After reading this news, you can see the leazy, low life people the LAPD has recruited as policemen. Is it any wonder the LAPD is among the most corrupt police departments in USA?

I hope that that was sarcasm textrish. The one marriage lasted all of 19 days. Sometimes you don't really know somebody at all until you live with them. She is lucky she found out after just a very short period of time.

@bow2me, what is different about the "new format" for newsvine? I don't notice a difference, but then I have only been on here maybe twice or so since October.

@wallstrett... He was also a member of the US Navy, so I guess that makes them corrupt too huh? I am not defending the LAPD, but to trash the whole department because of this obviously unstable, mentally ill person is just wrong.

bow2me,

Change is inevitable...

I don't like the changes either, but I'm getting use to it. I wish my conversation tracker would work!

For now, you can still see your friends list by clicking on your account settings, and then Newsvine, then click on friends. I don't know how long the list will be there though.

Jack-thank you for being a friend. I am off to exercise my Second Amendment rights today, gun show in S.F.S.D. Have a great day.

Sounds like Dorner was a victim of workplace mobbing and gang stalking and he just snapped. I feel sorry for him and the people who are his targets.

textrish: That would be, "I feel badLY for this guy". The word "bad" is an adjective. For example, One bad apple spoils the whole bunch. In the sentence "apple" is a noun. Adjectives modify nouns. Adverbs modify verbs. In your sentence, the word "feel" is an verb, so you need an adverb to modify the word "feel". Adverbs normally end in "ly". So, you should have said, "I feel badly for this guy". Yes, he is a BAD man, and I know that you feel BADLY for him.

Good morning jack, stonepipe, bow2me...

Whether this man's complaints were valid or not, considering that at the time he still worked for LAPD, his supervisor was extremely remiss in not referring him for counselling.

It would be interesting to know about his Navy evaluation and whether he got along with personnel there. That would be a better measure of whether or not his assertions against the LAPD hold any merit or whether, sadly, this is another case of mental illness dismissed as bothersome and kicked to the curb.

@leroy brown:

You conservatives are so afraid of anything new

Are you capable of making a comment without resorting to personal attacks? Is it just beyond you?

"Fear" has nothing to do with it. Many of us just don't like the beta format, just as many of us still don't like this comment format and still prefer the one that highlights the posts in blue blocks.

At least, the color was blue on my computer. We still get a few articles that show the comment section that way.

well here goes the guy is innocent until proven guilt we are not a hang them high country and this story reminds me to much of a movie he is being hunted suddenly a guy who served his country city and never did anything wrong is guilty of murder and murder of a cop and we all want to find him and kill him amazing we are going on no evidence strictly what people are telling us knowing full good and well the media of late is full of only prapaganda we say we do not trust them then we believe them on this guy wow think about this he is the second navy seal snipper to be either killed or hunted in a week!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Commenting that consevatives are afraid of anything new is probably the nicest thing I have ever said about them, Screamin. If you want to accuse me of personal attacks, you can find many of my posts that are far more worthy of this criticism!

He wasn't a Navy Seal or a sniper. He was apparently a intellence analyst with a marksman rating which doesn't make him a sniper.

becky-5832201

Really? Innocent until proved guilty...I think he proved he was guilty when he shot and killed those people. Let's not even talk about the manifesto. The presumption of innocents only works if your able to get them to court and does not apply while they are actively on a killing spree. This is not a movie it's real.

We should be addressing the mental health of our military. There is an ever increasing number of suicides among them and mental health issues. That is more the reality of the situation.

textrish

I feel bad for this guy. Why were these women willing to marry him if they thought he was a danger? Sounds like they were dangerous to him.

How many people did these women he was involved with kill? Have any of them gone on a rampage?
What is the common denominator in all these relationships?

I don't know if you're a man or a woman, but if you're a man you might want to take a look at your attitude...and if you're a woman, you're a danger to yourself.

Becky, you offer an interesting perspective that few are willing to consider. This guy has snapped and has become very dangerous and needs to be stopped - stopped, not executed. Clearly, given that the cops fired a barrage of bullets into a truck bearing little, if any, resemblance to this guy's truck; without warning, without knowing who was in the truck - the intention is to kill this guy, not to capture him. Why? What does the LAPD not want him to be able to say?

Then the MSM joins in on the attempt to paint this guy as a loon. Their evidence, a failed marriage and court actions to try and stop what sound like women who are probably just as off as Dorner. One disparages his name on a website and the other tried to hack his bank account. Why is that evidence of Dorner's problems and not problems with these women?

I think ultimately the evidence would prove that his termination from the LAPD was justified and he couldn't deal with it. Sounds like he probably has narcissistic personality disorder and has been difficult to work with his entire life. His ego could not handle the treat to its integrity that comes with failure and he snapped. That doesn't mean that he wasn't unjustly targeted by the LAPD for termination, just as they have now clearly targeted him for execution. If they kill him, the media and LAPD will be able to spin his life however they choose and present him as just one more lunatic, justifying the cause du jour, gun control. If he lives, he might actually be able to present his story in court and we can't have that happen, now can we.

So what will they do when they find him? Immediately kill him because he is mentally ill? Immediately kill him because there are possible mitigating factors already in the Court that he may be mentally ill? Immediately kill him because he is "alleged" to be a BAD guy? Immediately kill him because a Male couldn't possibly be mistreated by a Female? Immediately kill him because he shouldn't have any resentment or feelings of needing revenge for what he was perceiving was being done to him? OR, Immediately kill him because they've got a great story that they didn't know that he was dangerous and threatening and felt threatened and feared for their own safety and life when they finally found him? Because it would be TOO EXPENSIVE to try and properly (JUDICIALLY) deal with the situation? OR IS ALL OF THE ABOVE JUST HOW THE "GOOD GUYS" ARE ACROSS-THE-BOARD TRAINED TO HANDLE IT?????

Morning, Steve.

Wow! One for the books, we're on the same page for the second time in a week. I agree, we need to be looking at the mental health of our military.

I'd really like to know if this man got along with those he served with in the Navy, and if it was the LAPD where he started to come apart, fueled by what he perceived as a corrupt system. Sometimes, people who are so rigid in their ideas of right and wrong can't accept that life is a compromise because you are dealing with humans who are not perfect.

joemike404

given that the cops fired a barrage of bullets into a truck bearing little, if any, resemblance to this guy's truck; without warning

The facts are that the truck was being driven at dark with no headlights on, when ordered to stop it did not stop.

If you look at the two wounded they are of Asian decent, and thus a language barrier. It was unfortunate they they where shot at but if your going to drive around in the US you might want to make sure you understand some English.

As far as this mans relationships it doesn't surprise me that he has had many that didn't work out. He has had some form of mental illness for a time, and these women saw that.

Unfortunately we can not force people into treatment for PTSD or other mental illnesses. If they are an adult they have to seek out treatment on their own, or be court committed.

leroy brown

Commenting that consevatives are afraid of anything new is probably the nicest thing I have ever said about them, Screamin.

Sadly, that's true, leroy. I guess we'll have to leave it at that. Have a nice weekend. Stay safe, hope you are not in the fury of New England.

screminmimi

LOL morning

Like I said we may not always agree, but that's what makes this a true democracy.

Some of the info coming out of here in So. Cali. is that he had problems in the service with others. Took his job way to serious, some people say he got the recognitions because of that, while others are saying the opposite and that he was harsh with people of his same rank as thou he out ranked them.

Steve, everything I've read indicates that the LAPD has made no public statements about the shooting other than the Chief acknowledging that it was a case of "mistaken" identity, so from where is your information that they were ordered to stop. The women claim that there was NO warning, just shooting and the LAPD has not disputed this account. The women are in fact Hispanic, not Asian (Hernandez and Carranza).

Language barrier or not, can the police not tell the difference between a Toyota and a Nissan? Wait. Blue. Truck. Must be killer. Shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot...

Geez, apologize for the corrupt LAPD much? Just by trying to cover for such an evil organization you automatically invalidate anything you have to say. Is your wife a cop?

The corruption in major metro police departments is increasing dramatically. The police have the attitude, it's us against them. 'Them' meaning every person except police dept. personnel. In short they are so jaded and cynical they very often do not make professional decisions logically or objectively. Money is often a big influence on who gets arrested and who walks. Let me close with this FACTUAL statement. I have directly heard a retired policeman bragging about shooting, and killing, two black suspects without any warning whatsoever! He seemed to enjoy telling the story. Sad, very sad, and very dangerous to society.

joemike404

I live in So. Cali. It's been on every local news net since it started. I have also watched the national news.

What I heard out of KTLA and NBC, CBS, CNN was the information I made my statement on. The victims claim they did not hear the order to stop. Witnesses in the area reported hearing the officers yell stop several times via bull horn and then the gun fire.

The LAPD is not allowed to make comments on this because it is under internal review.

Is Newsvine freezing up on you too?

damn it. I went back and looked at my post.

joemike404

my post 1.25 should have read " If you look at the reports the two wounded where Asian and then stated by LAPD later that they are Hispanic.....

Thank you for pointing that out. I need to be careful this morning.

The cops hunting for this madman know they are #1 in his crosshairs. Yet they MUST, since it is their job, be out there fully exposed, knowing they are his targets, hunting for this killer. who knows police tactics, and procedures, which prevents the cops from deploying their tactics that would put the element of surprise in play before his mission of carnage extends any farther. This guy is mentally off the charts, with an arsenal, a manifesto to destroy, kill all cops, and anyone else who happens to cross his path. Yet some of you sit safely behind your keyboards and criticize, bash, the very people charged with getting this person off the streets, render him harmless. These cops have families, lives they deserve to live. If they are jumpy, who wouldn't be? The madman killed a young girl and her fiance just because she was the daughter of a former police chief.This is a massive delimma for the law enforcement, in that they must find this madman, knowing his main targets are they themselves....police officers. So, how about all you armchair Rambo's, experts, pin on a badge, just so he knows you're a law enforcement expert, and go show the rest of the LAPD how it's done. Just march right up to where he might be and take him down...BEFORE he takes you down. And don't you DARE be nervous, jumpy, frightened, or care if you live or die. Oh, and if you happen to encounter a similar vehicle as the killer's with the headlights turned off, and it doesn't stop when ordered. pfft Nothing suspicious about that. You just strut up to the vehicle with your bare face hanging out and wait to see if your head gets blow off. They'll notify your next of kin. If the people in that truck are SO STUPID as to be uncooperative, having to KNOW what is going on in the entire area, even though they may not deserve to get shot at, should at LEAST know WHY, and the blame is on them not the cops. Now, get out there and relaxxxxx...pay no attention to that red dot dancing around on your forehead.

I've been having a hard time making sense of this story from the start. I haven't read every new version so I may have missed things.

It seems this whole issue started because of a dismissal from duty because of a false report or something like it being given to his superior. I'd never seen anything about what the report was about. In this article there is passing mention of Dorner being fired for reporting another officer for 'brutality'. An investigation later said those allegations were false.

I wonder if this is a case of someone doing the right thing, sticking to his story about it and being railroaded because of it? I personally know that paper lays still and people can write anything they want on it and sometimes paper has a way of changing the words written it......tricky stuff....that paper. But, I would like to know more about this guys military record and interactions with his friends. I'd like to know where the real beginning of this story is.

The headline attempts to cause us to believe that he stalked three women or harmed them in some way. Then I read the article and find that he was the one who filed for an order of protection on two occasions. And yes, divorce is technically a "legal action". But nowhere in the article did I read anything that says this guy did bad things to women in these relationships. Which is exactly what the writer of this crap would like us to think. He is definitely "odd" - but I've never met a cop who wasn't.

What amazes me is how many are defending this man's actions and claiming that others are responsible for what he is doing. No. He is responsible for his actions.

All the facts are not known here, but it is such fun to leap to conclusions, particularly when one has a bias. Well, the facts we know include that this man expressed his intent to hunt and kill innocent people. It appears he killed the daughter, and her fiance, of the man who was his defense counsel in his hearing; two absolutely innocent people by any standard. Followed by the killing of a police officer stopped at a red light, not someone on his list of alleged detractors. He claims he is targeting the children of people he has a grudge against. Only Dorner is responsible for this reprehensible, murderous conduct, not those individuals who, actually or perceived, cost him his employment in 2008.

No one can perform an armchair diagnosis here, but reading his original manifesto, there are strong signs of narcissistic and paranoid tendencies. Additionally, he has a string of broken relationships, where the other participants allude to his mental state. He begins hunting down and killing innocents and then claims it arises from a five-year old conflict. Circumstantially, in overwhelming fashion, these point to a highly mentally unstable individual who is an absolute and immediate danger to others.

As for his manifesto, so many claim to have read it and, as a result, feel his claims must be true. Really? I read it in great detail and there was much in there that was disturbing and actually gave cause to doubt his allegations. I have no doubt there may have been a few grains of truth in it, but they were conflated beyond reality.

This man is most likely a cold-blooded killer. I say "most likely" because he has not yet been tried and convicted. He needs to be stopped, post haste. As he inferred in his manifesto, he intends to pursue this bloody mayhem until he is dead. I would prefer he be captured and tried, but he wouldn't be the first to effect a strategy of suicide by cop when faced with capture.

The innocents shot by law enforcement in this pursuit are tragic and I am grateful that they were not killed. However, that horrible event in no way alleviates Dorner's responsibility here. If and when that event is not handled appropriately, there will be time and occasion for public outcry and demand.

A predatory killer is loose, well-armed, and admittedly going to hunt down innocents and murder them in some sort of twisted revenge five years after the fact because he feels everyone is against him. That is not lucid. It's a tragedy that he did not get psychiatric help years ago, when it is apparent that his mental health was deteriorating, but at this point, he just needs to be stopped.

Three of hunted ex-cop's relationships ended with legal action

So now LAPD is in FULL destroy mode. They'll tell you everything negative about him without raising anything he's done that could prove positive. Actually, I'm beginning to believe LAPD has a NEED to put him down, keep him quiet.

I want to know about the 6 cops who shot the two women, how they unleashed a barrage of bullets without identifying themselves, as the ladies have already told their lawyers. I want to know why these six are on PAID administrative leave.

A mother and daughter who were mistakenly shot by Los Angeles police hunting for rampage suspect Christopher Dorner had no warning before bullets started whizzing through their newspaper-delivery truck, their lawyer said Friday.

"No command, no instruction, no warning. They just opened fire on them," said Glen Jonas, who is representing Emma Hernandez, 71, and Margie Carranza, 47, in possible legal action against the Los Angeles Police Department.

"They had no idea what was going on. They're huddling, covering up and praying and hoping they're not going to die."

Chief Charlie Beck said the officers saw a vehicle that matched the description of Dorner's, Jonas said the women's blue Toyota Tacoma looked nothing like Dorner's dark-gray Nissan Titan, but that even if it had been a match, the police should not have fired on it.

A 71 year old Hispanic WOMAN, and six cops thought they were Dorner, and opened fire on them. Pathetic!!

No way does that BLUE color Toyota Tacoma looks like a dark-gray Nissan Titan....No-WAY!!

It's in these high-stress situations where you follow your training and they violated every piece of training they ever received."

Exactly, all they wanted to do was kill him, point blank. All of them should be fired, but hey, I'm sure the chief does not have the balls to do that.

Steve - thanks for the additional information. Sometimes its helpful to have people posting from closer to the events.

The best coverage I've heard or read about this story is at latimes.com. The information is consistent, follows a time line and gives a lot more background information about his time with LAPD. Sadly, this site is the worst.

I agree; latimes.com has much better coverage.

Steve-3564331, #1.31- Any way you slice and dice it, the details don't matter because The Good Guys with Guns don't get to shoot at, never mind ACTUALLY SHOOT ANYONE, on just a suspicion like that, No? (How come They don't know that?) AND, if the Good Guys with Guns don't know that, then does that mean that the Bad Guys with Guns don't know that, either?

Is there anything the Good Guys with Guns know that the Bad Guys with Guns don't? Apparently not. Using Deadly Force on an unwarranted "suspicion"? (and as first resort, too!)

Some Journalist out there should use the Freedom of Information Act to find out and let the Public, specifically, know how and what these Good Guys with Guns are being trained to think and do. (Like Deadly Force as first resort and Deadly Force on unwarranted suspicions and Deadly Force for not "Stopping on COMMAND", etc). Where are they getting these such notions that they're converting to actions from? Incredulous!

In reading his manifesto, it's apparent that he has trouble dealing with anyone who challenges him. He was citing episodes as far back as elementary school, complete with names, so he obviously feels (maybe rightly so in some cases) that he has been wronged his entire life. Yup, I wonder how much of the LAPD accusations are true, but he mentioned a couple of instances where he reported a fellow officer, and one when he jumped across car seats and wrapped his hands around someone's neck.

So even if he's justified in his accusations, he obviously can't deal with his anger, and he snapped. But I don't doubt that there's some truth in what he says at the heart of this.

Maybe so, but people are usually attracted to a certain type of person. Sounds like all three women were the same type.

I know, I married two men that were similar types...the third times a charm, went with a different type.

Third time around and we're at 23 years. :)

first time around at 40 years some people know how to pick em not to say we havent had our problems but we do have A MAGICAL WORD IN OUR HOME CALLED COMPROMISE

"He was fired from the LAPD in 2008, after reporting another officer for alleged brutality – an accusation that investigators later said was false." United States of Israel Zio-Nazi pigs never ever abuse anybody and if anybody accuses a smelly pig of beating there head into the ground, it is the person's own fault who is getting arrested for resisting arrest. The judges are just there to make money and support the cops side. All cops are perfect so this Dorner guy will be given retirement in another country and we will never hear about it again. Cops and judges are just a gang of criminals sanctioned by themselves to rape an pillage the people of Amerika.

AntiNSA

Hi and Good Morning - Another NBC article had these answers

no mention/questions about the following:

1)This mans rank in the military - O-3 in US Navy = Lieutant

2)This mans job in the military - Some type of Intelligence Analyst

3)This mans military history - Operation Enduring Freedom in Iraq, was in USN Reserve and activated for 1 year Active Duty with a TS/SCI - Top Secret security clearance

The other questions are only "barely" reported with no factual background in this article by NBC.

his military pix shows captains bars which is 03 rank

Hi gordon, it does look like captains bars but the Navy and Coast Guard rank structure is different from the other branches. He was a lieutenant.

If this wasn't so serious, it would remind me of the "Jason Bourne" series, completely set-up, to be taken down.

Army Captain = O-3

Navy Lieutenant = O-3

Navy ship commander = "Captain of that ship" even though they could be an ensign, lieutenant, Lt. commander.

AntiNSA...READ his manifesto, I have. Many of your questions will be answered. The girl who was murdered was the daughter of a retired LAPD captain, not a chief. After his retirement Captain Quan obtained a law degree, became a lawyer, and defended MANY officers before board of rights hearings. Captain Quan defended Christopher Dorner before the LAPD board of rights hearing, and his subsequent hearings. Captain Quan's sole "sin" to Dorner is that he lost the case. (This is in the manifesto).

He admits to shooting and killing both Monica Quan and Keith Lawrence in his manifesto.

Though Dorner claims he was dismissed from the LAPD for filing a false report, he fails to point out that there were other violations brought up during the board of rights hearing. Charges like he attempted to choke a fellow officer to death, (then Dorner went on to state that what he should have done was put a "Winchester Ranger SXT 9mm 147 grain bullet into his and officer xxxxx's skull") it took several officers to get Dorner off the officer he was choking. (He clearly states this in his manifesto).

There are other incidents of anti-social behavior through out his life, as he points out in his manifesto, starting fights because he didn't like something someone said, the way someone looked at him, a perceived injustice toward him or another person...all pointed out in his manifesto.

He has a grudge against Hispanic, Asian, Black, White, Gay/Lesbian and Female officers (basically all anyone has to do is wear the uniform), not to mention any civilian who attempts to assist or render medical aid to an injured officer....these are all "high value targets" according to his manifesto.

Why attempt to obtain "justice" by killing persons NOT involved with his board of rights hearing? Because in his sick and twisted mind, everyone is out to get him.

Where are the police reports filed on the "attempted hacking of his credit union account"? Are the police authorities in Nevada also involved in some grand cover-up to smear Dorner? I ask this, because the alleged attempted hacking took place in Nevada.

From reading Dorner's manifesto, you can clearly see there is a pattern of long simmering anger in this man, some of his statements may or may not be true, but the pattern of strong anti-social behavior is there.

Again, read the entire manifesto, and see for yourself, this is clearly an unstable individual who is heavily armed and has clearly stated that wives and children are also targets.

So, according to his manifesto, if a person is even so much as seen (by Dorner) talking to an officer, that person also becomes a "high value target".

In my opinion, this is not someone I want roaming the streets, and the sooner someone can place the "red dot" on his forehead and take the shot, the better.

How would that have affected Dorner?

or is that your equivalent to the billboards that used to say "DRINK MILK"?

The man appears insane and should not have the right to own guns. I do not know if the present or proposed laws would have stopped him from this but if we did have those laws and it stopped just one person from killing others it would be worth whatever bother it is to us law abiding citizens who own guns. What you get is a bunch of fools who dig their feet in the ground and yell the sky is falling and you end up with more repressive laws in the end than you bargained for. Sensible gun laws will nt harm any ones right to have guns that just the stampede mentality. Sensible gun laws. Restrictions on firearms period. They are not the same and anyone telling you they are has another motive.

breadex - He appears insane now, he very likely didn't before. That's why the US Navy and the LAPD hired him. Also, you cannot deny people's rights because they appear insane. You actually have to demonstrate that they are.

We will likely get those laws because our legislatures tend to do what is politically expedient whether or not it will actually work. The problem is that you cannot prove a negative. Not every one with a mental illness who owns a gun will engage in a mass shooting. So you won't be able to prove that passing these laws prevented anything. What we will likely know in short order is that passing these laws will not prevent a mass shooting from happening again. What will you advocate for then? An ever increasing spiral of "tougher" and "tougher" gun control laws every time someone gets shot?

@joemike

What will you advocate for then? An ever increasing spiral of "tougher" and "tougher" gun control laws every time someone gets shot?

Thats exactly what that foolish moron breadex will agitate for,when the new stuff dont work,more laws for the law abiding,till theres nothing left.

Thats why we dig in and say...no more.

joemike404

What we will likely know in short order is that passing these laws will not prevent a mass shooting from happening again. What will you advocate for then? An ever increasing spiral of "tougher" and "tougher" gun control laws every time someone gets shot?

You already know the answer to that question. "We don't care where you smoke. We only want warnings on cigarette packs, so that you know it's bad for you."

Maybe we could put a "black box" warning on ammunition.

Most likely one of those thousands of people taught and trained to post on the internet parpaganda statements that earmark the desires of our goverment

I know a guy who has had countless girlfriends and 5 wives and he claims that all the women were wack jobs. What are the odds on every woman you ever met being a whack job? What are the odds?

Birds of a feather, flock together....

Ben Franklin said "the company you keep will determine the troubles you meet".

Sorry...that costs money and it's just not feasible in today's mentality of budget creation. The hosers in Congress would much rather spend money on bombs and give gobs of cash away to azzholes like Isreal and Pakistan before using to protect our own people from rotting from within.

It's way to early to be drinking Troll Aid.

Screw you, 6dogs, Leave the Gun is right. And you're a brainless sheep.

JoeinMI-7454513

Screw you, 6dogs, Leave the Gun is right. And you're a brainless sheep.

Ahhh, name calling. The mark of a thoughtful, well reasoned and persuasive argument.

recruitment for police jobs has been watered down in the name of diversity. the standards have been lowered so agencies can reach way down on qualification lists and pick the "right" color and gender as opposed to getting the best

bob johnson-1135406 ..... Right color? Gender? Racist & sexist at the same time, huh, Bob? Fortunately for the American public your not vetting who should be walking around with guns & a big stick...

goes for politicians too

ant is probably another one got caught in a radar zone or driving under the influence and now wants to bash all cops because of a few bad apples

Ant-D.O.G. -

I totally agree! Go Chris Dorner!

No...but I did get two (2) teeth knocked out walking out of a grocery store in East Oakland (Ca.), by the drug task force (Jump Out), with a half-gallon of milk and a box of Apple Jacks in my possession. They lied and said I was trying to elude them by going into the store.

why were you trying to elude them?

What surprises me are the amount of people who stick with these legalized thugs no matter what. If you get a group of them together and there isn't a very strict and assertive leader directing them, most will be little more than a street gang trying to one-up the others about how stupid they can be. Shooting up a truck with women in it because it's blue? 41 bullets in an unarmed person? Peoples houses burned down because a wanted person goes into it? A gang of cops beating a man severely for trying to flee? Forget about 'the lessons' they taught so many people you'd have to have a volume the size of Encyclopedia Britannica to catalog them all.

Here's the problem....they send out people without supervision who should never be allowed to be out without supervision. Scraping the bottom of the barrel so to speak, and why exactly, should we expect the results to be anything other than what they are? It's apparent that the nepotism and good ole boy network isn't going to produce anything very much different. They let people make decisions about things that are potentially life and death without the necessary 'nerve' to make them. They panic at nothing and are 'justified' in all but the very worst offenses.

I once heard the definition of crazy was doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result.

This guy may be crazier than bat crap, but I wonder how he got that way? Sometimes trying to defend the indefensible makes people crazy. Add to that, trying to correct a wrong and being wronged yourself usually doesn't help matters much. I don't know if the guy is correct in his conclusions or not, but I've seen enough in my long life that he shouldn't be dismissed out of hand.

I guess it's no wonder that the DHS just added another billion or so rounds of ammo to their stockpile.

bob johnson-1135406 ...... I wasn't trying to elude them, didn't even know there was a 'police action' going on till I came out the store, was grabbed from behind (no warning whatsoever), and had my face slammed into the wall of the store.

You may be right but to get things done one does not have to kill people to bring something like this to view. I think the man has mental issues that may have been unnoticed in the begining and slowly evolved over a period of time. This is not the first time a seemingly saine person has snapped. what is puzzling to me is he snapped about something that happened 5 years earlier.

6dogs, hello...?!? This is about the corruption at the LAPD... Can't you get it through your rotten melon that the LAPD f***ed this man over royally. Now they're paying for it with their children's lives. Tragic, and the family members are innocent, but the cops deserve the grief of losing a loved one. They DESERVE it! And if you don't think they're covering up something huge at the LAPD you are more stupid than I originally thought. If more people started going after corrupt cops' families then corruption might just become less of a problem. As it is these pigs are operating with no checks on their power. That's unacceptable. So, of course someone would eventually get enough and take action, the way Chris Dorner is taking action. The LAPD brought this on themselves, and they deserve to lose a lot more cops before this is over.

Here,here....

Joe, while I agree there needs to be a full investigation into what he has claimed, I don't agree with the LAPD's family (children) need to be targets, that serves NO purpose. Those children are totally separate from their parents. I'm not saying I agree with what he's doing, because I don't, I do feel sorry for him that he felt/feels the need to take it so far, that whatever issue's he has/had he is obviously broken. Sadly, I don't think he'll be found alive and able to tell his side, I am almost positive he will be dead as soon as he's found, and not by his own hand.

typical crybaby minority who can't survive without blaming everyone else because he is a loser. he was only hired because he filled minority slot. real tough blackman shoots woman in a car. real hero

@Bob Jackwagon--how do you know he was hired to meet some "minority slot"? Verifiable links please. Plenty of people of ALL races that are losers. He hasn't killed anybody white and I bet that's what you're waiting on so you can fill this 'Vine with your racist shizznit.

A Voice of reason. Thanks Lynn

Lynn, good post. Two things though. Narcissistic and coward aren't necessarily connected and just because the police and the MSM say his manifesto is crap doesn't make that true either. I'm not suggesting everything in his manifesto is true. Doubtless there are distortions, misrepresentations and other errors, if not outright lies. But there is probably some kernal of truth to his story that may bear investigation. I am equally disturbed by the number of individuals willing to lap up the "truth" as told by the MSM and LAPD.

Lynn, if you listen to the News you would know that both have commented on his skills.

6dogs, you fool, if you listen to the "news" here in the US and believe it then you are a giant honking moron.

Lynn-398690...... His abilities must be pretty good so far; for those keeping score it's Dorner 4..LAPD 0 ... And they still haven't caught him yet.

Dorner has done what people do when injured. Strike back when wounded. He felt he was wronged and there was no recourse. Justice into his own hands kind of thing. Did he want a soapbox to get his message out? Obviously and it worked. That is why he is wanted dead rather than alive.

hard to shoot woman sitting in a car. typical crybaby minority who can't survive without government job and assistance

Power corrupts. Absolute Power corrupts Absolutely.

10,000 police. 10,000 chances for corruption. That's a lot of corruption.

@Bob Jackwagon..not hard to shoot two older women in a truck that didn't resemble this guys' vehicle either..

Yes, Lynn, thanks. BTW FBI profilers call this type a 'grievance collector' a guy who stores up everthing unfair he feels others did to him, getting angrier and worse all the time. Not unusual for people like this to take years to finally act out.

In the many years I worked in the criminal justice system the most rational, articulate, detailed conversations, letters and essays I encountered were from sociopaths. I have not read his entire manifesto but the sections I am aware of detail how other people have targeted, discriminated and hurt him. At no place does he appear to recognize a single thing he might have done to contribute to his situation, no understanding that life isn't perfect. It is entirely possible that the allegedly false report he made against another officer that resulted in his dismissal was in fact an attempt to "get back" at someone for some real or imagined slight. The manufacture of such a charge would be completely justified, in his mind, as means to right a perceived wrong and therefore not wrong or a lie in itself. If there is one thing sociopaths are committed to it is the concept of justice - as they see it. That kind of thinking is not rational, intelligent or insightful no matter how articulate and educated it sounds. Think of him as a 4 year old caught playing with matches and blaming everyone from his baby brother to his imaginary friend and when the grown ups don't buy the excuse, throws a temper tantrum. Unfortunately, he is an adult throwing a tantrum with access to a lot of fire power and no conscience.

@Anita -Interesting points and another plausible explanation for what may have precipitated this man's actions. Not sure the complete picture will ever be known.

What he wrote was what his mind perceived. Much on what most of these comments are. What people are perceiving and trying it interpit so they can understand it.

6dogs-

"Interpit"...really?!? And we're supposed to listen to what you have to say, when you lack the mental capacity to spell correctly? Go back to watching Fox News.

Bund, do you feel better after that rant?

Dorner was an intelligence analyst in the Naval Reserve. So that pretty much blows your whole nonsense up.

Seriously sounds like you need some couch time with a professional.

never mind all the innocent people the US kills with drones.

Do you have any idea how many innocent people were killed in aircraft bombing raids in the last 100 years or so? Try hundreds of thousands. While loss of any innocent life is bad, the use of drones keeps it to a minimum.

I take it from your comment you don't have a problem with terrorist groups and attacks on US citizens.

Eew...the rantings of a crazy person...

Paul, "the last hundred years," it was 1913 before WWI. In WWI over a Million men died in the trenches alone. The point of the article is we have ONE EX Police Officer/Highly Trained Military Personnell running rogue. Have you even checked out the size and the arms on this guy? Even unarmed and man vsman he will not be an easy take down.

Sounds like PTSD. This country has created countless killing machines called soldiers, sailors, marines, airmen, in the 10 years of war we have endured. Should not be surprised when they can't turn it off when they return home.

he has never been in combat. he did six month tour as a security guard on an oil rig in Baharim. his ptsd is from being profession crybaby and whining about how life has wronged him since he was in the womb.

I think you are way to far out in Left Field. One question is why did his own Father dismiss him from the force? If you are working for your father and doing a good job at learning and doing your job well he will not Dismiss you. This goes for anybody in any line of work that is in this job situation. Yes I personnally know of situations where a father let his son or daughter go or put them some place where they could do no harm to the business.

Read the LA Times coverage from day one; Dorner's story was refuted by three eyewitnesses. He filed his complaint weeks after the incident - after he got a poor performance review. There are examples of his poor judgment, improper tactics and failure to follow instructions. He knew he was going to be fired, but created the reason for his own dismissal....perversely.

Partisan hack.

Mr Harley, You been nipping the Troll Aid way to early today. Obama Care can help you with that Addiction.

this guy was registered democrat but being black he gets a pass from the liberals

Though a liberal, I don't believe in hiring quotas either, candidates should be chosen on merit alone. I do think that there needs to be some sort of check to insure that minorities are given a fair shot, however.

leroy, there is the rub. How do you insure minorities get a fair shake without giving them special treatment? If everyone takes the same test and for example you select a minority over a white canidate who has better scores, how is that getting the best person for the job? What can you possibly do to help the minority without making the whole process a sham?

Leroy, hiring on the basis of race is wrong, no matter who is hired. It's about the double standard. If a group of candidates has more capable white people than capable black folks, or vice versa, then so be it. Promote and hire based on the individual's merits, not some made-up set of unfair rules concerning race. Affirmative action hires have become less and less acceptable as time goes on.

It may be easier said than done, Paul, but it certainly isn't impossible. Careful screening of those in charge of rating the cadets' performances to insure no biases comes to mind just off the top of my head, but your defeatist attitude is unwarranted. If we can put a man on the moon, surely we are capable of running a fair contest. Now another thought comes to mind, NFL referees. These guys judge people fairly without racial bias all the time.

Paul, has anybody ever done an expariment where people did a test and submitted a resume using only their name. Have the information reviewed by a person to pick those he would be hired based on what he is given and have him make a selection of the ones he would want to interview, not knowing the persons he selected race or background.

Actually Leroy,they blow calls all the time.
But you are correct that racial bias has nothing to do with it.

ugly, the only thing you could base your belief that he was being black balled is his manifesto. You are honestly going to take the word of someone who is going around killing innocent people that had nothing to do with his perceived idea that he was wronged? I have to say that's interesting.

The article didn't say if he didn't or did get the the protective order on the female officer that tried to hack his account.

I don't think anyone has to try to make him look crazy. He's doing a fine job of it all by himself.

google sbx211 find his black baller

Scott, okay I read it. What does that legislative bill have to do with Dorner?

Paul,

Making him look crazy came before his set of recent events. Follow the actions that led up to his manifesto. The LAPD firing and him making the allegations against the officer came before his shooting spree. All of these actions and the articles that have stated that these events happened to him before his manifesto is why I have the belief. I am making my judgements base upon the report just like you are making your from the same information. The article said "he filed a petition to get a protective order against the officer". If he was granted the order I think it would have stated he received the order and not mention the petition.

Why would I not believe he was wronged in his past? His current actions are because he was wronged. Once again I am not condoning his actions but I can believe his story about the LAPD. I am merely forming my opinion as you are forming yours from what is being reported.

Ugly, Manifesto? A Manifesto is a plan to take over an area of a country or part of the world. This country had a Manifesto to couquer all the way west. The Japanonese had a Manifesto to conquer Asia.

6dogs, you are right. I only used the word because Paul used it in his reply to my comment. I assumed it is a typo by Paul.

"Look at the media trying to smear this hero". Wow, NWOstooge. Your sense of right and wrong is really skewed. Also, your paranoia is getting out of control. Might be a good idea to get that under control. I am writing that sincerely.

This man is killing police and their families. Their kids did nothing to him. This guy is way out of control. His own paranoia is out of control.

There isn't an adult alive who hasn't been maligned at work and/or in their personal lives. Unjust treatment happens to everyone. Does that give us the right to kill people? No! Does that give us the right to seek revenge? No! Move on - make changes in your life - better your situation. Find work with people with similar values, etc. Obviously, the LAPD is not where Dorner fit.

If not mental illness, this man suffers possibly from a personality disorder, which is just as serious. My bet would be narcissism. Narcissistic people think they are better than others. They cannot accept criticism and they cannot accept life's difficulties. Their life must be perfect. They think they deserve "special and exceptional treatment".

This man is not a hero, by any stretch of the imagination. This man has harmed many people. His family has attempted to help him get himself under control. This man is not controllable, in the normal sense of the kind of control we all must accept in life. Narcissism is a child's frame of mind whereby everything must be easy and praise must be given - whether warranted or not.

You need some growth in your own life NWOstooge. Your perception of how life is needs some adjustment.

No one is happy about what happened to those two women. No doubt the officer or officers involved are under some very tight scrutiny right now. But, because you have a child-like black and white view of the world, you cannot look at their side - where they feel terror and fear with this guy terrorizing the police and their families. You see the police as some all encompassing "parent" who should never be allowed to do any wrong. They are human beings. They are fallible, and they make mistakes. They are human beings.

If you didn't have such a black and white view of life, you would consider the fact that these two women were driving in a truck, at night, with no lights on. That would look suspicious to me without a manhunt going on. Not right that they were shot, of course. But, some understanding of human beings in an intense and frightened state? Yes!

I wish you well. I wish you growth.

AllPeopleRights -

You are wrong, I completely agree with NWOstooge. Stop being a bully.

NWO, you fail to recognize who your (real) enemies are Boehner, Norquist, Koch Bros. A rogue ex-police officer is not much of an enamy (as I know an enamy to be). Now put down the Troll aid, it to early.

shooting at anything that looks like an ape?

@AllPeopleRights

There are several issues with what you said. First of all, you're dismissing his reasons because of his actions. That is a logical error.

With regard to believing his reasons you have to think "what would make someone do this"? The description he gives of his reasons are a believable arc of how a man might come to the point of killing. In fact we have many movies in our culture with that exact plot.

Now, his reasons are his perception, so the next question is about his perception. Either his perception is true, or he is paranoid (in the mentally ill sense). I've known three technically paranoid people and the weird thing about them is they are very intelligent, can function almost normally (one I know is an engineering coworker), but at the same time think that that the CIA is poisoning their food.

However, his allegations are very congruent with what is actually likely. I'm pretty certain that LAPD joke about minorities, get in extra kicks when arresting someone, and view civilians as "perps" and "vics" as described in this guy's explanation.

Regarding the shooting of the daughter, the problem is that she profited in her life from her father. Her education, wedding presents, status in society were all built from his alleged corruption. I'm describing how this guy would connect it in his mind -- she wasn't innocent to him. And frankly if you have an enemy, it is hard for anyone to absolve his close family from the same category -- like the wife of that Ponzi scheme guy, it is hard to feel sorry for her even if she didn't know what he was up to. In other words, humans like to categorize "us" and "them" and it is very natural to put the family of your enemy into the "them" category. This is why the average American generally accepts all the civilian deaths in drone strikes, you can really hear people say "well, if they were in that village they probably were also bad guys too".

Anyway, my point is that this guy's reasoning is logical and natural within his paranoid mental state.

The bigger story, and part of NWO's point, is that a mentally ill person killing people isn't newsworthy. What is newsworthy is LAPD consciously abusing power, and incompetently endangering citizens. This has a real effect on our society. The cops shooting at those two women should be the biggest story on the West Coast. The news somehow isn't talking enough about that, and that is what NWO is saying.

A mentally ill man isn't evil, and is a random danger. A person or whole organization abusing power is, and is one of the biggest dangers to our way of life.

Scary where some peoples minds are today to in any way shape or form justify what this mad man is doing. I'm not saying that he wasn't wronged but surely over the years his mind has broken down to where he is now delusional and deadly.

scott I am all for that and I will do it.

Schott you are saying they are not guilty if they commit such things and that is not right. This bill would provide that no governmental entity, or officer or employee of a governmental entity, shall incur any liability or be subject to prosecution or disciplinary action because of benefits provided to a judge under the official action of a governmental entity prior to the effective date of this bill on the ground that those benefits were not authorized under law.

Well I drove a Tractor tralier truck in and out of Ca alot over the years and was only stopped by CHIPS one time over something small and the officer and I got it cleared up as to what happened that he didn't see, and after a complementary walk around of my trk he sent me on my way with no charges or warnings. No I don't believe all cops are bad. They like me are only human.

6dogs, I know what truck is but what is a "trk"? You correct a typo made by others and you commit the same error in your post.

Buffgun I agree I grew up in San Pedro, CA, the home of the harbor division and believe me, its not what you think, infact they don't have a Harbor division anymore. The cops working there are not home grown and they should be. But that place is now the home of the retired cops and I really don't like that, they bring problems to the once beautyfull place it was, I mean right now you can't find a descent apartment to leave in. They have knock down complex just for the idea of making money and they still have problems. drugs dealers, cocaine addicts, alcoholics, murderers, you name it. It was not like that when I was growing up. traffic there is getting real bad and the teachers, well no comment on that. they have problems in jr high and high school, I mean they have drug dealers living accross the Jr. High and high school furnishing the drugs to the students and they have faculty working in the schools whom are drug users and sell it. My neighbor was one of those, that's how I found out. this guy its just getting revenge, but what they brought to the harbor is worse.

Go Me - Away! Therapy might help!