assimilate them back, just throw em in a hole and cover it up.
Oh shut up. Your Daddy probably did worse as a kid.
hadenuff, people like you too?
I suppose ear necklaces are out these days as well, eh.
I guess, they don't last too long especially if your cat finds them.
@Niki-
Nah. Only cats I saw in Vietnam were in the fried rice. Always knew because the meat was pink. Dog was darker. Rats were bigger than the cats. We'd just pee on the ones we captured.
I have no problem with this what so ever. It's a damn shame they were already dead before they received their USMC issued golden shower. The only thing better would be to send each carcass back from whence it came with a complimentary MRE laden brown derby to go with their new cologne.
I can foresee a whole new use for four female recruits in the future in the mass media propaganda game. Stay tuned, It'll happen. What USMC platoon could possibly resist ?
With multiple deployments under my belt I feel confident in saying....who freaking cares what happens to the bodies of the enemy other than the enemy? Our politicians and media should use this to inform our enemies that we (US Military) do not care about your feelings. Your feelings went out the window when planes started crashing into buildings. If you don't like it don't try and engage us on the battle field. It's war!!! Bad things happen in war.
They should cut their beards and shove a pork cop in their mouth. This enemy deserves a lot worse than being peed on.
I'm amazed at the lack of humanity displayed in these comments. I'd ask all of these people posting vile garbage whether or not the behaviour of these soldiers was noble or truly good actions. If not why excuse it and justify it. If it's wrong (and I assure you it is) there is no amount of placation that disguises it. There is no grey area here what these soldiers did was wrong, flat out.
Hey, Sesame Street is 3 blocks down on your left. Pu$$ies like you have obviously never served in a combat zone, therefore you do not have the right to say jack.
OOH oh that smell, can you smell that smell. They needed a shower before meeting their 72 virgins.
I most certainly have not served in combat because, unlike you, I don't venerate it above all other career paths. I happen to believe there are nobler things one can do with their life. And just because I haven't been 'in the @!$%#' and I don't understand the many adverse effects doesn't make what these two did right.
Just move along there libby. Go munch on some granola and jump in your Prius and get back to your job a Starbucks.
Thankfully percentage wise not that many Americans serve in combat. Otherwise society would be facing a very real problem with sadism in our institutions. Some of these soldiers, hearts forever hardened by war will become Americas policemen, teachers, preachers, politicians. Only now are the societal ills of Vietnam winding down.
Man are you clueless! Another Progressive that thinks actual Combat is just the same as a computer game! It's little wonder we can't end a fight with a victory! Self-righteous, inexperienced dunderheads making combat decisions! Certainly don't want to disturb their delicate sensabilities! A couple of IUD's and a few rounds from an AK might do them wonders, after they change their soiled pants that is!