"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion:
the stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases,
while the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage
of the darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force."
- Ayn Rand

For the amount of money those things cost to operate, price of lease or purchase & the insurance; they are probably not worth the money with only 15 minutes maximum flying time. A helicopter in the air seems much more valuable and worth the expense when actually tracking a criminal or pursuing a speeder.

Just my opinion, but I believe the city of Seattle made a wise choice. The tech does make nice toys, but the Seattle law enforcement have enough duties, I am sure.

Think you are confusing these with military drones. These are acually quite cheap to buy and operate. These are only equipped to carry a camera.

However still shouldn't be used for spying on us, the government does that enough already.

Oh yes because it's much nicer to have a police chopper circling your neighborhood for 20 mins 100 feet off the ground, in the middle of the night, rattling the @!$%# out of every piece of glass in the house. But no one complains about them with the same cameras but with the added bonus of a 30,000 watt spotlight. So realistically if we added a noisemaker to a drone to make it just as loud and annoying as a helicopter, no one would have a problem, right?

One city down... Now, the rest of America.

The funniest thing, if Bush would have authorized this drone crap, all the libs would be CRYING and complaining it violates their rights, but if Obama does it, it's terrorist hunting. Please, I didn't agree with Bush's patriot act (where he lost a good deal of supporters) and I sure as hell don't agree with Obama taking it ten steps further.

Well of course anything Obama does, even if its just carrying out the same policies as Bush, is OK cause bush started it.

War... Bush started it.

Bailouts to the rich... Bush started it.

Patriot act... Bush Started it.

See... makes it all better since Bush started it.

@astounding, Actually read about this a couple of days ago, but there was a US citizen killed on 11/03/2002 during G.W.Bush era in Yemen by our first drone attack there, his name was Kemal Derwish aka Ahmed Hijazi! I didn't remember this but this site that will give you some info on it: wsws.org/en/articles/2002/11/yem-n12.html , This is what Obama will probably claim as his legal precedence! I think that was illegal then also! He needs to read the Constitution again, especially the 5th Amendment as this pertains to the issue at hand, in short: "nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law" just FYI

@adhal - So obama taking it further makes it better?

@garbageman - I don't agree with it, period. I don't care who implemented it, the whole "he started it" crap sounds like a elementary school ground argument.

I can't believe that people would be concerned about privacy issues! I would think that all would deeply enjoy the intrusion of "Big Brother"![Is there a word for extreme sarcasm?]

@astounding, You made the comment about Bush, and I was giving you some info to give you the knowledge, to make a correct one. If you read my entire post, you will see that I also do not care who started it and think both were illegal!

@Joe, Here is your ticket for jay walking,spitting on the sidewalk, speeding,etc., everyday occurences that most people have done in their lives and can be captured on film like redlight cameras, and speed "trap" cameras. They tend to be abused and another way at collecting revenue, and sometimes create different problems, like rearend collisions as people jam on the brakes at the camera locations because they are in fear of getting a ticket! I guess that it is okay to live in a world where we all must kowtow to rigidity, and hope that our inadvertant breaking of a law doesn't land us in trouble with the law! I see that it worked well during the Third Reich!

I would have to see them pack it up, and personally escort it back to the vendor myself, before I would believe they sent it back.

Tiny little thing like that, silent and stealthy? Already spent $80,000 on it? Think a swat team will give up a toy like that?

What the public doesn't know....

Of course, I'm a conspiracy theorist.

Joe,,,,Your statement is logical and sound except...like every other Right the Police fail to enforce what makes you think they will play by the rules? Per the Supreme Court, The Police are not obligated to protect you, the citizen, they are there to enforce the Law and protect PUBLIC property and Elected Officials...If you look at the famed OJ case, not one bit of evidenced submitted or presented in Court was backed up with ANY tangible absolute proof...But he was found guilty by "association"..Look at the current Martin Case in Florida again no proof,,,but the Government prevails in both cases....So your idealic view of what the government can and cannot do has no bearing on this Drone issue...Homeland Security has a "Blanket" Search Warrant, and your Reps in Congress voted whole heartily for it in the last National Defense Authorization Bill and Obama signed that bill quicker than he could spend another Billion tax dollars....

If I happen to "accidentally" shoot one down, I wonder if they'll charge me with killing a cop, even though they are unmanned?

........................"with liberty and electronic surveillance for all"

trust2112

If I happen to "accidentally" shoot one down, I wonder if they'll charge me with killing a cop, even though they are unmanned?

Why do you think this administration is making such a push to take away all rifles? Rifles can send a bullet over a mile... gestapo starts putting drones in the air, people are going to start taking them down. How do you keep the public from taking down the drones?

You take away the rifles.

Of course... I'm a conspiracy theorist.

trust, im sure those drones will have more rights and protections than us.prob 20 years in jail and a million dollar fine.only drones want drones.

You could claim you thought it was a large bird coming to attack your dog.

Privacy? You worried about privacy? Seattle is quickly becoming the San Francisco. No one there knows anything but how to complain. Get off facebook and quit roaming the streets naked if you want privacy. What is a helicopter going to see that you haven't exposed already on you tube, facebook, nude bike ride, etc... you people are such whiners. Anything you pansies don't cry about?

This is what Obama will probably claim as his legal precedence! I think that was illegal then also! He needs to read the Constitution again, especially the 5th Amendment

It's not Obama's job to interpret the Constitution. And your "thinking it's illegal" doesn't matter at all. The only people who matter in a Constitutional debate are the Supreme Court justices. They have the only say in deciding what the Constitution says is legal or not. If you have a prob with targeted killings of terrorists, and you have standing to file suit, then do it. Run it up to the SC and let's hear what they say. Until then, what he does and the orders he gives, are all perfectly legal. You'd think that with all the rabid Tea Party mutts in the House that if there was something they could hang Obama for, they'd be all over it in a heartbeat. But alas, for all their bellyaching and fiery rhetoric, he hasn't crossed any red lines.

If they used these like they say they would,it wouldn't be a problem but!!!! They don't,they abuse it. Now lets talk about why seattle bought drones that only fly for 15 mins before needing recharged. Not going to get a lot done in that 15 mins. 1st,you need to take off and depending on what they are looking for,it might be a distance away. 2nd,flying time is taken up getting to where you want to look. 3rd,the drone has to make it back. So really what are we talking about,maybe at the most 5-10 min searching time?And I bet these things cost at least $30k each.

@Blueknight

Yup, $14-30k a piece. Not to mention they are line of sight, meaning you gotta follow the thing or it just sits there until you get close again. Absolutely not worth the money.

How about our militia's constitutional right to shoot those damned things down? It could be like skeet shooting. Sounds fun to me!

People...take a deep breath. I'm a RWNJ and proud of it! These drones are fantastic IF purposed appropriately, which is not difficult. They don't have the staying power to be of major concern in the arenas most are worried about and they have far too many good purposes to throw them out because of the bad. I've worked with them and seen their capabilities and I gotta tell ya...they're pretty awesome. For 1st responders, what a great tool! For FD folk...to have eyes in the sky around a scene for the IC...fantastic tool that can easily save FF's and citizens lives. For EMS, to be able to search hazardous terrain quickly and search for victims, unparalleled! Even in the non-acute arenas, to be able to map hazardous sites and get accurate real time photos of areas is incredibly valuable.

Do they have POTENTIAL negative sides? Of course they do! Pick ANY thing you consider as a positive and it has an equal negative. My gun toting brethren, can guns be used in a negative light? Silly question. Can medicines be abused? Stupid question. Can this technology be used against us? Yep. But it can definitely help us in a timeframe where we are clambering for ways to do things cheaper and more efficiently. These are no different than drugs or guns...are we better off with them, or without them?

That'll raise some comments!!

cookie-2141706

How about our militia's constitutional right to shoot those damned things down? It could be like skeet shooting. Sounds fun to me!

I'm telling you, cookie, that's why they are trying to take away our rifles.

Hello folks, let's hope the majority of the cities and towns in this country do the same. Put illegal drones in the sky and why shouldn't they be fair "game"?

JoeSlater67

Properly used, surveillance drones would be a good thing and, the only persons who would object would be those with something to hide. I vote in favor of surveillance drones.

Chris from Yucaipa

It's not Obama's job to interpret the Constitution. And your "thinking it's illegal" doesn't matter at all. The only people who matter in a Constitutional debate are the Supreme Court justices. They have the only say in deciding what the Constitution says is legal or not. If you have a prob with targeted killings of terrorists, and you have standing to file suit, then do it. Run it up to the SC and let's hear what they say. Until then, what he does and the orders he gives, are all perfectly legal. You'd think that with all the rabid Tea Party mutts in the House that if there was something they could hang Obama for, they'd be all over it in a heartbeat. But alas, for all their bellyaching and fiery rhetoric, he hasn't crossed any red lines.

With nitwits like these around, it's no wonder government is becoming ever more centralized, intrusive, and authoritarian. It also goes to show that both liberals and neocons favor big government tyranny.

'Slippery slope' is a tired phrase perhaps, but applies here more than most cases. I would venture at first, drone use would be limited, cherry picked heroic cases would be fed to the media and thus force fed to us. The saved child, the interception of would be murders, breaking up child porn rings, .... heck, you name it, they'll find.

Ten or twenty years down the road is a different story; a little more, a little more, litttttle more... and most will finally wake up and say, 'what the hell happened to our rights?' The propensity for missuse, dissuse, and - - yes, most guessed it -- proposition of making big $$ will drive all.

The economy is still poor and weak; military personnel (thank god) are coming home but to very limited opportunities. Military vehicles as well to be in storage, many likely to go the way of waste. These brave men and women are more than adequately trained to patrol neighbo'hoods that even most police fearing going into, and the machinery is here to be used.

No.... it's not a 'license to kill', 'shoot on sight', 'martial law state'.... what it IS is a way to employ, to seriously deter crime, cut down on senseless murders. Drugs, drug gangs, entire areas run by drug lords, murderers and criminals - these could be taken down, dismantled and areas restored to somewhere people can actually live and work; in SAFETY.

And, again... I can't think of any more in need of work nor more qualified for this challenge than our brave men and women returning from overseas. Some may balk at this, and yes there are valid concerns that need to be compromised with; people don't want to have martial law or police state status forced upon them. At the same time, any with an ounce of common sense can see that until this is done, there are areas that are completely unihabitable... unless, of course, one plans on joining the violent gangs there and dying within a short period of time or causing other deaths until caught.

Drones aren't necessary for this, aren't necessary for naught except border patrol. Not something that can be trusted to NOT be used for invasion of privacy, not abused in the future or present.
They open the door to the Pandora's Box of freedom abuse, personal privacy abuse, and what truly could be considered the start of a police state.

As was so eloquently stated by our founders, "the price of liberty is eternal vigilance". There are far too many corrupting influences in our midst pretending to have only the best of intentions but the reality is their desire for power and control.

I would strongly suggest to the people of Seattle (and elsewhere in the country) that they remain vigilant because if history is any guide, they will at some point attempt to reintroduce these drones, albeit in a much more secretive way.

This surveillance amounts to a warrantless search just to see what they can find and should be highly illegal.

Where is the OUTRAGE from Washington residents over Washington State HOLDING A JOBS FAIR IN MEXICO to HIRE thousands of Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) ?

Where is the OUTRAGE from Washington residents over Washington State giving Illegal Aliens (Immigrants) drivers licenses ?

Where is the OUTRAGE from Washington residents over Washington State seeking to EXPAND SECTION 8 HOUSING ?

Where is the OUTRAGE from Washington residents over Washington State expanding MEDICARE ?

Meanwhile in the real World......Washington State is drowning in DEBT, and Mr. Rickio Larsen is gonna expand that.

Oooooh....forgot....Washington State is a Progressive State.

For all of those that are now saying we need to set aside the Constitution because it is out of date, I offer the following:

Amendment IV - The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Translation? It is illegal to conduct a warrant-less search, and it is illegal to issue a warrant to conduct a search without probable cause AND the specifics as to what is to be searched. You just can't go "fishing" and see what turns up and stay within the bounds of the Constitution, which, the last time I looked, was the law of our Republic. Take away that law, and the flag is just a rag, becasue the Republic cannot exist without the law of the Constitution.

The Constitution is a masterfully written document. so much so, that even that after over 200 years, it still protects the citizen from a government that would use a drone to conduct a warrant-less search.

So what are these drones good for? Nothing. Further, any chief of police or mayor that used the citizen's money to buy these things knowingly violatied the Constitution (Article IV). When one considers that chief of police or mayor took an oath to follow and protect the Constitution, that cheif of police or mayor should be fired for cause immediately and then forced to repay the citizens for the cost of the drones.

This is the United States of America. Drones spying on the citizenry have no (LEGAL) place here. And if you can't read and understand the Constitution, then don't take an oath to follow it and then ignore your own oath, out of ignorance or otherwise. I sure hope the president reads this as he is one of the most vile enemies of the Constitution to exist in this country in over two hundred years.

He claims to have been a Constitutional professor, but even that was a lie. He was at best only adjunct faculty, and from his actions, his students in his classes about the Constitution must have received a very bad education as he seems to be totally ignorant of the Constitution which is the subject matter he taught.

Is the president just another of those that took an oath out of ignorance? Or is he one of those that took and oath and then knowingly violated the Constitution which is the document that limits his power of office? Either way, his failings have gone on far too long for Congress to sit by quietly and ignore what he has done and is doing.

Always keep in mind that every member of Congress only takes an oath to do one thing. That one thing is to protect the Constitution from all enemies, foreign and domestic. As for Congress, their failings in this area are simply monumental. We need to Fire Them All too.

With nitwits like these around, it's no wonder government is becoming ever more centralized, intrusive, and authoritarian. It also goes to show that both liberals and neocons favor big government tyranny.

Until you can come up with something better than that to my comment, it's best you just don't flap them lips again. Point out where I was wrong rather than whine like a child because you didn't like the truth.

Another example of a Out Of Control Agency..... Homeland Security also know as the Fatherland Security..... They just love blowing our Tax $$$$$, and taking our Personal Freedoms Away on worthless things.....

And after they take away our Second Amendment Rights they will have total police control of everyone

ALL HAIL BIG BROTHER!

Thank God for all the alarmists out there to keep our country on the righteous track. You know police already have remote controlled camera/ground robots that are used to search dangerous places, look for bombs, even disarm a bomb by remote. So this one can fly for 12 minutes, big deal!

The next time someone's child goes missing or a school shooter is loose in the woods, these same people will be saying, it sure would have been nice to have one of those flying cameras to find them.

If you're not doing anything wrong, why would you worry about a camera seeing you going about your business. The minute you step outside your house you have no expectation of privacy anyway. If one flew past me, I'd just flip it the bird (with a smile) and carry on with whatever I was doing.

I assume the same citizens don't know that the State Police use Aircraft to monitor speeding on the Interstate Hwy. Maybe they should also outlaw the use of stakeouts because a citizen might lose his right to privacy.

I also assume that they don't know that the State can use Satellite pictures to spot illegal construction and/or road building.

Don't these peple have any legimate things to grip about? What possible harm could an unarmed drone present to a citizen? Maybe they should take down the automatic cameras at the interestions also they might show a wife in a different car than her husband.

If a small child gets lost could the State Police us the drone to search the mountain sides?

Get a Life.

How is a flying camera that can only stay in the air 15 minutes going to find anyone in a search and rescue?

Answer: It won't

Now ask yourself: why is it so small? If it were a larger, engine powered drone, it could stay in the air significantly longer. That way it could do its purported job.

Except thats not what Seattle police wanted it for.

A small battery powered drone is good for one thing: spying

Like a man leaves his home with a silenced pistol, and you see him. He tells you he's going hunting deer. Would you believe that too?

ChiefZavala,The public is not as ignorant as you think they are.Americans are well aware of our privacy being invaded daily but there isn't anything that can be done about it unless we have a civil war.I think that UAV's are beneficial for searching for a missing person in areas that are hard to reach by man.Other than that they should not be used by the police nor should those noisy police helicopters.We pay a fortune in taxes for police officers and their vehicles.they need to get out there in the publici eye if they want to prevent more crime.

@ChiefZavala

Nothing funny about it. :-(

just a cleaning lady, you are a prime example of Chief Zavala's comment about how Americans are ignorant. Good job supporting his point. I say let them fly, I have nothing to hide, do you? Privacy is no longer atainable unless you are on a desert island with no cell phone or internet.

Why not let them? Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

At the moment it may not be a big deal, but as they strip more and more of your rights, the less chance you have to resist any corruption.

Just in the last couple years they have taken your right to fair trail away by giving the government the ability to indefinitely detain you with out a warrant, kill you without a trail based on vague definitions, @ take away right to protest peacefully anywhere there is secret service. Soon they will have over 40,000 drones flying above us in the US with the eventual intention of having armed drones flying above us. And this is all information for "legit" national media sites.

Time to wake up and start fighting for your rights before you no longer can.

Husker-

just a cleaning lady, you are a prime example of Chief Zavala's comment about how Americans are ignorant. Good job supporting his point. I say let them fly, I have nothing to hide, do you? Privacy is no longer atainable unless you are on a desert island with no cell phone or internet.

Sure, the government will never use military style drones and arm them, right? Incrementalism. Keep allowing more and more small power grabs as you "have nothing to hide," and before long the military will be patroling the streets. But, it's cool, you have nothing to hide, right?

i asked a guy at work if the gov wanted cameras in his home,what would he think.he said "i have nothing to hide".that is the most dangerous kind of thinking a person could do.fn willing slaves.

Many government agencies and police over step their bounds. The adverage American don't realize how often their rights are violated. My source " The Bill Of Rights"

Yup not this time, but that would be with the public OK. Next time they will just go ahead for your safety.

While I don't think the local police or federal government should be using them for surveillance, I worry more about private companies doing it. The fact is the legislation that passed, (pushed by Republicans), several months back about use of drone in the US, has a provision to allow private companies to use them for just about anything they chose. The government agencies on the other hand are in fact restricted by evidence gathering rules like requiring warrants. Private companies can pretty much do whatever they want.

Bottom line is that it is has been private companies that have been collecting information on you for a long time. Why do cell phone companies need to keep records of where you were with your cell phone? Why do credit card companies need to keep records of every item your purchase? Why do ISPs need to keep a record of every website you visit? Why does your cable or satellite TV provider need to keep a record of everything you watch? Why does every email, text message or any other electronic communication you make, need to be stored forever even after you theoretically delete it from a server? The list goes on and on. Why are these records not destroyed after there practical use is past?

When the government agencies want information, they go to these private companies who maintain the records on you. At least technically, they are required to get a warrant with some exceptions for "emergencies". But the point is, why do private companies keep this data virtually forever? This has been going on for decades and just keeps expanding while the American public just quietly accepts it. So very soon they will be adding drone gathered information to their databases on virtually every US citizen.

People get all fired up about the government keeping track of citizens, and that's OK, I don't disagree that they don't have any legitimate reason for doing so. But why are we so passive about what private companies are doing? The bottom line is that in most cases private companies do this to make money off your information. Some of that is about becoming as efficient as possible at separating your money from you, and part of it is about the whole concept that knowledge is power. Even though many may say that they keep information private, there is almost always some clause about "affiliates". Basically that means they can contract to sell your info to one of their "affiliates". I think most of us have at least some idea of just how interconnected corporate America is. But I think it is bigger than many realize. Often what on the surface appears to be competing companies are actually just legally different entities owned by the very same parent corporation.

Billions have been spent in recent years to build massive data centers. Some of this is indeed government, but most of it is privately owned to store all the data on customers. Every time the next technology comes out, there is another layer of data added to your files. Think about the concept of cloud computing. All this does is add just a bit of convenience while handing over enormous amounts of your information to some private company. Digital memory is cheap, why do you need a cloud to store information? There is an SD card out that holds 128GB. It is not beyond the realm of possibility to have a smart phone with a Terabyte of memory. Why should we be turning over all our data to some private company when we can virtually carry our entire lives with us in a package about the size of a wallet? But that is what is happening today. Are you comfortable that the data you put out in the cloud can't be mined? If so, you are being naive.

I'm not particularly in favor of government using surveillance drone in the US except under extremely limited emergency situations. And maybe a few other uses outside of "law enforcement purposes". I would suggest that absolutely no information obtained this way can in any way be used except if a warrant was obtained first. If general surveilance spots something that leads to further investigation, I think the entire case ought to be thrown out. The rules ought to be weighted to error on the side of privacy. I would also like to see very strict regulations put on private use too. I can see some potential legitimate uses but I can also see plenty of room for abuse. There should be nothing allowed to be specifically linked to an individual unless recieving legal signed consent.

Privacy is too quickly becoming a quaint concept that no longer exists. People can say that if you have nothing to hide, you shouldn't mind. But I think there is just far too much room for abuse.

We have nothing to hide until our government becomes tyrannical. If you think that can't happen here, I ask you to please pick up a history book. Almost all republics have fallen to tyranny at some point. Even the USA has been taken to the brink a couple times. (Era of robber barons and Vietnam era)

Here is some more info. Shouldnt be saying much, but ill let you all find out as itll be shed into the light in the next few years most likely.

Is the USA flying drones already? Yes. Is the USA flying ARMED drones already? Yes. Where? I dont want to say. Just know we are already doing it. Without the public knowing.

Just look up in the sky. Cold areas, look about 15k-20k feet up. Warmer areas, look a bit further up. If you see an awesome looking plane, its a UAV.

Most people who think the civilian style drones can hover and peek at you while you change, thats a myth. That'll never happen. Can see in the dark perfectly? No, they cannot. The weight of the cameras is insane. The ones that would probably be on the smaller ones (cameras) that could fly through cities would probably weight as much as a digital camera/dslr with the same clarity. I would suspect it would only have IR and a few zoom variables.

As for armed drones flying, again, it would be bigger ones that would need to fly at certain altitudes and if they cannot, then dont expect to see them flying. They would be invading airspace of planes from airports.

Maybe the public should do their research on UAVs in general before discrediting them for future use. The use of them would actually help us. Delaying the inevitable is never good.

Let them watch & let them want. They will never see anything worth watching if they are looking at me.. and they will never get my guns ... not all of them.. maybe one or two after they kill me.. if the government does manage to ban guns in Texas, but I do not do anything illegal and I firmly believe in the Constitution and Bill of Rights as written by the founders.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ

Just the fact you posted here, has now brought you under their eye.......

True, but I am sure they are watching everyone, anyway. They have several large facilities across the country, and the largest due to be finished this year. They are quietly sitting in different areas. It is not a big deal. I am not a threat to the United States. I am only a threat to criminals, that is it.

Okay, if they decide to try to take my guns, we may have some argument. I still would not be a threat to the United States. I'm just an old lady with maybe a gun or two and an opinionated big mouth. LoL. But I can not see them taking down the Constitution or the Bill of Rights. It should be okay as there are a lot of freedom loving gun owners around this country. Have a great day. :)

Yes, the ones way up have been around for awhile now.

Maybe the government could get a flying toilet seat for about $6,000.

You are correct in so many areas...I hope you are referring to Civilians with little Education? Because today's active duty military rarely has ANY non-High School Graduates and if you want to get promoted you have to attend School and even take required College Classes..No longer is the Military a bastion of young, ignorant, ner-do-wells,,Those people are now found primarily in the Demoncrat Controlled Socialist City States like New York, Chicago, Detroit, Los Angeles, Birmingham, Atlanta, Miami an Seattle and make the the larges Voter sect and are easily bought via freebies and Welfare or are receiving some kind of Government Benefit...Also the Police have been recruiting former Military for over 30 years, their better educated, easier to train and actually are less likely to submit to bribery and or to be coheresed into illegal acts like their Political bosses. If you look at the larger cities with large numbers of non-military Police Officers most have Degrees in Criminal Justice which is almost a requirement these days. But the lower the education and mostly former High School Sport's hero's are generally behind the higher number of incidents your refer to....I'd like to know where you got your Statistic's you are quoting so I can share them with others and have some authority to support them.. Yes, I worked with Law Enforcement for 25 years, but I was not a Cop and I personally saw a lot of the actions you are saying...Also you must realize that the Office of Homeland Security is working very hard to create a NATIONAL POLICE FORCE right under your nose...sort of like the SS or the KGB...

Like any organization, there are good and bad people in it. Why do people speed though cities at over 100mph tring to elude the police? Look at Chacago, it has more gun laws then justabout every other city, and has more gun crimes, because the honest citizen is prevented from having a gun, and the criminal, gets to. The best deturent aganist the government is an armed citizen. Criminals are usually out of jail before the officer has finished his paper work. Then you have issues like Roney King. The police did wrong by beating him, but he still did a crime. The officers rightly got sentanced, but King got off. The key is go get good people in and get the bad ones out.

blah blah blah

gofins,

Truly intelligent response.

"911 was just a diversion"

Crazy lady say what?

gofins doesn't have to worry about the government surveilling him. He doesn't have a thought worth examining.

The 3 slogans of the Inner Party:

War is Peace

Freedom is Slavery

Ignorance is Strength

Don't forget the fourth:

God is power.

theyll be the judge of that.

I'm not fine with any of it. Give hem an inch and they take a mile. Once you give up a freedom---you NEVER get it back. Shoot these things out of the sky...it's your duty as an American.

@ Mazuti

Over 350 officers die every year protecting your dumb ass. You want their job?

Sad statistic. Also a very bad statistic to use to justify the use of drones unless you can somehow demonstrate these officers died as a result of NOT HAVING drones. I don't think you can do this, so what is the point of using this statistic to justify the use of drones.

Post Hoc, ergo Propter Hoc. Maybe you should not be calling others "dumb ass". Glass houses and all.

The anti-gun people are always saying, that civilians do not require military weapons.

So should we also say, that civilian authorities do not require military surveillance vehicles (drones).

gofins, because the ones using the drones make the rules

DRONE USEAGE RULES INSIDE THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:

1) Each drone flight shall be recorded and logged, for review by the Independent Grand Jury.

2) All Govt drone pilots shall be licensed and subject to imprisonment for 20 years for drone abuse.

3) Unlicensed Govt use of a drone, is punished by 50 years imprisonment. Including those funding, purchasing, operating, or authorizing illicit use.

4) Any violation of the Constitution with a drone is drone use abuse.

Anybody have additional rules to add?

so a few cameras in your house to "protect" you is ok? hey, someone might break in and rob and rape you.sounds good doesnt it?

That's only part of it. Having lived a few years in the Emerald City, I think the residents don't want to be seen in their bedrooms playing hide the salami and wearing their strap on dildos.

They gonna smoke their weed no matter what.

Good on them for telling the PO lease to ground the mini drones!

My favorite Seattle event is the Dykes on Bikes, where naked lesbians ride their Harley's down Capital Hill every spring.

What a stupid post.

Are you a Dyke on a Bike Babe?

Stupid broad!